Good Roy Williams gone bad

[Favpack]

Now we've had two bad Roys.

What an absolute bust. Dude has hands of concrete. Now he's complaining Miles gets all the good throws and he gets bad throws his way. He's not being treated fairly as a "No. 1" receiver. Winning is fine, but he's upset his stats aren't higher.

No mo' Roy Williams of any kind in Dallas - ever.

[eaglefan87]

The guy has had some drops but I have seen alot of bad throws his way as well. For some reason he and Romo just haven't been able to get in sync

[slcdragonfan]

The guy has had some drops but I have seen alot of bad throws his way as well. For some reason he and Romo just haven't been able to get in sync

Agree with that. His ribs are hurt too, but it just seems when Tony expects him to zig, Roy zags.
Maybe they should get together during the week and practice if they are out of sync? D'oh! I am pretty sick of whiny receivers. Here's how it goes:
catch ball, get check.
whine about it, get transferred to Buffalo.

[Favpack]

Agree with that. His ribs are hurt too, but it just seems when Tony expects him to zip, Roy zags.
Maybe they should get together during the week and practice if they are out of sync? D'oh! I am pretty sick of whiny receivers. Here's how it goes:
catch ball, get check.
whine about it, get transferred to Buffalo.

haha - good point. Buffalo is looking really good right now.

[15Adragon]

I think Roy is a good guy and will get it going. His history says so. I'm not saying he is worth what he is getting paid because that is another issue. IMO, Roy will respond and help this team. If anything, he looks like he had no idea about how big a circus it is playing in Dallas with a big contract.

[BDB]

Agree with that. His ribs are hurt too, but it just seems when Tony expects him to zig, Roy zags.
Maybe they should get together during the week and practice if they are out of sync? D'oh! I am pretty sick of whiny receivers. Here's how it goes:
catch ball, get check.
whine about it, get transferred to Buffalo.

HAHAHA! :notworthy

[SLC93]

I'm giving him a pass on alot of what was said because even the local media is stating that it is a nonstory and they're vultures. This is a case of a guy talking too long. By all local accounts he answered baited questions correctly for around 25 minutes. In those 25 minutes he said all the right things and created the context for the lines the national media is running with. Roy is a team guy. He's on board with the concept and he's blocking his *** off. Almost all of what he said was spot on. He and Romo have stayed late the last 3 practices to get more reps and try and work this thing out. Is it perplexing? Absolutely. Does he need to produce and do a better job? Absolutely. That said, Romo has done him no favors at all with his accuracy. He's pressing when he throws the ball to Williams. It's not a natural, easy motion. My bet is that this thing works itself out in the next 2 weeks, possibly even Sunday. Roy has had huge days agaisnt the Eagles in the past.

[dragonsdaddy]

Agree with that. His ribs are hurt too, but it just seems when Tony expects him to zig, Roy zags.
Maybe they should get together during the week and practice if they are out of sync? D'oh! I am pretty sick of whiny receivers. Here's how it goes:
catch ball, get check.
whine about it, get transferred to Buffalo.
suck when you get there.
retire, thinking you got screwed.

fify

[dragonsdaddy]

I'm giving him a pass on alot of what was said because even the local media is stating that it is a nonstory and they're vultures. This is a case of a guy talking too long. By all local accounts he answered baited questions correctly for around 25 minutes. In those 25 minutes he said all the right things and created the context for the lines the national media is running with. Roy is a team guy. He's on board with the concept and he's blocking his *** off. Almost all of what he said was spot on. He and Romo have stayed late the last 3 practices to get more reps and try and work this thing out. Is it perplexing? Absolutely. Does he need to produce and do a better job? Absolutely. That said, Romo has done him no favors at all with his accuracy. He's pressing when he throws the ball to Williams. It's not a natural, easy motion. My bet is that this thing works itself out in the next 2 weeks, possibly even Sunday. Roy has had huge days agaisnt the Eagles in the past.
was i dreaming that good roy stated he wouldn't be talking to the media last summer? wish he had kept his promise.

he's growing tiresome, more from his suckage as anything but a blocking wr, than as a media *****.

[SLC93]

I think Roy is a good guy and will get it going. His history says so. I'm not saying he is worth what he is getting paid because that is another issue. IMO, Roy will respond and help this team. If anything, he looks like he had no idea about how big a circus it is playing in Dallas with a big contract.

