A.P. #1 Cedar Hill vs. FM Marcus

[trainin' the game]

thoughts????

[tjw]

First I think CHill drops to #3 or #4 this week in AP polls sqeeking by unranked 5-5 Plano West.;)

As for the game CHill wins as FM Marcus is not that much better than West. CHill needs to play better or Marcus could pull an upset.

[SLC]

First I think CHill drops to #3 or #4 this week in AP polls sqeeking by unranked 5-5 Plano West.;)

As for the game CHill wins as FM Marcus is not that much better than West. CHill needs to play better or Marcus could pull an upset.


You said the same thing on the DMN blog last night, I noticed.


BTW, the AP has put out their final poll for the season. There will not be another till next seasons pre season poll.;)

[farmerfan]

Call me crazy but I am picking Marcus in the upset here. Yes some of that may be them being so close to where I grew up but I also think Cedar Hill is a great matchup for Marcus. I understand that Cedar Hill is a very good football team and has an outstanding running game but stopping the run plays to the strengths of the Marcus defense. I do not think Cedar Hill is the type of team that will light it up through the air and I think Marcus will match up well with them defensively.
The Marcus passing game is not the best in teh world but it is leaps and bounds better than it was in week 2 against Plano West and in week 4 against Katy. Marcus has a running game to match that of Cedar Hill so that should be a wash. The big thing in this one is, who can make the plays in the passing game and on special teams. I know that Marcus has a good kicker and return game, what about Cedar Hill?

I am going Marcus 31 Cedar Hill 28

[da hawaiian]

CedarHill specializes in defending power running teams. Use Lots of misdirection and
that talented TE, but they are a really bad matchup for power teams.

[tjw]

You said the same thing on the DMN blog last night, I noticed.


BTW, the AP has put out their final poll for the season. There will not be another till next seasons pre season poll.;)

Glad to see you know I'm consistent.:D

You're right about the AP polls but sure what I said will apply to others that still do them. As well as makes the one here more accurate.;):D

[farmerfan]

CedarHill specializes in defending power running teams. Use Lots of misdirection and
that talented TE, but they are a really bad matchup for power teams.

Marcus has utilized Rhett Butler and also found a new big play target in #8 Chris Martin. We did not get to see Dagan Newsome today which adds a huge play threat to the Marcus offense as well with his speed. This will be the first time since the Katy game that Marcus will be able to come out with a true 7 man front and not have to worry about being torched by a passing team. No team this year has shown an ability to trully stop the Marcus running game and they are more than just a power running team. Marcus can and will stretch it outside and hit you with some big plays.
If Marcus continues to force teams to respect Martin and Butler then the yards will come for Hopkins, Mason and possibly Newsome. Marcus fans, why did he not play today? I saw he was suited out.

[da hawaiian]

Marcus has utilized Rhett Butler and also found a new big play target in #8 Chris Martin. We did not get to see Dagan Newsome today which adds a huge play threat to the Marcus offense as well with his speed. This will be the first time since the Katy game that Marcus will be able to come out with a true 7 man front and not have to worry about being torched by a passing team. No team this year has shown an ability to trully stop the Marcus running game and they are more than just a power running team. Marcus can and will stretch it outside and hit you with some big plays.
If Marcus continues to force teams to respect Martin and Butler then the yards will come for Hopkins, Mason and possibly Newsome. Marcus fans, why did he not play today? I saw he was suited out.

You're right, if they can stretch CedarHill vertically, than their chances increase. But CedarHills DLine will control the lineofscrimmage, you can count on that

[farmerfan]

You're right, if they can stretch CedarHill vertically, than their chances increase. But CedarHills DLine will control the lineofscrimmage, you can count on that

That why I love watching this Marcus offense. Some call it boring, those who do just don't appreciate football the way its meant to be played ;) but the thing I love about them is they can stick it between the tackles and be successful and they can go outside, hit you with some counters, hit you with some sweeps and trap ya to lossen things up inside. ;)
I reall loved the counter action I saw out of Trinity this afternoon and loved the counter pass to the FB that went for 6 that play had me fooled, you know you watch the linemen and the QB rolling away from the pull, a thing of beauty. Marcus got their fullback involved more today than I have ever seen them do and sometimes those quick hitters are huge. Marcus will find a way to make their line involved in the game, yes CH might be good at stopping the run between the tackles but Marcus is pretty good in between the tackles as well. All it takes is 3-4 yards and I think marcus will avg that per run this week. Going to be a fun one.
Like I said, this is a long shot and I will be seen as crazy for going with Marcus, I just like the way their offense has been playing here of late and I am going to take my chances with them. Call this more of a gut than anything else :)

[businesstron]

Rankings don't matter at this point... but seeing FM Marcus today and hearing what happened to Cedar Hill Friday I think they'll beat FM Marcus easily. It looks like their offense and some parts of their special having an off night against PW contributed to their problems (Gave up a safety a special team touchdown and threw two interception. The defense looked like they did good (-1 rushing and 178 yards pass to a dude that averaged like 300 coming in).

I don't think FM Marcus's defense is going to perform well next week.. Cedar Hill might be out for blood after their performance against PW....

[Champion]

Call me crazy but I am picking Marcus in the upset here. Yes some of that may be them being so close to where I grew up but I also think Cedar Hill is a great matchup for Marcus. I understand that Cedar Hill is a very good football team and has an outstanding running game but stopping the run plays to the strengths of the Marcus defense. I do not think Cedar Hill is the type of team that will light it up through the air and I think Marcus will match up well with them defensively.
The Marcus passing game is not the best in teh world but it is leaps and bounds better than it was in week 2 against Plano West and in week 4 against Katy. Marcus has a running game to match that of Cedar Hill so that should be a wash. The big thing in this one is, who can make the plays in the passing game and on special teams. I know that Marcus has a good kicker and return game, what about Cedar Hill?

I am going Marcus 31 Cedar Hill 28

I agree with you Farmer. The Marcus running game is so strong. Ask the SLC defense who was the toughest opponent for them, it was definitely Marcus in terms of punishment. For Marcus though the big question is their defense. Chill has given up quite a few points as I recall. So maybe the difference in defense will not be that great.

Marcus probably had a tougher schedule that Chill. What do you think?

[farmerfan]

Rankings don't matter at this point... but seeing FM Marcus today and hearing what happened to Cedar Hill Friday I think they'll beat FM Marcus easily. It looks like their offense and some parts of their special having an off night against PW contributed to their problems (Gave up a safety a special team touchdown and threw two interception. The defense looked like they did good (-1 rushing and 178 yards pass to a dude that averaged like 300 coming in).

I don't think FM Marcus's defense is going to perform well next week.. Cedar Hill might be out for blood after their performance against PW....

Special teams will be huge. Marcus has outstanding special teams. They might have the best return game in the state. Their kicking game is outstanding and they get good results when they do punt. I know Cedar Hill had a kicker the past few years but what about this year?

Plano West isn't exactly known for running the football. They love to sling it. It will be a different ball club they see this week against Marcus. There were a lot of people who expected Grapevine to pull the upset today and Marcus might have won one of the quietest 48-18 games you will ever see.

[farmerfan]

I agree with you Farmer. The Marcus running game is so strong. Ask the SLC defense who was the toughest opponent for them, it was definitely Marcus in terms of punishment. For Marcus though the big question is their defense. Chill has given up quite a few points as I recall. So maybe the difference in defense will not be that great.

Marcus probably had a tougher schedule that Chill. What do you think?

District wise yes Marcus did have it tougher than Cedar Hill but Cedar Hill played some pretty good teams in non-district in DeSoto and Trinity.
Defense will be the key and their have been some rumblings about the Cedar Hill defense giving up some points and that Cedar Hill as a team does start slow. I am just being gutsy here and picking Marcus to win, it may be stupid but like I said earlier I am going with my gut and after Marcus beat Grapevine today I told the people around me and others that I think Marcus is going to beat Cedar Hill. No going back now :)

[da hawaiian]

That why I love watching this Marcus offense. Some call it boring, those who do just don't appreciate football the way its meant to be played ;) but the thing I love about them is they can stick it between the tackles and be successful and they can go outside, hit you with some counters, hit you with some sweeps and trap ya to lossen things up inside. ;)
I reall loved the counter action I saw out of Trinity this afternoon and loved the counter pass to the FB that went for 6 that play had me fooled, you know you watch the linemen and the QB rolling away from the pull, a thing of beauty. Marcus got their fullback involved more today than I have ever seen them do and sometimes those quick hitters are huge. Marcus will find a way to make their line involved in the game, yes CH might be good at stopping the run between the tackles but Marcus is pretty good in between the tackles as well. All it takes is 3-4 yards and I think marcus will avg that per run this week. Going to be a fun one.
Like I said, this is a long shot and I will be seen as crazy for going with Marcus, I just like the way their offense has been playing here of late and I am going to take my chances with them. Call this more of a gut than anything else :)

Nothing would make me happier for you friend.

I know your coaches will get those boys ready.

[DragonFan0316]

I'll be rooting for Marcus. Go 6-5A!!

[businesstron]

I agree with you Farmer. The Marcus running game is so strong. Ask the SLC defense who was the toughest opponent for them, it was definitely Marcus in terms of punishment. For Marcus though the big question is their defense. Chill has given up quite a few points as I recall. So maybe the difference in defense will not be that great.

Marcus probably had a tougher schedule that Chill. What do you think?


Marcus's schedule is a tad bit better because of the tougher district but that really doesn't matter since they didn't beat any of the good teams on their schedule (like Carroll and Katy).

Cedar Hill's defense had a couple of injuries during district play( thier MLB was out most of district play)...they've been playing good the last couple of games though. I don't think FM Marcus has seen this much speed and size on defense since Bowie played them in the playoffs a couple of years ago and that not good for Marcus.

But parts of Cedar Hill's special teams are good like the kicker and the punt returner is maybe the best punt returner in Texas. Their kick off return coverage isn't that great though....at least it wasn't in the Dville and Desoto games.

I read a couple of folks picking Grapevine to win this week also.....I don't know what they were on though Grapevine didn't look that great. I went back and did some research on them they they got destroyed by Aledo ( a good 4a team).

Either way the game could be interesting....you never know it is the playoffs...

[fridaynightfan]

I'll be rooting for Marcus. Go 6-5A!!

Me, too, and SLC and, of course, Coppell over PEHS.

[slcdragonfan]

District wise yes Marcus did have it tougher than Cedar Hill but Cedar Hill played some pretty good teams in non-district in DeSoto and Trinity.
Defense will be the key and their have been some rumblings about the Cedar Hill defense giving up some points and that Cedar Hill as a team does start slow. I am just being gutsy here and picking Marcus to win, it may be stupid but like I said earlier I am going with my gut and after Marcus beat Grapevine today I told the people around me and others that I think Marcus is going to beat Cedar Hill. No going back now :)

While I would love for Marcus to get this one, I do believe that CHILL can pass and pass well when required. I am picking CHILL to win by less than 10. Businesstron, a special team TD and two ints are part of the game as you know. I don't know what that has to do with it other than it means a part of the CHILL game was off.

As you have said from the beginning of the season, FF, if Marcus can get the play action going to open the running game....they can win this. CHILL is courting disaster with these close and come from behind games. Each week it gets tougher to come back.

[yankee]

While I would love for Marcus to get this one, I do believe that CHILL can pass and pass well when required. I am picking CHILL to win by less than 10. Businesstron, a special team TD and two ints are part of the game as you know. I don't know what that has to do with it other than it means a part of the CHILL game was off.

As you have said from the beginning of the season, FF, if Marcus can get the play action going to open the running game....they can win this. CHILL is courting disaster with these close and come from behind games. Each week it gets tougher to come back.

the cedar hill passing game is not a major threat. i'd say the biggest threat would be a homerun type of play, but they are definitely not going to beat you consistently throwing the ball, they just can't. i think marcus is going to give CHILL a rough time, and hopefully they pull of the upset. marcus is a very good football team, and that three headed monster at running back is something else.

[farmerfan]

While I would love for Marcus to get this one, I do believe that CHILL can pass and pass well when required. I am picking CHILL to win by less than 10. Businesstron, a special team TD and two ints are part of the game as you know. I don't know what that has to do with it other than it means a part of the CHILL game was off.

As you have said from the beginning of the season, FF, if Marcus can get the play action going to open the running game....they can win this. CHILL is courting disaster with these close and come from behind games. Each week it gets tougher to come back.

Passing is going to be big for both teams. Like yankee said above, I do not think Cedar Hill poses the type of threat to the Marcus secondary that teams such as Plano West, Carroll and Flower Mound were able to expose. Heck I would take the Katy passing game over Cedar Hill. I also think that yankee is spot on that the way Cedar Hill could hurt Marcus is with the deep threat. I could easily see Marcus walking up an 8th man to the LOS to help against the very good running game of CHill and that could put those defensive backs in a world of hurt if they are in man coverage.
As for the Marcus PA game, they seem to be getting it figured out and I lke the poise of Boyd at QB. He makes plays with both his feet and arm. He makes smart decisions with the football as well. Both Butler and Martin give him very good options and they started mixing in some to the FB today which I have not seen them do much. Make no doubt though the key for Marcus is going to be softening up that D by making some plays in the passing game. Their was a lot of counter play action today from Marcus and it worked well. I also liked what they were doing with Butler by throwing him those quick passes and having either Mason or Hopkins out there as a lead blocker.

[DiminishingReturns]

Call me crazy but I am picking Marcus
You're crazy...

Cedar Hill by 21. Their offense gets back on track and their defense continues to do well holding Hopkins to under 100 yards rushing.

[E-Vol-ution]

CHILL by 14. Marcus is gutty, but not ready to beat CHILL.

[cougardude]

Glad to see you know I'm consistent.:D

You're right about the AP polls but sure what I said will apply to others that still do them. As well as makes the one here more accurate.;):D

Polls don't mean a thing especially now that the playoffs have started.

[Marcus Fan]

If Marcus continues to force teams to respect Martin and Butler then the yards will come for Hopkins, Mason and possibly Newsome. Marcus fans, why did he not play today? I saw he was suited out.

Not allowed to talk about injuries on the forum..

[CHill Jeff]

Not allowed to talk about injuries on the forum..
True. But you can always send a private message to the orginal poster.

[desotoeagle]

I have been sayin it for years now. No one runs consistently on the Hill. NO ONE. FMM of the mid to late 90's would have been a better match-up. Not talking trash about FMM. I am givin props to the Hill.

[farmerfan]

You're crazy...

Cedar Hill by 21. Their offense gets back on track and their defense continues to do well holding Hopkins to under 100 yards rushing.

Holding Hopkins to under a 100? We'll see about that. We'll also see about stopping Mason and then Newsome.

As for me being crazy, hasn't been the first time but I just have not been impressed with Cedar Hill. They have not played like the so called #1 team. From the looks of it they had the same problem against West that they had against other teams in the regular season. Letting them stick around and not truly finishing them off. Marcus is much better than West.

[farmerfan]

I have been sayin it for years now. No one runs consistently on the Hill. NO ONE. FMM of the mid to late 90's would have been a better match-up. Not talking trash about FMM. I am givin props to the Hill.

I am pretty sure I saw Wylie and Trinity run consistently and for good yards last year against The Hill. So that defeats your "no one". Out of those teams Trinity is the only team CHill has seen with a offensive style like Marcus. You simply dont see that every week now. Marcus has developed a good passing game with the emergence of Martin and their TE Butler is very dangerous. I am sure Cedar Hill will get its stops but the constant pounding that will come with what Marcus brings is something CHill has not seen since September.
I dont think you are talking trash at all about FMM, I just dont think CHill has been a consistent enough team for me to think they will come out and beat Marcus by 21. Especially when nobody else this year has done that.

[dada]

Marcus is a live dog....would not be suprised if they won this one.

[da hawaiian]

The CedarHill Team I saw in September I would favor, but CedarHill has been very inconsistant, even a big fan who works with my wife can't explain where that team has dissappeared to. He had no explanation for their friday debacle in Plano.

