Region IV Team of the Decade . . .

[Chap Chap]

has to be Westlake. Just secured their 5th Region IV title of the decade and hopes to make its 4th State Final appearance of the decade heading into next Saturday's semi-final match up with Cinco Ranch.

Nice Job Chaps!

[Prideplayer68]

I second that nomination

How many region 4 teams have won a state title this decade?

[BandidoNB]

Judson has.. dont know how many regional championships they have.

[WOS87]

Converse Judson in 2002 is the ONLY Region IV team to win a state title this decade...

State Champs are listed in BLUE
State Finalists are listed in RED

http://idisk.mac.com/cboehme69-Public/scores/5aregionchamps.gif

[LeanderLions3033]

And to think, the two years you guys were in region 2 you couldnt get out of the Williamson county 1st round ;). I'd like see what 16-5a would do against San Antonio, and the Valley, as opposed to Dallas, Houston and East Texas teams.





I kid I kid. That is a very impressive and almost unbelievable feat, especially the way you guys always do it even in what yall would consider a "down year". That 1st comment i left is just the envy coming out .:notworthy

[chap fan]

Well this year 25-5A put it to 16-5A. We'll see if both we and Stony Point make it to the finals who wins (for the rest of the state--we've never played each other). Pflugerville made the switch from Region II to IV last year with some success--but not a walk in the park. And I think not too different from how they did in Region II playoffs their last couple of years there.

I think the big difference is that the types of teams we see in San Antonio, the Valley, and even Houston are somewhat different that what we see out of Regions I and II. San Antonio usually has run-oriented teams. Houston area--we've seen some passing teams. Fortunately, 25-5A prepares us for both.

Hope you're at the Dome if SP and we make it there--even though I'm sure you'll be rooting for SP! Better yet, why don't you come over to Memorial Stadium next Saturday and actually root FOR us?

[mad_fan]

has to be Westlake. Just secured their 5th Region IV title of the decade and hopes to make its 4th State Final appearance of the decade heading into next Saturday's semi-final match up with Cinco Ranch.

Nice Job Chaps!

Converse Judson...

/thread...

[svhorns]

Smithson Valley is 2-1 against Westlake and 5-1 against Judson. 2 state championship appearances and 4 region 4 championships. The year before joining 5a, Smithson Valley made a state championship appearance.

[Katy06Tiger]

yeah. I would say SV for sure

[Chap Chap]

Smithson Valley is 2-1 against Westlake and 5-1 against Judson. 2 state championship appearances and 4 region 4 championships. The year before joining 5a, Smithson Valley made a state championship appearance.

Great argument, but no Rangers playoff appearance in the last year of the decade, really hurts their case.

[rudedog60]

Great argument, but no Rangers playoff appearance in the last year of the decade, really hurts their case.


Exactly what is the purpose of this recognition? Who cares if a team has had a successful run at winning a Region Championship? The ultimate goal of playing in high school playoffs is winning the State Championship. All these 'District Champs', 'Bi-District Champs', 'Region Champs' monickers schools throw on their web sites, T-Shirts, and other athletic memorabilia provide a nice moral booster for the kids that attend the school, but unless you win the 'Big Kahuna', they're nothing but false platitudes. Yea, they can be perceived as evidensce of a successful football program for a school, but unless that program can back it up with one or more State Championships, who really cares?

[Prideplayer68]

Exactly what is the purpose of this recognition? Who cares if a team has had a successful run at winning a Region Championship? The ultimate goal of playing in high school playoffs is winning the State Championship. All these 'District Champs', 'Bi-District Champs', 'Region Champs' monickers schools throw on their web sites, T-Shirts, and other athletic memorabilia provide a nice moral booster for the kids that attend the school, but unless you win the 'Big Kahuna', they're nothing but false platitudes. Yea, they can be perceived as evidensce of a successful football program for a school, but unless that program can back it up with one or more State Championships, who really cares?

Well then every year there are ONLY two successful 5a programs? That doesn't seem accurate to me at all. In my opinion the best barometer for a program's success is its consistency in making playoff runs.

Based on that, it would seem that Westlake is the number 1 team over the last 10 years, with 3 (possibly 4) state finals appearances and having never missed the playoffs.

[Beanz]

And to think, the two years you guys were in region 2 you couldnt get out of the Williamson county 1st round ;). I'd like see what 16-5a would do against San Antonio, and the Valley, as opposed to Dallas, Houston and East Texas teams.





