"National" Polls - Final...

[AbEagleFan]

As predicted, the choir boys from Jersey got the nod. Town is going crazy, already got two calls from my "buds" about how they would pour it on us Texas teams.

A whole year, for a whole year I have to deal with this!

Rivals
http://highschool.rivals.com/viewrankhs.asp?ra_key=646

Max Preps
http://www.maxpreps.com/news/_zutfO2xEd6UswAcxJTdpg/xcellent-25-national-football-rankings--don-bosco-prep-finishes-no-1.htm

ESPN
http://sports.espn.go.com/highschool/rise/fab50?sportId=10020030&seasonType=1&season=2009&week=99

Massey
http://highschools.usatoday.com/usatoday/massey.cfm

USA Today
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/preps/football/poll/2009-super25.htm

National Prep Poll
http://www.prepnation.com/poll/poll.cfm?poll=1&latest=1

Calpreps Poll
http://calpreps.com/2009/ratings/National_all25.htm

[BlakeJ]

You know that these polls are a joke right?? I wouldnt pay much attention to them. Some have you guys behind Lake Travis and other teams. I dont doubt you could beat any team in the country right now.

[E-Vol-ution]

One of my brothers lives in Jersey City.........but he'll tell you in a minute that both Abilene and Trinity take DBP. That being said, DBP is a heck of a team. But he's been here plenty and seen all of them.

[Favpack]

Nothing screams national champs louder than being the non-public school state champion from New Jersey.


1. Don Bosco Prep (Ramsey, N.J.), 12-0. Last Week: 2. Season complete. Non-Public Group IV state champions.

2. Abilene (Texas), 16-0. Last Week: 2. Ronnell Sims rushed for 215 yards and three touchdowns to lead Abilene to a 5A-II state title over Katy, 28-17. Cousin Hershel Sims added a 60-yard TD run as the Eagles captured their first state title since 1956.

[Firebird]

I love Abilene....but Lake Travis has done more than enough to make all the 5A big guys sit up and take notice. LT would have given either ET or AHS all they wanted and then some. They've walloped Longview back to back now in state title games, and the Lobos weren't exactly chopped liver in 5A.

[Hitman49]

As predicted, the choir boys from Jersey got the nod. Town is going crazy, already got two calls from my "buds" about how they would pour it on us Texas teams.

A whole year, for a whole year I have to deal with this!

Rivals
http://highschool.rivals.com/viewrankhs.asp?ra_key=646

Max Preps
http://www.maxpreps.com/news/_zutfO2xEd6UswAcxJTdpg/xcellent-25-national-football-rankings--don-bosco-prep-finishes-no-1.htm

ESPN
http://sports.espn.go.com/highschool/rise/fab50?sportId=10020030&seasonType=1&season=2009&week=99

Massey
Later

USA Today
Later

DBP- should not even qualify! Dang, they only played 12 games The National polls are a total joke.

[Trinity Trojan Fan For Li]

Trinity is listed too high in all the polls.

Signed,
Trinity Sandbaggers;)

[yankee]

. They've walloped Longview back to back now in state title games, and the Lobos weren't exactly chopped liver in 5A.

24-17 = walloped?

[farmerfan]

These polls are just dumb.
If Texas teams do not make up at least the top 5 and probably should be the top 10 then they are not legit.

[eaglefootball11]

I love Abilene....but Lake Travis has done more than enough to make all the 5A big guys sit up and take notice. LT would have given either ET or AHS all they wanted and then some. They've walloped Longview back to back now in state title games, and the Lobos weren't exactly chopped liver in 5A.

Longview never accomplished anything in 5a. Abilene has way to much speed for LT keep dreaming buddy.

[cougmantx]

24-17 = walloped?

I was thinking the same thing...I think a wallop is something putting up 88 on your oponate...hmmm, who was it that did that...oh that's right, Trinity! Now that is a wallop!

[Warbird_Dad]

Now what's the deal with these non-public schools like DBP? They are able to recruit players..? :confused:

[farmerfan]

Now what's the deal with these non-public schools like DBP? They are able to recruit players..? :confused:

Yes they are. They have an annual budget of like $15,000,000,000 or so allocated just for tuition reimbursement for the biggest and best football players all along the Eastern Seaboard

[Warbird_Dad]

Yes they are. They have an annual budget of like $15,000,000,000 or so allocated just for tuition reimbursement for the biggest and best football players all along the Eastern Seaboard

Wow, that's bigger than allot of colleges.....

[Warbird_Dad]

No disrespect to the Catholic schools but can you imagine playing for "Our Lady of Good Counsel"...national powerhouse...???

[farmerfan]

Wow, that's bigger than allot of colleges.....

Oh yeah,. those private school are huge huge huge money factories. You should see all the funding they get. It's crazy sane.

[Eaglesnest]

If there so stout bring'em on they can afford it , recruit all you want Abilene takes you down and puts another feather in there wings enough said :eek: we don't recruit :D and will blow by you!!!!!!!!! :cool:

[AbEagleFan]

You know that these polls are a joke right?? I wouldnt pay much attention to them. Some have you guys behind Lake Travis and other teams. I dont doubt you could beat any team in the country right now.

Okay, we are even. You don't get my point here, I don't get yours in the other thread.

I have friends at DBP. Any other team I could care less about who's ranked one. The fact I have friends there, I now have to listen to them even more so smack about how much better Jersey ball is better than Texas ball. The fact Abilene for some reason ended up ranked high makes it even sweeter for them in an attempt to make their point and enhance smack down my way!

[AbEagleFan]

Now what's the deal with these non-public schools like DBP? They are able to recruit players..? :confused:

Yep. This years DBP team has players from three states.

[AbEagleFan]

Yes they are. They have an annual budget of like $15,000,000,000 or so allocated just for tuition reimbursement for the biggest and best football players all along the Eastern Seaboard

No no no... Get it right. They got a stimulas package that increased it two-fold.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

TGO emailed the analyst who put the National Ranking together, and this was his response:

Hey TGO,

Thanks for the email.

I think the whole problem comes unraveled when you have to find a subjective/objective fan of Texas HS football – I have an inbox full of emails just saying that any texas team would beat any new jersey team.

There is no doubt the overall level of teams in Texas is higher… but the problem is all those teams do not play one another. Katy played no one in the playoffs but made it to the finals.

Abilene played no one in the regular season and had to only beat Cedar Hill, Bowie , and Katy to win states. The teams are not running this gauntlet of tough teams that made your list.

I appreciate your email and opinion, but a team that plays fundamentally sound with 7 division I players on defense – that beats three teams that played for state titles in the same season – I will put at No. 1 and feel very confident.

Be intouch

DJ

Dallas Jackson - RivalsHigh.com
DallasJ@Yahoo-Inc.com


TGO is in full pwnage mode. At least I will vent my dissaproval, though I understand the point is moot. He'll know plenty of Texans could care :Censor: less about New Jersey football!

[abileneeagles311]

TGO emailed the analyst who put the National Ranking together, and this was his response:



TGO is in full pwnage mode. At least I will vent my dissaproval, though I understand the point is moot. He'll know plenty of Texans could care :Censor: less about New Jersey football!
cedar hill had 17 players on rivals :eek:

[AbEagleFan]

TGO emailed the analyst who put the National Ranking together, and this was his response:



TGO is in full pwnage mode. At least I will vent my dissaproval, though I understand the point is moot. He'll know plenty of Texans could care :Censor: less about New Jersey football!

But can that Jersey team endure the ups and downs of a 16 game season to win it all? It's a much harder climb to the top of a Texas State Championship than it is a Jersey.

Never mind me, just talking to the wall.

[twcpfan1]

Longview never accomplished anything in 5a. Abilene has way to much speed for LT keep dreaming buddy.

Didn't they say the same about Longview last year and this year? 3peat. If any one team has a legit claim to being the best in Texas, it's LT this year as well as the last 3 years.

[mojotrain]

As predicted, the choir boys from Jersey got the nod. Town is going crazy, already got two calls from my "buds" about how they would pour it on us Texas teams.

A whole year, for a whole year I have to deal with this!

Rivals
http://highschool.rivals.com/viewrankhs.asp?ra_key=646

Max Preps
http://www.maxpreps.com/news/_zutfO2xEd6UswAcxJTdpg/xcellent-25-national-football-rankings--don-bosco-prep-finishes-no-1.htm

ESPN
http://sports.espn.go.com/highschool/rise/fab50?sportId=10020030&seasonType=1&season=2009&week=99

Massey
http://highschools.usatoday.com/usatoday/massey.cfm

USA Today
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/preps/football/poll/2009-super25.htm

You might ask them will any of them be coming to UT, Alabama or TCU to play college ball.

[AbEagleFan]

You might ask them will any of them be coming to UT, Alabama or TCU to play college ball.

More than likely, Princeton, Yale, Rutgers, Harvard, NYU :D

[da hawaiian]

Massey has Bingham HS 3 spots higher than Trinity?

That's just plain wrong right there.

[cougmantx]

TGO emailed the analyst who put the National Ranking together, and this was his response:



TGO is in full pwnage mode. At least I will vent my dissaproval, though I understand the point is moot. He'll know plenty of Texans could care :Censor: less about New Jersey football!

Seems he slammed Abilene and Katy both...:eek:

[jbusch]

More than likely, Princeton, Yale, Rutgers, Harvard, NYU :D

Bummer - boring saturday afternoons

they probably end up in congress screwing up our country when they could be sitting on a tail gate in west texas on a friday night watching 6-man, I pity them boys from NJ - bleak sad future

[da hawaiian]

Bummer - boring saturday afternoons

they probably end up in congress screwing up our country when they could be sitting on a tail gate in west texas on a friday night watching 6-man, I pity them boys from NJ - bleak sad future

:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy

[trojan-man]

If ive ever seen some bull :Censor: it is this

[TrojanHorse03]

I'll say this. Though New Jersey football as a whole isn't on Texas' level, I will say Don Bosco's team this year is legitimately one of the top teams in the nation though they did nothing this year to make me sure they would beat Abilene as the steelers or dallas jacksons of course.

Don Bosco did exactly what I have always said is the top way to end up high in or mythical champion of some random writers opinion beat a nationally recognized out of state name program. Even if that team doesn't play as good that year as the national reputation they earned in the past they will still be the beginning and end of the case for a team being unquestioned top team in national polls. And to that end Don Bosco playing against what qualifies as a national schedule in hs football has done enough imo to be in consideration for national champion in someone else's opinion, lol.

The best thing I can say, not to be critical is say why even give any extra weight to Dallas Jacksons' opinion poll or anyone else's except for enertainment and laughs only considering they're strongly intended to draw attention and discussion? Are these opinions on who's the best without error to make them more credible than anyone elses? Also for those who are interested in what things national opinions are primarily penalizing Abilene for,so sure Don Bosco would beat Abilene and Don Bosco actually locking up the MNC since those opinions' last best team STA lost are as follows:

1) Don Bosco dominated the 2009 edition of De La Salle who lost to Lakeland(FL. non-champion) but also won a California bowl championship.
2) Abilene was a tackle at the one yard line from losing to Klein in week 15. Don Bosco had already wrapped up the New Jersey state title in 12 games.
3) Abilene only beat Katy(TX) in the state championship by 11. Don Bosco beat a national name out of state team Prattville(AL. non-champion) by 11, 35-24 in non district play.
4) Abilene had to rely predominantly on qb runs in winning by 11 vs. Katy.

Abilene's speed, gamebreakers, blocking, limiting Cedar Hill to 17, Bowie to 7, Katy to 110 rushing yards among other things aren't as important nationally. Take it for what it's worth.

[mad_fan]

As predicted, the choir boys from Jersey got the nod. Town is going crazy, already got two calls from my "buds" about how they would pour it on us Texas teams.

A whole year, for a whole year I have to deal with this!




Focus more time on politics and Washigton DC...:rolleyes:

[Beanz]

I'll say this. Though New Jersey football as a whole isn't on Texas' level, I will say Don Bosco's team this year is legitimately one of the top teams in the nation though they did nothing this year to make me sure they would beat Abilene as the steelers or dallas jacksons of course.

Don Bosco did exactly what I have always said is the top way to end up high in or mythical champion of some random writers opinion beat a nationally recognized out of state name program. Even if that team doesn't play as good that year as the national reputation they earned in the past they will still be the beginning and end of the case for a team being unquestioned top team in national polls. And to that end Don Bosco playing against what qualifies as a national schedule in hs football has done enough imo to be in consideration for national champion in someone else's opinion, lol.

The best thing I can say, not to be critical is say why even give any extra weight to Dallas Jacksons' opinion poll or anyone else's except for enertainment and laughs only considering they're strongly intended to draw attention and discussion? Are these opinions on who's the best without error to make them more credible than anyone elses? Also for those who are interested in what things national opinions are primarily penalizing Abilene for,so sure Don Bosco would beat Abilene and Don Bosco actually locking up the MNC since those opinions' last best team STA lost are as follows:

1) Don Bosco dominated the 2009 edition of De La Salle who lost to Lakeland(FL. non-champion) but also won a California bowl championship.
2) Abilene was a tackle at the one yard line from losing to Klein in week 15. Don Bosco had already wrapped up the New Jersey state title in 12 games.
3) Abilene only beat Katy(TX) in the state championship by 11. Don Bosco beat a national name out of state team Prattville(AL. non-champion) by 11, 35-24 in non district play.
4) Abilene had to rely predominantly on qb runs in winning by 11 vs. Katy.

Abilene's speed, gamebreakers, blocking, limiting Cedar Hill to 17, Bowie to 7, Katy to 110 rushing yards among other things aren't as important nationally. Take it for what it's worth.

AND EVERYONE KNOWS THAT KATY IS A PUSH OVER COMPARED TO EVERY OTHER TEAM IN TEXAS!:eek:

[mad_fan]

Don Bosco did exactly what I have always said is the top way to end up high in or mythical champion of some random writers opinion beat a nationally recognized out of state name program. Even if that team doesn't play as good that year as the national reputation they earned in the past they will still be the beginning and end of the case for a team being unquestioned top team in national polls. And to that end Don Bosco playing against what qualifies as a national schedule in hs football has done enough imo to be in consideration for national champion in someone else's opinion, lol.



Agreed...and if we eliminated 3/4 of the high schools in the country from consideration by way of national conferences...we'd have a high school BCS...and know who the 'real' champ is...

[Dawg Fan]

I think that non public schools should only play non public schools. Recruiting high school players is wrong and they should not be rewarded by being able to play the public schools. :Censor:

[OakTreeUp-n-Out]

24-17 = walloped?

I'm no fan of Lake Travis, but I was there and the game looked a lot more like 45-17 than 24-17. Longview was never in it.

[F18mustang]

I'll say this. Though New Jersey football as a whole isn't on Texas' level, I will say Don Bosco's team this year is legitimately one of the top teams in the nation though they did nothing this year to make me sure they would beat Abilene as the steelers or dallas jacksons of course.

Don Bosco did exactly what I have always said is the top way to end up high in or mythical champion of some random writers opinion beat a nationally recognized out of state name program. Even if that team doesn't play as good that year as the national reputation they earned in the past they will still be the beginning and end of the case for a team being unquestioned top team in national polls. And to that end Don Bosco playing against what qualifies as a national schedule in hs football has done enough imo to be in consideration for national champion in someone else's opinion, lol.

The best thing I can say, not to be critical is say why even give any extra weight to Dallas Jacksons' opinion poll or anyone else's except for enertainment and laughs only considering they're strongly intended to draw attention and discussion? Are these opinions on who's the best without error to make them more credible than anyone elses? Also for those who are interested in what things national opinions are primarily penalizing Abilene for,so sure Don Bosco would beat Abilene and Don Bosco actually locking up the MNC since those opinions' last best team STA lost are as follows:

1) Don Bosco dominated the 2009 edition of De La Salle who lost to Lakeland(FL. non-champion) but also won a California bowl championship.
2) Abilene was a tackle at the one yard line from losing to Klein in week 15. Don Bosco had already wrapped up the New Jersey state title in 12 games.
3) Abilene only beat Katy(TX) in the state championship by 11. Don Bosco beat a national name out of state team Prattville(AL. non-champion) by 11, 35-24 in non district play.
4) Abilene had to rely predominantly on qb runs in winning by 11 vs. Katy.

Abilene's speed, gamebreakers, blocking, limiting Cedar Hill to 17, Bowie to 7, Katy to 110 rushing yards among other things aren't as important nationally. Take it for what it's worth.

There is no doubt in my mind that Katy, ET, or Abilene would dominate DBP schedule this year if not better then DBP did.

[farmerfan]

I think that non public schools should only play non public schools. Recruiting high school players is wrong and they should not be rewarded by being able to play the public schools. :Censor:

I agree with keeping the privates and publics separate but can you please point me to and prove to where all these private schools that are being accused of recruiting to so?
You don't think those programs sell themselves to kids in thsoe states or area?

[Tsup]

I know for a fact they provide athletic scholarships where selected athletes are provided with all tuition and books. If they want you they will make sure you know, then schedule a visit just like a college. I agree with keeping the privates and publics separate but can you please point me to and prove to where all these private schools that are being accused of recruiting to so?
You don't think those programs sell themselves to kids in thsoe states or area?

[SLC]

There is no doubt in my mind that Katy, ET, or Abilene would dominate DBP schedule this year if not better then DBP did.


I hear ya, but flip it and I dont doubt that DBP could have won playing any of those 3 teams schedules either. The Ironmen were a very good team.


And, of the teams I seen play this season on a national scale, the 4 teams I was most impressed with were DBP, St. Thomas Aquinas, Notre Dame and Byrnes and if those 4 teams played in Texas, I believe all 4 would have been semi-final teams. And I believe Byrnes, St. Thomas Aquinas and DBP were capable of winning the state championship in either division this season in Texas.

