7 on 7 games

[RocklandDragon]

I'm not familiar with 7 on 7 games. How do these games work? Do they play on a short field? I would like to attend some matches whenever they play.

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[dragons08]

i think state for them, is out in your neck of hte woods..maybe its college staion..i cant remember

[drgnbkr]

They play on a shortened field...there is another thread on down the page that lists the local tournaments all over the state..

[dragons08]

They play on a shortened field...there is another thread on down the page that lists the local tournaments all over the state..
is it similar to the 'flag football' setup (field wise) and rule wise?

[drgnbkr]

is it similar to the 'flag football' setup (field wise) and rule wise?

There is no rush and they have what? 5 seconds to get rid of the ball? Your down when touched...

[odessapermian.com]

I'm not familiar with 7 on 7 games. How do these games work? Do they play on a short field? I would like to attend some matches whenever they play.

:cool:


The field is 45 yards long. You have 3 downs to gain 15 yards for a 1st down, except inside the 15 yard line. Once inside the 15, you get 4 downs to score.

QB has 4 seconds to throw the ball. If he doesn't get it off in 4 seconds the play still continues, but once it is over the ball comes back to the original LOS and it is a loss of down.

No running plays, and all passes must be forward passes.

Defense isn't supposed to make any contact (no bump and run) although it happens anyway. Defense is responsible for avoiding contact.

Games are made up of two 20 minute halves. The clock runs continuosly, and the refs notify teams at the 10, 5, and 2 minute marks of each half.

There a lot of other rules but those are the basics. It is pretty intense and fun to watch.

[Drake]

Basic setup for 7 on 7:

A 7 on 7 field is 55 yards long including the end zone, therefore two games can be played simultaneously on one football field. The game is basically a touch football game (one hand anywhere) with 7 men on each side including an ineligible center on offense.

A game begins with the visiting team (white jerseys) on offense getting the ball at the 45 yd line and attempting to score at the nearest goal. There are first down lines at the 30 and 15 yard lines. The offense has 3 plays to cross either of these lines to gain a first down. Once the 15 yard line (last first down line) is crossed the offense gets 4 plays to cross the goal. If the defense stops the offense the teams turn around and the ball is replaced at the 45 yard line with the other team taking over.

There are two halves lasting 20 minutes each (running clock). Only forward passing is allowed. There is no kicking or punting. If a team scores a touchdown they can attempt to pass for one extra point from the three or they can try for two from the ten yard line. There is no blocking, tackling, screening, diving, or fumbles. Interceptions can be returned for TDs but if an interception is not returned for a touchdown the intercepting team must takeover at the 45 and go the full field to score… The quarterback cannot be rushed but only has 4 seconds to throw a pass once the ball is snapped. One rule that even the refs aren’t sure about is that even if a QB passes the ball after the 4 seconds have elapsed, the play is to continue and the play is only nullified if an offensive reception is made. This is so an interception is possible. Many times the refs will call a play dead as soon as 4 seconds are up, nullifying the defenses opportunity to steal the ball.

[Drake]

Odessa... You must have posted right when I started typing... Sorry for the redundancy...

[jtk1519]

OP.com pretty much covered it.

Rules
http://www.texasfootball.com/index.php?s=&url_channel_id=-1&url_subchannel_id=&url_article_id=180&change_well_id=2

Format
http://www.texasfootball.com/index.php?s=&url_channel_id=-1&url_subchannel_id=&url_article_id=181&change_well_id=2

History
http://www.texasfootball.com/index.php?s=&url_channel_id=-1&url_subchannel_id=&url_article_id=179&change_well_id=2

Schedule
http://www.texasfootball.com/index.php?s=&change_well_id=2&url_article_id=670

[a&mconsoltiger]

i think state for them, is out in your neck of hte woods..maybe its college staion..i cant remember

yes state is in college station

[RocklandDragon]

Cool. I notice a lot of high quality teams that play in these tournaments. Are these tournaments good for programs that need to grow? I would like to see Lubbock High participate in these games. They probably would be annihilated but it would be good to work on their passing game. Thanks for all the info, fellow members.

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[odessapermian.com]

Cool. I notice a lot of high quality teams that play in these tournaments. Are these tournaments good for programs that need to grow? I would like to see Lubbock High participate in these games. They probably would be annihilated but it would be good to work on their passing game. Thanks for all the info, fellow members.

