poor fiesta/step-children's bowl

[dragonsdaddy]

the bcs did exactly what the big boys wanted. they placed the two spoilers in the same game. heaven forbid that the pretty boys from the REAL conferences should have to defile themselves by playing mutts like tcu and boise state. what a travesty. tcu beats everyone like a drum, so here's your bcs* bone. not a real bowl game against a real bcs team, of course. now go away. you orphans are lucky we even include you at all.

[Firebird]

the bcs did exactly what the big boys wanted. they placed the two spoilers in the same game. heaven forbid that the pretty boys from the REAL conferences should have to defile themselves by playing mutts like tcu and boise state. what a travesty. tcu beats everyone like a drum, so here's your bcs* bone. not a real bowl game against a real bcs team, of course. now go away. you orphans are lucky we even include you at all.

Terrible, terrible decision by the BCS. I am stunned that the Fiesta Bowl organizers are not screaming bloody murder about this, which leaves them with easily the two smallest fanbases, both stuck in one bowl. Not going to be good for ticket sales or tv viewership. I really can't believe that got away with the slap in the face...not to TCU or Boise, but to one of their own sponsored bowls.

[hollywood]

Was hoping to see TCU vs. Florida and Boise State vs. Cinci

[Firebird]

What I would have liked to see:

National Championship: Alabama vs. Texas
Sugar Bowl: TCU vs. Cincy
Fiesta Bowl: Iowa vs. Boise State
Orange Bowl: Georgia Tech vs. Florida
Rose Bowl: Oregon vs. Ohio State

I think the two non-BCS teams would win their matchups.....and we'd get to argue all year long between TCU/Texas/Boise.

[BDB]

i really wanted to see how tcu and boise would match up with florida or gatech.

are they using boise as the measuring stick for tcu?

[F18mustang]

What I would have liked to see:

National Championship: Alabama vs. Texas
Sugar Bowl: TCU vs. Cincy
Fiesta Bowl: Iowa vs. Boise State
Orange Bowl: Georgia Tech vs. Georgia
Rose Bowl: Oregon vs. Ohio State

I think the two non-BCS teams would win their matchups.....and we'd get to argue all year long between TCU/Texas/Boise.

By Georgia you meant Florida correct?

[the_phoenix612]

What I would have liked to see:

National Championship: Alabama vs. Texas
Sugar Bowl: TCU vs. Cincy
Fiesta Bowl: Iowa vs. Boise State
Orange Bowl: Georgia Tech vs. Georgia
Rose Bowl: Oregon vs. Ohio State

I think the two non-BCS teams would win their matchups.....and we'd get to argue all year long between TCU/Texas/Boise.
no florida at all?

[su4c]

i really wanted to see how tcu and boise would match up with florida or gatech.

are they using boise as the measuring stick for tcu?

They burned that excuse last year.

[Firebird]

By Georgia you meant Florida correct?

Yeah. Ga Tech vs. Florida.

[svhorns]

What I would have liked to see:

National Championship: Alabama vs. Texas
Sugar Bowl: TCU vs. Cincy
Fiesta Bowl: Iowa vs. Boise State
Orange Bowl: Georgia Tech vs. Georgia
Rose Bowl: Oregon vs. Ohio State

I think the two non-BCS teams would win their matchups.....and we'd get to argue all year long between TCU/Texas/Boise.

lol wut.

[Favpack]

I dunno - it doesn't bother me that much. One finishes undefeated - and I think it will be TCU. I think Florida comes out flatter than a pancake in NO and who cares about the Orange.

I do think the Gators beat Cincy - but they'll look bad doing it. I think the Froggies are gonna maul BSU.

[78 Spartan]

the bcs did exactly what the big boys wanted. they placed the two spoilers in the same game. heaven forbid that the pretty boys from the REAL conferences should have to defile themselves by playing mutts like tcu and boise state. what a travesty. tcu beats everyone like a drum, so here's your bcs* bone. not a real bowl game against a real bcs team, of course. now go away. you orphans are lucky we even include you at all.

Harrrrummmphhh.

[cajun]

http://image.cdnl3.xosnetwork.com/pics21/640/EW/EWIJUGIQIBMRZFK.20091204211523.jpg

[cajun]

the bcs did exactly what the big boys wanted. they placed the two spoilers in the same game. heaven forbid that the pretty boys from the REAL conferences should have to defile themselves by playing mutts like tcu and boise state. what a travesty. tcu beats everyone like a drum, so here's your bcs* bone. not a real bowl game against a real bcs team, of course. now go away. you orphans are lucky we even include you at all.

Makes sense to me..

This way only "one" team can lose...

Who wants to see two spoilers get smashed?

[Firebird]

Makes sense to me..

This way only "one" team can lose...

Who wants to see two spoilers get smashed?

Kinda like how the undefeated MWC spoiler got "smashed" last year against Daddy SEC in the sugar bowl?

[cajun]

Kinda like how the undefeated MWC spoiler got "smashed" last year against Daddy SEC in the sugar bowl?

Fluke, reality?

Undefeated high powerd 2007-Hawaii Team..(13-0)

Georgia 41
Hawaii 10

[Firebird]

Fluke, reality?

Undefeated high powerd 2007-Hawaii Team..(13-0)

Georgia 41
Hawaii 10

So...2008 is a fluke, 2007 reality. Makes sense....if you are a massive SEC homer.

