Most losses by a state champion

[Steve Ulmer]

What is the most losses that a state champion ever had in 5A in Texas.

I think I remember that Beaumont West Brook had 4 or 5 losses in 82 when they beat LD Bell in Dome and their QB played Nose Guard as well. I know Plano had 3 losses in 94 and got roasted as being not worthy of a D1 title.

Where is WOS87 when you need him?:D

[farmerfan]

What is the most losses that a state champion ever had in 5A in Texas.

I think I remember that Beaumont West Brook had 4 or 5 losses in 82 when they beat LD Bell in Dome and their QB played Nose Guard as well. I know Plano had 3 losses in 94 and got roasted as being not worthy of a D1 title.

Where is WOS87 when you need him?:D

You mean the year that PESH had the shirts that said,.
3rd in District
2nd in City
1st in State?

I recall both Lake Highlands and PESH easily defeating Plano that year as well as Mesquite. In Planos defense I believe the returned the favor to Mesquite in the playoffs. Katy als had 3 defeats last year

I am pretty sure that Beamont West Brook did hve a few losses as well as possibly Beaumont French in 84 who tied Permian.

[baylordad]

That is the most I remember. Btrain38 and I was at the Game on the Bell Side. I think it was Jerry Ball that played Fullback and Nose Guard. Trinity had 5 losses getting to the Championship Game with Judson in '92. They came out with 6 losses!

[TexasRed6x]

I believe it is West Brook in 81 I believe they had 4 losses.

[txhsfootballfan]

To the best of my recollection, Westbrook finished 11-3-1 or 10-3-1 when they won state.

[mojosoundwave]

I know Plano had 3 losses in 94 and got roasted as being not worthy of a D1 title.

That's funny Permian also had three losses when they played in 94, I thought when they played in 77/78 both teams were undefeated. So if Plano had one loss and a tie in 87 that would be crazy wierd.:notworthy

[Bass]

West Brook was 11-4-1 in '82.
Started 0-2, then lost in week five and seven. Their tie came in the area round of the playoffs.

Port Arthur Lincoln, 18-12
Houston Kashmere, 28-27
Beaumont French, 13-6
Port Aruthur Jefferson, 28-14
Baytown Sterling, 7-7

[Steve Ulmer]

That's funny Permian also had three losses when they played in 94, I thought when they played in 77/78 both teams were undefeated. So if Plano had one loss and a tie in 87 that would be crazy wierd.:notworthy

Plano was undefeated in 87. 16-0 including a win over MOJO. Permian was undefeated in 77 & 78 before the Plano games and were not when the whistle blew at the end of the game.

[WOS87]

What is the most losses that a state champion ever had in 5A in Texas.

I think I remember that Beaumont West Brook had 4 or 5 losses in 82 when they beat LD Bell in Dome and their QB played Nose Guard as well. I know Plano had 3 losses in 94 and got roasted as being not worthy of a D1 title.

Where is WOS87 when you need him?:D

LOL! I'm right here!! And the answer would be 4.

Here's a cut and paste of a post from this very site back in 2007 and a link to the thread

1953 - Port Neches

The only UIL State Champion to win a title with less than 9 wins in a season going 8-4-1


Out of the 350+ teams to win a state title since 1920, none have lost more than 4 games in their respective championship seasons....

There are a few though that are tied with 4 losses....

1953 - Port Neches 8-4-1
1950 - Wichita Falls 9-4-0
1998 - Grapevine 10-4-0
1982 - Beaumont West Brook 11-4-1
1984 - Beaumont French 11-4-1
2003 - North Crowley 11-4-0
1989 - Tyler Chapel Hill 12-4-0
2003 - Atlanta 12-4-0

I know there is a 9th one that I am missing...


Click here --->LINK (http://forums.5atexasfootball.com/showthread.php?t=23473)

...and 1979 - McKinney 11-4-0 would be the 9th team I was referring to that I never actually posted on that thread

[alleneagle4]

You mean the year that PESH had the shirts that said,.
3rd in District
2nd in City
1st in State?

I recall both Lake Highlands and PESH easily defeating Plano that year as well as Mesquite. In Planos defense I believe the returned the favor to Mesquite in the playoffs. Katy als had 3 defeats last year

I am pretty sure that Beamont West Brook did hve a few losses as well as possibly Beaumont French in 84 who tied Permian.

:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy

[WOS87]

That's the difference between a great program and a legendary program... knowing how to win when it really counts. Plano, Permian, CJ and Katy are experts of doing just that. When did PESH win their last football championship?

[dragonsdaddy]

That's the difference between a great program and a legendary program... knowing how to win when it really counts. Plano, Permian, CJ and Katy are experts of doing just that. When did PESH win their last football championship?

they won 3 straight moral state titles in the 90's and 2 more this decade. and of course they have a 03 bowling title to go with them.

[Shoot2thrill]

LOL! I'm right here!! And the answer would be 4.

