Largest enrollments in the country.

[dada]

I was just curious....I found this chart but it was from 1998....does anyone have an updated list?:

http://www.aft.org/pubs-reports/american_educator/winter00-01/SmallSchools.pdf#search='largest%20high%20schools% 20in%20america'



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[Red Raiders]

I was just curious....I found this chart but it was from 1998....does anyone have an updated list?:

http://www.aft.org/pubs-reports/american_educator/winter00-01/SmallSchools.pdf#search='largest%20high%20schools% 20in%20america'



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I heard Plano East had 5,000 students 2 years ago? Correct it if I am wrong.

I found 1 website "greatschools.net" which has 2004-2005 enrollment (thats the latest I can find right now). You may have to wait until end of the school year for recent.

[drgnbkr]

I heard Plano East had 5,000 students 2 years ago? Correct it if I am wrong.

I found 1 website "greatschools.net" which has 2004-2005 enrollment (thats the latest I can find right now). You may have to wait until end of the school year for recent.

Plano East is 5,400 this year.....

[dragons08]

Plano East is 5,400 this year.....
that is just insane! whats the student pop of Carroll ISD??

[PaulinPlano]

Plano East Enrollment is 5652.:eek: Please understand that Feeder High Schools, Williams & Clark, enrollments in the EAST Cluster are included in this enrollment figure.

A note to the band folks on this site, Plano East Senior High only has Juniors and Seniors which explains why their band is usually smaller than others because they only march Juniors and Seniors. Williams and Clark have their own marching bands which march with the Senior High Panthers once a year for an East Cluster band of over 600!

[drgnbkr]

Plano East Enrollment is 5652.:eek:

Plano High is 5400, so PESH and Plano have about 4,000 more students between them than the entire Carroll School district, which is 7,300! Add in Allen and Plano West and the others, and you guys have a seriously heavy district in terms of enrollment...

[DrEdward]

Plano High is 5400, so PESH and Plano have about 4,000 more students between them than the entire Carroll School district, which is 7,300! Add in Allen and Plano West and the others, and you guys have a seriously heavy district in terms of enrollment...


That's about right for the Carroll ISD. In terms of high school population, the 9th-10th grade facility enrollment is about 1200+ currently and the 11th-12th grade campus having a bit over 1100 this year.

[brad@sunshinepreps]

I know Cypress Bay down in Florida has over 5,000 this year.

[pack0808]

The Woodlands had an enrollment that was very close to 5,000 before adding a new school called college park. Same with Judson before adding a new school.

[supercentex]

You should see the campuses at The Woodlands, Plano East, Plano West, Plano Senior........they all remind me of small private colleges.

[mojo61]

Those lg. schls. talked about should be in a 6-A classification for fb. With all the money saved by having lg. schls., they could easily afford the extra expense of sending fb teams farther distances to play fb games. As far as academics suffering because of the increased travel, I don't think lg. Tx. schls. are breaking any records now in academics (despite whatever statistics are being cooked to show) even w/ the shorter distances to travel--a little bit of extra travel on Fri.'s prob. wouldn't hurt anything, & it would even up the playing field for those 5-A schls. in the low 2k's.

[pack0808]

Those lg. schls. talked about should be in a 6-A classification for fb. With all the money saved by having lg. schls., they could easily afford the extra expense of sending fb teams farther distances to play fb games. As far as academics suffering because of the increased travel, I don't think lg. Tx. schls. are breaking any records now in academics (despite whatever statistics are being cooked to show) even w/ the shorter distances to travel--a little bit of extra travel on Fri.'s prob. wouldn't hurt anything, & it would even up the playing field for those 5-A schls. in the low 2k's.


Why?, when is the last time a plano school been to even the state semis? The Woodlands is the only team that has had a deep run lately besides Plano this year when they got beat by SLC in the regional finals. Once you get numbers up over 2,000 it does not make that much of a difference. In fact, if you look at some of the top notch teams lately like a Lufkin, SLC, or SV etc They all have a smaller then average 5a enrollment. I say keep them all in 5a. We are already split up enough here in Texas.

