John Tyler (11-1) Vs. Klein Collins (12-0)

[CuJo iS BaCk]

John Tyler (11-1) had its best offensive night of the season against Lake Highlands with 598 yards of total offense, but it's worst defensive night, giving up 405 yards of offense in a 53-46 win. Klein Collins (12-0) defeated Leander 28-17 and has yet to give up more than 21 points the entire season. A great offense battles a great defense!!! The game is set to be played at Waco ISD stadium Saturday November 28 at 2:00 PM
Thoughts? Predictions?

[CCDawgs]

Should be a good one! I think Collins will need to outscore JT! JTs offense is just too powerful to stop every possession. Should be a dandy though and I will be in attendance!

[CuJo iS BaCk]

Should be a good one! I think Collins will need to outscore JT! JTs offense is just too powerful to stop every possession. Should be a dandy though and I will be in attendance!

Do I need to bring the XL CUJO shirt?!?

[CCDawgs]

Do I need to bring the XL CUJO shirt?!?

Save it man. For San Antonio. :rolleyes:

[CuJo iS BaCk]

Save it man. For San Antonio. :rolleyes:

giving up 46 points in the playoffs, I don't know just yet...

[SleeperG]

No smack.

This is going to be a real challenge for KC. It's uncharted waters for KC against a team with a rich tradition and history, and an obvious ability to put points on the board. KC's shutdown defense has come through for them at critical times. Now the offense is really going to have to step up as well.

As to my earlier question on the JT/LH thread, who is home and visitor?

We now return you to your regularly scheduled smack.

GO TIGERS!!

[CuJo iS BaCk]

No smack.

This is going to be a real challenge for KC. It's uncharted waters for KC against a team with a rich tradition and history, and an obvious ability to put points on the board. KC's shutdown defense has come through for them at critical times. Now the offense is really going to have to step up as well.

As to my earlier question on the JT/LH thread, who is home and visitor?

We now return you to your regularly scheduled smack.

GO TIGERS!!

Still no word on that as far as I know...

[forest99]

here is my take on this one.....i dont see klein collins giving up more than 24 points in this game, which would be their season high. so the question is can they put up around 21-24+ points and if they do they win, if not they lose. the way john tyler was giving up yards and points last night i see klein collins winning this one 28-21. very tight game and the winner most i say in the state semi-finals.

[CuJo iS BaCk]

here is my take on this one.....i dont see klein collins giving up more than 24 points in this game, which would be their season high. so the question is can they put up around 21-24+ points and if they do they win, if not they lose. the way john tyler was giving up yards and points last night i see klein collins winning this one 28-21. very tight game and the winner most i say in the state semi-finals.

wow......
Klein has seen nothing like this team, they haven't played a ranked team all season and the and the majority of the teams they have played are .500 or worse.... JT puts up at least 40 in this one, and depending on what kind of night J. Johnson has, ..... well we'll just have to wait and see i guess

[LeanderLions3033]

here is my take on this one.....i dont see klein collins giving up more than 24 points in this game, which would be their season high. so the question is can they put up around 21-24+ points and if they do they win, if not they lose. the way john tyler was giving up yards and points last night i see klein collins winning this one 28-21. very tight game and the winner most i say in the state semi-finals.

I do. If KC's d plays like they did against Leander then they probably will. Cujos offense is better than Leanders by far and we had roughly 325 yards of total offense.

[SleeperG]

wow......
Klein has seen nothing like this team, they haven't played a ranked team all season and the and the majority of the teams they have played are .500 or worse.... JT puts up at least 40 in this one, and depending on what kind of night J. Johnson has, ..... well we'll just have to wait and see i guess
And JT has played four teams with a .500 record or less . . . and a 4A team? You are right about no ranked opponent. However, I have to say that running the gauntlet of 13-5A is no small feat, as it is one of the toughest in the state (at least we didn't send a 1-4 district record team to the playoffs).

Yes, KC's D gave up more yards to Leander than one would expect. But two redzone shutdowns and no points in the second half more than made up for the yards. Offense will have to do better. Should be interesting.

GO TIGERS!!

[CuJo iS BaCk]

I do. If KC's d plays like they did against Leander then they probably will. Cujos offense is better than Leanders by far and we had roughly 325 yards of total offense.

Lake Highlands had one of the best defenses in the DFW and JT put up 598 yards on them last night... should be a good one!!!

[corycone33]

Should be a good one! I think Collins will need to outscore JT! JTs offense is just too powerful to stop every possession. Should be a dandy though and I will be in attendance!


slowly move your lips away from JT'S ***. You have been all over their jock since you got spanked by them. Ease up:eek:

[CuJo iS BaCk]

And JT has played four teams with a .500 record or less . . . and a 4A team? You are right about no ranked opponent. However, I have to say that running the gauntlet of 13-5A is no small feat, as it is one of the toughest in the state (at least we didn't send a 1-4 district record team to the playoffs).

Yes, KC's D gave up more yards to Leander than one would expect. But two redzone shutdowns and no points in the second half more than made up for the yards. Offense will have to do better. Should be interesting.

GO TIGERS!!

JT, Lee, or Desoto would have all went undefeated in that district, and Mesquite Horn was undefeated and 17th in the state until they started district... and i dont know what makes it a "gauntlet"... maybe because all of the teams were pretty evenly matched, but not because they are "The Best"
time will tell

[CCDawgs]

slowly move your lips away from JT'S ***. You have been all over their jock since you got spanked by them. Ease up:eek:

Same way you were all over Coves nuts all season? I think they call that a man-crush.

[LeanderLions3033]

And JT has played four teams with a .500 record or less . . . and a 4A team? You are right about no ranked opponent. However, I have to say that running the gauntlet of 13-5A is no small feat, as it is one of the toughest in the state (at least we didn't send a 1-4 district record team to the playoffs).

Yes, KC's D gave up more yards to Leander than one would expect. But two redzone shutdowns and no points in the second half more than made up for the yards. Offense will have to do better. Should be interesting.

GO TIGERS!!

I dont wanna come off like im disrespecting KC, you guys made the plays when you had to. I just wouldve liked to have seen what it would have been like if it wasnt raining, because Gideon had no confidence in our special teams in the rain. Those were key 4th down stops, but i dont even think we go for it if it isnt raining because Rocky Nino De Guzman had been one of the most consistent kickers in the district.

[Football4life]

JT, Lee, or Desoto would have all went undefeated in that district, and Mesquite Horn was undefeated and 17th in the state until they started district... and i dont know what makes it a "gauntlet"... maybe because all of the teams were pretty evenly matched, but not because they are "The Best"
time will tell

The same horn team that lost in the first round of the playoffs?

We are talking about the the KC team that beat KF... The team that the Woodz all but lost to it the Kicker makes a extra point, KC held that team to 1 First down in the 2nd half :eek:

KC hasn't beat a ranked team correct... They have beat a WF team they went out 2nd round heartbreaker and a Klein team that is still in, and KF

On the same note that KC hasn't play a team like John Tyler this year I would say John Tyler hasn't played a team like KC this year either!

[anonymousfan1]

Defense wins championships, just remember that. The D played horrible in the first half, which is where most of the yards came from, but regardless of how many yards KC gave up they still held Leander to 17 points.

Does TJT play any defense?

[CuJo iS BaCk]

The same horn team that lost in the first round of the playoffs?

We are talking about the the KC team that beat KF... The team that the Woodz all but lost to it the Kicker makes a extra point, KC held that team to 1 First down in the 2nd half :eek:

KC hasn't beat a ranked team correct... They have beat a WF team they went out 2nd round heartbreaker and a Klein team that is still in, and KF

On the same note that KC hasn't play a team like John Tyler this year I would say John Tyler hasn't played a team like KC this year either!

1. So your argument is that the 4th place team lost in the first round? :rolleyes:
2. So Klein Collins beat somebody that almost beat somebody? :rolleyes:
3. so they beat a team that lost in the second round? :rolleyes: I Give Klein their props tho
4. Granted this will probably best defensive team that they have played all year, but the offense is rolling right now... I still don't see Collins holding them under 40

[SleeperG]

I dont wanna come off like im disrespecting KC, you guys made the plays when you had to. I just wouldve liked to have seen what it would have been like if it wasnt raining, because Gideon had no confidence in our special teams in the rain. Those were key 4th down stops, but i dont even think we go for it if it isnt raining because Rocky Nino De Guzman had been one of the most consistent kickers in the district.
Maybe yes, maybe no. It was a tough game. If Leander had made two, make that 3 FGs, it still would have lost. While the KC defense had some lapses, it did what it needed to - keep Leander off the scoreboard in the second half. And yes, Leander gained the most yards the KC defense has given up. With the same result as the 11 prior games: Opponent held to < 21pts and a W.

Offense will definitely have to do better!

GO TIGERS!!

[jimmycrackcorn]

1. So your argument is that the 4th place team lost in the first round? :rolleyes:
2. So Klein Collins beat somebody that almost beat somebody? :rolleyes:
3. so they beat a team that lost in the second round? :rolleyes: I Give Klein their props tho
4. Granted this will probably best defensive team that they have played all year, but the offense is rolling right now... I still don't see Collins holding them under 40

40? I think your getting a little ahead of yourself there, considering 21 is the most Collins has given up all year and the 21 wasn't scored until overtime.

[anonymousfan1]

The offense is fine. Scoring 28 points is fine as long as it is more than your opponent. Scoring 3 points would be fine if it is more than your opponent. The KC offense does what it needs to do to stay ahead of the opponent every week which = 12-0..

[CuJo iS BaCk]

Defense wins championships, just remember that. The D played horrible in the first half, which is where most of the yards came from, but regardless of how many yards KC gave up they still held Leander to 17 points.

Does TJT play any defense?

besides the Desoto and Lake Highlands games, the defense has been pretty decent.. they really don't tackle well IMO though...

[jimmycrackcorn]

besides the Desoto and Lake Highlands games, the defense has been pretty decent.. they really don't tackle well IMO though...

This could be a problem against KC. Jamichael Rozier is one of the hardest runners i have seen. He ran over atleast 5 people last night. He just refused to go down. ANd the qb Hume ran through arm tackles all night. they rushed for 270 yards combined last night.

[CuJo iS BaCk]

40? I think your getting a little ahead of yourself there, considering 21 is the most Collins has given up all year and the 21 wasn't scored until overtime.

JT has only been held below 27 points once all season... and they average about 45 ppg.... somethings gotta give!!

[LeanderLions3033]

Maybe yes, maybe no. It was a tough game. If Leander had made two, make that 3 FGs, it still would have lost. While the KC defense had some lapses, it did what it needed to - keep Leander off the scoreboard in the second half. And yes, Leander gained the most yards the KC defense has given up. With the same result as the 11 prior games: Opponent held to < 21pts and a W.

Offense will definitely have to do better!

GO TIGERS!!

The two field goals still would have put us up 23-21. I understand you guys scored a td later in the game, but it would have changed the entire complexion of the game. Excuse me while i remain bitter that our season is over ;). Great game, I will be rooting for you guys the rest of the way.

[CuJo iS BaCk]

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This could be a problem against KC. Jamichael Rozier is one of the hardest runners i have seen. He ran over atleast 5 people last night. He just refused to go down. ANd the qb Hume ran through arm tackles all night. they rushed for 270 yards combined last night.
Well... JT rushed for 426 yards last night... and 598 total....
thats how eveybody runs in east texas... we have 2 backs that do the same thing... not including the QB who rushed for 236 yards last night.

[jimmycrackcorn]

Well... JT rushed for 426 yards last night... and 598 total....
thats how eveybody runs in east texas... we have 2 backs that do the same thing... not including the QB who rushed for 236 yards last night.

I'm pretty sure EVERYBODY does not run that way. I'm not denying that ya'll have a great offense. I was just talking about the fact that you do not tackle well. And eventually you won't be able to just outscore people, defense has to come to play sometime, and if they don't this weekend i think ya'll will be sent home packing.

[SHBR]

The two field goals still would have put us up 23-21. I understand you guys scored a td later in the game, but it would have changed the entire complexion of the game. Excuse me while i remain bitter that our season is over ;). Great game, I will be rooting for you guys the rest of the way.

You got to hand it to those Leander boys, they played a hell of a game! Colllins D pulled it together in the second half and came up big. The Collins O-line played a great game as well, considering how good the Leanders D-line was!

[JAD59]

I do. If KC's d plays like they did against Leander then they probably will. Cujos offense is better than Leanders by far and we had roughly 325 yards of total offense.

This was by far KC' s worst ame onboth sides of the ball in 10 games. The coaches were very upset about the number of mistakes. i don't see KC playing that bad versus JT.

[jimmycrackcorn]

Everybody knows to go deep into the playoffs you have to be able to win that one game where you play below average. This was that game. All season KC prided themselves on great D and a ball control offense that didn't make mistakes. Last night none of that happened especially in the first half. But we still got out of there with a W and the defense really stepped up in the 2nd half. I think we'll be ready for TJT in Waco and won't have the mistakes we had last night.

[JT8199]

The same horn team that lost in the first round of the playoffs?

We are talking about the the KC team that beat KF... The team that the Woodz all but lost to it the Kicker makes a extra point, KC held that team to 1 First down in the 2nd half :eek:

KC hasn't beat a ranked team correct... They have beat a WF team they went out 2nd round heartbreaker and a Klein team that is still in, and KF

On the same note that KC hasn't play a team like John Tyler this year I would say John Tyler hasn't played a team like KC this year either!

