FELLAS, I'm Sorry and I'm done

[farmerfan]

Fellas, I know I have attempted to be somewhat of a motiratered these last few days but I can't do it anymore.
Let me share a story with yall. Tonight me and one of my great friends that I met my freshmen year in school, were out drinking. We had class with this guy last semester who wants to transfer to A&M, well we get to talking about history because that is our specialty. Turns out to think he is a conservative without a agenda. Not to say that being a conservative is bad, but he doesn't know why he is one. Well after that we get to talking about other historical events and without reason WW2 comes about. Well were we got into a more than heated argument was when the New Deal came into affect. Basicly he said that the US would have survived without the New Deal, I disagreed and gave a plethora of facts of why not, the argument somewhat ended at that till he attempted to swing at me. This time the Bar saw what happned as I decked him to the ground and I did not get kicked out. However I am intereseted in yalls ideas of the New Deal concerning WW2?

[jtk1519]

I'm more interested to see how this relates to college football.

[farmerfan]

I'm more interested to see how this relates to college football.


It doesnt, I was just to lazy to scroll down to off topic
Trust me I have a lot of information to this story and when I put it in college football i knew my fault. If I could change it I would, I am just really upset about this right now, I hate the fact that I just hit one of my friends. I had no choice and I am really sorry for putting it in college football. Like Isaid I was just to lazy to put it in the off topic.

[lonny23]

I don't have a problem with the New Deal as it came to pass to get us out of the Great Depression. We panicked and made a lot of mistakes that led to the Stock Market crash in 1929 and the country needed to come out of it. Huey P. Long was governor of Louisiana at the time and that's when he built a lot of the bridges (My grandfather would tell you to this day that somebody had Huey P. Long killed to keep him from being President!) They built a lot of dams during the New Deal, made roads, and gave people jobs. That's when they created Social Security, and a bunch of other welfare programs. WW II was on the backside of the New Deal and the war effort led to other industry and we came out of the war with an even better financial situation.

My only problem was the New Deal was supposed to be temporary to get us out of a jam and this crap is still with us today for political purposes. Even Social Security was supposed to last a few years and then go away.

[mad_fan]

My only problem was the New Deal was supposed to be temporary to get us out of a jam and this crap is still with us today for political purposes. Even Social Security was supposed to last a few years and then go away.


Government programs are like the energizer bunny...................................:mad:

[jtk1519]

I'm a strong advocate of massive overhauls or complete abolition of many of the programs the New Deal put into place. In their current state, most of these antiquated programs are no longer viable.

[lonny23]

Government programs are like the energizer bunny...................................:mad:
That's the truth!

[lonny23]

Fellas, I know I have attempted to be somewhat of a motiratered these last few days but I can't do it anymore.
Let me share a story with yall. Tonight me and one of my great friends that I met my freshmen year in school, were out drinking. We had class with this guy last semester who wants to transfer to A&M, well we get to talking about history because that is our specialty. Turns out to think he is a conservative without a agenda. Not to say that being a conservative is bad, but he doesn't know why he is one. Well after that we get to talking about other historical events and without reason WW2 comes about. Well were we got into a more than heated argument was when the New Deal came into affect. Basicly he said that the US would have survived without the New Deal, I disagreed and gave a plethora of facts of why not, the argument somewhat ended at that till he attempted to swing at me. This time the Bar saw what happned as I decked him to the ground and I did not get kicked out. However I am intereseted in yalls ideas of the New Deal concerning WW2?
Is that how you guys win arguments with professors, too?:p

I never knew history/political science was so tough!:D

[lonny23]

Well, here I am at 12K. I've started threads about milestones and just acknowledged them in the middle of other people's threads. I've been L2K, 2K2, 2KX3, and other things, but I'm going to do something different on this one and I'll probably do it in the future, too.

