Copperas Cove's 4A non-district

[CoveFan05]

Ive seen that we will be playin John Tyler but does n e one have the low down on the other 4 non district games we will be playin?

[Oldlynx]

My son told me today that we (San Angelo Central) get to play you in San Angelo in Week 0.

[supercentex]

I've also heard Burnet.

[CoveMom]

San Angelo (Week 0), Killeen Harker Heights & Killeen Shoemaker (Weeks 2 and 3), and Tyler John Tyler in Week 4. Leaves one to be determined. Don't believe it will be Burnet.

Bring on 4A! Let's see what is over the next rise.....

[CoveFan05]

San Angelo (Week 0), Killeen Harker Heights & Killeen Shoemaker (Weeks 2 and 3), and Tyler John Tyler in Week 4. Leaves one to be determined. Don't believe it will be Burnet.

Bring on 4A! Let's see what is over the next rise.....


We need to throw in a Lufkin or SLC or Marshall ( Coach Southern is the former D coordinater) Cuz right now that is lookin like a so-so schedule

[Primetime536]

San Angelo (Week 0), Killeen Harker Heights & Killeen Shoemaker (Weeks 2 and 3), and Tyler John Tyler in Week 4. Leaves one to be determined. Don't believe it will be Burnet.

Bring on 4A! Let's see what is over the next rise.....
So cove and HH will play for sure next year?

[a&mconsoltiger]

We need to throw in a Lufkin or SLC or Marshall ( Coach Southern is the former D coordinater) Cuz right now that is lookin like a so-so schedule

at first we were gonna play yall even if yall dropped to 4a in a non district game,but now coach slaughter has changed his mind and said he doesnt wanna play a 4a team

[cove_2001]

at first we were gonna play yall even if yall dropped to 4a in a non district game,but now coach slaughter has changed his mind and said he doesnt wanna play a 4a team

Translation : Coach Slaughter doesn't want to lose to a 4A team.

cove_2001

[CoveFan05]

at first we were gonna play yall even if yall dropped to 4a in a non district game,but now coach slaughter has changed his mind and said he doesnt wanna play a 4a team

Cuz he scared of the rep hell get from losing to a 4A squad...Whenever i think of my Cove now it will be 5A, 20 people short...lol

[ACM Dad]

Everyone is scrambling for an extra non-district game. If I was making a serious run at the state title, I'd not play a 4A school either. Even though a lot of us thought that was the hardest hitting high school football game we'd seen in 20 years, there are too many 5A quality opponents out there looking for games to take a 4A game or two. If you lose to a great 4A, people say, man that 5A team must really suck. If you beat a great 4A team, people say, heck, they played a 4A school, whaddya expect? Nothing to gain, everything to lose.

On the subject of the two Killeen teams playing CC, that's an interesting move. Both of the K teams look to make a probable run at the playoffs. I guess since the towns are all so close and the rivalries are pretty good, it makes sense. Less travel. I still dont' think I'd do it. But, that's not my call.

[cc06football1]

The killeen teams are not really that good. Heights is the best. Shoemaker is so-so(even though we have kicked the crap out of them the past couple of years), but the other two are garbage.

[adcwalker]

I think the open week will be in Week 5. Cove normallys schedules their open week right before the district play starts. Helps to make sure everyone is healthy for district play. The Killeen schools games are rivals. Before Harker Heights and Shoemaker came on board and Killeen and Ellison moved to 4A they would play for a trophy. The trophy sets in the trophy case at Copperas Cove since they were the last one to win it.

[cove_2001]

Yeah I have seen that trophy. The Tri-City/school?! trophy or something like that. It will gather dust for a while, unless we can get Killeen and Ellison on the schedule every year.

People act like 4A is such a huge dropoff that Cove can't compete with any 5A schools. We are still 5A right now, and like the other poster said,w e were only 20 students away from 5A. We will compete regardless.

cove_2001

[Sakatha]

Cuz he scared of the rep hell get from losing to a 4A squad...Whenever i think of my Cove now it will be 5A, 20 people short...lol


You guys slay me... You ran smack ALL season about how SLC and the rest had BETTER WATCH OUT!! Then got quiet after you were humbled in the playoffs...