Here's a cut and paste of a post from this very site back in 2007 and a link to the thread

1953 - Port Neches

The only UIL State Champion to win a title with less than 9 wins in a season going 8-4-1


Out of the 350+ teams to win a state title since 1920, none have lost more than 4 games in their respective championship seasons....

There are a few though that are tied with 4 losses....

1953 - Port Neches 8-4-1
1950 - Wichita Falls 9-4-0
1998 - Grapevine 10-4-0
1982 - Beaumont West Brook 11-4-1
1984 - Beaumont French 11-4-1
2003 - North Crowley 11-4-0
1989 - Tyler Chapel Hill 12-4-0
2003 - Atlanta 12-4-0

I know there is a 9th one that I am missing...


Click here --->LINK (http://forums.5atexasfootball.com/showthread.php?t=23473)

...and 1979 - McKinney 11-4-0 would be the 9th team I was referring to that I never actually posted on that thread

WOS87, I thought Tyler Lee had 4 losses when they won state 5 or 6 years ago. Maybe that is the 9th one? :confused:

[WOS87]

WOS87, I thought Tyler Lee had 4 losses when they won state 5 or 6 years ago. Maybe that is the 9th one? :confused:

Nope... Lee only lost 3 games in 2004 according to my records. They lost to Lufkin 33-44, Euless Trinity 39-42 and Longview 31-34... and paid Trinity back by beating them in the Semifinals 28-7

Click Here--->Tyler Lee History (http://idisk.mac.com/cboehme69-Public/thsf/t/tylerlee.gif)

[farmerfan]

That's the difference between a great program and a legendary program... knowing how to win when it really counts. Plano, Permian, CJ and Katy are experts of doing just that. When did PESH win their last football championship?

Sure the great ones know how to win when it counts, but as we have debated since this board has been around it is hard to overlook the facts that are presented to a path a team has to take to the state championship. I do not recall Mesquites record in '94 but I believe that is who Plano opened up with in the playoffs, they then beat a Duncanville team in round 2 who ended the year with a losing record. They then got a 3 loss Lufkin team in round 3 and a 3 loss Permian team in the semis. Correct me if I am wrong but I do not think Permian was district champs in '94, same with Mesquite and I know Duncanville and Lufkin were not. PESH and Lake Highlands on the other hand had to contend with a damn good John Tyler team(16-0) who also had to go through a very good Arlington High team in the semis before dismantling Westlake in the finals. So while mocking the shirts or what the PESH fans were saying, it was warranted when you compare division 1 and division 2 that year.

[Gator4ever]

Galveston Ball started the season in 1994 at 0-4. Thet won a game and then lost another to stand at 1-5. They then went on to sneak into the playoffs and go all the way to the semi-final. They never lost after starting 1-5 but tied Westlake at 26-26 and lost on the tie-break system. I wonder if they would have won it all after a 1-5 start and they were so very very close to doing what may not have ever been done.


Gat4

[dragonsdaddy]

Sure the great ones know how to win when it counts, but as we have debated since this board has been around it is hard to overlook the facts that are presented to a path a team has to take to the state championship. I do not recall Mesquites record in '94 but I believe that is who Plano opened up with in the playoffs, they then beat a Duncanville team in round 2 who ended the year with a losing record. They then got a 3 loss Lufkin team in round 3 and a 3 loss Permian team in the semis. Correct me if I am wrong but I do not think Permian was district champs in '94, same with Mesquite and I know Duncanville and Lufkin were not. PESH and Lake Highlands on the other hand had to contend with a damn good John Tyler team(16-0) who also had to go through a very good Arlington High team in the semis before dismantling Westlake in the finals. So while mocking the shirts or what the PESH fans were saying, it was warranted when you compare division 1 and division 2 that year.
all that just to say that pesh sucks.

[Magellan]

LOL! I'm right here!! And the answer would be 4.

Here's a cut and paste of a post from this very site back in 2007 and a link to the thread

1953 - Port Neches

The only UIL State Champion to win a title with less than 9 wins in a season going 8-4-1


Out of the 350+ teams to win a state title since 1920, none have lost more than 4 games in their respective championship seasons....

There are a few though that are tied with 4 losses....

1953 - Port Neches 8-4-1
1950 - Wichita Falls 9-4-0
1998 - Grapevine 10-4-0
1982 - Beaumont West Brook 11-4-1
1984 - Beaumont French 11-4-1
2003 - North Crowley 11-4-0
1989 - Tyler Chapel Hill 12-4-0
2003 - Atlanta 12-4-0

I know there is a 9th one that I am missing...


Click here --->LINK (http://forums.5atexasfootball.com/showthread.php?t=23473)

...and 1979 - McKinney 11-4-0 would be the 9th team I was referring to that I never actually posted on that thread

OMG - The sage got one wrong. SA Roosevelt was 11-5 in winning the state title. So yes, they were 5-5 and then caught fire in the playoffs, beating Flower Mound Marcus. Mark this down in red letters. This won't EVER happen again.