Post 12,000 is dedicated to Miss Kitty and Farmerfan!:cool:

[Miss Kitty]

Thank you!!!!!!!! :)

[dragonsdaddy]

the new deal was a perfect opportunity to change the face of history and gain political power at the same time. the germans went the way of the nazis, we went towards communism. hungry people will throw away their liberties for the "free lunch". unfortunately , as we all know, there is no free lunch. the hook was the recipients became dependent on and beholden to the federal government. this crutch has become an almost unfathomable burden on the whole country. the welfare recipients are handicapped unmercifully to the point of being incapable of seeing any way else to survive except thru the largess of the federal government. this largess of course is the responsibility of the fewer and fewer productive people who are taxed unmercifully so the government can spread the wealth around, largely in the form of entitlements(welfare).

fdr has created the largest example of unintended consequences in the history of the usa. politicians quickly realized that they could buy votes with entitlements easier than they could earn them rightfully, and the rest is history. the old saying that any one who trades in their liberty for safety quickly has neither is truer than ever.

[CLFalcon2006]

Social Security is the greatest thing ever:rolleyes: . I lose $20 from my paycheck and i will never see that money again. Instead it will go to some obese guy in Cincinatti that will just spend it on 4 extra big macs at mcdonalds. One of the reasons this country has gone downhill recently is because of the overwhelming dependance on welfare and government programs. Its gonna be fun learning how to be a real hardworking american again because in about 15 years when all these programs go bankrupt we will have no choice but to learn.

[GoOwls]

I don't have a problem with the New Deal as it came to pass to get us out of the Great Depression. We panicked and made a lot of mistakes that led to the Stock Market crash in 1929 and the country needed to come out of it. Huey P. Long was governor of Louisiana at the time and that's when he built a lot of the bridges (My grandfather would tell you to this day that somebody had Huey P. Long killed to keep him from being President!) They built a lot of dams during the New Deal, made roads, and gave people jobs. That's when they created Social Security, and a bunch of other welfare programs. WW II was on the backside of the New Deal and the war effort led to other industry and we came out of the war with an even better financial situation.

My only problem was the New Deal was supposed to be temporary to get us out of a jam and this crap is still with us today for political purposes. Even Social Security was supposed to last a few years and then go away.

I pretty much line up with Lonny on this one. He pretty much said what I would say (kind of over-simplified:D), but I'm too lazy to write all I think and bore you young'uns to death with it. I was blessed with having a high school history teacher who had just graduated from SMU with a major in military history and took every class of his I could take. He was a fantastic volume of information, most of which I haven't seen or heard of before or since. I feel very blessed to have a deep knowledge of history and military history, thanks to that one man.

As for the idea of being a conservative without knowing why, I agree it is a horrible thing, but is more rampant in the liberal community that the conservative community. As a mailman, I talk to many people in many walks of life, rich, poor, businessmen and women, semi-professionals, factory workers, roofers and construction workers, professional deadbeats who live off the government dole. One thing I see every 4 years, is when a presidential election comes along, and I ask who a person is voting for, too often I hear this response, "Well, my daddy was a Democrat, so if voting Democrat was good enough for him, it's good enough for me". I never hear conservatives use that as an excuse. They at least know that they support gun rights or anti-abortion or something, they may not know why, but they support it. Too many liberals on the lower end of the economic food chain just support liberals because that's who pays the bills, and they don't have to go to work to do it for themselves. That is where the vestages of the New Deal are corrupting our society with antiquated entitlements.

[slorch]

Is that how you guys win arguments with professors, too?:p

I never knew history/political science was so tough!:D

reminds me of Bobby Boucher and mudulla Oblongata

[slorch]

i can't wait 'till PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY comes back into vogue!
I think some in here have referred to the "wussification" of America, it is all intertwined.
I interview some folks who have honestly made it a challenge not to bust out laughing or get pissed off because they have no idea how unprepared they are to go out and sell themselves to get a job. it is truly sad.
Why push yourself, when that big ole safety net(GOV'T) is there for ya?