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Lubbock High has been in the Frenship tournament the past 2 years.

[RocklandDragon]

Lubbock High has been in the Frenship tournament the past 2 years.

That's good. It's a step in the right direction. Thanks.

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[forest99]

hey strakedrake, are you completely sure about that 4 second rule, that it is supposed to be continued and only taken if the offense makes a reception??? can you please tell me where this rule is listed, officially.....thanks...

[Drake]

Once the ball is snapped, the QB has four seconds to "release" the ball (not to complete the pass)... that's the way it was last year anyway.

A previous post had a link to the rules... I'm sure it's stated there somewhere...

I've seen this rule applied differently and I think a mis-application of this rule seems to affect more games than any other rule... What the refs should do is start the stopwatch when the ball is snapped and then stop it when the ball is released. They should then watch the play and only check the watch for a 4 second violation AFTER the play. If a 4 second violation occurred they should bring the play back. I saw a lot of referees last year try and stop the play as soon as the clock hits four seconds.... The problem with that is (1) they are watching their stopwatch instead of the action, and (2) by stopping the play, they are taking away the possibility of a defensive interception, which would count even if the QB violated the 4 second rule.

[forest99]

Once the ball is snapped, the QB has four seconds to "release" the ball (not to complete the pass)... that's the way it was last year anyway.

A previous post had a link to the rules... I'm sure it's stated there somewhere...

I've seen this rule applied differently and I think a mis-application of this rule seems to affect more games than any other rule... What the refs should do is start the stopwatch when the ball is snapped and then stop it when the ball is released. They should then watch the play and only check the watch for a 4 second violation AFTER the play. If a 4 second violation occurred they should bring the play back. I saw a lot of referees last year try and stop the play as soon as the clock hits four seconds.... The problem with that is (1) they are watching their stopwatch instead of the action, and (2) by stopping the play, they are taking away the possibility of a defensive interception, which would count even if the QB violated the 4 second rule.
wow, if this is true then that is a big time rule that needs to be used!!! i have coached 7 on 7 the past two years, and made the state tournament both times...and ive NEVER heard or seen that rule being used....ill definately keep that in mind during this years sqt's!!! (of course only when it benefits me ill bring it up!!!, with the rulebook in hand!!!)

[drgnbkr]

Once the ball is snapped, the QB has four seconds to "release" the ball (not to complete the pass)... that's the way it was last year anyway.

A previous post had a link to the rules... I'm sure it's stated there somewhere...

I've seen this rule applied differently and I think a mis-application of this rule seems to affect more games than any other rule... What the refs should do is start the stopwatch when the ball is snapped and then stop it when the ball is released. They should then watch the play and only check the watch for a 4 second violation AFTER the play. If a 4 second violation occurred they should bring the play back. I saw a lot of referees last year try and stop the play as soon as the clock hits four seconds.... The problem with that is (1) they are watching their stopwatch instead of the action, and (2) by stopping the play, they are taking away the possibility of a defensive interception, which would count even if the QB violated the 4 second rule.

Some of the tourneys used a thing that beeped 4 seconds after the ball is snapped...

[forest99]

well, that was only in the first tournament, and it went so badly they decided against it for the rest of the year...which is good....human element is probably better...although i yell at the refs sometimes anyways!!!!

[Drake]

I've been to tournaments where some of the fields didn't even have a stopwatch... Refs were counting like basketball refs... I've also seen refs trying to watch their wrist watch and the QB at the same time which seems like it would be inconsistent at best... The rules posted on Dave Campbell’s website specifically say that a ref SHOULD NOT stop the play even if 4 seconds have elapsed. I did not see where it said that an interception is valid even if the pass is thrown after 4 seconds but this is the only logical reason for allowing the play to continue, so I think it has been more or less adapted as so…

Conroe, who do you coach?

[forest99]

i coach the conroe hs 7 on 7 team for the past two years, and doing it again this year.....we should be pretty good once again, i think a real shot at the championship....last season at state we lost all 3 games by 1 point each. vs lufkin we scored every single time we had the ball....we return 3 3 yr starters on def and 4 2 yr starters, and on offense we have 2 3 yr starter, 2 2 yr starters, then a few sophomores!!!! very young, but very talented too!!!! are you from strake jesuit???