I agree. I think his price tag is overblown, though. It was really a 1 & a 3. We got a 7 back that was only a few picks after the 6 we sent. Thats a wash. He was 26 at the time of the trade, with a few skins and enormous talent. A 1 and a 3 is not out of line for that package. The immediate, huge extension hasn't helped perception but that's a Jerry issue and he's been doing that for years. I think the transition to the Dallas market from Detroit has been tougher than he thought, though. Everything is news here as opposed to the anonimity of being in Detroit. Bottomline is he is working hard, is young, tremendously talented and playing for his dream team. It will come together.

[SLC93]

was i dreaming that good roy stated he wouldn't be talking to the media last summer? wish he had kept his promise.

he's growing tiresome, more from his suckage as anything but a blocking wr, than as a media *****.

I blame Ted Thompson.:D;)

[15Adragon]

I agree. I think his price tag is overblown, though. It was really a 1 & a 3. We got a 7 back that was only a few picks after the 6 we sent. Thats a wash. He was 26 at the time of the trade, with a few skins and enormous talent. A 1 and a 3 is not out of line for that package. The immediate, huge extension hasn't helped perception but that's a Jerry issue and he's been doing that for years. I think the transition to the Dallas market from Detroit has been tougher than he thought, though. Everything is news here as opposed to the anonimity of being in Detroit. Bottomline is he is working hard, is young, tremendously talented and playing for his dream team. It will come together.

I agree. If they keep working and fight thru it they will be OK. The only thing he has going against him in Big D (and it is a good thing) is there are a lot of weapons to choose from so he won't get as many chances as he would in somewhere else...

[15Adragon]

I agree. I think his price tag is overblown, though. It was really a 1 & a 3. We got a 7 back that was only a few picks after the 6 we sent. Thats a wash. He was 26 at the time of the trade, with a few skins and enormous talent. A 1 and a 3 is not out of line for that package. The immediate, huge extension hasn't helped perception but that's a Jerry issue and he's been doing that for years. I think the transition to the Dallas market from Detroit has been tougher than he thought, though. Everything is news here as opposed to the anonimity of being in Detroit. Bottomline is he is working hard, is young, tremendously talented and playing for his dream team. It will come together.

I agree. So what if the 1 was Carpenter and the 3 was another OT that we missed on...

[SLC93]

I agree. If they keep working and fight thru it they will be OK. The only thing he has going against him in Big D (and it is a good thing) is there are a lot of weapons to choose from so he won't get as many chances as he would in somewhere else...

He just needs to get to where he's catching 5 out of 7 instead of 2 out of 7. That gives him around an 80 catch season. With all of these options that is a big number and, at 15 per, he'd have 1200 yards.

[SLC93]

I agree. So what if the 1 was Carpenter and the 3 was another OT that we missed on...

Right?:D

Plus you have to consider Roy as the equivalent to the 1. So we're basically all up in arms over an extra 3 but we had multiple picks in that round. Also, after seeing the Boys approach to last spring's draft, do we really care that they only had 12 picks and not 14?

[15Adragon]

Right?:D

Plus you have to consider Roy as the equivalent to the 1. So we're basically all up in arms over an extra 3 but we had multiple picks in that round. Also, after seeing the Boys approach to last spring's draft, do we really care that they only had 12 picks and not 14?

Right.

Also, I think once Roy and Tony get on the same page they will be money in the red zone. Big target and accurate QB should be money.

[dragonsdaddy]

He just needs to get to where he's catching 5 out of 7 instead of 2 out of 7. That gives him around an 80 catch season. With all of these options that is a big number and, at 15 per, he'd have 1200 yards.

and if i had a 1000 $1000 bills i'd be a millionaire. you aren't asking for much considering he's a 2 for 28 per player while wearing a star. i'd settle for doubling his production. btw, i wonder when we'll hear again from deidiot explaining why the boys screwed the pooch when they cut to. i'm sure he'll explain to's woes as having to play for the putrid bills. to fits perfectly up there, btw.

[dragonsdaddy]

Right?:D

Plus you have to consider Roy as the equivalent to the 1. So we're basically all up in arms over an extra 3 but we had multiple picks in that round. Also, after seeing the Boys approach to last spring's draft, do we really care that they only had 12 picks and not 14?

you must be sick that we couldn't draft another kicker.

