Worst Officiated Super Bowl Ever! [Archive]

Sacred Ground

02-05-2006, 09:32 PM

The refs were horrible. Missed several calls and had many BIG calls that went AGAINST Seattle and all were questionable or wrong. That holding call that nullified Seattle's completion inside the 5 was the worst of them all...

Seattle made a bunch of mistakes too; dropped balls, missed field goals, poor clock management, but I still think a bad day by the officials cost them the game...
I am in 100% agreement. Very poor calls made by the refs. The Steelers should thank the refs for killing Seahawk drives that would have resulted in points. I hate to see the refs play apart in the outcome of a game.

Drake

02-05-2006, 09:36 PM

Sour grapes. It wasn't that bad. The offensive INT in the endzone was the only questionable call IMO and they got it right... just kinda ticky tack.Not sour grapes because I was leaning towards Pittsburg. Just objectivity. Did you see Seattle's pass down to the 2 yard line early in the 4th quarter that got called back for holding? Madden said there was no holding? What about the catch in the first quarter that that the Pittsburg guy knocked loose? That was clearly a fumble. What about hasselbeck tackle they called an illegal block on? LOL

Sacred Ground

02-05-2006, 09:48 PM

cant make excuses..but the ref's could of possibly altered this game..
Their bad calls did alter this game.

AllenEagle06

02-05-2006, 09:57 PM

The first TD by the Steelers was not a TD IMO. The ball never crossed the goal line and it would have been 4th and inches after that. Other calls were questionable as well.

bowiedawgs01

02-05-2006, 10:06 PM

For whatever reason, the League loves Pittsburgh. I don't know why. They got a few gifts tonight.

slorch

02-05-2006, 10:24 PM

For some reason, I couldn't get fired up about this game. I honestly enjoyed the condoms VS the steers in the Rose Bowl so much more.
What was interesting about the game tonight? I did see Mick Jagger's geriatric *** fall behind out of breath on his own damn song!!!

Boring!!!

Favpack

02-05-2006, 10:28 PM

Sour grapes. It wasn't that bad. The offensive INT in the endzone was the only questionable call IMO and they got it right... just kinda ticky tack.
You're joking, right? Refer to my thread. The refs won this game for the Stillers - pathetic. And, I honestly could have cared less who won - and I'm not a whiner.

Easily the worst Super Bowl I've seen, not including the refs. Pitt. had a trick play, one great run by Parker and one great pass by Ben - that's it. Again, the MVP trophy goes to the men in black and.....white - not gold. You'll never see these clowns in a playoff game again let alone a big game - what a disgrace.

jtk1519

02-06-2006, 08:36 AM

Did you see Seattle's pass down to the 2 yard line early in the 4th quarter that got called back for holding? Madden said there was no holding? What about the catch in the first quarter that that the Pittsburg guy knocked loose? That was clearly a fumble. What about hasselbeck tackle they called an illegal block on? LOL

Madden said he didn't see the holding call from the camera angle they showed in the one and only replay they showed. Even Al Michaels was quick to point it out. Watch it again live and it is a very obvious hold.

As for Hasselback's illegal block, again... ticky tack, but still legit. All Hasselback did was throw his body in the direction of the defender. He did make the tackle, but not before his body hit a defender below the waist... hence the penalty. Again, rewatch it live and it is very obvious. If that hadn't been called, people would be on this board whining because the zebras didn't call an illegal block.

Their bad calls did alter this game.

Seattle's atrocious clock management and inability to cover the primary WR on a reverse pass option altered the game.

The first TD by the Steelers was not a TD IMO. The ball never crossed the goal line and it would have been 4th and inches after that. Other calls were questionable as well.

That was the least questionable call of them all. Only one microscopic part of the ball has to break the plain at any point for it to be a TD. The tip of the ball was a good couple of inches over the goal line while Big Ben was in the air. Obvious TD... no question about it.

You're joking, right? Refer to my thread. The refs won this game for the Stillers - pathetic. And, I honestly could have cared less who won - and I'm not a whiner.

Easily the worst Super Bowl I've seen, not including the refs. Pitt. had a trick play, one great run by Parker and one great pass by Ben - that's it. Again, the MVP trophy goes to the men in black and.....white - not gold. You'll never see these clowns in a playoff game again let alone a big game - what a disgrace.