If they show like that against Marcus, they will go home.

But in a style of matchups, Cedarhill is physically built to challenge teams along the LOS. Their speed on the outside is a big problem for zoning teams because the bacside pursuit. It will be wise for Marcus to show they're not a simple power offense. I expect Rhett Butler to be a big part of next saturday's showdown

[farmerfan]

The CedarHill Team I saw in September I would favor, but CedarHill has been very inconsistant, even a big fan who works with my wife can't explain where that team has dissappeared to. He had no explanation for their friday debacle in Plano.

If they show like that against Marcus, they will go home.

But in a style of matchups, Cedarhill is physically built to challenge teams along the LOS. Their speed on the outside is a big problem for zoning teams because the bacside pursuit. It will be wise for Marcus to show they're not a simple power offense. I expect Rhett Butler to be a big part of next saturday's showdown

Butler is going ot be a huge key. He helped Marcus in opening up their offense against Grapevine. I think Marcus has waited to get him involved in the offense and done so at the right time. I do not recall him being a huge factor in the previous games I saw and that includes the FM game.
I also liked how Marcus started to get their FB involved more. If they can get good protection in their pass pro and really sell the play fakes then it could become their best weapon on Saturday. Marcus does have a good looking fullback and if the defense cheats up too much on the run and they can catch the safeties biting on that play fake then they could hit Butler or even Chris Martin deep on a post pattern or seam route or something.
I just hope that Marcuss can keep its cool and not get flustered if things dont go their way early, I also hope that they dont try to come out and get too fancy with things either. I dont think they will this week, just keep it simple stupid and play your game and see where it takes you.

[desotoeagle]

I am pretty sure I saw Wylie and Trinity run consistently and for good yards last year against The Hill. So that defeats your "no one". Out of those teams Trinity is the only team CHill has seen with a offensive style like Marcus. You simply dont see that every week now. Marcus has developed a good passing game with the emergence of Martin and their TE Butler is very dangerous. I am sure Cedar Hill will get its stops but the constant pounding that will come with what Marcus brings is something CHill has not seen since September.
I dont think you are talking trash at all about FMM, I just dont think CHill has been a consistent enough team for me to think they will come out and beat Marcus by 21. Especially when nobody else this year has done that.

They haven't played any of the big three from south dallas.

[CoppellCowboy57]

I am seconding what Farmer said, I'll call the upset Marcus of CHill...

[greatestdane]

I have been sayin it for years now. No one runs consistently on the Hill. NO ONE. FMM of the mid to late 90's would have been a better match-up. Not talking trash about FMM. I am givin props to the Hill.

I would not say "no one" but I agree with this is principle. If one does not possess a very good passing game, to offset their strength and speed, it is very difficult to consistently run on Cedar Hill. There are a few teams in the state who possess the athleticism and physical nature of those kids. However, One game, one night, who knows?

[1981]

I am seconding what Farmer said, I'll call the upset Marcus of CHill...

Like my good ole pappy used to say to me, "crap in one hand and wish in the other and see which one fills up first...."

Cedar Hill will advance.

[Austin109]

my prediction is cedar hill rolls it.
i dont like it though :(


GO FM MARCUS! i really hope you guys can pull that off, that would be amazing

[Marcus Fan]

Looking forward to watching a great game. Our kids are excited about the challenge. Marcus doesn't turn the ball over very often and hopefully our guys can play keep away and Chill offense off the field.

[youtellatale]

In a one off game, I tend to like the better coached team even when both teams have been inconsistant. Which team looks better disciplined and better coached? I honestly have only seen about a half of the CHill game that was on FSSW earlier this year, so I can't give too much of an opinion. I'd like to see CHill and Abilene win to set up a great matchup of speed vs speed next week but good luck to Marcus and CHill.

[businesstron]

WOW talk about giving some teams alotta much respect...... FM Marcus has beaten no one this year and yet folks think they gonna beat Cedar Hill. Cedar Hill has beaten two top 10 teams (or close enough) and some folks are picking them to lose. Even in their inconsistent performances the games haven't been close....


Even in the worst case scenario for Cedar Hill FM Marcus doesn't have enough defense to stop them.....

[Gangsta3]

wow talk about giving some teams alotta much respect...... Fm marcus has beaten no one this year and yet folks think they gonna beat cedar hill. Cedar hill has beaten two top 10 teams (or close enough) and some folks are picking them to lose. Even in their inconsistent performances the games haven't been close....


Even in the worst case scenario for cedar hill fm marcus doesn't have enough defense to stop them.....

word!

[dragonbuck]

Marcus has utilized Rhett Butler and also found a new big play target in #8 Chris Martin. We did not get to see Dagan Newsome today which adds a huge play threat to the Marcus offense as well with his speed. This will be the first time since the Katy game that Marcus will be able to come out with a true 7 man front and not have to worry about being torched by a passing team. No team this year has shown an ability to trully stop the Marcus running game and they are more than just a power running team. Marcus can and will stretch it outside and hit you with some big plays.
If Marcus continues to force teams to respect Martin and Butler then the yards will come for Hopkins, Mason and possibly Newsome. Marcus fans, why did he not play today? I saw he was suited out.

"Frankly Farmer Fan, I don't give a damn!":D

[da hawaiian]

ooops

wrong thread :)

[farmerfan]

WOW talk about giving some teams alotta much respect...... FM Marcus has beaten no one this year and yet folks think they gonna beat Cedar Hill. Cedar Hill has beaten two top 10 teams (or close enough) and some folks are picking them to lose. Even in their inconsistent performances the games haven't been close....


Even in the worst case scenario for Cedar Hill FM Marcus doesn't have enough defense to stop them.....

Wow. talking about demanding too much respect. Cedar Hill was on their toes last week against a team in Plano West that finished with a record of what, 6-4 at best? Struggled against others. While Marcus may not have beat Katy or Carroll both of those were dawg fights with one being played on the road and the other being a non-district game where anybody that has seen Marcus will tell you, they did not come out with their base offense. Doesnt take away from the fact that Marcus lost because they did. That said, Marcus has a weakness on defense in stopping the pass this is against teams with a legtimate passing threat that can exploit their weakness in the secondary. I dont think Cedar Hill can do that. Marcus has a good front 7 and a very talented offense themselves. Cedar Hill hasnt exactly shown they have the ability to just sit there and beat the crap out of the teams they should liek a true number 1 team is supposed to now have they?:rolleyes:

[Austin109]

Wow. talking about demanding too much respect. Cedar Hill was on their toes last week against a team in Plano West that finished with a record of what, 6-4 at best? Struggled against others. While Marcus may not have beat Katy or Carroll both of those were dawg fights with one being played on the road and the other being a non-district game where anybody that has seen Marcus will tell you, they did not come out with their base offense. Doesnt take away from the fact that Marcus lost because they did. That said, Marcus has a weakness on defense in stopping the pass this is against teams with a legtimate passing threat that can exploit their weakness in the secondary. I dont think Cedar Hill can do that. Marcus has a good front 7 and a very talented offense themselves. Cedar Hill hasnt exactly shown they have the ability to just sit there and beat the crap out of the teams they should liek a true number 1 team is supposed to now have they?:rolleyes:

too true. ask anyone who was there, the katy marcus game was way closer than the score showed. about 5 min left in the game and i was worried i was going to have a long drive home..

marcus is tough, i wouldnt ever look past them.

[farmerfan]

too true. ask anyone who was there, the katy marcus game was way closer than the score showed. about 5 min left in the game and i was worried i was going to have a long drive home..

marcus is tough, i wouldnt ever look past them.

Yes they are tough and that was a good football game. Marcus showed a lot in their ability to come back against a good Katy team. Also let it be shown to Businesstron that yes there are a few that have said Marcus could or will win on this thread but the poll in this thread show Cedar Hill has more than twice as many votes as Marcus does to win this game. I think he is overblowing this "lack of respect" card a bit

[the_phoenix612]

Marcus>>>PW.

That said, Chill by a score.

[KT2000]

I find myself agreeing with farmer on this game. I would not be surprised to see Marcus win or at least challenge the game in the fourth. Marcus matches up well with Cedar Hill. Cedar Hill had a very pedestrian outing against Plano West passing wise, and that is where Marcus is vulnerable defensively. Marcus will score points. This is a good match-up.

[desotoeagle]

You all act like the CH-PW game was ever in doubt. It looked like it was going to be a blow-out and then it looked like the Hill kids got bored or something. I think many of you hope that the Hill loses more than you believe they will lose.

[dada]

You all act like the CH-PW game was ever in doubt. It looked like it was going to be a blow-out and then it looked like the Hill kids got bored or something. I think many of you hope that the Hill loses more than you believe they will lose.


That could be a problem...especially in the playoffs.

[KT2000]

I think many of you hope that the Hill loses more than you believe they will lose.

What's really funny is people acting like we have some kind of vendetta against CH. I'm not affected one way or the other by what Cedar Hill does. I'm just calling it as I see it based on the results. I've actually been able to see CH twice this year thanks to TV, and I saw Marcus once in person.

[the_phoenix612]

That is always a problem.
fify

[the_phoenix612]

What's really funny is people acting like we have some kind of vendetta against CH. I'm not affected one way or the other by what Cedar Hill does. I'm just calling it as I see it based on the results. I've actually been able to see CH twice this year thanks to TV.
It's cuz you're so biased for Katy. Your blind homerism doesn't let you see how fearsome other teams are.

[dada]

It's cuz you're so biased for Katy. Your blind homerism doesn't let you see how fearsome other teams are.

Yeah...and you see what happened to SA Madison due to KT2000 not putting them in the #1 spot.....they gave up.

KT has a lot of power.

[the_phoenix612]

Yeah...and you see what happened to SA Madison due to KT2000 not putting them in the #1 spot.....they gave up.

KT has a lot of power.
dude whatever. you know madison was the best team in the state, and if this stupid site wasnt run by such stupid people they'd have won state by now.

[desotoeagle]

What's really funny is people acting like we have some kind of vendetta against CH. I'm not affected one way or the other by what Cedar Hill does. I'm just calling it as I see it based on the results. I've actually been able to see CH twice this year thanks to TV, and I saw Marcus once in person.

I was talking more about people in this area. I was not really talking about those outside of the dallas/ft. worth area.

[greatestdane]

That could be a problem...especially in the playoffs.

I would level the sarcasm. I have seen it before, several times. A team that has
"been there done that" gets up two or three scores on a team that they feel is inferior and they lose that mental edge. Turning it back on is one of the most difficult things to do.

[AE 8008]

Assuming Abilene makes the third round, I can't wait for the possible matchups!

Abilenes three headed monster vs FM Marcus's. Both have strong run defenses but a little trouble on pass D. Idk what kind of size Marcus has. Great return games on SP teams.

Abilene vs Chill would be a track meet, probably one of the fastest games all year. I'd bet on high scoring, maybe 40s and 50s, and alot of homerun plays. Someone said Chill might have the best punt return team in the state, and I'd be willing to bet that Abilene has the best kick return game in the state.

[btownfever]

First I think CHill drops to #3 or #4 this week in AP polls sqeeking by unranked 5-5 Plano West.;)

As for the game CHill wins as FM Marcus is not that much better than West. CHill needs to play better or Marcus could pull an upset.

squeaking? the game was in control the whole time and PW got a late touchdown to make it look close...typical haters.

[slcdragonfan]

You all act like the CH-PW game was ever in doubt. It looked like it was going to be a blow-out and then it looked like the Hill kids got bored or something. I think many of you hope that the Hill loses more than you believe they will lose.

Is that what happened to the PW kids last year when they were up by 21 or so against CHILL? They got bored? If so, they also lost. I guess Desoto got bored as well after up by what, 28? If so, they also lost. Just sayin'....
One of these times, that boredom or whatever it is will cost them a game.

I believe I picked CHILL to win this one by less than 10 but, as a District mate, I am hoping Marcus pulls off this upset.

[The Bear]

You all act like the CH-PW game was ever in doubt. It looked like it was going to be a blow-out and then it looked like the Hill kids got bored or something. I think many of you hope that the Hill loses more than you believe they will lose.

I agree, Chill has gotten no respect on this board all year, but yet the bottom line is they keep on winning and that all that matters to me.

[slcdragonfan]

I agree, Chill has gotten no respect on this board all year, but yet the bottom line is they keep on winning and that all that matters to me.

This is just nonsense. :rolleyes: CHILL has gotten plenty of respect, you just want to play "us vs. them" I guess. Winning is what matters yes. All that people are saying is this propensity to take the foot off the gas, or to get behind and play catchup, is going be a problem eventually. Need to fix it NOW if you are going to get to state. If I was a CHILL fan, I would recognize it as an issue. If it was happening to my team, I would recognize it as an issue.

[trainin' the game]

I find myself agreeing with farmer on this game. I would not be surprised to see Marcus win or at least challenge the game in the fourth. Marcus matches up well with Cedar Hill. Cedar Hill had a very pedestrian outing against Plano West passing wise, and that is where Marcus is vulnerable defensively. Marcus will score points. This is a good match-up.

why doesn't this surprize me????? :rolleyes:

i was at the game and marcus will be a load for cedar hill.... however they remind me alot like arl martin and trinity in that they are going to do what they do....

i think it's funny how ya'll say we will see come playoff time if cedar hill can keep playing with fire in having to come back in a ball game, and when they keep a lead the entire game then ya'll say well they didn't win by enough...:rolleyes:

look at the stats and look how the d stepped up when the offense was down.

it will be a great game, and i hope cedar hill comes out on top. May it be well played and injury free.

[The Bear]

This is just nonsense. :rolleyes: CHILL has gotten plenty of respect, you just want to play "us vs. them" I guess. Winning is what matters yes. All that people are saying is this propensity to take the foot off the gas, or to get behind and play catchup, is going be a problem eventually. Need to fix it NOW if you are going to get to state. If I was a CHILL fan, I would recognize it as an issue. If it was happening to my team, I would recognize it as an issue.


As a fan and I mean a big fan, I don’t see a problem with taken there foot off the gas because sometime you may need to. The problem I have as a fan is the Turn it on, Turn is off concept. That’s the issue I recognize as a fan.

[trainin' the game]

I agree, Chill has gotten no respect on this board all year, but yet the bottom line is they keep on winning and that all that matters to me.

Plus they ended the season with the AP #1which is the only ranking the really matters;)

i do not the think the kt's have anything against cedar hill they just do not understand cedar hill's winning ways. i will be the first to say i do not either; it really does not make sense at all but year in and year out these boys show that have "a lil fight to'em!!!" they never believe that they are out of a game.

[slcdragonfan]

As a fan and I mean a big fan, I don’t see a problem with taken there foot off the gas because sometime you may need to. The problem I have as a fan is the Turn it on, Turn is off concept. That’s the issue I recognize as a fan.

I'm not sure what you are saying. Are you saying that sometimes you should slow down because you are ahead big and don't want to run up the score? I think most would agree with you there, the only issue is when to lift the foot. For me it is after you have a 30 point lead. If you get below 30, you have to bring back in the cavalry and sometimes they will have lost the edge.

Is that what you mean, or did I completely misunderstand?

[desotoeagle]

Is that what happened to the PW kids last year when they were up by 21 or so against CHILL? They got bored? If so, they also lost. I guess Desoto got bored as well after up by what, 28? If so, they also lost. Just sayin'....
One of these times, that boredom or whatever it is will cost them a game.

I believe I picked CHILL to win this one by less than 10 but, as a District mate, I am hoping Marcus pulls off this upset.

Typical SLC. Man, I wish you guys would have stayed down. Ya'll are a bit more humble and not so big mouthed when ya'll are down.

[The Bear]

I'm not sure what you are saying. Are you saying that sometimes you should slow down because you are ahead big and don't want to run up the score? I think most would agree with you there, the only issue is when to lift the foot. For me it is after you have a 30 point lead. If you get below 30, you have to bring back in the cavalry and sometimes they will have lost the edge.

Is that what you mean, or did I completely misunderstand?


No you did not misunderstand that's what I'm saying.