[T's Up]

These Polls are wack I think we all know that texas high school football take the cake, in terms of quality of competition. If you win a state championship in texas that means your the truth. In my opinion Abilene and Euless Trinity would do work on Lake Travis.

[farmerfan]

I know for a fact they provide athletic scholarships where selected athletes are provided with all tuition and books. If they want you they will make sure you know, then schedule a visit just like a college.

Ok then, show us how you know that, provide the evidence that backs up this claim.

[Tsup]

Why do you think its a secret, they offer athletic scholarships all the time. I have a family member who coached at a local smaller private school and there whole football team was on scholarship.

Common man you really think those kids pony up the money. The only requirement I was exposed to was they wanted you to play 2 sports. I watched these same kids I coached that couldnt afford to pay rent go to a very exclusive private school.

You think all those kids at John Curtis said err hey is it ok if i move 200 miles and pay you thousands so i can play football for you ? I coached pee wee football for years and they were on the field talking to them in 5th and 6th grade. Ok then, show us how you know that, provide the evidence that backs up this claim.

[AbEagleFan]

These Polls are wack I think we all know that texas high school football take the cake, in terms of quality of competition. If you win a state championship in texas that means your the truth. In my opinion Abilene and Euless Trinity would do work on Lake Travis.

Jersey alone crowned something like 21 state champions this year. Talk about a watered down system

[warbird00]

I love Abilene....but Lake Travis has done more than enough to make all the 5A big guys sit up and take notice. LT would have given either ET or AHS all they wanted and then some. They've walloped Longview back to back now in state title games, and the Lobos weren't exactly chopped liver in 5A.

Yeah....no. You must be using the term "whalloped" losely. Anyhow LT plays that game vs Abilene, Katy, Trinity, or Westlake, and I think they very likely lose. I wont go on to talk about LT, because really all I knew before was they had a very good offense, and all I know now is they have a really good offense and made some big mistakes in the state championship game. Do that in 5a and you're like not even going to make it to the final game. Heck, You may not make it past round one or two. How do I know? Ask the "non" chopped liver Longview Lobo's about it.

[farmerfan]

Why do you think its a secret, they offer athletic scholarships all the time. I have a family member who coached at a local smaller private school and there whole football team was on scholarship.

Common man you really think those kids pony up the money. The only requirement I was exposed to was they wanted you to play 2 sports. I watched these same kids I coached that couldnt afford to pay rent go to a very exclusive private school.

You think all those kids at John Curtis said err hey is it ok if i move 200 miles and pay you thousands so i can play football for you ? I coached pee wee football for years and they were on the field talking to them in 5th and 6th grade.

What team would that be that your family member coached at?

Trust me I call BS on your part about the whole team being on scholarship. I say that because you do not understand how the private schools around here work, they are not these cash cows so many of you all think. But I do know a TAPPS board member so why dont you tell me the name of the school your family member worked at and I can have him investigate their wrong doing.

Why dont you tell me who those kids that moved 2000 miles to attend Curtis were though

[Tsup]

it's hard for me to believe your a trinity fan and don't know any of the various kids they have lost to private schools figure it out for yourself it woulld probably take ten minutes or a simple call to the coaching staff. What team would that be that your family member coached at?

Trust me I call BS on your part about the whole team being on scholarship. I say that because you do not understand how the private schools around here work, they are not these cash cows so many of you all think. But I do know a TAPPS board member so why dont you tell me the name of the school your family member worked at and I can have him investigate their wrong doing.

Why dont you tell me who those kids that moved 2000 miles to attend Curtis were though

[Tsup]

read again 200 not 2000What team would that be that your family member coached at?

Trust me I call BS on your part about the whole team being on scholarship. I say that because you do not understand how the private schools around here work, they are not these cash cows so many of you all think. But I do know a TAPPS board member so why dont you tell me the name of the school your family member worked at and I can have him investigate their wrong doing.

Why dont you tell me who those kids that moved 2000 miles to attend Curtis were though

[farmerfan]

it's hard for me to believe your a trinity fan and don't know any of the various kids they have lost to private schools figure it out for yourself it woulld probably take ten minutes or a simple call to the coaching staff.

Can't believe you are a Trinity fan and think that private schools are the only one that do illegal stuff.
Funny you think though that everybody that leaves from a public to a private school is somehow recruted. I know exactly who you are talking about and in regards to Oak Ridge once again they are not a cash cow school that will just sit there and give scholarships to every athlete that walks through the door. If they did they would not have a school

[farmerfan]

read again 200 not 2000

Ok then, so tell me, who was it that moved 200 miles away becuse they were recruited by JC. Names please.

Once again, what was the name of that school that your family member was a coach at, you knwo the school you say who had their entire team on scholorship? Do name them please.

[SLC]

it's hard for me to believe your a trinity fan and don't know any of the various kids they have lost to private schools figure it out for yourself it woulld probably take ten minutes or a simple call to the coaching staff.


Carroll has lost a few players to private schools, but it's not because those privates recruited them, it's because those kids wanted to play rather then be back-ups, so they left and went to a school that would let them play and since it's against UIL rules to transfer for athletic purposes, they followed the rules and went to a private school. Nothing at all wrong with a 16 yr old kid wanting to get playing time and if he can get it at a private school, more power to him, but again, it DOES NOT mean the private school recruited him.

[CincoFTW21]

Yea!!! Cinco Ranch #86!!! Hahaha nice!

[SLC]

Oh, lest we forget..


National Prep Poll

http://www.prepnation.com/poll/poll.cfm?poll=1&latest=1


Calpreps Poll

http://calpreps.com/2009/ratings/National_all25.htm



So, Don Boscoe swept all 7 national poll's!

[svhorns]

Oh, lest we forget..


National Prep Poll

http://www.prepnation.com/poll/poll.cfm?poll=1&latest=1


Calpreps Poll

http://calpreps.com/2009/ratings/National_all25.htm



So, Don Boscoe swept all 7 national poll's!

6/7 but close enough.

[chhspantherfan]

Carroll has lost a few players to private schools, but it's not because those privates recruited them, it's because those kids wanted to play rather then be back-ups, so they left and went to a school that would let them play and since it's against UIL rules to transfer for athletic purposes, they followed the rules and went to a private school. Nothing at all wrong with a 16 yr old kid wanting to get playing time and if he can get it at a private school, more power to him, but again, it DOES NOT mean the private school recruited him.

Uh hmmmm, careful;)

[Firebird]

Longview never accomplished anything in 5a. Abilene has way to much speed for LT keep dreaming buddy.

Kind of like...oh, Abilene until right up until this year. Yet Abilene had some very solid, talented squads that just had trouble getting out into the later rounds of the playoffs. Same thing with Longview, when in 5A they were a very good team that didn't put it all together. This year's Longview and LT teams would have been among the best in the state on any level.

I have no problem saying that LT would have advanced to the finals had they been playing in Austin Westlake's bracket, and they would have given ET at least as good of a game if not beaten them. LT is a good program and great team.

[Firebird]

Yeah....no. You must be using the term "whalloped" losely. Anyhow LT plays that game vs Abilene, Katy, Trinity, or Westlake, and I think they very likely lose. I wont go on to talk about LT, because really all I knew before was they had a very good offense, and all I know now is they have a really good offense and made some big mistakes in the state championship game. Do that in 5a and you're like not even going to make it to the final game. Heck, You may not make it past round one or two. How do I know? Ask the "non" chopped liver Longview Lobo's about it.

So you've watched one game from the Cavaliers? I find it funny that you threw Westlake in there as a team that likely would have beaten Lake Travis, considering that Lake Travis already beat Austin Westlake 42-24 this year. Yeah, they had some mistakes in the state championship game, it happens to good teams. They still won against a Longview team that is as fast and explosive as any 5A team in the state. The Lobos would have been a solid playoff team in region II.

Like I said, you substitute LT for Westlake in the 2009 playoffs and you have a team that is playing ET for all the marbles. And maybe winning them.

[ktCarl]

As predicted, the choir boys from Jersey got the nod. Town is going crazy, already got two calls from my "buds" about how they would pour it on us Texas teams.

A whole year, for a whole year I have to deal with this!

Rivals
http://highschool.rivals.com/viewrankhs.asp?ra_key=646

Max Preps
http://www.maxpreps.com/news/_zutfO2xEd6UswAcxJTdpg/xcellent-25-national-football-rankings--don-bosco-prep-finishes-no-1.htm

ESPN
http://sports.espn.go.com/highschool/rise/fab50?sportId=10020030&seasonType=1&season=2009&week=99

Massey
http://highschools.usatoday.com/usatoday/massey.cfm

USA Today
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/preps/football/poll/2009-super25.htm

Get used to it. It's kind of like what the rest of Texas has to deal with from the DFW peeps except it's not for one year....it's eternal. ;)

[twcpfan1]

These types of threads are lessons in futility.

Texas fans will never recognize or acknowledge that any OOS team can be the best in the country.

Texas 5a fans will never acknowledge that a team from a smaller enrolment classification can be the best in the State.

Furthermore, Texas fans will never consider that wrong doings can happen in Texas. On the other hand, they will never consider that OOS success can happen without it.

There you have it folks.

[chhspantherfan]

These types of threads are lessons in futility.

Texas fans will never recognize or acknowledge that any OOS team can be the best in the country.

Texas 5a fans will never acknowledge that a team from a smaller enrolment classification can be the best in the State.

Furthermore, Texas fans will never consider that wrong doings can happen in Texas. On the other hand, they will never consider that OOS success can happen without it.

There you have it folks.

You're not from around here, are you?

[Ltcav83]

Yeah....no. You must be using the term "whalloped" losely. Anyhow LT plays that game vs Abilene, Katy, Trinity, or Westlake, and I think they very likely lose. I wont go on to talk about LT, because really all I knew before was they had a very good offense, and all I know now is they have a really good offense and made some big mistakes in the state championship game. Do that in 5a and you're like not even going to make it to the final game. Heck, You may not make it past round one or two. How do I know? Ask the "non" chopped liver Longview Lobo's about it.

So you think that LT very likely loses to Westlake who went to overtime with Trinity? Wow, I could have sworn that LT already played Westlake this year and blew them away, 42-21. Unlike you, I was at that game and unlike you I saw LT play all year. You are right though, you should not go on and talk about LT because it is very obvious that you know nothing about them.

If you ask most unbiased observers, they would probably tell you that LT was the best team in the state last year and this year as well. They are in the top ten of 5 of the "national" polls. But you are probably right, in 5A they probably might not make it past the 1st round. What a joke.

[Firebird]

These types of threads are lessons in futility.

Texas fans will never recognize or acknowledge that any OOS team can be the best in the country.

Texas 5a fans will never acknowledge that a team from a smaller enrolment classification can be the best in the State.

Furthermore, Texas fans will never consider that wrong doings can happen in Texas. On the other hand, they will never consider that OOS success can happen without it.

There you have it folks.


Those 4A teams can't handle 5A.....

On the field in the LT-Longview game were two teams that between them had beaten Austin Westlake, Allen, Tyler Lee, Cedar Park, and Round Rock Westwood. All 5A playoff teams, one 5A state finalist, and a D/FW team that entered the playoffs as the number one ranked team by this very site. I think LT would have done just fine in 5a, thanks.

The astonishing success of SLC immediately after they classed up to 5A from 4A years ago should have put this myth to bed permanently.

[twcpfan1]

You're not from around here, are you?

Well I wasn't born here but have lived here almost 20 years.

[odessapermian.com]

These national polls are a joke. The only legitimate national polls I've ever seen were the ones from 1972 and 1989.

:D

[chhspantherfan]

Well I wasn't born here but have lived here almost 20 years.

just playing with you, when i read it I immediately thought of that Picante sauce commercial where the guy says "New York City!" :D


btw, Firebird nailed it in his post.

[twcpfan1]

just playing with you, when i read it I immediately thought of that Picante sauce commercial where the guy says "New York City!" :D


btw, Firebird nailed it in his post.

Yeah I had suspected that the question was rhetorical because I thought we had mentioned it before. :D

I agree. Firebird nailed it and actually could have added that Smithson Valley played in 2 of those state finals and came very close to winning one of them.

[Firebird]

Yeah I had suspected that the question was rhetorical because I thought we had mentioned it before. :D

I agree. Firebird nailed it and actually could have added that Smithson Valley played in 2 of those state finals and came very close to winning one of them.

I forgot about them. But they would be dismissed as a Region IV team that never played anyone.

But SLC had been good, but not great in 4A. They kept the same coach, many of the same kids, same everything, just a few more students, and won a class 5A championship in their first year. On another thread we have RI folks arguing that they are the real "Team of the Decade." I guess it was just that special magic that you get when realignment moves you up a class that made them the best team in Texas. Had they missed the cutoff again and won 4A in 2002, they wouldn't have been the best.

[Tsup]

why am I arguing with you, you just admitted you know all about it. Do you deny these kids were brought to the aschool to play football. My point has been made go away and :Censor: on someone elses leg :Censor:Can't believe you are a Trinity fan and think that private schools are the only one that do illegal stuff.
Funny you think though that everybody that leaves from a public to a private school is somehow recruted. I know exactly who you are talking about and in regards to Oak Ridge once again they are not a cash cow school that will just sit there and give scholarships to every athlete that walks through the door. If they did they would not have a school

[pied]

What's funny is that I was reading on another forum how Abilene had no chance against DBP because the only way to move the ball against them was in the air.

The comments are almost interchangable, funny.

[Firebird]

I don't know why we get so worked up about national disrespect. It's no disrespect to say that perhaps a team outside of Texas had the best football team in the nation. I never saw DBP, so I can't comment. Maybe AHS would have beaten them, maybe not. I would pull for the Eagles though.

Just enjoy the state championship. The Texas 5A champ will always be recognized as AMONG the best in the nation.

[pied]

I don't know why we get so worked up about national disrespect. It's no disrespect to say that perhaps a team outside of Texas had the best football team in the nation. I never saw DBP, so I can't comment. Maybe AHS would have beaten them, maybe not. I would pull for the Eagles though.

Just enjoy the state championship. The Texas 5A champ will always be recognized as AMONG the best in the nation.


Abiliene was not ranked in the top five to finish the regular season in the state on this site. It appears that those who feel this way have the thought that no matter the state champion, that they should be ranked #1 in the Nation.

http://www.5atexasfootball.com/ssp/top_25


Perhaps the rest of the country can simply leave #1 and #2 blank to fill in after the Texas state title games. Then we can fill in #10, #15, #20, and #25 empty as well to fill in those Texas teams till fill out the polls.

[TrojanHorse03]

These types of threads are lessons in futility.

Texas fans will never recognize or acknowledge that any OOS team can be the best in the country.


Though I'm sure you meant this in a demeaning manner, I'll put it like this if the other 49 states want to they can recognize Don Bosco as the champion in their states, I'm sure they're dying to...but Texas won't. The only champions of Texas, Texas recognizes is those who win its postseason tournaments, as it should be not any out of state poll winner.

Now IMO no less than those responsible for the national polls Don Bosco, Lake Travis, STA, Byrnes, Longview were good enough teams to win Texas 5A...equally as much as they were to get knocked off.

[twcpfan1]

Though I'm sure you meant this in a demeaning manner, I'll put it like this if the other 49 states want to they can recognize Don Bosco as the champion in their states, I'm sure they're dying to...but Texas won't. The only champions of Texas, Texas recognizes is those who win its postseason tournaments, as it should be not any out of state poll winner.

All evidence to the contrary. We're all over every thread about mythical national champions, particularly the ones that do not list a Texas team as #1.

Now IMO no less than those responsible for the national polls Don Bosco, Lake Travis, STA, Byrnes, Longview were good enough teams to win Texas 5A...equally as much as they were to get knocked off.

I agree. It's not a foregone conclusion either way. Except that LT and LV actually beat 2 very highly regarded 5A teams on the field including a State finalist and a team that beat a state champion. On the flipside, LV lost to Lufkin who went one and done in the playoffs. So it's all speculation and open to debate.

^^^

[E-Vol-ution]

I saw DBP against Prattville........and they are very good.
That being said Prattville a smashmouth team with less than stellar execution. Their defense is loaded with athletes, but their gap coverage was not well coached or played.
The DLS team that DBP beat changed QB's and a couple of other positions immediately and got great results......that is what I also believed put them over the hump.
Their SOS was still less than that of Abilene.
Naming DBP mythical champs is a oh well type thing to me.......there's nothing anybody can do about it.
And I disagree with it. But it was their's to win as opposed to their's to lose.......because their season was over at 12 and the same guys they play and beat in regular season are the guys they see for playoffs and their championship.

[TrojanHorse03]

All evidence to the contrary. We're all over every thread about mythical national champions, particularly the ones that do not list a Texas team as #1.


Evidence to the contrary Texas doesn't recognize Don Bosco as the champion of the Texas portion of the nation? What are you talking about? Last I checked beating the rest of New Jersey and out of state teams doesn't make you champion of Texas and vice versa. Don Bosco has done nothing in Texas much less win champion status in Texas on any field. However it is the media's champion.

[trojandad]

Well, someone with clout, $$$, & swagger needs to get those Jersey boys down here and play Abilene, Trinity, RR STP, or LT next year at Jerry World.

Let's sell that bi*@ out and show the world that Texas FB is still and will always be KING! :D

[dragonsdaddy]

These national polls are a joke. The only legitimate national polls I've ever seen were the ones from 1972 and 1989.

:D
lololololololol. at least you are consistent.

