Pelosi: Get my dang health insurance for $15K or go to jail [Archive]

Mong Hu

11-09-2009, 10:10 AM

Hey, I ain't making this up.....here's an actual link.....yes sometimes I will actually post a link:

http://republicans.waysandmeans.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=153583

Great link Go Owls. Is there anyone who can possibly defend these provisions? I have heard very little positive about this bill. It has been described as a triumph for the Democrats and the President but I can not find much on actual provisions that are considered positive other than it would provide health insurance for everyone and I do not think that is a positive when you consider what must be sacrificed to achieve this end. This is a greater threat to liberty than anything that was ever in the Patriot Act.

GoOwls

11-09-2009, 11:05 AM

Great link Go Owls. Is there anyone who can possibly defend these provisions? I have heard very little positive about this bill. It has been described as a triumph for the Democrats and the President but I can not find much on actual provisions that are considered positive other than it would provide health insurance for everyone and I do not think that is a positive when you consider what must be sacrificed to achieve this end. This is a greater threat to liberty than anything that was ever in the Patriot Act.

Mong, I've had this link posted since 8 Sunday morning and you are the first to respond to it...I'm left to think that people against it are just resigned to the inevitability of it and that the Obama/congress supporters see it but are too proud to admit they are wrong and screwed like the rest of us, just like they didn't get why it was stupid to vote for him.....or McCain.

Firebird

11-09-2009, 11:10 AM

Mong, I've had this link posted since 8 Sunday morning and you are the first to respond to it...I'm left to think that people against it are just resigned to the inevitability of it and that the Obama/congress supporters see it but are too proud to admit they are wrong and screwed like the rest of us, just like they didn't get why it was stupid to vote for him.....or McCain.

I forgot.

Cool story, bro.

GoOwls

11-09-2009, 11:18 AM

I forgot.

Cool story, bro.

Your "Valley Owl troll" status is quickly approaching el prez'.

dragonsdaddy

11-09-2009, 11:19 AM

I forgot.

Cool story, bro.

soooooo, i can count on you to help me come up with the funds to cover my family. i'd really appreciate it. my other tax bills have pretty well tapped me out, so set some aside for me.

JagFan

11-09-2009, 11:22 AM

soooooo, i can count on you to help me come up with the funds to cover my family. i'd really appreciate it. my other tax bills have pretty well tapped me out, so set some aside for me.

Me too!!

Firebird

11-09-2009, 11:28 AM

soooooo, i can count on you to help me come up with the funds to cover my family. i'd really appreciate it. my other tax bills have pretty well tapped me out, so set some aside for me.

Also a cool story.

GoOwls

11-09-2009, 11:31 AM

Also a cool story.

College kids....:rolleyes:

Wait until they start paying bills.....real bills.....not kids in school bills.

dragonsdaddy

11-09-2009, 11:32 AM

Also a cool story.

given up completely have we? your repartee has been better.

Firebird

11-09-2009, 12:11 PM

College kids....:rolleyes:

Wait until they start paying bills.....real bills.....not kids in school bills.

I'm not in college. We've discuesse this before.

Cool story, bro.

GoOwls

11-09-2009, 12:24 PM

I'm not in college. We've discuesse this before.

Cool story, bro.

sorry, I forgot....you still write like a kid in school with no big boy bills.

BTW...you tell a pretty cool story too...bro.

tayb

11-09-2009, 12:27 PM

College kids....:rolleyes:

Wait until they start paying bills.....real bills.....not kids in school bills.

I know. We're lucky right. I want to continue paying $9,000 a semester for tuition, fees, and books on top of all of my other living expenses for the rest of my life. If only I had any "real bills." Like my car payment, rent, cell phone, water bill, electricity, car insurance, internet, television, etc. Lucky me, I guess?

RedRage00

11-09-2009, 12:40 PM

College kids....:rolleyes:

Wait until they start paying bills.....real bills.....not kids in school bills.