Desoto is 10x better than any team yall played including KC. Yeah u right John Tyler hasn't played a team like KC they have played better.

[jimmycrackcorn]

Desoto is 10x better than any team yall played including KC. Yeah u right John Tyler hasn't played a team like KC they have played better.

ANd your basis for saying this is what exactly? We are the underdogs yes but honestly you have no idea how good KC really is. Just be prepared for Saturday. Teams don't go 12-0 for no reason.

[JT8199]

ANd your basis for saying this is what exactly? We are the underdogs yes but honestly you have no idea how good KC really is. Just be prepared for Saturday. Teams don't go 12-0 for no reason.

They do when u play a weak alot of weak teams

[CO99JTHS]

Bottom line...This JT team gets off the bus with 21 points. 40 seems like a gimme. Not bragging, just saying. I don't doubt the KC defense at all. Not for one bit. But if you guys think you will win this game without at least 35-40 points, YOU ARE DREAMING!!! I beg to differ that we can't just outscore teams. We just won 53-46. The JT D is good enough. Don't be fooled. The last 2 weeks we ran into buzzsaws...Desoto and LH's Zorn/Rollins. Does KC have those types of "skill players"? Afterall, we won last night with defense.

Desoto gets 40 on just about anyone in besides Lake Highlands whom against they only got 13. We dropped 53 on that same LH team and did it rather easily, with 1 punt!!! The key is J. Johnson. You all could very well be facing the 5A Player of the Year this week.

At the end of this game, just make sure we aren't the ones asking you all, "Does KC play any defense?" lol. Cause that could very well be the case. If its a D that can hold this JT offense to 21 right now, I'll sure be honored to have witnessed it because it will have played nothing short of dynamite IMO.

[jimmycrackcorn]

They do when u play a weak alot of weak teams


This doesn't make sense but i understood what ur trying to say. So you are calling Klein Forest, Westfield, Klein Oak (ranked in top 5 at beginning of year), Klein (who is still playing) weak? Our whole district is strong. You can look at records but they don't tell the whole story, probably not even half the story, and i'll guarantee this is what you are basing this off of. So come up with something better than records to base your opinions off of.

[jimmycrackcorn]

Does KC have those types of "skill players"? Afterall, we won last night with defense.



Like i've said i don't doubt that ya'll have a great offense. And i won't name names but i think we have a few skill position players that could match up with yours.

[JT8199]

Bottom line...This JT team gets off the bus with 21 points. 40 seems like a gimme. Not bragging, just saying. I don't doubt the KC defense at all. Not for one bit. But if you guys think you will win this game without at least 35-40 points, YOU ARE DREAMING!!! I beg to differ that we can't just outscore teams. We just won 53-46. The JT D is good enough. Don't be fooled. The last 2 weeks we ran into buzzsaws...Desoto and LH's Zorn/Rollins. Does KC have those types of "skill players"? Afterall, we won last night with defense.

Desoto gets 40 on just about anyone in besides Lake Highlands whom against they only got 13. We dropped 53 on that same LH team and did it rather easily, with 1 punt!!! The key is J. Johnson. You all could very well be facing the 5A Player of the Year this week.

At the end of this game, just make sure we aren't the ones asking you all, "Does KC play any defense?" lol. Cause that could very well be the case. If its a D that can hold this JT offense to 21 right now, I'll sure be honored to have witnessed it because it will have played nothing short of dynamite IMO.

Preach I think jus caught da CUJO ghost

[CO99JTHS]

This looks like its going to be a fun week!! We didn't have very many LH fans to battle with last week...but this thread is off to a classic start...I sense the venom :D

Cuuuuuujjjoooooooo Cuuuujjjoooooooo

[Favpack]

Voted for JT, but they're gonna have to play better to get past KC. At the end of the day, I think Cujo will prove they can score 35-40 against just about anyone other than Lee.

[SleeperG]

Desoto is 10x better than any team yall played including KC. Yeah u right John Tyler hasn't played a team like KC they have played better.
You know, we don't care how good you think DeSoto is, or what you think of whom KC has played. The only issue is what happens next Saturday.

KC has most probably never run up against an offense like JT and it will be a challenge. KC fans aren't the only ones to say this: KC has a shutdown defense that makes stops and keeps points off the board when it has to. Can JT?

[jimmycrackcorn]

I honestly don't think the TJT offense will be much better than the KF offense...

[JT8199]

This doesn't make sense but i understood what ur trying to say. So you are calling Klein Forest, Westfield, Klein Oak (ranked in top 5 at beginning of year), Klein (who is still playing) weak? Our whole district is strong. You can look at records but they don't tell the whole story, probably not even half the story, and i'll guarantee this is what you are basing this off of. So come up with something better than records to base your opinions off of.

U name 2 teams out 12. U say don't look at records what else am I suppose 2 look at. Put it 2 u like dis u play our schedule u lose 2 to 4 games, we play yall schedule we R 12-0 avg. 60pts a game.

[CO99JTHS]

You know, we don't care how good you think DeSoto is, or what you think of whom KC has played. The only issue is what happens next Saturday.

KC has most probably never run up against an offense like JT and it will be a challenge. KC fans aren't the only ones to say this: KC has a shutdown defense that makes stops and keeps points off the board when it has to. Can JT?

JT fans aren't the only ones to say this: JT has a lights out offense that gains yards and scores points with ridiculous ease. Can KC? LOL...

[CO99JTHS]

I see ya JT8199...get cha post weight up baby!!! lol.

[JAD59]

U name 2 teams out 12. U say don't look at records what else am I suppose 2 look at. Put it 2 u like dis u play our schedule u lose 2 to 4 games, we play yall schedule we R 12-0 avg. 60pts a game.


Your making yourself look stupid by saying this considering you havent seen any of the teams in this district play. KC fans are not doubtin you guys are good we know that. but to think its going to be a cakewalk like some of you think, you will be in for a surprise saturday. I GARUNTEE you that JT hasnt played a defense that hits as hard as KC's though.

[JT8199]

I see ya JT8199...get cha post weight up baby!!! lol.

Is dis tray

[SleeperG]

JT fans aren't the only ones to say this: JT has a lights out offense that gains yards and scores points with ridiculous ease. Can KC? LOL...
The KC offense doesn't need to gain an enormous number of yards or score in the high 50s. It just needs to score enough to take JT down.

[Favpack]

I honestly don't think the TJT offense will be much better than the KF offense...

Haha - that's funny stuff right there. Hey - ya'll are still playing - talk smack all you want - but you're gonna be in for a rude awakening in terms of Cujo's O.

[CO99JTHS]

Your making yourself look stupid by saying this considering you havent seen any of the teams in this district play. KC fans are not doubtin you guys are good we know that. but to think its going to be a cakewalk like some of you think, you will be in for a surprise saturday. I GARUNTEE you that JT hasnt played a defense that hits as hard as KC's though.

^^^^this...No, no. Don't take shots at someone's intelligence, when you yourself...ummm...nevermind.

[jimmycrackcorn]

Your making yourself look stupid by saying this considering you havent seen any of the teams in this district play. KC fans are not doubtin you guys are good we know that. but to think its going to be a cakewalk like some of you think, you will be in for a surprise saturday. I GARUNTEE you that JT hasnt played a defense that hits as hard as KC's though.

He's making himself look stupid just by how he's posting.

[CO99JTHS]

The KC offense doesn't need to gain an enormous number of yards or score in the high 50s. It just needs to score enough to take JT down.

But the law of averages say (well not really)... it'll take an enormous number of yards and at least 44 points to take us down. Keep in mind we won games giving up 40+ points twice.

Meaning to beat us, you'll need at least 40. We could beat you all with 28. Is that a fair assessment? But averages are funny.

[JT8199]

Your making yourself look stupid by saying this considering you havent seen any of the teams in this district play. KC fans are not doubtin you guys are good we know that. but to think its going to be a cakewalk like some of you think, you will be in for a surprise saturday. I GARUNTEE you that JT hasnt played a defense that hits as hard as KC's though.

Dis is East Texas homeboy we have seen a defense hit harder in pop warner. I know yall haven't seen speed and power like us. After dis game yall going live in a ice tub.

[jimmycrackcorn]

Dis is East Texas homeboy we have seen a defense hit harder in pop warner. I know yall haven't seen speed and power like us. After dis game yall going live in a ice tub.

You keep talking but we have atleast 5 d 1 talent guys on our D and they can all lay the wood. Just be prepared to hear that leather pop.

[jimmycrackcorn]

Dis is East Texas homeboy we have seen a defense hit harder in pop warner. I know yall haven't seen speed and power like us. After dis game yall going live in a ice tub.

And how would you know considering you have never seen KC play, you really aren't very smart and your not making it any better for yourself by how you post. :rolleyes:

[CO99JTHS]

All foolish bravado aside....11-1 vs 12-0...Our strength vs. Your strength. It should be great game. I'm just hoping we show up interested in the first half because KC sounds like a team you don't want to fall behind (which we have a tendency to do). Ball control and a good defense if definitely the formula to beating JT. A shootout is more up our alley, but ball control/great defense is what gave us our 1 loss. Beware though, JT's defense is not as suspect as one would think. They've showed glimpses of being a dominant unit at times. Last night was a war!! I really want to know about the casualties we suffered.

[SHBR]

So when it comes to TJT's O who are the main threats?

[JAD59]

All foolish bravado aside....11-1 vs 12-0...Our strength vs. Your strength. It should be great game. I'm just hoping we show up interested in the first half because KC sounds like a team you don't want to fall behind (which we have a tendency to do). Ball control and a good defense if definitely the formula to beating JT. A shootout is more up our alley, but ball control/great defense is what gave us our 1 loss. Beware though, JT's defense is not as suspect as one would think. They've showed glimpses of being a dominant unit at times. Last night was a war!! I really want to know about the casualties we suffered.
This is what makes the game most interesting to me. KC's problems will come if it does become a shootout. JT's Problems will come if KC can keep up there great D and ball control offense. Coaching may come into factor to KC has a GREAT coaching staff. How good are the coaches at JT?

[CO99JTHS]

I'm really not sure about the coaching aspect at JT. Still a really young head coach. I'm a go out on a limb and say JT'S success this season is more about the "Jimmy's and Joe's" and not the "x's and o's". Not discrediting the coaching staff at all, but "WE, the people of the forum" could probably coach this team and come up with a pretty good record. I will say this about the staff though, they are aggressive..well except the Lee game, which we lost, where we thought our rival would just lay down and play dead for us even after spotting them 21 points...:rolleyes:

[CuJo iS BaCk]

So when it comes to TJT's O who are the main threats?

QB... less than 300 yards from being the all time leading rusher at JT....
2 running backs who average over 5 yards a pop... the starter rushed for over 130 yards last night.. .the other rushed for 95... also have a wide receiver who has over 1000 yards.

[CO99JTHS]

So when it comes to TJT's O who are the main threats?

It starts with the head of the beast..QB J. Johnson. I'm thinking he's probably the most explosive offensive player in 5A this season. He's surrounded by 2 big-time tailbacks, and 2 wr's that would give any team fits. It's really just pick your poison. The ability to run with the backs, a qb that threatens the d from every angle, and wr's that threaten teams deep = points by the ton. The wr's are better than most and stats do lie because they are both capable of being big-time wr's on the next level. When he's rolling, this is a machine. We've proven we can win when teams take Johnson away and that was big.

Key players on KC'S D?? and don't give me that generic " no superstars, they just play well together as a unit" crap...well, no :Censor: .. lol. you're 12-0!!

[CO99JTHS]

Well I guess I could be a good Tylerite and at least turn my radio on to listen to Lee... or not lol... JK...I want a district sweep this weekend. :Music

[CuJo iS BaCk]

Well I guess I could be a good Tylerite and at least turn my radio on to listen to Lee... or not lol... JK...I want a district sweep this weekend. :Music

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Lee is up 23-17!!!! GO 11-5A

[anonymousfan1]

It starts with the head of the beast..QB J. Johnson. I'm thinking he's probably the most explosive offensive player in 5A this season. He's surrounded by 2 big-time tailbacks, and 2 wr's that would give any team fits. It's really just pick your poison. The ability to run with the backs, a qb that threatens the d from every angle, and wr's that threaten teams deep = points by the ton. The wr's are better than most and stats do lie because they are both capable of being big-time wr's on the next level. When he's rolling, this is a machine. We've proven we can win when teams take Johnson away and that was big.

Key players on KC'S D?? and don't give me that generic " no superstars, they just play well together as a unit" crap...well, no :Censor: .. lol. you're 12-0!!

Charles Jackson and Xavier Allison are the 2 corners and both are excellent. Jordan Jones is a 3 year starter at safety, David Santos is an inside linebacker that will be abig time recruit next year, Sam Shaw an outside linebacker that runs sub 4.5 and our entire d line. Yepp that pretty much sums it up, Oh yeah and a stud sophmore that plays the other safety position.

[smw358]

It starts with the head of the beast..QB J. Johnson. I'm thinking he's probably the most explosive offensive player in 5A this season. He's surrounded by 2 big-time tailbacks, and 2 wr's that would give any team fits. It's really just pick your poison. The ability to run with the backs, a qb that threatens the d from every angle, and wr's that threaten teams deep = points by the ton. The wr's are better than most and stats do lie because they are both capable of being big-time wr's on the next level. When he's rolling, this is a machine. We've proven we can win when teams take Johnson away and that was big.

Key players on KC'S D?? and don't give me that generic " no superstars, they just play well together as a unit" crap...well, no :Censor: .. lol. you're 12-0!!


Key players?..........pick one.....they are all good.