[slorch]

my posts are so great they come twice.

[lonny23]

the new deal was a perfect opportunity to change the face of history and gain political power at the same time. the germans went the way of the nazis, we went towards communism. hungry people will throw away their liberties for the "free lunch". unfortunately , as we all know, there is no free lunch. the hook was the recipients became dependent on and beholden to the federal government. this crutch has become an almost unfathomable burden on the whole country. the welfare recipients are handicapped unmercifully to the point of being incapable of seeing any way else to survive except thru the largess of the federal government. this largess of course is the responsibility of the fewer and fewer productive people who are taxed unmercifully so the government can spread the wealth around, largely in the form of entitlements(welfare).

fdr has created the largest example of unintended consequences in the history of the usa. politicians quickly realized that they could buy votes with entitlements easier than they could earn them rightfully, and the rest is history. the old saying that any one who trades in their liberty for safety quickly has neither is truer than ever.
That was a well-written post and so true. The US has sped towards communism/socialism for a long time now and the Russians got everything out of us in those 45 goals that they wanted, but ran out of money before they could beat us.

The flaw to communist/socialist systems is that everybody is not equal. They always do favors for some over others and trying to make everybody equal encourages laziness because there is no reward for hard work or ingenuity.

[lonny23]

Social Security is the greatest thing ever:rolleyes: . I lose $20 from my paycheck and i will never see that money again. Instead it will go to some obese guy in Cincinatti that will just spend it on 4 extra big macs at mcdonalds. One of the reasons this country has gone downhill recently is because of the overwhelming dependance on welfare and government programs. Its gonna be fun learning how to be a real hardworking american again because in about 15 years when all these programs go bankrupt we will have no choice but to learn.
I think the original plan called for 5 years and to be phased out. My take has always been that our system is out of whack. People that can work should work and not be freeloaders. Those who can't work because of age or illness should have somebody take care of them. Families used to take care of their old and churches could do a lot of stuff like this if all their members gave a full tithe of 10%. Too many families don't want to be bothered by their relatives and they get stuck in nursing homes and the churches don't get full tithes, either. We ended up with a system where government bureacracy takes a cut out of benefits and we also have to have goverment surveillance over the nursing home oeprations. All we do is create more goverment each year to take care of problems that should be handled by somebody else.

If Farmerfan wasn't a senior in college, I'd call this whole thread a scam. A high school kid could take all this info we're throwing out and write a paper without doing any research!:D It seems like dragons08 did something like this one time?:confused:

[lonny23]

my posts are so great they come twice.
How about GoOwls? He's a postman and I only saw his stuff once!:p

[KatyTigerDad0407]

#1) It is time to crap or get off the pot with the rest of the world.*
#2) Do away with Welfare(meet needs with the humblest of ways. never money)
#3) Merit System, not Affirmative Action
#4) Ditch the IRS-Go to a Consumption Tax(no breaks-deductions for anyone)
#5) Ditch SS-refund every penny to everyone and ditch it.
#6) House prisoners in tents in the desert, not airconditioned prisons
#7) Socialize healthcare. A Consumption Tax, everyone is paying, even illegals

*Either we are gonna do what we say we are gonna do or we are not. If we are not, then don't waste my money. Let them blow the crap out of each other and then we can handle our bussiness.

[drgnbkr]

All you need to know about liberals is the fact that they stood and applauded when the President acknowledged in his State of the Union Address that he had'nt been able to get social security reform off the ground..what a pathetic bunch.....:confused:

[dragonsdaddy]

#1) It is time to crap or get off the pot with the rest of the world.*
#2) Do away with Welfare(meet needs with the humblest of ways. never money)
#3) Merit System, not Affirmative Action
#4) Ditch the IRS-Go to a Consumption Tax(no breaks-deductions for anyone)
#5) Ditch SS-refund every penny to everyone and ditch it.
#6) House prisoners in tents in the desert, not airconditioned prisons
#7) Socialize healthcare. A Consumption Tax, everyone is paying, even illegals

*Either we are gonna do what we say we are gonna do or we are not. If we are not, then don't waste my money. Let them blow the crap out of each other and then we can handle our bussiness.
if you like how well the post office(sorry goowls) is handled by the fedgov, you'll love socialized medicine. why the hypocrisy about getting the government out of everything else, and multiplying its influence in medicine?