[cajun]

So...2008 is a fluke, 2007 reality. Makes sense....if you are a massive SEC homer.

Perfect sense , and also..

Why can't Boise State vs TCU be considered a great match-up?..Both are undefeated...

Does TCU or Boise think they deserve a better match-up?...If they or people think that then that means one or both have no business in the BCS Bowl picture...

According to what you said Boise State should play a two loss Iowa team in the Fiesta Bowl while TCU gets Cincy in the Sugar Bowl...The Sugar Bowl belongs to the SEC...Cincy gets the nod over TCU for the Sugar

Boise State beating a two loss Iowa evidently means more than beating an undefeated TCU????

[hollywood]

Perfect sense , and also..

Why can't Boise State vs TCU be considered a great match-up?..Both are undefeated...

Does TCU or Boise think they deserve a better match-up?...If they or people think that then that means one or both have no business in the BCS Bowl picture...

According to what you said Boise State should play a two loss Iowa team in the Fiesta Bowl while TCU gets Cincy in the Sugar Bowl...The Sugar Bowl belongs to the SEC...Cincy gets the nod over TCU for the Sugar

Boise State beating a two loss Iowa evidently means more than beating an undefeated TCU????

TCU vs Boise can then be ignored. It would take nads to place them against BCS conference teams. Too risky for the BCS. Any way they lose. If they blow away the non-BCS teams they look superior yet bad for beating up on them. If it is close they look bad. If they lose they look bad. This is a convenient way to pacify things.

[dragonsdaddy]

TCU vs Boise can then be ignored. It would take nads to place them against BCS conference teams. Too risky for the BCS. Any way they lose. If they blow away the non-BCS teams they look superior yet bad for beating up on them. If it is close they look bad. If they lose they look bad. This is a convenient way to pacify things.the bcs and its cajun-like affiliates would love to have the masses accept their puke that these non-elite(cincy included) teams and conferences are unworthy. they can't afford to pretended the king is naked because then they couldn't pretend their sweet little bcs is hunky dory. this is the epitome of elitism and it sux big time.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

the bcs and its cajun-like affiliates would love to have the masses accept their puke that these non-elite(cincy included) teams and conferences are unworthy. they can't afford to pretended the king is naked because then they couldn't pretend their sweet little bcs is hunky dory. this is the epitome of elitism and it sux big time.

:notworthy

[dragonsdaddy]

what really offends the senses is the fact that alabama is forced to play a really unworthy opponent. yes, i said unworthy. tu has shown so little this year to make themselves into a #2 ranked team. had they looked at all regal, the travesty of shatting upon the likes of tcu and bs would not have been so onerous. can anyone(besides a brain dead pied) really argue that some sort of playoff wouldn't be preferable to this malarkey?

[okt0ber]

what really offends the senses is the fact that alabama is forced to play a really unworthy opponent. yes, i said unworthy. tu has shown so little this year to make themselves into a #2 ranked team. had they looked at all regal, the travesty of shatting upon the likes of tcu and bs would not have been so onerous. can anyone(besides a brain dead pied) really argue that some sort of playoff wouldn't be preferable to this malarkey?

PLayoffs will turn it into the NFL... boring.

[PeterGibbons]

The BCS F:Censor:D this one up, bad.

[cajun]

they can't afford to pretended the king is naked because then they couldn't pretend their sweet little bcs is hunky dory. this is the epitome of elitism and it sux big time.

This is pretend...

TCU 2009 Football Scedule
Sat, Sep 12 at Virginia W 30-14 Audio
Sat, Sep 19 Texas State W 56-21 Audio
Sat, Sep 26 at Clemson W 14-10 Audio
Sat, Oct 3 Southern Methodist W 39-14 Audio
Sat, Oct 10 at Air Force W 20-17 Audio
Sat, Oct 17 Colorado State W 44-6 Audio
Sat, Oct 24 at (16) Brigham Young W 38-7 Audio
Sat, Oct 31 UNLV W 41-0 Audio
Sat, Nov 7 at San Diego State W 55-12 Audio
Sat, Nov 14 (16) Utah W 55-28 Audio
Sat, Nov 21 at Wyoming W 45-10 Audio
Sat, Nov 28 New Mexico W 51-10 Audio

Think of it like this...TCU with this schedule is going to the Fiesta Bowl which has a 17.5 million dollar payout...

I feel real sorry for TCU...Sorry TCU couldn't play the New Orleans Saints this year...

[okt0ber]

This is pretend...

TCU 2009 Football Scedule
Sat, Sep 12 at Virginia W 30-14 Audio
Sat, Sep 19 Texas State W 56-21 Audio
Sat, Sep 26 at Clemson W 14-10 Audio
Sat, Oct 3 Southern Methodist W 39-14 Audio
Sat, Oct 10 at Air Force W 20-17 Audio
Sat, Oct 17 Colorado State W 44-6 Audio
Sat, Oct 24 at (16) Brigham Young W 38-7 Audio
Sat, Oct 31 UNLV W 41-0 Audio
Sat, Nov 7 at San Diego State W 55-12 Audio
Sat, Nov 14 (16) Utah W 55-28 Audio
Sat, Nov 21 at Wyoming W 45-10 Audio
Sat, Nov 28 New Mexico W 51-10 Audio

Think of it like this...TCU with this schedule is going to the Fiesta Bowl which has a 17.5 million dollar payout...