[CO99JTHS]

Charles Jackson and Xavier Allison are the 2 corners and both are excellent. Jordan Jones is a 3 year starter at safety, David Santos is an inside linebacker that will be abig time recruit next year, Sam Shaw an outside linebacker that runs sub 4.5 and our entire d line. Yepp that pretty much sums it up, Oh yeah and a stud sophmore that plays the other safety position.

You forgot one linebacker. Is he the weakest link? THEN HE SHALL BE EXPLOITED!!! :D .. caps lock means I'm REALLY serious lol.

[PackAttack2005]

Don't underestimate any of these Klein teams from 13-5A. That district is tough and battle tested, JT do not let records from that district fool you.

Take it from someone who has witnessed how they play the last few years. These guys are a different animal all together, so this is going to be a very intense battle. Klein Collins has several Division I players scattered around their defense and offense. They are physical and very well coached. I am picking this game as EVEN.

[anonymousfan1]

You forgot one linebacker. Is he the weakest link? THEN HE SHALL BE EXPLOITED!!! :D .. caps lock means I'm REALLY serious lol.

Oh did i? thats matt dapra, he has somewhere around 80 tackles this year, and David has about 100.

[g_quedog]

Bottom line...This JT team gets off the bus with 21 points. 40 seems like a gimme. Not bragging, just saying. I don't doubt the KC defense at all. Not for one bit. But if you guys think you will win this game without at least 35-40 points, YOU ARE DREAMING!!! I beg to differ that we can't just outscore teams. We just won 53-46. The JT D is good enough. Don't be fooled. The last 2 weeks we ran into buzzsaws...Desoto and LH's Zorn/Rollins. Does KC have those types of "skill players"? Afterall, we won last night with defense.

Desoto gets 40 on just about anyone in besides Lake Highlands whom against they only got 13. We dropped 53 on that same LH team and did it rather easily, with 1 punt!!! The key is J. Johnson. You all could very well be facing the 5A Player of the Year this week.

At the end of this game, just make sure we aren't the ones asking you all, "Does KC play any defense?" lol. Cause that could very well be the case. If its a D that can hold this JT offense to 21 right now, I'll sure be honored to have witnessed it because it will have played nothing short of dynamite IMO.

:notworthy:notworthy

[g_quedog]

Your making yourself look stupid by saying this considering you havent seen any of the teams in this district play. KC fans are not doubtin you guys are good we know that. but to think its going to be a cakewalk like some of you think, you will be in for a surprise saturday. I GARUNTEE you that JT hasnt played a defense that hits as hard as KC's though.

You can't be serious with that statement!!!:eek:

[jimmycrackcorn]

You can't be serious with that statement!!!:eek:

You name one that puts up numbers like ours.

[CO99JTHS]

It'll be a war then because our tailbacks definitely don't shy away from contact.

[CO99JTHS]

You name one that puts up numbers like ours.

You do the same.

[jimmycrackcorn]

You do the same.

Klein Forest puts up 40.9 points a game, just 2 below ya'll

[g_quedog]

1st of all District 11-5A is representing right now w' TJT & TLee winning in week 2. I can't wait to see Desoto beat up on Skyline!!!

2nd, JT will be the visiting team this weekend in WaCo but that really doesn't matter b'c the entire Nawf Side of Tyler will be in the house!!! I assume that ALL of Tyler will be in WaCo since TLee is playing Klein right after JT beats up on Collins.

3rd, this is Thanksgiving Break for both teams so there will be no distractions during the school week either team could succumb to but their may be distractions within the community on both sides of the coin!!! So whomever can stay disciplined in practice, the weightroom, and stay outta the streets will have the edge.

4th, JT's Offense can score in 1 play by relying on their QB's legs or his arm. They also can punish you with their 2 headed monster of a backfield, that to me is still underrated. 7 a pop is an understatement when they are clicking on all cylinders. I've seen them turn something out of nothing too many times and take a normal zone for 12 & 15 a pop. Both backs have great balance and explosion. Arm tacklers as well as one on one tacklers don't stand a chance.

5th, from reading several post in here it sounds like K.Collins relies heavily on their Defense to stay in and win games. While JT's TEAM balance of explosive OFFENSE and Smothering bend but don't break Def is what you need to sustain the peaks & valleys of the playoffs. Klein sounds like a 2nd half team,...I wouldn't trust those odds verse this JT squad b'c if you try and come out to play one 1/2 of football verses the "NASCAR OFFENSE" you'll be headin' up I-45 by the middle of the 3rd quarter!!!

6th, a buddy of mine in the Houston area told me K.Collins runs a power option; Georgia Tech clock control style offense. Hmmmmmm,...interesting!!! Good luck w' that!!! :confused:
The worse thing you can do is let JT's defense line up against you and bring heat!!!! They dayummmm near sawed that QB from Lake Highlands in 1/2 last night!!!

See y'all at 2:00pm in WaCo, TX!!!

[g_quedog]

You name one that puts up numbers like ours.

How about 3!!!

1. John Tyler
2. Desoto
3. Lee

[g_quedog]

You do the same.

Say maneeeee, the North Houston area cats don't get it!!! This JT team refuses to lose. Plus, they're messing w' double headed unsheathed swords right now that are search for more opponents to cut down!!! Especially the teams w' "ALL THESE D 1 COMMITS"!!!
I believe Desoto has 13 ranging from LSU to UT and they were cut down to size!!!
JT is ready for a barnburner, anyday, anytime,....just like last night vs Lake Highlands. There were 99 points scored and over 1,000 yards of Offense!!! JUST OFFENSE!!!
Come on nowwwwww people,...is K.Collins really ready for that,...I KNOW JT IS!!!:cool:

[jimmycrackcorn]

Say maneeeee, the North Houston area cats don't get it!!! This JT team refuses to lose. Plus, they're messing w' double headed unsheathed swords right now that are search for more opponents to cut down!!! Especially the teams w' "ALL THESE D 1 COMMITS"!!!
I believe Desoto has 13 ranging from LSU to UT and they were cut down to size!!!
JT is ready for a barnburner, anyday, anytime,....just like last night vs Lake Highlands. There were 99 points scored and over 1,000 yards of Offense!!! JUST OFFENSE!!!
Come on nowwwwww people,...is K.Collins really ready for that,...I KNOW JT IS!!!:cool:

Hmmm... Haven't yall lost? You see Collins hasn't.

[jimmycrackcorn]

How about 3!!!

1. John Tyler
2. Desoto
3. Lee

I hope your talking about the defense, and if you are i highly doubt that you Desoto and Tyler Lee give up just 10 points a game. I'd love to see where you came up with that.

[g_quedog]

Hmmm... Haven't yall lost? You see Collins hasn't.

OOOOooooohhhhh,...shiver me timbersssssss!!!

Fate has it that your 1st loss will come 11-28-09 that's all!!!

But had we not lost, let me correct myself, laid down and given a game away, what would be your reply/comeback???

We've been ranked as high as #1 in certain power polls, #7 in the AP, and #1 on here as well,...How about y'all Mr. 12-0? Where's your respect? Still yet to be granted huh? Watch out who's toes you step on as you open yo' mouth and insert your foot!!!

You may walk ova here but you'll definitely limp on back to where you came from!!!!:cool:

[jimmycrackcorn]

OOOOooooohhhhh,...shiver me timbersssssss!!!

Fate has it that your 1st loss will come 11-28-09 that's all!!!

But had we not lost, let me correct myself, laid down and given a game away, what would be your reply/comeback???

We've been ranked as high as #1 in certain power polls, #7 in the AP, and #1 on here as well,...How about y'all Mr. 12-0? Where's your respect? Still yet to be granted huh? Watch out who's toes you step on as you open yo' mouth and insert your foot!!!

You may walk ova here but you'll definitely limp on back to where you came from!!!!:cool:

haha had you not lost i wouldn't have said it because... you would be undefeated!! Your pretty smart:rolleyes:
And your right we haven't gotten any respect, but that doesn't change the fact that we're till UNDEFEATED!!!

[KCTigerfan]

[QUOTE=g_quedog;1388818]How about 3!!!

1. John Tyler
2. Desoto
3. Lee
So you are telling me that these 3 teams held all of their opponents to 21 or less, while scoring 28 or more, and yes they are all undefeated. Are you counting yourself?

[g_quedog]

haha had you not lost i wouldn't have said it because... you would be undefeated!! Your pretty smart:rolleyes:
And your right we haven't gotten any respect, but that doesn't change the fact that we're till UNDEFEATED!!!

??? TILL undefeated ???

UHHHHhhhh okay!!!

11-28-09,...JT 56- K.Collins 28 with their clock controlled offense!!! ;)

[SleeperG]

??? TILL undefeated ???

UHHHHhhhh okay!!!

11-28-09,...JT 56- K.Collins 28 with their clock controlled offense!!! ;)
DANG!! I GUESS ALL YOU JT FANS ARE RIGHT!! All Hail the CUJO!! The KC players shouldn't even get off the bus!! Your runners are impervious to tackling. Your QB is pinpoint accurate and can throw it 70 yards. Your wideouts are human blurs. By stepping onto the field, JT will automatically be awarded 21 points!!:eek:

I think JT should totally ignore KC and start worrying about who you will be playing from Region 1, three games from now. After all, this is the first time KC has gone this far in the playoffs from a weak division and could not hold your division's fourth place team's jockstap. . . .

Did I forget anything? You guys keep believing that when the KC lines up against you.

"I'm tellin' ya', I don't get no respect!" - R. Dangerfield.

[anonymousfan1]

??? TILL undefeated ???

UHHHHhhhh okay!!!

11-28-09,...JT 56- K.Collins 28 with their clock controlled offense!!! ;)

*Still

and wow 56 points? The only decent Defense you played all year was tyler lee and you lost. Not sure how u think you will get 56 points against a defense like KC. I'm not saying we will hold you under 21, but 56? come on now be realistic.

[jimmycrackcorn]

DANG!! I GUESS ALL YOU JT FANS ARE RIGHT!! All Hail the CUJO!! The KC players shouldn't even get off the bus!! Your runners are impervious to tackling. Your QB is pinpoint accurate and can throw it 70 yards. Your wideouts are human blurs. By stepping onto the field, JT will automatically be awarded 21 points!!:eek:

I think JT should totally ignore KC and start worrying about who you will be playing from Region 1, three games from now. After all, this is the first time KC has gone this far in the playoffs from a weak division and could not hold your division's fourth place team's jockstap. . . .

Did I forget anything? You guys keep believing that when the KC lines up against you.

"I'm tellin' ya', I don't get no respect!" - R. Dangerfield.

Yeah we should just not even get on the bus saturday morning, because according to these big bad cujo fans we have no chance whatsoever.

[ROD LEE]

KC has the hosses on defense to give JT's offense fits. JT's defense will be hard pressed to control KC's power run. I'm seeing another close one. Will be nice to get back to WISD Stadium, minus the windy conditions which favor a running team.

[MemorialMustangs]

What a matchup :eek:

[JAD59]

Haha - that's funny stuff right there. Hey - ya'll are still playing - talk smack all you want - but you're gonna be in for a rude awakening in terms of Cujo's O.
Like the great lufkin team

[Gridiron Warrior]

My unbiased thoughts: Two very good teams with different strenghts and weakness. KC has a dominant defense with solid, hard hitting players. JT is not as dominant but has lots of dangerous speed. However, JT offense is a big play offense that could score very quickly, again with dangerous threats in the backfield. KC offense is a well disciplined unit that controls the ball and tires out opponents with a tough, hard nosed backfield. JT has football tradition and KC is starting theirs. Should be a great game!

[CuJo iS BaCk]

Im not gonna say 56, but quote me on this
"If KC holds JT to under 30 points win or lose I will eat a crow, post it on YouTube, and post a link on this thread!"
Not trying to sound cocky, but the offense is rolling right now... maybe still to many carries by J. Johnson IMO, but the offense had over 500 yards against Cove, and 2 yards away from 600 against Lake Highlands.
Does Lake Highlands not qualify as a good defense?

[KCTigerfan]

Im not gonna say 56, but quote me on this
"If KC holds JT to under 30 points win or lose I will eat a crow, post it on YouTube, and post a link on this thread!"
Not trying to sound cocky, but the offense is rolling right now... maybe still to many carries by J. Johnson IMO, but the offense had over 500 yards against Cove, and 2 yards away from 600 against Lake Highlands.
Does Lake Highlands not qualify as a good defense?
No disrespect to LH, but when you give up that many points and yards you either had a bad defensive game or your defense is not very good.

Oh, and how do you like your crow?

[KT2000]

KC has the right kind of team to at least slow JT down. The KC offense will limit the amount of time JT sees on offense. JT's possessions will be more limited than they were in the first two games for sure. In the end, I think JT puts the winning margin up, but KC will make them work for it.

[CuJo iS BaCk]

KC has the right kind of team to at least slow JT down. The KC offense will limit the amount of time JT sees on offense. JT's possessions will be more limited than they were in the first two games for sure. In the end, I think JT puts the winning margin up, but KC will make them work for it.

KT Said it!!! you can lock the thread now!!! :D

[CuJo iS BaCk]

I don't think they will hit 50 like some people are saying on this thread because like KT said, their running game will limit JT's posessions, but i do remember us playing a team a week ago who only threw the ball 10 times per game and had a running back who is commited to North Texas and JT still put up 49...

[CuJo iS BaCk]

No disrespect to LH, but when you give up that many points and yards you either had a bad defensive game or your defense is not very good.

