Scout.Com's Top 100

[NewSherriffInTown]

Ohio 13 players, Texas 12...

Frog and Concha should go off on that.

Speaking of the top 100, Colerain has 2 of the top 100 players. Tyler Lee has zero.

[concha]

These lists are no more than polls, really. Part of the list is made up of "no-brainers" and the rest with guys who are solid but get on the list subjectively.

Colerain lineman Connor Smith is one of the "no-brainers". Cobrani Mixon, while excellent, is one of the guys who will make some lists and miss others.

As regards Texas vs. Ohio, I kinda have to shake my head. Ohio is 1/2 the size of Texas and simply does not put out as much talent. Perhaps it's a stand-out year for Ohio, but in a typical year with an objective look at both states, Texas should have several more players listed than Ohio.

[RidgePride]

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[pack0808]

this is a down year for texas according to the scouting sites. last year texas had a load!! like everybody said,ratings are very subjective.

[raidercheerdad]

Ohio 13 players, Texas 12...

Frog and Concha should go off on that.

Speaking of the top 100, Colerain has 2 of the top 100 players. Tyler Lee has zero.We're trembling in our boots. That's why we get to play the game on the field where the TEAM gets to play and not a couple of individuals! If Tekerrian Cuba were a senior, I think he'd be on the list!

[dragonfootballfan]

you guys should check out rivals list there are just as many Texas prospects but I think only 3 Ohio prospects. Scout lost all their credibility with me by ranking Symonette as the number one lineman. He has only played football for 1 year and that year he was injured for half of it.

[Texasfrog]

Ohio 13 players, Texas 12...

Frog and Concha should go off on that.

Speaking of the top 100, Colerain has 2 of the top 100 players. Tyler Lee has zero.

Again Wyatt Earp.. you clearly display that you really know "JACK" about High school football. Your so called High school football "expertise" is Prep football list, Prep National football Polls (that are a 100% joke) and Steamline videos....

These so called Prep list are fun and neat to look at, but they arent anywhere near a indicator of how good a "player" or especially a "team" plays much less a STATE. Most of these "LIST" are clearly about a certain players potential to be a solid D-1A football player. Key word-- POTENTIAL.

This is Texas. I think that speaks pretty much for itself when it comes to High school football.

Scouts has 12 Texans and 13 Ohians ( I guess that's correct Ohian's). Rivals has like 13 Texans and 4 Ohians. Wow, why such a huge difference ???

Again.. just like with the so called "national caliber High school team" which I believe Texas has about #15 each year that or so called "national level High school teams." No doubt that Ohio has about 5 , Oklahoma has about 3, Louisiana has about 4, Florida has about 5, California has about 6 and there is about 20 other elite caliber high school teams across the nation. I just believe that Texas is the clearly #1 in the so called "national depth".

Well, in recruits.. Its the same. Texas has about 200 Legit blue chips every year,, Florida has about 200 Legit blue chips, California has about 200 Legit blue chips, Ohio probably has about 45 Legit blue-chips each year and so forth. Key Word-- LEGIT BLUE CHIPS..

I think its totally "INSANE" when I see kids on the High school level labeled #1 or #50 or #150 and so forth. HECK.. I seen some Texas kids on those so called National Prep list that werent even the best player on their team.

What makes High school teams " GREAT" arent the blue-chips on the team. Its the "AVERAGE-Players" that arent Blue-chips that make Great teams GREAT !!!! TEXAS has 1,000 of so called GREAT players that arent Blue-chips and will probably never see "ONE DOWN" of college football.

[Katyexrb29]

Very true. The teams that have won championships these past years have all been team based teams with some talent. Lufkin, Northshore and a few others, on the other hand, had a very rare combo of both.

[Texasfrog]

Very true. The teams that have won championships these past years have all been team based teams with some talent. Lufkin, Northshore and a few others, on the other hand, had a very rare combo of both.


Katy is the biggest example of that. I think some of the Austin Westlake teams in the 90's also. They have their 2 Seniors and 2 Juniors that are D-1A kids.. but its those other so called "Average" players that put them into the upper level of High school football.

Texas is loaded with alot of GREAT "AVERAGE" players that arent blue-chips.

[concha]

Frog,

Do you just go out of your way to prove what an ignorant, hateful and biased jackass you are?

The guy posted a list. Simple (except for you). Not even HIS list. Yet you have to be all over him like a bad rash.

Then you have to go on your "If you ain't Texas you ain't S**T" rant.

Get out of our gene pool.

[concha]

Katy is the biggest example of that. I think some of the Austin Westlake teams in the 90's also. They have their 2 Seniors and 2 Juniors that are D-1A kids.. but its those other so called "Average" players that put them into the upper level of High school football.

Texas is loaded with alot of GREAT "AVERAGE" players that arent blue-chips.

And, of course, this can only happen in Texas, I suppose.

Check the rosters of the Moeller and St. Ignatius national poll title teams dating from the mid-70s (there are several). You don't necessarily have to find a ton of big-time D1A or future NFL talent....

[NewSherriffInTown]

Well I certainly stirred our favorite Texan up. I don't care what any rankings say. I didn't say I agree or disagree or ever care what these guys think. I just posted what it was, and said let's see what you had to say about it.


I guess I know you like a book already. It wasn't hard to figure out a complex person like you though lol.

[pack0808]

hey slc was the #1 ranked team in the nation and they had very few div1a players. div1a players does not always win championships. the best team usually wins not the team with the best talent. now if you have the best team and the best talent you really have it made.

[LarryFine]

this is a down year for texas according to the scouting sites. last year texas had a load!! like everybody said,ratings are very subjective.Actually, this is considered a great year for Texas high school prospects. Next year is supposedly a down year and last year wasn't that great. Look at all the LBs and QBs this class. Texas passed on Blake Collier because they already had 3 and a couple other targeted. If he was a SR last year I would guess be a part of their class. There seems to be a lot more DTs and OL this year too. Look at the WR still looking for big time offers, Clint Renfro, Lyle Leong, Durron Montgomery, etc. Last season Texas couldn't fill up their class, this year they are already nearly done.

As far as the #1 OL according to Scout, you have to remember they are rating these guys on college potential, not high school success. That kid has a lot of potential. He could be dominant if he can adjust and gets solid coaching and if he lands in Miami, he will get the coaching.

Understanding that my opinion here is considered useless, but when someone discusses a college prospect, it is different criteria than discussing the kid as a high school player. Being 1st team All-State doesn't mean you are a blue chip.

[ktchamp97]

Understanding that my opinion here is considered useless, but when someone discusses a college prospect, it is different criteria than discussing the kid as a high school player. Being 1st team All-State doesn't mean you are a blue chip.

LarryFine, you are absolutely 100% correct...except for the part about your opinion being useless of course.

[pack0808]

i could have sworn texas had a lot more players last year on the rivals list?? i know lufkin did. i respect rivals more then any other site. just my opinion. but sites like rivals miss many great recruits because it is too hard to keep up and i do not care how big your staff is. and in many cases, it is impossible to tell how good a player will be at the college level. a lot of it is guessing. i have seen 5 star recruits be horrible and i have seen 1 star recruits be all american. it is an impossible job!! yes they get their share right but they get a lot more wrong.

[Texasfrog]

Frog,

Do you just go out of your way to prove what an ignorant, hateful and biased jackass you are?

The guy posted a list. Simple (except for you). Not even HIS list. Yet you have to be all over him like a bad rash.

Then you have to go on your "If you ain't Texas you ain't S**T" rant.

Get out of our gene pool.

Ya, I think that Texas High school football speaks for itself. Get over your "Inferiority Complex" ok clown. Its only clear that you have one. This is a Texas High school football site. You come on here posting about OHIO. That's great that you want to post about Ohio football. But the moment anyone disagrees with you about anything that has to do with Ohio or Texas might do this.. You call them names, insults or a handful of other things. And it hasnt just been me.

Like I said... this is TEXAS and it speaks for itself. If you want to argue that Ohio is GREAT. Go to a OHIO football website.

Next,, Your inferiority complex (with Ohio football) just kicked into overdrive again with my comment about so called "average players" when I say that Texas is loaded with tons of great "average players." You come on here and call me basically a Texas "HOMER" and "TEXAS isnt the only State." Go back and look at the post and see where I ever tried to claim that Texas was the only State that had solid "AVERAGE players ??" Go look for it !!!!