I kid I kid. That is a very impressive and almost unbelievable feat, especially the way you guys always do it even in what yall would consider a "down year". That 1st comment i left is just the envy coming out .:notworthy

seeing as i used to go to westlake, i see this as an interesting conversation.
let's put westlake in 16 next season.

their "give me" win will be vista ridge, but let's evaluate who else westlake would beat.

vs leander... in all honesty i think this would be a good match up (at least for the coaches).

vs cedar park... depends on if coach ross would feel like running something besides a conservative offense. it's tied 1-1 in the past two years (but it has been all cedar park statistically speaking).

vs stony point... (hopefully we will find out in two weeks :ninja:) i think stony point would have this one, through and through.

vs georgetown... next year would be interesting, seeing as georgetown will be mostly upperclassmen and well used to "having nothing to lose" from this season. i think georgetown could definitely make a case for itself, but i feel like westlake would win.

vs round rock... if round rock had a grown secondary in their defense, and the same ground game offense from this season, then they could win... but if their secondary is weak, then westlake would have this one by half time.

vs westwood... westlake would probably burn the warrior defense, so westlake.

vs mcneil... a new head coach who knows what he is doing mixed with mcneil's usual "A List" roster could definitely do some damage. but if their new head coach is the same, then not so much. toss up.

your thoughts leander lion?

[kbarj]

Interesting question, and unfortunately my team isn't even in the running. Looking at the history, SV and Westlake certainly have great programs, but I think I have to go with Judson...it's pretty close, but the State Championship stands out.

[svhorns]

Interesting question, and unfortunately my team isn't even in the running. Looking at the history, SV and Westlake certainly have great programs, but I think I have to go with Judson...it's pretty close, but the State Championship stands out.

Agree.

[rudedog60]

Well then every year there are ONLY two successful 5a programs? That doesn't seem accurate to me at all. In my opinion the best barometer for a program's success is its consistency in making playoff runs.

Based on that, it would seem that Westlake is the number 1 team over the last 10 years, with 3 (possibly 4) state finals appearances and having never missed the playoffs.


Again, I consider a team successful if they continually win The Big Event, not the one's leading up to it. I remember before the Spurs won their first NBA Championship, they hung up all these "West Division Champions" banners in the Arena and Alamodome. Most of the fans just laughed about it because they figured the Spurs had to hang something up in the rafters so when Boston, Chicago, and LA came to town, they could have something to look at.

Never missed playoffs? 25-5 has 8 teams in their district. You have a 50-50 chance at not making the playoffs in any given season. Looking at their records this season, Akins and Anderson look like they belong in 4A instead of 5A (since they started their seasons playing mostly 4A schools). Austin Westlake would have to miss their first 5 games of the season to ever miss the playoffs. :D

[chap fan]

seeing as i used to go to westlake, i see this as an interesting conversation.
let's put westlake in 16 next season.

their "give me" win will be vista ridge, but let's evaluate who else westlake would beat.

vs leander... in all honesty i think this would be a good match up (at least for the coaches).

vs cedar park... depends on if coach ross would feel like running something besides a conservative offense. it's tied 1-1 in the past two years (but it has been all cedar park statistically speaking).

vs stony point... (hopefully we will find out in two weeks :ninja:) i think stony point would have this one, through and through.

vs georgetown... next year would be interesting, seeing as georgetown will be mostly upperclassmen and well used to "having nothing to lose" from this season. i think georgetown could definitely make a case for itself, but i feel like westlake would win.

vs round rock... if round rock had a grown secondary in their defense, and the same ground game offense from this season, then they could win... but if their secondary is weak, then westlake would have this one by half time.

vs westwood... westlake would probably burn the warrior defense, so westlake.

vs mcneil... a new head coach who knows what he is doing mixed with mcneil's usual "A List" roster could definitely do some damage. but if their new head coach is the same, then not so much. toss up.

your thoughts leander lion?

Oh, please! And Round Rock has beaten Westlake when? Not in the last thirteen years--and I suspect never is a good possibility. I'm glad you're proud of 16-5A, but you need to update your familiarity with 25-5A. And for the other post about Akins being 4A, Akins is actually one of the largest schools in our district. Success on the football field, however, has been difficult for them. Anderson is very competitive and beat Austin High. They may drop down based on numbers, but if your 16-5A teams think that 25-5A is the pushover it was just a few years ago, they haven't been paying attention.

[caesarscott]

westlake did all right in Region II. i thought so, at least...

[chap fan]

You beat us in bi-district two years straight. You always have a very talented team and are bigger than we are. The previous time we were in Region II, I remember going to Waco to play (and lose to) the eventual state champ Garland in what must have been at least the second round of the playoffs. So while we do okay against Region II playoff teams in non-district, we haven't been nearly as successful in playoff games there as in Region IV.