[Slim-Rob]

Judson was over 5000 before last year. Now we have about 4000. I think it is closer to 3500 though

[DiamondJ2]

Judson enrllment this year is 3350. Travel will become a difficult issue for 90% of the districts with gas prices and 65% rule going into effect.

[supercentex]

Waco High one of the smallest 5-A schools (has had 4-A numbers the past year or so) and has beat The Woodlands, Converse Judson, Tyler Lee, Lufkin, Abilene, Lewisville, Midland Lee, Bryan and all of these schools have double or almost triple the numbers we have had.

I think it matters if you are a small school and don't really have any athletes. Or, the coaching is bad and you have athletes....

You could really see the difference with lack of depth with Waco...especially last year. They were in alot of games at the very end (A&M, Cove, Harker, Bryan) but could not shut the door.

[pack0808]

Waco High one of the smallest 5-A schools (has had 4-A numbers the past year or so) and has beat The Woodlands, Converse Judson, Tyler Lee, Lufkin, Abilene, Lewisville, Midland Lee, Bryan and all of these schools have double or almost triple the numbers we have had.

I think it matters if you are a small school and don't really have any athletes. Or, the coaching is bad and you have athletes....

You could really see the difference with lack of depth with Waco...especially last year. They were in alot of games at the very end (A&M, Cove, Harker, Bryan) but could not shut the door.


When Waco came back and beat Lufkin the one time they have beat them in 2000 i believe? when they had Derrick Johnson, Lufkin maybe had 200 to 300 more students then Waco? Not that big of a difference at all. Where do you get these enrollment numbers on Lufkin centex? almost double or triple then Waco? WHAT? Lufkin is a smaller 5a school and always has been.
Lufkin is right at 2,200 now and Lufkin has grown. I would say Lufkin had about 2,000 back in the year 2000. So did Waco have 500, or 1,000 students? No because they would be in 2a or 3a if so. If you look at 5a, having 4,500 plus is no more advantage then having 2,000 plus. Look at the results. Lufkin destroys teams all of the time that have 2,000 plus more students then Lufkin has. Not a big deal. Now when you get lower and lower like 1,700 and less like Waco was nearing it makes more and more of a difference like you said. That is why Waco was becoming a very average to medocre 5a team lately and they needed to go down. But when you have 2,000 plus, you still have many to choose from and you can still have quality depth to survive a 5a schedule.

[supercentex]

When Waco came back and beat Lufkin the one time they have beat them in 2000 i believe? when they had Derrick Johnson, Lufkin maybe had 200 to 300 more students then Waco? Not that big of a difference at all. Where do you get these enrollment numbers on Lufkin centex? almost double or triple then Waco? WHAT? Lufkin is a smaller 5a school and always has been.
Lufkin is right at 2,200 now and Lufkin has grown. I would say Lufkin had about 2,000 back in the year 2000. So did Waco have 500, or 1,000 students? No because they would be in 2a or 3a if so. If you look at 5a, having 4,500 plus is no more advantage then having 2,000 plus. Look at the results. Lufkin destroys teams all of the time that have 2,000 plus more students then Lufkin has. Not a big deal. Now when you get lower and lower like 1,700 and less like Waco was nearing it makes more and more of a difference like you said. That is why Waco was becoming a very average to medocre 5a team lately and they needed to go down. But when you have 2,000 plus, you still have many to choose from and you can still have quality depth to survive a 5a schedule.

I thought Lufkin had over 3,000. Back in 2000 we had 1,925.......all of the other schools I listed (most of them) have way more than Waco. I wasn't saying all of them had double or triple........just as a whole we have had success over the years being one of the smallest schools in 5-A.
Back in 1986 when we merged the three high schools .....we had over 3,000 students. Alot of them are going to smaller high schools around the area.
Also AJ Moore Academy in Waco opened up in 2000 and takes students from Waco High and Waco U. They are a large 3-A school if you looked at their numbers but they do not play any sports. It's a technical high school for kids that want to go into that field. Waco High has emphasis on the arts....and Waco University is medical.