Yes, I think Ohio has some good "AVERAGE Players." Now, do I think Ohio is anywhere near the numbers as Texas with these so called "AVERAGE Players".. NOPE !!!! Texas probably has somewhere in the ballpark of a 4/1 ratio of so called "great average players" over a State like OHIO. It doesnt take a math wheez to see that either. I think it pretty obvious that Texas has alot more "ATHLETES" just in share numbers than OHIO. ALOT MORE!!!

Heck.. just go look at the track results and its clear that Texas has about a 10/1 ratio with just the speed kids much less the beef boys on the lines...

If Ohio had such great numbers with the so called "average players" then teams like Miami (OHIO), OHIO St and a few other Ohio College teams wouldnt have Texas boys starting for them like they do.

They wouldnt have alot of NON-Ohians kids dotting all the football rosters of their D-1A schools (like they do).

Gee.. I guess that we should honestly call this Texas football site really the Ohio football site because all you really want to come on it for is to talk about Ohio football. When someone questions you about it you "ATTACK" or "INSULT" them.

PS. Dont worry about my GENE POOL either. Since you want to talk about Gene pools. Again.. just another example of your insults.

PS. Why does Rivals have 12 Texas kids and only 4 Ohio kids ? Ponder that..

Why are there Texas kids on Ohio college football rosters but I'm 99 % sure you wont find one Ohio kid on any Texas college roster. Why ?????

[RidgePride]

Administrator -

Could you Ban Concha? -

Pumping up your State is reasonable
But Concha comes on and argues in a deconstructive way with every Texas high school sports debate.

If we want to have a discussion on surprise TEXAS teams for 2005, Concha will come on and tell us that the surprises will come from Ohio - then he will provide his list. Then he will sit back and wait for everyone to argue with him.

I personally do not care about the teams (or Athletes) in Ohio unless it pertains to who Our schools will play.

When the Topic is Colerain Vs Lee, then Ohio stuff is fine to me.

[Texasfrog]

i could have sworn texas had a lot more players last year on the rivals list?? i know lufkin did. i respect rivals more then any other site. just my opinion. but sites like rivals miss many great recruits because it is too hard to keep up and i do not care how big your staff is. and in many cases, it is impossible to tell how good a player will be at the college level. a lot of it is guessing. i have seen 5 star recruits be horrible and i have seen 1 star recruits be all american. it is an impossible job!! yes they get their share right but they get a lot more wrong.


They do. Texas has 12 kids on the early Rivals National 100 players. I think Texas is tied with California.

And yes your 100% right. I've seen some of these so called 4 Star and 5 Star players that werent even the best player on their High school team because some "no name" average kid was better. Just they didnt have the "POTENTIAL" to really get better or advance their skills and they were topped out with their OLB or DE ( 5-10/190/4.7 size and speed.)

[Texasfrog]

Administrator -

Could you Ban Concha? -

Pumping up your State is reasonable
But Concha comes on and argues in a deconstructive way with every Texas high school sports debate.

If we want to have a discussion on surprise TEXAS teams for 2005, Concha will come on and tell us that the surprises will come from Ohio - then he will provide his list. Then he will sit back and wait for everyone to argue with him.

I personally do not care about the teams (or Athletes) in Ohio unless it pertains to who Our schools will play.

When the Topic is Colerain Vs Lee, then Ohio stuff is fine to me.


Thanks Ridge.. hopefully it wont get any further than this. I do love Texas football and that's why I like to come to a Texas football site and talk to other Texans about football from around our Great State.

I respect other from other States and their opinions. I also know that their is great football teams outside of Texas because I've seen them in person and on tape (DVD). It doesnt take a brain child to see they are solid teams with their skill and line play execution. But, every team I've ever seen a great NON-Tx team... I know they arent any better than many Texas great teams. They might beat the Texas team but it wont be a blowout if everything is even (travel, neutral field, , neutral REF's, ect....).

I'm going to always defend and base my points on Texas football. But, again the last time I looked this was a Texas football website. I can tell you 100% that I've NEVER posted on a Ohio, California, Louisiana , Florida or any other State football website. I only post on Texas football websites and I post on this one like 99% of the time.

Concha has some good points sometimes that even "I respect". But, he gets all rilled up whenever someone says that Texas is this or Texas is that and they dont include Ohio in the subject. But, again..last time I looked this was a Texas football site.

[LarryFine]

I'm going to always defend and base my points on Texas football.I think the numbers speak for themselves. Texas always puts more HS players in D1 than any other state, 10% of the NFL played HS football in TX, Dallas puts more D1 players than any other city. (Of course SMU, UNT, & TCU help skew that abit.)

[ktchamp97]

Administrator -

Could you Ban Concha? -

Pumping up your State is reasonable
But Concha comes on and argues in a deconstructive way with every Texas high school sports debate.

If we want to have a discussion on surprise TEXAS teams for 2005, Concha will come on and tell us that the surprises will come from Ohio - then he will provide his list. Then he will sit back and wait for everyone to argue with him.

I personally do not care about the teams (or Athletes) in Ohio unless it pertains to who Our schools will play.

When the Topic is Colerain Vs Lee, then Ohio stuff is fine to me.

RidgePride,

How can I ban a guy for responding when the original post is directed at him? The whole basis of the thread was meant to get he and Texasfrog debating and it worked.

The only thing that's wrong with concha is that he's not from Texas ;). Really, in most of his posts, he acknowledges that Texas has the better football. All I see is a guy sticking up for his state...much like most of you guys stick up for your teams. And, since there has, in fact, been a great deal of discussion about Texas v. Ohio in light of the Lee-Colerain game, I see nothing wrong with him interjecting his opinion on such matters.

Do I wish he and Texasfrog would be less confrontational and not get as personal? Sure, but for the most part they are both quite civil and the bring about some interesting debate.

[dragonfootballfan]

thanks KT,

If you had banned Concha for arguing a national point in a national topic, I probably would not have posted anymore. Concha has never argued for an Ohio topic in a forum that was either not titled for a national based conversation or one where national based conversation has come up.

[Texasfrog]

I think the numbers speak for themselves. Texas always puts more HS players in D1 than any other state, 10% of the NFL played HS football in TX, Dallas puts more D1 players than any other city. (Of course SMU, UNT, & TCU help skew that abit.)

I know Larry.. the numbers dont lie at all. Anyone that even halfway follows football knows that Texas is clearly one of the top 3 and in my opinion the top (but that's my opinion) in High school football.

Again, I dont really think its those so called elite (National blue-chips & future NFL players) that make the Texas High school football so good. I honestly think that its the 1,000's of very solid so called "average players" that will never see a down of college football that make Texas HS football so great. And YES,, I think Texas has alot more of those so called "great average players" than any other State.

I think the towns, schools, programs and about 100 other things make it that way in Texas that no other State can truly match and those that arent from Texas dont really have a clue and dont really understand it so they find it crazy.

I know a State like Ohio has some of that Texas style tradition in their HS football. I'm sure there is a passion in Ohio. I would truly be living on another planet if I didnt think that. But, I know Texas has alot more of it (share numbers) and that in itself makes it alot bigger than Ohio can even think about.

Is there good average players in Ohio , YES. But, I honestly believe where they have 1 ,,, Texas has about 4 to maybe 5...

[concha]

Administrator -

Could you Ban Concha? -

Pumping up your State is reasonable
But Concha comes on and argues in a deconstructive way with every Texas high school sports debate. [How? Where? Please show us. This is BS.]

If we want to have a discussion on surprise TEXAS teams for 2005, Concha will come on and tell us that the surprises will come from Ohio - then he will provide his list. Then he will sit back and wait for everyone to argue with him. [This is, of course, made up. Pure RidgePride fantasy.]

I personally do not care about the teams (or Athletes) in Ohio unless it pertains to who Our schools will play.

When the Topic is Colerain Vs Lee, then Ohio stuff is fine to me.

I refer you back to the #2 post in this thread made by me. I attacked no one (unlike a certain amphibian friend of ours). I even point out that Texas should have more kids listed than Ohio!!!! I should be banned for that??

Weak.

[concha]

thanks KT,

If you had banned Concha for arguing a national point in a national topic, I probably would not have posted anymore. Concha has never argued for an Ohio topic in a forum that was either not titled for a national based conversation or one where national based conversation has come up.

Thanks, and to you also KT....

There are some on here with Texas-sized imaginations and very thin skins....

[RidgePride]

thanks KT,

If you had banned Concha for arguing a national point in a national topic, I probably would not have posted anymore. Concha has never argued for an Ohio topic in a forum that was either not titled for a national based conversation or one where national based conversation has come up.