Now, here you are, still on the 5A boards even after dropping to 4A... Runnin' it about how you are gonna punk more 5A teams, and Lufkin and or SLC/Consol wouldn't want to play you because they wouldn't want a loss to a 4A team...

Quit while you are ahead?? Errr behind?? Or SOMETHING?!

~DnM

[CoveFan05]

You guys slay me... You ran smack ALL season about how SLC and the rest had BETTER WATCH OUT!! Then got quiet after you were humbled in the playoffs...

Now, here you are, still on the 5A boards even after dropping to 4A... Runnin' it about how you are gonna punk more 5A teams, and Lufkin and or SLC/Consol wouldn't want to play you because they wouldn't want a loss to a 4A team...

Quit while you are ahead?? Errr behind?? Or SOMETHING?!

~DnM


Ha straight up in the paper from Coach Welch. AMC doesnt want n e because were 4A now. Ive been on this board still talkin since we lost. How many other people were talkin crap and ended up losing. Get off Cove's back

[Sakatha]

Ha straight up in the paper from Coach Welch. AMC doesnt want n e because were 4A now. Ive been on this board still talkin since we lost. How many other people were talkin crap and ended up losing. Get off Cove's back

Do you honestly interpret that quote(wherever it is.. I still haven't seen it) as the head coach saying he doesn't want any part of Cove because he doesn't want to lose to a 4A school??? LOL @ THAT

He's just saying he doesn't want to *PLAY* a 4A school. Man, lots have done the same thing. I believe Denton Ryan and or HP broke off their contract because one of them moved classifications.

OH, btw.. Regardless of who ran smack and who didn't last year, you seem to be one of the only ones runnin' it now...



~DnM

[CoveFan05]

Do you honestly interpret that quote(wherever it is.. I still haven't seen it) as the head coach saying he doesn't want any part of Cove because he doesn't want to lose to a 4A school??? LOL @ THAT

He's just saying he doesn't want to *PLAY* a 4A school. Man, lots have done the same thing. I believe Denton Ryan and or HP broke off their contract because one of them moved classifications.

OH, btw.. Regardless of who ran smack and who didn't last year, you seem to be one of the only ones runnin' it now...



~DnM

Im not talkin smack...Thats how it is most of the time 5A's dont wanna play 4A's. Thats why were not playing Judson again this year

[cc06football1]

Judson didnt want to play us again even before we moved down. They told Coach Welch they dont need that kind of game in non-district when they play in such a hard district(I dont blame them). This southlake guy really doesnt know what he is talking about. Humbled in the playoff's? Oh yeah they really wooped us up. LOL Give us our starting corner and a totally different game. Yeah were 4a now, but were still one of the best teams in the state. Just cause your team is perfect doesnt give you the right to be an ***, and not show respect to other teams accomplishments. I hope the rest of yall fans arnt like you, cuz than southlake would be in for a real hard fall sooner than later. You were 4a not to long ago, or dont you remember? Your right Consol doesnt want to play us, because they would get beat by a 4a team.

[ACM Dad]

Yep, I can see it now. Coach Slaughter wanted to duck the mighty dogs of Cove so he chose Katy instead! :D You guys have a good program, good coach, lots going for you. You lost a few really key players. Hell, Atchison was the tie breaker between a very even game last year. What a playmaker.

You guys slay me. :rolleyes:

Read my post above. I would have loved to personally see another aCm/Cove game, but that won't happen again until we're the same category.

Someone just let me know what a good 5A program has to gain by beating a good 4A program? Weigh that against a good 5A program losing to a good 4A program. 4A has everything to gain, 5A has nothing to gain.

It's just not a smart move if you're the coach of a Top Ten 5A program. I'm assuming we're a Top Ten 5A program. But, you get my point.

