Tyler Lee-Colerain game blacked out in TX

[dragons06]

TYLER LEE-COLERAIN BLACKED OUT ON ESPN-U IN TEXAS



(Please credit this story to KTBB Radio and Smoaky.com-Copyright)

KTBB Radio and Smoaky.com has learned the Friday, September 9th high school football game between Robert E. Lee and Colerain of Cincinnati will not be available on ESPN-U in Texas.

I've learned the University Interscholastic League and the Texas High School Coaches Association have decided against removing their ban on live telecasts that are not during the championship weekends.

Two sports marketing groups, Titus Sports Marketing of Plano and the Fahlgren Marketing Group in Columbus, who put the Ohio vs. U.S.A. together, have been in negotiations with the UIL over the past several weeks, but according to my sources, they've been unable to change the long-time tradition that allow only championship games to be broadcast live in Texas.

The Ohio High School Coaches Association approved the live broadcast earlier this month.

Lee and Colerain both won state championships in 2004, and are scheduled to meet at just after 8:00pm central time on Friday, September 9th at Crew Stadium in Columbus, Ohio.

I don't know whether or not the game will be offered as "tape-delayed" or not.

I've also been told negotiations will continue with the U.I.L., but the THSCA has already been very steadfast on not allowing live games during the regular season or until the championship weekends.

The radio broadcast will be available "live" on AM600 KTBB, with our broadcast crew of Randy Johnson, Craig Smoak, Kerry Ainsworth, Mike Laroux, and I.

David Smoak
Sports Director-KTBB/ESPN Radio
Owner-Smoaky.com

[PACK '97]

I may be mistaken, b/c I didnt watch the game, but didnt SLC-DR play last year on ESPN...or was that tape-delayed

anyone know

...and why do you think the UIL will not allow this?

[CCHS77]

I may be mistaken, b/c I didnt watch the game, but didnt SLC-DR play last year on ESPN...or was that tape-delayed

anyone know

...and why do you think the UIL will not allow this?


The SLC-DR game was moved to Thursday night for this very reason.

[RGVBadBoy]

they better not block this game out!!!!! i have LITERALLY been waiting for this game all offseason and summer!!!! they better not do the Texas fans like that...

[Texas Hammer]

I thought the rule was that the game couldn't be played at the same start time as other games in Texas. I think they started the SLC-Ryan game at 8:30.

[CCHS77]

I thought the rule was that the game couldn't be played at the same start time as other games in Texas. I think they started the SLC-Ryan game at 8:30.


May have started it at 8:30, but it was moved to Thursday, because of the UIL rule.

[drgnbkr]

I think it's a shame for Texas fans everywhere in the State!

[supercentex]

Everyone from Texas should boycott the UIL...ditch their normal high school games on Friday nights...and go to Ohio!

[GTown02]

I would be seriously mad if they blackout the game in TX... I am looking forward to watching this game... hopefully they will allow it to be broadcast.

[supercentex]

They aren't going to budge......unless they get more $$$$

[LoboFan07]

Appearently its not being showed in Cincinnati either

[CCHS77]

Appearently its not being showed in Cincinnati either


Somebody will blame that on the UIL, also!

[KLH75287]

I would love to see the game as well, but think the entire concept is a little silly since the actual teams that won the titles aren't playing. Not that it isn't cool to see Texas boys share the whoopin's throughout the nation, but to hype the game as it being between the two reigning State Champs is misleading.

SICK'EM EAST TEXAS !!!!

GO PACK IN '05

[ktCarl]

What a travesty. I really wanted to see this game.
Bummer.
I guess I'll have to restring my flyswatter that night.

[ilovefootball]

who cares? will anyone outside of Tyler watch the game? No

[Purple Haze]

The SLC-DR game was moved to Thursday night for this very reason.

Yup. UIL rules do not allow a Friday night game to be shown live. I thought because this was an out of state game and part of a special weekend, they might make an exception. Obviously not. :mad:

[NewSherriffInTown]

If you have DirecTV, you are going to be able to see it still. They can't black out DirecTV.