It is not like I really thought Concha would be banned.
I do really get tired of the (Ohio this - - Ohio that) talk especially when we are trying to talk Texas Football.

If the subject calls for it, then The Ohio talk is fine to me. I have stated before that I wish there were more people from Ohio that posted about the REL vs Colerain game. I love the insight from the Ohio natives.

Concha is simply overkill.

[concha]

RidgePride,

FYI, I do not post on the great majority of threads on this site, genius. Of the 40+ threads on the main page, I have posts in probably half-a-dozen. And in some of those you will find very few posts of mine at all.

Stop being ridiculous.

[businesstron]

This doesn't pertain to the arguement(or even Texas or Ohio) But I think Mitch Mustain is overated to be #1 Qb on that list....

[Texasfrog]

This doesn't pertain to the arguement(or even Texas or Ohio) But I think Mitch Mustain is overated to be #1 Qb on that list....

I saw him last year in the BorderBowl (ECA vs Springdale) and he looked pretty good. I think it was his first game to start in HS. His a pretty good athlete and has a nice arm. He also has a nice supporting cast of players around him.

I dont know if I would put him #1 either. I think this year more than others there is a group of about (15 or so) seniors QB from around the nation that probably are on par with each other in most areas (arm strength, speed, poise, athletic and ect) & Yes, I think about four of those 15 players are Texas kids ( Snead, Stafford, Bowie, McElroy) with a couple of other Tx boys right on their heels. I think Tyler Lee's QB-Preston Hill is going to surprise alot of people this season.

[Red Raiders]

RidgePride,

How can I ban a guy for responding when the original post is directed at him? The whole basis of the thread was meant to get he and Texasfrog debating and it worked.

The only thing that's wrong with concha is that he's not from Texas ;). Really, in most of his posts, he acknowledges that Texas has the better football. All I see is a guy sticking up for his state...much like most of you guys stick up for your teams. And, since there has, in fact, been a great deal of discussion about Texas v. Ohio in light of the Lee-Colerain game, I see nothing wrong with him interjecting his opinion on such matters.

Do I wish he and Texasfrog would be less confrontational and not get as personal? Sure, but for the most part they are both quite civil and the bring about some interesting debate.

I agree with you about Concha, He didn't do anything wrong to criticize us or anything. I just thought Concha and Texasfrog has very interesting post on this board alot of times. They are here to give us information sometimes and thats great! I am actually learning from yall about Football and also others too. Come on, We are an american!

[Texasfrog]

RidgePride,

FYI, I do not post on the great majority of threads on this site, genius. Of the 40+ threads on the main page, I have posts in probably half-a-dozen. And in some of those you will find very few posts of mine at all.

Stop being ridiculous.

Nobody has a problem with your Ohio post. That's great. Your problem is when you think someone is putting down (which in most cases isnt the CASE) or not given OHIO some due or credit that you think.

You "ATTACK" them or "INSULT" them openly in this forum. I have a "NEWSFLASH" for you Concheee- This is a Texas football forum so 99.9% of the talk and posting is going to be about Texas and it's teams and players. If you take it as an insult because we're talking about Texas.... SORRY..

Ya, there is more talk this season between Tx vs Ohio because of the match-up between two State Champs (Tyler Lee vs Colerain). Nobody has insulted Colerain. Heck, I've even stated myself about a 1,000 times now that last years team would of been right there with about 15 Texas teams. ( I know you take that as a major insult), but its not. I also strongly feel that there was about 15 Texas teams that could of played with them because they matched up with ( skill, speed, size, coaching and everything else) on the football field. Colerain would of won some of those games and they would of lost some of those games.

Nobody said that Ohio didnt have "solid average athletes". I"m sure teams like St.Iggy, Elder, Moeller and a few other Ohio teams have solid so called "average players" dotting the roster with their handful of D-1A blue-chips. Nobody not saying that !!!!! What I'm saying is you have NO WHERE near the numbers with those kids as Texas does.. The numbers "DONT LIE."

Sport Illust. did a National study about 5 years ago. Just to give you some insight to how big the numbers are in Texas. One in every Five High school football player in America was playing in Texas (1/5). That is a HUGE ratio number favoring Texas. There is freaking 50 States in America !!! That means that somewhere around 20% of all the HS players in America are playing in TEXAS. That number dwarfs OHIO I can promise you that. Ohio probably accounts for 4% maybe 6% of the High school players in America. The numbers DONT LIE !!!!

So, yes.. I think Texas has probably in the ball park about 5 Great so called "average players" compared to about every 1 so called great "average player" in Ohio.

If you think Ohio is equal to Texas with those type and level players... FINE. I just dont remotely see how its even possible though.

TEAMS: I again will say that I think Texas has about 15 elite "national level" teams each year that can play with anyone in the country (win or lose some games) when everything is even (travel time, neutral field, neutral ref's). I think Ohio probably has about 4 or so elite "national level teams" every year.

I think the share numbers size, athletes, amount of teams and ect just favor Texas greatly over a State like Ohio with share numbers.

Does this mean that the 2004 Colerain team was inferior or bad. NOPE !!! I've said about 1,000 times that they were good (just not better than some Texas teams) and that Ohio has about 4 teams every year that can come play with the Texas best and compete very well.

I think your problem Concheeee. Is you dont like someone stating that the 2004 Colerain team could of been competed with by anyone. You cant even imagine that some other High School team across America (especially Texas) could think that someone could compete with Ohio finest.

[Texasfrog]

I agree with you about Concha, He didn't do anything wrong to criticize us or anything. I just thought Concha and Texasfrog has very interesting post on this board alot of times. They are here to give us information sometimes and thats great! I am actually learning from yall about Football and also others too. Come on, We are an american!


That's right. We are all American. I served 9 years in the military defending not just my American right but everyones so we can have the freedom to express our thoughts on such great things as High School football.

And since I just found out that anywhere from 8 to maybe 12 of my old team-mates might have been killed in a heli crash in the "STAN" I'm a little more humble right now.

Anyway.. REDRAIDER !! What do you know about the new Tyler Lee LB-George Faber ? Is he a baller ??

[concha]

I saw a recent study of D1A signees that has Texas:Ohio at 2.4:1. Better than the 2x population advantage but far different than the 4:1 or 5:1 you claim.

Froggy, this is just yet another thing that you just create in your tiny little melon and pass off like it's fact.

Moeller being the top passing team in Ohio? You have stated this many times even though you really have NO CLUE if its true or not. None. Zero. Zilch. You vomit a statement and then act like it's up to others to survey all of Ohio to see if it's true. Hey, Froggy, how about just knowing what your talking about instead of regaling us with your BS? Is that too much to ask?

"Ohio teams run 90% of the time"? A classic Frogism. It is just so assinine and stupid that it defies belief. Again, no backup, no proof, just a useless personal opinion from Froggy based on zero research and zero fact (because no facts on earth would ever support it).

"Texas has 15 national-level teams and Ohio 4". More opinion from Froggy pulled from his tuckus.

Much of what you spew on this site and treat like it's Gospel is just hilarious to read.

[Texasfrog]

I saw a recent study of D1A signees that has Texas:Ohio at 2.4:1. Better than the 2x population advantage but far different than the 4:1 or 5:1 you claim.

Froggy, this is just yet another thing that you just create in your tiny little melon and pass off like it's fact.

Moeller being the top passing team in Ohio? You have stated this many times even though you really have NO CLUE if its true or not. None. Zero. Zilch. You vomit a statement and then act like it's up to others to survey all of Ohio to see if it's true. Hey, Froggy, how about just knowing what your talking about instead of regaling us with your BS? Is that too much to ask?

"Ohio teams run 90% of the time"? A classic Frogism. It is just so assinine and stupid that it defies belief. Again, no backup, no proof, just a useless personal opinion from Froggy based on zero research and zero fact (because no facts on earth would ever support it).

"Texas has 15 national-level teams and Ohio 4". More opinion from Froggy pulled from his tuckus.

Much of what you spew on this site and treat like it's Gospel is just hilarious to read.

Well Concheee.. Again, you sidestep everything and call it a LIE or distorton. That's right there with your usual M.O.

Moeller isnt the top Ohio passing team ? Than who was it amigo ? Show us ? Somehow I think they were. You call me a liar and distorter but you never add any PROOF to who was the top Ohio passing team. You just call me a liar. GIVE PROOF !!!! Show us the final season stats of the number one (Ohio large school) that was better at passing than Moeller. GIVE PROOF.!!!!!!!

