McNeil search

[mcneilmav]

I realize it's very early in the search process. I haven't heard of any possible names from anything with a 'semblence of being official. But what the heck. How bout some speculation. Maybe even a wish list. Maybe even hear from some of you Mavs fans who usually sit on the sidelines.

I'll even start it off. My personal first pick would be that Shipley guy in Brownwood. Proven winner. Hear his son Jaxon can catch a pass or two as well and is only a junior. Heck if the kid ends up at UT like his brother the move would be one of convenience as well. DKR is just down the road. :D

Probably some very fine offensive/defensive coordinators who deserve consideration.

Let's hear it.

[Beanz]

alright, you've persuaded me... i'll apply for head coach.

[AHSeagles]

I realize it's very early in the search process. I haven't heard of any possible names from anything with a 'semblence of being official. But what the heck. How bout some speculation. Maybe even a wish list. Maybe even hear from some of you Mavs fans who usually sit on the sidelines.

I'll even start it off. My personal first pick would be that Shipley guy in Brownwood. Proven winner. Hear his son Jaxon can catch a pass or two as well and is only a junior. Heck if the kid ends up at UT like his brother the move would be one of convenience as well. DKR is just down the road. :D

Probably some very fine offensive/defensive coordinators who deserve consideration.

Let's hear it.

Doubtful. Shipley left Coppell because he liked the smaller towns. Besides, he gets to coach against his bestest buddy Brad McCoy in this district. ;)

[Chap Chap]

The job hasn't even been open a week. The best coaches are still coaching, including up and coming assistants. Loerwald will take his time and make a good hire. He's got to hire at Cedar Creek too, so he has resumes already to consider for both. New Braunfells Canyon opened today too. 4A job, I know, but a good one in the Comal ISD

[mcneilmav]

The job hasn't even been open a week. The best coaches are still coaching, including up and coming assistants. Loerwald will take his time and make a good hire. He's got to hire at Cedar Creek too, so he has resumes already to consider for both. New Braunfells Canyon opened today too. 4A job, I know, but a good one in the Comal ISD

Definitley want Loerwald to take his time and make the best hire available. And it's Cedar Ridge High School.

[mcneilmav]

alright, you've persuaded me... i'll apply for head coach.

We're really looking to change our losing ways. :p

[Beanz]

We're really looking to change our losing ways. :p

2-8 isn't exactly setting the bar too high :D

[LeanderLions3033]

Nothing against Wilcox, but i thought this should have happened a few seasons ago. At one point he was one of the better coaches in the district, but then as other schools hired new coaches (Stony Point, Westwood, Cedar Park), all programs just started passing up McNeil. Im not sure of waht Wilcox's overall record was, but it couldnt have been above .500.

As far as coaching candidates go, i don't have any names but i i'll bet that it'll be a defensive coordinator. I've noticed over the years (and i could be off but this is what i've noticed) that the programs that make the fastest dramatic turnarounds tend to have defensive minded coaches. I saw it happen with us back in 2000 when we 1st hired coach Skinner (Gideon was the offensive coordinator), and with Stony Point and Waco La Vega when my cousin went to school there. Obviously it all depends on the coach, but complex defensive schemes are generally easier to pick up than complex offensive schemes

[playthatd]

Good point about the DCs having more success than their offensive counterparts. However, I don't think the best defensive schemes have to be complicated. In fact, I would argue the opposite.

[mcneilmav]

Nothing against Wilcox, but i thought this should have happened a few seasons ago. At one point he was one of the better coaches in the district, but then as other schools hired new coaches (Stony Point, Westwood, Cedar Park), all programs just started passing up McNeil. Im not sure of waht Wilcox's overall record was, but it couldnt have been above .500.

As far as coaching candidates go, i don't have any names but i i'll bet that it'll be a defensive coordinator. I've noticed over the years (and i could be off but this is what i've noticed) that the programs that make the fastest dramatic turnarounds tend to have defensive minded coaches. I saw it happen with us back in 2000 when we 1st hired coach Skinner (Gideon was the offensive coordinator), and with Stony Point and Waco La Vega when my cousin went to school there. Obviously it all depends on the coach, but complex defensive schemes are generally easier to pick up than complex offensive schemes


Wilcox was hired in 2002. Myron Hardy was a junior. They won three district games. In 2003 Hardy's senior season went 7-4 losing to Temple in bi-district (six district wins, district co-champs). 2004 (4 district wins-backed into playoffs) finished 7-6 losing to TLee in state quarterfinals. McNeil has not won more than three district games in a season since.