[slcdragonfan]

Typical SLC. Man, I wish you guys would have stayed down. Ya'll are a bit more humble and not so big mouthed when ya'll are down.

You are COMPLETELY misreading me and what I posted.

[farmerfan]

Typical SLC. Man, I wish you guys would have stayed down. Ya'll are a bit more humble and not so big mouthed when ya'll are down.

Actually he was giving an honest input that a lot of people have voiced. Heck he has picked Cedar Hill to win this thing and when I saw him last night he was given mad props to the CH QB. Tap the breaks and back off just a bit buddy. It could be a huge week for you and your neighbors if you all pull off victories.

[trainin' the game]

You are COMPLETELY misreading me and what I posted.

it's fine most of us understand.... good luck to you guys.

[A Fan]

Actually he was giving an honest input that a lot of people have voiced. Heck he has picked Cedar Hill to win this thing and when I saw him last night he was given mad props to the CH QB. Tap the breaks and back off just a bit buddy. It could be a huge week for you and your neighbors if you all pull off victories.

Now that i do agree with slcdragonfan has giving C-Hill the upmost respect and i do thank him for that. So lets go Dragons beat those eagles!

[DragonFan0316]

Typical SLC. Man, I wish you guys would have stayed down. Ya'll are a bit more humble and not so big mouthed when ya'll are down.

Good teams don't rebuild they reload. SLC will be around the playoffs for a longtime....Just like Desoto. Besides, we are on this board all the time, win or lose. Sounds like some folks have a complex. I call them haters:cool:

[DragonFan0316]

Like Carrol, Allen, ETC Cedar Hill will continue to get everyones best. I am sure they know they have a target on them and are comfortable with it. Marcus is no team to take lightly. They will bring it Saturday. I can't predict an upset but as a 6-5A fan I will be pulling for Marcus.

[dada]

Plus they ended the season with the AP #1which is the only ranking the really matters;)

i do not the think the kt's have anything against cedar hill they just do not understand cedar hill's winning ways. i will be the first to say i do not either; it really does not make sense at all but year in and year out these boys show that have "a lil fight to'em!!!" they never believe that they are out of a game.

What does the AP poll have to do with anything? Unlike the BCS, EVERY TEAM in the playoffs....ranked or not have a shot at the title.

[trainin' the game]

What does the AP poll have to do with anything? Unlike the BCS, EVERY TEAM in the playoffs....ranked or not have a shot at the title.

dude; thats why i put a ;) behind that sentence.

come on you know i hope i can get a little more credit than that dada.

[AE 8008]

this demand for respect is hysterical. get over yourselves and go do your own thing. quit worrying about what other people think or say, take care of your own business, and theyll all shut up.

[slcdragonfan]

Now that i do agree with slcdragonfan has giving C-Hill the upmost respect and i do thank him for that. So lets go Dragons beat those eagles!

:)
Hoping for a win. I'm sure Allen will accommodate, after all, they won a trophy last year, no reason for them to hog them all. They should be winning trophies in Div I anyway....:D

But I don't want to take us off topic.

I'll be interested in your feedback on Stephen Hopkins after the game. I like him a lot, and will be interested in what you think. I also like your Hayes quite a bit.

[trainin' the game]

this demand for respect is hysterical. get over yourselves and go do your own thing. quit worrying about what other people think or say, take care of your own business, and theyll all shut up.

dude; where do you see demanding? i say this all the respect will either be given or it will be taken;) it's quite simple. the 2nd season is here while i thought it was humerous what the kt's did with the rankings eventually cedar hill will either prove them right or wrong..... im hoping for b...... marcus will b no easy out; but i feel the horns will be up for this challenge. good luck to both.

[Maxthedog]

As a fan and I mean a big fan, I don’t see a problem with taken there foot off the gas because sometime you may need to. The problem I have as a fan is the Turn it on, Turn is off concept. That’s the issue I recognize as a fan.

Bear makes a great point! I have seen some games this year where CH was having trouble 'it appeared' to find the gas pedal. Then they find it and off they go. That's ok when your playing some teams in the regular season, not a good idea in the PO's. The West game was one where the foot kept slipping off the gas pedal. It would be a bad idea to do this vs Marcus.

[Maxthedog]

this demand for respect is hysterical. get over yourselves and go do your own thing. quit worrying about what other people think or say, take care of your own business, and theyll all shut up.

AE, I have seen CH 3 times this year, granted vs pretty good teams(Trinity, Desoto and West). #1 in the state,,,not exactly, then again, they might win,,,I will be somewhat suprised if they do. The on-off thing will not work for the next 5 weeks. Marcus,,possible,,,Abbylean,,,won't work for sure.
CH D...very suspect and porous.

[trainin' the game]

AE, I have seen CH 3 times this year, granted vs pretty good teams(Trinity, Desoto and West). #1 in the state,,,not exactly, then again, they might win,,,I will be somewhat suprised if they do. The on-off thing will not work for the next 5 weeks. Marcus,,possible,,,Abbylean,,,won't work for sure.
CH D...very suspect and porous.

may be those three games you looked at i invite you to look at the stas for the last two ball games when they have had all their defenders on the field ex; aaron benson, and look what they gave up?????? (www.wfaa.com/highschools/cedarhill)

makes you wonder huh? the whole year they have been mixing up looks and coverages and now they are just playing their base 4-3 and look at what they did to west defensively.... west defense stops the run the question will be can marcus do the same.

[Maxthedog]

may be those three games you looked at i invite you to look at the stas for the last two ball games when they have had all their defenders on the field ex; aaron benson, and look what they gave up?????? (www.wfaa.com/highschools/cedarhill)

makes you wonder huh? the whole year they have been mixing up looks and coverages and now they are just playing their base 4-3 and look at what they did to west defensively.... west defense stops the run the question will be can marcus do the same.

Your right TTG, THE Key to the game, can Marcus stop CH's running game? Same can be said for CH, 'Can they stop Marcus equally powerful running game?'. I can't answer that but I will be there to see what happens. The CH-West game was weird, some series West moved the ball with ease(mostly passing), some they didn't(tried to run and sacks). Yes the base D works better for CH, no doubt. Benson is a treat to watch(Armistad from Carter comes to mind). Marcus will be about the same physical level as the CH-Trinity game, win this one and CH gets Abbylean,,another physical game.
The stats,,I don't pay much attention to stats,,Nimitz whould not be a good variable to use.

[trainin' the game]

Your right TTG, THE Key to the game, can Marcus stop CH's running game? Same can be said for CH, 'Can they stop Marcus equally powerful running game?'. I can't answer that but I will be there to see what happens. The CH-West game was weird, some series West moved the ball with ease(mostly passing), some they didn't(tried to run and sacks). Yes the base D works better for CH, no doubt. Benson is a treat to watch(Armistad from Carter comes to mind). Marcus will be about the same physical level as the CH-Trinity game, win this one and CH gets Abbylean,,another physical game.
The stats,,I don't pay much attention to stats,,Nimitz whould not be a good variable to use.

your right with that statement; i thought chill would have had a tougher time with pw passing attck than what they did.

hopkins is a man and will be a force but i like the back up more i think its #13:eek: seems like he runs harder! idk marcus in some ways reminds me alot like trinity just with a smaller ol but who wouldn't with trinity:rolleyes:

[timbo15]

Interesting conversation we have going here. I will just say this, Marcus could win this game. They have played some good competition and they really sound like a good team. I have not actually had the opportunity to see them play. But from what everyone is saying they are really good and are ready to stand toe to toe with Cedar Hill.

It's high school kids guys. Who can predict them? I have heard Mack Brown say, "It is not the best team who wins, but the team who is best on that day." I am a Cedar Hill guy myself. But Marcus will be out there to win, as well. The only thing that matters is which team is ready that day. However, contrary to some on this board, I don't think Cedar Hill is going to oversleep on Saturday.

[farmerfan]

your right with that statement; i thought chill would have had a tougher time with pw passing attck than what they did.

hopkins is a man and will be a force but i like the back up more i think its #13:eek: seems like he runs harder! idk marcus in some ways reminds me alot like trinity just with a smaller ol but who wouldn't with trinity:rolleyes:

The number 13 you are thinking of is Rufus Mason and he is a junior. You are right he is a very good back too and with Hopkins being who he is a lot of people forget about Mason. Marcus has another back in Dagan Newsome who IMO is the best runner of the 3. Marcus brought up a JV back this past week, number 9 who is going to be a player too. I would think he should see some PT this week against Chill. Marcus is well equipped in the running back department and they have 2 very reliable receivers in Butler at TE and Martin at WR. You are also right that the Marcus O-Line is smaller than the Trinity line, they are smaller than they were a year ago too but IMO I think the Marcus O-Line is better this year than they were a year ago. I think they are far more aggressive and quicker and I believe their overall technique is much better too.
I am excited to see how this game unfolds. There is no question that Marcus is the underdog and rightfully so but in the playoffs strange things can happen and dumb predictions, like the one I have made ;) can turn out not so dumb at times :)
Good luck to both teams and heres to a clean healthy game from both sides

[Maxthedog]

your right with that statement; i thought chill would have had a tougher time with pw passing attck than what they did.

hopkins is a man and will be a force but i like the back up more i think its #13:eek: seems like he runs harder! idk marcus in some ways reminds me alot like trinity just with a smaller ol but who wouldn't with trinity:rolleyes:

Passing statistics suffer when the QB is running for his life:)
Sacks and rushing yardage almost zeroed. CH couldn't stop the West passing attact,,,they figured that out and started splattering the QB:)
I agree with you,,,Hopkins is good but so is #13(he's just a puppy,,soph I think),,,and they had another kid for several plays that was good as well. Saturday,,at 2:00,,,my prediction,,,this will be the most physical game of the day. Great for the fans! The winner will be,,,,,Tell ya at about 5PM.

[btownfever]

AE, I have seen CH 3 times this year, granted vs pretty good teams(Trinity, Desoto and West). #1 in the state,,,not exactly, then again, they might win,,,I will be somewhat suprised if they do. The on-off thing will not work for the next 5 weeks. Marcus,,possible,,,Abbylean,,,won't work for sure.
CH D...very suspect and porous.

Here is my thing...you've seen us play 3 times and our D had a rough game against DeSoto, i cannot deny that, i personally feel that was very early in the season yet the defense regrouped that game and held DeSoto to 13 points after the first quarter, which is a long time to slow down an offense like DeSoto's. The other two games you saw CHill shut down the power downhill running of Trinity and the pass happy offense of PWest...so where are we very suspect and porous based upon what you've seen?

[businesstron]

Wow. talking about demanding too much respect. Cedar Hill was on their toes last week against a team in Plano West that finished with a record of what, 6-4 at best? Struggled against others. While Marcus may not have beat Katy or Carroll both of those were dawg fights with one being played on the road and the other being a non-district game where anybody that has seen Marcus will tell you, they did not come out with their base offense. Doesnt take away from the fact that Marcus lost because they did. That said, Marcus has a weakness on defense in stopping the pass this is against teams with a legtimate passing threat that can exploit their weakness in the secondary. I dont think Cedar Hill can do that. Marcus has a good front 7 and a very talented offense themselves. Cedar Hill hasnt exactly shown they have the ability to just sit there and beat the crap out of the teams they should liek a true number 1 team is supposed to now have they?:rolleyes:

I didn't demand respect..... I was stating the obvious. Too many people say they going to loss and don't say who they are going to lose to... But enough of that..

Cedar Hill jumped on PW and was ahead 21-9 before the half. PW makes a couple of plays on defense and special teams and the game's 21-16. Cedar Hill came out good in the 3rd and was ahead comfortably 31-16 most of the game until PW score on a drive late in the 3rd. The criticism I'd say is Cedar Hill didn't put PWest away like they should've. That happens sometimes... Happened to Southlake and Allen against Hebron and Wylie.

But to Marcus....that talented front seven gave up 305 rushing yards to Katy.. Y'll did make a valiant comback against them but a loss is a loss. Same thing against Carroll but in both those game both of those team jumped on you and lead from start to finish.. That not too good of a trend. The best run teams you played all year were Katy and probably SLC... Katy ran over you and SLC got 163 at about 6 yards a pop on you...


Just from looking at that I don't have too much confidence in Marcus's ability to stop Cedar Hill's running attack. Cedar Hill has has solid games against defenses that are better then Marcus (like Trinity, Nimitz, Desoto, Martin statistically speaking).

As far as Cedar Hill's defense vs FM Marcus offense goes. Cedar Hill has seen a team that does what FM Marcus does on offense except they do it better and Cedar Hill held Trinity to one of their worst offensive games of the year. Your running backs are good (Hopkins the FB and that other backup) but I don't see them running over Cedar Hill's defense (one of the top run defenses in the area) I base alot of that off the Trinity game. Your QB might get some passing yards though...

Cedar Hill won't have to pass to beat Marcus... Marcus won't jump on them that fast.

Up till this point Cedar Hill has blown out most of their teams. The only games where they were down and had to come back were against Desoto (only the best offense in the state) and Duncanville...two teams they always have see saw games with because of the nature of their rivalry. Other then that they led and dominated most of the other teams....despite having illnesses and injuries through district play.

[da hawaiian]

If CedarHill is healthy, this will be a difficult game for Marcus. Against Trinity their Dline didn't budge. They average something like 260 to 280lbs 3 across, with their weakside DE usually a slimmer speed guy. What's scary is they move lateraly so well, so when the straight ahead stuff didn't work the sweeps and counters didn't either, not consitently anyways. Maybe having a quicker Oline will aide that, they'll have to play fast and play low and hope they can keep the blocking ratios 1:1, because you HAVE to get a body on those CH Linebackers, they can be simply MARVELOUS. Slowing those guys down will be crittical thus our earlier conversation regarding establishing playaction. but passes will have to be spot on, not just so forward momentum of the reciever is maintained, but you could see that pass go the otherway for 6 in a heartbeat. That defense closes with terrific speed. I don't even like Chill that much, but I have a mancrush on that front7 at the moment. Much the same way I have a mancrush on the Allen Oline. I won't be heartbroken if someone should break either crush come saturday either.

[businesstron]

AE, I have seen CH 3 times this year, granted vs pretty good teams(Trinity, Desoto and West). #1 in the state,,,not exactly, then again, they might win,,,I will be somewhat suprised if they do. The on-off thing will not work for the next 5 weeks. Marcus,,possible,,,Abbylean,,,won't work for sure.
<b>CH D...very suspect and porous.</b>

That porous and suspect D is number 2 statistically in the DFW. Cedar Hill allows about 20 points a game... Allen and SLC allow about 16 points a game.. I guess they are suspect and porous also......

Oustside of Berkner no one's done a good job of stopping Desoto all year...they are the #1 offense in the area. Trinity is Trinity... PW has a good offense but they only got 1 yard rushing and really only scored 14 points one touch down in the 1st quarter and 1 late in the fourth. That's not a bad effort for a defense.....

[Marcus Fan]

In addition to Stephen Hopkins the rest of the Marcus running back crew is under classman. Rufus Mason, Dagan Newsome are juniors.and the JV tailback Harvey Giddens. Harvey had a great season on the JV and has been moved to fullback which has added a new wrinkle to the offense.
Add some great play action passing by an underrated QB Brodie Boyd and the Marcus Offense is clicking right now.
Question is clearly defense and can Marcus stop a good running team which except for Katy, They haven't really faced. The defense has changed a number of faces between the Katy game and now, and has switched between a 4/3 and a 3/4 depending on the opponent.

[longball]

The difference" DISCIPLINE" WHO HAS IT , I think everyone knows the answer

[AE 8008]

on a scale of 1 to 10 with 10 being best, how would some of you more knowledgeable posters rank FM Marcus's coaching?

[da hawaiian]

The difference" DISCIPLINE" WHO HAS IT , I think everyone knows the answer

They are xtremely disciplined up front, it's discipline in the back that has hurt them.

[farmerfan]

I didn't demand respect..... I was stating the obvious. Too many people say they going to loss and don't say who they are going to lose to... But enough of that..