[twcpfan1]

Well, someone with clout, $$$, & swagger needs to get those Jersey boys down here and play Abilene, Trinity, RR STP, or LT next year at Jerry World.

Let's sell that bi*@ out and show the world that Texas FB is still and will always be KING! :D

Here's a thought. How about you get your Trinity boys to go play them at the Meadowlands under their rules officiated by their zebra crew.

[twcpfan1]

Evidence to the contrary Texas doesn't recognize Don Bosco as the champion of the Texas portion of the nation? What are you talking about? Last I checked beating the rest of New Jersey and out of state teams doesn't make you champion of Texas and vice versa. Don Bosco has done nothing in Texas much less win champion status in Texas on any field. However it is the media's champion.

I'm talking about from a fan's perspective. There is no official National HS Championship that I know of in any state.

[TrojanHorse03]

Here's a thought. How about you get your Trinity boys to go play them at the Meadowlands under their rules officiated by their zebra crew.

Who knows, Trinity will be probably play some top teams again in non-district but they may be from Texas so I'm not sure if that counts :rolleyes: .

[E-Vol-ution]

DBP never plays there.......there is no following.Here's a thought. How about you get your Trinity boys to go play them at the Meadowlands under their rules officiated by their zebra crew.

[TrojanHorse03]

I'm talking about from a fan's perspective. There is no official National HS Championship that I know of in any state.

Wholeheartedly agree.

[twcpfan1]

Who knows, Trinity will be probably play some top teams again in non-district but they may be from Texas so I'm not sure if that counts :rolleyes: .

Just that we're so quick to issue challenges to OOS teams as long as it takes place in our backyard. Not quite as quick with it if there's talk about playing them at theirs.

[twcpfan1]

DBP never plays there.......there is no following.

SLC does not typically play at Ford Field either but it was seen as a 'home' game for them when they played MNW.

You get my drift, right?

[TrojanHorse03]

Just that we're so quick to issue challenges to OOS teams as long as it takes place in our backyard. Not quite as quick with it if there's talk about playing them at theirs.

That's true. Personally I don't care about Don Bosco or whether they play a Texas team or not, Texas state titles are what Texas high school teams play for on the field.

[E-Vol-ution]

I get the drift.....perhaps a venue such as Rutgers would be more appropriate though.
They'd never get the Meadowlands.SLC does not typically play at Ford Field either but it was seen as a 'home' game for them when they played MNW.

You get my drift, right?

[farmerfan]

why am I arguing with you, you just admitted you know all about it. Do you deny these kids were brought to the aschool to play football. My point has been made go away and :Censor: on someone elses leg :Censor:

Yes I do deny t hey were brought in to play football. Why would you leave Trinity for a school such as Arlington Oak Ridge who plays in a very weak SPC division? Arlington Oak Ridge had never won anything in football, they are not known as a private school football powerhuse and never have been. Maybe though those kids did decide to leave Trinity because they and their parents chose to do so on their own accord. If Oak Ridge was just going out and looking for kids to bring in for football they would have gone after more than just those from Trinity, you would have seen kids from the Arlington Schools and others transfer over there to.

So now, for the 4th time, what was the name of that school who had all their kids on scholarship? You know the school you claim that your family member coached at?

[twcpfan1]

I get the drift.....perhaps a venue such as Rutgers would be more appropriate though.
They'd never get the Meadowlands.

Geeze man. I was just paralleling (if that's a word) the Cowboy Stadium reference I was responding to. How about I just say [insert name of NJ/NY stadium here]

[E-Vol-ution]

I wasn't trying to down your post......it's just that we are pretty unique in our following of the sport to just about any other place.
It's really a nonissue.
Geeze man. I was just paralleling (if that's a word) the Cowboy Stadium reference I was responding to. How about I just say [insert name of NJ/NY stadium here]

[pied]

Yes I do deny t hey were brought in to play football. Why would you leave Trinity for a school such as Arlington Oak Ridge who plays in a very weak SPC division? Arlington Oak Ridge had never won anything in football, they are not known as a private school football powerhuse and never have been. Maybe though those kids did decide to leave Trinity because they and their parents chose to do so on their own accord. If Oak Ridge was just going out and looking for kids to bring in for football they would have gone after more than just those from Trinity, you would have seen kids from the Arlington Schools and others transfer over there to.


I blame them for Lamar's decline.

[farmerfan]

I blame them for Lamar's decline.

I knew there had to be a reason. Makes perfect sense. I just used to blame the change of names from Wet N Wild to Hurricane Harbor :Censor:

[Hellhound]

....
Like I said, you substitute LT for Westlake in the 2009 playoffs and you have a team that is playing ET for all the marbles. And maybe winning them.

I agree with this....LT is the real deal.

LT has Katy & Westlake's quality/balanced game & coaching....but they have a little more talent (imo). They might very well have been zapped in the final by a hot Abilene or ET team....but they're definitely a top 5 team in the state (each of the past 2 years).

(& fwiw, had 4A Schertz Steele been in Westlake's D1 5A region (instead of being beat by LT in the 4A second round)....they would have met Westlake in the 5A regional final. I'm thinking Steele will be a power for years to come.)

[Hellhound]

There is no official National HS Championship that I know of in any state.

& since Jersey teams (or Ohio teams or FL teams) don't play Texas teams or each other, the declaration of a national champion is meaningless.

It's Oprah & figure skating inspired mental m*sturbation for the un-informed media.

The 6 games played by each of the Texas state champions means something.

(& the fact that some teams & district counterparts play each other from different state classifications allows us to intelligently argue what would happen if Abilene played ET or if LT played Klein (or ET).)

But naming a NJ team as HS football champ (to me) is like the media naming a NJ BBQ joint the best in the nation. :rolleyes:

Unless they played a Texas team, their designation means nothing.

[SLC]

Here's a thought. How about you get your Trinity boys to go play them at the Meadowlands under their rules officiated by their zebra crew.


Bingo. Thats what I'd love to see some of our teams do, not necessarily Trinity, but just in general. We've had some teams travel quite aways to play OOS teams, I think we should do it more often, if not at least after a team agree's to play us here.

[twcpfan1]

& since Jersey teams (or Ohio teams or FL teams) don't play Texas teams or each other, the declaration of a national champion is meaningless.

It's Oprah & figure skating inspired mental m*sturbation for the un-informed media.

The 6 games played by each of the Texas state champions means something.

(& the fact that some teams & district counterparts play each other from different state classifications allows us to intelligently argue what would happen if Abilene played ET or if LT played Klein (or ET).)

But naming a NJ team as HS football champ (to me) is like the media naming a NJ BBQ joint the best in the nation. :rolleyes:

Unless they played a Texas team, their designation means nothing.

Ok I get it. It's meaningless unless they play a Texas team. Brilliant.

Even your BBQ analogy sucks. Pork ribs is the best BBQ meat. Not Brisket :D

[Firebird]

Ok I get it. It's meaningless unless they play a Texas team. Brilliant.

Even your BBQ analogy sucks. Pork ribs is the best BBQ meat. Not Brisket :D

You go too far sir.

[twcpfan1]

You go too far sir.


Depends on your perspective. I do realize we do some pretty magical things with an otherwise inferior cut of meat and those of you who actually know what they're doing deserves :notworthy. But in the grand scheme of things, a lot of westernized nations only see it as fit for export to non developed countries and/or Puppy Chow,

[ThEgReAtOnE]

This is the 2nd email that TGO sent the Rivals Analyst, who comprised the Rivals (Yahoo) National ranking:

FYI...

Those teams do play, one another...

The Woodlands beat Katy, and played Round Rock Stony Point.

Katy played Cinco Ranch, North Shore, Abilene, New Braunfels, West Brook, and Bellevue-WA (State Champ).

Abilene played Tyler Lee (State Quarterfinalist), Abilene Cooper (State Semifinalist), Cedar Hill, Klein, Arlington Bowie (who beat Southlake Carroll) and Katy.

Dallas Skyline beat a very good Lake Highlands team, Arlington Bowie, and Desoto.

Cedar Hill beat Euless Trinity, Desoto, and Arlington Martin... all teams who could go toe-to-toe with Bosco.

Euless Trinity lost to Allen and Cedar Hill, but beat Round Rock Stony Point,

Austin Westlake, Bingham-UT (State Champ), Arlington Martin, and Arlington.

Round Rock Stony Point had to beat some tough teams, in Leander, The Woodlands, Alamo Heights (Top 5 in 4A), Tyler Lee, and Cy Woods.

Below is a comparison to the D1-talent level of just 5 or 6 of Texas top teams (minus Lake Travis) vs Don Bosco...

Don Bosco, NJ (11)
QB-Gary Nova
AP-Brandon Sacco
RB-Chris Burrell
RB-Tony Jones
WR-Jimmy Clark
OL-Peter Meile
DL-James Kittredge
DL-Bryan Murphy
LB-Ryan Cobb
LB-Steele Divitto
DB-Christopher Brady

Round Rock Stony Point (10)
QB-Aaryn Sharp
RB-Sam Kelly
AP-Malcolm Marks
TE-Gerard Shillow
OL-Connor Collins
DL-Jordan Wade
LB-Nathan Godfrey
DB-Kevin White
DB-Trevor Caswell
DB-Desmond Martin

Abilene (11)
QB-Ronnell Sims
RB-Herschel sims
WR-Darius Joseph
WR-Jarvis Hunter
TE-Parker McCay
OL-Drew Carroll
DE-Josh Brooks
LB-Chris Horton
S-Karsten Goodman
S-Jake Brooks
K-Randy McKay

Katy (12)
RB-Will Jeffrey
RB-Donovonn Young
AP-Vernon Jefferies
TE-Zach Swanson
OL-Shep Klinke
OL-Alfredo Gonzalez
OL-Ed Novak
DL-Nick Narcisse
DL-Michael Bray
LB-Jonathan Fisher
CB-Colt Atwood
S-Sam Holl

The Woodlands (13)
QB-Trent Eckel
QB-Cooper Woodyard
RB-Daniel Lasco
WR-Randy Knust
TE-Michael Cooper
OL-Chad Lindsay
OL-Adam Sibal
LB/S-Robert Bouthilet
LB-Tyler Joy
LB-Perry Cooper
LB-Nick Crewe
DL-Cody Davis
DB-Ryan Clapsaddle

Euless Trinity (17)
AP-Willie Hubbard
RB-Tevin Williams
RB-Darien Hart
AP-Terrance Tusan
WR-Brandon Carter
WR-Bobby Brown
TE-Nila Kneubuhl
OL-Andreu Kirby (6-4 325)
OL-Isikeli Cocker (6-3 300)
OL-Hiva Lutui (6-4 280)
OL-Henry Lea'aetoa (6-3 300)
DL-Suleiman Masumbuko (6-3 270)
DL-Alan Young (6-3 280)
LB-Sione Moeakiola
LB-Paul Olie
CB-Q'Niko Thomas
S-Jonathan Yenga

Cedar Hill (20)
QB-Driphus Jackson
RB-Ben Malena
RB-Mason Hayes
WR-John Coleman
WR-Tiquarrio Combs
WR-Lovett Gibson
WR-Oliver Wells
OL-Josh Allen
OL-Tom Kopp
OL-Adam Shead
DL-Jonathan Knight
DL-Larry Moore
DL-Brice Musgrove
LB-Aaron Benson
LB-Jeff Lark
LB-Josh Parks
LB-Christian White
DB-Elisha Olabode
DB-Spencer Phillips
K-duardo Camara

Dallas Skyline (23)
QB-Javia Hall
AP-Joe Powell
RB-Brandon Bowles
RB-Josh Wilkins
RB-Tony Drake
RB-Kelvin Pemberton
WR-Demarcus Burks
WR-Paul Dotson
WR-Mike Davis
OL-Andrew Callaway
OL-Graylin Hawkins
DL-Demarcus Shaw
DL-Tristan Turknett
DL-Rodney Williams
DL-Michael Jones
LB-Corey Nelson
LB-Domonique Patterson
LB-Anthony Wallace
DB-Darren Seamster
DB-Franklin Shannon
DB-Adrian James
DB-Adrian Lee
DB-Nick Freeman

The overall consensus in Texas is that Lake Travis is the best team... IN 4A! Until they step up to the 5A level and go through the 5A gauntlet to win it all, they will NOT be ranked the #1 overall team in Texas. Also, I could mention teams like Garland, Desoto, Cinco Ranch, FB Hightower, North Shore, Beaumont West Brook, Klein Forest, Klein Collins, Klein, Arlington, Arlington Martin, Arlington Bowie, Southlake Carroll, Allen, Lake Highlands, Plano, Odessa Permian, Midland Lee, Odessa, Lufkin, John Tyler, Tyler Lee, Longview, College Park, Aldine Eisenhower, Spring Westfield, Dickinson, Duncanville, Coppell, Flower Mound Marcus, Garland Rowlett, Garland Naaman Forest, Pearland, Pasadena Memorial, Houston Madison, Lake Dallas, Cibolo Steele, Aledo, Brenham, Angleton, Denton Guyer, Denton Ryan, Highland Park, and Lewisville Hebron... all teams that challenge - legitimately - for state titles, every year.

We Texans don't really need to hear about Don Bosco beating a good - but not great - De La Salle team.. or a Prattville team that wouldn't rank in the Texas Top 15-20. We don't need to hear about the "tough" level of competition that Don Bosco faced in New Jersey - schools likes Clifton (4-6), Passaic (5-5), Kennedy (3-7), Bergen Catholic (7-3), Passaic County Tech (7-3... JOKE!), St. Peter's Prep (twice/8-3.. beat no one!), Red Bank (6-4), Seton Hall (9-2... solid, but nothing special!), and St. Joseph's Regional (7-3).

I mean, how many of those school's, from New Jersey, were on your Top 100 National list? Anyhow, it's not a knock on you... I just know what I saw on the tv. Don Bosco did not scare anyone in Texas. Anyone!

Perhaps, next year, Don Bosco can fly down to Texas and play Euless Trinity. That would be excellent... we could then all see what us Texans already know... Texas Top 5 > Don Bosco!

Here is his first reply:

TGO,

Your knock on Lake Travis is as off base as your attack on Don Bosco.

Lake Travis opened the season by beating three straight 5A playoff teams… including a 21 point *** kicking handed out to Austin Westlake who went to overtime against Euless trinity before losing the Division I final…

Texas is the king of high school football – there is no doubting that – but the top 1% of teams across the country could compete in any state. Bosco is a team that can (and has) played everywhere.

They have 7 Division I players on defense … two on the offensive line and a DI runningback… they can handle the exact same schedule as Abilene with no problems.

DJ
RivalsHigh.com

Here's his 2nd reply:

TGO,

I just replied.

I don’t think I will ever convince you otherwise but to say the teams you listed with all those Division I players did not win states.

Skyline and all their talent lost to Cy Woods…

Stony Point was close… but didn’t make the finals…

Katy couldn’t score points all season…

Cedar Hill was a second round casualty and gave up 30+ points to 6 different teams (5 of which sucked)

So having all the talent those teams had they still were not on this elite level that you are making them out to be.

They are good team – damn good – but they didn’t get it done.

DJ
RivalsHigh.com

He fails to make an argument for the "SOS" or "lack there of" that Don Bosco had.

[dragonsdaddy]

Depends on your perspective. I do realize we do some pretty magical things with an otherwise inferior cut of meat and those of you who actually know what they're doing deserves :notworthy. But in the grand scheme of things, a lot of westernized nations only see it as fit for export to non developed countries and/or Puppy Chow,

and lots of those westernized countries enjoy a little snail with their meal too. and they think insects are better for the table than for bait. i guess i have no issues with ribs. in fact i've got a rack in the frig right now. they outlasted the brisket, but what do me and my family know.

[twcpfan1]

and lots of those westernized countries enjoy a little snail with their meal too. and they think insects are better for the table than for bait. i guess i have no issues with ribs. in fact i've got a rack in the frig right now. they outlasted the brisket, but what do me and my family know.


Probably a heck of a lot more than I do. I have never cooked a successful brisket in my lifetime and I've made several attempts. But I love eating the ones others cook properly.

However, I still have yet to have one better than the pork ribs we used to have at a friends place in the Woodz every July 4th before they moved back to No Cal. And as far as bought ones go, Tony Romas ribs are quite good also.

[dragonsdaddy]

Probably a heck of a lot more than I do. I have never cooked a successful brisket in my lifetime and I've made several attempts. But I love eating the ones others cook properly.

However, I still have yet to have one better than the pork ribs we used to have at a friends place in the Woodz every July 4th before they moved back to No Cal. And as far as bought ones go, Tony Romas ribs are quite good also.

the real secret besides serving the sauce on the side, is cooking while in no hurry. if you can't hold your hand over the meat without burning yourself, well it's too hot. in fact, if the fire is visible in the cooking area, you probably need to rearrange your priorities and get a proper bbq pit.

[Firebird]

A well cooked brisket will win hands down over even the best cooked ribs. The secret is indeed in cooking it properly. A pork rib is indeed a near perfect morsel for cooking over open flame while a brisket needs a bit more babying.

[twcpfan1]

A well cooked brisket will win hands down over even the best cooked ribs. The secret is indeed in cooking it properly. A pork rib is indeed a near perfect morsel for cooking over open flame while a brisket needs a bit more babying.

You know what's even better than pork ribs? It's what we refer to back home as bacon rashers. Probably referred to here as pork belly strips. All that fat really adds flavor.

Or take an entire pork belly, roast it and crisp up the skin.

[farmerfan]

A well cooked brisket will win hands down over even the best cooked ribs. The secret is indeed in cooking it properly. A pork rib is indeed a near perfect morsel for cooking over open flame while a brisket needs a bit more babying.

frijoles?

[MALAMEDICINA]

fajitas? menudo?