[odessapermian.com]

I've been to tournaments where some of the fields didn't even have a stopwatch... Refs were counting like basketball refs... I've also seen refs trying to watch their wrist watch and the QB at the same time which seems like it would be inconsistent at best... The rules posted on Dave Campbell’s website specifically say that a ref SHOULD NOT stop the play even if 4 seconds have elapsed. I did not see where it said that an interception is valid even if the pass is thrown after 4 seconds but this is the only logical reason for allowing the play to continue, so I think it has been more or less adapted as so…

Conroe, who do you coach?

I'm pretty sure you're correct about the INT thing. That's why it's wise to just eat the ball if someone isn't open pretty quick.

[forest99]

WELL.....im going to put this question to rest....i will call coach dick olin (the man in charge of 7 on 7 football) and simply ask him!!!!!!

[Big Daddy Cool]

So obviously 7 on 7 benifits the passing teams a lot more than it does the running teams. So with that in mind why don't they have some kind of tournament that would allow the running teams to work on things in the offseason the way this does the passing teams?

[drgnbkr]

So obviously 7 on 7 benifits the passing teams a lot more than it does the running teams. So with that in mind why don't they have some kind of tournament that would allow the running teams to work on things in the offseason the way this does the passing teams?


Does anyone still run? I understand Clear Lake runs the option..don't most teams at least run a balanced offense?

[Drake]

So obviously 7 on 7 benifits the passing teams a lot more than it does the running teams. So with that in mind why don't they have some kind of tournament that would allow the running teams to work on things in the offseason the way this does the passing teams?I guess they could, but even running teams have to pass effectively sometimes so they can certainly benefit from 7 on 7 too...

[forest99]

ya, that would be so much fun!!!! 5 on 5 touch running football game...i can see everyone in line for this one!!!

[blueraiders11]

The problem with 7 on 7 is that its offensive minded and you can't practice defense to its fullest extent. Teams will run over the middle, something they would never do in real football. Defense is absent and its not physical at all. Of all teams, Arlington Lamar, a tight end power running team took the state championship last year. They had their worst season in years. Our first 7 on 7 tournament was our first ever to use our new plays against another team.. and we ended up tying Southlake in only our 2nd game. It's all a matter of who can make the most defensive stops.

[odessapermian.com]

Is it a coincidence that with the popularity of 7 on 7 in the summer, Texas has gone from being a running back factory to a quarterback factory? It was unheard of 7 or 8 years ago for Texas to produce the top QB talent in the nation. Not anymore.

[dragonsdaddy]

The problem with 7 on 7 is that its offensive minded and you can't practice defense to its fullest extent. Teams will run over the middle, something they would never do in real football. Defense is absent and its not physical at all. Of all teams, Arlington Lamar, a tight end power running team took the state championship last year. They had their worst season in years. Our first 7 on 7 tournament was our first ever to use our new plays against another team.. and we ended up tying Southlake in only our 2nd game. It's all a matter of who can make the most defensive stops.
i disagree. the db's can not practice their cover skills or reading qbs and routes on their own. the only way to practice cover skills is to go against wrs. there is no substitute. the teams that waste their time offensively won't succeed in the fall, and as long as the defense can keep their frustration to a minimum, they'll improve.

[odessapermian.com]

I haven't got the official word about tournaments yet, but a poster on our board said we are entered in tournaments at Weatherford, Abilene, and Frenship. The Weatherford SQT will be new to us.

[forest99]

well, i talked to coach olin (the man in charge of 7 on 7 football) and he told me that once the qb has held on to the ball after 4 seconds, the refs are supposed to let the play go, because theyre not staring at their timers, and no matter what the result of the play it does not stand. loss of down for the offense...no turnovers

[Drake]

well, i talked to coach olin (the man in charge of 7 on 7 football) and he told me that once the qb has held on to the ball after 4 seconds, the refs are supposed to let the play go, because theyre not staring at their timers, and no matter what the result of the play it does not stand. loss of down for the offense...no turnoversGood info... If Coach Olin is the authority, which he probably is in Texas, then they should be explicit about that in the rules... I've seen the rule applied differently (allowing an interception after a late release) many times in the couple years I've been watching 7 on 7...