Cedar Hill jumped on PW and was ahead 21-9 before the half. PW makes a couple of plays on defense and special teams and the game's 21-16. Cedar Hill came out good in the 3rd and was ahead comfortably 31-16 most of the game until PW score on a drive late in the 3rd. The criticism I'd say is Cedar Hill didn't put PWest away like they should've. That happens sometimes... Happened to Southlake and Allen against Hebron and Wylie.

But to Marcus....that talented front seven gave up 305 rushing yards to Katy.. Y'll did make a valiant comback against them but a loss is a loss. Same thing against Carroll but in both those game both of those team jumped on you and lead from start to finish.. That not too good of a trend. The best run teams you played all year were Katy and probably SLC... Katy ran over you and SLC got 163 at about 6 yards a pop on you...


Just from looking at that I don't have too much confidence in Marcus's ability to stop Cedar Hill's running attack. Cedar Hill has has solid games against defenses that are better then Marcus (like Trinity, Nimitz, Desoto, Martin statistically speaking).

As far as Cedar Hill's defense vs FM Marcus offense goes. Cedar Hill has seen a team that does what FM Marcus does on offense except they do it better and Cedar Hill held Trinity to one of their worst offensive games of the year. Your running backs are good (Hopkins the FB and that other backup) but I don't see them running over Cedar Hill's defense (one of the top run defenses in the area) I base alot of that off the Trinity game. Your QB might get some passing yards though...

Cedar Hill won't have to pass to beat Marcus... Marcus won't jump on them that fast.

Up till this point Cedar Hill has blown out most of their teams. The only games where they were down and had to come back were against Desoto (only the best offense in the state) and Duncanville...two teams they always have see saw games with because of the nature of their rivalry. Other then that they led and dominated most of the other teams....despite having illnesses and injuries through district play.

You make good points. Points that would all tend to swing towards a Cedar Hiill blowout this week. However as you commented about the special teams and plays on defense, thats apart of football. Special teams play is everybit the momentum change that a huge play of offense or defense can be. Turnovers and special teams play could be a huge factor this week. I know Marcus has outstanding special teams play all the way around. From their kicking game to their return game to their punt coverage and and kick return. If you are comparing the Carroll run game to what Cedar Hill will bring then you are flat wrong. Against Carroll Marcus could not commit 7 to the run. Due to the nature of the Carroll offense Marcus had to insert an extra defensive back to help with pass coverage. Cedar Hill is not Carroll in that department. As for the Katy game, yes Katy had some good success against Marcus and a loss is a loss, anybody at that game will tell you that Marcus team came out and did things on offense they havent done since. Kept their defense on the field an awful lot early on. Marcus can not do that this week or their defense will tire out, same for Cedar Hill. The defenses of Nimitz and Martin are going to be statsically better than Marcus simply because of the district they play in. Marcus has had to face some the very best offenses in the entire metroplex and those are teams that throw the football which in turn can be and is very deceptive.
As for Trinity doing it better than Marcus, the Trinity team that Cedar Hill played in September is not as good at running the football and moving the football as this Marcus team is in November. I actually think overall Marcus is better on offense than Trinity is simply to what Brode Boyd adds in the passing department. I think he makes better decisions and has a better arm than Willie Hubbard does, simply opinion but its the way I feel after seeing both early and late.
You say CHill wont have to pass to beat Marcus, I think you are wrong. Saturday will tell the story. If I prove to be wrong, so be it, it was to be expected.

[farmerfan]

on a scale of 1 to 10 with 10 being best, how would some of you more knowledgeable posters rank FM Marcus's coaching?

I don't know if anybody is a 10 so I would give the Marcus coaching staff a 7. The head man has won titles before and took over a Marcus program that was in the dumps and led them to a 9-3 record in his first year. Last year was a step behind of bit but this year I think they have done an excellent job all year. Erwin has implemented a style that is lost in todays game of the spread. Their adjustments are outstanding and the one thing I have noticed about Marcus is they do not beat themselves by making stupid mistakes. Erwin has had some peanlties that have been criticized but for the most part Marcus is an extremely disciplined football team.

[businesstron]

You make good points. Points that would all tend to swing towards a Cedar Hiill blowout this week. However as you commented about the special teams and plays on defense, thats apart of football. Special teams play is everybit the momentum change that a huge play of offense or defense can be. Turnovers and special teams play could be a huge factor this week. I know Marcus has outstanding special teams play all the way around. From their kicking game to their return game to their punt coverage and and kick return. If you are comparing the Carroll run game to what Cedar Hill will bring then you are flat wrong. Against Carroll Marcus could not commit 7 to the run. Due to the nature of the Carroll offense Marcus had to insert an extra defensive back to help with pass coverage. Cedar Hill is not Carroll in that department. As for the Katy game, yes Katy had some good success against Marcus and a loss is a loss, anybody at that game will tell you that Marcus team came out and did things on offense they havent done since. Kept their defense on the field an awful lot early on. Marcus can not do that this week or their defense will tire out, same for Cedar Hill. The defenses of Nimitz and Martin are going to be statsically better than Marcus simply because of the district they play in. Marcus has had to face some the very best offenses in the entire metroplex and those are teams that throw the football which in turn can be and is very deceptive.
As for Trinity doing it better than Marcus, the Trinity team that Cedar Hill played in September is not as good at running the football and moving the football as this Marcus team is in November. I actually think overall Marcus is better on offense than Trinity is simply to what Brode Boyd adds in the passing department. I think he makes better decisions and has a better arm than Willie Hubbard does, simply opinion but its the way I feel after seeing both early and late.
You say CHill wont have to pass to beat Marcus, I think you are wrong. Saturday will tell the story. If I prove to be wrong, so be it, it was to be expected.

It swings toward a blowout but then again it could be just like Katy and SLC's games against FM Marcus... I used SLC because that was the second best running attack FM Marcus saw all year. Really Katy was the only run first team they have played and that didn't go too well.

As far as defenses go... I can see your point on Nimitz but not as much on Martin.... Bowie and Arlington have some of the best offenses in the area Sam Houston sucks as a team but even their offense put up numbers....and Lamar has the leading rusher in the area... Speaking of Martin their offense is very similar to Trinity's and FM Marcus....they'll get into the spread a little bit more then Marcus will though. My point being is that teams have been stacking the box against Cedar Hill all year and they've been more less running all over them. I don't see anything special in FM Marcus defense that going to say it's going to be any different this week. Cedar Hill comes from a district with defense geared more to stopping the run. If FM Marcus plays a 3-4 it could be interesting I'm not sure if Cedar Hill has played a team with that scheme this year yet..

As far as the offenses of Trinity and Marcus go I guess it all opinion. I'd say Hubbard is the better QB though....yards wise him and Boyd are similar. Hubbard has a 17-3 TD/Int while Boyd is 9-3. Hubbard also has better legs (another 500 yards rushing). As far as Running backs corps go Trinity has around 3400 yards rushing while Marcus has 2700.... Man to man they are very similar. I'd still say Trinity has a little bit more depth it seems like they can almost put anyone back there.... Trinity had a good offensive game against that Utah team the week before they played Cedar Hill. The only big difference I saw between that game and the Flower Mound game is their pass defense got a little bit better. I still think Trinity then was better then FM marcus now... They still had Tevin Williams then...

The only way Cedar Hill is going to throw over 20 passes next week is if Fm Marcus jumps out to a quick lead on 30 point lead on Cedar Hill early like before the middle of the second qtr. I don't see that happening with the type of offense FM Marcus has.

[farmerfan]

It swings toward a blowout but then again it could be just like Katy and SLC's games against FM Marcus... I used SLC because that was the second best running attack FM Marcus saw all year. Really Katy was the only run first team they have played and that didn't go too well.

As far as defenses go... I can see your point on Nimitz but not as much on Martin.... Bowie and Arlington have some of the best offenses in the area Sam Houston sucks as a team but even their offense put up numbers....and Lamar has the leading rusher in the area... Speaking of Martin their offense is very similar to Trinity's and FM Marcus....they'll get into the spread a little bit more then Marcus will though. My point being is that teams have been stacking the box against Cedar Hill all year and they've been more less running all over them. I don't see anything special in FM Marcus defense that going to say it's going to be any different this week. Cedar Hill comes from a district with defense geared more to stopping the run. If FM Marcus plays a 3-4 it could be interesting I'm not sure if Cedar Hill has played a team with that scheme this year yet..

As far as the offenses of Trinity and Marcus go I guess it all opinion. I'd say Hubbard is the better QB though....yards wise him and Boyd are similar. Hubbard has a 17-3 TD/Int while Boyd is 9-3. Hubbard also has better legs (another 500 yards rushing). As far as Running backs corps go Trinity has around 3400 yards rushing while Marcus has 2700.... Man to man they are very similar. I'd still say Trinity has a little bit more depth it seems like they can almost put anyone back there.... Trinity had a good offensive game against that Utah team the week before they played Cedar Hill. The only big difference I saw between that game and the Flower Mound game is their pass defense got a little bit better. I still think Trinity then was better then FM marcus now... They still had Tevin Williams then...

The only way Cedar Hill is going to throw over 20 passes next week is if Fm Marcus jumps out to a quick lead on 30 point lead on Cedar Hill early like before the middle of the second qtr. I don't see that happening with the type of offense FM Marcus has.

Using SLC though has a guage to the Marcus run defense is till stupid. Totally different system than what Chill runs with a totally different emphasis on what they are going to do. Marcus will not come out and defend Cedar Hill like they did Carroll. Cedar Hill does not pose the threat in the air that SLC did. So using that as a barameter is not a wise one.

Stephen Hopkins, Rufus Mason and Dagan Newsome are better than anything Trinity has stats look good but dont always tell the whole story. I dont know what Boyds passing was like against Hebron but I do not recall him throwing for a TD last week nor against FMHS. Boyds passing has led to Marcus down the field when needed and the big boys typically pound it in after that. Trinity plays in an extremely weak district where numbers can and will be inflated to prove a point. As for Boyd running, that is not part of the Marcus game plan but Boyd is an athlete that has and can make plays with his feet just hasnt had to much. Not saying Trinitty isnt good because they are very good but looking at the competition that is played on a weekly basis in both 6-5A and 5-5A and there is no comparison. Trinity was not better then than FMM is now. I saw them too and they simply were not. Tevin Williams is not better than Stephen Hopkins. Trinity doesnt have another running back as good as Rufus Mason either.

Marcus will not jump out to an early 30 point lead in the second quarter but neither will CHill. Martin does not have the running game that Marcus has and they do not have the overall offense but since you bring them up how the heck did they score 39 against Cedar Hill? I see where Cedar Hill scored quite a bit and I personally think it is stupid to use games from September against different opponents to judge what is going to happen in November but how did that happen? How did SGP another team not nearly as good as Marcus put up over 30?

[FeeltheHaka]

Hands down, Cedar Hill wins big.
I can't believe no one has mentioned CH's QB, Dryphus Jackson. (Not sure if I spelled his first name correctly.) In my opinion, he is the best QB I've seen in the state this year. He has every tool necessary to win any game. I think his best tool is it seems his teammates buy into whatever he does. Also, he makes great decisions. He can and will run the ball, and does not try to force something that's not there. In other words, he has great poise. He can pass the ball with the best of them.
Did everyone forget about Ben Malena? In case you did, Any of CH's backs are just as capable.
I just don't think Flower Mound Marcus has what it takes to take on Cedar Hill this year.
Cedar Hill will stop FMM's running game, and punish them in the process. CH's defense is definitely no slouch, and they play well together, and adjust quickly.
I wouldn't judge the Plano West game by anything, as I think CH might have overlooked them slightly.

[farmerfan]

Hands down, Cedar Hill wins big.
I can't believe no one has mentioned CH's QB, Dryphus Jackson. (Not sure if I spelled his first name correctly.) In my opinion, he is the best QB I've seen in the state this year. He has every tool necessary to win any game. I think his best tool is it seems his teammates buy into whatever he does. Also, he makes great decisions. He can and will run the ball, and does not try to force something that's not there. In other words, he has great poise. He can pass the ball with the best of them.
Did everyone forget about Ben Malena? In case you did, Any of CH's backs are just as capable.
I just don't think Flower Mound Marcus has what it takes to take on Cedar Hill this year.
Cedar Hill will stop FMM's running game, and punish them in the process. CH's defense is definitely no slouch, and they play well together, and adjust quickly.
I wouldn't judge the Plano West game by anything, as I think CH might have overlooked them slightly.

First off, its the playoffs, why the hell would Cedar Hill overlook their first round opponent? Especially an opponent who just a year earlier jumped on them by 30-40 points before CHill made a huge comeback. So that statement can be thrown out the window.

As for Jackson I am sure he is a fine young man and a good leader but since people want to use stats, lets do that for him real quick. He is a 50% passer. Thats it. Nothing too impressive. He has roughly a 2-1 TD-INT ratio. He is averaging less than 3 yards a carry and has only rushed for something like 280 yards and only thrown for around 1200. All that to show you that you really havent seen too many QB's this year if he is the best you have seen in the state.

Malena has battled injuries off and on all year. Last week he saw some PT but did not have many carries. Could have been a precautionary for this week but who knows.

[da hawaiian]

The CedarHill Rungame is pretty impressive. They certainly have big play potential, and it gets all the press, but the most impressive thing about CHill to me is it's defense.

Allen has the best offensive line in the state. CedarHill has a great offfensive line. Marcus's offensive line is servicealbe. Thankgod they have great backs. CedarHill will re-establish the LOS 5yds deep and Marcus will have to find a way to slow that down. The Secondary for Chill are huge gamblers, Marcus must make them pay. Benson and Smith are the best linebackers Marcus will have seen all year. If they have to Double team Musgrave at the point, Smith fills extinctively and Benson is lightning fast at 220lbs. Olabode is a wildcard. Either he's brilliant or he's a bust, love it or hate it
Big plays against CedarHill will be sparse if they don't originate out of the spread. Chill backside pursuit is fast and disciplined, it will limit long developing play action passes which is why throws must be made quickly and acurately. CedarhILL has great makeup speed. Plays that go wide looking for a corner will go wanting, they'll run it down everytime, don't be suprised if it's a big Dtackle making that play. QB ability to sell ball fake will be crittical to slowing them down to. You must make them hesitate or you can forget it

Marcus must eat clock to wear down the physce of a team that doesn't respect it. They must limit this to an 8 or less possession game. Keep it close and a heavy favorite will wither under the stress of expectations and disbeleif.

If they get behind by 14, Chill will win going away.

[SLC]

on a scale of 1 to 10 with 10 being best, how would some of you more knowledgeable posters rank FM Marcus's coaching?



Without question I'd say a 7-8. Erwin is a former championship winning coach, while the results haven't been what he might like, one must also consider that he took over a team that had fallen off greatly and implemented a completelty different style then what was previously there. The Marcus team's play is a testament to the style he brought to towm from La Marque...they are tough and disciplined and wont hurt themselves. You have to beat them, cause they wont give you any thing extra, you gotta earn it.

[ktCarl]

Without question I'd say a 7-8. Erwin is a former championship winning coach, while the results haven't been what he might like, one must also consider that he took over a team that had fallen off greatly and implemented a completelty different style then what was previously there. The Marcus team's play is a testament to the style he brought to towm from La Marque...they are tough and disciplined and wont hurt themselves. You have to beat them, cause they wont give you any thing extra, you gotta earn it.

Katy was two scores ahead of them and they came back to tie the game. They are a resilient bunch that doesn't seem to get flustered. They have a 'big hoss' of a running back.

[Marcus Fan]

Coach Erwin had one penalty all year. Too bad it was highly visible when he launched his hat across the field. I don't think he has worn the hat since..
For the most part I think they manage the game and clock fairly effectively..

[slcdragonfan]

Coach Erwin had one penalty all year. Too bad it was highly visible when he launched his hat across the field. I don't think he has worn the hat since..
For the most part I think they manage the game and clock fairly effectively..