[pack0808]

Lufkin has never had close to 3,000. Never! I was wrong earlier though, they now have 2,441 according to new enrollment figures not 2,200. That has to be the most Lufkin has ever had. Lufkin is growing now. I believe they had closer to 2,200 in the last enrollment. I would say they had around 2,000 to 2,150 in 2000 centex? Lufkin probably had 200 more then Waco back then.

[The Lone Ranger]

Judson enrllment this year is 3350. Travel will become a difficult issue for 90% of the districts with gas prices and 65% rule going into effect.

The only places that there would be new travel issues in a class 6A would be in the Coastal Bend/RGV.

I believe that a 16-district 16, with a cap of 2460 or so, would work out well.

1: Americas, Coronado, Franklin, Montwood, Socorro, El Dorado (they're only 9-11 right now)
2: Abilene, SAC, Midland, Lee, Odessa, Permian
3: Granbury (they're listed at 2600, but I think they actually have 1995 9-12), Arlington, Bowie, Houston, Lamar, Martin, Mansfield, Summit
4: Haltom, Keller, Trinity, Bell, GP, SGP, De Soto, Duncanville
5: Allen, Coppell, Lewisville, FM, Marcus, Plano, PESH, PWSH
6: Jesuit, Skyline, Rockwall, Rowlett, Mesquite, Tyler Lee, Berkner, LH
7: Elsik, Hastings, Taylor, Strake Jesuit, Klein, Collins, Forest, Spring, Westfield
8: Conroe, TW, Humble, Kingwood, Atascocita, Aldine, Eisenhower, MacArthur, Nimitz
9: Cy-Fair ISD + Magnolia and Tomball
10: Katy, Cinco Ranch, Mayde Creek, Morton Ranch, Katy Taylor, FB Austin, Bush, Hightower, Kempner
11: Sam Houston, Bellaire, Lamar, Westside, Westbury, GPNS, Deer Park, Baytown Lee, Sterling
12: Padadena, Dobie, Alvin, Pearland, Brazoswood, Ball, Clear Lake, Clear Creek, Clear Brook
13: Bryan, Consol, RR McNeil, RR Westwood, RR Stony Point, Austin Bowie
14: Victoria Memorial, Judson, Southwest, Churchill, Madison, MacArthur, Reagan
15: Del Rio, Laredo United, Clark, Warren, Taft, O'Connor, Jay, Marshall
16: CC King, Harlingen, Brownsville Hanna, Donna, Edinburg, La Joya

[pack0808]

The only places that there would be new travel issues in a class 6A would be in the Coastal Bend/RGV.

I believe that a 16-district 16, with a cap of 2460 or so, would work out well.

1: Americas, Coronado, Franklin, Montwood, Socorro, El Dorado (they're only 9-11 right now)
2: Abilene, SAC, Midland, Lee, Odessa, Permian
3: Granbury (they're listed at 2600, but I think they actually have 1995 9-12), Arlington, Bowie, Houston, Lamar, Martin, Mansfield, Summit
4: Haltom, Keller, Trinity, Bell, GP, SGP, De Soto, Duncanville
5: Allen, Coppell, Lewisville, FM, Marcus, Plano, PESH, PWSH
6: Jesuit, Skyline, Rockwall, Rowlett, Mesquite, Tyler Lee, Berkner, LH
7: Elsik, Hastings, Taylor, Strake Jesuit, Klein, Collins, Forest, Spring, Westfield
8: Conroe, TW, Humble, Kingwood, Atascocita, Aldine, Eisenhower, MacArthur, Nimitz
9: Cy-Fair ISD + Magnolia and Tomball
10: Katy, Cinco Ranch, Mayde Creek, Morton Ranch, Katy Taylor, FB Austin, Bush, Hightower, Kempner
11: Sam Houston, Bellaire, Lamar, Westside, Westbury, GPNS, Deer Park, Baytown Lee, Sterling
12: Padadena, Dobie, Alvin, Pearland, Brazoswood, Ball, Clear Lake, Clear Creek, Clear Brook
13: Bryan, Consol, RR McNeil, RR Westwood, RR Stony Point, Austin Bowie
14: Victoria Memorial, Judson, Southwest, Churchill, Madison, MacArthur, Reagan
15: Del Rio, Laredo United, Clark, Warren, Taft, O'Connor, Jay, Marshall
16: CC King, Harlingen, Brownsville Hanna, Donna, Edinburg, La Joya