[LeanderLions3033]

Good point about the DCs having more success than their offensive counterparts. However, I don't think the best defensive schemes have to be complicated. In fact, I would argue the opposite.

Defense is more just reading, reacting, and staying disciplined. Offense, especially in the passing game, is all about precise timing. Obviously some guys are just great motivators, and others have great coaching staffs so in the end it really doesnt matter, but like i said, typically defense is easier to turn around than offense.

[toonman]

My I suggest that you head-hunt/recruit Hal Wasson of Southlake Carroll - A very experienced Head Coach with a 30-7 record over the 3 years at Carroll.

[LeanderLions3033]

Hal Wasson leaving SLC to go to RR McNeil......


:D

[mcneilmav]

Hal Wasson leaving SLC to go to RR McNeil......


:D

Yeah, I got a chuckle. Hmmm, kinda of like leaving SLC for leander. ;)

[RRSP1]

2-8 isn't exactly setting the bar too high :D

Well Beanz, here is the bar you need to clear to get the job. This is the posting announcement from the RRISD website. Note, HC experience is only preferred, so you might have a shot at it! :D

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Bachelor's degree in physical education, health or related field, teacher certification and six years of coaching experience of which at least two years is in a supervisory capacity. Provide administrative leadership and direction for athletic programs at the assigned school(s), and coach the high school football team. A minimum of three years head football coaching experience preferred.

Daily Rate: $275.11 - $343.89; Annualized: $62,174 - $77,719

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[LION57]

Yeah, I got a chuckle. Hmmm, kinda of like leaving SLC for leander. ;)
Except we arent looking for a coach!! We already have the best.:);)

[Shamu85]

Well Beanz, here is the bar you need to clear to get the job. This is the posting announcement from the RRISD website. Note, HC experience is only preferred, so you might have a shot at it! :D

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Bachelor's degree in physical education, health or related field, teacher certification and six years of coaching experience of which at least two years is in a supervisory capacity. Provide administrative leadership and direction for athletic programs at the assigned school(s), and coach the high school football team. A minimum of three years head football coaching experience preferred.

Daily Rate: $275.11 - $343.89; Annualized: $62,174 - $77,719

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I thought all the HC's in RRISD made the same amount, something like $93K per year?

[RRSP1]

I thought all the HC's in RRISD made the same amount, something like $93K per year?

Maybe they do now - I don't know. Back in 2005, when the Statesman did it's big statewide survey, the salaries varied from $71,747 at Westwood to $83,968 at SP. Round Rock was at $77,413 and McNeil was at $79,564. For reference, Georgetown was at $81,420 at that time. I suspect all of these 2005 salaries were the total amount paid to the coaches - base teaching pay plus stipends & allowances.

The range listed in the current McNeil job posting tops out at $77,719. I have to assume that this is just a base number for the calendar school days, and some sort of stipend/allowance is added on top to include coaching work, summer activities, etc. Just my assumption, I may be wrong.

Interesting that the new Cedar Ridge position hasn't been posted yet.

[mcneilmav]

I thought all the HC's in RRISD made the same amount, something like $93K per year?

The McNeil job ought to pay at least what the district paid to get Chesser to SP. I believe that was around 84 k. Chesser probably ought to get a raise, if he hasn't already. McNeil is a big school and this is job is f/coach and AD for the school.



HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL
Underpaid or overpaid, coaches' salaries draw varied responses
Reaction to recent salary series divided.
Tuesday, September 19, 2006

Craig Chessher is angry.

At me.

Laura Skelding
2004 AMERICAN-STATESMAN


Stony Point coach Craig Chessher defends his $83,968 annual salary, saying, 'I understand that my salary is going to be under scrutiny, but I am qualified for the position I have.'

He's not the only one. Just the most adamant.

It stems from an article about high school football coaches' salaries.

Chessher is Stony Point's football coach. He spent 20 years earning that job and the $83,968 salary that goes along with it.

The Tigers' coach says that fact — the 20 years — should've been included when he was cited as an example in the American-Statesman's series on high school football coaching salaries, "Fields of Green," published Aug. 27-29.

Of the 100-plus responses to the three-day series, Chessher was the most irritated about the way he was portrayed — as the highest-paid coach in the Round Rock Independent School District, despite having the least amount of head-coaching experience.

Portrayed unfairly, he felt. There was no mention of his six years spent in assistant coaching jobs at Sam Houston State, the University of Louisiana-Lafayette and Catawba College in North Carolina, where he was a defensive coordinator. Nor of his 14 years as defensive coordinator at various high schools throughout the Houston area, including Galena Park North Shore, where he helped win a state championship in 2003.