I feel real sorry for TCU...Sorry TCU couldn't play the New Orleans Saints this year...

You think that's a stronger schedule than UT? I think not...

[CCDawgs]

You think that's a stronger schedule than UT? I think not...

Non conference is. :rolleyes:;)

[cajun]

Give them the money!

TCU SOS #75
Boise State SOS #92

A team like Arkansas (7-5) who's SOS is #2 gets the Liberty Bowl...

:rolleyes:

[dragonsdaddy]

This is pretend...

TCU 2009 Football Scedule
Sat, Sep 12 at Virginia W 30-14 Audio
Sat, Sep 19 Texas State W 56-21 Audio
Sat, Sep 26 at Clemson W 14-10 Audio
Sat, Oct 3 Southern Methodist W 39-14 Audio
Sat, Oct 10 at Air Force W 20-17 Audio
Sat, Oct 17 Colorado State W 44-6 Audio
Sat, Oct 24 at (16) Brigham Young W 38-7 Audio
Sat, Oct 31 UNLV W 41-0 Audio
Sat, Nov 7 at San Diego State W 55-12 Audio
Sat, Nov 14 (16) Utah W 55-28 Audio
Sat, Nov 21 at Wyoming W 45-10 Audio
Sat, Nov 28 New Mexico W 51-10 Audio

Think of it like this...TCU with this schedule is going to the Fiesta Bowl which has a 17.5 million dollar payout...

I feel real sorry for TCU...Sorry TCU couldn't play the New Orleans Saints this year...as a rice supporter, i am ecstatic tcu is making a lot of money for us. as a supporter of truth and honesty, the bcs is paying off tcu and boise state to shut up and go away. these blowhards think as you have been quoted that this payday equates a reach around. tcu can and would make every one of the sainted bcs teams glad they bought them off.

[CCDawgs]

Give them the money!

TCU SOS #75
Boise State SOS #92

A team like Arkansas (7-5) who's SOS is #2 gets the Liberty Bowl...

:rolleyes:

Just curious. Whos number 1?

[cajun]

Just curious. Whos number 1?

Mississippi State-no bowl for going 5-7...

[dragonsdaddy]

PLayoffs will turn it into the NFL... boring.
yeah, i get bored silly with those pesky pos. i hate it when a team like zona catches fire, or the giants become giant-killers vs ne. boring.

[cajun]

as a rice supporter, i am ecstatic tcu is making a lot of money for us. as a supporter of truth and honesty, the bcs is paying off tcu and boise state to shut up and go away. these blowhards think as you have been quoted that this payday equates a reach around. tcu can and would make every one of the sainted bcs teams glad they bought them off.

You should be happy!!

TCU lucky to have beat Clemson....

South Carolina beat Clemson silly...NO BCS for South Carolina though...

[dragonsdaddy]

You should be happy!!

TCU lucky to have beat Clemson....

South Carolina beat Clemson silly...NO BCS for South Carolina though...
any takers on the byu teeter totter. the feared ou played them to a loss while tcu made them cry. funny how these things turn out if you are honest. it ain't the old days when good old tcu took their woodshed whoopin from every real tom, dick and lsu, and thanked them for the payday. life was easier then for the likes of the cajuns of the world. these uppity frogs need to learn their place and keep quiet.

[okt0ber]

yeah, i get bored silly with those pesky pos. i hate it when a team like zona catches fire, or the giants become giant-killers vs ne. boring.

The NFL is a celebration of mediocracy. Teams shoot for winning 10 of their 16 games or so... I kinda like the way in NCAA you have to be almost nearly undefeated to earn a shot at the big game. It makes every game more important instead of just most of your games important.

[okt0ber]

Non conference is. :rolleyes:;)

LOL right, because Texas State and Virginia are football powerhouses. :rolleyes:

[CCCSportsFan]

as a rice supporter, i am ecstatic tcu is making a lot of money for us. as a supporter of truth and honesty, the bcs is paying off tcu and boise state to shut up and go away. these blowhards think as you have been quoted that this payday equates a reach around. tcu can and would make every one of the sainted bcs teams glad they bought them off.

It's like being given hush money by BigDaddy BCS... "Listen TCU and Boise State; you're both big boys and know the game, so this is what you're going to do for BigDaddy BCS -- you're gonna have a nice game and enjoy all the festivities along with a big fat payday. But you better only say nice things and show a lot of gratitude to me if you ever want a chance at another payout like this again..."

[Favpack]

Sometimes you catch the break sometimes you don't. I've stated before - last year alot - I prefer a playoff.

TCU would not have been in the title game - Cincy would have thanks to an incredibly lucky win at Pitt after getting outplayed for 59 minutes. That's the unfairness of football.

Texas went 13-0 against an unusually weak B12s - certainly not the fault of Austin. UT has played great at times, and very mediocre at times - including wins over Nebraska and OU.

LSU played terribly in two losses, and was lucky to win 3 other games - two at home - and won the crystal ball two years ago. Nobody was crying then, because it was a year that everyone lost a time or three.

It's simply the system we have in place - and it won't change next year. The coaches and AD's always look like hypocrites because they scream injustice or defend the system depending on where they fall that year.