[lonny23]

That is the most I remember. Btrain38 and I was at the Game on the Bell Side. I think it was Jerry Ball that played Fullback and Nose Guard. Trinity had 5 losses getting to the Championship Game with Judson in '92. They came out with 6 losses!
The record is West Brook with 4, but it would've been Trinity if they could've only scored an extra 53 points!:D

Judson could've tied West Brook a couple times, but ran into Trinity both times.

[Steve Ulmer]

LOL! I'm right here!! And the answer would be 4.

Here's a cut and paste of a post from this very site back in 2007 and a link to the thread

1953 - Port Neches

The only UIL State Champion to win a title with less than 9 wins in a season going 8-4-1


Out of the 350+ teams to win a state title since 1920, none have lost more than 4 games in their respective championship seasons....

There are a few though that are tied with 4 losses....

1953 - Port Neches 8-4-1
1950 - Wichita Falls 9-4-0
1998 - Grapevine 10-4-0
1982 - Beaumont West Brook 11-4-1
1984 - Beaumont French 11-4-1
2003 - North Crowley 11-4-0
1989 - Tyler Chapel Hill 12-4-0
2003 - Atlanta 12-4-0

I know there is a 9th one that I am missing...


Click here --->LINK (http://forums.5atexasfootball.com/showthread.php?t=23473)

...and 1979 - McKinney 11-4-0 would be the 9th team I was referring to that I never actually posted on that thread

Looks like then Plano will make History then at 10-6.:D

[Magellan]

Looks like then Plano will make History then at 10-6.:D

Best of luck with that... or even winning a single playoff game... either way.

[grayowl60]

LOL! I'm right here!! And the answer would be 4.

Here's a cut and paste of a post from this very site back in 2007 and a link to the thread

1953 - Port Neches

The only UIL State Champion to win a title with less than 9 wins in a season going 8-4-1


Out of the 350+ teams to win a state title since 1920, none have lost more than 4 games in their respective championship seasons....

There are a few though that are tied with 4 losses....

1953 - Port Neches 8-4-1
1950 - Wichita Falls 9-4-0
1998 - Grapevine 10-4-0
1982 - Beaumont West Brook 11-4-1
1984 - Beaumont French 11-4-1
2003 - North Crowley 11-4-0
1989 - Tyler Chapel Hill 12-4-0
2003 - Atlanta 12-4-0

I know there is a 9th one that I am missing...


Click here --->LINK (http://forums.5atexasfootball.com/showthread.php?t=23473)

...and 1979 - McKinney 11-4-0 would be the 9th team I was referring to that I never actually posted on that thread
Good stuff! What large class champ had a loss to a lower classification team?;)

[dragonsdaddy]

Good stuff! What large class champ had a loss to a lower classification team?;)

i bet you know, huh?it surely has happened before that.

[JagDad07]

OMG - The sage got one wrong. SA Roosevelt was 11-5 in winning the state title. So yes, they were 5-5 and then caught fire in the playoffs, beating Flower Mound Marcus. Mark this down in red letters. This won't EVER happen again.

Have you lost your mind? Roosevelt has won state once and was 16-0.

[Magellan]

Have you lost your mind? Roosevelt has won state once and was 16-0.

The San Antonio Roosevelt Roughriders won state in 1995 over FM Marcus 17-10. Their record was 11-5, including playoffs. Check it.

[Steve Ulmer]

The San Antonio Roosevelt Roughriders won state in 1995 over FM Marcus 17-10. Their record was 11-5, including playoffs. Check it.

I thought they were 16-0 as well.

[semi68]

I thought they were 16-0 as well.

http://texashsfootball.com/board/index.php?showtopic=25012

According to this site they were 5-5 in 1994 but 16-0 in 1995.

[JagDad07]

The San Antonio Roosevelt Roughriders won state in 1995 over FM Marcus 17-10. Their record was 11-5, including playoffs. Check it.

Well, OK - I checked it. The following links say they were 16-0.

http://www.texasfootballratings.com/PastYears5AReg4.html

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/columnists/david_flores/Roosevelts_football_tradition_grounded_in_its_dive rsity.html

http://www.beloblog.com/KENS5/davidflores/2009/09/firstyear-churchill-head-footb.html

Please show me ONE that says they were 11-5.

[farmerfan]

all that just to say that pesh sucks.

nm

[farmerfan]

The San Antonio Roosevelt Roughriders won state in 1995 over FM Marcus 17-10. Their record was 11-5, including playoffs. Check it.

As it has already been said, Roosevelt was 16-0 in '95. They were a damn good team with a defense that might be one of the best in the entire 5A era.

[Steve Ulmer]

Best of luck with that... or even winning a single playoff game... either way.

1 down, 5 to go. 1 game at a time. Trinity vs Plano 3rd year in a row.

[ALLENFANDINGO5]

UNLIKELY,
LOSES IN
MUCH
EARLIER
ROUND
:) Hey but nice win, Plano's defense played a great game.

[Gazelle]

Good stuff! What large class champ had a loss to a lower classification team?;)

I don't know who they are, but I know one that is going to be -