[GarlandOwl06]

who cares? will anyone outside of Tyler watch the game? No

Yes, actually. I think almost every person on this board would watch the game, if you are a football fan in Texas you would watch the game. I knew I was dying to see it.

[Bootsdaddy]

Yes, actually. I think almost every person on this board would watch the game, if you are a football fan in Texas you would watch the game. I knew I was dying to see it.

I would watch it if I am not at the Lufkin game which is in Port Arthur that night I believe. I dont know how many cable and satellite systems carry ESPN-U anyway. I have America's Top 180 on Dish and I dont have it.

[GarlandOwl06]

Yea, I have quite a few channels on my cable and I dont get that channel, may have to watch it at Hooter's...darn!

[Bootsdaddy]

Yea, I have quite a few channels on my cable and I dont get that channel, may have to watch it at Hooter's...darn!

You may be watching something at Hooter's that night but I doubt it will be Tyler Lee!

[SWTAlumni]

THATS FREAK'IN...............................AH, I can't beleive that! Why glorify this freak'in game anymore if thats the case?

WHAT A WASTE!

[SWTAlumni]

I think Owens should cancel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Play Lufkin instead.

[KLH75287]

I think Owens should cancel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Play Lufkin instead.


I'm sure he likes his chances in Ohio better.... :o


GOOD LUCK R.E.L.

GO PACK IN '05

[SWTAlumni]

Almost humorous......check the series between Outlaw and Owens,,,,,,and besides it would have been at ROSE STADIUM this year!

[pack0808]

outlaw has won 2 of the last 3 though.

[SWTAlumni]

Lufkin (15-31-1)
Last Meeting:
'02 REL won 21-14
'02 REL won 21-20 (OT)
'03 Lufkin won
'03 REL won 21-14
'04 Lufkin won 44-33

Lee has won the last 3 out 5! Come on Longview its not that hard is it?

i.e. .....STATS from SMOAKY.com

[supercentex]

TITUS Sports Marketing
P.O. Box 700608 – Dallas, TX 75370 – 972-633-8080 (tel)
972-633-0287 (fax) – dave@titussportsmarketing.com

June 30, 2005

Mr. David Smoak
Sports Director
KTBB/ESPN Radio
1001 ESE Loop 323, Suite 455
Tyler, TX 75701

Dear David,

As background, TITUS Sports Marketing is a sales and marketing representative to the Tyler ISD. Earlier this year, we negotiated Tyler Lee's participation in the Kirk Herbstreit Ohio vs. USA Challenge with Fahlgren Sports Marketing.

TITUS does not own rights to the event -- television, radio, merchandising or otherwise. TITUS Sports Marketing was not officially involved in either the press conference in Tyler or Columbus to announce the Kirk Herbstreit Ohio vs. USA Challenge. In both venues, it was clearly stated that the event is owned by Fahlgren Sports Marketing.

We are only managing the event for the Tyler ISD as it relates to the official traveling party from the moment it leaves Tyler on September 8 until their return on September 10 – under the terms of our contract with the Tyler ISD. Our goal every step of the way is to maximize the experience for the Tyler ISD and to guarantee that every item in the contract we negotiated has been fulfilled.

If we can assist the community of Tyler in any way regarding Tyler Lee’s participation in the Kirk Herbstreit Ohio vs. USA Challenge, I think we have shown a willingness to educate and assist there, too.

In addition to our relationship with the Tyler ISD, TITUS manages a corporation’s annual contract and sponsorship of the University Interscholastic League’s state championships. Our relationship with the UIL spans a number of years and various partnerships. As early as January, we made the UIL aware of Tyler Lee's expected participation in the Kirk Herbstreit Ohio vs. USA Challenge to make sure that we were following all UIL guidelines as it relates to Tyler Lee’s travel, agenda in Columbus, game officials, etc. We also contacted the Texas High School Coaches Association -- and invited both parties to the press conference in Tyler when Fahlgren Sports Marketing officially announced the Kirk Herbstreit Ohio vs. USA Challenge.