[CCDawgs]

Sometimes you catch the break sometimes you don't. I've stated before - last year alot - I prefer a playoff.

TCU would not have been in the title game - Cincy would have thanks to an incredibly lucky win at Pitt after getting outplayed for 59 minutes. That's the unfairness of football.

Texas went 13-0 against an unusually weak B12s - certainly not the fault of Austin. UT has played great at times, and very mediocre at times - including wins over Nebraska and OU.

LSU played terribly in two losses, and was lucky to win 3 other games - two at home - and won the crystal ball two years ago. Nobody was crying then, because it was a year that everyone lost a time or three.

It's simply the system we have in place - and it won't change next year. The coaches and AD's always look like hypocrites because they scream injustice or defend the system depending on where they fall that year.

LOL, did you watch the game? Cincy maybe got outplayed the first 29 minutes. They did have to come back from 21 down just to win.

[Favpack]

LOL, did you watch the game? Cincy maybe got outplayed the first 29 minutes. They did have to come back from 21 down just to win.

I guess we'll find out if Cincy is for real. Cincy and Pitt both smelled like teams that would have been middle-of-the-road teams in the Pac 10 or SEC, and I don't think either could beat Texas.

[SV61]

Sorry, guys, but when I saw the Boise State, TCU matchup, I thought it was genuis. This MAY be one of the better bowl games of this season.

[dragonsdaddy]

Sorry, guys, but when I saw the Boise State, TCU matchup, I thought it was genuis. This MAY be one of the better bowl games of this season.i agree, it might be a good game, and if all else was equal, i'd be all for it. but it is what it is- a jim crow-like selection. and it is just as ugly as the old jim crow days were. the wizards of oz are bad jokes.

[Favpack]

Sorry, guys, but when I saw the Boise State, TCU matchup, I thought it was genuis. This MAY be one of the better bowl games of this season.

And.... I'm baffled more Frog fans don't agree. Your only other option was Florida in the Sugar Bowl, and, do we really want to see Tebow cry more?

I dunno - maybe there's some merit to playing Florida, but it's not clearly superior to playing Boise State in the Fiesta. Or, would you prefer Cincy in the Orange Bowl? That match-up is not happening as the ACC has Miami. And, it might be a little better, but not much.

You can beat up on the Bronchos in the Fiesta, hope Florida beats Cincy ugly and wind up No. 2.

[CCCSportsFan]

Sometimes you catch the break sometimes you don't. I've stated before - last year alot - I prefer a playoff.

TCU would not have been in the title game - Cincy would have thanks to an incredibly lucky win at Pitt after getting outplayed for 59 minutes. That's the unfairness of football.

Texas went 13-0 against an unusually weak B12s - certainly not the fault of Austin. UT has played great at times, and very mediocre at times - including wins over Nebraska and OU.

LSU played terribly in two losses, and was lucky to win 3 other games - two at home - and won the crystal ball two years ago. Nobody was crying then, because it was a year that everyone lost a time or three.

It's simply the system we have in place - and it won't change next year. The coaches and AD's always look like hypocrites because they scream injustice or defend the system depending on where they fall that year.

You're right, no way the Frog's were playing in the national championship game. The BCS poll last night showed the Cincy jumped them to number 3. So even if Nebraska would have taken down Texas, TCU would not have been in the NC game.

[Favpack]

Cowherd ripping Boise and TCU fan on ESPNradio.... and he's got a point.

You're in a BCS bowl - you get the big payday. Upgrade your conference or be happy - take your pick.

[dragonsdaddy]

Cowherd ripping Boise and TCU fan on ESPNradio.... and he's got a point.

You're in a BCS bowl - you get the big payday. Upgrade your conference or be happy - take your pick.
which conference would you kick out of the club? the acc and big east aren't even members though they have been anointed official bcs court jesters. one of the "real" conferences will have to lose their minds and pick them up for either tcu or bs to ever have a chance to play a "real" team in a bcs bowl. bs proved that to ou, and everyone else learned their lesson. do you really think the kids give a rip about the money. you hosers who are bringing the payday up are delirious.

[yallerjacket2]

Here's a quote from some BCS guy.

"It's a fair question," said BCS executive director Bill Hancock. "The fact is that the charge of the BCS is to match 1 and 2 in the bowl system. It's a limited charge. It's what the BCS is designed to do. Based on the season's play, we're confident we've matched 1 and 2."



I'm pretty sure that the BCS doesn't match teams up in bowls except for the NCG. After the 1-2 matchup, the bowls select (not sure what order). So it looks like the Bowl Selection Committees screwed TCU. I agree that the system sucks, but I don't think there is any conspiracy to keep TCU and Boise away from the big boys this year.

[Favpack]

Texas football would be upgraded 2,000% if we could get rid of Iowa State and bring in TCU to the b12. The Big East and ACC are going nowhere.

I'll get very few in agreement outside of Austin, but I still think Texas got hosed last year. They ended up No. 2 in most polls that matter, and OU was again made to look like a poser.

[KLH75287]

the bcs did exactly what the big boys wanted. they placed the two spoilers in the same game. heaven forbid that the pretty boys from the REAL conferences should have to defile themselves by playing mutts like tcu and boise state. what a travesty. tcu beats everyone like a drum, so here's your bcs* bone. not a real bowl game against a real bcs team, of course. now go away. you orphans are lucky we even include you at all.