[Hellhound]

Ok I get it. It's meaningless unless they play a Texas team. Brilliant.

Even your BBQ analogy sucks. Pork ribs is the best BBQ meat. Not Brisket :D

Since others have correctly commented on BBQ. (Which in Jersey is defined as "an outdoor get together to cook some hot dogs & hamburgers with the peeps")

....i'll respond by repeating that:

1. A mythical Natl Championship is meaningless. (as is Dancing with the Stars, Figure Skating, the best BBQ in Jersey Championship....or any other Championship that is contrived & not decided on the field.

2. It might have SOME meaning (not much w/o a playoff...but some) if the National Champion played some of the better schools of Penn, Ohio, Florida, Cal &/or TEXAS (states where the best football is being played). Not only Texas...but yeah it would be better (in my mind) if they played a Texas team.

3. Since they didn't, it's meaningless.


(& dude.... rib meat is ok (as long as you don't put that god awful goopy sauce on it like Roma's does)....but if i'm gonna enjoy pork, i prefer the shoulder...cause you can smoke it low & slow (unlike a rib which will be charcoal after a few hours) & when the shoulder is done it breaks apart when you touch it. It's good with some spicy vinegar sauce.

but mostly i like beef....preferably from Luling....or Lockart....both of which has BBQ that (like my analogies)....does NOT suck.)


crap....i wasn't going to comment on baby back rib statement, but got carried away. :D

[twcpfan1]

Since others have correctly commented on BBQ. (Which in Jersey is defined as "an outdoor get together to cook some hot dogs & hamburgers with the peeps")

....i'll respond by repeating that:

1. A mythical Natl Championship is meaningless. (as is Dancing with the Stars, Figure Skating, the best BBQ in Jersey Championship....or any other Championship that is contrived & not decided on the field.

2. It might have SOME meaning (not much w/o a playoff...but some) if the National Champion played some of the better schools of Penn, Ohio, Florida, Cal &/or TEXAS (states where the best football is being played). Not only Texas...but yeah it would be better (in my mind) if they played a Texas team.

3. Since they didn't, it's meaningless.


(& dude.... rib meat is ok (as long as you don't put that god awful goopy sauce on it like Roma's does)....but if i'm gonna enjoy pork, i prefer the shoulder...cause you can smoke it low & slow (unlike a rib which will be charcoal after a few hours) & when the shoulder is done it breaks apart when you touch it. It's good with some spicy vinegar sauce.

but mostly i like beef....preferably from Luling....or Lockart....both of which has BBQ that (like my analogies)....does NOT suck.)


crap....i wasn't going to comment on baby back rib statement, but got carried away. :D

In the grand scheme of things, a BCS NC is no different than figure skating or gymnastics. Explain to me how it would make sense to most sports fans on the planet for Cincy, Boise State and TCU to be eliminated from Championship consideration when they have not lost a single game. They are judged by sportswriters and coaches with ulterior motives. At least Figure skaters and gymnasts perform back to back to back to back... and are judged by the same panel in a very short time span. Much more 'objective' compared to the BCS. This is pretty much what you're telling me. A team from NJ should never be considered for any mythical championship without playing the teams from the states you mentioned particularly Texas

Here's my problem with good BBQ the way you describe it. It's not cooked over open flame with non flavored charcoal . Anything you cover up and smoke while slow cooking and does not include that sizzling sound, stops being defined as BBQ.

[dragonsdaddy]

In the grand scheme of things, a BCS NC is no different than figure skating or gymnastics. Explain to me how it would make sense to most sports fans on the planet for Cincy, Boise State and TCU to be eliminated from Championship consideration when they have not lost a single game. They are judged by sportswriters and coaches with ulterior motives. At least Figure skaters and gymnasts perform back to back to back to back... and are judged by the same panel in a very short time span. Much more 'objective' compared to the BCS. This is pretty much what you're telling me. A team from NJ should never be considered for any mythical championship without playing the teams from the states you mentioned particularly Texas

Here's my problem with good BBQ the way you describe it. It's not cooked over open flame with non flavored charcoal . Anything you cover up and smoke while slow cooking and does not include that sizzling sound, stops being defined as grilling.
fify

[chhspantherfan]

....but if i'm gonna enjoy pork, i prefer the shoulder...cause you can smoke it low & slow (unlike a rib which will be charcoal after a few hours) & when the shoulder is done it breaks apart when you touch it. It's good with some spicy vinegar sauce.

but mostly i like beef....preferably from Luling....or Lockart....both of which has BBQ that (like my analogies)....does NOT suck.)


crap....i wasn't going to comment on baby back rib statement, but got carried away. :D

pork shoulder with spicy vinegar is awesome and the best comes from the Carolinas.

For my money and tastebuds, the area east of Austin is the mecca. Here is your tour guide. Enjoy !!!!




1. Cooper's BBQ
403 N. Mays, Round Rock, 255-5638

The second generation of a Hill Country BBQ legend, Gary Cooper's been serving his family's style of barbecue in downtown Round Rock since 1985.



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2. Louie Mueller Barbecue
206 W. Second, Taylor, 512/352-6206

The quality of meats served in this no frills downtown Taylor storefront has remained unchanged for more than 50 years. Savory meat jus with every order and a tangy potato salad round out the meal.



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3. Rudy Mikeska's
300 W. Second, Taylor, 512/365-3722

The Taylor store is the cradle of the "first family" of Texas barbecue where they serve great meats and nontraditional sides dishes in a cafeteria-like setting.



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4. Cross-Town Bar-B-Q
202 S. Ave. C, Elgin, 281-5594

Look for this place off the beaten path if you prefer your brisket, pork ribs, mutton, and all-beef sausage down home, greasy and full of flavor, smoked over a slow oak fire.



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5. Southside Market & Barbecue
1212 U.S. 290 E., Elgin, 281-4650

This more-than-100-year-old sausage factory is one of the main reasons Elgin is known as the "sausage capital of Texas." Great varieties of sausage and $2 per pound brisket trimmings are a real treat, too.



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6. Meyer's Elgin Smokehouse
188 U.S. 290 E., Elgin, 281-3331

The current generation of sausage-making Meyer brothers expanded the successful family sausage business in 1988 to include a casual restaurant where they serve smoked pork ribs, turkey breast, and brisket.



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7. Kreuz Market
619 N. Colorado, Lockhart, 512/398-2361

Rick Schmidt carries on the family tradition in his big new building on Hwy. 183 S., where there's plenty of room for tour buses and regular customers alike.



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8. Black's Barbecue
215 N. Main, Lockhart, 512/398-2712

Bragging rights in this longtime Lockhart mainstay are that Black's is the oldest barbecue restaurant around continually operated by the same family. Nationwide shipping available.



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9. Smitty's Market
208 S. Commerce, Lockhart, 512/398-9344

This historic old building certainly qualifies as Texas barbecue hallowed ground, as it was home to the legendary Kreuz Market for years before Nina Schmidt Sells inherited it and opened her own store.



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10. Luling City Market
633 East Davis, near US Hwy 183, Luling, 830/875-9019

One of City Market's claims to fame is that they don't have any forks in the restaurant. That's because their brisket is so fall-apart tender you'll want to feel how good it is. You buy all meats by the pound (or link) in the smokehouse in the back of the dining hall.



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11. Fushak's Pit BBQ
920 Hwy. 80, San Marcos, 512/353-2713

Meats here are smoked over hickory in a rotisserie pit and emerge ultra-moist and juicy. Traditional side plus homemade banana pudding and pecan pie.



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12. The Salt Lick
18300 FM 1826, Driftwood, 894-3117

Folks drive from all over Central Texas to relax among the picnic tables at the rustic outdoor pavillion and eat their barbecue family-style.


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13. R.O.'s Outpost
Hwy. 71 W. at Hazy Hills Dr. (17 miles west of Y in Oak Hill), Spicewood, 264-1169

Complete barbecue menu is available here as well as chicken fried steak and fried quail. No matter how much meat you eat, you must save room for the stellar pies.



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14. Opie's Barbecue
Hwy. 71 W. (20 miles past intersection w/ RR 620, turn right at gas station) beyond Spicewood, 830/693-8660

Choose pork chops, pork ribs, sausage, brisket, chicken, and sometimes cabrito from the 12-foot smoke pit, have it sauced, sit at the picnic tables and chow on down.



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15. Pete Mesquite Bar-B-Que
2407 Hwy. 281 N., Marble Falls, 830/693-6531

Regularly voted the best barbecue in Burnet County, this place offers a tasty to-go menu for lake-bound boaters and picnic-goers, easy to grab from the drive-through window.



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16. Inman's Ranch House Barbecue
Hwy. 281 N. at Sixth St., Marble Falls, 830/693-2711

Affordable prices and good meat have kept the working man coming back here for over 35 years.



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17. Inman's Kitchen
809 W. Young (Hwy. 71 W.), Llano, 915/247-5257

The treasured family recipe for turkey sausage is what originally put Inman's on the map, and it's still as good as it ever was.



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18. Cooper's Barbecue
604 W. Young (Hwy. 71 W.), Llano, 915/247-5713

Still the most famous of all the Cooper's outlets, this joint is admired by deer hunters from all over the country who make an annual pilgrimage to Llano to hunt and eat their barbecue here.



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19. Cooper's Old Time Pit Bar-B-Q
Hwy. 87 S., Mason, 915/347-6897

The original outlet founded by George T. Cooper is still smokin' after all these years, successfully operated by Duard Dockal for nearly 20 years since the old man retired.

[twcpfan1]

Ok here's my problem...

Somebody should be able to suggest .. 'Let's do BBQ for dinner' at the spur of the moment.

You can't very well do that if the meat is going to take 20 hours to cook or not much fun if all it means is running to Rudy's.


Gotta be able to run to Randalls, pick up some pork, smother it in Sweet Baby Rays, Jack Daniels or Tony Romas and throw it on the grill. Throw back a few tins while you're waiting and start eating a few minutes later.

[chhspantherfan]

Ok here's my problem...

Somebody should be able to suggest .. 'Let's do BBQ for dinner' at the spur of the moment.

You can't very well do that if the meat is going to take 20 hours to cook or not much fun if all it means is running to Rudy's.


Gotta be able to run to Randalls, pick up some pork, smother it in Sweet Baby Rays, Jack Daniels or Tony Romas and throw it on the grill. Throw back a few tins while you're waiting and start eating a few minutes later.

tough to do......it takes time to make it right. the other key variable is the seasoning of the smoker/grill. a new grill won't produce the same quality of meat as a well seasoned one. This takes time also. If you want to have "quick" BBQ, then you will need to find take out.

[yallerjacket2]

These polls are just dumb.
If Texas teams do not make up at least the top 5 and probably should be the top 10 then they are not legit.

TexasFrog, how did you get farmer's password? :Censor:

[twcpfan1]

tough to do......it takes time to make it right. the other key variable is the seasoning of the smoker/grill. a new grill won't produce the same quality of meat as a well seasoned one. This takes time also. If you want to have "quick" BBQ, then you will need to find take out.

On the flipside, cooking something for 20 hours would zap all of the meat's God given attributes.

Grilling allows you the option to cook a steak extra rare if pork is not your meat of choice. Salmon also tastes great undercooked.

[chhspantherfan]

On the flipside, cooking something for 20 hours would zap all of the meat's God given attributes.

Grilling allows you the option to cook a steak extra rare if pork is not your meat of choice. Salmon also tastes great undercooked.

agreed, but grilling and cooking BBQ are two different things. I love a rare steak, prefer my salmon raw, but Elgin sausage or a smoked brisket are at the top of my list.

[twcpfan1]

agreed, but grilling and cooking BBQ are two different things. I love a rare steak, prefer my salmon raw, but Elgin sausage or a smoked brisket are at the top of my list.

I've eaten at Southside Market in Elgin. I know where you're coming from.

[cougmantx]

Brisket is KING...:notworthy

Best BBQ in Texas....:D

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[chhspantherfan]

Brisket is KING...:notworthy

Best BBQ in Texas....:D

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:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy

[JagFan]

tough to do......it takes time to make it right. the other key variable is the seasoning of the smoker/grill. a new grill won't produce the same quality of meat as a well seasoned one. This takes time also. If you want to have "quick" BBQ, then you will need to find take out.

:notworthy:notworthy

We are having our smoker re sanded and painted because we cannot get the same taste with a new one.

and yes quick is takeout. :notworthy

[chhspantherfan]

:notworthy:notworthy

We are having our smoker re sanded and painted because we cannot get the same taste with a new one.

and yes quick is takeout. :notworthy


my two cents about smokers---

burn pecan and mesquite in the fire box for several hours prior to cooking in it for the first time. The smoke will bond to the surfaces and begin the seasoning that it needs.

[JagFan]

my two cents about smokers---

burn pecan and mesquite in the fire box for several hours prior to cooking in it for the first time. The smoke will bond to the surfaces and begin the seasoning that it needs.

I was going to get my husband a new one for Christmas but he likes the old one. It is on a trailer and he can cook up to 12 briskets at a time. So I am going to have it painted and prettied up for him. He claims that it would take a while to get the same flavor in a new one and he knows our current one and just how to use it.

Men and their toys. ;)

[cougmantx]

my two cents about smokers---

burn pecan and mesquite in the fire box for several hours prior to cooking in it for the first time. The smoke will bond to the surfaces and begin the seasoning that it needs.

Just remember that Mesquite will leave a taste whether you burn it all the time or not. Once you season your smoker with it then you will always have a slight taste of Mesquite. Personally, I really like the flavor it imparts as long as it is not to overwhelming. It burns hot so a little goes a long way.

[chhspantherfan]

Just remember that Mesquite will leave a taste whether you burn it all the time or not. Once you season your smoker with it then you will always have a slight taste of Mesquite. Personally, I really like the flavor it imparts as long as it is not to overwhelming. It burns hot so a little goes a long way.

you are exactly right. I am a big Pecan fan but use the mesquite to get that taste. Too bad the menu is set or I would be firing it up right now. :D

[pied]

In the grand scheme of things, a BCS NC is no different than figure skating or gymnastics. Explain to me how it would make sense to most sports fans on the planet for Cincy, Boise State and TCU to be eliminated from Championship consideration when they have not lost a single game. They are judged by sportswriters and coaches with ulterior motives. At least Figure skaters and gymnasts perform back to back to back to back... and are judged by the same panel in a very short time span. Much more 'objective' compared to the BCS. This is pretty much what you're telling me. A team from NJ should never be considered for any mythical championship without playing the teams from the states you mentioned particularly Texas.



I'd suggest that playoffs simply reward the hot team in the end. In my opinion leagues like the EPL have the ebst system to award a championhsip.

20 teams, and you play every team home and away. 3 points for a win and 1 point for a tie. Most points at the end, wins the title.

[The Observer]

I will never, EVER, for the life of me understand why anyone cares about national polls. I just don't get it. Who cares? The thing that makes Texas football the best is not that its best teams can beat any team from outside the state. Its that on any given night during the fall, there will be countless games with 10,000+, or countless small school games where the towns turn out the lights as they leave. It happens everywhere across the state. Its magical. If you win state in Texas, you've accomplished everything you possibly ever could, had to win 6 staright games, and probably played in front of the biggest high school crowds in the nation. Why do you need some writer that lives up North telling you you've accomplished something great, or greater than you already have? I wish we could just tune out the national polls and understand that all that matters is winning state titles in Texas. Anything beyond that is irrelevant.

And on the other argument, I hope no one is really ignorant enough to think Lake Travis couldn't play with anybody in the state. Its been proven many, many times - the best teams in 4A are going to be able to hang with 5A. Lake Travis is a machine.

[Hellhound]

In the grand scheme of things, a BCS NC is no different than figure skating or gymnastics. Explain to me how it would make sense to most sports fans on the planet for Cincy, Boise State and TCU to be eliminated from Championship consideration when they have not lost a single game. They are judged by sportswriters and coaches with ulterior motives. At least Figure skaters and gymnasts perform back to back to back to back... and are judged by the same panel in a very short time span. Much more 'objective' compared to the BCS. This is pretty much what you're telling me. A team from NJ should never be considered for any mythical championship without playing the teams from the states you mentioned particularly Texas

Here's my problem with good BBQ the way you describe it. It's not cooked over open flame with non flavored charcoal . Anything you cover up and smoke while slow cooking and does not include that sizzling sound, stops being defined as BBQ.

We agree.

Ever since the BCS cr*p system was instituted (as a supposed solution to crowing a national champion) there's only been one year when an undisputed champion has been decided (Vince's year).

Even this year, when my longhorns win or lose in Pasadena, there will (probably) be 2 other undefeated teams. Whoever wins in Pasadena gets an asterik.....just like 11 out of the 12 prior (supposed) BCS champions.

So we agree (for college & HS). Even if ABILENE won the mythical national championship it would be meaningless....& the NJ team winning it is also meaningless (actually less than meaningless...if such a thing existed. ;)).

[pied]

We agree.

Ever since the BCS cr*p system was instituted (as a supposed solution to crowing a national champion) there's only been one year when an undisputed champion has been decided (Vince's year).

Even this year, when my longhorns win or lose in Pasadena, there will (probably) be 2 other undefeated teams. Whoever wins in Pasadena gets an asterik.....just like 11 out of the 12 prior (supposed) BCS champions.

So we agree (for college & HS). Even if ABILENE won the mythical national championship it would be meaningless....& the NJ team winning it is also meaningless (actually less than meaningless...if such a thing existed. ;)).

1999 #1 undefeated Florida State met undefeated #2 Va Tech, who was the other undefeated team?
2002 #1 undefeated Miami played #2 undefeated tOSU, who was the other undefeated team?