Blah, blah, blah. Not the best officiating I have ever seen and probably not up to par for the Superbowl, but to say they gave the game to Pitt is about as ludicrous a statement as there is. The zebras didn't cause Stevens to drop all of his wide open passes. The zebras didn't make Seattle blow the coverage on Hines. The zebras didn't make Seattle miss the tackles on Parker’s 75 yard run. The zebras didn't make Settle miss two very makeable FGs. The Zebras didn't make Seattle run the two minute drill like a special olympics pop warner team.

I didn't really care much about this game, but it did expose two things I knew two weeks ago... The Steelers are a good team and were not given near the respect they deserved and Seattle was overrated and had no business being in this game. The joke is that the NFL let the NFC send a team to this game. Seattle didn't belong there and were overrated... the refs had nothing to do with that.

KT2000

02-06-2006, 08:44 AM

I didn't have a rooting interest in the game and thought the refs were extremely bad and slanted towards the Steelers. It was obvious in my opinion. I honestly don't care what the refs do normally as long as they do it both ways. I don't think that happened last night. Nearly everyone I've heard comment on the game that's not a Steelers fan (or Seahawks for that matter) feels the same way.

Drake

02-06-2006, 10:42 AM

I didn't really care much about this game, but it did expose two things I knew two weeks ago... The Steelers are a good team and were not given near the respect they deserved and Seattle was overrated and had no business being in this game. The joke is that the NFL let the NFC send a team to this game. Seattle didn't belong there and were overrated... the refs had nothing to do with that.This paragraph discredited your entire post. How can you say the Steelers weren't respected? They were 4 point favorites... How can you say Seattle didn't belong? They dominated statistically... I agree that Seattle brought on many of their own problems, but they did get the worst end of the offciating and the calls against them were crucial enough that it could have made a difference in the outcome...

AZTiger

02-06-2006, 10:43 AM

Question...

How do you get called for an illegal block, when your team doesn't even have the ball?

Favpack

02-06-2006, 10:50 AM

Question...

How do you get called for an illegal block, when your team doesn't even have the ball?

Let's all say it together - and slowly

R-E-T-A-R-D-E-D

JTK is simply wrong here. He has some kind of a pro-Steeler or anti-Seahawk beef that has blinded him to the obvious.

Pearland1

02-06-2006, 02:18 PM

The seahawks got robbed!!!!! The steelers did not have one holding call thats bull. The Refers ruin the game for me. BIG BEN GAY did not make it over the goal line everyone knows that.

Favpack

02-06-2006, 02:22 PM

I finally found one national coverage guy that didn't have a major Zebra problem - Peter King with SI - and he desperately wants to go work for the NFL network - and we all know you can't knock officials on the NFL network.

Every other national talking head today led their analysis off with how terrible the refs were.

pack0808

02-06-2006, 02:47 PM

For whatever reason, the League loves Pittsburgh. I don't know why. They got a few gifts tonight.

Did you miss the Colts vs Steelers game a few weeks ago? They are hardly in love with Pitt. Just the way it goes. Sometimes you get the calls and sometimes you do not. Most of the calls were subjective and could have went either way. The only clearly bad call to me was the call on the Seattle qb. Not game changing at all though. The Steelers still would have had the ball.

pack0808

02-06-2006, 02:50 PM

The seahawks got robbed!!!!! The steelers did not have one holding call thats bull. The Refers ruin the game for me. BIG BEN GAY did not make it over the goal line everyone knows that.

Ben is 27-4 as a starter call him what you want. The steelers would have scored on the next play even if they did give them the ball at the 1 inch yardline. The Steelers won fair and square. Holding can be called on any play and Madden is not God. Questionable holding calls happen every single game.

TexasHSFootball

02-06-2006, 03:23 PM

And the Rolling Stones and the NFL Officiating Crew still stinks!

Favpack

02-06-2006, 03:39 PM

Did you miss the Colts vs Steelers game a few weeks ago? They are hardly in love with Pitt. Just the way it goes. Sometimes you get the calls and sometimes you do not. Most of the calls were objective and could have went either way. The only clearly bad call to me was the call on the Seattle qb. Not game changing at all though. The Steelers still would have had the ball.