This!

I love it when thew BCS defenders say that the bowl selection committe picks the games, not the BCS.

What a freakin' joke!

TCU is arguably one of the best teams in the country and could compete with anybody on any given day, and they get to play down against bluefield.

The BCS powers have no intention of creating a situation that would suggest that a non "club member" could possibly deserve the mythical crown of National Champion.

TCU will never have a shot at that game. Nor will any other non BCS school.

[Favpack]

This!

I love it when thew BCS defenders say that the bowl selection committe picks the games, not the BCS.

What a freakin' joke!

TCU is arguably one of the best teams in the country and could compete with anybody on any given day, and they get to play down against bluefield.

The BCS powers have no intention of creating a situation that would suggest that a non "club member" could possibly deserve the mythical crown of National Champion.

TCU will never have a shot at that game. Nor will any other non BCS school.

Not without an 8 team playoff, or, if they had done this deed two years ago when LSU and OSU both had two bad losses. Remember if West Va. gets by a poor Pitt team at home they're in - and then they weren't. TCU's bad luck was having a once every 70 years team when you had two powers with no losses and one other bcs with no losses.

TCU would have needed Cincy and UT to lose - and neither did.

[yallerjacket2]

This!

I love it when thew BCS defenders say that the bowl selection committe picks the games, not the BCS.

What a freakin' joke!



This.

Also:

We never landed on the moon.

Bush blew up the WTC towers.

Teletubbies are turning our children gay.

:rolleyes:

[dragonsdaddy]

This!

I love it when thew BCS defenders say that the bowl selection committe picks the games, not the BCS.

What a freakin' joke!

TCU is arguably one of the best teams in the country and could compete with anybody on any given day, and they get to play down against bluefield.

The BCS powers have no intention of creating a situation that would suggest that a non "club member" could possibly deserve the mythical crown of National Champion.

TCU will never have a shot at that game. Nor will any other non BCS school.
i propose that they change the ranking system. why keep the farce that teams like tcu have any chance being in the top 2, and playing in the mnc game. go ahead and have only the chosen ones in the polls. they don't lump the 1-aa or div 2 teams with the pretty boys. just be honest and put them where they belong.

[yallerjacket2]

i propose that they change the ranking system. why keep the farce that teams like tcu have any chance being in the top 2, and playing in the mnc game. go ahead and have only the chosen ones in the polls. they don't lump the 1-aa or div 2 teams with the pretty boys. just be honest and put them where they belong.

I think the BCS does a pretty good job ranking the teams. Those top teams simply need to have a playoff to determine who is best. Top 8 maybe?

I don't wanna hear the crap about how the regular season would be meaningless. There would still be plenty of drama with teams trying to stay and get into the top 8.

I also don't wanna hear "Well, then team #9 would just whine about not making it". That's true, but it would be an improvement over what we have now and at least the undefeateds would get a chance. I'll take improvement over status quo anyday.

[pied]

Reviewing the matchups.

#1 - #2
#3 - #5
#4 - #6

Would TCU rather have played Cincy than Florida?

[KLH75287]

Reviewing the matchups.

#1 - #2
#3 - #5
#4 - #6

Would TCU rather have played Cincy than Florida?

I think TCU should have been given a shot at playing "up", rather than down.

Up, being a card carrying BCS club member school. As it stands now, they don't have a chance of really accomplishing anything by winning a game that they should win, nor does Boise for that matter. Both of them should have had a chamnce to play against the Big Boyz Club.

[KLH75287]

Texas football would be upgraded 2,000% if we could get rid of Iowa State and bring in TCU to the b12. The Big East and ACC are going nowhere.

I'll get very few in agreement outside of Austin, but I still think Texas got hosed last year. They ended up No. 2 in most polls that matter, and OU was again made to look like a poser.

This!

[pied]

I'd suggest there is a reason that Gary Patterson is very happy at TCU, sigining an extension, playing in a non-BCS conference in the state of Texas. Not having to play Texas/Tech/a$m/ou/Okie State/Baylor every single year and Nebraska/Missouri/Kansas/Kansas State/Colorado in favor of the teams in the MWC is probably helpful to having a better record.

[Firebird]

Texas football would be upgraded 2,000% if we could get rid of Iowa State and bring in TCU to the b12. The Big East and ACC are going nowhere.

I'll get very few in agreement outside of Austin, but I still think Texas got hosed last year. They ended up No. 2 in most polls that matter, and OU was again made to look like a poser.

I think either Georgia Tech or Clemson would have given Texas all they wanted and more last night. Nebraska played a good game, but let's be real...this was not a very good Nebraska team. Blowout loss to average Tech, loss to bad Iowa State, loss to ACC second tier VaTecg, gut checks against horrible Baylor/Colorado. One real "quality" win all year came against the worst Okie team in a decade.

Georgia Tech/Clemson would have won the north going away this year. Pitt/Cincy would have been less of a competition for Texas. No defense at all on those two teams would have spelled an outcome more like the A&M game. Maybe fewer points scored against.

[chhspantherfan]

Kinda like how the undefeated MWC spoiler got "smashed" last year against Daddy SEC in the sugar bowl?