[ATXChap07]

Since 2000:

Westlake

104*-20* 84% win percentage

22*-9* 71% in the playoffs

*-Westlake is still active in the playoffs

Westlake has made the playoffs every year this decade, have been regional champions 5 times, been to state 3 times but haven't won.

2-0 vs Converse Judson
1-2 vs Smithson Valley

Converse Judson

94-32 75%

19-7 74% in the playoffs

Have been to the playoffs 8/10 years, have been regional champs 4 times, have been to state 3 times and beat midland in 2002.

0-2 vs Westlake
1-6 vs SV


Smithson Valley

115*-22* 84%, .005% greater than Westlake or
90-19 83% since joining 5A in '02

28*-9* 76% or
22-7 76% since joining 5A in '02

*- SV was 4A in 2000-2001

Have been to the playoffs 9/10 years, have been regional champs 5*(4 in 5A) times, and have been to state 3*(2 in 5A) times and have never won.

2-1 vs Westlake
6-1 vs Converse Judson


Unless Westlake goes to state, I give the nod to SV.



Another interesting statistic I noticed. Since 2000, there hasn't been a year that neither of these teams haven't represented region 4.

2000-AW
2001-AW
2002-CJ/SV
2003-AW
2004-CJ/SV
2005-CJ/SV
2006-AW
2007-CJ
2008-SV
2009-AW

[WestlakeTech]

:rolleyes: So we all agree to disagree...

[DiamondJ2]

3 great programs which could be "team of the decade". SV and AW have both been very successful against Judson, but only Judson has brought home the title. All three are programs the continously do well and are not a flash in the pan.

[ATXChap07]

Yet another interesting trend I noticed. R1 Odessa Permian was the program of the '80s. R4 Converse Judson was program of the 90's. R3 Katy is the program of the '00s. Will an emerging R2 power be the program of the '10s? Stony Point anyone......

[rudedog60]

Since 2000:

Westlake

104*-20* 84% win percentage

22*-9* 71% in the playoffs

*-Westlake is still active in the playoffs

Westlake has made the playoffs every year this decade, have been regional champions 5 times, been to state 3 times but haven't won.

2-0 vs Converse Judson
1-2 vs Smithson Valley

Converse Judson

94-32 75%

19-7 74% in the playoffs

Have been to the playoffs 8/10 years, have been regional champs 4 times, have been to state 3 times and beat midland in 2002.

0-2 vs Westlake
1-6 vs SV


Smithson Valley

115*-22* 84%, .005% greater than Westlake or
90-19 83% since joining 5A in '02

28*-9* 76% or
22-7 76% since joining 5A in '02

*- SV was 4A in 2000-2001

Have been to the playoffs 9/10 years, have been regional champs 5*(4 in 5A) times, and have been to state 3*(2 in 5A) times and have never won.

2-1 vs Westlake
6-1 vs Converse Judson


Unless Westlake goes to state, I give the nod to SV.



Another interesting statistic I noticed. Since 2000, there hasn't been a year that neither of these teams haven't represented region 4.

2000-AW
2001-AW
2002-CJ/SV
2003-AW
2004-CJ/SV
2005-CJ/SV
2006-AW
2007-CJ
2008-SV
2009-AW


You seem to be going through a WHOLE lot of effort to make your case about having some moniker and useless platitude awarded to Austin Westlake. You trying to create some moneymaking scheme where you can make up some kind of new bumper sticker or window sticker that says "Austin Westlake Chapparels - Region 4 Team Of The Decade"? If so, knock yourself out. I'm sure you'll find plenty of buyers, unless of course you go with the theory of one of your fans that states their car gets "Spit on and trash thrown at it" in the Austin area simply because of the current Westlake sticker. :rolleyes:

[ATXChap07]

You seem to be going through a WHOLE lot of effort to make your case about having some moniker and useless platitude awarded to Austin Westlake. You trying to create some moneymaking scheme where you can make up some kind of new bumper sticker or window sticker that says "Austin Westlake Chapparels - Region 4 Team Of The Decade"? If so, knock yourself out. I'm sure you'll find plenty of buyers, unless of course you go with the theory of one of your fans that states their car gets "Spit on and trash thrown at it" in the Austin area simply because of the current Westlake sticker. :rolleyes:

What part of "unless Westlake goes to state, I give the nod to SV" don't you understand. I posted those stats because all these programs have a legit claim. Want me to do R1 too with SLC and ET? R2 with Woodlands and Lufkin? R3 with Katy and...... and...... North shore?