[SLC93]

and if i had a 1000 $1000 bills i'd be a millionaire. you aren't asking for much considering he's a 2 for 28 per player while wearing a star. i'd settle for doubling his production. btw, i wonder when we'll hear again from deidiot explaining why the boys screwed the pooch when they cut to. i'm sure he'll explain to's woes as having to play for the putrid bills. to fits perfectly up there, btw.

Well. I'm basing my thoughts on his career which says he'll be between 60-80 catches and 800-1200 yards. I'm not saying that's not a huge leap from what we've received thus far but with the effort and work they're putting in, I think it comes around. TO is old and older news. He is where he should be, reaping what he's sewn.

[SLC93]

you must be sick that we couldn't draft another kicker.

:D

I'm just saying they decided to go cheap and build depth, allegedly, when they had the ammo, along with NE, to run that draft. Given their chosen path I'm not sure the lacking picks will have any impact on our future.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

I kind of have mixed feelings on what he stated. At the same time, Roy is happy about the fact that he's winning. I believe, that the last time Roy won 5 games, or 5 games this quick, he was wearing burnt orange.

Truth is, Tony and Roy are actually working together on the daily to get going. In due time, I believe that they will start to connect.

On a side note, I had mixed feelings about letting go of T.O. But, after hearing his comments last week, and this week, I'm glad that this fool is in the suck that is Buffalo.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

fify

I see what you did there, and I love it!:D

[E-Vol-ution]

Roy most likely is still pissed at Tony for stretching him out over the middle to let his ribs get blown up.:)

[slcdragonfan]

Roy most likely is still pissed at Tony for stretching him out over the middle to let his ribs get blown up.:)

that was bad, and Roy did put it on the line, still can see that one. Ouch!

[dragonsdaddy]

Roy most likely is still pissed at Tony for stretching him out over the middle to let his ribs get blown up.:)

i'm sure that's the first time that has ever happened. i am almost surprised the db didn't get a penalty for unnecessary roughness. they need to put tutus on qbs and wrs in the nfl.

[Favpack]

TO's tweet today....

"You're da** right Roy's not TO. I had 38 TD's in 3 years for Dallas. He doesn't have 38 TD's in his career"!

:notworthy

[dragonsdaddy]

TO's tweet today....

"You're da** right Roy's not TO. I had 38 TD's in 3 years for Dallas. He doesn't have 38 TD's in his career"!

:notworthy

stick to on detroit for a while and i wonder what he'd brag about.

[15Adragon]

A couple of years from now TO will be tweeting without any followers...:p

[15Adragon]

TO's tweet today....

"You're da** right Roy's not TO. I had 38 TD's in 3 years for Dallas. He doesn't have 38 TD's in his career"!

:notworthy

Funny thing is that TO could have played the part of aging star who turns role player/mentor. He could have continued to cash big checks in Big D all while dropping passes. Jerry would have been a sucker for this. TO just couldn't shut it. I bet he doesn't drop his paychecks no matter how cold his fingers get in Buffalo... :eek:

[SLC93]

TO's tweet today....

"You're da** right Roy's not TO. I had 38 TD's in 3 years for Dallas. He doesn't have 38 TD's in his career"!

:notworthy

True but what about the follow up from honest TO?

" I'm all about me and have destroyed 3 locker rooms and two quarterbacks trying to prove that. I'm so good the only deal I could get was from Buffalo, for one year. I'm da bomb."

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

T.O. has continued to show that he's a clown. Instead of worrying about what's going on with a team that he doesn't play at all, he should be worried about why his team hasn't won but once all year.

The best thing for the 'Boys to do, is to keep playing ball, and not sweat the outside stuff. This lockeroom is the strongest that it's been, in forever. Although Roy and Tony haven't gotten on the same page yet, this team is improving, week after week. As stated before, both Tony and Roy have shown the commitment to put it together. In due time, I feel that it will get going, as long as they keep working at it.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

TO's tweet today....

"You're da** right Roy's not TO. I had 38 TD's in 3 years for Dallas. He doesn't have 38 TD's in his career"!

:notworthy

Since T.O. wants to keep talking about what he did in Dallas, he should also talk about the playoff game against the Giants where, not only did Crayton drop passes wide open, but so did he. How about the long bomb that he dropped against the Redskins back in '06? How about the first game against the 'Skins last year, where he complained about not getting the ball enough, when Tony threw this b!tch the ball 16 times, and he dropped one that was a TD, in a game that the 'Boys lost by a score of 26-24? How about how Tony threw this b!tch the ball, almost 15 times more than he threw to Witten for the season, but yet, Witten had almost 15 more catches than his b!tch @$$ did?