Patterson will mind his public Ps and Qs. But come gameday there will be hell to pay.

[cajun]

Cowherd ripping Boise and TCU fan on ESPNradio.... and he's got a point.

You're in a BCS bowl - you get the big payday. Upgrade your conference or be happy - take your pick.

Exactly correct!

First year of the BCS...Tulane goes 11-0 and heads to the "Liberty Bowl"...TCU and Boise State crying about playing each other in the 2009 Tostitos Fiesta Bowl is really quite funny...Lets all shed some tears!

Both TCU and Bosie be lucky to win 2 or 3 games in the SEC...

Poor Tulane!

1998-Tulane (CUSA) 12-0
9/5 @ *Cincinnati (2-9) W 52 34
9/12 @ Southern Methodist (5-7) W 31 21
9/26 vs. Navy (3-8) W 42 24
10/3 vs. *Southern Mississippi (7-5) W 21 7
10/17 vs. *Louisville (7-5) W 28 22
10/24 @ Rutgers (5-6) W 52 24
10/31 vs. Louisiana-Lafayette (2-9) W 72 20
11/7 @ *Memphis (2-9) W 41 31
11/14 @ *Army (3-8) W 49 35
11/21 vs. *Houston (3-8) W 48 20
11/26 vs. Louisiana Tech (6-6) W 63 30
12/31 vs. Brigham Young (9-5) W 41 27 Liberty Bowl

[the_phoenix612]

Exactly correct!

First year of the BCS...Tulane goes 11-0 and heads to the "Liberty Bowl"...TCU and Boise State crying about playing each other in the 2009 Tostitos Fiesta Bowl is really quite funny...Lets all shed some tears!

Both TCU and Bosie be lucky to win 2 or 3 games in the SEC...

Poor Tulane!

1998-Tulane (CUSA) 12-0
9/5 @ *Cincinnati (2-9) W 52 34
9/12 @ Southern Methodist (5-7) W 31 21
9/26 vs. Navy (3-8) W 42 24
10/3 vs. *Southern Mississippi (7-5) W 21 7
10/17 vs. *Louisville (7-5) W 28 22
10/24 @ Rutgers (5-6) W 52 24
10/31 vs. Louisiana-Lafayette (2-9) W 72 20
11/7 @ *Memphis (2-9) W 41 31
11/14 @ *Army (3-8) W 49 35
11/21 vs. *Houston (3-8) W 48 20
11/26 vs. Louisiana Tech (6-6) W 63 30
12/31 vs. Brigham Young (9-5) W 41 27 Liberty Bowl
this is exactly why TCU needs to play a major team. So idiots like you can't make comments like that. Stop sucking the SEC's d*ck. It's getting old.

[cajun]

I'd suggest there is a reason that Gary Patterson is very happy at TCU, sigining an extension, playing in a non-BCS conference in the state of Texas. Not having to play Texas/Tech/a$m/ou/Okie State/Baylor every single year and Nebraska/Missouri/Kansas/Kansas State/Colorado in favor of the teams in the MWC is probably helpful to having a better record.

This!

Evidently TCU and Boise have reached "Super Power" status in some folks mind...

[pied]

this is exactly why TCU needs to play a major team. So idiots like you can't make comments like that. Stop sucking the SEC's d*ck. It's getting old.

For reference:

MWC

TCU
BYU
Utah
Air Force
Wyoming
UNLV
San Diego State
New Mexico
Colorado State




SEC

Alabama
Florida
LSU
Georgia
Tennessee
Auburn
Arkansas
ole Miss
South Carolina
Miss State
Kentucky
Vanderbilt

[the_phoenix612]

For reference:
Alabama lose
Florida lose
LSU close
Georgia win
Tennessee win
Auburn win
Arkansas win
ole Miss win
South Carolina win
Miss State win
Kentucky win
Vanderbilt win

That's a hell of a lot better than 2-3 wins.

[pied]

That's a hell of a lot better than 2-3 wins.

In a one game scenario, I'd give them a shot against any of them. Playing 8 of them and a title game, some of the "wins" may change to "close" or "lose".

[the_phoenix612]

In a one game scenario, I'd give them a shot against any of them. Playing 8 of them and a title game, some of the "wins" may change to "close" or "lose".
Hmm.

nope. Not convinced. Not against Georgia and below.

TCU hasn't shown anything to make me think they wouldn't maintain this caliber of a team over a full season.

UNFORTUNATELY, it seems the BCS isn't inclined to let them show that. Cajun just has trouble accepting that the SEC isn't the end-all-be-all of college football. Does it have the best (2) teams in the nation this season? yes. but it isn't, top to bottom, some supernatural force to be reckoned with.

[cajun]

this is exactly why TCU needs to play a major team. So idiots like you can't make comments like that. Stop sucking the SEC's d*ck. It's getting old.

TCU needs to play 7 or 8 major teams a year, skippy...

[DrEdward]

By BCS rules, didn't the Fiesta have the the second available choice of teams to invite, since they lost the number 2 ranked team in the championship game? If so, that means that the Fiesta likely took TCU as their primary choice. I believe the order this year would then have been Orange, Fiesta and Sugar. (The Rose would be unaffected.)