What would be the point? If 5a was being dominated by a bunch large enrollment teams i might understand but that is clearly not the case.

[The Lone Ranger]

What would be the point? If 5a was being dominated by a bunch large enrollment teams i might understand but that is clearly not the case.

Because 4A and 3A have very large enrollment disparities between the smallest and largest schools. Making a 6A would allow the lower classifications to be closer together and be more competitive.

[dragonsdaddy]

The only places that there would be new travel issues in a class 6A would be in the Coastal Bend/RGV.

I believe that a 16-district 16, with a cap of 2460 or so, would work out well.

1: Americas, Coronado, Franklin, Montwood, Socorro, El Dorado (they're only 9-11 right now)
2: Abilene, SAC, Midland, Lee, Odessa, Permian
3: Granbury (they're listed at 2600, but I think they actually have 1995 9-12), Arlington, Bowie, Houston, Lamar, Martin, Mansfield, Summit
4: Haltom, Keller, Trinity, Bell, GP, SGP, De Soto, Duncanville
5: Allen, Coppell, Lewisville, FM, Marcus, Plano, PESH, PWSH
6: Jesuit, Skyline, Rockwall, Rowlett, Mesquite, Tyler Lee, Berkner, LH
7: Elsik, Hastings, Taylor, Strake Jesuit, Klein, Collins, Forest, Spring, Westfield
8: Conroe, TW, Humble, Kingwood, Atascocita, Aldine, Eisenhower, MacArthur, Nimitz
9: Cy-Fair ISD + Magnolia and Tomball
10: Katy, Cinco Ranch, Mayde Creek, Morton Ranch, Katy Taylor, FB Austin, Bush, Hightower, Kempner
11: Sam Houston, Bellaire, Lamar, Westside, Westbury, GPNS, Deer Park, Baytown Lee, Sterling
12: Padadena, Dobie, Alvin, Pearland, Brazoswood, Ball, Clear Lake, Clear Creek, Clear Brook
13: Bryan, Consol, RR McNeil, RR Westwood, RR Stony Point, Austin Bowie
14: Victoria Memorial, Judson, Southwest, Churchill, Madison, MacArthur, Reagan
15: Del Rio, Laredo United, Clark, Warren, Taft, O'Connor, Jay, Marshall
16: CC King, Harlingen, Brownsville Hanna, Donna, Edinburg, La Joya
"the schools least likely to be able to afford more travel expenses will be the only ones bothered with them", the lone ranger announces cavalierly.

[supercentex]

I'm just ready to go to a 6-A.......and go back to a single state champion per class with only two schools making the playoffs.

Maybe 6-A could have one team per district going to the playoffs......

I think they should go ahead and form a 6-A with the teams and schools that want to be part of it.

[CCHS77]

I think they should go ahead and form a 6-A with the teams and schools that want to be part of it.

I could be wrong, but isn't it the schools (principals and/or ADs) that have continued to indicate to the UIL (via questionnaires) that they don't want to go to a 6A-1A format?

[mojo61]

For the enrollment count, do all of the schls. count their 9th thru 12th grade to get their hs no.'s?

[dragonsdaddy]

For the enrollment count, do all of the schls. count their 9th thru 12th grade to get their hs no.'s?
yes, or some ratio taking into consideration how many kids go to each school from the feeder 9th grade centers.