"I" put the Ohio Catholic League stats on here (NOT YOU). Ooopss , they looked like alot of "AVERAGE TX 5A Schools" for the most part with there STATS. Average Texas teams !!! You retort by saying that Ohio puts more into playing defense and thats why the offensive stats arent that impressive. You know how I respond to that ??? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... Ohio puts more into defense. My God that's a freaking JOKE.

You know and I know that the Texas offensive are just freaking BETTER !!!! More speed and more skill and more players and more depth in TEXAS.

The Sport Illustrated article didnt lie. Unless again, your calling me a liar that it wasnt in there. It said that 1 in 5 High school football players in America were playing in Texas. (1/5). Maybe Sports Illust. is lying !!!

Heck.. I just got the new 2005 Dave Campbells. Here amigo on page #59 they post the D-1A signees.

Texas= 362 ( and they missed a couple kids)
Ohio = 139

dang,,, looks like almost 3/1 with those Tx blue-chips over Ohio blue-chips huh...!!!!!!
Heck, maybe Dave Campbells got something wrong from the NCAA stats.

I know Concheee.. I'm a liar and distorter while you're full of honestly and truth. Show us the Stats. GET THEM. I know, I know, I know.. why do that when it's so much easier to just call me a liar !!!!

Maybe the so called Ohio "TRUTH" from you isnt as easy to find as you say it is....

The numbers dont lie... JUST YOU !!!

[Texasfrog]

Also Concheee learn to read again. Even though Texas clearly has about a 3/1 margin over Ohio with D-1A blue-chips.

I was talking about the average players (Non-blue chips) that wont probably ever see a down of college football. They are just plain very good average High school players.

I strongly believe that Texas has somewhere in the ballpark of a (4/1) ratio over a State like Ohio with those level of kids.

I dont think the numbers lie. Unless your just going to say something totally off the wall stupid like "well every Ohio High school football players is a great baller." The share numbers advantage that Texas has over Ohio is so great. Its not even close !!!!!

I could break it down more as far as the elite players by looking at the NFL where Texas far more than doubles Ohio with those players.

Again.. maybe I'm just a liar and distorter according to the great Conchee.

Show proof Conche.. Show PROOF !!! or is the proof hard to find for ya ???


It almost like when you look at the Texas UIL track results vs the OHSAA track results and you can clearly see that Texas has like a 7/1 speed advantage over Ohio with just the speed kids. Those numbers dont lie and its right there to look at.

[Texasfrog]

Ohh I forgot Conchee. Your opinion is the truth and everyone else's opinion is just a lie or distortion. Even though many of my opinions are backed with (sources) they are still a lie according to you and your OPINION (with no sources) are the truth.

Give PROOF. Show sources Conchee.. GIVE PROOF !! Give a source.

This your opinion is the truth and everyone elses is a joke "DONT CUT IT."

Show me the #1 (Ohio D-1 or large school) that was a better passing team with stats over Moeller !!! Show me. You tell me that you know Ohio football. Heck, it should be an easy no brainer for ya. Show Me !!!!

Maybe the so called "truth" aint so easy huh !!!!

[concha]

Also Concheee learn to read again. Even though Texas clearly has about a 3/1 margin over Ohio with D-1A blue-chips. [Proof?]

I was talking about the average players (Non-blue chips) that wont probably ever see a down of college football. They are just plain very good average High school players. [So you are just guessing. An opinion not at all in-line with actaul D1A stats. TexasGuessingFroggy]

I strongly believe that Texas has somewhere in the ballpark of a (4/1) ratio over a State like Ohio with those level of kids. [You also believe that Ohio teams run 90% of the time. Which is more ridiculous? You are laughable.]

I dont think the numbers lie. Unless your just going to say something totally off the wall stupid like "well every Ohio High school football players is a great baller." The share numbers advantage that Texas has over Ohio is so great. Its not even close !!!!! [WHAT numbers, jackass? The ones you pull out of your fantasy world?]

I could break it down more as far as the elite players by looking at the NFL where Texas far more than doubles Ohio with those players. [And is 2x the size of Ohio to begin with, Mr. Einstein.]

Again.. maybe I'm just a liar and distorter according to the great Conchee.

Show proof Conche.. Show PROOF !!! or is the proof hard to find for ya ???


It almost like when you look at the Texas UIL track results vs the OHSAA track results and you can clearly see that Texas has like a 7/1 speed advantage over Ohio with just the speed kids. Those numbers dont lie and its right there to look at. [What math did you use to calculate "7/1". i'm curious.]
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[concha]

Ohh I forgot Conchee. Your opinion is the truth and everyone else's opinion is just a lie or distortion. Even though many of my opinions are backed with (sources) they are still a lie according to you and your OPINION (with no sources) are the truth.

Give PROOF. Show sources Conchee.. GIVE PROOF !! Give a source.

This your opinion is the truth and everyone elses is a joke "DONT CUT IT."

Show me the #1 (Ohio D-1 or large school) that was a better passing team with stats over Moeller !!! Show me. You tell me that you know Ohio football. Heck, it should be an easy no brainer for ya. Show Me !!!!

Maybe the so called "truth" aint so easy huh !!!!

Yawn. You talk out your tuckus and I'm supposed to waste my time proving or disproving soemthing you have no clue about to begin with? Please. Just educate yourself. Stop trying pass off your opinions as fact when you have no clue whether it is or not.

[concha]

Well Concheee.. Again, you sidestep everything and call it a LIE or distorton. That's right there with your usual M.O.

Moeller isnt the top Ohio passing team ? Than who was it amigo ? Show us ? Somehow I think they were. You call me a liar and distorter but you never add any PROOF to who was the top Ohio passing team. [YOU make statements and have no clue if they true or not. That is YOU. You know what they call it when someone does what you do? S-M-A-C-K and IGNORANCE] You just call me a liar. GIVE PROOF !!!! Show us the final season stats of the number one (Ohio large school) that was better at passing than Moeller. GIVE PROOF.!!!!!!!

"I" put the Ohio Catholic League stats on here (NOT YOU). Ooopss , they looked like alot of "AVERAGE TX 5A Schools" for the most part with there STATS. Average Texas teams !!! You retort by saying that Ohio puts more into playing defense and thats why the offensive stats arent that impressive. You know how I respond to that ??? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... Ohio puts more into defense. My God that's a freaking JOKE. [So if Texas offenses put up great stats then what does that say about the defenses? Eh???? Oh, and let's not forget why those stats were posted. Because of your freaking ridiculous claims about Ohio teams running 90% of the time!! And then when they showed that Ohio teams had very balanced pass:rush ratios, then you switched your story and got all over Moeller for passing too much!!! Shuck and jive...shuck and jive!! What a JOKE.]

You know and I know that the Texas offensive are just freaking BETTER !!!! More speed and more skill and more players and more depth in TEXAS. [Again, so what's the sory with the Texas DEFENSES, then??!!]

The Sport Illustrated article didnt lie. Unless again, your calling me a liar that it wasnt in there. It said that 1 in 5 High school football players in America were playing in Texas. (1/5). Maybe Sports Illust. is lying !!!

Heck.. I just got the new 2005 Dave Campbells. Here amigo on page #59 they post the D-1A signees.

Texas= 362 ( and they missed a couple kids)
Ohio = 139

dang,,, looks like almost 3/1 with those Tx blue-chips over Ohio blue-chips huh...!!!!!! [I have never claimed that Ohio puts out more talent. In fact I have stated the opposite. Your numbers work out to 2.6:1.]
Heck, maybe Dave Campbells got something wrong from the NCAA stats.

I know Concheee.. I'm a liar and distorter while you're full of honestly and truth. Show us the Stats. GET THEM. I know, I know, I know.. why do that when it's so much easier to just call me a liar !!!!

Maybe the so called Ohio "TRUTH" from you isnt as easy to find as you say it is....

The numbers dont lie... JUST YOU !!!
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Point out a single lie I have stated.

[RockinL]

Concha, did you see Colerain play last year?

[concha]

In person, no. Why do you ask?

[RockinL]

In person, no. Why do you ask?
I was just wondering about their level of competition last year.

I know Ive read on Yappi where some say they had a soft schedule. Im sure some of that is just sour grapes, but how was their competition last year?

[concha]

I was just wondering about their level of competition last year.

I know Ive read on Yappi where some say they had a soft schedule. Im sure some of that is just sour grapes, but how was their competition last year?