[ACM Dad]

Your right Consol doesnt want to play us, because they would get beat by a 4a team.


There's this thing called mutual respect. There's this thing called being an ***. You need to learn some mutual respect. I guarantee you the players that were on the field last year in the ACM/Cove game have mutual respect for each other. In fact, I'm guessing the vast majority of them were cheering each other on during the playoffs in the name of 13-5A solidarity. Heck I was in a big ole SUV with a bunch of other ACM Dads heading to Waco to cheer you guys on playing Lufkin.

I wish Cove well in 4A. Hope they win it all.

But, give me a damn break on the rest of the idiotic BS. :rolleyes:

[cc06football1]

Im sorry A&M fan. The Southlake guy pissed me off. To tell you the truth I always root for A&M because I like there OL. They were just like us, small and athletic but would hit you in the mouth. Most of my comments were meant towards the Southlake fan. Tim was the difference in that game. As an offensive lineman, we had the worst game of the season against A&M. Our team just wasnt clicking that game, and am thankful my boy Tim was able to do the things he did. I have all the respect in the world for A&M, and the point of that post was to tell the Southlake fan that because his team is perfect doesnt give him the right to disrespect the kind of seasons both our teams had. Cove will be back next year with my boy Logan Brock at the helm and 4a watch out!

[DawgsFanForLife]

There is not a lot of difference between a good 4A program and a 5A program. If AMC and Cove do not meet up i would say it has more to do with not being able to make the schedule work than either team worried about winning or losing. The game has to be played and it is played by kids so all the other BS is just that. AMC is not scared of Cove and vise versa.
One thing i think about 13-5A is AMC is the team that will win it now since Cove and Waco are out of it. This should be good for them since these three teams have been the top teams in district or pretty close the past few years.
AMC, HH, and Belton get my nod in that district now.

See you in 2 more years.

DFFL

[CoveFan05]

Yep, I can see it now. Coach Slaughter wanted to duck the mighty dogs of Cove so he chose Katy instead! :D You guys have a good program, good coach, lots going for you. You lost a few really key players. Hell, Atchison was the tie breaker between a very even game last year. What a playmaker.

You guys slay me. :rolleyes:

Read my post above. I would have loved to personally see another aCm/Cove game, but that won't happen again until we're the same category.

Someone just let me know what a good 5A program has to gain by beating a good 4A program? Weigh that against a good 5A program losing to a good 4A program. 4A has everything to gain, 5A has nothing to gain.

It's just not a smart move if you're the coach of a Top Ten 5A program. I'm assuming we're a Top Ten 5A program. But, you get my point.


So when people state what does a 5a program have to gain by beating a 4A program. Experience...So tell me would u play Highland Park or Ennis or Marshall and then beat them you wouldnt gain n e thing?

[cove_2001]

If the situation was reversed, with AMC being 4A and Cove 5A, you guys would be ragging on us for not scheduling you. You would be saying the same things we are. I would much rather face AMC then somebody else, but some people see the classification Cove will be going to and dismiss them. I must admit, I was upset when Cove would schedule 4A teams, but when those 4A teams were keeping up with us, I started to change my mind on the level of competition between the two.
Hopefully we face you guys within the next few years.

cove_2001

[ACM Dad]

You guys do make good arguments, I can't diaagree with playing the perrenial 4A powers idea. It's like pick your poison kinda thing. No one wants to travel to DFW if we can help it. Playoffs are for those kind of trips.

And having a choice between Katy and a rock-solid powerful 4A team, I take Katy. If you beat Katy, you get incredible respect. We just about beat them in that Week Zero game two years ago at Reliant. If you lose to Katy, there's really no shame and you got to measure yourself up against a 5A major power, then fix your exposed weaknesses in time for district.

In our game against Ike and then against Westlake, those two teams exposed weaknesses that our coaches addressed. I hated losing to Westlake, but we got a lot of problems fixed at halftime and then went on to play a respectable 2nd half. Ike exposed some weaknesses that only get exposed when you go against some great athletes. If they played as a team, we probably stood a great chance of getting beat in that game.