I've been paying my own bills since I was 18 years old...since I moved out of my mother's house. I also paid my way through college, both undergrad & grad. Mommy and daddy didn't pay for my college education.

That damn electricity bill I paid when I was 20 sure seemed real to me.

And for the record, I hardly visit the site on weekends. I hardly ever open up link thingys either.

chhspantherfan

11-09-2009, 12:47 PM

I've been paying my own bills since I was 18 years old...since I moved out of my mother's house. I also paid my way through college, both undergrad & grad. Mommy and daddy didn't pay for my college education.

That damn electricity bill I paid when I was 20 sure seemed real to me.

And for the record, I hardly visit the site on weekends. I hardly ever open up link thingys either.

you might want to start on this one. I am confident that you don't know what is happening, because if you did then you would be up in arms about this. I think you are plenty smart to see that this is not a party issue, it is a threat to your paycheck issue. I was in deer camp this week and talking with some pretty heavy hitters and this came up. the old adage, "You don't know what you don't know" seems very appropriate for a lot of America. Please RR, help educate EVERYONE that will ever pay taxes and their own way as to what this bill really says.

Firebird

11-09-2009, 01:32 PM

given up completely have we? your repartee has been better.

We have two different GoOwls threads on HC reform on the front page of the yard, and one from someone else. None of them featuring original thought, instead copypasta or a link.

A lot has been better around here.

Mong Hu

11-09-2009, 01:57 PM

We have two different GoOwls threads on HC reform on the front page of the yard, and one from someone else. None of them featuring original thought, instead copypasta or a link.

A lot has been better around here.

Yes no one around here has ever started a thread with hey look what I read or saw and thought was interesting.

http://forums.5atexasfootball.com/showthread.php?t=58476
http://forums.5atexasfootball.com/showthread.php?t=49855
http://forums.5atexasfootball.com/showthread.php?t=58589
http://forums.5atexasfootball.com/showthread.php?t=58554
http://forums.5atexasfootball.com/showthread.php?t=58474

Your post equals FAIL considering your own track record. Further, did you read the link I posted. The content of the link had very little to do with health care as was more a commentary on the nature and role of government in our society. For me the entire health care debate is merely a vehicle by which we can discuss our broader understanding of our government's role in society.

Firebird

11-09-2009, 02:01 PM

Yes no one around here has ever started a thread with hey look what I read or saw and thought was interesting.

http://forums.5atexasfootball.com/showthread.php?t=58476
http://forums.5atexasfootball.com/showthread.php?t=49855
http://forums.5atexasfootball.com/showthread.php?t=58589
http://forums.5atexasfootball.com/showthread.php?t=58554
http://forums.5atexasfootball.com/showthread.php?t=58474

Your post equals FAIL considering your own track record. Further, did you read the link I posted. The content of the link had very little to do with health care as was more a commentary on the nature and role of government in our society. For me the entire health care debate is merely a vehicle by which we can discuss our broader understanding of our government's role in society.

Was there already a thread on the above topics on the front page of the forum when posted?

GoOwls

11-09-2009, 02:12 PM

Was there already a thread on the above topics on the front page of the forum when posted?

You said none had an original thought......yours didn't either....the number is not an issue.....el copypasta.

Firebird

11-09-2009, 02:16 PM

You said none had an original thought......yours didn't either....the number is not an issue.....el copypasta.

It is because I just made it one.:)

/thread derailed

Mong Hu

11-09-2009, 02:20 PM

It is because I just made it one.:)

/thread derailed

Typical liberal, can't argue your point so you change the topic. You and your ilk do excel at this. :)

GoOwls

11-09-2009, 02:35 PM

It is because I just made it one.:)

/thread derailed

You're irrelevant...

thread rerailed.

Mong Hu

11-09-2009, 08:37 PM

Was there already a thread on the above topics on the front page of the forum when posted?