Pack0808 - you can thank Joey Porter's comments after that Colts game for planting this seed that the league wants a team to win. Here were my comments after the Colts/Steelers game:

- Were it not for 2-3 terrrible calls - calls that make you wonder if the head ref - Maconelli or whatever the heck his name is - is not the mayor of Indy - the game would have not even been close. The reversal of Polamalo's pick is the single worst reversal I've ever seen in my life.

The bottom line is the refs were horrendous in several games - and the Super Bowl was the worst - the absolute worst. What makes these calls so bad is because 3 of the blown calls resulted in POINTS being put on the board or taken away. I originally said 28 points - that would be a max - but a MINIMUM would be 11 - that's a HUGE swing. The fact that every single bad call was against Seattle is why the outrage call is going on.

Polamalu's pick was a terrible reversal - but it did not put up or take away points that were on the board.

Anyway -- celebrate it up man - the Steelers certainly are deserving based on their road to the title - congrats.

pack0808

02-06-2006, 04:28 PM

Pearland1

02-06-2006, 05:03 PM

no team has ever won the super bowl with less time control of the ball and also yards. first time ever with the help of the refers!!!!

Tut

02-06-2006, 05:26 PM

Most of Seattle's problems were self inflicted. Yes, the refs did assist with questionable calls. Dropped passes, missed field goals, and poor clock management, however, were the Seahawks own doing. I didn't care who won, just hoped for a better game.

jtk1519

02-06-2006, 06:20 PM

This paragraph discredited your entire post. How can you say the Steelers weren't respected? They were 4 point favorites... How can you say Seattle didn't belong? They dominated statistically... I agree that Seattle brought on many of their own problems, but they did get the worst end of the offciating and the calls against them were crucial enough that it could have made a difference in the outcome...

Ummm... They were the #6 seed in their own conference and were underdogs in every game except the Superbowl when they were only 4 point favorites. I can go post the definition of underrated if you want, but that pretty much explains it right there.

The only reason Seattle had good numbers was because of the division they play in (excuse me for not being impressed with multiple wins over freakin' St. Louis, Arizona and San Francisco). Seattle should have put up good numbers considering the crappy teams they played.

Favpack

02-06-2006, 07:02 PM

Ummm... They were the #6 seed in their own conference and were underdogs in every game except the Superbowl when they were only 4 point favorites. I can go post the definition of underrated if you want, but that pretty much explains it right there.

The only reason Seattle had good numbers was because of the division they play in (excuse me for not being impressed with multiple wins over freakin' St. Louis, Arizona and San Francisco). Seattle should have put up good numbers considering the crappy teams they played.

You basically are arguing with yourself. Huge difference between being under-rated and disrespected. Pitt. was a no. 6 seed because of their record, nothing more and nothing less -has nothing to do with respect. Las Vegas made Pitt. a 4 point favorite - that sums it up and says it all. You've been listening to Big Ben and Joey too long.

Favpack

02-06-2006, 07:11 PM

Oh i am enjoying it and i am not going to let people that say the refs won it bother me anymore. Well i will still argue. The Steelers earned this championship and nobody gave it top them. A blown call is a obvious play like the Polamalu interception in the Colt's game or the PI when the guy was mauled. Most of the calls yesterday were subjective calls like holding or the slight push off on the PI call that is ticky tack but by rule is a foul. Big difference to me. You forget that the Steelers had several chances to be up more. Ben threw an unusual pick at the 5. It is all on how you look at it. Great teams over come refs. Refs have bad days. The Steelers did it vs the Colt's just a few weeks ago. Great teams find a way to win no matter what the refs call. I honestly think the best team won here no question. The Steelers played horrible and still won by 11. I think they would win 9 if they played 10 times.

Pack - you're killin' me - I'm glad we're on the same side from Sept. to December my man. The Roethlisberger non-td TD was a blown call. So, they don't get it and go for it on 4th down? Well, maybe the Bus loses another yard like he did on 2nd down - who knows. No more or less a blown call than the Polamalu pick - both were sucky calls - BUT that play resulted in points given - the pick did not.

Same for the non-holding call. The difference from that and Randle-El being interefered with is because Stevens caught the ball on the 1/2 yard line! AND - you admit the td they took away was ticky-tack. That's 18 points right there - 7 taken away; 7 given; and 7 taken away but converted to a fg.