Since its contract with the Tyler ISD was signed, Fahlgren Sports Marketing has asked TITUS to help in contacting the UIL to assist with identifying the steps necessary for Fahlgren Sports Marketing to gain a waiver or ruling for live TV in Texas of the Kirk Herbstreit Ohio vs. USA Challenge.

Following every conversation with the UIL (including our meeting on Tuesday in San Antonio in conjunction with the annual NFHS meetings), we have reported back to both Fahlgren Sports Marketing and the Tyler ISD on what steps remain for Fahlgren Sports Marketing to receive a waiver or ruling for live TV of the Kirk Herbstreit Ohio vs. USA Challenge. Fahlgren Sports Marketing has been clear in both press conferences (Tyler and Columbus) that one of the ESPN channels will telecast the game live nationally -- and throughout the state of Texas provided the UIL agrees to a waiver. Such an agreement has not yet been reached, and the window for such an opportunity for Fahlgren Sports Marketing will be the UIL’s State Executive Committee meeting in Austin in August.

If you have any questions regarding our responsibilities with the Kirk Herbstreit Ohio vs. USA Challenge, please feel free to call us.


Sincerely,

(w/o signature/ via e-mail)

Dave Stephenson






cc: Dr. Charles Breithaupt, Athletic Director, UIL
Coach Danny Long, Athletic Director, Tyler ISD

[SWTAlumni]

SOUNDS like there's going to be alot Tyler people driving to Shreveport, La. to watch this game. Thats fine, nothing like a party!

[pack0808]

Lufkin (15-31-1)
Last Meeting:
'02 REL won 21-14
'02 REL won 21-20 (OT)
'03 Lufkin won
'03 REL won 21-14
'04 Lufkin won 44-33

Lee has won the last 3 out 5! Come on Longview its not that hard is it?

i.e. .....STATS from SMOAKY.com


i like how you conveniately left out the results of the 01 game when lufkin beat tyler lee 21-0. ;) did you forget about that one?? lol

[pack0808]

longview is 3-2 vs tyler lee in the last 5 i do believe??

[pack0808]

i counted lufkin winning the overall series vs tyler lee 30-15-1 tyler lee has a long way to go.

[natlib]

Further proof that the UIL has too much power. It appears that the UIL much like the NCAA is a borderline communistic regime.

[pack0808]

the uil is brutal. hey, let's add a 7th team to the playoffs and have 5 champions. they do not care if they hurt the integrity of the game all they ever care about is the $$$$$$

[raidercheerdad]

i counted lufkin winning the overall series vs tyler lee 30-15-1 tyler lee has a long way to go.I think the North won the Civil War(which, by the way, wasn't very civil) but the South Rules Now! Winners never quit and quitters never win -- just give us about 45 more years and we may be able to even things up! LOL

[CoppellCowboy57]

We all move to Ohio cause obviously there league is so much more willing then the gosh darn UIL

[Red Raiders]

Man Omg, why do they say Ohio vs U.S.A.? because this game is not national team or all star team... Its supposed to be Ohio vs Texas or Colerain vs Tyler Lee.

[Bootsdaddy]

Man Omg, why do they say Ohio vs U.S.A.? because this game is not national team or all star team... Its supposed to be Ohio vs Texas or Colerain vs Tyler Lee.

I believe they plan on starting a series in which top Ohio teams play top teams from the rest of the country in the years to come.

[dragons08]

If you have DirecTV, you are going to be able to see it still. They can't black out DirecTV.
i forgot all about that! but i think ESPN U comes with that sports package (FSN, etc) at least for mine its listed in the same area as those channels

[LoboFan07]

Lufkin (15-31-1)
Lee has won the last 3 out 5! Come on Longview its not that hard is it?

Hmmm...

Seeing as your team has lost to us 3 of the last 5 games, ...Longview is 32-13-2 againist Lee all time...Hmmm...

We're also 17-6-1 vs Lee in the past 24 games...

[pack0808]

I think the North won the Civil War(which, by the way, wasn't very civil) but the South Rules Now! Winners never quit and quitters never win -- just give us about 45 more years and we may be able to even things up! LOL


yada, in the most recent history lufkin has won 2 of the last 3 vs lee so how on earth does the south rule now?? ;)

[SWTAlumni]

I really could care less about the past although i do think it is rather amuzing that LONGVIEW seems to choke against LUFKIN. Hopefully LEE and LONGVIEW will be healthy when they play at the ROSE this year, it should be LONGVIEW'S 1st so called up-set of the year!

It will be a scoring battle and once whe figure out how to stop your two runningbacks early in the second quarter, our offense is going to wear down your pathetic defense!

[pack0808]

so we can take lee's title away since you do not care about the past. ;) you sure are talking a lot of early smack. longview does not have a pathetic defense by the way that is for sure. i like longview in a close one in that game but rose is always a tough place to win if you are playing lee.

[Red Raiders]

yada, in the most recent history lufkin has won 2 of the last 3 vs lee so how on earth does the south rule now?? ;)

He meant bigger population in south now than any parts of the USA. And we have more industrial (Am I right?) and We have more trained soldiers like it was back in 1860's.

[Red Raiders]

so we can take lee's title away since you do not care about the past. ;) you sure are talking a lot of early smack. longview does not have a pathetic defense by the way that is for sure. i like longview in a close one in that game but rose is always a tough place to win if you are playing lee.

Very tough place, did you know I have never seen Lee lose at Rose everytime I am there? I have only saw Lee lost 1 game in my 3 or 4 years ever in anywhere which was losing to The Woodlands 2 seasons ago and it was very close game! 50-48 in 3 OT! I was like I can't believe that we lost this game and we could have compete North Shore.

[pack0808]

yeah lee is very tough at rose. the last time lufkin won at rose vs lee was in 2001 when lufkin won 21-0. lufkin always plays lee tough at rose though and the games usually are not decided until late in the 4th quarter. the last 2 lufkin wins vs lee were at abe.

[SWTAlumni]

I made this point about LONGVIEW and LEE a couple of weeks ago, THE LAST 5 games have been decided by an adv. of 6.2 points which in turn is a busted play, fumble, interception, HORRIBLE CALL, etc...............

NEVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR underestimate Mike Owens!

[LoboFan07]

I really could care less about the past although i do think it is rather amuzing that LONGVIEW seems to choke against LUFKIN. Hopefully LEE and LONGVIEW will be healthy when they play at the ROSE this year, it should be LONGVIEW'S 1st so called up-set of the year!

It will be a scoring battle and once whe figure out how to stop your two runningbacks early in the second quarter, our offense is going to wear down your pathetic defense!

Lmao Lmao Lmao..
It should be Longview's 1st upset? Hmmm.
And just wondering...why do you think it is amusing that Longview seems to choke againist Lufkin? Sure Ill admit we choke. Its all mental at the moment (not saying that Lufkin hasnt earned their wins over us they totally deserve the wins that they have earned againist us).
And since when did we get a "pathetic" defense...Cause everyone I've talked to is saying our defense is better than last season and at the Green/White game they showed that they are.

Very tough place, did you know I have never seen Lee lose at Rose everytime I am there?

Were you not at the game in 03 when Longview beat Lee by 1? Unbelieveable game that was. No doubt one of the best games of the season just excitment level for Longview.

[c-lisle]

Lmao Lmao Lmao..
Sorry but beating Lee is not an upset IMO. Longview has won 4 straight games at Rose Stadium.
And just wondering...why do you think it is amusing that Longview seems to choke againist Lufkin? Sure Ill admit we choke. Its all mental at the moment (not saying that Lufkin hasnt earned their wins over us they totally deserve the wins that they have earned againist us).
And since when did we get a "pathetic" defense...Cause everyone I've talked to is saying our defense is better than last season and at the Green/White game they showed that they are.