When Stony Point hired him, Chessher had built a reputation as one of the best defensive coaches in the state. He had turned down numerous coaching opportunities before accepting his role as the Tigers' head coach in 2004.

The story wasn't supposed to be about Chessher. It wasn't supposed to depict him in a negative or positive light.

The story was about how districts decide to pay their respective coaches. While many multischool districts pay their coaches the same amount of money, Round Rock goes by experience. Assistant coaching experience is included and treated as equal to head-coaching experience.

That's why Chessher is the highest-paid.

"I was just upset because I felt it didn't mention the qualifications I did have," Chessher said. "They didn't just pick me up from off the street. I understand that my salary is going to be under scrutiny, but I am qualified for the position I have."

[RRISDFAN]

The McNeil job ought to pay at least what the district paid to get Chesser to SP. I believe that was around 84 k. Chesser probably ought to get a raise, if he hasn't already. McNeil is a big school and this is job is f/coach and AD for the school.



HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL
Underpaid or overpaid, coaches' salaries draw varied responses
Reaction to recent salary series divided.
Tuesday, September 19, 2006

Craig Chessher is angry.

At me.

Laura Skelding
2004 AMERICAN-STATESMAN


Stony Point coach Craig Chessher defends his $83,968 annual salary, saying, 'I understand that my salary is going to be under scrutiny, but I am qualified for the position I have.'

He's not the only one. Just the most adamant.

It stems from an article about high school football coaches' salaries.

Chessher is Stony Point's football coach. He spent 20 years earning that job and the $83,968 salary that goes along with it.

The Tigers' coach says that fact — the 20 years — should've been included when he was cited as an example in the American-Statesman's series on high school football coaching salaries, "Fields of Green," published Aug. 27-29.

Of the 100-plus responses to the three-day series, Chessher was the most irritated about the way he was portrayed — as the highest-paid coach in the Round Rock Independent School District, despite having the least amount of head-coaching experience.

Portrayed unfairly, he felt. There was no mention of his six years spent in assistant coaching jobs at Sam Houston State, the University of Louisiana-Lafayette and Catawba College in North Carolina, where he was a defensive coordinator. Nor of his 14 years as defensive coordinator at various high schools throughout the Houston area, including Galena Park North Shore, where he helped win a state championship in 2003.

When Stony Point hired him, Chessher had built a reputation as one of the best defensive coaches in the state. He had turned down numerous coaching opportunities before accepting his role as the Tigers' head coach in 2004.

The story wasn't supposed to be about Chessher. It wasn't supposed to depict him in a negative or positive light.

The story was about how districts decide to pay their respective coaches. While many multischool districts pay their coaches the same amount of money, Round Rock goes by experience. Assistant coaching experience is included and treated as equal to head-coaching experience.

That's why Chessher is the highest-paid.

"I was just upset because I felt it didn't mention the qualifications I did have," Chessher said. "They didn't just pick me up from off the street. I understand that my salary is going to be under scrutiny, but I am qualified for the position I have."


I think he was right!:D

I hope McNeil and Cedar Ridge find two good coaches. I have heard the Cedar Ridge principle is a very big proponent of getting a top notch coach and is very supportive of the football program.

[Jayhawker]

Hal Wasson leaving SLC to go to RR McNeil......


:D

must be in anticipation of a change at North Texas :eek:

[mcneilmav]

I think he was right!:D

I hope McNeil and Cedar Ridge find two good coaches. I have heard the Cedar Ridge principle is a very big proponent of getting a top notch coach and is very supportive of the football program.

Yeah, story seemed to single Chesser out. No bigger admirer of what he's done at SP than me. This hire will be only the third head football coach the school has had in its 17 year history. Current RRISD AD Jim Loerwald served as the school's first and only ad/head football coach until 2002 when he was promoted and Wilcox was hired. One of two assistant ADs for the district is also a former McNeil football coach. No doubt here due diligence will be exercised.

[techex95]

anyone know of any names that have applied or are being considered? I think someone will be hired in early January.

[Trinity Alum]

must be in anticipation of a change at North Texas :eek:

Mangino is available. :D

[techex95]

Dont be surprised if Todd Dodge ends up at RR cedar ridge.

[mcneilmav]

anyone know of any names that have applied or are being considered? I think someone will be hired in early January.

Job posting closes tomorrow. Probably won't hear anything official until finalists are named. My understanding is that Loerwald will fwd. his 3-5 recommendations to the selection committee headed up by Principal Doty. Loerwald told boosters he was looking at making a hire by mid-Feb. Man, I hope they get this right.