And, as I said - I'm simply echoing what every single pundit, expert and talking head today stated - the refs stunk; they did have a bearing on the game unfortunately because so many plays were td/non-td plays, and, most importantly the NFL should do something to keep it from happening again - i.e. - full-time refs.

Slim-Rob

02-06-2006, 07:42 PM

Slim-Rob

02-06-2006, 07:44 PM

Pack - you're killin' me - I'm glad we're on the same side from Sept. to December my man. The Roethlisberger non-td TD was a blown call. So, they don't get it and go for it on 4th down? Well, maybe the Bus loses another yard like he did on 2nd down - who knows. No more or less a blown call than the Polamalu pick - both were sucky calls - BUT that play resulted in points given - the pick did not.

Same for the non-holding call. The difference from that and Randle-El being interefered with is because Stevens caught the ball on the 1/2 yard line! AND - you admit the td they took away was ticky-tack. That's 18 points right there - 7 taken away; 7 given; and 7 taken away but converted to a fg.

And, as I said - I'm simply echoing what every single pundit, expert and talking head today stated - the refs stunk; they did have a bearing on the game unfortunately because so many plays were td/non-td plays, and, most importantly the NFL should do something to keep it from happening again - i.e. - full-time refs.

There is not one angle that clearly shows whether the ball crosses the plain or not, and since the touchdown was already called, it was not going to be overturned.

Favpack

02-06-2006, 08:14 PM

Part of football is working through adversity. If you can't overcome the refs, you don't deserve to win. All the calls were very tough, but they were correct. Big Ben scored, that was pass interference, that was holding. The one that wasn't right was when they threw a flag on Hasselbeck for a low block or whatever it was, when he was trying to tackle someone.

Rocket - I think the commissioner has a PR job for you. I'm not arguing great teams overcome officiating - I'm saying the officials were terrible and because they were so bad on so many critical calls - it had a bearing on the game. If the officials had simply let the guys play - the score would have been different. How different? Only Kreskin knows because they pulled their hankies on every key play. Can it be anymore obvious. If you're wondering the outcome - then the zebras had a bearing on the game my friend.

There is not a single non-Steeler fan that agrees with you on the pi and holding calls - not one. And, on the pi call the official pulls out his flag ONLY after the db lobbies for a few ticks! How bad do you want your officials to be in a Super Bowl? Is this what it's come to -- You have to cry for a few seconds before they pull out their hankies? Same thing on the Ben td - the side judge goes running in with a clinched fist (signaling 4th down) - then signals td after Ben sticks the ball back out over the goal line. I mean c'mon -- that's bush league. The Arena League deserves better than that.

jtk1519

02-06-2006, 08:17 PM

You basically are arguing with yourself. Huge difference between being under-rated and disrespected. Pitt. was a no. 6 seed because of their record, nothing more and nothing less -has nothing to do with respect. Las Vegas made Pitt. a 4 point favorite - that sums it up and says it all. You've been listening to Big Ben and Joey too long.

Yes, but the two (being underrated and a lack of respect) are inherently connected as as one plays off the other. Respect is formed and based in large part based on rankings. Alter one and you alter both. Obviously, the rankings are a static and calculated measurement void of emotion, but the respect that is formed based on those rankings is not. The two are tied together. Because of that, the terms "underrated" and "disrespected" are interchangeable in my opinion.

jtk1519

02-06-2006, 08:26 PM

There is not one angle that clearly shows whether the ball crosses the plain or not, and since the touchdown was already called, it was not going to be overturned.

Um, yeah... there is. The goal line angle clearly shows the tip of the ball and Ben's elbow over the front of the white line when his body is still a good foot or two in the air. At that point he was pushed back and when he hit the ground the ball was a couple of inches shy of the goal line, but that doesn't matter. Once any part of the ball... no matter how small... breaks the plain, it's a TD regardless of what happens after. I really don't see the fuss here. That was clearly a TD and by far the least controversial call of the night.

Some of you guys crack me up whining about the zebras in this game. NEWSFLASH: The refs have sucked all year long. Need we remind anyone of the massive screw job that tried to take the game away from the Steelers and give it to Indy? What, did you suddenly expect the refs to get good all of a sudden? These guys have been blowing call after call all year long. The Superbowl performance was just par for the course. Should they have been better? Of course, but this is the best the NFL has.