Did you prefer the Bowl Coalition or the previous bowl allignment? Cotton- SWC, Rose Big 10/Pac 10?

Who is the 5A state champion, Trinity or Abilene? Who is the best team in Texas, Lake Travis?

[Warbird_Dad]

I will never, EVER, for the life of me understand why anyone cares about national polls. I just don't get it. Who cares? The thing that makes Texas football the best is not that its best teams can beat any team from outside the state. Its that on any given night during the fall, there will be countless games with 10,000+, or countless small school games where the towns turn out the lights as they leave. It happens everywhere across the state. Its magical. If you win state in Texas, you've accomplished everything you possibly ever could, had to win 6 staright games, and probably played in front of the biggest high school crowds in the nation. Why do you need some writer that lives up North telling you you've accomplished something great, or greater than you already have? I wish we could just tune out the national polls and understand that all that matters is winning state titles in Texas. Anything beyond that is irrelevant.

And on the other argument, I hope no one is really ignorant enough to think Lake Travis couldn't play with anybody in the state. Its been proven many, many times - the best teams in 4A are going to be able to hang with 5A. Lake Travis is a machine.

:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy

[twcpfan1]

1999 #1 undefeated Florida State met undefeated #2 Va Tech, who was the other undefeated team?
2002 #1 undefeated Miami played #2 undefeated tOSU, who was the other undefeated team?

Did you prefer the Bowl Coalition or the previous bowl allignment? Cotton- SWC, Rose Big 10/Pac 10?

Who is the 5A state champion, Trinity or Abilene? Who is the best team in Texas, Lake Travis?

And there you have it. Gymnastics and Figure Skating are the only sports that produce true champions.

[Ltcav83]

This is the 2nd email that TGO sent the Rivals Analyst, who comprised the Rivals (Yahoo) National ranking:



Here is his first reply:



Here's his 2nd reply:



He fails to make an argument for the "SOS" or "lack there of" that Don Bosco had.

LT was the best team in the state this year. Your "gauntlet" that you speak of is chock full of bad teams whether they are 4A or 5A. L
T would drill a bad 5A team just like they would a bad 4A team and have their subs in the third quarter against 5A teams.

Fact remains that ET beat Westlake in OT and LT drilled them by 3 touchdowns. By the way Steele and Longview would both have had deep runs in either 5A bracket.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

LT was the best team in the state this year. Your "gauntlet" that you speak of is chock full of bad teams whether they are 4A or 5A. L
T would drill a bad 5A team just like they would a bad 4A team and have their subs in the third quarter against 5A teams.

Fact remains that ET beat Westlake in OT and LT drilled them by 3 touchdowns. By the way Steele and Longview would both have had deep runs in either 5A bracket.

Subjective. Cool. We will never know.

[abileneeagles311]

LT was the best team in the state this year. Your "gauntlet" that you speak of is chock full of bad teams whether they are 4A or 5A. L
T would drill a bad 5A team just like they would a bad 4A team and have their subs in the third quarter against 5A teams.

Fact remains that ET beat Westlake in OT and LT drilled them by 3 touchdowns. By the way Steele and Longview would both have had deep runs in either 5A bracket.
you talk about LT beating ET. but what about AE

[Hellhound]

I said undisputed....not undefeated, but you're right, 1999 & 2002 delivered a solid #1 & #2 in the title game. (Although i probably thought at the time that a one loss Nebraska team was far superior to a no loss Va Tech team).

1999 #1 undefeated Florida State met undefeated #2 Va Tech, who was the other undefeated team?
2002 #1 undefeated Miami played #2 undefeated tOSU, who was the other undefeated team?

Did you prefer the Bowl Coalition or the previous bowl allignment? Cotton- SWC, Rose Big 10/Pac 10?

Who is the 5A state champion, Trinity or Abilene? Who is the best team in Texas, Lake Travis?

I hate both "arrangements". But I hate the Bowl Coalition more because it smugly suggests it has THE answer.....when 11 out of 12 times (or 9 out of 12 times) it absolutely failed to deliver. The old bowl system never suggested it had THE answer to name a national champion. (The Rose Bowl never gave a rat....they just wanted the game & parade to be on Jan. 1).

But more importantly....an 8 or 16 team playoff....utilizing some/most of the current bowls would identify the champion & be absolutely orgasmic. In fact if they had it THIS year, I could watch some REAL, high quality, football (that mattered to the teams) this long holiday weekend instead of a bunch of 6-6 teams playing in contrived crap bowls.


Regarding LT vs. Abilene or ET being the best....i don't know. I think all 3 could win if they played well. I'd root for Abilene, but i truly wouldn't have a problem with any of those 3 teams being 1, 2 or 3 on anyone's list.

& FWIW I like the current Texas playoff system & have NO problem with 10-11 teams being able to claim being "State Champ". College is different though. A 16 team (which could morph into a 32 team) playoff is doable & would be orgasmic.

[pied]

Just so I'm clear you're in favor of a system that used to award one champion(UIL), but not in one put in place, to find the top two teams?

[trojanbacker]

you are exactly right. I am a big Pecan fan but use the mesquite to get that taste. Too bad the menu is set or I would be firing it up right now. :D

Another area of expertise?

[Hellhound]

Just so I'm clear you're in favor of a system that used to award one champion(UIL), but not in one put in place, to find the top two teams?

I'm not sure what you're asking....but i'll try to answer.


I'm in favor of dropping a nuclear bomb on the BCS system. (for college)


For HS, I have no problem with awarding multiple "state champs" (for different sized schools).....since:

- it makes sense (to me). I like the idea of Goldthwaite AND Trinity getting trophys.
- They've been doing it for 50+ years.
- Discussion on whether LT, Abilene or ET is the best team.... (to me) is fun....I don't have anything else to do this week since crap bowl games are on.

:)

[mdfootball]

No disrespect to the Catholic schools but can you imagine playing for "Our Lady of Good Counsel"...national powerhouse...???

funny you bring that up. They are located about 20 minutes from the high school I coach at. Let me tell you, they have some horses, they recruit like crazy. Our middle school football games have dozens of private school recruiters at all of them. And at one JV game this fall one of my lineman said hey coach, look at this. Lo and Behold, a local private school head coach had given him his business card.

[pied]

I'm not sure what you're asking....but i'll try to answer.


I'm in favor of dropping a nuclear bomb on the BCS system. (for college)


For HS, I have no problem with awarding multiple "state champs" (for different sized schools).....since:

- it makes sense (to me). I like the idea of Goldthwaite AND Trinity getting trophys.
- They've been doing it for 50+ years.
- Discussion on whether LT, Abilene or ET is the best team.... (to me) is fun....I don't have anything else to do this week since crap bowl games are on.

:)

Not quite, 1990 was the first year there were two 5A champions. 4A was several years after that. It wasn't until the mid to late 70's that anyone besides the District Champion made the playoffs.

If buy 50 you meant 20, you migh be on to something.

Funny enough, D1 college football didn't even count the bowl games in the final polls until the early 70's and there have been multiple champs since basically they started playing, but you want to blow that up.

[AbEagleFan]

LT was the best team in the state this year. Your "gauntlet" that you speak of is chock full of bad teams whether they are 4A or 5A. L
T would drill a bad 5A team just like they would a bad 4A team and have their subs in the third quarter against 5A teams.

Fact remains that ET beat Westlake in OT and LT drilled them by 3 touchdowns. By the way Steele and Longview would both have had deep runs in either 5A bracket.

Of course they were, in 4A.
Nobody with brain's would determine the outcome of a mythical matchup based on common opponents, especially this late in the season. The Westlake team you played earlier in the season was not the same team that played in the final last weekend.

Anyway, no way you beat Abilene, no way.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

Not quite, 1990 was the first year there were two 5A champions. 4A was several years after that. It wasn't until the mid to late 70's that anyone besides the District Champion made the playoffs.

If buy 50 you meant 20, you migh be on to something.

Funny enough, D1 college football didn't even count the bowl games in the final polls until the early 70's and there have been multiple champs since basically they started playing, but you want to blow that up.

Pretty sure he meant "awarding state champion trophies to different classifications"... something the state HAS been doing for 50+ years! Stop trying to stand on a pedestal and "denounce or one-up" everyone pied... it makes you look desperate.

[pied]

Pretty sure he meant "awarding state champion trophies to different classifications"... something the state HAS been doing for 50+ years! Stop trying to stand on a pedestal and "denounce or one-up" everyone pied... it makes you look desperate.

ou sucks

[Ltcav83]

you talk about LT beating ET. but what about AE

Not sure. Abilene was GOOD. I would love to see that game played.

[Ltcav83]

Of course they were, in 4A.
Nobody with brain's would determine the outcome of a mythical matchup based on common opponents, especially this late in the season. The Westlake team you played earlier in the season was not the same team that played in the final last weekend.

Anyway, no way you beat Abilene, no way.

How about if I just make an observation after seeing the two teams. Both were great teams. For you to say no way is just you being a homer. Plenty of others if not most others think differently. I happen to think that it would be a great game with LT coming out on top. I am not so dogmatic to think that there is no way Abilene would win. They just might. Both had great seasons.

[farmerfan]

LT was the best team in the state this year. Your "gauntlet" that you speak of is chock full of bad teams whether they are 4A or 5A. L
T would drill a bad 5A team just like they would a bad 4A team and have their subs in the third quarter against 5A teams.

Fact remains that ET beat Westlake in OT and LT drilled them by 3 touchdowns. By the way Steele and Longview would both have had deep runs in either 5A bracket.

While I can't speak for Steele I can for Longview. You use a common oppoennte for both ET and LT as if it were fact how a game would turn out but then you come back with Longview would make a deep playoff run in Texas when in fact they lost to Lufkin who never made it out of round 1. Just saying

[Hellhound]

Pretty sure he meant "awarding state champion trophies to different classifications"... something the state HAS been doing for 50+ years! Stop trying to stand on a pedestal and "denounce or one-up" everyone pied... it makes you look desperate.

Correct.

What i (basically) said was they've been handing out multiple trophys each year....to different sized schools....aka different classifications. (for 50+ years) Which is why i mentioned ET and Goldthwaite in the same bullet points.


(so imo there's nothing wrong with ET, Abilene & LT to all have a trophy....& Gilmer & Aledo & Goldthwaite too.)


But scr*w it.....some p*ckerheads think if you're against one thing, then you must be for something else....without realizing there might be a third way.

Just because i've been a virgin all my life (the original bowl system the first 90 years).......don't hand me a watermelon....or a goat (the BCS system the past 12 years).......& expect me to be satisfied. Not when Salma Hayak (a 16 or 32 team playoff system) is available.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

Correct.

What i (basically) said was they've been handing out multiple trophys each year....to different sized schools....aka different classifications. (for 50+ years)


(so imo there's nothing wrong with ET, Abilene & LT to all have a trophy....& Gilmer & Aledo & Goldthwaite too.)

& there's nothing wrong with discussing here if ET is better than LT.....or if Gilmer is better than Aledo....which they aren't ;)).

You and I are on the same page. pied is of a different breed... the "objective-only" breed! Don't ever ask him a "WHY" question. For example, if you ask him "Why is man on Earth?".. he'll give you stats on some ancient methodical calculation that explains the answer. If you ask him to be subjective on the matter, he'll nearly croak of actual brain usage.

[pied]

Correct.

What i (basically) said was they've been handing out multiple trophys each year....to different sized schools....aka different classifications. (for 50+ years)


(so imo there's nothing wrong with ET, Abilene & LT to all have a trophy....& Gilmer & Aledo & Goldthwaite too.)

& there's nothing wrong with discussing here if ET is better than LT.....or if Gilmer is better than Aledo....which they aren't ;)).

Trinity and Abilene are in the same classification.

[Hellhound]

Trinity and Abilene are in the same classification.

Not only that....they have the same number of letters.

[pied]

Not only that....they have the same number of letters.

True, and both Texas 5A champs!

[cougmantx]

How about if I just make an observation after seeing the two teams. Both were great teams. For you to say no way is just you being a homer. Plenty of others if not most others think differently. I happen to think that it would be a great game with LT coming out on top. I am not so dogmatic to think that there is no way Abilene would win. They just might. Both had great seasons.

Truthfully, I sick of hearing about Lake Travis. They are not 5a, when and if they are then we can discuss them on this board.

Scoot along little guy...

[twcpfan1]

Truthfully, I sick of hearing about Lake Travis. They are not 5a, when and if they are then we can discuss them on this board.

Scoot along little guy...

Wow. You're from Katy and you're complaining about a team being overly discussed?? :D


Just kidding man. Merry Christmas :)

[cougmantx]

You and I are on the same page. pied is of a different breed... the "objective-only" breed! Don't ever ask him a "WHY" question. For example, if you ask him "Why is man on Earth?".. he'll give you stats on some ancient methodical calculation that explains the answer. If you ask him to be subjective on the matter, he'll nearly croak of actual brain usage.

That's why there are engineers and writers...

I'm not a stats man, I can be but find it mundane. On the other hand I marvel at the people on the board that seem to have stats at their finger tips. I have often wondered how many high school football pages of stats they have on their favorites to pull up when needed.

I on the other hand am more interested in my observations of individuals (which limits my ability to respond sometimes) than I am in looking up stats.

I guess my point is, it takes both to make the world go round. I have read many of TGO's post and gone wow. I have read many of Pied post and gone wow. I don't see that either is wrong and I sometimes question the way stats are applied improperly or used out of context to make a point the poster is attempting to make.

I'm just a homer and that is fine with me...others hate that but they can post stats that I can then enjoy, while maintaining my belief they are wrong...:D

[cougmantx]

Wow. You're from Katy and you're complaining about a team being overly discussed?? :D


Just kidding man. Merry Christmas :)

Can you say irnonic....:D

Merry Christmas to you and yours...

[pied]

You and I are on the same page. pied is of a different breed... the "objective-only" breed! Don't ever ask him a "WHY" question. For example, if you ask him "Why is man on Earth?".. he'll give you stats on some ancient methodical calculation that explains the answer. If you ask him to be subjective on the matter, he'll nearly croak of actual brain usage.

Brilliant analysis and ou still sucks

[farmerfan]

Brilliant analysis and ou still sucks

So Pied, why is man on earth?




:D

[pied]

So Pied, why is man on earth?

:D

I think Stefan Djordjevic said it best in All the Right Moves.

[Ltcav83]

Truthfully, I sick of hearing about Lake Travis. They are not 5a, when and if they are then we can discuss them on this board.

Scoot along little guy...

Thanks, but I will just talk football on this board. Maybe you would be in a better humor to discuss if Katy had won. It is just talk man. If you did not want to, you did not have to respond.

Skip you cute little demeaning comments. They make you look like a loser.

[farmerfan]

I think Stefan Djordjevic said it best in All the Right Moves.

Is that a song or something :D

[pied]

Is that a song or something :D

Think Friday Night Lights, before Friday Night Lights and in Pennsylvania not in Texas, and with Tom Cruise and not Billy Bob Thorton.

[twcpfan1]

Is that a song or something :D

It's a movie from the 80's where Lea Thompson get naked. She might be too old for you now.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

Brilliant analysis and ou still sucks

subjectivity..
i never thought knew you had in you..
congrats..

[twcpfan1]

Think Friday Night Lights, before Friday Night Lights and in Pennsylvania not in Texas, and with Tom Cruise and not Billy Bob Thorton.

Actually Tom Cruise = Lucas Black

Billy Bob Thornton = Craig T Nelson

[pied]

Actually Tom Cruise = Lucas Black

Billy Bob Thornton = Craig T Nelson

Good correction. Didn't feel like looking it up.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

Actually Tom Cruise = Lucas Black

Billy Bob Thornton = Craig T Nelson

He's trying...
At least give him that...

[twcpfan1]

Good correction. Didn't feel like looking it up.

Oh no problems. Still busy picturing Lea 25 years ago .LOL

[ThEgReAtOnE]

Good correction. Didn't feel like looking it up.

Didn't feel like stat dropping?
Who are you and what have you done with pied?

[pied]

He's trying...
At least give him that...

Thanks for the compliment

[pied]

Didn't feel like stat dropping?
Who are you and what have you done with pied?


Someone who is late leaving to pick up the kids!

[yankee]

Brisket is KING...:notworthy

Best BBQ in Texas....:D

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i officially hate you for posting that. OMG. that brisket looks amazing, AND washed down with shiner??

[cougmantx]

It's a movie from the 80's where Lea Thompson get naked. She might be too old for you now.

I missed Lea Thompson getting naked...:( I bet she was perky...:D

[yankee]

Thanks for the compliment

i laughed.

[twcpfan1]

I missed Lea Thompson getting naked...:( I bet she was perky...:D

As I recall, the particular scene in the movie did not leave a whole lot to the imagination.. You see quite a bit of her :D

[cougmantx]

i officially hate you for posting that. OMG. that brisket looks amazing, AND washed down with shiner??

Thanks, it was. One of my favorite things to do in the spring, summer and fall. BBQ, Shiner, house full of friends...great days!

[cougmantx]

As I recall, the particular scene in the movie did not leave a whole lot to the imagination.. You see quite a bit of her :D

Checking Netfilx now...:D

[farmerfan]

It's a movie from the 80's where Lea Thompson get naked. She might be too old for you now.

I like em old though. It's why I frequent the older bars instead of the college ones now :cool:

[farmerfan]

Think Friday Night Lights, before Friday Night Lights and in Pennsylvania not in Texas, and with Tom Cruise and not Billy Bob Thorton.

Thanks. Aren't the uniforms like black and yello and the coach in that movie is the guy who played Coach Hayden Fox on Coach?
Doesn't Tom Cruise get kicked out of his house?