Erwin, in the now infamous hat throwing incident:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_u7tq43sF4-U/SO0kczGmEOI/AAAAAAAAABU/msjqGN8HNqY/s320/OddJob

[Marcus Fan]

Erwin, in the now infamous hat throwing incident:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_u7tq43sF4-U/SO0kczGmEOI/AAAAAAAAABU/msjqGN8HNqY/s320/OddJob

I think Coach Erwin was more of an overhanded fastball launch and not the frisbee form depected above!

[btownfever]

What is the verdict on FMM passing game? I keep hearing that FMM passing is better than CHill's statistically speaking but what makes them a better passing? a better QB? better WR's? Also, you have to remember that CHill is a run first team that will pass to keep teams honest and for the year they have been pretty effective with Jackson throwing 13 TDs and 6 INT's and around 1500 yds passing. That is pretty good for a team that has two D1 recruits in the backfield...please share farmerfan.

[E-Vol-ution]

It would be a serious disservice to FMM to kick near Olabode.......also safe to say he will pick a pass off and score if one too many balls come in his area.
What is the verdict on FMM passing game? I keep hearing that FMM passing is better than CHill's statistically speaking but what makes them a better passing? a better QB? better WR's? Also, you have to remember that CHill is a run first team that will pass to keep teams honest and for the year they have been pretty effective with Jackson throwing 13 TDs and 6 INT's and around 1500 yds passing. That is pretty good for a team that has two D1 recruits in the backfield...please share farmerfan.

[A Fan]

DMN stat wise has FFM total passing at 1115 yds to C-Hill total passing at 1313 yds. not much difference. And even in the running game both are pretty equal C-Hill may have 50 more yds then FFM. Both teams are pretty even.

[Vols4Ever]

3/4 of a Bye week for Cedar Hill this week.

Game will be over by the end of 1st Qtr.

[farmerfan]

What is the verdict on FMM passing game? I keep hearing that FMM passing is better than CHill's statistically speaking but what makes them a better passing? a better QB? better WR's? Also, you have to remember that CHill is a run first team that will pass to keep teams honest and for the year they have been pretty effective with Jackson throwing 13 TDs and 6 INT's and around 1500 yds passing. That is pretty good for a team that has two D1 recruits in the backfield...please share farmerfan.

The Marcus passing game is nothing to write home to momma about but it isn't bad either. I hate using stats to try and compare one thing to another, just like I hate using scores of games that took place back in September but if you look at the stats both Boyd and Jackson are about equal in that department. I know that Jackson is right around 50% for the year on his completions and I believe Brode Boyd is slighty above that, I think Boyd has completed one more pass on the year than Jackson has but done so in 37 less attempts. Marcus does have an outstanding T.E. He is big and physcial and has good speed but very very good hands. They have slowly been getting him involved in the game more and more each week. Boyd has thrown for about 1100 yards and 9 TD's to only 3 INT's this year.

The one thing that surprises me most about the Marcus passing attack is they generally do not get their backs involved meaning they hardly ever run any kind of screen or flare passes. I believe Hopkins has only caught one ball all season. That could be something they will need to do this week to try and offset the aggresive nature of the Cedar Hill defense.

Make no mistake if Marcus can not get their passing game going and force the Cedar Hill defense to respect it then they could be in for a long afternoon. I have confidence in the decision making of Boyd and the threats Marcus has in their passing game that they will but we wont know until Saturday

[yankee]

The Marcus passing game is nothing to write home to momma about but it isn't bad either. I hate using stats to try and compare one thing to another, just like I hate using scores of games that took place back in September but if you look at the stats both Boyd and Jackson are about equal in that department. I know that Jackson is right around 50% for the year on his completions and I believe Brode Boyd is slighty above that, I think Boyd has completed one more pass on the year than Jackson has but done so in 37 less attempts. Marcus does have an outstanding T.E. He is big and physcial and has good speed but very very good hands. They have slowly been getting him involved in the game more and more each week. Boyd has thrown for about 1100 yards and 9 TD's to only 3 INT's this year.

The one thing that surprises me most about the Marcus passing attack is they generally do not get their backs involved meaning they hardly ever run any kind of screen or flare passes. I believe Hopkins has only caught one ball all season. That could be something they will need to do this week to try and offset the aggresive nature of the Cedar Hill defense.

Make no mistake if Marcus can not get their passing game going and force the Cedar Hill defense to respect it then they could be in for a long afternoon. I have confidence in the decision making of Boyd and the threats Marcus has in their passing game that they will but we wont know until Saturday

boyd has been very efficient for marcus. he plays within the system, and gets it done when it needs to get done. in the carroll game at the end, he showed the ability to pass consistently, and not just hit the big play on occasion. on the year, he's completed 65% of his passes with a 3:1 TD to INT ratio. like you said, the passing game is nothing to write home about, but i'll take marcus over CHILL in the passing department.

[A Fan]

boyd has been very efficient for marcus. he plays within the system, and gets it done when it needs to get done. in the carroll game at the end, he showed the ability to pass consistently, and not just hit the big play on occasion. on the year, he's completed 65% of his passes with a 3:1 TD to INT ratio. like you said, the passing game is nothing to write home about, but i'll take marcus over CHILL in the passing department.

The numbers tell the story all year long or even as long as i can remember in past years C-Hill has been labeled as a one dimensional team. I guess it is very safe to say that FFM is no different and can also join the one dimensional label club.

[CHill Jeff]

Looks like it may come down to which team shows the best defensive effort. I like the Longhorn's chances in that department.

[farmerfan]

The numbers tell the story all year long or even as long as i can remember in past years C-Hill has been labeled as a one dimensional team. I guess it is very safe to say that FFM is no different and can also join the one dimensional label club.

It certainly looks to be the case with those numbers doesn't it?
Just being familiar with Marcus, they do enough to force you to defend against the pass. I will be curious to see if CHill is going to come up and really challenge Marcus this week in that department. Meaning will they play their base defense or will they bring a safety up for an 8th man in the box and just play man all game? If they do how will Marcus react? I know nobody has done that to the Marauders yet this season.

[farmerfan]

Looks like it may come down to which team shows the best defensive effort. I like the Longhorn's chances in that department.

As you should. You don't get to 11-0 by being bad

[trainin' the game]

It certainly looks to be the case with those numbers doesn't it?
Just being familiar with Marcus, they do enough to force you to defend against the pass. I will be curious to see if CHill is going to come up and really challenge Marcus this week in that department. Meaning will they play their base defense or will they bring a safety up for an 8th man in the box and just play man all game? If they do how will Marcus react? I know nobody has done that to the Marauders yet this season.

i could see them mayb doing this at some point but not the whole game. no doubt the marcus wr are legit but i do not think they can run past the chill corners either so this is possible.

can't believe none has tried to bring up the safety all year.

[farmerfan]

i could see them mayb doing this at some point but not the whole game. no doubt the marcus wr are legit but i do not think they can run past the chill corners either so this is possible.

can't believe none has tried to bring up the safety all year.

The thing about the Marcus receivers is they are not big play threats. Martin is a smaller receiver that is very athletic but you are right, he is not going to be running past any of the CHill defensive backs. He really hasn't done that to anybody this year. Butler is your textbook TE. Big, tall, aggresive and has great hands. If Marcus can continue to avg around 10-12 yards per completion and both Martin and Butler can avg their 13 yards per catch this week that will be huge. IMO that is the key for Marcus.

[pvillepanthers61]

First I think CHill drops to #3 or #4 this week in AP polls sqeeking by unranked 5-5 Plano West.;)

As for the game CHill wins as FM Marcus is not that much better than West. CHill needs to play better or Marcus could pull an upset.

i can agree with that definitley Cedar hill does have a good team and is a contender for the title but they can come into this game softly

[15Adragon]

Call me crazy but I am picking Marcus in the upset here. Yes some of that may be them being so close to where I grew up but I also think Cedar Hill is a great matchup for Marcus. I understand that Cedar Hill is a very good football team and has an outstanding running game but stopping the run plays to the strengths of the Marcus defense. I do not think Cedar Hill is the type of team that will light it up through the air and I think Marcus will match up well with them defensively.
The Marcus passing game is not the best in teh world but it is leaps and bounds better than it was in week 2 against Plano West and in week 4 against Katy. Marcus has a running game to match that of Cedar Hill so that should be a wash. The big thing in this one is, who can make the plays in the passing game and on special teams. I know that Marcus has a good kicker and return game, what about Cedar Hill?

I am going Marcus 31 Cedar Hill 28

this. call me crazy too, but it is the PO's and there will be some upsets so why not this one.

[SLC]

I've looked it over and have the slimmest of margins with CHill winning it.


CHill 35

Marcus 31



Good luck to Marcus, I'll be pulling for the Marauders to win it!

[da hawaiian]

It certainly looks to be the case with those numbers doesn't it?
Just being familiar with Marcus, they do enough to force you to defend against the pass. I will be curious to see if CHill is going to come up and really challenge Marcus this week in that department. Meaning will they play their base defense or will they bring a safety up for an 8th man in the box and just play man all game? If they do how will Marcus react? I know nobody has done that to the Marauders yet this season.

Due to our inability to hit our passes, they stayed in man and walked everyone up, almost a true cover0 look I recall. A real shallow alignment, if you can get 8 yds past the LOS when they're gambling like that, it's a footrace to the endzone

[farmerfan]

Due to our inability to hit our passes, they stayed in man and walked everyone up, almost a true cover0 look I recall. A real shallow alignment, if you can get 8 yds past the LOS when they're gambling like that, it's a footrace to the endzone

A footrace that Marcus probably wont win but you get in enough times then it will back them off significantly. Knowing the wach Coach McGwire and co are it would not shock me to see CHill do this exact thing this week. Question is how much can Marcus get CHill to bite on that play fake and how well can the Backs step up and protect along with the O-Line. Give Boyd 2-3 secs in your pass pro and they just may be able to get past the CHill defenders in which case Boyd can not panic if he is feeling the pressure, he needs to remain calm and throw the pass as if he was just playing catch. Marcus does this a few times then we will have a ball game. They dont and we wont. Simple as that methinks.

[da hawaiian]

A footrace that Marcus probably wont win but you get in enough times then it will back them off significantly. Knowing the wach Coach McGwire and co are it would not shock me to see CHill do this exact thing this week. Question is how much can Marcus get CHill to bite on that play fake and how well can the Backs step up and protect along with the O-Line. Give Boyd 2-3 secs in your pass pro and they just may be able to get past the CHill defenders in which case Boyd can not panic if he is feeling the pressure, he needs to remain calm and throw the pass as if he was just playing catch. Marcus does this a few times then we will have a ball game. They dont and we wont. Simple as that methinks.

Very good Farmerfan. Protection was something we were unable to give hubbard. More a fault of our offensive backs and TE than it was our offensive line.

[farmerfan]

Very good Farmerfan. Protection was something we were unable to give hubbard. More a fault of our offensive backs and TE than it was our offensive line.

Good blocking running backs seems to be a lost art at the high school level in a lot of systems these days. On those play fakes it is key that those backs engage with a blitzing backer or get a good clean cut to buy time. I dont think Marcus can just rely on hitting the full back in the flats either. They must get those medium to to long rage passes complete. It is easy to defend a full back in the flat while playing in man but at times if you can get that one safety to bit then your TE or Receiver can get some separation from the rest and then that is where the art of the play action can be executed well. Trinity has always done this well and Marcus seems to be coming on in this department very strong. Hopkins and Mason are both big/physical backs so blocking should be something they take pride in and excel in. Its one thing to say it but another to do it.

[trainin' the game]

where are all the marcus fans???? i mean i know lewisville and southlake are close but dang their are hardly any marcus coming out and saying anything...

maybe they are just waiting......

i think this is going to be a great game i cannot wait to see jerry's world and the cedar hill longhorns on the field.... priceless.

[marcusdrillmom]

This game can be a very close one if Marcus shows up focused.

CHill is definately not a team you can let get a big lead on you.

I know Marcus is working hard as I am sure Chill is as well.

Would love to see us win (of course).

[da hawaiian]

Correct me if I'm wrong

6-5A and Trinity will be south side

8-5A and CedarHill will be north side

[SLC]

Correct me if I'm wrong

6-5A and Trinity will be south side

8-5A and CedarHill will be north side



My friend, I am as confused as ever about whats going on.

[trainin' the game]

Correct me if I'm wrong

6-5A and Trinity will be south side

8-5A and CedarHill will be north side

is north the home or vistor side.

[da hawaiian]

is north the home or vistor side.

Plano is Visitor
Allen is Home
Both are sitting on the north side

Which makes me believe they're splitting it by districts

I wasn't able to decide who I was rooting for SLC/ALLEN - not that it bares any significance whatsoever

Sitting on the SLC side will probably tip me towards green this weekend

Also towards Marcus too (who I consider big underdogs)

I'm going to catch all 4 this weekend again

[SLC]

Plano is Visitor
Allen is Home
Both are sitting on the north side


Ok, so Carroll is the visitor, but sitting on the home side (south side)?

[CHill Jeff]

is north the home or vistor side.


I don't know, but the CHISD email said that Longhorn fans should park in the North parking lots, so I'm assuming that's where we sit once inside, whether "home" or "visitor"

[A Fan]

is north the home or vistor side.

North is the vistors side sections A,B,J,K...C-Hill is on the vistor's side.

[trainin' the game]

North is the vistors side sections A,B,J,K...C-Hill is on the vistor's side.

are we going all white or white and red?

[A Fan]

are we going all white or white and red?

Your guess is as good as mind i have no idea. Personally i like the white and red we did the all white last year during playoffs and didn't like the final result.:D

[da hawaiian]

Your guess is as good as mind i have no idea. Personally i like the white and red we did the all white last year during playoffs and didn't like the final result.:D

Since both you and Marcus are different shades of Crimson, I'm assuming who-ever is visitor, will be wearing White.

[Marcus Fan]

Since both you and Marcus are different shades of Crimson, I'm assuming who-ever is visitor, will be wearing White.

Although if Chill is White, Marcus may come out in the Black jersey's again instead of red.

With 5 pages of talking I think all the pontification on this game is about done..Look forward to seeing some really good football on Saturday!

[farmerfan]

Although if Chill is White, Marcus may come out in the Black jersey's again instead of red.

With 5 pages of talking I think all the pontification on this game is about done..Look forward to seeing some really good football on Saturday!

This thread has been a blessing though. No trash talking and the Cedar Hill fans are a nice change since they do not get their panties in a wad if you do not pick their team to win. They are not talking trash about Marcus and just expecting to come out and blow Marcus out. It seems to be the fans from other teams that are saying yes they will blow Marcus out and no they wont.
I guess I am just starting crap though and I wonder If Cedar Hill has actually played anybody this year ;)

[CHill Jeff]

I guess I am just starting crap though and I wonder If Cedar Hill has actually played anybody this year ;)

I guess that would depend on what teams you would consider to be "anybody". (How's that for political civility?)

[farmerfan]

I guess that would depend on what teams you would consider to be "anybody". (How's that for political civility?)

Very well done Jeff.
Mine was more into a reference to a said poster who accused me of saying their team hadn't played anybody because I gave an honest assesment of why I thought their game this week was going to play out. I never said anything remotely close to that but he went ahead and said I did. He then came back and said I was just starting crap after I kept talking football. After I asked him to show me he then proceeded to put me on ignore :D;) traininthegame knows what I am talking about.

I can't wait for this game.

[justafan50]

I'm thinking this game should keep us on schedule Saturday time wise.What is the over/under on running plays?:)

[CHill Jeff]

Very well done Jeff.
Mine was more into a reference to a said poster who accused me of saying their team hadn't played anybody because I gave an honest assesment of why I thought their game this week was going to play out. I never said anything remotely close to that but he went ahead and said I did. He then came back and said I was just starting crap after I kept talking football. After I asked him to show me he then proceeded to put me on ignore :D;) traininthegame knows what I am talking about.

I can't wait for this game.