[pied]

By BCS rules, didn't the Fiesta have the the second available choice of teams to invite, since they lost the number 2 ranked team in the championship game? If so, that means that the Fiesta likely took TCU as their primary choice. I believe the order this year would then have been Orange, Fiesta and Sugar. (The Rose would be unaffected.)

They did and it is true they were the first pick.

[the_phoenix612]

TCU needs to play 7 or 8 major teams a year, skippy...
bottom 2/3 of SEC + two cakewalk non-con teams =/= major teams, either.

FIU
UNT
South Carolina
Chattanooga
Mississippi State
Charleston Southern
Troy
Vanderbilt

you really think these are "major teams"? Think again, dickweed.

[pied]

bottom 2/3 of SEC + two cakewalk non-con teams =/= major teams, either.

FIU
UNT
South Carolina
Chattanooga
Mississippi State
Charleston Southern
Troy
Vanderbilt

you really think these are "major teams"? Think again, dickweed.

Alabama's schedule:

at Virginia Tech
Florida Int'l
North Texas
Arkansas
at Kentucky
at Ole Miss
South Carolina
Tennessee
LSU
at Miss. State
Chattanooga
at Auburn
Florida

[the_phoenix612]

Alabama's schedule:
alabama+florida's cake schedule

[cajun]

bottom 2/3 of SEC + two cakewalk non-con teams =/= major teams, either.

FIU
UNT
South Carolina
Chattanooga
Mississippi State
Charleston Southern
Troy
Vanderbilt

you really think these are "major teams"? Think again, dickweed.

I dunno what you are talking about, do you?

Follow along, skip!

Try to watch and learn...

[pied]

TCU's schedule:

@ Virginia
Texas State Uni
@ Clemson
SMU
@ Air Force
Colorado State
@ BYU
UNLV
@ San Diego St.
Utah
@ Wyoming
New Mexico

[the_phoenix612]

TCU's schedule:
buncha crappy teams too.

Not my point.

[pied]

buncha crappy teams too.

Not my point.

What do you think Florida/Alabama/LSU does to that schedule?

How many SEC teams can run the table in the MWC? 3-4?

How many MWC teams can run the table in the SEC? 1-2 every 7-8 years maybe?

[the_phoenix612]

What do you think Florida/Alabama/LSU does to that schedule?

How many SEC teams can run the table in the MWC?
just those three. Again, not my point.

SEC=/=football gods.

[pied]

just those three. Again, not my point.

SEC=/=football gods.

I don't disagree. But I think the SEC>>>> MWC.

TCU is a great team and I think they could give anyone a run this year. I do not believe that they would hold up to a 12 game schedule in the bigger conferences. If they played Florida in the Orange, I still don't think that would prove it. Playing in a tough league, is tough.

[cajun]

Playing in a tough league, is tough.

That's rocket science to some and starting to bore me...Anyways,

I'm convinced TCU and Boise could run the slate this year in the SEC, Big 12, Pac-10 and even the Big 10-probably ACC too...

USC Trojans were 5-4 this year in the Pac-10...:rolleyes:

[yankee]

TCU needs to play 7 or 8 major teams a year, skippy...

lsu doesn't, why should tcu?

[dragonsdaddy]

Exactly correct!

First year of the BCS...Tulane goes 11-0 and heads to the "Liberty Bowl"...TCU and Boise State crying about playing each other in the 2009 Tostitos Fiesta Bowl is really quite funny...Lets all shed some tears!

Both TCU and Bosie be lucky to win 2 or 3 games in the SEC...

Poor Tulane!

1998-Tulane (CUSA) 12-0
9/5 @ *Cincinnati (2-9) W 52 34
9/12 @ Southern Methodist (5-7) W 31 21
9/26 vs. Navy (3-8) W 42 24
10/3 vs. *Southern Mississippi (7-5) W 21 7
10/17 vs. *Louisville (7-5) W 28 22
10/24 @ Rutgers (5-6) W 52 24
10/31 vs. Louisiana-Lafayette (2-9) W 72 20
11/7 @ *Memphis (2-9) W 41 31
11/14 @ *Army (3-8) W 49 35
11/21 vs. *Houston (3-8) W 48 20
11/26 vs. Louisiana Tech (6-6) W 63 30
12/31 vs. Brigham Young (9-5) W 41 27 Liberty Bowl

you are safe saying such stupidities since your bcs honeys aren't allowed to play with the orphans. as long as the goombahs in charge are protecting the "real" teams from integration, you can continue acting better than thou.

[dragonsdaddy]

I don't disagree. But I think the SEC>>>> MWC.

TCU is a great team and I think they could give anyone a run this year. I do not believe that they would hold up to a 12 game schedule in the bigger conferences. If they played Florida in the Orange, I still don't think that would prove it. Playing in a tough league, is tough.
maxtor, is that you?. i bet some kt backers don't like your train of thought here.
there have been 500+ post arguments last week concerning just this process. zounds.

[pied]

maxtor, is that you?. i bet some kt backers don't like your train of thought here.
there have been 500+ post arguments last week concerning just this process. zounds.

I know there's a point there somewhere, but I don't get it.

with a coupl of more ...'s, madfan is that you?

[toonman]

TCU got exactly what they deserve. They play in a second rate conference, beating up second rate teams; so should have no complaints when they have a bowl game against another team that is from a second rate conference.