[pack0808]

Because 4A and 3A have very large enrollment disparities between the smallest and largest schools. Making a 6A would allow the lower classifications to be closer together and be more competitive.

Some of the lower classification 5a teams have been some of the most dominant lately. SLC, Lufkin, SV, Abilene, Longview etc It is nothing for those teams to destroy a team that has double their enrollment. It is actually the norm. Lufkin played a team last year that had over double their enrollment and Lufkin won in a blow out. (The Woodlands). Once you get up in the 2,000 plus range there is not a big factor anymore in my opinion. The facts are proving that. The div2 playoffs have been clearly tougher in the last 2 years. No need to split them up in my view.

[dada]

Some of the lower classification 5a teams have been some of the most dominant lately. SLC, Lufkin, SV, Abilene, Longview etc
Those are also the one District high schools...when you start growing....more schools open and the talent is spread out. Different middle schools feeding in to different high schools where as in a one district school....kids play together in middle school...then all go to the same high school...the talent isnt seperated and the kids already know how to play together.

[pack0808]

Those are also the one District high schools...when you start growing....more schools open and the talent is spread out. Different middle schools feeding in to different high schools where as in a one district school....kids play together in middle school...then all go to the same high school...the talent isnt seperated and the kids already know how to play together.


You make some decent points there but i always argue how it is such an advantage when a lot of these big city school's complain about being split up but they still have close to double more students to choose from then the one school town's. It evens out in my view. By the way, Lufkin might look like a 1 town school but there are numerous school's very close around the Lufkin area and former Lufkin families send their kids to all of the time. Lufkin/Hudson, Central, Huntington, Diboll, Coorigan etc They either move out there or use a relatives address to send them there. Happens all of the time. I went to Diboll for 1 1/2 years before coming back to Lufkin. Longview has several schools in their city. Longview if far from a 1 school town. The same goes for Abilene. You have Abilene, Cooper, Wylie. I do not know about SV? The only true 1 school town that i listed in my view was SLC.

[dada]

You make some decent points there but i always argue how it is such an advantage when a lot of these big city school's complain about being split up but they still have close to double more students to choose from then the one school town's. It evens out in my view. By the way, Lufkin might look like a 1 town school but there are numerous school's very close around the Lufkin area and former Lufkin families send their kids to all of the time. Lufkin/Hudson, Central, Huntington, Diboll, Coorigan etc They either move out there or use a relatives address to send them there. Happens all of the time. I went to Diboll for 1 1/2 years before coming back to Lufkin. Longview has several schools in their city. Longview if far from a 1 school town. The same goes for Abilene. You have Abilene, Cooper, Wylie. I do not know about SV? The only true 1 school town that i listed in my view was SLC.
What I meant by one school town is...basicly....for example, you have Galena Park ISD.....In 5a....you only have Northshore....so you can expect them to reload every year...like a assembly line...onr group graduates...another group comes in..Then on the other hand you have Katy ISD.....with Katy, Taylor, Cinco Ranch..Morton Lake....etc.

[pack0808]

What I meant by one school town is...basicly....for example, you have Galena Park ISD.....In 5a....you only have Northshore....so you can expect them to reload every year...like a assembly line...onr group graduates...another group comes in..Then on the other hand you have Katy ISD.....with Katy, Taylor, Cinco Ranch..Morton Lake....etc.


They have to split bigger towns up or towns like Katy would have 12,000 plus enrollment. Plus, if there is a dominant team in a bigger town like Katy, then the parents know right where to move so their kid will be on the best football team in the city. That is not unusual either.

[dada]

They have to split bigger towns up or towns like Katy would have 12,000 plus enrollment. Plus, if there is a dominant team in a bigger town like Katy, then the parents know right where to move so their kid will be on the best football team in the city. That is not unusual either.
So I guess I agree with you. Just because one school has 5,000 plus doesnt mean they are more talented than a school with 1500. Alief ISD is a hot bed of talent. I don't know what's going on over there, maybe it's the coaching.