[KatyTigers]

Smithson Valley without a doubt

[rudedog60]

What part of "unless Westlake goes to state, I give the nod to SV" don't you understand. I posted those stats because all these programs have a legit claim. Want me to do R1 too with SLC and ET? R2 with Woodlands and Lufkin? R3 with Katy and...... and...... North shore?


I'm not doubting the stats. I'm just asking, what is the point of the entire argument of who is the Region 4 Team of the Decade? Why stop there? Whose the Team Of The Decade for every district in the state? Whose the Team Of The Decade in every city and small town in the State of Texas? Austin Westlake won Region 4 again this year, we get it. I'll be more impressed if you can say Austin Westlake - State Champions - 2009. Otherwise, you're just trying to pat yourself on the back by awarding your team some useless platitude that really no one could care about.

[ATXChap07]

I'm not doubting the stats. I'm just asking, what is the point of the entire argument of who is the Region 4 Team of the Decade? Why stop there? Whose the Team Of The Decade for every district in the state? Whose the Team Of The Decade in every city and small town in the State of Texas? Austin Westlake won Region 4 again this year, we get it. I'll be more impressed if you can say Austin Westlake - State Champions - 2009. Otherwise, you're just trying to pat yourself on the back by awarding your team some useless platitude that really no one could care about.

I would be offended by this statement, by someone whos football program has credibility. KT, SV, CJ fans can talk. You sir, shut your mouth, and let the big boys handle this one.

[rudedog60]

I would be offended by this statement, by someone whos football program has credibility. KT, SV, CJ fans can talk. You sir, shut your mouth, and let the big boys handle this one.


Now there's a mature comeback. Living through your local teams success because the school you went to completely sucked when it came to football? Or better yet, a little disturbed that Katy can truly claim themselves as the 5A Division 2 Team Of The Decade? At least you got the 'boy' part right. You certainly are acting childish about this ridiculous issue.

[Beanz]

Oh, please! And Round Rock has beaten Westlake when? Not in the last thirteen years--and I suspect never is a good possibility. I'm glad you're proud of 16-5A, but you need to update your familiarity with 25-5A. And for the other post about Akins being 4A, Akins is actually one of the largest schools in our district. Success on the football field, however, has been difficult for them. Anderson is very competitive and beat Austin High. They may drop down based on numbers, but if your 16-5A teams think that 25-5A is the pushover it was just a few years ago, they haven't been paying attention.

when was the last time round rock played westlake? i do not remember any meetings between the teams so i am legitimately asking because i do not know.

update my familiarity with 25? that's cute. 25 has a few pretty good teams. if you remember, pflugerville was in our district before vista ridge bumped up to 5A and kicked them out. pflugerville's very first season in 25 they shared the district championship title (they lost by 1 point to bowie which caused a 3 way tie between them, bowie, and westlake).

as for austin high, not too impressed compared to other teams in 16... i mean westwood barely made playoffs and they killed austin high. anderson had a good run at first, but i guess something happened... they did beat georgetown who is usually good, but this season they went 1-9...

[SaRattlerFan]

Now there's a mature comeback. Living through your local teams success because the school you went to completely sucked when it came to football? Or better yet, a little disturbed that Katy can truly claim themselves as the 5A Division 2 Team Of The Decade? At least you got the 'boy' part right. You certainly are acting childish about this ridiculous issue.

I see Rudedog60 is making friends in this thread the same way he does in most threads. Wait until he condemns one of your schools student bodies and football teams - see Brandeis/NB thread.

As for the question since this IS a football forum and ideas and questions are welcome, I would have to go with Judson by virtue of their State Championship during the decade. I do think a case can be made for Westlake and SV.

[WestlakeTech]

You seem to be going through a WHOLE lot of effort to make your case about having some moniker and useless platitude awarded to Austin Westlake. You trying to create some moneymaking scheme where you can make up some kind of new bumper sticker or window sticker that says "Austin Westlake Chapparels - Region 4 Team Of The Decade"? If so, knock yourself out. I'm sure you'll find plenty of buyers, unless of course you go with the theory of one of your fans that states their car gets "Spit on and trash thrown at it" in the Austin area simply because of the current Westlake sticker. :rolleyes:

Wasn't me personally, but that's not a "theory." It's pretty legit.

[WestlakeTech]

when was the last time round rock played westlake? i do not remember any meetings between the teams so i am legitimately asking because i do not know.

update my familiarity with 25? that's cute. 25 has a few pretty good teams. if you remember, pflugerville was in our district before vista ridge bumped up to 5A and kicked them out. pflugerville's very first season in 25 they shared the district championship title (they lost by 1 point to bowie which caused a 3 way tie between them, bowie, and westlake).

as for austin high, not too impressed compared to other teams in 16... i mean westwood barely made playoffs and they killed austin high. anderson had a good run at first, but i guess something happened... they did beat georgetown who is usually good, but this season they went 1-9...