Man why would they ever have a movie about Pennsylvania HS Football? Their football is terrible and boring and their best could not even beat the best 2A in Texas, sheesh.

[warbird00]

So you think that LT very likely loses to Westlake who went to overtime with Trinity? Wow, I could have sworn that LT already played Westlake this year and blew them away, 42-21. Unlike you, I was at that game and unlike you I saw LT play all year. You are right though, you should not go on and talk about LT because it is very obvious that you know nothing about them.

If you ask most unbiased observers, they would probably tell you that LT was the best team in the state last year and this year as well. They are in the top ten of 5 of the "national" polls. But you are probably right, in 5A they probably might not make it past the 1st round. What a joke.

No, I dont think, I know. LT, imo, did not play very well for a final game. it wasnt a comment on the team, it was a comment on their play and I stand by it. Of course I wouldnt say on their best day LT loses to Westlake, that games been done. What I do say is that if they play that game in a 5a championship they'll lose to each of the 5a contenders. We dont usually get the luxory of turnovers and sloppy play. You guys did. So, why dont you try understanding what I'm saying first.

Now, speaking of seeing teams, how many Abilene games did you catch? How do you suppose your defense slows them down? And since we easily score twice as much as Longview, plus the two turnovers you gave up, just how many points do you think your offense puts on our defense that Cedar Hill and Bowie couldnt? Anyhow I do think LT the team is top five in the state, maybe even two or three. And it may have been a pretty good game, but LT doesnt win. Why? Like i said too many mistakes, and no possible why that defense stops our offense. We already faced the best defense in this entire state at Katy and scored 28. Anyhow as far as unbiased voters go, i think you're losing that arguement, and while i put little merit in national polls, how many of them were you ahead of Abilene? 1 or 2 of 7? Are they biased too? Now what?

[Ltcav83]

No, I dont think, I know. LT, imo, did not play very well for a final game. it wasnt a comment on the team, it was a comment on their play and I stand by it. Of course I wouldnt say on their best day LT loses to Westlake, that games been done. What I do say is that if they play that game in a 5a championship they'll lose to each of the 5a contenders. We dont usually get the luxory of turnovers and sloppy play. You guys did. So, why dont you try understanding what I'm saying first.

Now, speaking of seeing teams, how many Abilene games did you catch? How do you suppose your defense slows them down? And since we easily score twice as much as Longview, plus the two turnovers you gave up, just how many points do you think your offense puts on our defense that Cedar Hill and Bowie couldnt? Anyhow I do think LT the team is top five in the state, maybe even two or three. And it may have been a pretty good game, but LT doesnt win. Why? Like i said too many mistakes, and no possible why that defense stops our offense. We already faced the best defense in this entire state at Katy and scored 28. Anyhow as far as unbiased voters go, i think you're losing that arguement, and while i put little merit in national polls, how many of them were you ahead of Abilene? 1 or 2 of 7? Are they biased too? Now what?

Everything that you just posted is your opinion and you have a right to post it. Why do you easily score twice as much as Longview? And yes, in my opinion, LT's offense is better than CH and Bowie. Why would LT's mistakes against LV mean mistakes against Abilene. Maybe Longview's defense is better than Abilene's.''

I think that LT beats Abilene because they have a diversified offense and an opportunistic defense. I think that LT has the best coach in the state as well. Did you catch the SI article a couple of weeks ago which prominently featured Chad Morris? LT can run the football when they need too and they have a QB who can get the ball to anyone on the field. I believe that Abilene's offense is too one dimensional. LT has faced the best running back in the state in Malcolm Brown and a host of other D1 running backs. Abilene would not show them anything that they have not seen before.

Am I certain that LT would win? No, but I believe that they would beat Abilene or ET.

[farmerfan]

Everything that you just posted is your opinion and you have a right to post it. Why do you easily score twice as much as Longview? And yes, in my opinion, LT's offense is better than CH and Bowie. Why would LT's mistakes against LV mean mistakes against Abilene. Maybe Longview's defense is better than Abilene's.''

I think that LT beats Abilene because they have a diversified offense and an opportunistic defense. I think that LT has the best coach in the state as well. Did you catch the SI article a couple of weeks ago which prominently featured Chad Morris? LT can run the football when they need too and they have a QB who can get the ball to anyone on the field. I believe that Abilene's offense is too one dimensional. LT has faced the best running back in the state in Malcolm Brown and a host of other D1 running backs. Abilene would not show them anything that they have not seen before.

Am I certain that LT would win? No, but I believe that they would beat Abilene or ET.

Chad Morris is a fine football coach, he showed that at Bay City and Stpehenville, but he is far from being mentioned as the best in the state. He is not even close to being on the same playing field with Steve Lineweaver and that is not even up for debate.

[pied]

Thanks. Aren't the uniforms like black and yello and the coach in that movie is the guy who played Coach Hayden Fox on Coach?
Doesn't Tom Cruise get kicked out of his house?

Man why would they ever have a movie about Pennsylvania HS Football? Their football is terrible and boring and their best could not even beat the best 2A in Texas, sheesh.

Ampipe!!! The rest you'll have to watch and find out.

[abileneeagles311]

Everything that you just posted is your opinion and you have a right to post it. Why do you easily score twice as much as Longview? And yes, in my opinion, LT's offense is better than CH and Bowie. Why would LT's mistakes against LV mean mistakes against Abilene. Maybe Longview's defense is better than Abilene's.''

I think that LT beats Abilene because they have a diversified offense and an opportunistic defense. I think that LT has the best coach in the state as well. Did you catch the SI article a couple of weeks ago which prominently featured Chad Morris? LT can run the football when they need too and they have a QB who can get the ball to anyone on the field. I believe that Abilene's offense is too one dimensional. LT has faced the best running back in the state in Malcolm Brown and a host of other D1 running backs. Abilene would not show them anything that they have not seen before.

Am I certain that LT would win? No, but I believe that they would beat Abilene or ET.
yes we do run the ball around 70% of the time but i wouldn't call it 1 dimensional. we have 4 guys that can take it to the house everytime they touch the ball and we have 2 all state o lineman that will lead the way. and why not run the ball 70% of the time? nobody can stop it

[dragonsdaddy]

yes we do run the ball around 70% of the time but i wouldn't call it 1 dimensional. we have 4 guys that can take it to the house everytime they touch the ball and we have 2 all state o lineman that will lead the way. and why not run the ball 70% of the time? nobody can stop it

i think he meant that they were too good and thus haven't needed to pass. i'd say they are too dimensional for anyone to stop. they can run to both sides and up the middle. a true spread offense.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

Chad Morris is a fine football coach, he showed that at Bay City and Stpehenville, but he is far from being mentioned as the best in the state. He is not even close to being on the same playing field with Steve Lineweaver and that is not even up for debate.

Chad Morris got to Bay City, when it was already a powerhouse...
BC had just played for a State Title 2 yrs before Chad arrived...
They had been a legit powerhouse throughout the 90's...
He got to Stephenville, who was already a powerhouse...
Ala 4 State Titles in the 90's and the likes of Jevon Snead walking around campus...
He arrived at Lake Travis, AFTER, Jeff Dicus spent 5 years turning LT into a legit powerhouse and state champion...

Chad Moriss is a good coach, but the best in state? LMFAO! He's inherited powerhouse programs, everywhere he's gone. Did he make them better? That's debatable. Lineweaver would stomp Chewbacca-footholes in Chad Morris.

[farmerfan]

Chad Morris got to Bay City, when it was already a powerhouse...
BC had just played for a State Title 2 yrs before Chad arrived...
They had been a legit powerhouse throughout the 90's...
He got to Stephenville, who was already a powerhouse...
Ala 4 State Titles in the 90's and the likes of Jevon Snead walking around campus...
He arrived at Lake Travis, AFTER, Jeff Dicus spent 5 years turning LT into a legit powerhouse and state champion...

Chad Moriss is a good coach, but the best in state? LMFAO! He's inherited powerhouse programs, everywhere he's gone. Did he make them better? That's debatable. Lineweaver would stomp Chewbacca-footholes in Chad Morris.

TGO,

You say it best. Hard to argue against any of those points.

[Ltcav83]

Chad Morris got to Bay City, when it was already a powerhouse...
BC had just played for a State Title 2 yrs before Chad arrived...
They had been a legit powerhouse throughout the 90's...
He got to Stephenville, who was already a powerhouse...
Ala 4 State Titles in the 90's and the likes of Jevon Snead walking around campus...
He arrived at Lake Travis, AFTER, Jeff Dicus spent 5 years turning LT into a legit powerhouse and state champion...

Chad Moriss is a good coach, but the best in state? LMFAO! He's inherited powerhouse programs, everywhere he's gone. Did he make them better? That's debatable. Lineweaver would stomp Chewbacca-footholes in Chad Morris.

Hey,

You two genius' show me the Sports Illustrated article where Lineweaver is prominantly mentioned. I would bet both of you any amount of money that you wish that Morris will be working in college soon and Lineweaver will continue to coach in High School. Nothing wrong with that coaching in highs school but Morris has three state titles on his resume at 40 years old and is headed to the college ranks.

Oh farmer fan, it is not up for debate because you say so. Please. Chad Morris has an incredible resume at 40 years old. Chad Morris' offenses are being noticed as being cutting edge. Why didn't SI do an article on Lineweaver? Not trying to disparage him, but to say that it is not up for debate is just an ignorant statement.

[farmerfan]

Hey,

You two genius' show me the Sports Illustrated article where Lineweaver is prominantly mentioned. I would bet both of you any amount of money that you wish that Morris will be working in college soon and Lineweaver will continue to coach in High School. Nothing wrong with that coaching in highs school but Morris has three state titles on his resume at 40 years old and is headed to the college ranks.

Oh farmer fan, it is not up for debate because you say so. Please. Chad Morris has an incredible resume at 40 years old. Chad Morris' offenses are being noticed as being cutting edge. Why didn't SI do an article on Lineweaver? Not trying to disparage him, but to say that it is not up for debate is just an ignorant statement.

Chad Morris has never built anything on his own. Anything. Lineweaver has built 2 separate programs on his own. Lineweaver as a record untouched as far as winning percentage is concerned. Morris benefitted from est programs already in place at Lake Travis, Stephenville and Bay City. Lineweavers 4 state titles as a HC and 2 as an assistant at Carroll > Morris taking over already est programs and finding a way not to :Censor: it up.

As for the SI article, since when has SI been a legitimate source for sports? Wow

[twcpfan1]

It helps that Austin Lake Travis is the face of Texas HS football right now. They are definitely your rock star team at present, more so than any team in 5A.

That's a good part of the reason they and Morris were featured in SI. Not saying it's not well deserved of course.

[farmerfan]

It helps that Austin Lake Travis is the face of Texas HS football right now. They are definitely your rock star team at present, more so than any team in 5A.

That's a good part of the reason they were featured in SI.

I guess the new thing is being featured in SI. What is this SI article though, was it the article on the passing game here in Texas or was Lake Travis and Coach Morris actually given an entire article all to themselves?

[AbEagleFan]

Hey,

You two genius' show me the Sports Illustrated article where Lineweaver is prominantly mentioned. I would bet both of you any amount of money that you wish that Morris will be working in college soon and Lineweaver will continue to coach in High School. Nothing wrong with that coaching in highs school but Morris has three state titles on his resume at 40 years old and is headed to the college ranks.

Oh farmer fan, it is not up for debate because you say so. Please. Chad Morris has an incredible resume at 40 years old. Chad Morris' offenses are being noticed as being cutting edge. Why didn't SI do an article on Lineweaver? Not trying to disparage him, but to say that it is not up for debate is just an ignorant statement.

Seriously? Why not do some homework and see just how successful high school coaches are once they move up to the college level. I am sure there are a few like Coach Keeling from SA Central but look at what Dodge hasn't been able to accomplish yet. It's a tough road. You have to give great credit to great high school coaches who decide to stay at that level. It's obvious they are there for the kids and are not looking for a huge monetary payout.

I'm not sure what you're trying to prove by continuing to lift your team above all others within the state. Be satisfied with what you have because it won't last forever. Sure, while you're winning it may feel as if it will but it can stop just as quickly as it started.

As for Lineweaver, I had an interesting talk with his brother and sister-in-law at a Whataburger in Aledo the night we were traveling back from the Bowie game. I PM'ed one of the KT's as to the context of the conversation but out of respect for his family, I won't post it. Rest assured though if he wanted a college job, he would have been long gone by now. He coaches the kids because he loves them and what he is doing.

[twcpfan1]

I guess the new thing is being featured in SI. What is this SI article though, was it the article on the passing game here in Texas or was Lake Travis and Coach Morris actually given an entire article all to themselves?

I haven't seen the article but if they are to rise to national prominence, it will come as no surprise to me, given the circumstances.

[farmerfan]

Seriously? Why not do some homework and see just how successful high school coaches are once they move up to the college level. I am sure there are a few like Coach Keeling from SA Central but look at what Dodge hasn't been able to accomplish yet. It's a tough road. You have to give great credit to great high school coaches who decide to stay at that level. It's obvious they are there for the kids and are not looking for a huge monetary payout.

I'm not sure what you're trying to prove by continuing to lift your team above all others within the state. Be satisfied with what you have because it won't last forever. Sure, while you're winning it may feel as if it will but it can stop just as quickly as it started.

As for Lineweaver, I had an interesting talk with his brother and sister-in-law at a Whataburger in Aledo the night we were traveling back from the Bowie game. I PM'ed one of the KT's as to the context of the conversation but out of respect for his family, I won't post it. Rest assured though if he wanted a college job, he would have been long gone by now. He coaches the kids because he loves them and what he is doing.

Bingo. Exactly right. Texas HS football is better off for people like Coach Lineweaver. His love for the kids is what keeps him going strong and you can bet as long as he is roaming that sideline at ET they are going to be a threat to win a state title every year. Just like the Commerce Tigers were before and the Carroll Dragons were when he was calling play for them in their 3A days

[AbEagleFan]

Chad Morris is a fine football coach, he showed that at Bay City and Stpehenville, but he is far from being mentioned as the best in the state. He is not even close to being on the same playing field with Steve Lineweaver and that is not even up for debate.

Let's see Chad Morris take an Aubrey team and turn them in to what Coach Moore did this past season.

[Ltcav83]

Bingo. Exactly right. Texas HS football is better off for people like Coach Lineweaver. His love for the kids is what keeps him going strong and you can bet as long as he is roaming that sideline at ET they are going to be a threat to win a state title every year. Just like the Commerce Tigers were before and the Carroll Dragons were when he was calling play for them in their 3A days

Does Lineweaver love his kids more than Morris loves his kids? Morris is loved and respected for what he has done for LT and the kids and community as well.

[sportsreporter]

I think one of our fine schools from Texas should challenge DB to come down here and experience "Friday Night Lights" in the start of the '10 season. See Katy vs. Washington. This would settle a lot of chatter.

[AbEagleFan]

Does Lineweaver love his kids more than Morris loves his kids? Morris is loved and respected for what he has done for LT and the kids and community as well.

Guess time will tell. If he leaves them for the big college bucks, that will answer your question.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

Hey,

You two genius' show me the Sports Illustrated article where Lineweaver is prominantly mentioned. I would bet both of you any amount of money that you wish that Morris will be working in college soon and Lineweaver will continue to coach in High School. Nothing wrong with that coaching in highs school but Morris has three state titles on his resume at 40 years old and is headed to the college ranks.

Oh farmer fan, it is not up for debate because you say so. Please. Chad Morris has an incredible resume at 40 years old. Chad Morris' offenses are being noticed as being cutting edge. Why didn't SI do an article on Lineweaver? Not trying to disparage him, but to say that it is not up for debate is just an ignorant statement.

Who gives a flying :Censor: about some Sports Illustrated article? That article wasn't comparing Chad to Lineweaver, and frankly it was pretty bias. There was an angle - the Aggie angle - and they put Chad in the best light possible. You think they'd really put money and effort into creating an article for a coach, then add that he'd get pwned on the 5A vs the likes of ET's Lineweaver?

Until LT moves up and kicks arse on the 5A, keep patting yourself on the back and talking about Week 0 wins over the D1 state finalist. Just remember, Bastrop beat Westlake too... and Cedar Park and SA Madison was a play or two from beating them. Move 'round!

[farmerfan]

Let's see Chad Morris take an Aubrey team and turn them in to what Coach Moore did this past season.

Man what a turn around that was. Coach Moore is the man. Gotta love what he did at Aubrey. You are right, until Coach Morris does something like that trhere will be plenty of speculation as to what he can do.

Look at Coach Lineweaver with Commerce and Trinity. If my memory serves me right, when Coch Lineweaver took over Trinity prior to the '01 season, Trinity had not advanced past the 2nd round of the playoffs since the '93 season.

[Ltcav83]

Seriously? Why not do some homework and see just how successful high school coaches are once they move up to the college level. I am sure there are a few like Coach Keeling from SA Central but look at what Dodge hasn't been able to accomplish yet. It's a tough road. You have to give great credit to great high school coaches who decide to stay at that level. It's obvious they are there for the kids and are not looking for a huge monetary payout.

I'm not sure what you're trying to prove by continuing to lift your team above all others within the state. Be satisfied with what you have because it won't last forever. Sure, while you're winning it may feel as if it will but it can stop just as quickly as it started.

As for Lineweaver, I had an interesting talk with his brother and sister-in-law at a Whataburger in Aledo the night we were traveling back from the Bowie game. I PM'ed one of the KT's as to the context of the conversation but out of respect for his family, I won't post it. Rest assured though if he wanted a college job, he would have been long gone by now. He coaches the kids because he loves them and what he is doing.
Show me where I have lifted LT above all others. Just because I think that are the best team. The only reason this part of the discussion started is because a poster said that Morris could not even stay on the same field as Lineweaver. That is just ignorant. BOTH have been incredibly successful. I just said that I thought that Chad Morris was the best coach in the state. The other poster got all emotional about Lineweaver.