Were you not at the game in 03 when Longview beat Lee by 1? Unbelieveable game that was. No doubt one of the best games of the season just excitment level for Longview.

I agree Lobo, at this point losing to LP may be in the players heads. If Ivory and Mcgee are healthy this year and LP and Lview meet again I think they will have their way all day(Just like Mcgee did last year). They are the guys who can end the losing streak. I can't wait till Ivory has an opportunity to avenge his performance form last year against Lufkin. Look for him to have a very BIG game.

[pack0808]

you are right rclisle it is all in the lobos heads it has absolutely nothing to do with lufkin. :rolleyes: you act like all of those games have been real close?? in 2003 lufkin won both over longview by 2td's. lufkin was up 35-7 on longview in the 4th in one of those games and the lobos scored 2 late td's against pack scrubs. last year longview did have a great shot but could not make the plays late and the pack prevailed once again.

[pack0808]

wait, you did say at this point so i am sorry if i misunderstood your statement and i overreacted. :cool:

[c-lisle]

you are right rclisle it is all in the lobos heads it has absolutely nothing to do with lufkin. :rolleyes: you act like all of those games have been real close?? in 2003 lufkin won both over longview by 2td's. lufkin was up 35-7 on longview in the 4th in one of those games and the lobos scored 2 late td's against pack scrubs. last year longview did have a great shot but could not make the plays late and the pack prevailed once again.

35-28 and 14-0. Sounds like two good games to me. I didn't make any excuses as to why we lost those games, but scrubs are your excuse as to why the first game at Abe was so close. Even two TDs isn't a blowout, you make it sound as if it were.

[pack4life]

Yes scrubs are the reason that the game was close at Abe. That game was not close when Lufkins starters were in the game.

[SWTAlumni]

If you've ever played football then you know you can't tell jack S__ about a spring game. "Oh well, I heard this and I heard that", please spare me with the Green/ White game. Most of LEE's MVP didn't even suit up for the Red/ White.

[pack0808]

the final was 35-21 not 35-28 and both lobos scores came late in the 4th against lufkin's scrubs. the game was over after the 3rd when it was 35-7 and outlaw pulled the starters. ask any logical football fan that was at that game if it was close. it was a complete mismatch that night. the 14-0 game longview hardly even crossed midfield. that game was never in doubt trust me.

[pack0808]

i just realized something. lufkin has been shutout in 16 years vs longview. lufkin has shutout both tyler lee 21-0 2001 and longview 14-0 2003 in the last 4 seasons. and it was on both of their homefields. that is pretty impressive against those 2 quality teams. the last time lee was shutout before lufkin was to lake highlands in 95 and the last time longview got shutout before lufkin was vs lufkin once again in 95.

[LoboFan07]

The first game of 2003, was one of the worst games Ive seen between Longview and Lufkin a long time.

The 14-0 contest was all defensive. I still think that Lufkin caught that pass in the endzone to end the first half which wouldve given them a 21-0 lead but nothing can be done about that now.

But besides the 2003 season, they been pretty close.

2004: 31-21
2003 |2|: 14-0
2003 |1|: 35-21
2002 |3|: 24-21
2002 |2|: 29-20
2002 |1|: 23-12 (God that game was horrible in that pouring down rain for Homecoming..But Ill admit I was one of the fans that stayed for the whole game and didnt leave like a lot of people did)
2001: 21-7
2000: 30-22
1999: 17-7

So I mean its been 14 or less points since 98 when we beat you guys in OT.
Now that I look back Im surprised we stayed that close to you guys in '99 and '00 seeing as how our record was then. But never the less, Lufkin has deserved and earned each and everyone of their wins over us. Do I think the 2004 game was a lot of the mental that we cant beat Lufkin? Of course I do but Lufkin won the game hands down. They made the plays when they needed to and they took advantage of those 5 fumbles (sighs) that we had. I cant wait to see what you guys have in the scrimmage on August 20th but Im more importantly hoping to see you guys in regional once again. But I wont go that far ahead to predict that we'll both be there.