[MHSfootball]

Job posting closes tomorrow. Probably won't hear anything official until finalists are named. My understanding is that Loerwald will fwd. his 3-5 recommendations to the selection committee headed up by Principal Doty. Loerwald told boosters he was looking at making a hire by mid-Feb. Man, I hope they get this right.
Me and you both brother.

[svhorns]

There are rumors that Brad McCoy will leave Graham after this season and move his family down to Austin.

I have no idea how true or how valid those rumors are.

[LeanderLions3033]

There are rumors that Brad McCoy will leave Graham after this season and move his family down to Austin.

I have no idea how true or how valid those rumors are.

Makes sense, but would be crazy if he became a part of our district. I wonder how effectively he would be able to make that jump. Going from 2a to 3a to one of the more competitive 5a districts from top to bottom in the state. I would honestly put our district up against anybody elses and go 1st place team vs 1st place team, 2nd place team vs 2nd place team, 8th place team vs 8th place team etc. And i would expect us to be at or above .500 against any other district.

[RRISDFAN]

Dont be surprised if Todd Dodge ends up at RR cedar ridge.

Hmmm. Not the first time I have heard that rumor.

[mcneilmav]

I like the way this rumor mill is beginning to churn. :D

[svhorns]

I heard Bob Shipley got the job.

[mcneilmav]

I heard Bob Shipley got the job.

I would love to see Shipley back in Centex. Would especially love to see him (and Jaxson) wearing Mavs blue and green next season. Maybe Loerwald can get Coach McCoy to take Cedar Ridge job and the rivalry can continue in a couple of years. Both are quality coaches.

[MHSfootball]

I heard Bob Shipley got the job.
Where did you hear that from?

[mcneilmav]

Where did you hear that from?

Everything at this point is speculation/rumor. Take it with a grain of salt.

[svhorns]

Where did you hear that from?

I have this teddy bear right... and sometimes at night we start conversing.

[svhorns]

Everything at this point is speculation/rumor. Take it with a grain of salt.

I'm offended.

If Bob Shipley is the new head man you owe me a steak dinner or $100 in the mail. PM Me for my address. If I'm wrong I'll sport a Texas A&M avatar for the next month.

[Bruig]

fify


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Bachelor's degree in physical education, health or related field, teacher certification and six years of coaching experience excluding any experience at 3A or lower of which at least two years is in a supervisory capacity. Provide administrative leadership and direction for athletic programs at the assigned school(s), and coach the high school football team. A minimum of three years head football coaching experience preferred with a .750 or above record. Ability to recognize and redesign the ugliest mascot mounted on a trailer.

Daily Rate: $275.11 - $343.89; Annualized: $62,174 - $77,719

**************

[mcneilmav]

I'm offended.

If Bob Shipley is the new head man you owe me a steak dinner or $100 in the mail. PM Me for my address. If I'm wrong I'll sport a Texas A&M avatar for the next month.

I hope you're right. Shipley would be my first choice (see first post in this thread). Steak dinner/100 bucks highly unllikey. A full meal deal could be in your future, however. :D

[Bruig]

I'll bet, if RR McNeil builds a really nice storage shed to put players in, ya'll could land Leach.

[mustang4ever]

Don't hold your breath on Shipley. Stated he left the big city for Brownwood because he likes the smaller towns better.

[mcneilmav]

I'll bet, if RR McNeil builds a really nice storage shed to put players in, ya'll could land Leach.

Great advice. Thanks! :rolleyes:

[mcneilmav]

Don't hold your breath on Shipley. Stated he left the big city for Brownwood because he likes the smaller towns better.

McNeil is smaller than Brownwood. :ninja:

MCNEIL, TEXAS
The number of residents fell to 125 by the 1930s and to seventy by the 1940s; estimates remained at seventy through 2000. McNeil High School was built for the Round Rock district in 1991.
Handbook of Texas Online

[RRSP1]

It sounds like RRISD is getting close to naming the new Cedar Ridge coach. Then, the district will "turn its attention to the vacancy at McNeil High."

Statesman Link (http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/varsitynews/entries/2010/01/04/cedar_ridge_clo.html)

[mcneilmav]

It sounds like RRISD is getting close to naming the new Cedar Ridge coach. Then, the district will "turn its attention to the vacancy at McNeil High."

Statesman Link (http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/varsitynews/entries/2010/01/04/cedar_ridge_clo.html)

Logical since CR job was announced prior to Wilcox leaving. Seems to me CR job is well suited for a new HC stepping up from a DC/OC position. McNeil, on the other hand should get an experienced guy looking to step in and right the ship so to speak. Mavs have talent in the pipeline. Whoever takes these jobs better be ready becasue this district will cut the newbies little slack.