I'm familiar with the thread. I was just having fun with it as well.:)

[slcdragonfan]

Very well done Jeff.
Mine was more into a reference to a said poster who accused me of saying their team hadn't played anybody because I gave an honest assesment of why I thought their game this week was going to play out. I never said anything remotely close to that but he went ahead and said I did. He then came back and said I was just starting crap after I kept talking football. After I asked him to show me he then proceeded to put me on ignore :D;) traininthegame knows what I am talking about.

I can't wait for this game.

yeah yeah yeah.;)

I can't wait to see it either. I'm going to see all but the first one this Saturday, special permission from Mrs. SLCDragonFan. I am looking forward to seeing CHILL in person, and Marcus post-SLC game. Question: was Hayes playing against us last year? I don't remember him.

[farmerfan]

I'm familiar with the thread. I was just having fun with it as well.:)

continue to have fun. as I said, the Chill fans have been great in this thread(not that I expected them not to be). Makes me wonder what they are hiding since htey have been somewhat quiet themselves. Come on guys, spill your guts :D

[farmerfan]

yeah yeah yeah.;)

I can't wait to see it either. I'm going to see all but the first one this Saturday, special permission from Mrs. SLCDragonFan. I am looking forward to seeing CHILL in person, and Marcus post-SLC game. Question: was Hayes playing against us last year? I don't remember him.

No he was not. He transfered back over to CHill from Lincoln in the summer. I believe he started out at Chill as a freshman then maybe went to live with his mother or father and then transfered bck to Chill this year. He is a junior, right?

[slcdragonfan]

No he was not. He transfered back over to CHill from Lincoln in the summer. I believe he started at Chill as a freshman then maybe went to live with his mother or father and then transfered bck to Chill this year. He is a junior, right?

ahhhh. I think I remember some of that convo earlier this year. Now I connect the dots. Nice. Have you watched him? And which do you prefer, Hayes or Malena?

[farmerfan]

ahhhh. I think I remember some of that convo earlier this year. Now I connect the dots. Nice. Have you watched him? And which do you prefer, Hayes or Malena?

I've seen bits and pieces of him here and there but not enough to make a fair comparison to him or Malena. From the looks of it though he is the real deal and has stepped up big time for the Horns during Malensa absence.
I am wondering if CHill held out Malena as much as possible last week gearing up for the deeper playoff runs? I am wondering how much Marcus is going to have to deal with Malena this week?

[da hawaiian]

ahhhh. I think I remember some of that convo earlier this year. Now I connect the dots. Nice. Have you watched him? And which do you prefer, Hayes or Malena?

I like Haye's physicality (isn't he injured for this one?) Malena is slightly shiftier and quicker out of the blocks but post 2nd level speed I'd say they're about equal

[slcdragonfan]

I've seen bits and pieces of him here and there but not enough to make a fair comparison to him or Malena. From the looks of it though he is the real deal and has stepped up big time for the Horns during Malensa absence.
I am wondering if CHill held out Malena as much as possible last week gearing up for the deeper playoff runs? I am wondering how much Marcus is going to have to deal with Malena this week?

Me too. If you only have to face one it makes it a bit easier to defend.


I like Haye's physicality (isn't he injured for this one?) Malena is slightly shiftier and quicker out of the blocks but post 2nd level speed I'd say they're about equal

me too, that is exactly it. I figured Malena was probably a bit faster, but the size and power of Hayes make them an interesting combo. Reminds me a bit of the Cowboys....put in Felix for a bit, then put in Barbarian.

[farmerfan]

I like Haye's physicality (isn't he injured for this one?) Malena is slightly shiftier and quicker out of the blocks but post 2nd level speed I'd say they're about equal

Which is going to be huge for the Marcus D. They can not let those guys get into that 2nd level speed too often. Marcus needs to do a good job of wrapping up this week and holding on and making sure they take good pursuit angles. Once they get to the ball carrier hold on for dear life and let the pursuit finish them off. Going for the kill shot against these back will get you, well, killed on defense. If these backs are constantly getting to that second level and doing so untouched and well beyond the LOS then it is going to be a long day for the Marcus D. The Marcus D does not have anybody in the secondary that can keep up with the speed of Malena and Hayes if he is as fast.
I had no idea Hayes was injured last week. PM if you want since we need to limit that type of talk on here

[slcdragonfan]

Which is going to be huge for the Marcus D. They can not let those guys get into that 2nd level speed too often. Marcus needs to do a good job of wrapping up this week and holding on and making sure they take good pursuit angles. Once they get to the ball carrier hold on for dear life and let the pursuit finish them off. Going for the kill shot against these back will get you, well, killed on defense. If these backs are constantly getting to that second level and doing so untouched and well beyond the LOS then it is going to be a long day for the Marcus D. The Marcus D does not have anybody in the secondary that can keep up with the speed of Malena and Hayes if he is as fast.
I had no idea Hayes was injured last week. PM if you want since we need to limit that type of talk on here

That part reminds me of the Stephen Hopkins show last year against us.
I'd be interested in a PM as well if that is ok, understood if not.

[AE 8008]

continue to have fun. as I said, the Chill fans have been great in this thread(not that I expected them not to be). Makes me wonder what they are hiding since htey have been somewhat quiet themselves. Come on guys, spill your guts :D

one's been spittin game in the Abilene threads:D

[farmerfan]

one's been spittin game in the Abilene threads:D

That's what I'm saying man, spill on over here, the Chill fans can spit game with the best on this board :notworthy

[AE 8008]

That's what I'm saying man, spill on over here, the Chill fans can spit game with the best on this board :notworthy

thats just cause theyre full of snot:rolleyes:


;)

[farmerfan]

thats just cause theyre full of snot:rolleyes:


;)

alright there we go. CHill fans, you going to take that from the FWC guy;):D

[biggolfdad]

This could be a very close and interesting game.

;)

[da hawaiian]

That's what I'm saying man, spill on over here, the Chill fans can spit game with the best on this board :notworthy

They like you too much

[farmerfan]

They like you too much

That doesn't happen too often ;) I'm flattered if thats the case :o

[AE 8008]

alright there we go. CHill fans, you going to take that from the FWC guy;):D

While Liberty's winning state championships, we're studying for academic meet:D

i laugh that my class is referred to as the "athletic class". we had one guy play college who's now starting fullback for ACU

we went 6-5, and lost 56-7 in the first round to DC. year before they were 2-8, and years since theyve been 2-8 and 4-6.:eek:


but i can spell better than you:D

[AE 8008]

This could be a very close and interesting game.

;)


Bold assessment there, BGD;)

[farmerfan]

While Liberty's winning state championships, we're studying for academic meet:D

i laugh that my class is referred to as the "athletic class". we had one guy play college who's now starting fullback for ACU

we went 6-5, and lost 56-7 in the first round to DC. year before they were 2-8, and years since theyve been 2-8 and 4-6.:eek:


but i can spell better than you:D

LMAO
That's what you get when your main high school building is an old converted horse barn. I don't think Liberty has ever been known as an academic powerhouse :D:notworthy

[CHill Jeff]

No he was not. He transfered back over to CHill from Lincoln in the summer. I believe he started out at Chill as a freshman then maybe went to live with his mother or father and then transfered bck to Chill this year. He is a junior, right?

He's a senior.

[farmerfan]

He's a senior.

So what is in store for the future? Replacing Malena and Hayes and Benson among others looks to be tough, but it's not like you guys have lacked in the talent department the last couple of years

[CHill Jeff]

So what is in store for the future? Replacing Malena and Hayes and Benson among others looks to be tough, but it's not like you guys have lacked in the talent department the last couple of years


Ronnie Green is a junior RB who has been helping out in Malena's absence. On 41 carries he's averaged 9.6yds and claimed 5 TDs. Also have a couple of sophmore kickers who have looked promising in filling Camara's kicking. Jackson will be back at QB for another year and will have soph Andre Anderson as a backup. He hasn't had much play this year, but heard alot of good stuff about him as a Freshman.

[longball]

Just hope CH has everyone available so there wont be NO EXCUSES !!!!!!!!!!! YES WE CAN , YES WE WILL

[A Fan]

Just hope CH has everyone available so there wont be NO EXCUSES !!!!!!!!!!! YES WE CAN , YES WE WILL

That is actually on the cover of our football program this year. All In No Excuses which is my avatar. And there won't be any Excuses...after we beat FFM.:D

[CedarHillFinest214]

I can see their are alot of haters in this room and all over the state of tx. Let me clear something up right quick. As for CH Longhorns we are #1 in the State for a reason( Dont Hate) and as for losing this upcoming Saturday, not going to happen. CH offense is to good and the Defense is just awesome espically when their back is to the wall. So all you haters need to stop hating about CH . The finally score this saturday will be CH 48 FM 24 For CH win Baby. TTHL TTHL THis is (SB in Cedar Hill )

[the_phoenix612]

I can see their are alot of haters in this room and all over the state of tx. Let me clear something up right quick. As for CH Longhorns we are #1 in the State for a reason( Dont Hate) and as for losing this upcoming Saturday, not going to happen. CH offense is to good and the Defense is just awesome espically when their back is to the wall. So all you haters need to stop hating about CH . The finally score this saturday will be CH 48 FM 24 For CH win Baby. TTHL TTHL THis is (SB in Cedar Hill )
typing in large bold letters does not make your posts any more correct or important. in fact, some consider it rude and obnoxious.

Welcome to the board :)

[CedarHillFinest214]

I have some questions for all the haters, in this room that doesnt care to much for CH Longhorns. Question #1 can anyone in the State stop CH Mad Run Game my answer No, Question #2 what do you do when it comes time to Punt the ball my answer Kick it to us and see if you dont get BURN for a TD. Question #3 What do you do in the Second Half Teams dont score on us in the 2nd Half and we do alot of scoring. So their you go haters answer away please. I myself is a die hard CH fan, they will go all the way and win it all so stop the hating please.

[slcdragonfan]

I can see their are alot of haters in this room and all over the state of tx. Let me clear something up right quick. As for CH Longhorns we are #1 in the State for a reason( Dont Hate) and as for losing this upcoming Saturday, not going to happen. CH offense is to good and the Defense is just awesome espically when their back is to the wall. So all you haters need to stop hating about CH . The finally score this saturday will be CH 48 FM 24 For CH win Baby. TTHL TTHL THis is (SB in Cedar Hill )

Us vs. them....AGAIN. Define hater? Someone that does not agree with you? someone that picks the other team? What?
You got a lot to learn about haters, we can give you some of ours.... :rolleyes:

I guess these other teams should just not even come and play, cause that's hatin' baby! And the fans shouldn't think their team can win, cause that's hatin', baby!

Grief. I'm sick of this, you are actually making haters with all this hater talk. Just stop. People are respecting CHILL. They are also respecting Marcus. You might blow them out, and then again they just might win. Then will you be the hater because you didn't pick them?

[trainin' the game]

That is actually on the cover of our football program this year. All In No Excuses which is my avatar. And there won't be any Excuses...after we beat FFM.:D

and i put on my mama!!!!:D love that song.

[CedarHillFinest214]

Aww SLC Fan did I hurt your feelings did I blind you, Im so sorry you just mad CH kicked your butt last year and you also mad you want get the chance to play us this year to redeem yourself cause one thing is for sure SLC will be going home after their game this Saturday night, SLC has no chance of beating Allen. As for CH we would give them a better game. SLC Fan can I ask you a question Why win SCL won the title in 2006 your coach, your team didnt want to play one more game againts CH Finest, umm let me answer that Yall know dang well what would of happen CH would of pounded all over SLC by 30 at least. lol lol lol Have a good day SLC Fan .

[slcdragonfan]

Aww SLC Fan did I hurt your feelings did I blind you, Im so sorry you just mad CH kicked your butt last year and you also mad you want get the chance to play us this year to redeem yourself cause one thing is for sure SLC will be going home after their game this Saturday night, SLC has no chance of beating Allen. As for CH we would give them a better game. SLC Fan can I ask you a question Why win SCL won the title in 2006 your coach, your team didnt want to play one more game againts CH Finest, umm let me answer that Yall know dang well what would of happen CH would of pounded all over SLC by 30 at least. lol lol lol Have a good day SLC Fan .

Funny guy, another 4 post wonder in bold and big font. We'll see how long you stick around if or when CHILL loses. I've seen your type too many times over the years. Perhaps your fellow CHILL fans can keep you from embarrassing them any more than you already have but my experience says you won't shut up. Watch the hand: blah blah blah blah blah blah.
When you have something to contribute, come on back here and tell us something other than bluster and nonsense.

By the way, funny you didn't mention 2007, seems we met then if my memory serves me correctly.

[CedarHillFinest214]

Aww did I hit a nerve, lol lol you will be ok. The reason why I stated everyone is hating is because of what everyone is typing about CH. CH didnt struggle againts PW. Let me go back to the questions, Did PW rush for over 10 yards umm nope. What did PW do in the second half, if it wasnt for the darn refs they wouldnt got that 2nd td. Bad refs = bad game. No excuses. I will say this any team that plays CH better play the whole entire game if not you will lose, everyone knows CH starts out slow, so what its how you end the game that counts.

[the_phoenix612]

Aww did I hit a nerve, lol lol you will be ok. The reason why I stated everyone is hating is because of what everyone is typing about CH. CH didnt struggle againts PW. Let me go back to the questions, Did PW rush for over 10 yards umm nope. What did PW do in the second half, if it wasnt for the darn refs they wouldnt got that 2nd td. Bad refs = bad game. No excuses. I will say this any team that plays CH better play the whole entire game if not you will lose, everyone knows CH starts out slow, so what its how you end the game that counts.
Here's to you, Mr. Playoff Poster.

[slcdragonfan]

Aww did I hit a nerve, lol lol you will be ok. The reason why I stated everyone is hating is because of what everyone is typing about CH. CH didnt struggle againts PW. Let me go back to the questions, Did PW rush for over 10 yards umm nope. What did PW do in the second half, if it wasnt for the darn refs they wouldnt got that 2nd td. Bad refs = bad game. No excuses. I will say this any team that plays CH better play the whole entire game if not you will lose, everyone knows CH starts out slow, so what its how you end the game that counts.

That's a little better. The thing is, the deeper you go, the harder it is to catch up if you get behind. CH better play the whole entire game as well starting right now. I know they can. But as good as they were, CHILL did not get to state last year. To get there this year, you have to play each and every minute starting in this game. FMM is good enough to catch CHILL napping, you better believe it. So is Allen or Bowie or SLC or TJT. You are not the only good team in the state.

[trainin' the game]

don't know who you are but here are a couple of suggestions before you come on here and start talking trash:

a. pump your brakes a little and read the posts before you comment.

b. just because someone else thinks different from your opinion does not make them a hater.

c. change your font back to regular; the font you have shows you are yelling.

d. show some respect if you call someone out then call'em out don't just put everyone is a hater; give a definition of what a hater is in your book then call out that person.

right now you have just run up in my thread and start throwing a temper-tantrom for no good reason and you have not explained why.

try these things and people will will respect your posts and comments more. you seem like your only gonna be around through december, but welcome to the board anyway.

ps i'm a cedar hill fan; so i'm not hatin just giving you "the real".

[CedarHillFinest214]

CH had a young team last year also why do you think CH got blasted by Trinity on their home field and came back this year and got Trinity on their home field. CH has a darn good team last year was last year lets talk about what is going to happen this year CH will take care of bussiness watch and see and as for me I will be around here the whole entire Playoffs win or lose im no chump like some of you are.

[slcdragonfan]

Aww SLC Fan did I hurt your feelings did I blind you, Im so sorry you just mad CH kicked your butt last year and you also mad you want get the chance to play us this year to redeem yourself cause one thing is for sure SLC will be going home after their game this Saturday night, SLC has no chance of beating Allen. As for CH we would give them a better game. SLC Fan can I ask you a question Why win SCL won the title in 2006 your coach, your team didnt want to play one more game againts CH Finest, umm let me answer that Yall know dang well what would of happen CH would of pounded all over SLC by 30 at least. lol lol lol Have a good day SLC Fan .