What is so bad about saying that Morris is a great coach and LT is a great team? It is just talking football.

[farmerfan]

Does Lineweaver love his kids more than Morris loves his kids? Morris is loved and respected for what he has done for LT and the kids and community as well.

Good for Morris. But I was not talking about Morris in the quote you quoted, I was responding to a comment about Coach Lineweaver

[ThEgReAtOnE]

I just want to see Chad take a 4A or 5A team from the absolute bottom to the top.
If he were to have taken over at Houston Worthing, Dallas Kimball, or even a 5A team like 7Lakes and seen those programs to state titles, inside of 5 years, I would've been blown away.
But that's not the case.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

How far off is Lake Travis' enrollment numbers, from the 5A cutoff?

[Ltcav83]

Who gives a flying :Censor: about some Sports Illustrated article? That article wasn't comparing Chad to Lineweaver, and frankly it was pretty bias. There was an angle - the Aggie angle - and they put Chad in the best light possible. You think they'd really put money and effort into creating an article for a coach, then add that he'd get pwned on the 5A vs the likes of ET's Lineweaver?

Until LT moves up and kicks arse on the 5A, keep patting yourself on the back and talking about Week 0 wins over the D1 state finalist. Just remember, Bastrop beat Westlake too... and Cedar Park and SA Madison was a play or two from beating them. Move 'round!

Oh yes genius. A national publication with an Aggie angle. That happens so often. They did not mention that he would get pawned by anyone, just that he was a hot commodity. Why would SI have an angle biased toward Morris? That is just a stupid assumption. They wrote about him because of the things that he is doing in Texas high school football.

Dont need LT to move up and kick butt because I already know that they are the best team in the state. Hey, arent you the same guy that predicted LT to beat Dawson 35-21? Wasnt it 57-12. You gave your grade on Dawson the week before and said they had all sort s of talent. You have no credibility here.

[Ltcav83]

How far off is Lake Travis' enrollment numbers, from the 5A cutoff?

1,952. should go 5A next go round in 2012.

[Ltcav83]

Chad Morris has never built anything on his own. Anything. Lineweaver has built 2 separate programs on his own. Lineweaver as a record untouched as far as winning percentage is concerned. Morris benefitted from est programs already in place at Lake Travis, Stephenville and Bay City. Lineweavers 4 state titles as a HC and 2 as an assistant at Carroll > Morris taking over already est programs and finding a way not to :Censor: it up.

As for the SI article, since when has SI been a legitimate source for sports? Wow

How about Elysian Fields where Morris went to finals?

[twcpfan1]

You know instant success in 5a straight after moving up from 4a is not exactly unprecedented. SLC and SV anybody?

Lake Travis will do better than fine in 5a when they move up. They seem to have the swagger and the coaching.

[Ltcav83]

I guess the new thing is being featured in SI. What is this SI article though, was it the article on the passing game here in Texas or was Lake Travis and Coach Morris actually given an entire article all to themselves?

It was an article on the success of Texas QB's and offenses and Morris had a huge part of the article. He was the only current hs coach mentioned. Dodge and others were prominently mentioned.

[farmerfan]

How about Elysian Fields where Morris went to finals?

He should get credit for that, I believe the Elysian Fields team gave Celina a pretty tough game in the '99 finals? But unlike Lineweaver was able to do at Commerce he never built them into a champion.

[farmerfan]

You know instant success in 5a straight after moving up from 4a is not exactly unprecedented. SLC and SV anybody?

Lake Travis will do better than fine in 5a when they move up. They seem to have the swagger and the coaching.

I agree with that. They will be fine, the most important thing they would have is they would be placed in by far the weakest region in the entire state in region 4. They would be the clear cut favorite to win the region the moment they moved up

[Ltcav83]

Guess time will tell. If he leaves them for the big college bucks, that will answer your question.

Oh yes, you must be right. If a man leaves to further his career and climb up the coaching ladder, he cannot love his kids. Ask any LT kid what they think about him.

I guess Mack Brown and other coaches do not love their kids. Did Lineweaver not love his kids at the other schools that he was coach at?

Please.

[farmerfan]

It was an article on the success of Texas QB's and offenses and Morris had a huge part of the article. He was the only current hs coach mentioned. Dodge and others were prominently mentioned.

Ok thanks. I still haven't seen the article.

[twcpfan1]

I agree with that. They will be fine, the most important thing they would have is they would be placed in by far the weakest region in the entire state in region 4. They would be the clear cut favorite to win the region the moment they moved up

Possible they could go R2. Isn't Lake Travis geographically closer to Round Rock, Georgetown and Cedar Park compared to Austin? Not sure on the geography.

[Ltcav83]

Ok thanks. I still haven't seen the article.

I remember that farmer team from a few years ago that was unstoppable. Help me remember some of those rbs and QB. That was a fun team to watch.

[farmerfan]

Possible they could go R2. Isn't Lake Travis geographically closer to Round Rock, Georgetown and Cedar Park compared to Austin? Not sure on the geography.

That's a good point. I am not sure where Lake Travis is located. Might be closer to that side of the city. Man what a district that would be though if they were put in with RRStP.

[farmerfan]

I remember that farmer team from a few years ago that was unstoppable. Help me remember some of those rbs and QB. That was a fun team to watch.

You're thinking '96, so it was more than a few years ago lol ;)

QB - Michael Odle
FB - Luke Taylor
HB - Keenan Gray
HB - Danielle Brazzell.

All 4 of those guys were 1000 yard rushers and all 4 had over 10 TD's on the ground. Some have called it the very best option team to play the game but there have been many great option teams to play this game. Too bad we are not much anymore, it stinks when the only way your team is remembered is for something they did 13 years ago lol

[ThEgReAtOnE]

Oh yes genius. A national publication with an Aggie angle. That happens so often. They did not mention that he would get pawned by anyone, just that he was a hot commodity. Why would SI have an angle biased toward Morris? That is just a stupid assumption. They wrote about him because of the things that he is doing in Texas high school football.

Dont need LT to move up and kick butt because I already know that they are the best team in the state. Hey, arent you the same guy that predicted LT to beat Dawson 35-21? Wasnt it 57-12. You gave your grade on Dawson the week before and said they had all sort s of talent. You have no credibility here.

1. I predicted Pearland Dawson would win by 14 pts, at least. I said that if Lake Travis came out slinging, and having success, it could get ugly. Go back and read.

2. Look below, in regards the "talent" reply...

Dawson D1 Prospects
AP/QB-Darian Lazard (Houston Committ)
RB-Xavier Brown (Houston Committ)
WR-Marcus Vaughn (3-Star... Florida, OU, Texas)
TE-Max Brown (3-Star... Arizona, TAMU, TCU, OU, Utah)
OL-Johnathan Preston (D1)
DE-Robert Seals (D1)
DT-Aaron Davis (2-Star... Georgia Tech, Louisville, Maryland, Arizona, TAMU)
DB-David Farris (Arizona, Arizona State, Stanford)

3. Are you really calling me a lie? Are you saying I'm not credible for predicting a loss (which happened) and speaking about D1-talent on a team (which it does have)?

Move 'round, dude!

[ThEgReAtOnE]

You're thinking '96, so it was more than a few years ago lol ;)

QB - Michael Odle
FB - Luke Taylor
HB - Keenan Gray
HB - Danielle Brazzell.

All 4 of those guys were 1000 yard rushers and all 4 had over 10 TD's on the ground. Some have called it the very best option team to play the game but there have been many great option teams to play this game. Too bad we are not much anymore, it stinks when the only way your team is remembered is for something they did 13 years ago lol

DEFENSE, DEFENSE, DEFENSE!

One word = "SHANNON!"

[Ltcav83]

1. I predicted Pearland Dawson would win by 14 pts, at least. I said that if Lake Travis came out slinging, and having success, it could get ugly. Go back and read.

2. Look below, in regards the "talent" reply...

Dawson D1 Prospects
AP/QB-Darian Lazard (Houston Committ)
RB-Xavier Brown (Houston Committ)
WR-Marcus Vaughn (3-Star... Florida, OU, Texas)
TE-Max Brown (3-Star... Arizona, TAMU, TCU, OU, Utah)
OL-Johnathan Preston (D1)
DE-Robert Seals (D1)
DT-Aaron Davis (2-Star... Georgia Tech, Louisville, Maryland, Arizona, TAMU)
DB-David Farris (Arizona, Arizona State, Stanford)

3. Are you really calling me a lie? Are you saying I'm not credible for predicting a loss (which happened) and speaking about D1-talent on a team (which it does have)?

Move 'round, dude!

I would never call you a liar because I do not believe that you do that. You did in fact predict 35-21 LT. You graded Dawson and said how talented they were and predicted the above score. You later qualified that prediction, but you wrote 35-21. If LT destroyed that talented team that you predicted to win by 14 by 45 points, what does that say about LT?

[Ltcav83]

You're thinking '96, so it was more than a few years ago lol ;)

QB - Michael Odle
FB - Luke Taylor
HB - Keenan Gray
HB - Danielle Brazzell.

All 4 of those guys were 1000 yard rushers and all 4 had over 10 TD's on the ground. Some have called it the very best option team to play the game but there have been many great option teams to play this game. Too bad we are not much anymore, it stinks when the only way your team is remembered is for something they did 13 years ago lol

Yep, Luke Taylor, and the gang. I remember watching that championship game in awe of how dominating they were. Didnt they beat a Houston team? I am getting old.

[farmerfan]

DEFENSE, DEFENSE, DEFENSE!

One word = "SHANNON!"

Shannon was a stud at LB. One that a lot of people dont remember because when he was playing the age of the intergoogle was not so prevelent. But Shannon was a damn good LB wasn't he?

[ThEgReAtOnE]

I would never call you a liar because I do not believe that you do that. You did in fact predict 35-21 LT. You graded Dawson and said how talented they were and predicted the above score. You later qualified that prediction, but you wrote 35-21. If LT destroyed that talented team that you predicted to win by 14 by 45 points, what does that say about LT?

It means Lake Travis had a great day...
WTF do you want me to say?...
Oh no, wait..
I know what you want to hear..
And you aint gettin it...
Not until 2012, at least...

[ThEgReAtOnE]

Shannon was a stud at LB. One that a lot of people dont remember because when he was playing the age of the intergoogle was not so prevelent. But Shannon was a damn good LB wasn't he?

If he were playing today, he'd be a 4-Star, at least... hell, maybe even 5-Star.

[farmerfan]

If he were playing today, he'd be a 4-Star, at least... hell, maybe even 5-Star.

You are right, given his size probably a 4 star but those that saw him knew he had 5 star all over him. He was unreal. A 4 year starter back in his day at the 5A level :notworthy

[Ltcav83]

It means Lake Travis had a great day...
WTF do you want me to say?...
Oh no, wait..
I know what you want to hear..
And you aint gettin it...
Not until 2012, at least...

Fredo,

You broke my heart!

[LR46]

Hey,

You two genius' show me the Sports Illustrated article where Lineweaver is prominantly mentioned. I would bet both of you any amount of money that you wish that Morris will be working in college soon and Lineweaver will continue to coach in High School. Nothing wrong with that coaching in highs school but Morris has three state titles on his resume at 40 years old and is headed to the college ranks.

Oh farmer fan, it is not up for debate because you say so. Please. Chad Morris has an incredible resume at 40 years old. Chad Morris' offenses are being noticed as being cutting edge. Why didn't SI do an article on Lineweaver? Not trying to disparage him, but to say that it is not up for debate is just an ignorant statement.

Don't let anyone else know this but Lineweaver really is our secret weapon and a pretty fair coach not to mention and good caring guy. Steve Lineweaver could, if he wanted to name most any college program and go there. I believe he's in the HS game and at Trinity because he loves it and I hope he stays here for a long time.

He's a freak . . . a freaking genius and not only builds and teachers kids but other coaches too. Better yet he teaches them all more than just football, that's why he the best and wins. No one can ask for more than that.

[warbird00]

Everything that you just posted is your opinion and you have a right to post it. Why do you easily score twice as much as Longview? And yes, in my opinion, LT's offense is better than CH and Bowie. Why would LT's mistakes against LV mean mistakes against Abilene. Maybe Longview's defense is better than Abilene's.''

I think that LT beats Abilene because they have a diversified offense and an opportunistic defense. I think that LT has the best coach in the state as well. Did you catch the SI article a couple of weeks ago which prominently featured Chad Morris? LT can run the football when they need too and they have a QB who can get the ball to anyone on the field. I believe that Abilene's offense is too one dimensional. LT has faced the best running back in the state in Malcolm Brown and a host of other D1 running backs. Abilene would not show them anything that they have not seen before.

Am I certain that LT would win? No, but I believe that they would beat Abilene or ET.

Cool. I think Abilene wins because we'll match up better then other teams you played did. Our offense has faced a much better defense then your's and Longviews in the Katy Tigers, and we scored more points then you did. If there was any defense in the state that was going to shut us down it would have been them. While you have your arguements for top offense, there is nothing that I see to support your defense will be more successful then Katy's or Klein. While I disagree with your "the best back in state" comment, a top five dual threat qp and at worst the second best back is the state is a whole different monster. So, I'll give us 30-35 points.

Next our defense. I'd say in the playoffs ours stepped up big time. Just like you can have the opinion that your O is better then Bowie or Chill, I can also have mine about our d. However I'll add this, I am more impressed with Longview keeping your team below 30 in the finals then I am with them beating Allen. I put more stock in what a team does come playoff and championship time then I am preseason when positions are being tryed out, schemes tested, and shoes broken into. Still, twice in the playoffs Longview escaped with wins of three points or less to advance. One of those times was in round two. With all due respect, Longview always struck me as an underachiever come playoff time. Certainly not a 5a power house...then they move to 4a and make the finals both years I think?? You do have the passing attack to make things interesting, but you're running would be no more successful then the scary backs at Cedar Hill were. With our running game, you're likely not going to see the ball much, and if you do that means we're busting out 60-70 yard runs for TD's. Our defense is better then Longviews, in my opinion, but even if its equal, or slightly worse, they wont have to be on the field as much, play from behind, or deal with turnovers. So, I'll give you 17-24 points.

I dont see any way you win, other then if addtional points are awarded for SI articles, rockstar status or National Polls. Oh wait, you'd lose the fight on National Polls too, wouldnt you? As far as coaches go, Im sure yours is good. I dont think you win three times in a row if you're not. But ours is good too, and he helped build our program from the bottom up. He's faced Parchman (Midland Lee), and Gaines (Central), and Briles (Stepheville), and Allman (Permian), and Wasson (SLC), and McGuire (Cedar Hill), and Joseph (Katy), and Dodge (SLC), and a host of others that may not be as well known or I missed. He's beaten all of those coaches except for one, and the one we didnt left to North Texas before we had a chance to do it ;). I think we've seen good coaching, and bring in a share of our own. I'll add that our coaching had our team playing almost mistake free ball in our championship game. Your's didnt.


It means Lake Travis had a great day...
WTF do you want me to say?...
Oh no, wait..
I know what you want to hear..
And you aint gettin it...
Not until 2012, at least...

What does he want you to say?

Lake Travis could be facing a team of archangels from Heaven, QB'd by Gabriel, RB'd by Michael, and LB Raphael. They'd be coached by JC himself, and LT would win easily because they had a better coach, were featured on SI, Heavens team was too one dimensional, and LT offense is just unstoppable.

[pied]

I just want to see Chad take a 4A or 5A team from the absolute bottom to the top.
If he were to have taken over at Houston Worthing, Dallas Kimball, or even a 5A team like 7Lakes and seen those programs to state titles, inside of 5 years, I would've been blown away.
But that's not the case.

I don't know Chad Morris, but am willing to include any two time consecutive State title winning coach in a discussion like this. Also, Trinity was a defending District champ and perrenial playoff team when Linweaver took over. Their problem for several years was having to face Lamar in the playoffs.

[dragonsdaddy]

I don't know Chad Morris, but am willing to include any two time consecutive State title winning coach in a discussion like this. Also, Trinity was a defending District champ and perrenial playoff team when Linweaver took over. Their problem for several years was having to face Lamar in the playoffs.

i remember listening to those et-lamar games thinking al has a chance. they seemed to exhale after beating a good et team and blow up the thump thump balls. i never understood that relationship.

[pied]

i remember listening to those et-lamar games thinking al has a chance. they seemed to exhale after beating a good et team and blow up the thump thump balls. i never understood that relationship.

thump thump balls?

Is that a Christmas treat something naughty?

[dragonsdaddy]

thump thump balls?

Is that a Christmas treat something naughty?

after football sports don't get no respect.

[Ltcav83]

Cool. I think Abilene wins because we'll match up better then other teams you played did. Our offense has faced a much better defense then your's and Longviews in the Katy Tigers, and we scored more points then you did. If there was any defense in the state that was going to shut us down it would have been them. While you have your arguements for top offense, there is nothing that I see to support your defense will be more successful then Katy's or Klein. While I disagree with your "the best back in state" comment, a top five dual threat qp and at worst the second best back is the state is a whole different monster. So, I'll give us 30-35 points.