Elder was down (two games versus Colerain). After two straight state titles they came in 3rd in their league. Still good, but probably their weakest team in at least 3 years.

Moeller was better than Elder, and good, but not great. Southwestern Ohio was down last year, no question. Their other best competitor last year may have been Centerville, who went into the game 11-0 and averaging 35-40 ppg. I believe they were shut out 35-0.

Colerain's best competition would have come from up north (St. Edward, Glenville for example). It was a strange year because the top 3-5 teams up there bumped each other off and then Glenville screwed the pooch against McKinley, who went on to the final. McKinley was, at best, between #10-#15 in Ohio D1 last year and really had no business in the final.

Overall I'd say that due to no fault of their own, Colerain played one of the weaker schedules that an Ohio D1 champion hass faced in recent years. That said, even given what I have just written, their level of domination speaks to them being an exceptional team last year.

[concha]

RockinL,
Just to be clear, Colerain's schedule was not as tough as SLC's. Clearly not. However, that said, Colerain' average game was 46-6 and after week one they never won by less than 28. That is domination.

[NewSherriffInTown]

Did that guy seriously want Concha banned??


LOL. Amazing.


Concha doesn't START anything, he just embarrasses Froggy after he starts in on him.


I did a great job with this topic.


KT...It wasn't completely meant to be a sh*t-stirrer, I just wanted to hear Frog go off about being out blue-chipped by a state half of Texas.

He keeps putting me as the enemy, yet I want Lee to win by 40 points.

Although, he also makes me want to see Ohio win the game so will shut his overbearing trap.

[RockinL]

RockinL,
Just to be clear, Colerain's schedule was not as tough as SLC's. Clearly not. However, that said, Colerain' average game was 46-6 and after week one they never won by less than 28. That is domination.

Im not an SLC fan. I respect them as a team.......and they do have an outstanding offense, but Im probably only 1 of about 2 football fans in Texas who doesnt think they were the best overall team in Texas last year.

[drgnbkr]

I'm biased but how could you say they were not the best team? After the road they had to take to get there....The only team you could throw out there would be Tyler Lee and Lufkin handled them right?

[RockinL]

I'm biased but how could you say they were not the best team? After the road they had to take to get there....The only team you could throw out there would be Tyler Lee and Lufkin handled them right?

I said "overall". A great teams defense doesnt allow an average of 3-4 TD's over the course of the season. What SLC does do as well as anyone Ive seen is....they will outscore everyone. They wont hold many teams to less than 3 TD's...but they will score more TD's.

Yes, even though SLC beat Lufkin, I still think on any given day, Lufkin was a better "overall" team.

[drgnbkr]

Whatever...I guess they will just have to keep beating Lufkin for you to see the light....Lufkin is 0 - forever vs. Carroll..We love the Pack & their fans..maybe you guys might mix in a win against the purple, then you can try the "Weak" Carroll D.... :rolleyes:

[Texasfrog]

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Point out a single lie I have stated.

Again "Concheee" you give " ZERO" FACTS or Sources to your opinion. You and your girlfriend "Wyatt Earp" can go walk through the daisy's together and just call everyone a LIAR or distorter without ever giving one Source for a FACT...


Your talk is cheap !!!!

Also get over trying to cry that Texas is way bigger than Ohio.. The United States Census Bereau says:

Texas = 22 million
Ohio = 11.5 million

So, Texas is RIGHT AT twice the population of Ohio isnt it. Just we TEXAS put out almost 3/1 major college players and almost 2.5/1 NFL players dont we. Wow.. if you look at those ratio numbers they sure tend to show that Texas puts out alot more top line football players on all levels. HUH ?!?!?!?! Heck ,, maybe I'm just a liar and distorter again.

Here let me make it easy for ya CONCHEEE. NFLHS.com says. Texas has 174 NFL players and Ohio had 73. Ok,, double your 73. That's 73+73= 146. Wow, when you even double Ohio's NFL players to make the ratio even with Texas you're still almost an NFL team down to equally Texas with NFL players.

So the whole point is this Conchee. It isnt that there is more superior talent in Ohio compared to Texas.

There is a speed difference. Just hate to tell you that it also clearly indicates that Texas pretty blows Ohio away with the Speed kids. All you have to do is go look at the UIL track results and compare them to the OHSAA track results and it clearly shows that doenst it. Speed..(Texas hands down).

Now... you call me a liar and distorter because it looks like Moeller was probably Ohio #1 passing team. I say , "Moeller was probably Ohio's #1 passing team." You call me names and this and that.. BUT, you show "ZERO" proof to disprove me. You say that "your from Ohio and you should know !" Fine Mr. Ohio, show me the money....!! Who was the #1 passing school in Ohio ?? Whooooooooooo, show me. Maybe the so called "Truth" according to you isnt that easy huh.. AGAIN .SHOW ME !!!!!... MR. expert on OHIO !!!!!!

You were the big,, big,,big,,big STAT dude when you were trying to show that SLC wasnt all that !! Now, that I have shown how weak in the Stat area some of your so called bigtime OHIO schools (Catholic League) were you attack. Dont get PISSED because their Stats were just say "AVERAGE" at best compared to many Texas powers when it comes to offense.

Yes, I think the Texas offense are alot better overall compared to Ohio. Texas spends alot more time getting offensives prepared then Ohio does.

The Texas defensives arent shabby either. You can ask our neighbors to the East (Louisiana) that if you like.

And Yes.. I think Texas has more top line so called "national level" teams compared to Ohio. I say that Texas has somewhere in the ballpark of 15 top line teams every year and Ohio probably has somewhere in the area of 5 top line national level teams. Ya, that 15 Texas to about 5 Ohio teams that can honestly claim to be a national level team.

The overall competition depth in Texas compared to Ohio is pretty much a "NO BRAINER" if you just look at the numbers themselves.


You know.. since your a class dude and think your cool talking crap to people. You would be lucky to be in my GENE POOL clown..

Ya,,, just looking over the 10 Texas D-1A teams. Dont see one Ohio kid playing in Texas. Not ONE !!!

Let's seeeee.

Miami (Ohio) x 3 Texas kids
QB- Dan Raudabaugh - Coppel, Tx
Cb- Steve Burke - Klein ,Tx
LB - Chris Hudson - Arlington Bowie

Ohio St.X 3 Texas kids
DB- Ashton Youboty - Klein Oak, Tx - STARTER :)
LB- Anthony Schlegal - Highland Park, Tx - STARTER :)
Rb- James Ashton - Katy, Tx

Toledo X 4 Texas kids
Wr- David Washington - Baytown Sterling, Tx
RB- Quinton Broussard - Colony ,Tx
OL- Aaron Albritton - Anahuac, Tx
OL- Jesse Anderson - Colony , Tx

Ohio x 3 Texas kids
DB- TJ Wright - Beaumont Ozen, Tx
DB- Tony Ward - Beaumont Ozen ,Tx
DB- Steve Jackson - Austin Westlake, Tx

Wow,, 13 Texas kids on football scholarships to play at Ohio schools. Hmmmm :confused:

Wow, two Texas kids start for the mighty Ohio St !!!! Whats even more confusing is they are Texas defensive players. I just wonder how this inferior defensive High school State of Texas can have two Texas kids starting for the mighty Ohio St when ya'll clearly dedicate so much more to defense (according to you Concheee). I'm going to count the tackles they make when UT plays Ohio St. just for you......

Again... something about depth of talent comes to my mind when I look at just that little fact. Hmmmm.

Now, this is when you come back and "HAVE ZERO FACTS" and just call me names and liar and ect and post that its all a big Froggism lie.

Depth my SON !! The numbers dont lie. YOu have a few National level teams (about 5 most years) but the depth of talented teams in Ohio is about like Louisiana. Which is pretty sad because Louisiana has about 4 million people to Ohio's 11.5 million people but I can promise you there football is about equal to Ohio's.

But in Texas.. you're a DREAMER.

[Texasfrog]

Did that guy seriously want Concha banned??


LOL. Amazing.


Concha doesn't START anything, he just embarrasses Froggy after he starts in on him.


I did a great job with this topic.


KT...It wasn't completely meant to be a sh*t-stirrer, I just wanted to hear Frog go off about being out blue-chipped by a state half of Texas.

He keeps putting me as the enemy, yet I want Lee to win by 40 points.

Although, he also makes me want to see Ohio win the game so will shut his overbearing trap.