[Favpack]

if you like how well the post office(sorry goowls) is handled by the fedgov, you'll love socialized medicine. why the hypocrisy about getting the government out of everything else, and multiplying its influence in medicine?

DD - I agree with your comment -- but I'm also wondering why there are 402,000 drug reps in Dallas whizzing around town buying donuts for all of you docs? Is every person entitled to 55 meds a month for all their ailments?

[dragonsdaddy]

DD - I agree with your comment -- but I'm also wondering why there are 402,000 drug reps in Dallas whizzing around town buying donuts for all of you docs? Is every person entitled to 55 meds a month for all their ailments?
the entitlement programs are one of those unintentionals that were discussed earlier. all the hotties in dwf aren't drug reps, it just seems that way. 3-4 are in real estate, and the rest live in sl.

[KatyTigerDad0407]

why the hypocrisy about getting the government out of everything else, and multiplying its influence in medicine?The poor are always gonna get it for free. The hard working family man gets screwed, The rich can always afford it. If you pay for it with a consumption tax, you equal it out for all. I don't claim to have all the answers, but I am tired of legals abd illegals not paying their fair share, and expecting me to pay it for them. I think a consumption tax levels the playing field.

[Reaganrattler07]

Fellas, I know I have attempted to be somewhat of a motiratered these last few days but I can't do it anymore.
Let me share a story with yall. Tonight me and one of my great friends that I met my freshmen year in school, were out drinking. We had class with this guy last semester who wants to transfer to A&M, well we get to talking about history because that is our specialty. Turns out to think he is a conservative without a agenda. Not to say that being a conservative is bad, but he doesn't know why he is one. Well after that we get to talking about other historical events and without reason WW2 comes about. Well were we got into a more than heated argument was when the New Deal came into affect. Basicly he said that the US would have survived without the New Deal, I disagreed and gave a plethora of facts of why not, the argument somewhat ended at that till he attempted to swing at me. This time the Bar saw what happned as I decked him to the ground and I did not get kicked out. However I am intereseted in yalls ideas of the New Deal concerning WW2?

Didn't the New Deal come out after WW1? When Roosevelt just took office? We just learned about in in my US HIstory class.

[dragonsdaddy]

Didn't the New Deal come out after WW1? When Roosevelt just took office? We just learned about in in my US HIstory class.
you are right, time-line wise. the discussion involved the economy and how the new deal supported it prior to the ww2 outbreak, and their interrelationships.

[Reaganrattler07]

you are right, time-line wise. the discussion involved the economy and how the new deal supported it prior to the ww2 outbreak, and their interrelationships.

Oh ok, I just wanted to make sure. I know it went all the way up into WW2, and some of it still exists today.

[lonny23]

The poor are always gonna get it for free. The hard working family man gets screwed, The rich can always afford it. If you pay for it with a consumption tax, you equal it out for all. I don't claim to have all the answers, but I am tired of legals abd illegals not paying their fair share, and expecting me to pay it for them. I think a consumption tax levels the playing field.
I like the idea of a consumption tax because it will take out the loopholes the rich use now to get all of their money back and make somebody else say.

[lonny23]

Didn't the New Deal come out after WW1? When Roosevelt just took office? We just learned about in in my US HIstory class.
FDR did it when he took office after the 1932 election to try to get the country out of the Great Depression.

[dragonsdaddy]

FDR did it when he took office after the 1932 election to try to get the country out of the Great Depression.
among other reasons. it was a great social experiment that's gone bad, really bad.