Oh, and how do you like your crow?

or they just played against JT? :eek:

you didn't even look into their stats or their previous records, you just saw that one score and thought" their D must suck if they gave up that much"

[KT2000]

KC's offense doesn't put up numbers that will blow people away, but they run an unconventional hybrid option scheme. JT will spend a good part of the next week working on recognition type keys and getting their alignments right. KC is the only team I know of in 5A that runs this brand of hybrid option game.

The most comparable team KC has played to JT is Klein Forest. Matt Davis, although only a sophomore, is the most impressive young quarterback I have seen since Vince Young. Forest has similar athletes to JT. KC kept Davis bottled up about as well as possible on the way to a 24-21 win.

They will need a similar effort against Mr. Johnson and the JT O in order to be successful this week. The Forest game will be a very good base of preparation for KC this week.

[CuJo iS BaCk]

KC's offense doesn't put up numbers that will blow people away, but they run an unconventional hybrid option scheme. JT will spend a good part of the next week working on recognition type keys and getting their alignments right. KC is the only team I know of in 5A that runs this brand of hybrid option game.

The most comparable team KC has played to JT is Klein Forest. Matt Davis, although only a sophomore, is the most impressive young quarterback I have seen since Vince Young. Forest has similar athletes to JT. KC kept Davis bottled up about as well as possible on the way to a 24-21 win.

They will need a similar effort against Mr. Johnson and the JT O in order to be successful this week. The Forest game will be a very good base of preparation for KC this week.
1. Good thing JT has a week to prepare, but it works both ways...
2. J. Johnson will "test the waters" in the first quarter, to see how KC plays against the zone read, but JT has proven that they can still hit 40 even when J. Johnson is contained.
3. The game will probably be a lot closer and lower scoring than i would prefer mainly because of the fact that both teams have an entire week without school to prepare for each other.... LET THE GAMES BEGIN!!!:notworthy

[KCTigerfan]

Im not gonna say 56, but quote me on this
"If KC holds JT to under 30 points win or lose I will eat a crow, post it on YouTube, and post a link on this thread!"
Not trying to sound cocky, but the offense is rolling right now... maybe still to many carries by J. Johnson IMO, but the offense had over 500 yards against Cove, and 2 yards away from 600 against Lake Highlands.
Does Lake Highlands not qualify as a good defense?

or they just played against JT? :eek:

you didn't even look into their stats or their previous records, you just saw that one score and thought" their D must suck if they gave up that much"
Texas 5A ADS: LH #23, TJT #47, KC #12. :p

[CuJo iS BaCk]

Texas 5A ADS: LH #23, TJT #47, KC #12. :p

LH was -10.4, KC is -14.0, and JT is -7.4... there's only a 3.6 point difference between KC and LH, so is that what's going to stop JT's offense? Doubt it!!!

[KCTigerfan]

LH was -10.4, KC is -14.0, and JT is -7.4... there's only a 3.6 point difference between KC and LH, so is that what's going to stop JT's offense? Doubt it!!!
#'s 5, 6, 20, 24, 28, 31, 32, 42, 50, 57, and 90.

Last Call, you had better get your last drink until Monday... Sorry, I forgot you brew your own.

[ROD LEE]

Why not throw in the Strength Of Schedule Rankings (not including two playoff wins) for a little more fun. LH 132, KC 192 :eek:, JT 24, the low man wins.

[CuJo iS BaCk]

Why not throw in the Strength Of Schedule Rankings (not including two playoff wins) for a little more fun. LH 132, KC 192 :eek:, JT 24, the low man wins.

The truth hurts!!!!!

[cujograd]

Let's all be real here....if you are going to knock a JT defense that going into the LH gave up only 19 points/game and they have an offense that scores over 40 then you are crazy...tell me that you wouldnt take those odds any day!! Great offense wins over great defense any day period because there will come a time when a play will have to be made in the game and JT will call on one of its many weapons and slap the KC defense in the face. If you think you can hold an offense who can score at will to under 35 then i suggest you go down to your coaches offense during the week and pick up some of those game tapes and scouting reports and even ask him what he thinks...i bet he's not betting on holding this offense down. You guys havent faced a potent offense like this but JT has faced tougher opponents and tough defenses. I bet if u played JT's schedule you wouldnt be undefeated and you would have given up more than your season high 21

Im just trying to be real that's all....

[cujograd]

One thing I know is that JT has won a defensive struggle AND they have won a couple of down to the wire, high flying games....KC hasnt done that. JT is very physical and this D is also hard hitting had they gang tackle well...a power running game actually suits their D better than the speed game. JT has proven that they can match any brand that is put on the field. Question is, can KC hand if (and probably when) this game get into the 35 point range?

they dont have that answer because they havent been there before...JT has seen it all this year and they have answered the call...there is a reason that JT was receiving national attention (believe it or not playing tough teams is harder than playing average to mediocore teams)...i dont think ive seen KC on ESPN Rise top 100 with their nice, fancy 12-0 record, i wonder why??:confused:

[CuJo iS BaCk]

Let's all be real here....if you are going to knock a JT defense that going into the LH gave up only 19 points/game and they have an offense that scores over 40 then you are crazy...tell me that you wouldnt take those odds any day!! Great offense wins over great defense any day period because there will come a time when a play will have to be made in the game and JT will call on one of its many weapons and slap the KC defense in the face. If you think you can hold an offense who can score at will to under 35 then i suggest you go down to your coaches offense during the week and pick up some of those game tapes and scouting reports and even ask him what he thinks...i bet he's not betting on holding this offense down. You guys havent faced a potent offense like this but JT has faced tougher opponents and tough defenses. I bet if u played JT's schedule you wouldnt be undefeated and you would have given up more than your season high 21

Im just trying to be real that's all....

Your wrong about that one... but your right that they will probably score more than 21

[cujograd]

Your wrong about that one... but your right that they will probably score more than 21


A great offense will come through over a great defense in key situations (3rd and long on a key drive, etc.) but im not saying they win the game everytime.

[CuJo iS BaCk]

A great offense will come through over a great defense in key situations (3rd and long on a key drive, etc.) but im not saying they win the game everytime.

Offense wins games, but DEFENSE wins championships... The D will have to step up tremendously if they want to keep playing.

[SleeperG]

Okay, we have talked about
1. Unstoppable O v.Shutdown D
2. Your Shutdown D isn't so shutdown
3. Your division is weak
4. Your division doesn't play D
5. Your strength of schedule bites
6. You won't get the touches with our ball/clock control offense
7. We don't need many touches, as we score like lightning.

You know what, we may have peaked early here. I think we may have run out of new and insightful (yeah, right) things to say here. I am at a loss here. What other smack topics are there?

[cujograd]

Offense wins games, but DEFENSE wins championships... The D will have to step up tremendously if they want to keep playing.

Im not saying JT should give up 45 points/game and you know that they wont but you must be able to score to win...look at all the scores from this past weekend. There were some good defenses on the field but mostly all the games were high scoring affairs (Skyline/Desoto, Woodlands/Stony Point, Carroll/Allen, etc). You have to score to win and BTW Stony Point is 4th in ADS and still gave up 24. You wont see very many 17-10 games this deep. Too much offense is left in the playoffs. In a time where there is more no huddle and spread offenses than there has ever been you have to be able to put up points. Thats what I meant when i said offense trumps defense.

[cujograd]

Offense wins games, but DEFENSE wins championships... The D will have to step up tremendously if they want to keep playing.


What impresses me about JT's defense is that they are able to clamp down in key spots and JT's offense is able to execute in key spots. Perfect example was the LH game where JT converted several key 3rd and 7+ yard situations to a go ahead drive in the 4th and the D stepped up to seal the win. LH defense wasnt a pushover BUT great offense came through in the clutch. And you cant win a championship if those conversions arent made on offense.

[cujograd]

Okay, we have talked about
1. Unstoppable O v.Shutdown D
2. Your Shutdown D isn't so shutdown
3. Your division is weak
4. Your division doesn't play D
5. Your strength of schedule bites
6. You won't get the touches with our ball/clock control offense
7. We don't need many touches, as we score like lightning.

You know what, we may have peaked early here. I think we may have run out of new and insightful (yeah, right) things to say here. I am at a loss here. What other smack topics are there?

I'm not sure...all in all this will be a good, close game. i dont think we see a blowout this weekend. JT wont put up 40+ but they do top 21. this game will probably be in the 30's for JT. If it's more than 35 than JT wins this one.

My prediction:

JT 38
KC 28

but it's a close 10 with the final score that puts JT up by two scores coming late in the game to seal the win.

[CuJo iS BaCk]

Im not saying JT should give up 45 points/game and you know that they wont but you must be able to score to win...look at all the scores from this past weekend. There were some good defenses on the field but mostly all the games were high scoring affairs (Skyline/Desoto, Woodlands/Stony Point, Carroll/Allen, etc). You have to score to win and BTW Stony Point is 4th in ADS and still gave up 24. You wont see very many 17-10 games this deep. Too much offense is left in the playoffs. In a time where there is more no huddle and spread offenses than there has ever been you have to be able to put up points. Thats what I meant when i said offense trumps defense.

Thats not what you need to look at... if you look at the state champoinship game scores since 2000, only 3 out of 16 games has a team scored over 40... DEFENSE wins championships...

[ROD LEE]

Okay, we have talked about
1. Unstoppable O v.Shutdown D
2. Your Shutdown D isn't so shutdown
3. Your division is weak
4. Your division doesn't play D
5. Your strength of schedule bites
6. You won't get the touches with our ball/clock control offense
7. We don't need many touches, as we score like lightning.

You know what, we may have peaked early here. I think we may have run out of new and insightful (yeah, right) things to say here. I am at a loss here. What other smack topics are there?My daddy once caught a bullet with his bare hands. Serious though, this going to be a good game between two pretty good teams. This week, I'm going to enjoy my Turkey and this game.

[cujograd]

Thats not what you need to look at... if you look at the state champoinship game scores since 2000, only 3 out of 16 games has a team scored over 40... DEFENSE wins championships...


Maybe you cant understand what im saying...let me break it down to you. I didnt say you have to score 40 points per game. I said that a great offense comes through in clutch situations and in clutch drives in the game. Do me a favor and read all of the post before you respond. Go back and read the entire post #104!

[cujograd]

Let's all be real here....if you are going to knock a JT defense that going into the LH gave up only 19 points/game and they have an offense that scores over 40 then you are crazy...tell me that you wouldnt take those odds any day!! Great offense wins over great defense any day period because there will come a time when a play will have to be made in the game and JT will call on one of its many weapons and slap the KC defense in the face. If you think you can hold an offense who can score at will to under 35 then i suggest you go down to your coaches offense during the week and pick up some of those game tapes and scouting reports and even ask him what he thinks...i bet he's not betting on holding this offense down. You guys havent faced a potent offense like this but JT has faced tougher opponents and tough defenses. I bet if u played JT's schedule you wouldnt be undefeated and you would have given up more than your season high 21



Im just trying to be real that's all....

Just thought i would highlight it for you..

[CuJo iS BaCk]

Okay, we have talked about
1. Unstoppable O v.Shutdown D
2. Your Shutdown D isn't so shutdown
3. Your division is weak
4. Your division doesn't play D
5. Your strength of schedule bites
6. You won't get the touches with our ball/clock control offense
7. We don't need many touches, as we score like lightning.

You know what, we may have peaked early here. I think we may have run out of new and insightful (yeah, right) things to say here. I am at a loss here. What other smack topics are there?

You got me on the first two... but
3. Tyler has two teams and both are still playing
4. District has a lot of athletes and some of the best offenses in the state.
5. Our SOS 24 to KC's 192
6. your offense might limit JT to one less possession than normal
7. Contradicts your 6th point... Bout our O strikes like lightning!

Your right... this thread is pretty much burnt out and its only Sunday.... now its just a waiting game..... tick.... tock...

[CuJo iS BaCk]

Maybe you cant understand what im saying...let me break it down to you. I didnt say you have to score 40 points per game. I said that a great offense comes through in clutch situations and in clutch drives in the game. Do me a favor and read all of the post before you respond. Go back and read the entire post #104!

A good defense wouldn't have let LH come back from being down by 16 in the second half...
lets be real here for a moment, your not gonna outscore everyone... and if you keep depending on your offense to bring you back every game , you won't make it all the way.
with a good defense, you dont need a great offense, what happens when you the offense gets shut down like the Lee game?

[SleeperG]

You got me on the first two... but
3. Tyler has two teams and both are still playing
4. District has a lot of athletes and some of the best offenses in the state.
5. Our SOS 24 to KC's 192
6. your offense might limit JT to one less possession than normal
7. Contradicts your 6th point... Bout our O strikes like lightning!

Your right... this thread is pretty much burnt out and its only Sunday.... now its just a waiting game..... tick.... tock...
I think you misunderstand me:

3, 5 (Klein also has 2 teams still playing), and 7 were JT arguments
4 and 6 were KC arguments.

Hmmm, how about uniform smackdowns or something?

[jimmycrackcorn]

Maybe you cant understand what im saying...let me break it down to you. I didnt say you have to score 40 points per game. I said that a great offense comes through in clutch situations and in clutch drives in the game. Do me a favor and read all of the post before you respond. Go back and read the entire post #104!

I'll give you the Klein Forest VS KC game film and you can see that great D shut down the Great O in clutch situations and clutch drives. Defense wins championships bottom line.