Slim-Rob

02-06-2006, 08:32 PM

Rocket - I think the commissioner has a PR job for you. I'm not arguing great teams overcome officiating - I'm saying the officials were terrible and because they were so bad on so many critical calls - it had a bearing on the game. If the officials had simply let the guys play - the score would have been different. How different? Only Kreskin knows because they pulled their hankies on every key play. Can it be anymore obvious. If you're wondering the outcome - then the zebras had a bearing on the game my friend.

There is not a single non-Steeler fan that agrees with you on the pi and holding calls - not one. And, on the pi call the official pulls out his flag ONLY after the db lobbies for a few ticks! How bad do you want your officials to be in a Super Bowl? Is this what it's come to -- You have to cry for a few seconds before they pull out their hankies? Same thing on the Ben td - the side judge goes running in with a clinched fist (signaling 4th down) - then signals td after Ben sticks the ball back out over the goal line. I mean c'mon -- that's bush league. The Arena League deserves better than that.

I am a Cowboys fan. I didn't want the Steelers to get a thumb ring. Now the Cowboys have to share it with a 2nd team (49ers did it first though)

And about what you said about the ref. pulling his flag late, if you watch the replay, the ref tries to throw his flag but doesn't grab it. His arm flies out but he doesn't have a flag in his hand. He then reaches back, grabs the flag, and throws it.

Tut

02-06-2006, 10:46 PM

And about what you said about the ref. pulling his flag late, if you watch the replay, the ref tries to throw his flag but doesn't grab it. His arm flies out but he doesn't have a flag in his hand. He then reaches back, grabs the flag, and throws it.

That's right he missed the flag and the call. The receiver barely touched the db. There were incidental contact calls with a lot more contact. Still, Seattle screwed up enough on their own to cost them the game.

CoppellCowboy57

02-07-2006, 12:44 AM

ive seen the refs at other games at diffrent times during the past few seasons...I have to say most of the time there on the ball...but being natural for this superbowl i have to say the refs were blind...

Favpack

02-07-2006, 09:14 AM

Um, yeah... there is. The goal line angle clearly shows the tip of the ball and Ben's elbow over the front of the white line when his body is still a good foot or two in the air. At that point he was pushed back and when he hit the ground the ball was a couple of inches shy of the goal line, but that doesn't matter. Once any part of the ball... no matter how small... breaks the plain, it's a TD regardless of what happens after. I really don't see the fuss here. That was clearly a TD and by far the least controversial call of the night.

Some of you guys crack me up whining about the zebras in this game. NEWSFLASH: The refs have sucked all year long. Need we remind anyone of the massive screw job that tried to take the game away from the Steelers and give it to Indy? What, did you suddenly expect the refs to get good all of a sudden? These guys have been blowing call after call all year long. The Superbowl performance was just par for the course. Should they have been better? Of course, but this is the best the NFL has.

Yeah, clearly in -- hmmm, whatever.

HEY GUYS --- You need to convince BIG BEN that he got in.

Roll the tape....

Last night on Letterman, Dave asks Ben - "hey did you score on that running play?"

Big Ben - "I didn't think I got in....I told Coach Cowher later 'I don't think I made it in.'"

Sorry guys - I'm only reflecting the buzz out there. EVERYONE is talking about the terrible offiiciating - even Letterman, and EVEN Big Ben agrees they blew it.

Don't believe me - ask Ben.

Reaganrattler07

02-07-2006, 10:24 AM

If the refs were REALLY against the Seahawks, then there would've been plenty more calls against them made. Like Hasselbeck's fumble. Steven's fumble (which I thought was a fumble but they called it an inc. pass).

The officiating wasn't top tier. But it wasn't the worst ever I don't think.

Reaganrattler07

02-07-2006, 10:26 AM

I am a Cowboys fan. I didn't want the Steelers to get a thumb ring. Now the Cowboys have to share it with a 2nd team (49ers did it first though)

And about what you said about the ref. pulling his flag late, if you watch the replay, the ref tries to throw his flag but doesn't grab it. His arm flies out but he doesn't have a flag in his hand. He then reaches back, grabs the flag, and throws it.

Without looking, the ref reached down to get his flag, thought he had it in his hand and tried throwing it. It wasn't really late. As for the play....the Steeler did move back right after the 'pushed' him so I'm not sure if that was a flop or not but....thats the call.

pack0808

02-08-2006, 08:55 AM

Yeah, clearly in -- hmmm, whatever.

