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jtk1519
02-13-2006, 03:27 AM
I have to admit that I really didn't follow this story much but it has been all over the Tech boards as well as a few others. I thought the discussion here would be interesting.

For those that don't know, Jocques Crawford is a 3 star RB out of Memphis Tennessee that signed with Tech earlier this month. Leach has taken a ton of criticism for that signing because of Crawford's criminal past. Crawford was initially charged with felony aggravated **** of a 15 year old girl but negotiated a plea to the lesser misdemeanor assault charge to which he pled guilty and spend a few weeks in juvenile detention for.

Leach defended his signing with the "give the kid a second chance" line. Normally I would call BS on a coach using that line, but I tend to believe Leach here. If this kid was a huge 5 star prospect considered among the best in the nation, I would question Leach's motives, but this kid isn't those things. He's an average RB at best that doesn't really fit the Tech offense and he has obvious character issues. On top of that, all his grades suck and few expect him to actually get in to Tech. I guess all that is why I wonder why Leach even bothered in the first place.

Tech's Leach defends signing
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/colleges/texastech/stories/020706dnspotechlede.1a0d839.html

College coaches aren't tough on crime
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/colleges/texastech/stories/020806dnspoblackistonecol.5e62f6d.html

I don't really know which side of the fence I am on this issue. On one hand, I believe everybody deserves a second chance and I applaud Leach for taking the flak that comes along with extending that second chance. On the other hand, I don't know if I view giving a kid a full ride scholarship to a good program a "second chance" or a reward. Let's be honest, there are hundreds of thousands of high school football players in this country that have done nothing worse than look at their father's Playboy. A free ride is a very special thing offered to a very select few. Should such rewards be offered to those that have done little to earn it?

BTW, let's try to keep this thread clean and civil. We could start bashing Leach and then the Tech guys will start talking about Benson and his TV or aggy and all their arrests, but all that will accomplish is the locking of another thread. This has the potential for a very interesting philosophical debate.

CKE
02-13-2006, 03:41 AM
well i have mixed emotions. i do belive in a 2nd chance for anyone...........but i was an alright DB in high school and while i did get letters i never got a full ride offered to me and i never did anything that against the law...........well that i got caught for anyway. i would have to say no to this signing though. it looks to me like he got a full ride for being a bad kid not an all star football player. who knows maybe he will prove me wrong and do something good for tech though we will see

slorch
02-13-2006, 05:25 PM
Maybe he's taking the Red Raiders to the dark side, ala Jimmy Johnson and the U.

I hope not. He has run clean program and kept the momentum building coming out of the Spyke Dikes era and the trouble we were in at that time. I look at all the coaches at Tech in the big 3 sports and believe they get good kids.
We were having this discussion last night about whether statutory **** is still **** when it is kids( both parties under 18.) I know "no" is " no", and I wouldn't debate that at all. We all know things aren't always so cut and dried when you are a dating youth, and just like the Kobe Bryant situation, feelings can change after the deed is done. I guess what I am saying is you don't know what happened unless you were there.

if Leach sticks to what he has done in the past, if trouble arises, the kid will be kicked off the team, or" take a semester off to take care of issues at home" or whatever.

I applaud taking a chance. Hell, a little 5-9 200# kid from Pampa, Texas came to tech and left an All-american and is still the starting MLB for Miami- Zach Thomas. IMO that's the beauty of college football, is developing great athletes both on the field and off. i know it sounds REALLY corny, but it's nice to see someone turn it around and make a contribution.

I say it's worth a chance, until proven otherwise for Leach.

wide-e-wide
02-13-2006, 05:44 PM
Texas Tech is a fine university...I have nothing but good things to say about them. In fact I love them and embrace them as my brothers and sisters on this planet we call Earth. Aaah the birds are singing and the trees swaying in the breeze. The world is such a wonderful place...especially when we don't say things that hurt each other's feelings. Hugs and kisses Texas Tech...I hope you play well in every sport you play.