On the shut out comment, you are correct about the last time us being shut out being the 20-0 loss @ Lufkin in 1995. We ourself shut out 7 different teams inbetween that streak.

[Bootsdaddy]

The first game of 2003, was one of the worst games Ive seen between Longview and Lufkin a long time.

The 14-0 contest was all defensive. I still think that Lufkin caught that pass in the endzone to end the first half which wouldve given them a 21-0 lead but nothing can be done about that now.

But besides the 2003 season, they been pretty close.

2004: 34-31
2003 |2|: 14-0
2003 |1|: 35-21
2002 |3|: 24-21
2002 |2|: 29-20
2002 |1|: 23-12 (God that game was horrible in that pouring down rain for Homecoming..But Ill admit I was one of the fans that stayed for the whole game and didnt leave like a lot of people did)
2001: 21-7
2000: 30-22
1999: 17-7

So I mean its been 14 or less points since 98 when we beat you guys in OT.
Now that I look back Im surprised we stayed that close to you guys in '99 and '00 seeing as how our record was then. But never the less, Lufkin has deserved and earned each and everyone of their wins over us. Do I think the 2004 game was a lot of the mental that we cant beat Lufkin? Of course I do but Lufkin won the game hands down. They made the plays when they needed to and they took advantage of those 5 fumbles (sighs) that we had. I cant wait to see what you guys have in the scrimmage on August 20th but Im more importantly hoping to see you guys in regional once again. But I wont go that far ahead to predict that we'll both be there.

On the shut out comment, you are correct about the last time us being shut out being the 20-0 loss @ Lufkin in 1995. We ourself shut out 7 different teams inbetween that streak.

Pretty selective memory there Lobofan. The score last year was 31-21 Lufkin even though Longview led 14-0 2 minutes into the second quarter. So in the last 34 minutes of the game Lufkin outscored Longview 31-7. I know you gave the Pack credit but a lot of Lobo fans act like it was a fluke.

[LoboFan07]

Ack didnt notice I put 34-31...shouldve said 31-21.

I think a lot of Lobo fans are just so sick and tired of losing to Lufkin. I know I am.

Lufkin has had our number no question about it. And yes we know Lufkin is gonna be good every year we play them..but our guys are so used to losing to Lufkin something always seems to happen to use to cost us the game.

You cant tell me had we not fumbled 3 times in the first quarter that we would not of been up more than 14-0. We were killing the Pack then. Thats why we were so mad after the game. We were beating you guys and we fumbled our win away because of a dang broken hand.

Do I think we can beat the Pack this year? Of course I do but I also said that we would beat the Pack in 04. And in 03 And in 02. Its getting tiring of saying that I think we'll beat them only to be let down.

Last year's game wasnt a fluke. Lufkin won the game obviously. They made the playoffs and proved why they should be 13-0 at that time. Dont get me wrong I went out to Waco and support Lp all the way againist SLC. For some strange reason when you guys lost I even started crying for you guys (What the heck happened to me there). But I want to win. And I think most of Lobo fans would agree that the thought on my mind and the goal I want to accomplish this season the most..even if we dont win State is to beat Lufkin.

[pack4life]

Totally understandable. Everyone has that one person that they feel like they should've been, but just couldn't. It's cool. Trust me if we both end up playing again, and say you guys win this time :eek: (jk :p ) i will be wherever yall are playing to root yall on.


Of course yall more than likely woudl have been up by more if not for the fumbles, but no one knows if you would've won the game. It's been about "what ifs" for Longview over "the streak". But most of the games have been good ones, espically in the playoffs.

[Bootsdaddy]

I know that during that 1st qtr I couldnt believe what I was seeing. We were sitting in the grass behind the endzone so it was really hard to see what was happening along the line of scrimmage but I had not seen anyone push our defense around like that since Aldine Eisenhower in 2000. Hopefully we will have a rematch this season and break another Homer Bryce record for attendance. That was crazy! People everywhere and a lot of them werent even from Lufkin or Longview.