TCU should man up, quit complaining and play in one of the Top Tier Conferences if they want to play with big boys.

[cajun]

you are safe saying such stupidities since your bcs honeys aren't allowed to play with the orphans. as long as the goombahs in charge are protecting the "real" teams from integration, you can continue acting better than thou.

TCU and Boise St are safe...:rolleyes:

Enjoy the game!

[dragonsdaddy]

TCU and Boise St are safe...:rolleyes:

Enjoy the game!
i agree completely.

signed,

'07 oklahoma



do you really believe fla wants anything to do with tcu?

[Favpack]

I think either Georgia Tech or Clemson would have given Texas all they wanted and more last night. Nebraska played a good game, but let's be real...this was not a very good Nebraska team. Blowout loss to average Tech, loss to bad Iowa State, loss to ACC second tier VaTecg, gut checks against horrible Baylor/Colorado. One real "quality" win all year came against the worst Okie team in a decade.

Georgia Tech/Clemson would have won the north going away this year. Pitt/Cincy would have been less of a competition for Texas. No defense at all on those two teams would have spelled an outcome more like the A&M game. Maybe fewer points scored against.

My point was that those two conferences will remain in the bcs, whether we like it or not.

Texas went 13-0 in an abnormally weak b12 year - and looked very good and very mediocre at times doing it.

We can trace back a decade and cite annual bcs injustices.

You had 5 undefeated schools this year, some more impressive than others. Would TCU or BSU go undefeated in any major conference this year? I say no.

Would Texas go undefeated in the ACC, Big East or Big 10? Yes, laughably yes, and probably.
Would Texas go undefeated in the Pac 10 or SEC? Most likely not in either one.

We can disect it all day long.

[CCDawgs]

Texas football would be upgraded 2,000% if we could get rid of Iowa State and bring in TCU to the b12. The Big East and ACC are going nowhere.

I'll get very few in agreement outside of Austin, but I still think Texas got hosed last year. They ended up No. 2 in most polls that matter, and OU was again made to look like a poser.

Get rid of Baylor before Iowa State.

But I think the Big East took a big step this year. Preseason, they started with zero teams in the top 25. Ended with 3 and one in a BCS bowl. One of the more underrated conferences this year.

[twcpfan1]

What they should really do is do away with the NC game and decide who it is after the Bowl games have been played. Heck if you're going to make it subjective, might as well go all the way doing that. Because if that's the case, the winner of TCU and Boise can still be considered.

[Favpack]

What they should really do is do away with the NC game and decide who it is after the Bowl games have been played. Heck if you're going to make it subjective, might as well go all the way doing that. Because if that's the case, the winner of TCU and Boise can still be considered.

A) Throw out the stupid conference championships and go with the BCS rating.

Excluding the BCS, you could have the same exact bowls on Dec. 25 - 26th, semis on Jan. 1-2, and the final on Jan. 16. The bottom two would be a play-in:

Play in bowl game Dec. 7th - 9) Oregon - Pac 10 champ vs. 8) Ohio St. - Big10 champ
Dec. 25-26
Ore-OSU winner vs. 1) Florida - SEC co-champ
7) Georgia Tech - ACC champ vs. 2) Bama - SEC co-champ
6) Boise St. - at large vs. 3) Texas - B12 champ
5) TCU - at large 4) Cincy - Big East Champ

Winners to semis on Jan. 2
Final two weeks later on 1/16.

It would have:

1) No bearing on softening the regular season.
2) No bearing on other bowls - which would carry on as normal.
3) No bearing on the student/athlete experience.

Makes too much sense.

[cajun]

do you really believe fla wants anything to do with tcu?

TCU's 14-10 win over Clemson must have really impressed you...

[dragonsdaddy]

TCU got exactly what they deserve. They play in a second rate conference, beating up second rate teams; so should have no complaints when they have a bowl game against another team that is from a second rate conference.

TCU should man up, quit complaining and play in one of the Top Tier Conferences if they want to play with big boys.so in your alternate universe, tcu opted out of the swc and chose not to join the big 12. i heard they weren't invited, but maybe all they needed to do was ask politely.

[pied]

If I understand it right the play-in gmae would be #8-#9. Before the Championship games that would have been # 8 tOSU and #9 Iowa. A rematch of a few weeks prior.

[dragonsdaddy]

TCU's 14-10 win over Clemson must have really impressed you...
prolly as much as you were with those 10 pt fla stompings of powerhouses miss state, arkie, and lsu. all were played in mid to late season when supposedly they should be really rolling too. unless you are a bookie, i don't guess the winning margin comes in to play anymore. i get it. you want to keep the orphans where they belong, and are willing to throw them a bone periodically to keep them mollified. seems pretty 1950ish to me. and lucky for you, the pretty boys won't have to soil theirselves playing the lower class. segregation at it worst.

[Favpack]

so in your alternate universe, tcu opted out of the swc and chose not to join the big 12. i heard they weren't invited, but maybe all they needed to do was ask politely.

And, they never, ever got the death penalty.... clear anti-Christian bias.

[toonman]

This will probably be one of the lowest attended and lowest tv audience of all time for the Fiesta Bowl and all BCS Bowls of all time.

This match up of two second tier teams shows exactly why there needs to be a College Football Play-off. If either TCU or Boise are any good, a play -off would give us all the answers.