[mcneilmav]

must be in anticipation of a change at North Texas :eek:

Man, you called that one. :D

[RRISDFAN]

Has anyone heard anything? I figured it would have been filled by now.

[MHSfootball]

Has anyone heard anything? I figured it would have been filled by now.
Will know probably Wednsday.

[mcneilmav]

Really wasn't expecting anything until Feb.

[MHSfootball]

Really wasn't expecting anything until Feb.
coach said today that were gonna know this week or the next he said mroe then likely we'll know on wed.

[mcneilmav]

According to the 4A site Mavs will have Lee Penland of 4A Hutto as their new AD/HC. According to post he officially resigned today.

[mcneilmav]

Today's Hutto News


Penland steps down

By Mike Craven
Tuesday, January 26, 2010 4:49 PM CST

Lee Penland, head football coach and athletic director for Hutto High School, has accepted the same job at Round Rock McNeil High School. Penland will move to his new position at the end of next week. The search for a new head coach is in the early stages and no official at the school has been available for contact.

[Shamu85]

Today's Hutto News


Penland steps down

By Mike Craven
Tuesday, January 26, 2010 4:49 PM CST

Lee Penland, head football coach and athletic director for Hutto High School, has accepted the same job at Round Rock McNeil High School. Penland will move to his new position at the end of next week. The search for a new head coach is in the early stages and no official at the school has been available for contact.

Sounds like a pretty good hire.

[MHSfootball]

Yes, he seemed very excited about being at Mcneil.

[RRSP1]

Several comments on the Statesman's website are rather unflattering about this hire. I wonder if that is an honest reflection of how folks within McNeil feel (or the usual disgruntled few who didn't get playing time).

[mcneilmav]

Several comments on the Statesman's website are rather unflattering about this hire. I wonder if that is an honest reflection of how folks within McNeil feel (or the usual disgruntled few who didn't get playing time).

The McNeil football community has been frustrated with the direction of the program. Hopefully Coach Penland can change that. There were 66 applicants and 4 finalists. Would be nice to know who they were. But Penland is it and he deserves every chance to succeed. I think his record at Hutto is somewhat misleading as the school played at three different classification levels while he was the AD/HC there--each time moving up. He will have atheletes to work with. Let's see what he can do. I hearing good things about the man.

[RRSP1]

The McNeil football community has been frustrated with the direction of the program. Hopefully Coach Penland can change that. There were 66 applicants and 4 finalists. Would be nice to know who they were. But Penland is it and he deserves every chance to succeed. I think his record at Hutto is somewhat misleading as the school played at three different classification levels while he was the AD/HC there--each time moving up. He will have atheletes to work with. Let's see what he can do. I hearing good things about the man.

I bet Coach Penland will do a good job. An energized McNeil program should be much improved this fall, then could be standing very near the top of the district in 2011. 2011 is when SP really feels the effects of the split with CR, yet CR itself won't be a factor for another few years.

I remember last year when Coach Raymond left SP and accepted the HC/AD job at McCallum. Some McCallum "fans" posted some unkind comments about that hire. Well... I would think McCallum is pretty happy now.

[Point Made...]

I bet Coach Penland will do a good job. An energized McNeil program should be much improved this fall, then could be standing very near the top of the district in 2011. 2011 is when SP really feels the effects of the split with CR, yet CR itself won't be a factor for another few years.

I remember last year when Coach Raymond left SP and accepted the HC/AD job at McCallum. Some McCallum "fans" posted some unkind comments about that hire. Well... I would think McCallum is pretty happy now.


Apparently they didn't follow what had been happening at Stony Point during that time...;)

[Shamu85]

I feel pretty confident McNeil fans will end up being pretty happy with coach Penland. He has done some pretty good things at Hutto, all while managing their growth to 4A as AD.

[bowiedawgs01]

I believe Penland was an assistant at Bowie about 10 years back. He came to some practices last year, I was told, to check out Bowie's 3-3-5 defense.

[MHSfootball]

I believe Penland was an assistant at Bowie about 10 years back. He came to some practices last year, I was told, to check out Bowie's 3-3-5 defense.
I actually heard that story he went to look because he didn't have the personel to run their normal defense, so he scouted out that D and ran it.

[bowiedawgs01]

It's supposed to be better against the pass than the run. Maybe he wanted to try it vs. Lake Travis?

[mcneilmav]

It's supposed to be better against the pass than the run. Maybe he wanted to try it vs. Lake Travis?

Mavs definitely struggled mightly against teams that could throw the ball. Big plays killed the team last season.