P.S. I'm sorry I called you sand aggy


Warm thoughts and best wishes,
The kinder gentler wide-e-wide

slorch
02-13-2006, 05:55 PM
I feel dirty.
apology accepted... I think.

jtk1519
02-13-2006, 06:30 PM
Texas Tech is a fine university...I have nothing but good things to say about them. In fact I love them and embrace them as my brothers and sisters on this planet we call Earth. Aaah the birds are singing and the trees swaying in the breeze. The world is such a wonderful place...especially when we don't say things that hurt each other's feelings. Hugs and kisses Texas Tech...I hope you play well in every sport you play.

P.S. I'm sorry I called you sand aggy


Warm thoughts and best wishes,
The kinder gentler wide-e-wide

That just made me sick.

wide-e-wide
02-13-2006, 06:37 PM
That just made me sick.


I'm sorry to hear that. I hope you get to feeling better.
Perhaps some warm tea and a nice Kevin Costner movie would help.
That's what I always do.

jtk1519
02-13-2006, 06:43 PM
I'm sorry to hear that. I hope you get to feeling better.
Perhaps some warm tea and a nice Kevin Costner movie would help.
That's what I always do.

http://texashsfootball.com/board/style_emoticons/default/blowup.gif

wide-e-wide
02-13-2006, 06:47 PM
Poor fella bursted into flames...that was tragic. I hope no feelings were hurt in that little incident.

slorch
02-13-2006, 07:07 PM
I think as the old Wide wwould say, That's tight.

I guess that's better than turning into a pillar of salt...

Reaganrattler07
02-14-2006, 10:13 AM
I have a question about the signee. Did he actually **** her or was it like she lied about her age, they had sex and then she accused him of ****?

jtk1519
02-14-2006, 02:25 PM
I have a question about the signee. Did he actually **** her or was it like she lied about her age, they had sex and then she accused him of ****?

Read the second paragraph of the first article I posted in my initial thread. It describes the incident. I'm not sure if that is "****" but it may be under Tennessee law.

DirtyHarry01
02-19-2006, 07:55 AM
Wow, I'm surprised. If this is true, then I wonder why this person wasn't signed by OU or UT?

jtk1519
02-19-2006, 08:42 AM
Wow, I'm surprised. If this is true, then I wonder why this person wasn't signed by OU or UT?

He doesn't have the talent to play for Texas or the land theives. Heck, he may not have the talent to play at Tech.

TechGuy07
02-19-2006, 12:06 PM
I was talking to a lawyer buddy of mine the other day (who graduated from Tech) and we were talking about this. He mentioned to me that in the state of Texas, sometimes it's just easier to plead out to a misdemeanor (especially if you 17 like crawford) and then have it expunged/sealed when you turn 18 rather than let it go to court and have the trial carry over to your 18th b-day, when it could possibly stay on your record, IF you were convicted.

Obviously we don't know nearly all the facts.

Also, he mentioned that if he were the girls lawyer, the only way Crawford would have gotten a misdemeanor plea or verdict is if the case against him was just incredibly weak. More than likely, he said, that the two had intercourse and the girl's parents found out and convinced her she was raped. Again, we obviously don't know what ACTUALLY happened, but he said that in all reality the above (the parents convincing her) actually happens A LOT in cases when parents feel that their "innocent little angel" (whether she is or not) has been corrupted and want to punish the male whether it was consentual or not.

Let's remember that this is a 17 yo male and a 14-16 yo female, and in the history of the earth both types have a history of being less than honest. I had a buddy in HS that hooked up w/ a 15 yo when he was 17 and we all knew it was consentual (she was not exactly "inexperienced", to put it nicely), but her parents did not know she was "easy" and they found out about my buddy and made her file ****...the charges were eventually dropped when more guys came forward and said that she was in fact not quite the angel her parents thought.

Who knows...maybe thats the case, maybe not. But remember, Leach graduated from Pepperdine with a Law degree, so he is probably more suited to assess the situation more than any of us, including myself.