For all of the off the field problems that Michael Irvin had, Michael never, EVER, threw his teammates under the bus, for ANYTHING. Instead of separating his team, Michael was a big part of the 'Boys uniting as a team. Crack head or not, Michael was the ultimate team player, and he EARNED the nickname, "The Playmaker".

F**K T.O. WITH A SICK DICK!

[SLC]

It comes down to shut up and play...bottom line. GR is pricy, not just the picks, but the money as well. So far the ROI is not equaling out..that has to change. If he gets squaky and isn't doing more than blocking 3 times a game, then he'll be gone as well....TR will begin to feel insecure again, have a meeting with JW and next thing you know we'll have a new WR...Sweet..Anyone else get the feeling we might be headed for "just win baby"....Who's Cartman going to punch...Fireball?

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

It comes down to shut up and play...bottom line. GR is pricy, not just the picks, but the money as well. So far the ROI is not equaling out..that has to change. If he gets squaky and isn't doing more than blocking 3 times a game, then he'll be gone as well....TR will begin to feel insecure again, have a meeting with JW and next thing you know we'll have a new WR...Sweet..Anyone else get the feeling we might be headed for "just win baby"....Who's Cartman going to punch...Fireball?

I agree!

I hope we aren't headed down that polyester jumpsuit era!:eek:

[Dawg Fan]

I kind of have mixed feelings on what he stated. At the same time, Roy is happy about the fact that he's winning. I believe, that the last time Roy won 5 games, or 5 games this quick, he was wearing burnt orange.

Truth is, Tony and Roy are actually working together on the daily to get going. In due time, I believe that they will start to connect.

On a side note, I had mixed feelings about letting go of T.O. But, after hearing his comments last week, and this week, I'm glad that this fool is in the suck that is Buffalo.


I was in Buffalo late August this year and was giving some of the Bill's fans a hard time about TO. They were saying how he would help this team get to the next level....I said, yea, we thought that too when he was a Cowboy...... lol

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

I was in Buffalo late August this year and was giving some of the Bill's fans a hard time about TO. They were saying how he would help this team get to the next level....I said, yea, we thought that too when he was a Cowboy...... lol

Next level my @$$! LOL! People forget, that football is a TEAM sport. Although the 'Boys are less talented than the last couple of years, they're actually a better TEAM than they were the last couple of years.

I wonder how hard those Bills fans are beating their chests right now!

[Dawg Fan]

Next level my @$$! LOL! People forget, that football is a TEAM sport. Although the 'Boys are less talented than the last couple of years, they're actually a better TEAM than they were the last couple of years.

I wonder how hard those Bills fans are beating their chests right now!

It was funny cause they really believed that TO was the answer for their team. I gave them a hard time and told them they would remember my visit and what I said. I'll bet they have cussed me more than a few times over a beer or two

[Point Made...]

This falls back on the QB that doesn't have the timing of his passes in sync with his WR...or it could be another conspiracy on Romo's part of playing favorites with his receivers! :eek:

Romo is absolutely throwing mis-guided darts in the direction of Roy rather than the "dead on" accurate passes that Miles is being rewarded with.

go figure. :D

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

It was funny cause they really believed that TO was the answer for their team. I gave them a hard time and told them they would remember my visit and what I said. I'll bet they have cussed me more than a few times over a beer or two

What I'd give to be a fly on the wall.:D

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

This falls back on the QB that doesn't have the timing of his passes in sync with his WR...or it could be another conspiracy on Romo's part of playing favorites with his receivers! :eek:

Romo is absolutely throwing mis-guided darts in the direction of Roy rather than the "dead on" accurate passes that Miles is being rewarded with.

go figure. :D

LOL! Well, just remember, that Romo's BFF Jason Witten, hasn't had a big game this year either. I get what you're saying though!:D

I like what Crayton said earlier this week; "This team is a blue collar team and, it doesn't matter who catches the ball. As long as the chains move, and we score, we're being successful."

I still haven't gotten over the playoff loss to the Giants but, I'm starting to change my tune...a little bit...about Crayton.

[dragonsdaddy]

LOL! Well, just remember, that Romo's BFF Jason Witten, hasn't had a big game this year either. I get what you're saying though!:D

I like what Crayton said earlier this week; "This team is a blue collar team and, it doesn't matter who catches the ball. As long as the chains move, and we score, we're being successful."