HEY GUYS --- You need to convince BIG BEN that he got in.

Roll the tape....

Last night on Letterman, Dave asks Ben - "hey did you score on that running play?"

Big Ben - "I didn't think I got in....I told Coach Cowher later 'I don't think I made it in.'"

Sorry guys - I'm only reflecting the buzz out there. EVERYONE is talking about the terrible offiiciating - even Letterman, and EVEN Big Ben agrees they blew it.

Don't believe me - ask Ben.

Look, I watch every Steeler game almost every year for a long time now. Even if Ben did not get in (which i think is very arguable) they would have had about a 99.9 percent chance of getting in on 4th and 1 inch. I cannot think of a time the Steelers were stopped from the 1 yard line on 4th down. They are always one of the best at goaline scoring. Big physical line and big physical backs. I promise you cowher would have went for it and i can basically guarantee they would have scored. On the supposed Seahawk td, if it was so clear then why did the Seahawks not replay it? That is their own fault. I thought he was out. The holding call subjective ( could be argued either way like almost all holding calls) and so was the PI. He pushed off no matter how slight it was. If the defender did that same thing they would have called defensive PI. The Steelers won fair and square. The Steelers had to overcome much worse and clearly bad calls vs the Colts and they still won.

Favpack

02-08-2006, 09:45 AM

Cowher said he would have gone for it on 4th down. Ben said he expected the play to be over-turned and he and the coaches were set to call HIS number again - not the Bus.

pack0808

02-08-2006, 10:06 AM

Cowher said he would have gone for it on 4th down. Ben said he expected the play to be over-turned and he and the coaches were set to call HIS number again - not the Bus.

a qb sneak is the logical call on 4th and half an inch. Basically impossible to stop! Especailly when your qb is as huge as Big Ben is.They would have scored easily.

Favpack

02-08-2006, 10:31 AM

a qb sneak is the logical call on 4th and half an inch. Basically impossible to stop! Especailly when your qb is as huge as Big Ben is.They would have scored easily.

Yes, we agree. The 1 inch plunge is almost impossible to stop, whether it's handing off to the huge rb or the sure-fire qb sneak. In fact, we guaranteed our coach we could never be stopped on 4th and inches. We think he believed us.

Sincerely,

Matt Leinart and Lendale White

:D :D :D

OILERDT54

02-08-2006, 10:51 AM

im gonna have to disagree with you on that one. on most of the penalties against seattle they showed the replay and they were all the right calls. congrats steelers

pack0808

02-08-2006, 12:05 PM

im gonna have to disagree with you on that one. on most of the penalties against seattle they showed the replay and they were all the right calls. congrats steelers

Finally a logical fan. :D You know i am teasing favpack!

dragonfootballfan

02-08-2006, 12:06 PM

im gonna have to disagree with you on that one. on most of the penalties against seattle they showed the replay and they were all the right calls. congrats steelers
so you think that it was the right call when Hasselback tackled the db and they called a block below the waist?

pack0808

02-08-2006, 12:12 PM

so you think that it was the right call when Hasselback tackled the db and they called a block below the waist?

That was the only clearly bad call i saw and Pittsburgh would have still had the ball 1st down and 10. Who is to say they would not have scored regardless? Oh you were not asking me? ;)

Favpack

02-08-2006, 02:06 PM

pack0808

02-08-2006, 09:14 PM

OK guys I've officially beat this horse to death. The NFL is officially in cover-up mode and I'm done until next summer.......bring on the Winter Olympics! We can all agree on the figure skating officials - they're just swell!

I am done too but please do not use words like cover up mode. You are playing the conspiracy theory stuff with that kind of talk. Refs are human and make questionable calls all of the time. I do not care if you disagree with some of the calls, but spare me with the NFL wanted the Steelers to win and Elvis is still alive mode. The Steelers did something never done before to even get to the SB against unbelievable odds and beat great teams like the Colt's without the beneifit of any calls. so the last thing you want to hear after your team has done something that great is that it was a huge conspiracy and it was all planned like the WWF. That is nonsense to me. I bet you would feel the same if it was your team. The Steelers earned this SB and it was not some grand conspiracy. As wide would say, that is aggy talk. Ok onto Figure skating. :eek: That just sounded to gay. How about onto hockey or speed skating.