If I had to chose to step down to play Cove in 4A or match up with Katy in 5A, I'm taking Katy. It's a more impressive win. If we start talking about other 4A powers that are located much further away, I say the travel isnt' worth it. Just play Katy and find out how good both teams are this season. I give a lot of respect to Katy, not even knowing anything about their players. I hope they underestimate us.

[supercentex]

From the 2/3 issue of The Cove Leader Press

By JOHN EUBANKS
Sports writer

It’s only fitting that Copperas Cove has to go down to play up.
On the same day that Cove learned that it would drop from Class 5A to 4A, athletic director and head football coach Jack Welch tentatively announced what might be the toughest football schedule in school history.
The University Interscholastic League announced its biennial reclassification and realignment of schools Thursday morning, taking Cove out of the state’s highest classification for the first time since 1975. Cove’s enrollment of 1959.5 put it under the cutoff of 1,985.
Cove will become a member of six-school District 16-4A, along with Killeen (1,802 enrollment), Brownwood (977), Waco High (1,826), Waco University (1,186.5) and Hewitt Midway (1.931.5). Waco, currently a member of Cove’s District 13-5A, also dropped to 4A.
Fox Sports Net, who carried the realignment announcement live, said the new 16-4A was the most competitive district in the state of any classification.
“I think it’s a very prestigious district,” Welch said.
The new District 13-5A includes old members Killeen Shoemaker, Harker Heights, Belton, Temple, Bryan and A&M Consolidated, and newcomer Killeen Ellison, which moves up from 4A.
“The (new) district is about the same district that we’ve been in,” Welch said. “We’ve played most of those schools in the past. If you didn’t know (the district) was 4A, you would think it was 5A.
“It looks like we were all paired together to make probably the toughest district in the state.”
Thursday’s announcement immediately had Welch focusing on scheduling four non-district opponents. Stressing that “all the games we have are tentative,” Welch said Thursday afternoon that Cove would open the season on zero week Sept. 1 against San Angelo Central.
Week One is still open, but Welch mentioned the possibility of playing either Evangel Christian of Shreveport, La., at Texas Stadium, or Spring, located north of Houston. The rest of the non-district schedule would be Killeen Shoemaker on Sept. 15, Harker Heights on Sept. 22 and Tyler John Tyler on Sept. 29. Sites will be determined later.
After an open date on Oct. 6, the Bulldawgs would start district play Oct. 13 at Brownwood, and then play at Midway Oct. 20, host University Oct. 27, travel to Killeen Nov. 2 or 3 and host Waco Nov. 10.
“People think dropping to 4A is easier,” Welch said. “But I’m starting my 13th year (at Cove), and this is the toughest schedule I’ve ever had. And that’s a good thing.”
Welch said the biggest question he’s been asked is why was Lampasas, whose county by the same name has a portion within the Copperas Cove city limits, was placed two regions west of Cove’s Region II. “I have no idea. That’s not my decision. We’d like to play Lampasas. (The game) would have a big draw. It would be big for our communities,” he said.
Asked if he had any “heartburn” about having to drive through Lampasas to get to Brownwood, Welch said, “Absolutely not. Doesn’t bother me at all.”
He said he assumes that the UIL was trying to take care of Lampasas’ new district (25), and have the district members be close together. The other district members include Burnet, Marble Falls, Dripping Springs, Austin Lake Travis, Cedar Park Vista Ridge, and two Pfllugerville schools, Connally and Hendrickson.
Welch said his thought before the realignment that if Cove dropped to 4A, he wanted it to be in a tough district. “I think in two years, we will be back in 5A, and I don’t want the level of our play to be diminished,” he said.
Thursday morning, while in the process of determining non-district opponents, Welch said, “We’ve have a tremendously tough time right now. The good 5A people we had (before) won’t play us now, because we will be a strong 4A, and they can’t afford to get beat by a 4A. And the 4A teams are nervous about having to play a team that was 13-1 in 5A.”
Welch met Thursday afternoon with the five other district head coaches at the Cove administration building. All five who were interviewed seemed excited about the new district.
“We’re excited about being in this district,” Waco coach Johnny Tusa said. “We think it’s going to be one of the premier districts in the state at that (4A) level. It keeps together an old rivalry between us and Copperas Cove We’re looking forward to continuing what has been one of the premier contests in the state each and every era, and quite frankly, just from a spectator’s standpoint, I think it’s once again going to be good for both communities.”
Killeen coach Sam Jones said, “Bringing Cove and Waco into this district definitely makes it stronger. I think it’s one of the best districts in 4A. I think you have quality coaches.I just believe it will be a physical district. So every week, every game will be important.
“Cove is coming off a great run and may be the frontrunner. There really are no weak sisteres in here. I think on any given night, anybody can knock off anybody. I’m kinda looking forward to it I’d just say ‘buckle up.’ It’s coming.”