Hey Wyatt Earp.. I know that your knowledge of High school football is list and USA Today Polls and streamline videos.

So, why does Rivals have 12 Texans and just 4 Ohio players on their top 100 ? Just wondering what the Mr. List man has to say ?

PS. You still havent told me what kind of Cowboy hat and boots you bought.. What brand did you buy ? Dont lie either because I know that was probably one of the first things you did when you moved to Texas.

[Shoot2thrill]

True enough you don't have to ban any of the out of state Texas football "experts".Thanks to this site's ignore list, you don't have to be subjected to their mindless bloviating (go ahead and look up the word). Guys who live in New York, Georgia, and Florida putting up garbonzo numbers talking up Texas football. :confused: While I defend their right to do so, I do not have to read anything they say and neither do you. :cool:

[concha]

True enough you don't have to ban any of the out of state Texas football "experts".Thanks to this site's ignore list, you don't have to be subjected to their mindless bloviating (go ahead and look up the word). Guys who live in New York, Georgia, and Florida putting up garbonzo numbers talking up Texas football. :confused: While I defend their right to do so, I do not have to read anything they say and neither do you. :cool:

This is the second time at least that a Texan has used a word with more than two syllables and suggested that others would need to look it up. Hilarious (look it up). You act like "bloviating" is some obscure technical term known only to a small handful of English-speakers. Get back to the dictionary and try again.

[concha]

Flog..where to begin. You are tedious.

Again "Concheee" you give " ZERO" FACTS or Sources to your opinion. You and your girlfriend "Wyatt Earp" can go walk through the daisy's together and just call everyone a LIAR or distorter without ever giving one Source for a FACT... I give no facts? You must be joking. Mister "Moeller is the top passing team in Ohio" (which you DON'T know to be true or not) and "Ohio teams run 90% of the time" - the most assinine and terminally stupid comment of the century - is questioning my veracity (look it up ;) )??


Your talk is cheap !!!! And yours is assinine.

Also get over trying to cry that Texas is way bigger than Ohio.. The United States Census Bereau says:

Texas = 22 million
Ohio = 11.5 million

So, Texas is RIGHT AT twice the population of Ohio isnt it. Just we TEXAS put out almost 3/1 major college players and almost 2.5/1 NFL players dont we. Wow.. if you look at those ratio numbers they sure tend to show that Texas puts out alot more top line football players on all levels. HUH ?!?!?!?! Heck ,, maybe I'm just a liar and distorter again. Jackass - I have never stated otherwise. Get "Hooked on Phonics". Now tha you have actually decided to edcuate yourself, how about checking into Moe's status as the "the #1 passing team in Ohio" and also look into whether or not Ohio schools run 90% of the time (or is it 3/4s now since you atrted changing your tune?). Don't you even want to know if the crap that comes out of your mouth is even remotely true?

Here let me make it easy for ya CONCHEEE. NFLHS.com says. Texas has 174 NFL players and Ohio had 73. Ok,, double your 73. That's 73+73= 146. Wow, when you even double Ohio's NFL players to make the ratio even with Texas you're still almost an NFL team down to equally Texas with NFL players.

So the whole point is this Conchee. It isnt that there is more superior talent in Ohio compared to Texas.

There is a speed difference. Just hate to tell you that it also clearly indicates that Texas pretty blows Ohio away with the Speed kids. All you have to do is go look at the UIL track results and compare them to the OHSAA track results and it clearly shows that doenst it. Speed..(Texas hands down).

Now... you call me a liar and distorter because it looks like Moeller was probably Ohio #1 passing team. I say , "Moeller was probably Ohio's #1 passing team." You call me names and this and that.. BUT, you show "ZERO" proof to disprove me. You say that "your from Ohio and you should know !" Fine Mr. Ohio, show me the money....!! Who was the #1 passing school in Ohio ?? Whooooooooooo, show me. Maybe the so called "Truth" according to you isnt that easy huh.. AGAIN .SHOW ME !!!!!... MR. expert on OHIO !!!!!! I repeat: "No". You make the statement from a position og utter ignorance and I'm supposed to do your research for you? Get real.

You were the big,, big,,big,,big STAT dude when you were trying to show that SLC wasnt all that !! Now, that I have shown how weak in the Stat area some of your so called bigtime OHIO schools (Catholic League) were you attack. Dont get PISSED because their Stats were just say "AVERAGE" at best compared to many Texas powers when it comes to offense. I am not "pissed" at all. There are two teams on the field. One offensive and one defensive. There are many explanations for the limited statistics you posted (and, I might add, chose yourself). Again, what about the defenses?

Yes, I think the Texas offense are alot better overall compared to Ohio. Texas spends alot more time getting offensives prepared then Ohio does. "TexasFrog" and "think" are mutually exclusive terms.

The Texas defensives arent shabby either. You can ask our neighbors to the East (Louisiana) that if you like.

And Yes.. I think Texas has more top line so called "national level" teams compared to Ohio. I say that Texas has somewhere in the ballpark of 15 top line teams every year and Ohio probably has somewhere in the area of 5 top line national level teams. Ya, that 15 Texas to about 5 Ohio teams that can honestly claim to be a national level team. More gems of wisdom yanked right out of TexasFroggy's tuckus. Are you a self-treating proctologist by any chance?

The overall competition depth in Texas compared to Ohio is pretty much a "NO BRAINER" if you just look at the numbers themselves.


You know.. since your a class dude and think your cool talking crap to people. You would be lucky to be in my GENE POOL clown. Last time I checked, I fall into the category of "homo sapien". More and more I doubt you can claim likewise, so this is less and less a worry for me.

Ya,,, just looking over the 10 Texas D-1A teams. Dont see one Ohio kid playing in Texas. Not ONE !!!

Let's seeeee.

Miami (Ohio) x 3 Texas kids
QB- Dan Raudabaugh - Coppel, Tx
Cb- Steve Burke - Klein ,Tx
LB - Chris Hudson - Arlington Bowie

Ohio St.X 3 Texas kids
DB- Ashton Youboty - Klein Oak, Tx - STARTER :)
LB- Anthony Schlegal - Highland Park, Tx - STARTER :)
Rb- James Ashton - Katy, Tx

Toledo X 4 Texas kids
Wr- David Washington - Baytown Sterling, Tx
RB- Quinton Broussard - Colony ,Tx
OL- Aaron Albritton - Anahuac, Tx
OL- Jesse Anderson - Colony , Tx

Ohio x 3 Texas kids
DB- TJ Wright - Beaumont Ozen, Tx
DB- Tony Ward - Beaumont Ozen ,Tx
DB- Steve Jackson - Austin Westlake, Tx

Wow,, 13 Texas kids on football scholarships to play at Ohio schools. Hmmmm :confused: Thanks for them. Why did they leave home?

Wow, two Texas kids start for the mighty Ohio St !!!! Whats even more confusing is they are Texas defensive players. I just wonder how this inferior defensive High school State of Texas can have two Texas kids starting for the mighty Ohio St when ya'll clearly dedicate so much more to defense (according to you Concheee). I'm going to count the tackles they make when UT plays Ohio St. just for you...... Apparently the point I made about defense and the caveats I included sailed right over your head. What a shock.

Again... something about depth of talent comes to my mind when I look at just that little fact. Hmmmm.

Now, this is when you come back and "HAVE ZERO FACTS" and just call me names and liar and ect and post that its all a big Froggism lie.

Depth my SON !! The numbers dont lie. YOu have a few National level teams (about 5 most years) but the depth of talented teams in Ohio is about like Louisiana. Which is pretty sad because Louisiana has about 4 million people to Ohio's 11.5 million people but I can promise you there football is about equal to Ohio's. Flog bends over, reaches around, and yanks another whopper right out of his keester. Don't you get sore? Or are you so used to pulling crap out of your pooper that it's as natural as breathing now?

But in Texas.. you're a DREAMER.

I'm changing my mind about you Flog. You may be some of the best free entertainment on the web.

[concha]

Hey Wyatt Earp.. I know that your knowledge of High school football is list and USA Today Polls and streamline videos. As opposed to the highest form of iron-clad, rock-solid evidence on the planet: TexasFrog's imaginary facts pulled out of his tuckus.

So, why does Rivals have 12 Texans and just 4 Ohio players on their top 100 ? Just wondering what the Mr. List man has to say ? Hey, Wyatt. I didn't know you worked for Rivals. Good for you.