Oh, and one more thing....how could we have made that happen? I know every year the two top teams (DI/DII winners) want to play each other, but for some reason it doesn't happen. :rolleyes:;)

[CedarHillFinest214]

First of all lets get something straight I dont want or need your respect ok, do you get that clear, and second anyone that puts down, talks bad about CH in way shape or form is a hater ok. Do you understand that. Dont hate on CH cause we only beat PW by 9 points so what a win is a win, no matter how it comes. My question to all you non CH Fans if your school that you like is so good why didnt ESPN come to your school and ask you to play a game and be on National TV. I cant hear you. They will be back next year and CH will be Stocked and loaded once again, like always so enough of your garbage talk.

[trainin' the game]

CH had a young team last year also why do you think CH got blasted by Trinity on their home field and came back this year and got Trinity on their home field. CH has a darn good team last year was last year lets talk about what is going to happen this year CH will take care of bussiness watch and see and as for me I will be around here the whole entire Playoffs win or lose im no chump like some of you are.

dude seriously who called you a chump?!? who is some of you? if you calling somebody a chump then call'em a dang chump. you are really making us look bad just stop! :Censor:

[A Fan]

don't know who you are but here are a couple of suggestions before you come on here and start talking trash:

a. pump your brakes a little and read the posts before you comment.

b. just because someone else thinks different from your opinion does not make them a hater.

c. change your font back to regular; the font you have shows you are yelling.

d. so some respect if you call someone out then call'em out don't just put everyone is a hater; give a definition of what a hater is in your book then call out that person.

right now you have just run up in my thread and start throwing a temper-tantrom for no good reason and you have not explained why.

try these things and people will will respect your posts and comments more. you seem like your only gonna be around through december, but welcome to the board anyway.

ps i'm a cedar hill fan; so i'm not hatin just giving you "the real".

Oh let him write in bold, i just pulled up a front row seat so i could read the fight. Come on C-Hillfinest214 lets go baby...give it to them speak your mind.:D

[CedarHillFinest214]

Hello To all my CH fans out their this is Shaun B yall know who this is . For all you others that have a problem with my thread holla at me tell me how you fell my email address is cdbell214@yahoo.com fill free to shoot me a email anytime . CH all the way baby TTHL TTHL

[trainin' the game]

Oh let him write in bold, i just pulled up a front row seat so i could read the fight. Come on C-Hillfinest214 lets go baby...give it to them speak your mind.:D

ok i guess every team has one so here is ours:ninja:

to the rest of the board; i apologize.

:Music ear muffs for this guys and we are pulling for the same team:Censor:

[CedarHillFinest214]

Most of the bloggers and thread writers on here cant handle the truth. Folks come on here giving their opinions about CH and how the team is in which is so sad. Why would someone in their right mind think that FM can beat CH. Who has FM played, who have they beat. I myself think they have no players on CH level . People can say what they want thats why the game is played , when saturday comes and the game is over I want all the folks that thought CH would lose come back on here and say Im sorry lol lol can yall do that .

[btownfever]

i know this is a forum but lets not abandon all rules of grammar, it becomes a little confusing when there should be a comma or period.

I don't think there are any true haters on this thread, i would call them doubters but in actuality they are just supporting their team and there is absolutely nothing wrong with rooting against my Horns. i would rather debate with a true fan of the opposing team instead of a band wagon rider...

Make no mistake FMM is a quality football team, their strength is their offense but their defense really isn't at that level IMO and that to me is the difference and I believe the CH defense will allow at the most, 3 touchdowns while CH offense will undoubtedly score 5 touchdowns IMO. But we cannot be loose against FMM because they are plenty good enough to shock any team in this state, but I do not think they will Saturday.

Great job on this thread farmerfan, you are a true fan IMO and i respect your pick of the upset but i also respectfully disagree!

[Maxthedog]

CH had a young team last year also why do you think CH got blasted by Trinity on their home field and came back this year and got Trinity on their home field. CH has a darn good team last year was last year lets talk about what is going to happen this year CH will take care of bussiness watch and see and as for me I will be around here the whole entire Playoffs win or lose im no chump like some of you are.

I disagree.

[trainin' the game]

guess you didnt take ms. godoy's english composition class:Censor:

[A Fan]

i know this is a forum but lets not abandon all rules of grammar, it becomes a little confusing when there should be a comma or period.

I don't think there are any true haters on this thread, i would call them doubters but in actuality they are just supporting their team and there is absolutely nothing wrong with rooting against my Horns. i would rather debate with a true fan of the opposing team instead of a band wagon rider...

Make no mistake FMM is a quality football team, their strength is their offense but their defense really isn't at that level IMO and that to me is the difference and I believe the CH defense will allow at the most, 3 touchdowns while CH offense will undoubtedly score 5 touchdowns IMO. But we cannot be loose against FMM because they are plenty good enough to shock any team in this state, but I do not think they will Saturday.

Great job on this thread farmerfan, you are a true fan IMO and i respect your pick of the upset but i also respectfully disagree!

+1 :notworthy

[CHill Jeff]

Dang it all! We were doing so well on the civility index!

[slcdragonfan]

OK, Shaun Bell @ cdbell214@yahoo.com. Not sure what it means to post your real name and email address on here....
In fact, I picked CHILL to win, but by less than 10.

I can understand being excited for your team. I hope we get to meet, can't wait to hear your insightful commentary about our team and how bad we are. If not, then perhaps you can enlighten us on how Bowie or Allen are overrated as well. Get past those, then perhaps TJT can enter your sights. Get past those and we can all give Katy some smack. ;) :notworthy

Best wishes, think I am done with posting here, be watching ya'll on Saturday, looking for it to be a good game. No dog in this hunt really except a 6-5A brethren, gonna support my District.

***edit: I left out Abilene***

[tjw]

ok i guess every team has one so here is ours:ninja:

to the rest of the board; i apologize.

So the newbie trying take your place???:D Sorry could not resist.

Well at least he is pretty bad and sometimes your comments are only slightly degrading so he makes you look that much better.;)

...I want all the folks that thought CH would lose come back on here and say Im sorry lol lol can yall do that.

As long as you do when they are eliminated out of the playoffs.:D

http://www.criticallayouts.com/images/rsgallery/original/i-see-dumb-people.jpg

[trainin' the game]

So the newbie trying take your place???:D Sorry could not resist.

Well at least he is pretty bad and sometimes your comments are only slightly degrading so he makes you look that much better.;)



As long as you do when they are eliminated out of the playoffs.:D

http://www.criticallayouts.com/images/rsgallery/original/i-see-dumb-people.jpg

now i might rustel some feathers from time to time but :Censor:

that poster is pretty good. i'm done talking about this back to the game!!!

ch wins

[CedarHillFinest214]

ch 48- fm 24 tthl tthl

[tjw]

now i might rustel some feathers from time to time but :Censor:

that poster is pretty good. i'm done talking about this back to the game!!!

ch wins

I don't think they will lose this week either, but did not look good in upcoming games to only beat Plano West who was 5-5 on the season by 9? I see Rivals has Cedar Hill stock falling because of it. As well as next couple of weeks opponents looking at it and now saying we can beat CHill for sure. All in perspective. Saturday should be fun will the four games at the Death Star.

[CedarHillFinest214]

Everyone and their opinions. I tend to lol at most of them like they tend to lol at mind. I give credit to all , but when it comes to CH they will take care of bussiness hands down.

[slcdragonfan]

ch 48- fm 24 tthl tthl

:notworthy
Now, I will admit, that is funny.

[CedarHillFinest214]

A win is a win right. Thats what I thought in my book no matter by how many points you win by long as you win the ball game. Once again I must say CH will take care of FMM ok . CH will have a better game this week . Who cares about what rivals has CH so what if their stock is falling , The team nor the coach cares about where they are ranked all they care is about winning the ball game so enough with that. TTHL TTHL

[AE 8008]

Omg cedar hill is SO overrated. what is this thread for? Can we please talk aboUt some real contenders??



...

[CedarHillFinest214]

CH what more can I say about them . Real good team starts out slow but takes care of bussiness at games end. Everyone knows CH is a 2nd half team , so FMM better get a early lead.

[trainin' the game]

Omg cedar hill is SO overrated. what is this thread for? Can we please talk aboUt some real contenders??



...

just make sure ya'll win saturday!!!!

[CedarHillFinest214]

CH is a Real Contender for winning it all. Go Longhorns TTHL TTHL

[A Fan]

Omg cedar hill is SO overrated. what is this thread for? Can we please talk aboUt some real contenders??



...
You might want to focus on EPC if ya get pass them then we can talk about who is overrated and real contenders.

[tjw]

Who cares about what rivals has CH so what if their stock is falling , The team nor the coach cares about where they are ranked all they care is about winning the ball game so enough with that.

Not sure about that but seems like the fans do, whats the name on this thread? ;)

[AE 8008]

Not sure about that but seems like the fans do, whats the name on this thread? ;)

pwnd!!!

[btownfever]

Omg cedar hill is SO overrated. what is this thread for? Can we please talk aboUt some real contenders??



...


Well Abilene is God's gift to Texas football, didn't ya'll know? EPC reminds me a lot of Mansfield....

[AE 8008]

Cedar Hill. sounds like a bunch of tree huggers:rolleyes:

[marcusdrillmom]

CH is a Real Contender for winning it all. Go Longhorns TTHL TTHL

I am pretty sure no one is doubting or hating on your team. Nothing but respect for CHill on this thread.

Any given day though an upset can happen. Marcus is a pretty good team, all anyone here has said is that it is possible for them to upset CHill.

You need to calm down and show respect to others;)

[farmerfan]

I can see their are alot of haters in this room and all over the state of tx. Let me clear something up right quick. As for CH Longhorns we are #1 in the State for a reason( Dont Hate) and as for losing this upcoming Saturday, not going to happen. CH offense is to good and the Defense is just awesome espically when their back is to the wall. So all you haters need to stop hating about CH . The finally score this saturday will be CH 48 FM 24 For CH win Baby. TTHL TTHL THis is (SB in Cedar Hill )

There we go. The trash talk is starting. I can feel it. However, first you are playing Marcus and not FM, second, if your defense is so AWESOME, then how come you are going to giveup 24 points? why not a shutout?

[farmerfan]

I have some questions for all the haters, in this room that doesnt care to much for CH Longhorns. Question #1 can anyone in the State stop CH Mad Run Game my answer No, Question #2 what do you do when it comes time to Punt the ball my answer Kick it to us and see if you dont get BURN for a TD. Question #3 What do you do in the Second Half Teams dont score on us in the 2nd Half and we do alot of scoring. So their you go haters answer away please. I myself is a die hard CH fan, they will go all the way and win it all so stop the hating please.

Mr Finest, do you have this name because you are acop? If so then go D.I.A.F.
After that, who on this forum has been hating and please direct to where the hating has been taking place? If not go find some other corrupt B.S you cops get into and get back to us. Thanks ;)

[farmerfan]

Us vs. them....AGAIN. Define hater? Someone that does not agree with you? someone that picks the other team? What?
You got a lot to learn about haters, we can give you some of ours.... :rolleyes:

I guess these other teams should just not even come and play, cause that's hatin' baby! And the fans shouldn't think their team can win, cause that's hatin', baby!

Grief. I'm sick of this, you are actually making haters with all this hater talk. Just stop. People are respecting CHILL. They are also respecting Marcus. You might blow them out, and then again they just might win. Then will you be the hater because you didn't pick them?

Nicely said Mr Jacka.....;........;)

[farmerfan]

Aww SLC Fan did I hurt your feelings did I blind you, Im so sorry you just mad CH kicked your butt last year and you also mad you want get the chance to play us this year to redeem yourself cause one thing is for sure SLC will be going home after their game this Saturday night, SLC has no chance of beating Allen. As for CH we would give them a better game. SLC Fan can I ask you a question Why win SCL won the title in 2006 your coach, your team didnt want to play one more game againts CH Finest, umm let me answer that Yall know dang well what would of happen CH would of pounded all over SLC by 30 at least. lol lol lol Have a good day SLC Fan .

I never knew that Coach Dodge had the power to play anothe game. News to me. I guess Coach Dodge had some kind of control over the UIL that no team since 1990 had ever had. Wow.

[farmerfan]

Aww did I hit a nerve, lol lol you will be ok. The reason why I stated everyone is hating is because of what everyone is typing about CH. CH didnt struggle againts PW. Let me go back to the questions, Did PW rush for over 10 yards umm nope. What did PW do in the second half, if it wasnt for the darn refs they wouldnt got that 2nd td. Bad refs = bad game. No excuses. I will say this any team that plays CH better play the whole entire game if not you will lose, everyone knows CH starts out slow, so what its how you end the game that counts.

LOL. Man you are a riot. I hate those darn refs too. Especially when they award a TD when the ball was still 50 yards away from the goaline. Don't you?
Most know they have to play thge whole game againt Chill. However this is the playoffs and if the trend continues, CHill will be going home sooner than later for not, ready, ........ playing an entire game

[farmerfan]

First of all lets get something straight I dont want or need your respect ok, do you get that clear, and second anyone that puts down, talks bad about CH in way shape or form is a hater ok. Do you understand that. Dont hate on CH cause we only beat PW by 9 points so what a win is a win, no matter how it comes. My question to all you non CH Fans if your school that you like is so good why didnt ESPN come to your school and ask you to play a game and be on National TV. I cant hear you. They will be back next year and CH will be Stocked and loaded once again, like always so enough of your garbage talk.

Awesome. So no ESPN is the measuring stick for why you team is good? Man, that is incredible. ESPN does know everything dont they? Especially about HS football :notworthy

[farmerfan]

Most of the bloggers and thread writers on here cant handle the truth. Folks come on here giving their opinions about CH and how the team is in which is so sad. Why would someone in their right mind think that FM can beat CH. Who has FM played, who have they beat. I myself think they have no players on CH level . People can say what they want thats why the game is played , when saturday comes and the game is over I want all the folks that thought CH would lose come back on here and say Im sorry lol lol can yall do that .

Yeah man, you are so right. Those players on Marcus just plain, well, they :Censor: suck. Suck so much. I don't even know why the gawds of football allow some of those kids to suit up. The worst are those number 2 and number 13. Those guys are just flat terrible. Disgrace to be honest. Man you sure hit the nail on the head with this post.
I think a lot are convinced after that asesome victory over DeSoto and Arl Martin that you all had. Man talk about impressive. :notworthy

[farmerfan]

i know this is a forum but lets not abandon all rules of grammar, it becomes a little confusing when there should be a comma or period.

I don't think there are any true haters on this thread, i would call them doubters but in actuality they are just supporting their team and there is absolutely nothing wrong with rooting against my Horns. i would rather debate with a true fan of the opposing team instead of a band wagon rider...

Make no mistake FMM is a quality football team, their strength is their offense but their defense really isn't at that level IMO and that to me is the difference and I believe the CH defense will allow at the most, 3 touchdowns while CH offense will undoubtedly score 5 touchdowns IMO. But we cannot be loose against FMM because they are plenty good enough to shock any team in this state, but I do not think they will Saturday.

Great job on this thread farmerfan, you are a true fan IMO and i respect your pick of the upset but i also respectfully disagree!

Sir it has been a lot of fun. Mr Finest is passionate and is adding some fun to a thread that well, didnt have much trash going on. What he is saying does not take away from my thoughts on your team or program. You guys are a damn fine football team and Marcus is going to have to play at a high lelvel for 48 minutes to win this game, for some reason I think they have it in them. Time will tell on Saturday

[Maxthedog]

FF your post counter is not adding,,,did you make your beer payments to the Katy Syndicate that run the board? You know,,,The same bunch that payoff the UIL to schedule crappy teams just so Katy can backdoor their way into the State game:)

[farmerfan]

FF your post counter is not adding,,,did you make your beer payments to the Katy Syndicate that run the board? You know,,,The same bunch that payoff the UIL to schedule crappy teams just so Katy can backdoor their way into the State game:)

Come to thinbk of it, I am lagging on my payments. They are awfully nice in Katy though. Thank goodness for that, because we all know if they were in Plano that would be different. Why, because, WELL, plano sucks :D

[TrojanHorse03]

Yeah man, you are so right. Those players on Marcus just plain, well, they :Censor: suck. Suck so much. I don't even know why the gawds of football allow some of those kids to suit up. The worst are those number 2 and number 13. Those guys are just flat terrible. Disgrace to be honest. Man you sure hit the nail on the head with this post.
I think a lot are convinced after that asesome victory over DeSoto and Arl Martin that you all had. Man talk about impressive. :notworthy

They also 'whipped' Trinity.