[cujograd]

I dont remember saying that the defense played good in that game...in fact if you go to the thread of that game as soon as the game was over I said that the D needs to step up and play better if they want to continue to advance. Slow down and understand what I'm saying. The JT defense doesnt normally give up 40 points. They give up around 20. the D isnt great and they are on the field a lot because of the way the offense scores quickly. If you factor that into the equation you will understand what I'm saying. JT ends up giving other team more possessions than they would normally get when the offense is moving and scoring effectively therefore the JT D is on the field for extended periods of time. Dont just look at stats and think you can get the whole story. KC offense helps their defense by using clock and giving the D rest just like Lee does. Thats one reason why this game will be lower scoring. Its really simple if you use common sense. :rolleyes:

[jimmycrackcorn]

Don't let all this talk about ball control fool you, we can still score fast. We have the athletes that can do it. SO just because that's our game plan doesn't mean that we won't take the first play from scrimmage to the house. ;)

[cujograd]

I'll give you the Klein Forest VS KC game film and you can see that great D shut down the Great O in clutch situations and clutch drives. Defense wins championships bottom line.

Maybe it wasnt a "Great O"...it isnt easy to be great. greatness doenst show up often so lets be careful how we use that word. If being great was easy than everyone would be great. This year JT's offense is special but dont look for that year after year plus there are 30+ seniors on the team. Im not knocking the KC defense I'm just stating facts.

It will be a great game and something will have to give. It can go either way but I'm giving the edge to JT and their ability to be great in the cluth but momentum can swing it the other way and KC's D can be great in the clutch.

You have to have a complete team to win championships...you have to score and make stops when you need to but you dont have to have a Great D but you have to have a great O to beat a great D. that's what I'm saying and that's why you generally see higher scores in the playoffs on any level. This deep in the season everyone is good.

[cujograd]

Don't let all this talk about ball control fool you, we can still score fast. We have the athletes that can do it. SO just because that's our game plan doesn't mean that we won't take the first play from scrimmage to the house. ;)


You are right...that's how Lee beat us. They came out with a quick two scores and then used their strengths (ball control and defense) to win the game. It's TX football and anything can happen, that's why we love it. :D

[CuJo iS BaCk]

I'll give you the Klein Forest VS KC game film and you can see that great D shut down the Great O in clutch situations and clutch drives. Defense wins championships bottom line.

Please don't compare JT to any team you have faced because there's no comparison... But we do agree that D wins rings!

[cujograd]

Please don't compare JT to any team you have faced because there's no comparison... But we do agree that D wins rings!

It is much harder on a D when the offense cant score to give them some room for error. I dont need an offense that scores over 40. I need an offense that can sustain drives and finish and not get bogged down in the redzone. Ive seen JT teams in the past not be able to come through in key situations even though the D was solid (not great but solid).

[CO99JTHS]

A good defense wouldn't have let LH come back from being down by 16 in the second half...
lets be real here for a moment, your not gonna outscore everyone... and if you keep depending on your offense to bring you back every game , you won't make it all the way.
with a good defense, you dont need a great offense, what happens when you the offense gets shut down like the Lee game?

I think you're discrediting the fact that Ricky Zorn and Desmond Rollins of LH's are offensive MONSTERS. Rewind to the Desoto game, again, don't discredit the fact that Desoto's offense is just that good..look what they did last night, most of it with their main man Murphy. I really think we'll be alright in this one BUT this is EXACTLY the kind of team that could beat us. Ball control and good defense...look no further than the Lee game (though i still believe we played extra conservative that game and gave them a 21 point headstart). Unconventional, misdirection, option type teams scare me. Either we stop it, or we get fooled by it over and over and over again (again, see LEE).

Let's not fool ourselves here. The JT offense is good, perhaps even great. But stats don't lie, these guys have shutdown basically everyone they've played. Their D is as good at what they do as our O is at what we do. The X factor will be the JT D. They aren't as bad as KC would like to believe because we do get stops and we do create turnovers. Some of our D stats are a bit skewed due to the prowess of the offense. Teams score more against us because they normally have more possessions than usual. JT's handles business really fast and sometimes puts the D back on the field too quickly. Question; If the KC defense is so great, why don't you all put up more points? I mean logic says, limiting the opposing O leads to more possessions for you. Where are the points? It'll take at least 35 to beat JT.

I say we go up 14-0 and then if KC can catch up. We don't wanna get into a "cat fight" with a great defensive, power running, option oriented team. JT is not built for that. We have not the size nor depth to do so.

[cujograd]

I think you're discrediting the fact that Ricky Zorn and Desmond Rollins of LH's are offensive MONSTERS. Rewind to the Desoto game, again, don't discredit the fact that Desoto's offense is just that good..look what they did last night, most of it with their main man Murphy. I really think we'll be alright in this one BUT this is EXACTLY the kind of team that could beat us. Ball control and good defense...look no further than the Lee game (though i still believe we played extra conservative that game and gave them a 21 point headstart). Unconventional, misdirection, option type teams scare me. Either we stop it, or we get fooled by it over and over and over again (again, see LEE).

Let's not fool ourselves here. The JT offense is good, perhaps even great. But stats don't lie, these guys have shutdown basically everyone they've played. Their D is as good at what they do as our O is at what we do. The X factor will be the JT D. They aren't as bad as KC would like to believe because we do get stops and we do create turnovers. Some of our D stats are a bit skewed due to the prowess of the offense. Teams score more against us because they normally have more possessions than usual. JT's handles business really fast and sometimes puts the D back on the field too quickly. Question; If the KC defense is so great, why don't you all put up more points? I mean logic says, limiting the opposing O leads to more possessions for you. Where are the points? It'll take at least 35 to beat JT.

I say we go up 14-0 and then if KC can catch up. We don't wanna get into a "cat fight" with a great defensive, power running, option oriented team. JT is not built for that. We have not the size nor depth to do so.


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[g_quedog]

Why not throw in the Strength Of Schedule Rankings (not including two playoff wins) for a little more fun. LH 132, KC 192 :eek:, JT 24, the low man wins.

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[g_quedog]

One thing I know is that JT has won a defensive struggle AND they have won a couple of down to the wire, high flying games....KC hasnt done that. JT is very physical and this D is also hard hitting had they gang tackle well...a power running game actually suits their D better than the speed game. JT has proven that they can match any brand that is put on the field. Question is, can KC hand if (and probably when) this game get into the 35 point range?

they dont have that answer because they havent been there before...JT has seen it all this year and they have answered the call...there is a reason that JT was receiving national attention (believe it or not playing tough teams is harder than playing average to mediocore teams)...i dont think ive seen KC on ESPN Rise top 100 with their nice, fancy 12-0 record, i wonder why??:confused:


AMEN :notworthy

[g_quedog]

Okay, we have talked about
1. Unstoppable O v.Shutdown D
2. Your Shutdown D isn't so shutdown
3. Your division is weak
4. Your division doesn't play D
5. Your strength of schedule bites
6. You won't get the touches with our ball/clock control offense
7. We don't need many touches, as we score like lightning.

You know what, we may have peaked early here. I think we may have run out of new and insightful (yeah, right) things to say here. I am at a loss here. What other smack topics are there?

Our D*i*K*z R BiGgEr than yourssssss!!!! :notworthy:cool:

[g_quedog]

I'll give you the Klein Forest VS KC game film and you can see that great D shut down the Great O in clutch situations and clutch drives. Defense wins championships bottom line.


What good would that do,...someone already said that KF had a Sophomore playing QB if I'm not mistaken!!! Come on now,...comparing JT's power spread nascar offense to KF's offense that was being run by a Sophomore at the 5A level is a mockery to what we stand for!!!

Find somethin' else to rant about b'c this arguement doesn't fly!!!

[SHBR]

What good would that do,...someone already said that KF had a Sophomore playing QB if I'm not mistaken!!! Come on now,...comparing JT's power spread nascar offense to KF's offense that was being run by a Sophomore at the 5A level is a mockery to what we stand for!!!

Find somethin' else to rant about b'c this arguement doesn't fly!!!

I honestly cannot say that Matt Davis is better than your QB, because I have not seen JT play. Matt Davis is pretty darn good. Have you seen him play or are you just uninformed?

[SleeperG]

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Our D*i*K*z R BiGgEr than yourssssss!!!! :notworthy:cool:

Does that mean you are capable of doing certain self .... naaaaw, let's not go there. I think we should take the high road here. I guess that means "Yo Mama" is out as well.

How about how many Heisman Trophy scions do y'all have? Hmmmm?

[g_quedog]

Does that mean you are capable of doing certain self .... naaaaw, let's not go there. I think we should take the high road here. I guess that means "Yo Mama" is out as well.

How about how many Heisman Trophy scions do y'all have? Hmmmm?

Betta yet,...NFL Hall of Famers?:cool:

[SleeperG]

What good would that do,...someone already said that KF had a Sophomore playing QB if I'm not mistaken!!! Come on now,...comparing JT's power spread nascar offense to KF's offense that was being run by a Sophomore at the 5A level is a mockery to what we stand for!!!

Find somethin' else to rant about b'c this arguement doesn't fly!!!
You may be right that your QB is better than Matt Davis, who is only a sophmore. But his ability to run KF, as well as his physical ability make him someone worth watching in the next two years. Jacoby Walker, the Spring Westfield QB who graduated early to go to KU is also pretty special.

[SleeperG]

Betta yet,...NFL Hall of Famers?:cool:
I don't think Earl has anyone playing on your team right now. Ask Mike Rozier how his son is doing at KC:cool:

[CO99JTHS]

At this rate....this thread runs out of steam by say...perhaps..midnite? I'll comment sparingly but for the most part..i'm done...we'll know Saturday by 6. "It is, what it is". JT by 12

[g_quedog]

I honestly cannot say that Matt Davis is better than your QB, because I have not seen JT play. Matt Davis is pretty darn good. Have you seen him play or are you just uninformed?

Come on now,...I don't care what that sophomore kids name is,...has he been the "Ford High School Player of the Week" this year,...JT's J.Johnson has!!!

Has he rushed for over 1000 yds and thrown for 1000yds this season,..JT's QB, J.Johnson has!!!

Has he rushed for over 300+yds and thrown for over 150+in a game,...J.Johnson has!!!

Ladies and Gentlemen of KC,...you may be watching the 5A Player of the Year this weekend!!!

[SleeperG]

At this rate....this thread runs out of steam by say...perhaps..midnite? I'll comment sparingly but for the most part..i'm done...we'll know Saturday by 6. "It is, what it is". JT by 12
I'm working on keeping this going with insightful comments and smack. My call, KC by 3.

[Football4life]

What good would that do,...someone already said that KF had a Sophomore playing QB if I'm not mistaken!!! Come on now,...comparing JT's power spread nascar offense to KF's offense that was being run by a Sophomore at the 5A level is a mockery to what we stand for!!!

Find somethin' else to rant about b'c this arguement doesn't fly!!!

You are one sad little man, don't talk about what you haven't seen! Who is the last 13 5a team you have played?

[Football4life]

Come on now,...I don't care what that sophomore kids name is,...has he been the "Ford High School Player of the Week" this year,...JT's J.Johnson has!!!

Has he rushed for over 1000 yds and thrown for 1000yds this season,..JT's QB, J.Johnson has!!!

Has he rushed for over 300+yds and thrown for over 150+in a game,...J.Johnson has!!!

Ladies and Gentlemen of KC,...you may be watching the 5A Player of the Year this weekend!!!

HAHAH you are sounding so dumb right now, Matt Davis has 1393 pass yards, 1427 rushing yards and has a total of 22 total TD this year...

[SleeperG]

Come on now,...I don't care what that sophomore kids name is,...has he been the "Ford High School Player of the Week" this year,...JT's J.Johnson has!!!

Has he rushed for over 1000 yds and thrown for 1000yds this season,..JT's QB, J.Johnson has!!!

Has he rushed for over 300+yds and thrown for over 150+in a game,...J.Johnson has!!!

Ladies and Gentlemen of KC,...you may be watching the 5A Player of the Year this weekend!!!
Matt Davis in 11 games:
Passing: 1393 yds
Rushing: 1427 yds
Can't say that he has had 300 yds rushing and 150 passing in any game, that's because no one in our district has that bad a defense.
And we drive imports down here.

[CO99JTHS]

I'm working on keeping this going with insightful comments and smack. My call, KC by 3.

LOL...Good luck with that... share some Thanksgiving recipes or something...."The thrill is gone"...Bottom Line...At the beginning of the season NEITHER team was expected to get as far as we've gotten. Damnnn. Come Saturday, let's rock and roll..when the smoke clears, we'll all know what's what.

[ROD LEE]

Johnson had 1365 passing and 1220 rushing before the playoffs started. Since then, 277 passing and 477 rushing.

[SleeperG]

Johnson had 1365 passing and 1220 before the playoffs started. Since then, 277 passing and 477 rushing.
Believe me, we are in no way suggesting Johnson is not a good (great?) QB. It's just that we have faced a comparable QBs in Davis (and Westfield's Walker), and Davis is JUST a soph.

[ROD LEE]

Believe me, we are in no way suggesting Johnson is not a good (great?) QB. It's just that we have faced a comparable QBs in Davis (and Westfield's Walker), and Davis is JUST a soph.I know nothing about Davis or KF. I'm only showing the numbers since they were mentioned.

[ROD LEE]

Believe me, we are in no way suggesting Johnson is not a good (great?) QB. It's just that we have faced a comparable QBs in Davis (and Westfield's Walker), and Davis is JUST a soph.What did KF rush for against y'all?

[ROD LEE]

More numbers: Chancellor 695 rushing, Black 610 rushing before playoffs. Since playoffs, Chancellor 254 rushing, Black 138.