PS. You still havent told me what kind of Cowboy hat and boots you bought.. What brand did you buy ? Dont lie either because I know that was probably one of the first things you did when you moved to Texas. Flog, Did you buy a meat-hanger bathing suit when you moved to South Beach? Which brand? Don't lie....
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[Texasfrog]

See, Again Concheee.. ZERO facts from ya. Just alot of put-downs and trash talking .. That says it all to be honest with you.

I guess you think the more you just "make putdown comments" or something similiar that it makes your points right or something like that...

Swallow the pill son !!! Again.. Never did I put down Colerain, Never did I put down Ohio football. The numbers however dont lie !!!

Trying to compare OHIO to TEXAS overall in football is a "NO BRAINER" because the "DEPTH" in Texas is so much greater.

Where OHIO has 1 solid team... Texas has 3 solid teams..

Where OHIO has 1 blue chip.... Texas has 3 blue chips..

Where Ohio has 1 "great average players".... Texas has 3 "great average players."

Where Ohio has 1 really "fast dude"..... Texas has about 4 really "fast dudes".

The numbers dont lie... You can look at almost every catagory when you comparing Texas vs a State like Ohio and clearly see it.

Again.. there is about 5 really solid teams in Ohio each year.. Just there is about 15 really solid teams in Texas. Its not a putdown for Ohio.. its just pretty much a fact.

IF there was such great depth in Ohio... than Ohio schools (colleges) wouldnt have to recruit outside the State like they do . Like I said, there is 13 Texas kids on football scholarships playing in Ohio and about 6 of them are starters. DEPTH !!!! :cool:

Again.. one last time for ya. There is about 5 solid H.S. teams (most years) in Ohio. In Texas there is about 15 solid H.S teams (most years) that can say they are so called "national level" teams. :)

Show me "ONE FACT or STAT" that can totally discount this besides some "hokie" so called National USA Today prep poll.

You call me a "liar" and throw "insults" and "putdowns" but you never show any FACTS or Sources !!!!

Sorry Concheeeee. You insults and tantrums dont make you RIGHT when all the evidence pretty much clearly shows that your WRONG. :)

Now let me guess.. this is when you retort by calling me names, and insults and alot of other things without showing any facts or sources again. Just "name calling" that's what Conchee truly does best ..... You're the Champion at that...

[Texasfrog]

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Ya, I know Conchee. NCAA stats, UIL stats vs OHSAA stats, Dave Campbells stats, Ohio football rosters (dotted with some Tx kids) are all my imaginary made up stuff.

I guess you also have problem with Rivals having 12 Texas kids and only 4 Ohio kids.. Sure looks like it. but, then again.. Rivals is pretty much the most respected National scouting service so I can see the whole 12 Tx to 4 Ohio kids thing.

Where your "no sources" and "opinions" are really the true STATS.

Sorry Concheee,, drink some water with the Pill and it will go down better.

The so called "TRUTH" from you must be really really really hard to find....

You are Mr. Ohio football like you say.. show me the large school in Ohio that was a better passing team than Moeller.. You keep telling me I'm full of crap.. well show me the real #1 passing team "Mr. OHIO Football."

And yes.. I still believe that 90% of the Ohio teams are mostly running teams.

I cant help it that when you compare the Offensive stats from Texas H.S teams to Ohio H.S teams that the Texas teams look alot better with there offensives. Go cry to the moon or something.

Show me the Stats loser.. Show me the real #1 passing team that you keep crying about if it aint Moeller.. (Show me Mr. Ohio football... Show me.)...

I guess the Conchee "Truth" aint so easy to find after all huh....

[Purple Haze]

This is the second time at least that a Texan has used a word with more than two syllables and suggested that others would need to look it up. Hilarious (look it up). You act like "bloviating" is some obscure technical term known only to a small handful of English-speakers. Get back to the dictionary and try again.

Ummm, if he has you on his ignore list he won't see your response there Concha. Have you pm'ed him? :confused:

[ktchamp97]

Texasfrog,

If you look at the population of each state you will find that Texas (with 22 million people) has TWICE as many people as Ohio (11 million people). This would basically turn your 12 to 4 argument as far as RIvals100 players into about 6 to 4, if you wanted to truly compare apples to apples. Texas still has more and is still better, as Concha has stated, but the gap is not as drastically huge as you might think.

You can't do any state to state comparison with pure numbers, because you have to consider the pool of talent being drawn from. If you use straight numbers, Texas blows Florida out of the water, but Florida produces as many if not more college and pro prospects if you consider the population.

I once saw a story showing where Mississippi, believe it or not, is a relative football factory if you look at per capita NFL players.

[pack4life]

Ok after reading all this i HAVE to know if Moeller is the number 1 passing team in Ohio, i don't care who shows me.

[Texasfrog]

Texasfrog,

If you look at the population of each state you will find that Texas (with 22 million people) has TWICE as many people as Ohio (11 million people). This would basically turn your 12 to 4 argument as far as RIvals100 players into about 6 to 4, if you wanted to truly compare apples to apples. Texas still has more and is still better, as Concha has stated, but the gap is not as drastically huge as you might think.

You can't do any state to state comparison with pure numbers, because you have to consider the pool of talent being drawn from. If you use straight numbers, Texas blows Florida out of the water, but Florida produces as many if not more college and pro prospects if you consider the population.

I once saw a story showing where Mississippi, believe it or not, is a relative football factory if you look at per capita NFL players.

That's my point Ktchamp.. Texas is right at twice the population size of Ohio (22 million to 11 million) on the dot. But, Texas still seems to put out a little over twice the NFL players and a 3/1 ratio in college D-1A talent. So, just looking at the share numbers Texas seems to have an edge over Ohio in overall top level talent.

My point isnt really about LIST. I'm not really a huge fan of recruiting list. I've seen H.S. players that were on some of those list that werent even the best player on their own teams. There was a a few "AVERAGE KIDS" that were better. What the list kid had was the future potential to get better with his size and speed. Trust me.. I've seen alot of (6-0/240) lineman that kick the snot out of alot of (6-5/280) Blue-chips.. I've seen alot of (5-10/185/4.7) LB's be better ballers than some (6-2/210/4.6) LB.

But, the bigger kids had the potential to get better and they had the God-Given size and speed.

My point is the "AVERAGE PLAYERS" and Texas is loaded 1,000's of those (6-0/240) lineman and those (5-10/185) LB's dotting all the rosters along with the blue-chips...

To me.. those kids (AVERAGE KIDs) are what make Texas so great and powerful in High school football. Those "AVERAGE PLAYERS."

I'm not knocking Ohio football at all. I think they have their 5 or so very good High school teams that could be called (national level teams). Just I think Texas has about 15 of them almost every year.

So, do I think the overall depth in Ohio is anywhere near like Texas. NOPE. Just like you say.. you can just about "double" and add a few more to Texas just on share numbers alone.

PS. You're right.. I saw the same thing about Mississippi. When you looked at the overall numbers of D-1A and NFL players (per-capita) they are insane and pretty much blow everyone away. But.. they still only have about 2 High school teams every year that could be called "national level High school teams." Mississippi is loaded with alot of Texas 2A and 3A size schools. They have about 7 schools that would be Texas 4A size schools and that's it.

[Texasfrog]

Ok after reading all this i HAVE to know if Moeller is the number 1 passing team in Ohio, i don't care who shows me.
Offensive Leaders - All Games


NAME G YDS YPG RUSH RUSH YPG PASS PASS YPG PTS PTS/G
1 Moeller 11 4176 379.6 1462 132.9 2714 246.7 370 33.6
2 LaSalle 10 3311 331.1 1233 123.3 2078 207.8 312 31.2
3 St. Xavier 10 3257 325.7 1869 186.9 1388 138.8 290 29.0
4 Elder 10 3197 319.7 1459 145.9 1738 173.8 309 30.9

Here PACK.. I've posted this before but's its been awhile. Moeller passed for 2,700 yds in 11 games. I've told Concheee (Mr. Ohio football) that they were (probably) Ohio #1 passing team and he just call's me a liar and this or that (usually insults to No End) but he never shows any source or anything to prove me wrong. He just calls me insults.

But, there is the source right from the 2004 (GCL STATS) Greater Catholic League of Ohio.

These are 4 of the top Programs in Ohio most years (Moeller, LaSalle, St.Xavier and Elder) and their overall offensive stats arent really anywhere near what the top echlon Texas programs produce "stat wise". (Running & Passing).