[ACM Dad]

Im sorry A&M fan. The Southlake guy pissed me off. To tell you the truth I always root for A&M because I like there OL. They were just like us, small and athletic but would hit you in the mouth. Most of my comments were meant towards the Southlake fan. Tim was the difference in that game. As an offensive lineman, we had the worst game of the season against A&M. Our team just wasnt clicking that game, and am thankful my boy Tim was able to do the things he did. I have all the respect in the world for A&M, and the point of that post was to tell the Southlake fan that because his team is perfect doesnt give him the right to disrespect the kind of seasons both our teams had. Cove will be back next year with my boy Logan Brock at the helm and 4a watch out!

Thank you for the post. Your point is well understood. No offense.

There was a reason you had a tough time on the O Line in that game. The ACM defense was pretty good, seniors last game at home, revenge on their minds from last season... There are a lot of playoff teams whos Oline didn't do too well against them. Atchison was the tie-breaker in that game. No Atchison, I'd lay all my money in Vegas that we'd have won that game. But we didn't and took the L in stride, learned from it and hit the playoffs.

My son was on that O Line. He'll be back on it in his jr season next year. He's now up to 245 or so. Getting taller as well. The other returning starter(Sr next year) is about the same height, maybe about 260 now. There's another kid that will be a Sr. next season that had the unfortunate role of backing up Matt Coates last season. He should step into that Tackle spot and he's about the same size Coates was. Two current sophomores that I hope to see step up from JV will be in that 250-275 range and they are quick and have nasty streaks. It looks like one of our Defensive ends that got a lot of playing time last year might move to TE. I think our line will end up being overall bigger than last season. We'll just have to see how quick they remain.

God I can't wait for football to start again... spring training here yet?:D

[ACM Dad]

From the 2/3 issue of The Cove Leader Press

By JOHN EUBANKS
Sports writer

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Welch is a good coach. He's got the coach-speak thing down to an art. He is basically saying the same thing I said. There's nothing to be gained by a 5A playing a 4A and everything to lose. Welch lost some studs. I'm looking with interest to see how he fills the gaps. This year will probably tell me more about how good a coach he is than last year.

[Sakatha]

Yup... No way we'd play Marshall, Ennis, or HP...

I mean, why would we want to risk our record? We didn't really just come off of the 2 toughest playoff runs in the past 20 years... We didn't really just schedule 2 perenial top 5 programs in the country over the next 2 seasons...

~DnM

[supercentex]

2 perenial top 5 programs in the country? Who is that?

[cove_2001]

Good Read. I see we play Waco @ Home, that will be an awesome game.

cove_2001

[supercentex]

We're going to have people standing on the visitors side at Midway. They got a SMALL visitor side.

[Sakatha]

2 perenial top 5 programs in the country? Who is that?


If you count the last 10 years, you will find De La Salle and ECA there. Although ECA has dropped off more than DLS has...

~DnM

ECA National Champs 1999
DLS 2001-2003

Each has spent a considerable amount of that period of time in the top 5-10 in the country... I probably should've said perenial top 10...