Next our defense. I'd say in the playoffs ours stepped up big time. Just like you can have the opinion that your O is better then Bowie or Chill, I can also have mine about our d. However I'll add this, I am more impressed with Longview keeping your team below 30 in the finals then I am with them beating Allen. I put more stock in what a team does come playoff and championship time then I am preseason when positions are being tryed out, schemes tested, and shoes broken into. Still, twice in the playoffs Longview escaped with wins of three points or less to advance. One of those times was in round two. With all due respect, Longview always struck me as an underachiever come playoff time. Certainly not a 5a power house...then they move to 4a and make the finals both years I think?? You do have the passing attack to make things interesting, but you're running would be no more successful then the scary backs at Cedar Hill were. With our running game, you're likely not going to see the ball much, and if you do that means we're busting out 60-70 yard runs for TD's. Our defense is better then Longviews, in my opinion, but even if its equal, or slightly worse, they wont have to be on the field as much, play from behind, or deal with turnovers. So, I'll give you 17-24 points.

I dont see any way you win, other then if addtional points are awarded for SI articles, rockstar status or National Polls. Oh wait, you'd lose the fight on National Polls too, wouldnt you? As far as coaches go, Im sure yours is good. I dont think you win three times in a row if you're not. But ours is good too, and he helped build our program from the bottom up. He's faced Parchman (Midland Lee), and Gaines (Central), and Briles (Stepheville), and Allman (Permian), and Wasson (SLC), and McGuire (Cedar Hill), and Joseph (Katy), and Dodge (SLC), and a host of others that may not be as well known or I missed. He's beaten all of those coaches except for one, and the one we didnt left to North Texas before we had a chance to do it ;). I think we've seen good coaching, and bring in a share of our own. I'll add that our coaching had our team playing almost mistake free ball in our championship game. Your's didnt.




What does he want you to say?

Lake Travis could be facing a team of archangels from Heaven, QB'd by Gabriel, RB'd by Michael, and LB Raphael. They'd be coached by JC himself, and LT would win easily because they had a better coach, were featured on SI, Heavens team was too one dimensional, and LT offense is just unstoppable.

Nice sarcasm, but it does not in any way mean that you are right. You forgot to add playoff experience to your mix. LT's kids have been a part of 3 consecutive titles. Abilene lost early last year. Just because you say that your defense would hold LT to 17-24 points doesn't make it so.

The fact is that LT runs a more sophisticated offensive attack than anything you guys see. You mention Longview holding LT to 24 points, but you fail to mention Westlake, 5A finalist, "holding" LT to 42 points. I believe that LT would slow the Abilene offense enough to be able to outscore them. Don't care if you agree or not. There are many, many people who would agree and would also agree that LT was the best team in the state last year. Pretty sure LT would have beaten Abilene last year as well.

[pied]

Nice sarcasm, but it does not in any way mean that you are right. You forgot to add playoff experience to your mix. LT's kids have been a part of 3 consecutive titles. Abilene lost early last year. Just because you say that your defense would hold LT to 17-24 points doesn't make it so.

The fact is that LT runs a more sophisticated offensive attack than anything you guys see. You mention Longview holding LT to 24 points, but you fail to mention Westlake, 5A finalist, "holding" LT to 42 points. I believe that LT would slow the Abilene offense enough to be able to outscore them. Don't care if you agree or not. There are many, many people who would agree and would also agree that LT was the best team in the state last year. Pretty sure LT would have beaten Abilene last year as well.


I am more or less on your side, but let's not get carried away here.

While there are likely many many people who think that LT was the best team last year, there are many many other people who don't think that.

[Ltcav83]

I am more or less on your side, but let's not get carried away here.

While there are likely many many people who think that LT was the best team last year, there are many many other people who don't think that.

You make a fair point. I think that at the end of the day, the LT defense was better this year, but last year they had a once in a lifetime QB in Garrett Gilbert. Brewer is a nice QB who will play in college but I do not think that I will ever see another hs QB like Gilbert.

Your point is taken, though. Just talkin some football before the LONG offseason. Merry Christmas to you and yours.

[dragonsdaddy]

Nice sarcasm, but it does not in any way mean that you are right. You forgot to add playoff experience to your mix. LT's kids have been a part of 3 consecutive titles. Abilene lost early last year. Just because you say that your defense would hold LT to 17-24 points doesn't make it so.

The fact is that LT runs a more sophisticated offensive attack than anything you guys see. You mention Longview holding LT to 24 points, but you fail to mention Westlake, 5A finalist, "holding" LT to 42 points. I believe that LT would slow the Abilene offense enough to be able to outscore them. Don't care if you agree or not. There are many, many people who would agree and would also agree that LT was the best team in the state last year. Pretty sure LT would have beaten Abilene last year as well.
is that infinitely, or simply light years ahead of what slc taught you? your hyperbole is catching up to your kt buddy.

[OakTreeUp-n-Out]

Shannon was a stud at LB. One that a lot of people dont remember because when he was playing the age of the intergoogle was not so prevelent. But Shannon was a damn good LB wasn't he?

I was young at the time, but he definitely stood out to me.

[warbird00]

Nice sarcasm, but it does not in any way mean that you are right. You forgot to add playoff experience to your mix. LT's kids have been a part of 3 consecutive titles. Abilene lost early last year. Just because you say that your defense would hold LT to 17-24 points doesn't make it so.

The fact is that LT runs a more sophisticated offensive attack than anything you guys see. You mention Longview holding LT to 24 points, but you fail to mention Westlake, 5A finalist, "holding" LT to 42 points. I believe that LT would slow the Abilene offense enough to be able to outscore them. Don't care if you agree or not. There are many, many people who would agree and would also agree that LT was the best team in the state last year. Pretty sure LT would have beaten Abilene last year as well.

Just because you say it, doesnt mean make it so. I explained to you why I thought the way I did. Your reply "abilene was out in the first round last year." Whopdie do. You guys were 0-10 7 or 8 years ago, 1-9 the season before and 3-7 the season after. so what? I suppose we could count the 11 seasons in a row we've been in the playoffs as experience too for our coaches. I dont fail to mention anything that matters...Like I said to me performance in the post season> performace in the preseason. You wont convience me of anything otherwise, no matter how much you wanna use that same mindset to prop up your win vs Westlake or a Longview team (which beat Allen) that has a recent history of great preseason/district play and then accomplishing little more then nothing in 5a playoffs...but yet now has been making it to 4a finals since dropping. THIS years Abilene team beats THIS years LT. Why? Well first, Westlake wasnt a finalist against us, or our division. Had they been Division 2, Katy knocks them out. But he played, she played is a weak argument other then to comment on how a team does againt a good running team, a good defense, ect. As far as sophisticated offensive attack, there is nothing like the no huddle spread of SLC. Been there, done that. So other then that your incorrect statement, why does LT win? You hint that you believe our defense is worse then Longviews, but I dont see any reason to believe that, other then you wanting it to be true to make your team look better. Our defense has faced teams with at least as many athletes as your offense, a strong passing attack, and great backs. What matchups do they win against Abilene that no one else did? On the other side LT defense is not as good as Katys... and I dont see you arguing that fact. So we'll score. Well keep the ball from you, and take advantage of your mistakes.

I really dont like doggin teams and I do hope you know I have respect for Lake Travis and Longview. I just dont think either of those teams, at the end of the year, beats Trinity and I certainly dont think they beat Abilene. We'll never know for sure, but I can back up why I believe the way I do with more then SI articles and wishes. We've put our money where our mouth was. We've won a state championship in what I believe is the most difficult state to do so. We came from what I believe was the most difficult region, and won what was this year the more difficult of the two divisions. I dont see how your 4a path can compare; then again I really dont think there are too many paths to the championship in the country that can include in their ranks teams the the caliber we either had to beat, or teams that had beaten Allen, SLC, Cedar Hill, Bowie, Lukin, TJT, Katy, Bastrop, NB, Klein Collins, and Klein. What does that prove? Nothing. Except that great offenses that are so advanced have been seen and overcome. And great defenses that would be the pride of any school have been taken apart and beaten. Congrats on your great season.

[Ltcav83]

Just because you say it, doesnt mean make it so. I explained to you why I thought the way I did. Your reply "abilene was out in the first round last year." Whopdie do. You guys were 0-10 7 or 8 years ago, 1-9 the season before and 3-7 the season after. so what? I suppose we could count the 11 seasons in a row we've been in the playoffs as experience too for our coaches. I dont fail to mention anything that matters...Like I said to me performance in the post season> performace in the preseason. You wont convience me of anything otherwise, no matter how much you wanna use that same mindset to prop up your win vs Westlake or a Longview team (which beat Allen) that has a recent history of great preseason/district play and then accomplishing little more then nothing in 5a playoffs...but yet now has been making it to 4a finals since dropping. THIS years Abilene team beats THIS years LT. Why? Well first, Westlake wasnt a finalist against us, or our division. Had they been Division 2, Katy knocks them out. But he played, she played is a weak argument other then to comment on how a team does againt a good running team, a good defense, ect. As far as sophisticated offensive attack, there is nothing like the no huddle spread of SLC. Been there, done that. So other then that your incorrect statement, why does LT win? You hint that you believe our defense is worse then Longviews, but I dont see any reason to believe that, other then you wanting it to be true to make your team look better. Our defense has faced teams with at least as many athletes as your offense, a strong passing attack, and great backs. What matchups do they win against Abilene that no one else did? On the other side LT defense is not as good as Katys... and I dont see you arguing that fact. So we'll score. Well keep the ball from you, and take advantage of your mistakes.

I really dont like doggin teams and I do hope you know I have respect for Lake Travis and Longview. I just dont think either of those teams, at the end of the year, beats Trinity and I certainly dont think they beat Abilene. We'll never know for sure, but I can back up why I believe the way I do with more then SI articles and wishes. We've put our money where our mouth was. We've won a state championship in what I believe is the most difficult state to do so. We came from what I believe was the most difficult region, and won what was this year the more difficult of the two divisions. I dont see how your 4a path can compare; then again I really dont think there are too many paths to the championship in the country that can include in their ranks teams the the caliber we either had to beat, or teams that had beaten Allen, SLC, Cedar Hill, Bowie, Lukin, TJT, Katy, Bastrop, NB, Klein Collins, and Klein. What does that prove? Nothing. Except that great offenses that are so advanced have been seen and overcome. And great defenses that would be the pride of any school have been taken apart and beaten. Congrats on your great season.

I will just agree to disagree. No way that either of us can prove anything unless we play. Congrats on a GREAT season for Abilene and I know that they will be great again next year with what they have coming back. Merry Christmas to you and yours.

[farmerfan]

I don't know Chad Morris, but am willing to include any two time consecutive State title winning coach in a discussion like this. Also, Trinity was a defending District champ and perrenial playoff team when Linweaver took over. Their problem for several years was having to face Lamar in the playoffs.

ET had not advanced past round 2 of the playoffs since 1993 when they lost to Plano 13-0. Lineweaver took over and guided them to the state semis in year 1. Chad Morris has not had that kind of success, he took over a defending state champ and managed not to **** it up. Go look at Commerce prior to Lineweaver arriving and tell me how great they were and then compare it to when Lineweaver was there.

[farmerfan]

You make a fair point. I think that at the end of the day, the LT defense was better this year, but last year they had a once in a lifetime QB in Garrett Gilbert. Brewer is a nice QB who will play in college but I do not think that I will ever see another hs QB like Gilbert.

Your point is taken, though. Just talkin some football before the LONG offseason. Merry Christmas to you and yours.

Gilbert wa a stud at QB but there was one just as good as him a few yeras prior in Greg McElroy. With the way the state of Texas is in terms of talent there will be another one like Gilbert before we know it. Just the way it is in this state.

[cougmantx]

I think we will find that Abilene thinks that because they won one champion ship game after 53 years, they will be an elite power in the next ten years. While I admire their win, I think they are a flash in the pan. Something like Allen calling them selves a dynasty last year...

Abilene is good and they have a great coach but they will hang for a year or two and be gone...mark my words.

There are just to many teams in the state and it's up for grabs every year. If LT goes 5a all bets are off.

Oh... Merry Christmas

[abileneeagles311]

I think we will find that Abilene thinks that because they won one champion ship game after 53 years, they will be an elite power in the next ten years. While I admire their win, I think they are a flash in the pan. Something like Allen calling them selves a dynasty last year...

Abilene is good and they have a great coach but they will hang for a year or two and be gone...mark my words.

There are just to many teams in the state and it's up for grabs every year. If LT goes 5a all bets are off.

Oh... Merry Christmas
i agree that teams come and go, just look at judson and midland lee in the 90's, maybe this coming up decade is the one that katy and slc go ;)

[AbEagleFan]

I think we will find that Abilene thinks that because they won one champion ship game after 53 years, they will be an elite power in the next ten years. While I admire their win, I think they are a flash in the pan. Something like Allen calling them selves a dynasty last year...

Abilene is good and they have a great coach but they will hang for a year or two and be gone...mark my words.

There are just to many teams in the state and it's up for grabs every year. If LT goes 5a all bets are off.

Oh... Merry Christmas

bah humbug... :D

I think Abilene has good shot next year but it's going to be tough regardless of which division they are in. Both Trinity and Katy are bringing back a lot of depth and some really good players so you may see another playoff game such as this year’s SLC/Allen game again in R1. Abilene has a legit shot at going D1 next year as well so that game may pit us up against Trinity.

As far back as 2007 I had stated on here a few times that Warren had felt this year’s junior class (freshman at the time) could be the class that wins it all. While I had great expectations for next year, this year I felt the CHILL game would be the deciding factor on just how good this team was. Again, next year is going to be very tough regardless of which division we are in. It’s expected Abilene will be ranked very high in both state and national polls mainly because of this years success and the fact the backfield and some key players on the defense will be returning. That’s going to be a lot of expectations and pressure on these kids and it will be interesting to see how they can handle it throughout the season. After that, this year’s freshman squad was exceptional so we do have potential to be consistent and make deep runs. As all of you know, many factors attribute a successful playoff run so predicting a "Dynasty," I won't dare.

In regards to Katy playing in a weak region, I don’t buy that. It is what it is. They are pitted against the best in that region and time after time they prevail. While from the outside looking in, it may look like a breeze, as a former player on a team that was ranked number one in the state just about each week during my junior and senior year, it’s not that simple. Each week there is a lot of pressure to perform and once the game starts, anything can happen. I feel Katy’s level of play has been far above the rest of the teams in their region (and others) which is why their success has been consistent and I would be very surprised if they aren’t back in the finals again next year.

[pied]

ET had not advanced past round 2 of the playoffs since 1993 when they lost to Plano 13-0. Lineweaver took over and guided them to the state semis in year 1. Chad Morris has not had that kind of success, he took over a defending state champ and managed not to **** it up. Go look at Commerce prior to Lineweaver arriving and tell me how great they were and then compare it to when Lineweaver was there.

Facing Marcus/Lewisville in 94/95 and the state champs in 98 isn't exactly a terrible thing.

Lots of smoke around Morris to a$m. weird

[warbird00]

I think we will find that Abilene thinks that because they won one champion ship game after 53 years, they will be an elite power in the next ten years. While I admire their win, I think they are a flash in the pan. Something like Allen calling them selves a dynasty last year...

Abilene is good and they have a great coach but they will hang for a year or two and be gone...mark my words.

There are just to many teams in the state and it's up for grabs every year. If LT goes 5a all bets are off.

Oh... Merry Christmas

Depends on what you describe as "gone." Do I think we're going to pull an SLC 79-1...no. Heck it will be extreamly difficult just repeating this years feat. However, we've been making noise for much longer then one year. I tried to tell some of you Katy fans, yet no one wanted to hear it. No matter how much you guys wanted to compare us to Wylie, I kept telling you all we've played big time games in big time venues. After that, you would think you should be more careful yet again trying to draw comparisions between us and other schools. Getting to the dance and winning is the mark of a really great team, but you're right, there are plenty of very good teams that dont quite make it. Im cool with our team just living up to their potential. If you'll look at our playoff record, and understand where we came from, you'd know were were a few inches, eight yards, and an overtime "unable to tackle" from this being our 4th state championship appearance in 10 years rather then our first. If, by doing that, in the toughest region in the state, you consider that "gone" well then maybe you're right. But I'd disagree.

[yallerjacket2]

Gilbert wa a stud at QB but there was one just as good as him a few yeras prior in Greg McElroy. With the way the state of Texas is in terms of talent there will be another one like Gilbert before we know it. Just the way it is in this state.

This.

How soon we forget about the McElroys, Harrells, and Staffords that came before Lake Travis.

[Ltcav83]

This.

How soon we forget about the McElroys, Harrells, and Staffords that came before Lake Travis.


How many of those guys won the Gatorade National Player of the year award? Let me answer for you. None. No football player from Texas has ever won that award in its 30 year history.

Will he be better in college? Don't know, but he has an incredible track record in high school.

[SLC]

How many of those guys won the Gatorade National Player of the year award? Let me answer for you. None. No football player from Texas has ever won that award in its 30 year history.

Will he be better in college? Don't know, but he has an incredible track record in high school.


Dont get awards or accolades confused with the greatness of the player on Friday nights. All the names he listed were great players and thats the point, they come more often then most people realize.

[chhspantherfan]

Dont get awards or accolades confused with the greatness of the player on Friday nights. All the names he listed were great players and thats the point, they come more often then most people realize.

exponentially so, :D my friend.

[Ltcav83]

Dont get awards or accolades confused with the greatness of the player on Friday nights. All the names he listed were great players and thats the point, they come more often then most people realize.

I agree with you and all were superb QB's. Do you think that Greg McElroy was as great as Garrett Gilbert was in high school?

[SLC]

I agree with you and all were superb QB's. Do you think that Greg McElroy was as great as Garrett Gilbert was in high school?


Aboslutely he was.

[chhspantherfan]

I agree with you and all were superb QB's. Do you think that Greg McElroy was as great as Garrett Gilbert was in high school?

how would YOU compare them?