He'll come back and say something like, " Ohio puts more into Defense" but I think that's a joke. The Texas defensives are pretty stout, just I think the Texas offensives are alot better developed in their overall game.

[Texasfrog]

Conchee.. also looking at the OHSAA site and the school enrollment numbers brings ups some interesting questions about overall competition level. (In my opinion) at least. Since your a big STAT guy..

Looking at the Division I (Ohio) which is suppose to be the largest division. Like Texas (5A) football. It looks like there is 116 schools that have enrollment numbers that begin at about 1,500.

Texas (5A) begins at about 1,900 but most of the schools in Texas 5A have well over 2,000 kids. The average Texas 5A has about 2,500 kids. There is I believe 242 Texas 5A schools....

So,, even looking at the Ohio schools enrollment numbers brings out alot of questions when you want to compare overall competition between the two States and "Level of competition" faced on a week in and week out basis.

I mean honeslty dude.. Ohio has probably about 75 schools that would be Texas 5A schools..

Several of Ohio D-1 schools would be Texas 4A schools by the enrollment numbers.

This is right from the OHSAA web-site.. So, I'm sure I'm making it up.

Football OHIO
Division ------Enrollment
I 529 or more-- 116 schools
II 363 to 528 119
III 261 to 362 118
IV 188 to 260 120
V 131 to 187 119
VI 130 or less 124
Total Teams 716

I'm sure I'm lying and making this all up. I mean according to you I'm sure that's what I'm doing. Just another topic for debate..

How many schools in Ohio have 2,000 and over enrollment numbers (9th - 12th grade) ?? Just wondering. I'm guessing there is about 75 approximately just by looking at the OHSAA site.

[pack4life]

Thanks for the facts frog, btw which team do you root for?

[wide-e-wide]

Hey KT...so now we can threaten people?
If I were to tell someone that I would knock them out,
I would be banned so quick I would have to change my skivvies.
Are there different rules for different people?

I mean you banned me for saying that aggy was gay...
c'mon dog.......................
These cats have been cussin' and bickering like two ********
for well over a month now.

Let me know something...this is trippin' me out.

As for Concha and Frog...you two need to just take your bras off
and settle this one, once and for all.
I swear I have 5 daughters and wife...and I have never seen
this much bickering back and forth.
It's really female-like.

[drgnbkr]

I say ..let em keep going at it!...There is a big game between our Texas kids & those weenies from Ohio, & Frog & Conch are the only ones really bringin it! I guess sheriff jumps in occasionally...but keep it up guys, it's entertaining..

[wide-e-wide]

Who cares? It is 1 game that is 2 months from now.
I could understand if it were 2 weeks from now.
But these two fools have been talking about it since
April. Give it a rest. I promise you...you build it up this much
and it will be a disappointment. Regardless, of who wins.
It is not the game of the century...It is highly anticipated, no doubt.
But to talk about it every day for 5 months is just stupid.
What if Pack0808 and I argued about the Super Bowl every day
from July until January?

Answer: We would be a couple of nimrods...that is why we don't do it.

[KT2000]

Wide, no there are not different rules. That last post was made fairly recently, and with the amount of flaming flooding this board lately in these national threads...it can get a little hard to keep up. Hopefully, this is just an off-season phase.

Basically, we'll have to keep locking and/or deleting entire threads (post counts be danged) if stuff like this keeps up. It is not right to threaten anyone, especially on a message board. It's extremely pointless, and quite frankly, I don't know why those who fight so much on here waste the time.

Nothing is going to get settled by launching into a grade school level flame war every time a disagreement occurs. Some people take things way too seriously on here, and unfortunately you can't really do anything about that except ban/delete/lock threads and users and hope the message finally sinks in one day.

[wide-e-wide]

It just seems to bleed over into every thread.
And these guys are getting waaaaaaaaay more
slack than I was ever allowed.

I could start a thread about Martha Stewart and these two
would start bickering about..."My Mama's furniture is better than
you Mama's...and I have the stats to prove it"
Posting 10000 word post, and blinding us with stats does not make
you smart nor insightful. It just means you have a lot of time on your
hands...................to look up meaningless stats.
Who really cares which RB had more yards on Friday's that followed
rain storms...that followed droughts...that had on black shoes...that
are related to Maurice Clarett by his baby Mama's cousin Pookie that
used to live in the same apartment complex with my girlfriend's Aunt?
Give me a bleepin' break.................
There is a lot going on in the sports world...and it ain't happening in Tyler,Tx or Ohio.

[KT2000]

I'd rather see posters attempting to put up "meaningless numbers" rather than calling each other names and carrying arguments over from thread to thread.

Concha haisn't doing anything to warrant being banned in my opinion. He's actually made an attempt at having a civilized discussion until those of you who don't like him hijack every thread he posts in or draw him (and others) out with posts like the one that started this thread.

It has gone both ways, but I find the best policy is that if you don't like a poster...then IGNORE. Novel concept, I know, but it really does work. If you feel that strongly, then just stay away from the posts that user makes and don't respond unless you have something constructive to add to a thread.

No recruiting list or national top 25 is ever going to tell you where the best high school football talent is. Get me some detailed state information regarding Division 1A or NFL players produced per capita and then we'll talk further.

[wide-e-wide]

So I guess I have the green-light to call people names huh
Hey he hasn't done anything that would cause him to be banned right?
If I can't curse....his punk can't either.

KT's Note- keep it clean

[KT2000]

Wide, I don't understand why you insist on jumping off the deep end here. You aren't the only one to get a one day ban before. I've never claimed anything like that. We've always maintained that you run the risk of being banned and/or having posts deleted if you can't keep things PG rated. We've warned Concha before just like we've warned TexasFrog, NewSheriff and yourself. If things continue to get out of hand, then we'll start issuing permanent bans. It takes all of five-ten seconds to make that happen, so if people insist on pushing the envelope they might want to know how ridiculously easy it is for us to do if we are pushed to that point.

[wide-e-wide]

Dear God,

Please don't ban me from 5aTexasFootball.com.
I don't know what I would do without it.
I will be a good boy.

PS: Please punish those who act as if they know sports, when
in fact they know NADA.

Sincerely,
the dude in Waco that always pisses people off.

I wasn't banned for one day....I was given a virtual life sentence for
my comments about the aggy bonfire.
And by a guy that went to UT no less.

[KT2000]

Yet somehow you are back here posting...if we were really trying hold you down wide, you wouldn't be able to access this forum...much less be here posting again. Lesson learned and move on perhaps?

[wide-e-wide]

Sir yes Sir!
This recruit has learned his lesson and request permission to
carry on Sir?

[RockinL]

Sir yes Sir!
This recruit has learned his lesson and request permission to
carry on Sir?
On every message board there is always one guy that isnt from the local area that KNOWS how to get a rise out of the home crowd. (Especially a Texas crowd).

And it is usually the same guy on every board. He usually has a reputation for starting crap on every football message board.
And there is always someone willing to respond to any and all of his asinine comments. Then comes the name calling.

Truth is....the guy doing most of the mouthing usually knows nothing about, nor has even seen a ballgame in the state of Texas....
But some people always fall for the bait....hook...line...and sinker, every time.

[dragonsdaddy]

the ignoring part of 2ks admonition is made ridiculously simple by putting said posters on your own ignore list, which in essence bans them from your board. it is fulfilling and pleasant-tasting, too. try it, you'll like it.

[concha]

On every message board there is always one guy that isnt from the local area that KNOWS how to get a rise out of the home crowd. (Especially a Texas crowd).

And it is usually the same guy on every board. He usually has a reputation for starting crap on every football message board.
And there is always someone willing to respond to any and all of his asinine comments. Then comes the name calling.

Truth is....the guy doing most of the mouthing usually knows nothing about, nor has even seen a ballgame in the state of Texas....
But some people always fall for the bait....hook...line...and sinker, every time.

Does this include clowns who openly admit that Texas is the premier football state in the nation and, on this very site, have questioned lists of top recruits that have more Ohioans than Texans, stating that realistically there should be several more Texans?

I hate guys like that. They're just looking for trouble and talking smack to get a rise out of everyone.......

[concha]

Concha haisn't doing anything to warrant being banned in my opinion. He's actually made an attempt at having a civilized discussion until those of you who don't like him hijack every thread he posts in or draw him (and others) out with posts like the one that started this thread.



Hallelujah! And the truth shall set you free!

[wide-e-wide]

Must Stay Calm...cannot Speak Mind.
Must Not Curse....must Be Silent...
Cannot Be Banned....