I still haven't gotten over the playoff loss to the Giants but, I'm starting to change my tune...a little bit...about Crayton.

yeah, a punt retutrn or 2 like those of late affect your balance. the tds were great, but he's saved lots of yards by making great decisions on all punts. he seems to be super confident right now.

[SLC93]

He just needs to get to where he's catching 5 out of 7 instead of 2 out of 7. That gives him around an 80 catch season. With all of these options that is a big number and, at 15 per, he'd have 1200 yards.

Roy Williams VS Philadelphia

5 out 8 for 75 yards at 15 per ...... hmmmm .... :D

[SLC93]

and if i had a 1000 $1000 bills i'd be a millionaire. you aren't asking for much considering he's a 2 for 28 per player while wearing a star. i'd settle for doubling his production. btw, i wonder when we'll hear again from deidiot explaining why the boys screwed the pooch when they cut to. i'm sure he'll explain to's woes as having to play for the putrid bills. to fits perfectly up there, btw.

Roy Williams VS Philadelphia

5 out 8 for 75 yards at 15 per ...... hmmmm .... :D

[slcdragonfan]

Roy Williams VS Philadelphia

5 out 8 for 75 yards at 15 per ...... hmmmm .... :D

He was showing good hands out there...there were still some not so good passes to him. Looks like this might be a non-story after next week.

[SLC93]

yeah, a punt retutrn or 2 like those of late affect your balance. the tds were great, but he's saved lots of yards by making great decisions on all punts. he seems to be super confident right now.

The punt returns have been great but i've been far more happy with the return of his hands to the passing game. He's been catching the ball quite well. Regardless, his response to his demotions a few weeks ago is textbook professional.

[Favpack]

Yeah, obviously no complaints after a huge win and big game by Roy - best game of his year.

If you want to get a little picky - you suggest Miles was open far more than the one time when he burned the db on a double move for 6. That dude is scary good.

[dragonsdaddy]

He was showing good hands out there...there were still some not so good passes to him. Looks like this might be a non-story after next week.
tr has been less accurate this year than i remember. he has missed wide open receivers several times per game even during this run. with accurate throws yesterday, the game would never have been close. it's funny how having a big ugly breathing down his neck on a regular basis hinders his accuracy. what a wuss.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

yeah, a punt retutrn or 2 like those of late affect your balance. the tds were great, but he's saved lots of yards by making great decisions on all punts. he seems to be super confident right now.

Yep! As I said before, these guys are playing as a "team". Patrick has taken his demotion in stride, kept his head up, and has played well.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

Yeah, obviously no complaints after a huge win and big game by Roy - best game of his year.

If you want to get a little picky - you suggest Miles was open far more than the one time when he burned the db on a double move for 6. That dude is scary good.

Well Fav, when Romo was missing him, alot of that had to do with the pressure that the Eagles brought on defense. The Eagles' defense threw everything they had at Romo, including the kitchen sink. Tony showed tons of maturity, the way he handled it.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

tr has been less accurate this year than i remember. he has missed wide open receivers several times per game even during this run. with accurate throws yesterday, the game would never have been close. it's funny how having a big ugly breathing down his neck on a regular basis hinders his accuracy. what a wuss.

:notworthy

[dragonsdaddy]

Roy Williams VS Philadelphia

5 out 8 for 75 yards at 15 per ...... hmmmm .... :D

and vladi is happy with that.

[Favpack]

Well Fav, when Romo was missing him, alot of that had to do with the pressure that the Eagles brought on defense. The Eagles' defense threw everything they had at Romo, including the kitchen sink. Tony showed tons of maturity, the way he handled it.

Agreed - I think alot of Philly's blitzes are going to burn them down the road. I think Romo lights them up in a few weeks - I hope so anyway.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

Agreed - I think alot of Philly's blitzes are going to burn them down the road. I think Romo lights them up in a few weeks - I hope so anyway.

The hard work between Roy and Tony will pay off and, I can see them hooking up on the quick slants, to counter those blitzes.

I hope you're right too!

[dragonsdaddy]

Agreed - I think alot of Philly's blitzes are going to burn them down the road. I think Romo lights them up in a few weeks - I hope so anyway.

the odd draw may also be used a little earlier in the next meeting. it was fairly successful after they started calling it.