[jimmycrackcorn]

Jamichael Rozier: 200 carries for 1354 yards through ten games.
Brett Hume (QB) 110 carries for 578 yards through ten games.

[PackAttack2005]

You are one sad little man, don't talk about what you haven't seen! Who is the last 13 5a team you have played?

JT doesn't know anything about 13-5A. They are trying to make comparisons based on comparable stats, records and SOS. That doesn't work for a district as tough and competitive as 13-5A. Lufkin has been playing these folks either in district from 2004-2005 or the first round of the playoffs from 2006 to present. We know something about these guys. Klein Collins is battle tested because it is a war every week in that district. The top 5 teams are always loaded with talent and end up knocking each other off, thus you end up with a few teams with 2 or 3 district losses. To go undefeated in that district is phenominal. Not to take anything away from a outstanding JT team, you guys are incredible this year. Don't take these guys lightly and just think your going to put up 40 points on KC. Although Klein Collins does not put up the offensive numbers of a Lake Highlands or Desoto, they don't need to because their defense is that good. Rozier is the son of the great All American runningback Mike Rozier from Nebraska. He runs behind a big and well coached offensive line that will eat the clock up. If your not careful they will limit you to about 35-40 plays on O, so you will need to make your limited opportunities count.

Klein Collins VS Klein Forest 2009

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nO-nhtfV7Y

[jimmycrackcorn]

And KF had 111 yards rushing against us, and Matt Davis had already rushed for a thousand yards before that game.

[jimmycrackcorn]

JT doesn't know anything about 13-5A. They are trying to make comparisons based on comparable stats, records and SOS. That doesn't work for a district as tough and competitive as 13-5A. Lufkin has been playing these folks either in district from 2004-2005 or the first round of the playoffs from 2006 to present. We know something about these guys. Klein Collins is battle tested because it is a war every week in that district. The top 5 teams are always loaded with talent and end up knocking each other off, thus you end up with a few teams with 2 or 3 district losses. To go undefeated in that district is phenominal. Not to take anything away from a outstanding JT team, you guys are incredible this year. Don't take these guys lightly and just think your going to put up 40 points on KC. Although Klein Collins does not put up the offensive numbers of a Lake Highlands or Desoto, they don't need to because their defense is that good. Rozier is the son of the great All American runningback Mike Rozier from Nebraska. He runs behind a big and well coached offensive line that will eat the clock up. If your not careful they will limit you to about 35-40 plays on O, so you will need to make your limited opportunities count.

Don't forget Heisman Trophy winning running back Mike Rozier:)
ANd i don't think that KC holds TJT to under 21. that would be a little ridiculous, but i also don't think that ya'll put 40 on us. For once i think it will be up to the Offense to win the game, and not relying on the D to hold teams to 21 or less.

[ROD LEE]

Jamichael Rozier: 200 carries for 1354 yards through ten games.
Brett Hume (QB) 110 carries for 578 yards through ten games.Carries: Johnson 136 before playoffs, 42 during. Chancellor 99 before playoffs, 38 during. Black 103 before playoffs, 22 during.

[ROD LEE]

And KF had 111 yards rushing against us, and Matt Davis had already rushed for a thousand yards before that game.Woah!! That's total????

[jimmycrackcorn]

Woah!! That's total????

Yes and most of it came in first half. THey only had 1 total first down in the 2nd half and it came off of a long pass play. How much do ya'll throw the ball?

[ROD LEE]

Yes and most of it came in first half. THey only had 1 total first down in the 2nd half and it came off of a long pass play. How much do ya'll throw the ball?That's off the chain against a player that's run for those yards. Johnson has threw 140 passes in 10 games and completed 92. During the playoffs he's thrown 19 and completed 14, the yards I've posted. I guess you could say 10 more or less passes per game. JT had one rare game and threw 31 times with 22 completions for 190 yards but lost that game.

[smw358]

I've been reading this thread and being amused by the "weak" smack being presented by both sides. Someone said that by midnight this thread will have smacked all it can smack......Come on.......last year between Copperas Cove and Klein Oak there were about 300 pages worth of smack. Surely all y'all football experts up there chewin on pine cones have better smack that comparing the size of one's dong to football.......:rolleyes: Come on KC.....start some real smack......cause you know this is where the football gets really played.....amongst the blowhards on this board......:D

[jimmycrackcorn]

That's off the chain against a player that's run for those yards. Johnson has threw 140 passes in 10 games and completed 92. During the playoffs he's thrown 19 and completed 14, the yards I've posted. I guess you could say 10 more or less passes per game. JT had one rare game and threw 31 times with 22 completions for 190 yards but lost that game.

WEll i guess we figured out how to beat you, just get up by 2 scores early and make you throw the ball lol. No big deal.

[jimmycrackcorn]

I've been reading this thread and being amused by the "weak" smack being presented by both sides. Someone said that by midnight this thread will have smacked all it can smack......Come on.......last year between Copperas Cove and Klein Oak there were about 300 pages worth of smack. Surely all y'all football experts up there chewin on pine cones have better smack that comparing the size of one's dong to football.......:rolleyes: Come on KC.....start some real smack......cause you know this is where the football gets really played.....amongst the blowhards on this board......:D

Haha i know this thread won't be over by midnight, but if we start going all out on the smack then it will be. We wanna keep this going till saturday.

[ROD LEE]

WEll i guess we figured out how to beat you, just get up by 2 scores early and make you throw the ball lol. No big deal.Actually, JT started the game throwing and fell behind 28-7 at the half. Just dug a hole too deep to crawl out of trying to air it out early. JT won the second half though, 10-0.

[jimmycrackcorn]

Actually, JT started the game throwing and fell behind 28-7 at the half. Just dug a hole too deep to crawl out of trying to air it out early. JT won the second half 10-0 though.

Well i'll just have to have a talk with your HC and convince him to throw for the first... lets say 50 plays? :)

[CCDawgs]

I've been reading this thread and being amused by the "weak" smack being presented by both sides. Someone said that by midnight this thread will have smacked all it can smack......Come on.......last year between Copperas Cove and Klein Oak there were about 300 pages worth of smack. Surely all y'all football experts up there chewin on pine cones have better smack that comparing the size of one's dong to football.......:rolleyes: Come on KC.....start some real smack......cause you know this is where the football gets really played.....amongst the blowhards on this board......:D

:notworthy:notworthy

I would love to see that one again. Could you bring it back up for me?

[ROD LEE]

Well i'll just have to have a talk with your HC and convince him to throw for the first... lets say 50 plays? :)The man coming out of the stands will be me if he does that junk again. Tried that against CC and got picked off and returned to the 2 yard line, cost, 7 points. Johnson loves to run so he has to warm up to pass. Once he gets hot it's pretty much strikes from then on.

[jimmycrackcorn]

The man coming out of the stands will be me if he does that junk again. Tried that against CC and got picked off and returned to the 2 yard line, cost7 points. Johnson loves to run so he has to warm up to pass. Once he gets hot it's pretty much strikes from then on.

I just hope we can find some way to contain this guy.

[CCDawgs]

I just hope we can find some way to contain this guy.
You cant. You just hope to slow him down.

[jimmycrackcorn]

You cant. You just hope to slow him down.

We have some pretty good athletes on D but from what these TJT fans are saying it sounds like this guy is Vince Young.

[smw358]

:notworthy:notworthy

I would love to see that one again. Could you bring it back up for me?

Brought it up.....check it out.....:D

[ROD LEE]

I just hope we can find some way to contain this guy.Three teams have held Johnson under 100, Mesquite, TyLee, and DeSoto. TyLee was the only team that had the offense to limit JT's possessions. The JT defense feeds off the offense. So goes the offense, so goes the team. Does KC use wings and ends on offense?

[jimmycrackcorn]

Three teams have held Johnson under 100, Mesquite, TyLee, and DeSoto. TyLee was the only team that had the offense to limit JT's possessions. The JT defense feeds off the offense. So goes the offense, so goes the team. Does KC use wings and ends on offense?

We use a wing type of player that is our full back but other than that it is a spread option attack.

[ROD LEE]

We use a wing type of player that is our full back but other than that it is a spread option attack.I was under the impression KC ran a tight set with tightends.

[jimmycrackcorn]

I was under the impression KC ran a tight set with tightends.

Nope, it is a shotgun spread type of offense with zone read option type of stuff. With some counters and powers thrown in there, we also throw the ball quite efficiently we just choose not to in some games, though i don't know why, We have a great receiver # 9, don't remember what his name is but he is one heck of an athlete.

[ROD LEE]

Nope, it is a shotgun spread type of offense with zone read option type of stuff. With some counters and powers thrown in there, we also throw the ball quite efficiently we just choose not to in some games, though i don't know why, We have a great receiver # 9, don't remember what his name is but he is one heck of an athlete.Mine may be illegal but do you recognize this formation:

W S TGCGT S W

Q R

[CCDawgs]

http://forums.5atexasfootball.com/showthread.php?t=41775

Learn. :D

[jimmycrackcorn]

Mine may be illegal but do you recognize this formation:

W S TGCGT S W


Q R


It wouldbe legal as long as 2 of those slots or wide outs moved off the line lol. We don't run that formation very often however.

[g_quedog]

Johnson had 1365 passing and 1220 rushing before the playoffs started. Since then, 277 passing and 477 rushing.

Thanks ROD,...I didn't have his up to date stats at the time but scroll down now.:cool:

[g_quedog]

Matt Davis in 11 games:
Passing: 1393 yds
Rushing: 1427 yds
Can't say that he has had 300 yds rushing and 150 passing in any game, that's because no one in our district has that bad a defense.
And we drive imports down here.

We drive imports, ole skooz, & candy slabs on dueces and 4's ova here,...so whacha self before you get broken down to yo' break pads!!!

Betta yet you may wanna catch this game on the radio b'c the non-lilly white atmosphere that you're used to playin' ain't happenin' this Sat. and it might astonish you!!!:eek:

[g_quedog]

HAHAH you are sounding so dumb right now, Matt Davis has 1393 pass yards, 1427 rushing yards and has a total of 22 total TD this year...

Matt Davis in 11 games:
Passing: 1393 yds
Rushing: 1427 yds
Can't say that he has had 300 yds rushing and 150 passing in any game, that's because no one in our district has that bad a defense.
And we drive imports down here.

Johnson had 1365 passing and 1220 rushing before the playoffs started. Since then, 277 passing and 477 rushing.


Good News all,...I did my research & it turns out that J.Johnson currently has

1714 YDS RUSHING ON 177 CARRIES & 25 TD'S
1659 PASSING W' 67% EFF W' 15TDS!!

JT as a team Offensively is averaging 478 yds per game. 44 points per game.

I CAN'T WAIT TO GET IT ON,...KC BRANG PLENTY OF CRUTCHES!!!!

[corycone33]

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We drive imports, ole skooz, & candy slabs on dueces and 4's ova here,...so whacha self before you get broken down to yo' break pads!!!

Betta yet you may wanna catch this game on the radio b'c the non-lilly white atmosphere that you're used to playin' ain't happenin' this Sat. and it might astonish you!!!:eek:

watch yo self. I am calling sharpton, and jesse jackson, oh Hell. I forget. they don't help the lilly whites:eek:

[rodjohns]

Ok...enough with the white vs. black talk. I can tell you from experience I have seen that get out of hand real quick...

[JAD59]

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We drive imports, ole skooz, & candy slabs on dueces and 4's ova here,...so whacha self before you get broken down to yo' break pads!!!

Betta yet you may wanna catch this game on the radio b'c the non-lilly white atmosphere that you're used to playin' ain't happenin' this Sat. and it might astonish you!!!:eek:

Why don't you speak proper english!

[CO99JTHS]

I guess I was wrong, it lasted a bit after midnite lol. This is ridiculous. Sleeper, go round up some more KC faithful because you're outnumbered. These are nothing more than circular arguments at best. I'm almost to the point of not even caring and it's just Monday!!! Five more days of this and I just might blow my damn computer up lol.

[jimmycrackcorn]

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We drive imports, ole skooz, & candy slabs on dueces and 4's ova here,...so whacha self before you get broken down to yo' break pads!!!

Betta yet you may wanna catch this game on the radio b'c the non-lilly white atmosphere that you're used to playin' ain't happenin' this Sat. and it might astonish you!!!:eek:

I think you'll be surprised at the color socks our players wear :cool:

[SHBR]

Ok ive heard alot about you O, lets move to the D! Who are the stars on the JT D?

[CO99JTHS]

None. We gave up 46 last game, remember? Most teams just run wild until we get lucky interceptions to put our offense back on the field. LH lost because they actually were too fatigued from scoring so much. The damnedest thing, they just quit lol. :D

[jimmycrackcorn]

I hope your just kidding because if this is true you may not be able to hold Collins under 40 points.

[kalanj]

J. Johnson stats
Rushing yards 1697
Rushing TD's 25
Passing yards 1642
Passing TD's 13
Total yards 3339
Total TD's 38

[Tyler Lee Fan]

Don't under estimate JT's defense, there is some talent there, they have just been real inconsistent all year. But with an Offense like theirs you can afford a little inconsistency. It needs to end here though because the competition is just going to get better.

[kalanj]

As a team JT has 5611 total yards and 535 points through 12 games. That's pretty damn good.

[SleeperG]

I guess I was wrong, it lasted a bit after midnite lol. This is ridiculous. Sleeper, go round up some more KC faithful because you're outnumbered. These are nothing more than circular arguments at best. I'm almost to the point of not even caring and it's just Monday!!! Five more days of this and I just might blow my damn computer up lol.
I already said we ran out of true smack topics, having gone through my prior seven points (see posts 109 and 119).

Credit should be given to bringing up Johnson's statistics as something new, but then we started comparing it with Davis' (KF) and Walker's (Westfield) statistics as a yard stick. As I have also previously stated, the idea of comparing a player in the game with one who will not be in the game is really not relevant (or did I do that in the KC/Leander thread, it's been so long ago). The brief detours into anatomy and demographics were way off base - we're talking football here.

I really can't see (and really don't want to) how Klein Oak and Copperas Cove kept at it for 110+ pages. Jeez, those guys must have made Katy and the Woodz guys look like pikers. It would have driven me out of my mind. But to keep this going, here is a new smack topic - our coaching staff.

HC Svoboda and staff took kids who had two 1-9 seasons, and in his first season - without a spring program - took them to 6-3. While that would have made playoffs in your district, it kept us out on a tie-breaker. This is his second year (and the first time he has been able to hold spring drills) and you can see the results, 12-0. D Coach Madison has worked with the defense to create the shutdown unit that they are. So, beyond the talent on this team, they are focused, ready and well coached. They know all about JT mystique and CUJO and they don't care. BRING IT.

[CO99JTHS]

I already said we ran out of true smack topics, having gone through my prior seven points (see posts 109 and 119).

Credit should be given to bringing up Johnson's statistics as something new, but then we started comparing it with Davis' (KF) and Walker's (Westfield) statistics as a yard stick. As I have also previously stated, the idea of comparing a player in the game with one who will not be in the game is really not relevant (or did I do that in the KC/Leander thread, it's been so long ago). The brief detours into anatomy and demographics were way off base - we're talking football here.

I really can't see (and really don't want to) how Klein Oak and Copperas Cove kept at it for 110+ pages. Jeez, those guys must have made Katy and the Woodz guys look like pikers. It would have driven me out of my mind. But to keep this going, here is a new smack topic - our coaching staff.

HC Svoboda and staff took kids who had two 1-9 seasons, and in his first season - without a spring program - took them to 6-3. While that would have made playoffs in your district, it kept us out on a tie-breaker. This is his second year (and the first time he has been able to hold spring drills) and you can see the results, 12-0. D Coach Madison has worked with the defense to create the shutdown unit that they are. So, beyond the talent on this team, they are focused, ready and well coached. They know all about JT mystique and CUJO and they don't care. BRING IT.

Agreed. 110 pgs is ridiculous. I really don't know what more can be said here.

[CuJo iS BaCk]

Agreed. 110 pgs is ridiculous. I really don't know what more can be said here.

Jt is gonna beat KC!!!! :D:p

[ktCarl]

John Tyler (11-1) had its best offensive night of the season against Lake Highlands with 598 yards of total offense, but it's worst defensive night, giving up 405 yards of offense in a 53-46 win. Klein Collins (12-0) defeated Leander 28-17 and has yet to give up more than 21 points the entire season. A great offense battles a great defense!!! The game is set to be played at Waco ISD stadium Saturday November 28 at 2:00 PM
Thoughts? Predictions?

Heh, heh...you just think you guys are under the radar. I've been keeping my beedie little eyes on blue Lions. Defense does win big games in the playoffs and Klein Collins has that edge but never underestimate a rabid Cujo. I wouldn't be surprised if the Lions are victorious. Good luck to ya'll and the KC fans. :cool:

[CuJo iS BaCk]

but on a more serious note, I hope the Saturday playing time doesnt have an effect on the game... JT has played friday night at 7:30 all season... so hopefully that won't make them start out slow.... JT needs to jump up and get a leas quick... and after that, just give em that slow death with a steady dosage of Black and Chancellor!!!

[SleeperG]

Jt is gonna beat KC!!!! :D:p
Call it then, and we'll check back Saturday evening. There is a thread for scores.

[CO99JTHS]

I hope your just kidding because if this is true you may not be able to hold Collins under 40 points.

If KC has enough possessions to put up 40 on us with a ball control offense...JT WILL drop a double nick (55) on the oh so proud KC "D". If you all get 40 points, trust me, you played the wrong type of game to even stay competitive. Aim for 24-28 and you'll have a good chance to beat us. Lee basically dominated us and only put up 28..but we spotted them 21 and were def. well on our way to catch them.

[CuJo iS BaCk]

Heh, heh...you just think you guys are under the radar. I've been keeping my beedie little eyes on blue Lions. Defense does win big games in the playoffs and Klein Collins has that edge but never underestimate a rabid Cujo. I wouldn't be surprised if the Lions are victorious. Good luck to ya'll and the KC fans. :cool:

Do you remember JT in the 90s?

I think this JT team has some of that same swagger that those boys had back in the day... CUJO has been pretty much dormant since 2000 to be honest.... but in 2009 CuJo iS BaCk!!!!!!

[SleeperG]

Do you remember JT in the 90s?

I think this JT team has some of that same swagger that those boys had back in the day... CUJO has been pretty much dormant since 2000 to be honest.... but in 2009 CuJo iS BaCk!!!!!!
You see, I think that is part of JT's problem for this game. WE'RE JOHN TYLER - CUJO, ALL HAIL!!

Klein Collins has had a tough time getting recognition or their due even in Houston (they were never rated higher than 7th in the Houston area). The players are tired of getting no respect, despite what they have accomplished for the first time in the school's history. So, while they don't have swagger, they have a grim determination that they bring to every game. And that's what JT will see when they line up. Gotta get back to work.

[g_quedog]

I think you'll be surprised at the color socks our players wear :cool:

U'd be suprized at the main color of our visiting jersey's,...wait a minute,...u'll see them Sat. I'm sure they're right up your alley!

[g_quedog]

Ok...enough with the white vs. black talk. I can tell you from experience I have seen that get out of hand real quick...

Come on Rod,...no one over here is that sensitive!!!

[CuJo iS BaCk]

You see, I think that is part of JT's problem for this game. WE'RE JOHN TYLER - CUJO, ALL HAIL!!

Klein Collins has had a tough time getting recognition or their due even in Houston (they were never rated higher than 7th in the Houston area). The players are tired of getting no respect, despite what they have accomplished for the first time in the school's history. So, while they don't have swagger, they have a grim determination that they bring to every game. And that's what JT will see when they line up. Gotta get back to work.

I wonder why?

Respect is not given, it is earned... but it it definitely not earned beating up on 2-8 and 0-10 teams!!!!!

[g_quedog]

Why don't you speak proper english!

U understood what I was trying to say didn't you?

[SleeperG]

I wonder why?

Respect is not given, it is earned... but it it definitely not earned beating up on 2-8 and 0-10 teams!!!!!
Yeah, like JT didn't play 2-8 and 1-9 teams ... and a 4A?:rolleyes:

In any case, we have already done strength of schedule. I have attempted to introduce two new topics, coaching and player attitudes (swagger v. determination). So are we going for some new smack or is this just going to be a rehash of this weekend.

C'mon JT backers, let's hope your team does a better job on the field than you're doing on this thread. And remember, quantity smack is not the same as quality smack.

[EagleMom]

Good luck JT represent 11-5A!!!:notworthy

[jimmycrackcorn]

I wonder why?

Respect is not given, it is earned... but it it definitely not earned beating up on 2-8 and 0-10 teams!!!!!

You strength of schedule maniacs do know that preseason means absolutely nothing right? TWHS beat the all mighty Katy but where are they now? Nothing matters until district starts.

[ROD LEE]

Yeah, like JT didn't play 2-8 and 1-9 teams ... and a 4A?:rolleyes:

In any case, we have already done strength of schedule. I have attempted to introduce two new topics, coaching and player attitudes (swagger v. determination). So are we going for some new smack or is this just going to be a rehash of this weekend.

C'mon JT backers, let's hope your team does a better job on the field than you're doing on this thread. And remember, quantity smack is not the same as quality smack.JT played two 4A's this season. I'm going to make an attempt at submitting a new topic for dicussion. The JT coaches are young at their positions. HC is in his third year and has been with the program for 7 years. OC has been with the program for 2 years. DC is in his second or third year and has been with the program for 7 years. Overall, they have done a good job heading a program from 1-9 to 3 rounds deep. The wheels carrying this season are the 32 seniors on the team. The offensive side consists of 8 seniors and 3 juniors. Ironically, JT's most impressive offensive weapon is making his varsity debut as a senior. Defensively, JT starts 8 seniors, 2 juniors, and a sophomore. The JT defense has surrendered an above average point total for this time of the season but they have made stops when needed. The key to this team is the ability of JT's offense to put points on the board. IF KC defense can contain the JT offense, JT fans could witness a repeat of the TyLee game. IF JT can move the ball, KC offense will have to work to keep up.

[SleeperG]

JT played two 4A's this season. I'm going to make an attempt at submitting a new topic for dicussion. The JT coaches are young at their positions. HC is in his third year and has been with the program for 7 years. OC has been with the program for 2 years. DC is in his second or third year and has been with the program for 7 years. Overall, they have done a good job heading a program from 1-9 to 3 rounds deep. The wheels carrying this season are the 32 seniors on the team. The offensive side consists of 8 seniors and 3 juniors. Ironically, JT's most impressive offensive weapon is making his varsity debut as a senior. Defensively, JT starts 8 seniors, 2 juniors, and a sophomore. The JT defense has surrendered an above average point total for this time of the season but they have made stops when needed. The key to this team is the ability of JT's offense to put points on the board. IF KC defense can contain the JT offense, JT fans could witness a repeat of the TyLee game. IF JT can move the ball, KC offense will have to work to keep up.
Insightful commentary. YEAAAA!!

I had noted that your coaching staff was relatively new, as is ours. It would seem that JT's and KC's coaching staffs have greatly improved the teams such that both have played above pre-season expectations. Have to say that KC's D is much younger, as they start two sophs and three juniors.

You mention that Johnson is making his varsity debut as a senior. What's up with that? Was he recruited or did he play the other side of the ball?

[kalanj]

SleeperG he's not talking about Johnson because he is a 2 year starter, he is talking about Ricky Collins the awesome receiver.

[jimmycrackcorn]

Insightful commentary. YEAAAA!!

I had noted that your coaching staff was relatively new, as is ours. It would seem that JT's and KC's coaching staffs have greatly improved the teams such that both have played above pre-season expectations. Have to say that KC's D is much younger, as they start two sophs and three juniors.

You mention that Johnson is making his varsity debut as a senior. What's up with that? Was he recruited or did he play the other side of the ball?

We actually start 3 sophmores and 2 juniors.

[ROD LEE]

Insightful commentary. YEAAAA!!

I had noted that your coaching staff was relatively new, as is ours. It would seem that JT's and KC's coaching staffs have greatly improved the teams such that both have played above pre-season expectations. Have to say that KC's D is much younger, as they start two sophs and three juniors.

You mention that Johnson is making his varsity debut as a senior. What's up with that? Was he recruited or did he play the other side of the ball?We all knew what Johnson could do coming into the season but we had no idea about Collins. He was the starting QB for the JV last year and has blossomed into a pretty good receiver for Johnson.

[SleeperG]

We all knew what Johnson could do coming into the season but we had no idea about Collins. He was the starting QB for the JV last year and has blossomed into a pretty good receiver for Johnson.
Jacob Bennett has been our leading receiver, such as it were, given our running attack. He runs our wildcat and is capable of passing as well. Very quick and elusive when he has the ball in his hands. He ran the wildcat for a series (uintil we fumbled in the wet weather). I imagine you will be seeing a fair amount of him.

[Favpack]

Ya'll need to move on to stadium advantage, who travels better, better band, weather advantage - everything else has been covered here.

:D

[jimmycrackcorn]

KC travels pretty good, we had a full house against Leander last week, our band, i hate to say because i have a daughter in band, just does not understand their importance in these big games. But our fans are pretty faithful and i expect a above average crowd in Waco this weekend.

[KCTigerfan]

Ya'll need to move on to stadium advantage, who travels better, better band, weather advantage - everything else has been covered here.

:D
It seems KC fills up the stadium where ever we go. I hear that Waco Stadium is very nice. We have played in 3 games with rain, and have only had 2 fumbles in those games.

[CCDawgs]

It seems KC fills up the stadium where ever we go. I hear that Waco Stadium is very nice. We have played in 3 games with rain, and have only had 2 fumbles in those games.

Its tough to fill up a side of Waco ISD but everyone that is attending the game will be impressed with the stadium. Simple parking, great concessions, and the seatsput you right ontop of the action!

[SHBR]

KC travels pretty good, we had a full house against Leander last week, our band, i hate to say because i have a daughter in band, just does not understand their importance in these big games. But our fans are pretty faithful and i expect a above average crowd in Waco this weekend.

First off I have to say that we have a pretty good band, that is when they stay the whole game! The band director does not understand the game of football. She will have the band playing when we are on O. She needs to learn to have them play when the other team is out there tring to make calls. I have to give it to the KF band because they get real loud when they are out on D!

[ROD LEE]

Waco ISD, most of the JT fans have been here before and ALL have some memorable moments. With the game being played on a Saturday and TyLee playing after JT, I expect a large crowd. JT's seniors were freshman the last time JT played here in 2006 so it won't be much of an advantage for the players being it's their first game here. A few of the JT coaches were assistants in 2006 but I doubt if they want to remember that game. Overall, it's a perfect place to play if you have to play away from home. JT hadn't played in any rain games, unless the drizzle last week counts. JT's band is small but they play hard. They used to be the same way, playing when the team was on offense. Now, I think he's gotten it right. They can be long winded in the second half when the assistant takes over. He keeps them blowing after halftime which is something new for the fans and the players but it's a welcomed change from previous years. It doesn't get any better than the third round of the playoffs...well maybe...playing right before Christmas unless your team is defending Katy's V-formation.

[99cujo]

Nope, it is a shotgun spread type of offense with zone read option type of stuff. With some counters and powers thrown in there, we also throw the ball quite efficiently we just choose not to in some games, though i don't know why, We have a great receiver # 9, don't remember what his name is but he is one heck of an athlete.That the type of offense we have problem with .......our Lb better suck it up and read or this will be a long nite for us IMOP

[SleeperG]

While I don't recommend, condone, or bet on high school games (heck, on any games, except for the March Madness pool I participate in), it would appear that Vegas currently believes Klein Collins to be a 11.5 point dog.

I see that happening only if JT gets to play the style of game to which they are accustomed. It's KC defense that needs to disrupt that tendency and turn it into the type of game KC can win. I guess Vegas truly believes that defense does not make a difference on the high school level. I think they're wrong.

I would certainly take KC and the points and am looking for an outright KC win.:D

And don't get me started on bands.

[rodjohns]

For the record the Klein Forest Band is the loudest in the Country if you are anywhere near the the KF goalline..everytime it happens I cant stop laughing because it is so loud and obnoxious. PJ said he could not hear any of the cadence and just had to move on the ball. The KC Band was loud and the fans were packed into all the games. Klein Band is finaly getting it. They play loud when we are on D and defending the redzone...Lufkin was also very loud.

There, I added some comentary that was a lil different and something other than my normal 13-5A is awesome.

[smw358]

For the record the Klein Forest Band is the loudest in the Country if you are anywhere near the the KF goalline..everytime it happens I cant stop laughing because it is so loud and obnoxious. PJ said he could not hear any of the cadence and just had to move on the ball. The KC Band was loud and the fans were packed into all the games. Klein Band is finaly getting it. They play loud when we are on D and defending the redzone...Lufkin was also very loud.

There, I added some comentary that was a lil different and something other than my normal 13-5A is awesome.

I beg to differ.......the Allen band last year at Reliant Center was unbelievably loud......:Music Heck....it took em almost an hour to march in and get seated. That is the largest and loudest band I have ever seen and or heard!

[SleeperG]

I beg to differ.......the Allen band last year at Reliant Center was unbelievably loud......:Music Heck....it took em almost an hour to march in and get seated. That is the largest and loudest band I have ever seen and or heard!
What, are we doing this again, comparing a band who will not be in Waco on Saturday with one who will be there? Oh, wait, that was players, but just as inane.

OK, since people want to talk bands (your fault FavPack), I am leaving myself open for attacks by band parents from both sides:

The "Marching" competition routine that each band goes through at half time is generally a combination of stroll to a spot and play music that makes an attempt to sound like a concert band. And all the percussion (marching marimbas)?? And, (here it goes) the worst part is having to sit through your own band's same routine at least 7 times.:eek:

To me the epitome of a marching band is one that plays while doing a diagonal, four-way cross-through without leaving a body on the field. As for playing music during the game, most band directors and bands do not know how to vary volume to allow their own team to hear themselves when on the field.

Before you condemn me entirely, I was a high school and college bandsman, so I know from whence I speak. So, let the pummeling begin.

[SleeperG]

BTW, anyone know who is the Home team in this round?

[Favpack]

IMO Waco ISD is one of the better 10,000 seat stadiums in Texas - I've enjoyed every game there I've been to.

[Jayhawker]

IMO Waco ISD is one of the better 10,000 seat stadiums in Texas - I've enjoyed every game there I've been to.

I agree...it is my second favorite (HS) behind Berry Center. The Waco ISD Stadium has great sight lines!

[ROD LEE]

BTW, anyone know who is the Home team in this round?Heard you guys are home. I also saw it on the KC school website.

[jimmycrackcorn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1VHSeKgj_0

Watch this and tell me it doesn't give you goosebumps

[CO99JTHS]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1VHSeKgj_0

Watch this and tell me it doesn't give you goosebumps

WOW!!! It almost looked as if you all had played decent competition...that is until the actual video portion came on lol. Oh, and I didn't see one highlight of you all tackling anyone from John Tyler? Good presentation but I'd lose the video footage, keep the still photos..their more "goosebumpish" :D

[SHBR]

Dang thats pretty lagit!

[SHBR]

WOW!!! It almost looked as if you all had played decent competition...that is until the actual video portion came on lol. Oh, and I didn't see one highlight of you all tackling anyone from John Tyler? Good presentation but I'd lose the video footage, keep the still photos..their more "goosebumpish" :D

That one team (Klein) is going to the 3rd round! And by the way were saving the JT highlights for the next tape! haha

[CCDawgs]

That one team (Klein) is going to the 3rd round! And by the way were saving the JT highlights for the next tape! haha

Salute to you, Mr. Playoff Poster.

[ROD LEE]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1VHSeKgj_0

Watch this and tell me it doesn't give you goosebumpsAnytime a team is 12-0 it gives you some concern. I've seen several highlights since Sunday and I'm still saying this will be a tough game for JT. KC shows they are fully capable of making the big play against JT's defense. I didn't see much of the KC defense so I can't make a call on that matchup ONLY because I'm not a betting man. KC has some size no doubt but JT has been outsized all year. Like Coach Rush says, "we're undersized for 5A and any other A", I think 3A Gilmer's O-Line is bigger than JT's. Again I say, IF JT can't move the ball against KC top shelf defense, this may be their last week of practice.

[SleeperG]

Klein Collins has been in the playoffs once before (one and done), but this year, the fans have been really following the team and have generally outnumbered the home team on our away games.

Given that JT is closer to Waco, and the CUJO mystique, I certainly hope that you folks show and represent. It almost gets old outnumbering and being louder than the other side.;)

[SleeperG]

Salute to you, Mr. Playoff Poster.
Gotta admit, you nailed it!:rolleyes:

[CCDawgs]

Gotta admit, you nailed it!:rolleyes:

We were all there one time!! Oh yeah, I didnt do you.

Salute to you, Mr. Playoff Poster.

[ROD LEE]

Klein Collins has been in the playoffs once before (one and done), but this year, the fans have been really following the team and have generally outnumbered the home team on our away games.

Given that JT is closer to Waco, and the CUJO mystique, I certainly hope that you folks show and represent. It almost gets old outnumbering and being louder than the other side.;)JT fans travel well, especially to Waco on a Saturday. In East Texas, football is KING. Look for a large crowd but some of the fans are rusty, it's been a long time since JT has played this far. I can tell you, the JT community is excited and the gas tanks are full. We had two fan buses chartering to LH and it may get up to three this week.

[KOfb92]

Does anyone know if Mike Rozier has been attending the playoff games to watch Jamichael?

[g_quedog]

Good luck JT represent 11-5A!!!:notworthy

Thanks for all your class EagleMom,...until next year!!!

[SleeperG]

JT fans travel well, especially to Waco on a Saturday. In East Texas, football is KING. Look for a large crowd but some of the fans are rusty, it's been a long time since JT has played this far. I can tell you, the JT community is excited and the gas tanks are full. We had two fan buses chartering to LH and it may get up to three this week.
It's discouraging when you try to lay down some smack and what you get in return is measured, reasonable responses. ROD LEE, your comments and assessment of the upcoming game have been fair and unfailingly polite. Thanks.

BUT, what I am looking for is the CUJO follower who somehow believes that this is a return to the glory days of JT. The ones who somehow think that your success to date and history is a guarantee of victory. I WANT SMACK TALKERS. You JT fanatics can do better than this. Or maybe not.:cool:

[smw358]

For the record the Klein Forest Band is the loudest in the Country if you are anywhere near the the KF goalline..everytime it happens I cant stop laughing because it is so loud and obnoxious. PJ said he could not hear any of the cadence and just had to move on the ball. The KC Band was loud and the fans were packed into all the games. Klein Band is finaly getting it. They play loud when we are on D and defending the redzone...Lufkin was also very loud.

There, I added some comentary that was a lil different and something other than my normal 13-5A is awesome.

I beg to differ.......the Allen band last year at Reliant Center was unbelievably loud......:Music Heck....it took em almost an hour to march in and get seated. That is the largest and loudest band I have ever seen and or heard!

What, are we doing this again, comparing a band who will not be in Waco on Saturday with one who will be there? Oh, wait, that was players, but just as inane.

OK, since people want to talk bands (your fault FavPack), I am leaving myself open for attacks by band parents from both sides:

The "Marching" competition routine that each band goes through at half time is generally a combination of stroll to a spot and play music that makes an attempt to sound like a concert band. And all the percussion (marching marimbas)?? And, (here it goes) the worst part is having to sit through your own band's same routine at least 7 times.:eek:

To me the epitome of a marching band is one that plays while doing a diagonal, four-way cross-through without leaving a body on the field. As for playing music during the game, most band directors and bands do not know how to vary volume to allow their own team to hear themselves when on the field.

Before you condemn me entirely, I was a high school and college bandsman, so I know from whence I speak. So, let the pummeling begin.

Wut?..........I was commenting on RJ's statement about the loudest band in the country. You may know bands......but you can't or won't read correctly.....:rolleyes:

[xray10]

i think kc will play keep away with a ball control offense and limit the jtj possessions.
kc wins this one 31-27.
look for kc and bowie in the semi-finals.

[smw358]

i think kc will play keep away with a ball control offense and limit the jtj possessions.
kc wins this one 31-27.
look for kc and bowie in the semi-finals.

I think KC's Defense has their best day ever.......JT will not know who or what hit em......;) KC in a decisive victory.......GO TIGERS!

[CO99JTHS]

It's discouraging when you try to lay down some smack and what you get in return is measured, reasonable responses. ROD LEE, your comments and assessment of the upcoming game have been fair and unfailingly polite. Thanks.

BUT, what I am looking for is the CUJO follower who somehow believes that this is a return to the glory days of JT. The ones who somehow think that your success to date and history is a guarantee of victory. I WANT SMACK TALKERS. You JT fanatics can do better than this. Or maybe not.:cool:

Nope, we just actually know a worthy foe when we see one. Respect is given when respect is earned and at 12-0 you all have our respect. We'll know all by 5 p.m Saturday. The LH's high is now gone, so we're looking for a fix...so, just try not to be that....and hope your 12-0 wasn't a fluke or it'll show early. Around midnite Saturday, this so called "smack" thread could be a little unbearable for you, buddy. :D

[CO99JTHS]

If it gets into the 30 point range, the smart money would be one JT. Just saying. KC'S best chance to win this game would be to score around 17-24 points, and to have a defensive effort that would make the 85' Bears jealous. This offense is 21 points from being the most prolific offense in JT's storied history. 21 points is what you all vow that your D will not give up. I say JT makes history this Saturday, any takers?

[KCTigerfan]

If it gets into the 30 point range, the smart money would be one JT. Just saying. KC'S best chance to win this game would be to score around 17-24 points, and to have a defensive effort that would make the 85' Bears jealous. This offense is 21 points from being the most prolific offense in JT's storied history. 21 points is what you all vow that your D will not give up. I say JT makes history this Saturday, any takers?
One more reason to hold JT to 20 points or less...

[Jayhawker]

If it gets into the 30 point range, the smart money would be one JT. Just saying. KC'S best chance to win this game would be to score around 17-24 points, and to have a defensive effort that would make the 85' Bears jealous. This offense is 21 points from being the most prolific offense in JT's storied history. 21 points is what you all vow that your D will not give up. I say JT makes history this Saturday, any takers?

it will take a HELL of an effort to keep Cujo under the 21 mark...I am rooting for Collins but think TJT will pull this one out.

[g_quedog]

If it gets into the 30 point range, the smart money would be one JT. Just saying. KC'S best chance to win this game would be to score around 17-24 points, and to have a defensive effort that would make the 85' Bears jealous. This offense is 21 points from being the most prolific offense in JT's storied history. 21 points is what you all vow that your D will not give up. I say JT makes history this Saturday, any takers?

:notworthy:notworthy

I'm with u on that one 99!!!

Not only are they 21 points away from history but the QB is less than 100yds away from being JT's ALL-TIME LEADING RUSHER!!!

Plus, Chancellor one of the main RB's, is over 30yds away from hitting the 1000yd mark for the season & get thissssss,...ON LESS THAN 150 CARRIES!!!

[JAD59]

I saw JT on film, they do look fast and talented on offense. It will take a monumental effort by the KC defense to slow JT down.

[SleeperG]

Nope, we just actually know a worthy foe when we see one. Respect is given when respect is earned and at 12-0 you all have our respect. We'll know all by 5 p.m Saturday. The LH's high is now gone, so we're looking for a fix...so, just try not to be that....and hope your 12-0 wasn't a fluke or it'll show early. Around midnite Saturday, this so called "smack" thread could be a little unbearable for you, buddy. :D
Nope, the smack will have been worth it. If KC winds up entering Pearland1's Losers Lounge, JT will get the credit it is due. But just to let you know, I called ahead for a reservation in JT's name.:D

[ROD LEE]

Nope, the smack will have been worth it. If KC winds up entering Pearland1's Losers Lounge, JT will get the credit it is due. But just to let you know, I called ahead for a reservation in JT's name.:DTell them CUjO sent you and you'll get a complimentary mug of Blue Polly Pop with an umbrella. Is that smacky enough?