1997. Westlake won 34-3. The year before that, Westlake won 42-0, and would go on to win the '96 state title.

[RedRage00]

I would be offended by this statement, by someone whos football program has credibility. KT, SV, CJ fans can talk. You sir, shut your mouth, and let the big boys handle this one.

Just because someone's school isn't the greatest team doesn't mean the fans don't know what they're talking about.

[RedRage00]

Unless Westlake wins a title this season, I'll probably pick Judson.

[chap fan]

Actually, I seem to recall Texas Monthly putting us on their cover and naming Westlake the team of the 90's.

[ATXChap07]

Actually, I seem to recall Texas Monthly putting us on their cover and naming Westlake the team of the 90's.

LOL, Converse Judson hands down is the team of the 90's. They went to 8 semi finals, 6 state championships, and won 3.

[aftermath]

when was the last time round rock played westlake? i do not remember any meetings between the teams so i am legitimately asking because i do not know.

update my familiarity with 25? that's cute. 25 has a few pretty good teams. if you remember, pflugerville was in our district before vista ridge bumped up to 5A and kicked them out. pflugerville's very first season in 25 they shared the district championship title (they lost by 1 point to bowie which caused a 3 way tie between them, bowie, and westlake).

as for austin high, not too impressed compared to other teams in 16... i mean westwood barely made playoffs and they killed austin high. anderson had a good run at first, but i guess something happened... they did beat georgetown who is usually good, but this season they went 1-9...

Get real Beanz, Georgetown sucks, McNeil,westwood,vista,RR ,not much better, CedarPark and Leander never win anything but pre-season, Stony Point is only stud after Pflugerville moved south. If you really are from Westlake ,you should have stayed there, if CP was ever going to win ,it was this year, they choked. Don't be sour grapes,Westlake has WAAAY more proven history than anyone in your conference. Come home or quit crying!

[TexasRed6x]

LOL, Converse Judson hands down is the team of the 90's. They went to 8 semi finals, 6 state championships, and won 3.

I must have missed some of them then, but in all honesty the state championship and the 2 other title games puts them at least in my book as the team of the 90's.

[RedRage00]

Actually, I seem to recall Texas Monthly putting us on their cover and naming Westlake the team of the 90's.

How much did yall pay for that? :D

[Chap Chap]

If i'm not mistaken, (which I could be) I think Westlake won more games in the 90's than any other program at any level.

[svhorns]

Judson 3 state titles in 90's.... Westlake 1 state title in the 90's. The proof is in the pudding boys.

[Shadowweaver]

Records and wins between Judson, Smithson Valley, and Westlake are very similar.

I would say that the huge differentiator needs to be the Judson State Championship. With that edge, I would definitely vote for Judson as the team of the decade.

[chap fan]

LOL, Converse Judson hands down is the team of the 90's. They went to 8 semi finals, 6 state championships, and won 3.

No one paid for it--except those who bought the magazine--it was the big cover story. I think it used winning percentages and several other statistics to reach that conclusion. And I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't win a higher percentage of our games than Judson, because we had a 70+ game streak of district wins without a loss that stretched past 2000.

I think we agree to disagree, but know that Judson was NOT featured on the cover of a statewide magazine as the Texas team of the 90's (not just Region IV).

[RedRage00]

Judson 3 state titles in 90's.... Westlake 1 state title in the 90's. The proof is in the pudding boys.

If I were Judson I wouldn't be worried about a magazine calling me team of the decade...I'd just go look at those 3 state titles won in the 90s ;)

[gochaps]

If I were Judson I wouldn't be worried about a magazine calling me team of the decade...I'd just go look at those 3 state titles won in the 90s ;)
I am a Westlake fan, but agree that three state championships speaks volumes. If I had to pick one of these teams as the team of the 90's, although Westlake had a good stretch, I would pick Judson as the team of the 90's.

There are alot of really good football programs in the state of Texas. The bragging stuff just goes to diminish that school, at least in my mind. We have a big game this weekend against a really good opponent. Let's be measured by our performance on the field! GoChaps!

[WOS87]

If i'm not mistaken, (which I could be) I think Westlake won more games in the 90's than any other program at any level.

Close but not quite... Westlake was #2 with 126 wins from 1990-1999

LaMarque had 127 wins


(which should put the 128 wins by SLC, 131 current wins by Katy and 132 wins by Celina from 2000-2009 into perspective)

Granted LaMarque competed 6 out of 10 years in the '90's with only one single division in the 4A playoffs...