[longball]

Thats why we will PLAY THE GAME Saturday for 48 minutes , YES WE CAN, YES WE WILL 31 28 Marcus upsets ESPN s team:cool:

[farmerfan]

They also 'whipped' Trinity.

A fine win that was too. Not too many teams can say they have gone into Pennington and done that to Trinity this decade. However, like Marcus, who has Trinity really beaten to actually prove they are a great team? Nobody and that is the point I was trying to make to him. Trust me, Trinity is a fine team, a damn good one but Marcus isn't too shabby themselves.

[Maxthedog]

Come to thinbk of it, I am lagging on my payments. They are awfully nice in Katy though. Thank goodness for that, because we all know if they were in Plano that would be different. Why, because, WELL, plano sucks :D

Whew,,it's working now! I want to make sure you get credit for all those swell post you just responded to, also you were smart by not saying Katy SUX, instead you said Plano sux,,whew I was afraid you might say CH sux:)
Because you surely don't want to use the big kahona and we all know that one,,,The Suck that is suck,,ONLY applies to Plano,,,a true classic!

[slcdragonfan]

Nicely said Mr Jacka.....;........;)

funny thing, I wasn't even thinking of you when I wrote that. Thanks though. ;)

[farmerfan]

Whew,,it's working now! I want to make sure you get credit for all those swell post you just responded to, also you were smart by not saying Katy SUX, instead you said Plano sux,,whew I was afraid you might say CH sux:)
Because you surely don't want to use the big kahona and we all know that one,,,The Suck that is suck,,ONLY applies to Plano,,,a true classic!

Indeed sir. There is no suck like that of good ole Plain-O-SUCK

[Maxthedog]

A fine win that was too. Not too many teams can say they have gone into Pennington and done that to Trinity this decade. However, like Marcus, who has Trinity really beaten to actually prove they are a great team? Nobody and that is the point I was trying to make to him. Trust me, Trinity is a fine team, a damn good one but Marcus isn't too shabby themselves.

You left out Southlake,,,where's the love man?

[farmerfan]

funny thing, I wasn't even thinking of you when I wrote that. Thanks though. ;)

I'm easily forgotten. No worries ;)

[farmerfan]

You left out Southlake,,,where's the love man?

Marcus came up short against Southlake.

[3rd Generation Katy]

Ill go out on a limb here and say that Marcus pulls this one out.... I was impressed with the quality of play of Marcus against Katy. This team has the ability to come up and bite you....

[tjw]

Here's a real Cedar Hill fan:
http://caseyscaverns.com/3/ani/Chill.gif

[green day]

Typically weak on predictions, but big time strong on the FMM football team playing after Saturday...

[trainin' the game]

Typically weak on predictions, but big time strong on the FMM football team playing after Saturday...

ive looked at the tape of serveral marcus films and here how i think it will play out..... chill will have to stay displined in their assignments they will not need to over pursue the ball this will be hard bc marcus is slower than most of them the problem comes in is bc hoskins is so deep in the back field (7 to 9 yds) that if that backside backer over pursue's they it creates a natural cut back lane for the rb. They will have to play much like they did against trinity and run the midline and the de will have to contain and not give up the edge... Marcus will test this early i think with some new play action stuff and misdirection things trying to get cedar hill out of their lanes..... I think the te will be huge and they will try some back out of the back field stuff...

on offense chill better take advantage of every possession they get..... malena, haynes, and driphus will have to be on the same page i do not think marcus will bring up a safety early because they cannot match up with the speed of chill on the outside..... however i do feel like they will run alot of zone type stunts and blitzs to try and confuse driphus..... since ch does not pass much i dont think this work and eventually marcus will be put in a catch 22 and have to bring up the safety to stop the run; they it's free game but driphus will have to make them pay for that.

specail teams will be key especially punt and punt return chill needs to try and make marcus drive the field and kill clock on themselves especially when chill has the lead.... people keep kicking the ball to elisha olabode which is a mistake and if marcus does this they will get burned too (mark it down)..... the kid is a freak and a go-daddy; no time to let ego's get in the way; do kick it to him...... we will see with that.

overall you cant coach speed chill has it and marcus does not; so you can put kids in the right place to make a play but if my kid is faster than yours he will beat them to that point of attck and it's kiss the baby and fight song!!!

chill 38 marcus 17. tthl!!!!

[CHill Jeff]

ive looked at the tape of serveral marcus films and here how i think it will play out.....
chill 38 marcus 17. tthl!!!!

Excellent analysis Mr. Game!!!:notworthy

[Maxthedog]

Excellent analysis Mr. Game!!!:notworthy

+1

Marcus MUST control the game with their O, which they have the potential to do(ground and pound), long time burning drives, to put pressure on the CH O. If it turns into a track meet, CH has the better track team.

[E-Vol-ution]

CHILL will control the trenches and therefore take this one. They match up with Marcus better than a team like PW.

[CedarHillFinest214]

Good Luck to FMM, cause they will need it. You cant prepare for speed all over the field can you. CH will take care of bussiness watch and see I will be back on here tommorrow night to see where are the nay sayers are at . Good luck to both teams.

[CHill Jeff]

Good Luck to FMM, cause they will need it. You cant prepare for speed all over the field can you. CH will take care of bussiness watch and see I will be back on here tommorrow night to see where are the nay sayers are at . Good luck to both teams.

Now we're talkin'! We may qualify for that good conduct medal yet! I'm looking forward to a great game, but see Cedar Hill 45-20 over Marcus.

Time to TTHL!!!!!

[farmerfan]

ive looked at the tape of serveral marcus films and here how i think it will play out..... chill will have to stay displined in their assignments they will not need to over pursue the ball this will be hard bc marcus is slower than most of them the problem comes in is bc hoskins is so deep in the back field (7 to 9 yds) that if that backside backer over pursue's they it creates a natural cut back lane for the rb. They will have to play much like they did against trinity and run the midline and the de will have to contain and not give up the edge... Marcus will test this early i think with some new play action stuff and misdirection things trying to get cedar hill out of their lanes..... I think the te will be huge and they will try some back out of the back field stuff...

on offense chill better take advantage of every possession they get..... malena, haynes, and driphus will have to be on the same page i do not think marcus will bring up a safety early because they cannot match up with the speed of chill on the outside..... however i do feel like they will run alot of zone type stunts and blitzs to try and confuse driphus..... since ch does not pass much i dont think this work and eventually marcus will be put in a catch 22 and have to bring up the safety to stop the run; they it's free game but driphus will have to make them pay for that.

specail teams will be key especially punt and punt return chill needs to try and make marcus drive the field and kill clock on themselves especially when chill has the lead.... people keep kicking the ball to elisha olabode which is a mistake and if marcus does this they will get burned too (mark it down)..... the kid is a freak and a go-daddy; no time to let ego's get in the way; do kick it to him...... we will see with that.

overall you cant coach speed chill has it and marcus does not; so you can put kids in the right place to make a play but if my kid is faster than yours he will beat them to that point of attck and it's kiss the baby and fight song!!!

chill 38 marcus 17. tthl!!!!

Very good breakdown. You are right about the speed. CHill has it and Marcus does not. Marcus must be even more disciplined than they normally are this week. Enjoyed reading this post trainin. Good luck to your boys tomorrow :notworthy

[farmerfan]

Good Luck to FMM, cause they will need it. You cant prepare for speed all over the field can you. CH will take care of bussiness watch and see I will be back on here tommorrow night to see where are the nay sayers are at . Good luck to both teams.

I am sure those who picked against CHill will be back tomorrow after this game win or lose. In fact if CHill wins you can bet your bottom dollar it will then turn to whoever won the Allen-carroll game as to the team that will then beat Chill.
The best way to prepare for speed is to become gang tacklers. First man to the ball needs not to go for the kill shot, get their and wrap up or just grab some jersey or something and hold on and the let the pursuit come and finish it off. Marcus has to be gang tacklers on defense tomorrow. They do that then they can limit that Chill speed advantage.

[E-Vol-ution]

Katy ran up over 300yds on Marcus, and I'd give the running game of CHILL a higher grade.....so I don't see Marcus making CHILL have to resort to the pass to win. If they do....both Coppell and Carroll showed it can be done on them though I'd grade each of those teams passing game over CHILL's. Carroll with a mixed attack because Avers did well on ground and Coppell solely through the air. That being said CHILL can throw as needed and has an ace receiver.
It's hard to see Marcus overcome that.
CHILL by 14.

[CHill Jeff]

The best way to prepare for speed is to become gang tacklers. First man to the ball needs not to go for the kill shot, get their and wrap up or just grab some jersey or something and hold on and the let the pursuit come and finish it off. Marcus has to be gang tacklers on defense tomorrow.

They would need that. I've seen 4+ tacklers needed to take Hayes and Malena down when they are ramped up.

[farmerfan]

Katy ran up over 300yds on Marcus, and I'd give the running game of CHILL a higher grade.....so I don't see Marcus making CHILL have to resort to the pass to win. If they do....both Coppell and Carroll showed it can be done on them though I'd grade each of those teams passing game over CHILL's. Carroll with a mixed attack because Avers did well on ground and Coppell solely through the air. That being said CHILL can throw as needed and has an ace receiver.
It's hard to see Marcus overcome that.
CHILL by 14.

Here is where using games from September is stupid. Martin ran up what was it, 39 points against CHill. The Marcus O is better than Martin. Man that sure was easy:rolleyes:
Avers and the Carroll attack got what they did on Marcus simply due to the challenges that Carroll presented. When you have a very weak secondary in defending the pass then you are not going to go into a game against Carroll playing 4 defensive backs. Marcus was defending the box basically with 5 men. That will open up the running game simply because you are going 5 on 5 with a back to spare.
So you are looking at games that Marcus might have looked vulnerable but what about these games for Chill
I-Mac giving up 31 points, Martin giving up 39 and SGP giving up 32. Marcus is better at moviong the ball than all 3 of those teams are and it seemed they had not problem at all moving the football on Chill. But as I said earlier it would be stupid to use games that took place long before the playoffs to justify reasnoing. I just dind it funny that you have issue with what Marcus has done but you toally overlook what CHill has had issues with too

[farmerfan]

They would need that. I've seen 4+ tacklers needed to take Hayes and Malena down when they are ramped up.

Very rarely do the great backs get taken down by one man. Hopkins is the same way. Very rarely does he get taken down by one guy and the same can be said for Rufus Mason.

[DiminishingReturns]

Here is where using games from September is stupid. Martin ran up what was it, 39 points against CHill. The Marcus O is better than Martin. Man that sure was easy:rolleyes:
Avers and the Carroll attack got what they did on Marcus simply due to the challenges that Carroll presented. When you have a very weak secondary in defending the pass then you are not going to go into a game against Carroll playing 4 defensive backs. Marcus was defending the box basically with 5 men. That will open up the running game simply because you are going 5 on 5 with a back to spare.
So you are looking at games that Marcus might have looked vulnerable but what about these games for Chill
I-Mac giving up 31 points, Martin giving up 39 and SGP giving up 32. Marcus is better at moviong the ball than all 3 of those teams are and it seemed they had not problem at all moving the football on Chill. But as I said earlier it would be stupid to use games that took place long before the playoffs to justify reasnoing. I just dind it funny that you have issue with what Marcus has done but you toally overlook what CHill has had issues with too

Did you look at how Martin and SGP moved the ball on Chill in those games? I'll give you a hint...it wasn't on the ground. I-Mac has a phenomenal RB in Sims and i would argue that he is better than Hopkins. Yes Chill might have been vulnerable to the run THEN and so was FMM to Katy, but who will show the most weakness on Sat? What D is going to carry their purses on the field with them?:eek:

I cannot wait to look at the box score and see who showed up ready to go to the next round!

[farmerfan]

Did you look at how Martin and SGP moved the ball on Chill in those games? I'll give you a hint...it wasn't on the ground. I-Mac has a phenomenal RB in Sims and i would argue that he is better than Hopkins. Yes Chill might have been vulnerable to the run THEN and so was FMM to Katy, but who will show the most weakness on Sat? What D is going to carry their purses on the field with them?:eek:

I cannot wait to look at the box score and see who showed up ready to go to the next round!

Martin wasnt exactly blowing it up in the air against CHill either. They had roughly 35 yards more in the air than they did on the ground. They did so at around a 45% completion rate too.
As for Sims being better than Hopkins, make that argument, please do. I for one would love to hear how and why he is better than Hopkins.

As for FMM being vulnerable to the run vs Katy, yes they were, what you totally missed in my statement that you quoted though was me showing how stupid it is to bring up games from September and that ultimately have no bearing on the game taking place now. A few people have done that in regards to Marcus but have done so without bringing up what looks to be some weakness's on CHill's part too.

[DiminishingReturns]

Martin wasnt exactly blowing it up in the air against CHill either. They had roughly 35 yards more in the air than they did on the ground. They did so at around a 45% completion rate too.
As for Sims being better than Hopkins, make that argument, please do. I for one would love to hear how and why he is better than Hopkins.

As for FMM being vulnerable to the run vs Katy, yes they were, what you totally missed in my statement that you quoted though was me showing how stupid it is to bring up games from September and that ultimately have no bearing on the game taking place now. A few people have done that in regards to Marcus but have done so without bringing up what looks to be some weakness's on CHill's part too.
Opinions are a wonderful thing and since i haven't seen Hopkins on film or in person i can't make that arguement, yet.

No, i understood that part. What you missed from my statement was me defending the Martin and SGP games. I-Mac really showed a CHill weakness to stop the run against good backs. FMM was in a similar situation against Katy

This is also true but it makes for good forum banter to compare similar opponents and try to make predictions based on who scored this many on this date and how many yards were given up against this team.:notworthy

[slcdragonfan]

trainin', that was a very fine analysis. Thank you.:notworthy

As for CedarHillFinestblah (or is it Shaun Bell?), you forgot that age-old phrase, "...speed kills..." I mean, why not use ALL the sage saying we have heard on here. ;)

[ktCarl]

Martin wasnt exactly blowing it up in the air against CHill either. They had roughly 35 yards more in the air than they did on the ground. They did so at around a 45% completion rate too.
As for Sims being better than Hopkins, make that argument, please do. I for one would love to hear how and why he is better than Hopkins.

As for FMM being vulnerable to the run vs Katy, yes they were, what you totally missed in my statement that you quoted though was me showing how stupid it is to bring up games from September and that ultimately have no bearing on the game taking place now. A few people have done that in regards to Marcus but have done so without bringing up what looks to be some weakness's on CHill's part too.

In your opinion, what are CHill's weaknesses that FMM can exploit?

[farmerfan]

Opinions are a wonderful thing and since i haven't seen Hopkins on film or in person i can't make that arguement, yet.

No, i understood that part. What you missed from my statement was me defending the Martin and SGP games. I-Mac really showed a CHill weakness to stop the run against good backs. FMM was in a similar situation against Katy

This is also true but it makes for good forum banter to compare similar opponents and try to make predictions based on who scored this many on this date and how many yards were given up against this team.:notworthy

Points speak louder than yards do and both Cedar Hill and Marcus have shown they can and have given up a lot of points to some teams this year.

[farmerfan]

In your opinion, what are CHill's weaknesses that FMM can exploit?

Don't know if they really have any weaknesses other than they have been vulnerable to allowing some points this year and they are very similar to Marcus in that they seem to be one demensional. It also looks as if CHill can sleep on some opponents and this is one that if Marcus catches them sleeping then the Marauders will take advantage of it. Make no mistake about it, Marcus is a huge underdog and while some think they can pull off the upset a lot of them don't think they can. Marcus has to est the pass this week.