I was directing my response to your criticism of posting material that was not an original thought, a "crime" which you have been guilty of far more than I. In regards to the similarity of the posts I will again answer your criticism by directing you to read the article I posted. Health care is only mentioned in passing in the article. I have used the article to help explain my position on the current health care reform proposal by further explaining my own philosophy and understanding of the nature of government by referencing the work of another. I am sorry that you find my starting of another thread to this end offensive but in truth I did not check the board for similar threads. I read the article and just wanted to have others take on it so I created a thread. If you would like to combine the threads then by all means become a moderator or something and go ahead. I was not aware that there was a rule that you had to check other threads before beginning one of your own. I will endeavor in the future to adhere to proper board etiquette.

Mong Hu

11-09-2009, 11:45 PM

Firebird

11-10-2009, 01:01 AM

I was directing my response to your criticism of posting material that was not an original thought, a "crime" which you have been guilty of far more than I. In regards to the similarity of the posts I will again answer your criticism by directing you to read the article I posted. Health care is only mentioned in passing in the article. I have used the article to help explain my position on the current health care reform proposal by further explaining my own philosophy and understanding of the nature of government by referencing the work of another. I am sorry that you find my starting of another thread to this end offensive but in truth I did not check the board for similar threads. I read the article and just wanted to have others take on it so I created a thread. If you would like to combine the threads then by all means become a moderator or something and go ahead. I was not aware that there was a rule that you had to check other threads before beginning one of your own. I will endeavor in the future to adhere to proper board etiquette.

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Mong Hu

11-10-2009, 07:49 AM

A few additional sites that give a little more information on the current bill

http://republicans.waysandmeans.house.gov/webreturn/?url=http://cbo.gov/ftpdocs/106xx/doc10691/hr3962SubsidiesRangelLtr.pdf

http://energycommerce.house.gov/Press_111/health_care/hr3962_CBOscore.pdf

http://energycommerce.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1687:health-care-reform&catid=169:legislation&Itemid=55

I don't know if they should call this a Health Care Bill or a tax bill. The bill calls for 572 Billion in Taxes and or other revenue generating provisions. I like how they call it provisions affecting revenue.

One of the more interesting parts of the legislation seems to be its reliance on producing fines in order to maintain a positive cash flow. The legislation is expecting to collect 167 billion in fines and penalties to offset its cost. This means that if every one were to follow the law we would not be able to pay for the law. Does it seem odd to anyone else that we would be counting on this as a means to pay for this bill? Does this not give the government incentive to fine its own citizens. Should our municipalities be dependent on income from traffic tickets? Our government has turned its criminal code into another vehicle by which to tax its citizens and pay for its excess.

JagFan

11-10-2009, 08:04 AM

One of the more interesting parts of the legislation seems to be its reliance on producing fines in order to maintain a positive cash flow. The legislation is expecting to collect 167 billion in fines and penalties to offset its cost. This means that if every one were to follow the law we would not be able to pay for the law. Does it seem odd to anyone else that we would be counting on this as a means to pay for this bill? Does this not give the government incentive to fine its own citizens. Should our municipalities be dependent on income from traffic tickets? Our government has turned its criminal code into another vehicle by which to tax its citizens and pay for its excess.

They were trying to find money to put in the budget so it would work. How do they know that that many people will pay the fines or need to? Who will collect the fines? The IRS? Great let's just expand that agency as well.

chhspantherfan

11-10-2009, 08:07 AM

They were trying to find money to put in the budget so it would work. How do they know that that many people will pay the fines or need to? Who will collect the fines? The IRS? Great let's just expand that agency as well.

then we will have to expand law enforcement, then jail capacity, then .........

chhspantherfan

11-10-2009, 08:12 AM

A couple of questions concerning my posting a PBS summary of the bill.

Why would a political conservative do this?

Why wouldn't a political liberal respond with a summary from a conservative media outlet?

Could it be that I am more confident in my stance than that liberal?

Could it be that political liberals have not taken the time to think this through?

I find it hard to believe that anyone would support more government spending, much less fund it with anticipated penalties and fees. But, then again these are the same legislators that are allowing major banks to borrow below 1% and charge good paying customers in excess of 20%. :rolleyes: