Heritage Band wake up!!!

[xnfl]

I was at the Heritage/Central game on Friday the Heritage band was playing when their own team is on offense, then with 1 min to play in the 2nd Q they came to the back of the endzone and played super loud; meanwhile Calvert is calling an audible suck in the end zone, 20 feet from his own band and could not hear a thing, to make matters worse the Central band is playing at the same time.

If anyone knows the band director at Heritage could you please explain to them not to play when their OWN DARN team is on offense.

I have no problem with opposing bands playing when the other team is on O but their own team..thats just stupid .. maybe this is the head coaches job???

chhs panther fan any comments?
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[CHbandfan]

I was in the CHHS Band once upon a time... I was not at the game in question, but I think I can tell you what happened.

What you're describing is the band warming up/doing a mini-rehearsal for their halftime show. They do make a point to face away from the field when they do this (unfortunately, the drums don't work like that). Since the GCISD stadium isn't that large and has virtually no parking lot, they have to do this on the track.

Also, if that isn't good enough, I know that they had a major contest in San Antonio the next day, and thanks to successful rehearsals and performances such as this game they managed to place in finals.

I'm sure if they had a better place to warm up, they'd use it. But they don't.

[shooter]

We all enjoy a great halftime performance but it sucks that we have to be inconvenienced by the darn 4 quarters of football that they have to surround the BANDS performance with. Heritage Football should be more mindful during the BAND warm up to not do anything exciting on the field as the fans in the stands might be distracted and cheer over the important Band warm ups happening on the track.

Ok seriously! Why does a BAND that has been playing for a half of football in the stands need to warm up anyway?? Are you not warm already?

[tjw]

This is why our Band director and Football coach work together, which paid off during last years state game the most when Hightower center snapped the ball before the QB was ready. ;)

My kids played in the band and they never had to warm up for all the reasons stated, so not agree with why these bands have too. Pretty bad if the Heritage team could not hear the audible. Need to get the coach and director working together.

[DrEdward]

We all enjoy a great halftime performance but it sucks that we have to be inconvenienced by the darn 4 quarters of football that they have to surround the BANDS performance with. Heritage Football should be more mindful during the BAND warm up to not do anything exciting on the field as the fans in the stands might be distracted and cheer over the important Band warm ups happening on the track.

Ok seriously! Why does a BAND that has been playing for a half of football in the stands need to warm up anyway?? Are you not warm already?

Sound observations, shooter. Sorry, couldn't resist the opportunity while laughing at your comments. Well done.

[xnfl]

I was in the CHHS Band once upon a time... I was not at the game in question, but I think I can tell you what happened.

What you're describing is the band warming up/doing a mini-rehearsal for their halftime show. They do make a point to face away from the field when they do this (unfortunately, the drums don't work like that). Since the GCISD stadium isn't that large and has virtually no parking lot, they have to do this on the track.

Also, if that isn't good enough, I know that they had a major contest in San Antonio the next day, and thanks to successful rehearsals and performances such as this game they managed to place in finals.

I'm sure if they had a better place to warm up, they'd use it. But they don't.

Its really, really simple we love the band but the band should not cause our team a distraction and cause us to loose the game or the band may not get the expousure at the playoff games cause we lost thanks to an audiable not being heard cause the band was playing!!!!

The band director or assistant should simply signal to the band when we go on offense and stop playing...it that really that difficult if so then I will.

[xnfl]

Sound observations, shooter. Sorry, couldn't resist the opportunity while laughing at your comments. Well done.


Outstanding!!! how bout 4 Q OF BAND AND 15MIN OF FOOTBALL?

[xnfl]

This is why our Band director and Football coach work together, which paid off during last years state game the most when Hightower center snapped the ball before the QB was ready. ;)

My kids played in the band and they never had to warm up for all the reasons stated, so not agree with why these bands have too. Pretty bad if the Heritage team could not hear the audible. Need to get the coach and director working together.


AWESOME!!! I watched you guys beat Trinity at pennington field, love Brown he is a great QB ...also your band is huge and really really good


AND I NOTICED YOUR BAND STOPPED WHEN BROWN WAS GETTING THE SNAP!!! good luck you guys in the playoffs!!

[chhspantherfan]

Outstanding!!! how bout 4 Q OF BAND AND 15MIN OF FOOTBALL?

talk about parents leaving at the start of the third quarter :rolleyes::eek:

[trojanbacker]

Yes, the reason we lost to Allen was the band. :rolleyes:

They were there but I'm pretty sure they had no impact other than giving us more time to get coffee during halftime.....just as they were not a factor last year when Trinity beat Allen at their stadium. If you talk to the kids on the field, they'll tell you that they seldom hear what's going on in the stands; it's mostly just background noise.

The only band I will make an effort to watch is the Bell band. Hands down the best band in this part of the state. It's not about size, or about how loud a kid can blow a horn, it's about the quality of the music.

[smw358]

This is why our Band director and Football coach work together, which paid off during last years state game the most when Hightower center snapped the ball before the QB was ready. ;)

My kids played in the band and they never had to warm up for all the reasons stated, so not agree with why these bands have too. Pretty bad if the Heritage team could not hear the audible. Need to get the coach and director working together.

I would hate to see them not work together.... man, y'alls band is awesome.....big, large and loud! I had to leave last years state championship game at halftime.....It sounded like y'alls band was right behind me all the way in the parking lot......:eek:

[dragon]

Outstanding!!! how bout 4 Q OF BAND AND 15MIN OF FOOTBALL?

Well with the way these halftime performances continue to exceed the UIL rule, that's what the football games resemble. It's absolutely ridiculous. I spoke with a referee about why they do not penalize the offending parties and he laughed, said it would be a career killer.

Go to a band performance if you want to watch the band, other wise take your ALLOTED time and perform at half time. Both football teams usually seem to play within the alloted time parameters of the first and second halves. (XNFL, I completely get your sarcasm, this isn't directed at you)

Maybe they should open up the available time after the 4th quarter to allow the bands to play with out time constraints, I'm sure the stadium would remain packed for that option.

[slcdragonfan]

Well with the way these halftime performances continue to exceed the UIL rule, that's what the football games resemble. It's absolutely ridiculous. I spoke with a referee about why they do not penalize the offending parties and he laughed, said it would be a career killer.

Go to a band performance if you want to watch the band, other wise take your ALLOTED time and perform at half time. Both football teams usually seem to play within the alloted time parameters of the first and second halves. (XNFL, I completely get your sarcasm, this isn't directed at you)

Maybe they should open up the available time after the 4th quarter to allow the bands to play with out time constraints, I'm sure the stadium would remain packed for that option.

:rolleyes:
I don't like it when a band is not attuned to the game and their team. TEAMme applies across boundaries, each should support the other. After the 2006 championship, our team went down by the band, there was a brotherhood there. In our games, most of the allocate time is handled correctly, with the exception of sound system failures.
But also remember, there are band parents and drill parents there who want to see their kids performance. They pay full price for a ticket and parking and deserve their slice of time as well. Friday Night Lights is about the whole experience for many. Try to enjoy it. Egregious time violations should be corrected within the offending school by the Coach, Principal, and Band Director. They can work it out.

***EDIT***
One thing I DO hate is the blasted metronome going while playing on the field or during the game. It is just not appropriate/professional.

[jbusch]

:DYes, the reason we lost to Allen was the

They were there but I'm pretty sure they had no impact other than giving us more time to get coffee during halftime.....just as they were not a factor last year when Trinity beat Allen at their stadium. If you talk to the kids on the field, they'll tell you that they seldom hear what's going on in the stands; it's mostly just background noise.

The only band I will make an effort to watch is the Bell band. Hands down the best band in this part of the state. It's not about size, or about how loud a kid can blow a horn, it's about the quality of the music.



best thing about the Bell band is that their parents give up their seats after half-time :D

[DragonBand06]

Let me put it this way: if the band had never come to the football games, my parents wouldn't have ever come to the games, and I wouldn't have gotten in to football.

Also, to those who say that what the band does isn't as important as what the football team does, give me a call next time you go to work so I can come by and tell you that what you do isn't as important as what I do. :rolleyes:

[The Observer]

Let me put it this way: if the band had never come to the football games, my parents wouldn't have ever come to the games, and I wouldn't have gotten in to football.

Also, to those who say that what the band does isn't as important as what the football team does, give me a call next time you go to work so I can come by and tell you that what you do isn't as important as what I do. :rolleyes:

Love the band...they add to the atmosphere...but c'mon? We are kidding , right?

Bell has the best band (According to people on this thread) around and they average around 4,000 a game probably,and SLC averages around probably 9,000 a game, and this is because of the bands?

[xnfl]

[QUOTE=slcdragonfan;1351818]:rolleyes:
I don't like it when a band is not attuned to the game and their team. TEAMme applies across boundaries, each should support the other. After the 2006 championship, our team went down by the band, there was a brotherhood there. In our games, most of the allocate time is handled correctly, with the exception of sound system failures.
But also remember, there are band parents and drill parents there who want to see their kids performance. They pay full price for a ticket and parking and deserve their slice of time as well. Friday Night Lights is about the whole experience for many. Try to enjoy it. Egregious time violations should be corrected within the offending school by the Coach, Principal, and Band Director. They can work it out.

There are several idiosyncrasies’ that go along with the band, they are an important part of football but should be in unison with the football team. SLC band has defiantly been told to play on D and stop when you are on O (Organized, prepared and centered around winning) <O:p></O:p>
<O:p></O:p>

[trojanbacker]

:D



best thing about the Bell band is that their parents give up their seats after half-time :D

so true......

[DragonBand06]

Love the band...they add to the atmosphere...but c'mon? We are kidding , right?

Bell has the best band (According to people on this thread) around and they average around 4,000 a game probably,and SLC averages around probably 9,000 a game, and this is because of the bands?I didn't say "at the games", did I?

[dragon]

"In our games, most of the allocate time is handled correctly, with the exception of sound system failures.
But also remember, there are band parents and drill parents there who want to see their kids performance. They pay full price for a ticket and parking and deserve their slice of time as well. Friday Night Lights is about the whole experience for many. Try to enjoy it. Egregious time violations should be corrected within the offending school by the Coach, Principal, and Band Director. They can work it out."

ANY time violation needs to be addressed. No where in my post did I say the respective bands should not have a half time performance, only that they should be held accountable for exceeding the UIL half time performance stated rules. Going over "only a few minutes is ok" as one band parent told me, is not acceptable, the football teams don't go over a few minutes neither should the band. Maybe that prevents my "enjoyment" of the half time experience.

[slcdragonfan]

"In our games, most of the allocate time is handled correctly, with the exception of sound system failures.
But also remember, there are band parents and drill parents there who want to see their kids performance. They pay full price for a ticket and parking and deserve their slice of time as well. Friday Night Lights is about the whole experience for many. Try to enjoy it. Egregious time violations should be corrected within the offending school by the Coach, Principal, and Band Director. They can work it out."

ANY time violation needs to be addressed. No where in my post did I say the respective bands should not have a half time performance, only that they should be held accountable for exceeding the UIL half time performance stated rules. Going over "only a few minutes is ok" as one band parent told me, is not acceptable, the football teams don't go over a few minutes neither should the band. Maybe that prevents my "enjoyment" of the half time experience.

:rolleyes: OK, when the band can call a timeout or get the clock stopped due to an OOB play or an incomplete solo or perhaps leg cramps I'll agree with you. Who gets penalized when it is the VISITING band or drill team that caused the home team band to extend over? Should we penalize the band for being on the field for playing the national anthem? Heck, that delays the start of the game.... And those blasted school songs that go on and on....

I don't like halftime delays, but I actually understand that in most cases it is not deliberate, all parties involved try to get 'er done in the time allocated. Sometimes 'things' happen which makes that not possible.

Bottom line...the games I go to last anywhere from 3 to 4 hours for a 48 minutes of playing time. An extra minute or two @ halftime is not a killer for me. An extra 10 minutes is egregious unless there are obvious extenuating circumstances. I am not a believer in mandatory sentencing.

**EDIT** But xnfl is right, the Panther band needs to get it together. ;)

[Shadowweaver]

[QUOTE=slcdragonfan;1351818]:rolleyes:
I don't like it when a band is not attuned to the game and their team. TEAMme applies across boundaries, each should support the other. After the 2006 championship, our team went down by the band, there was a brotherhood there. In our games, most of the allocate time is handled correctly, with the exception of sound system failures.
But also remember, there are band parents and drill parents there who want to see their kids performance. They pay full price for a ticket and parking and deserve their slice of time as well. Friday Night Lights is about the whole experience for many. Try to enjoy it. Egregious time violations should be corrected within the offending school by the Coach, Principal, and Band Director. They can work it out.

There are several idiosyncrasies’ that go along with the band, they are an important part of football but should be in unison with the football team. SLC band has defiantly been told to play on D and stop when you are on O (Organized, prepared and centered around winning) <O:p></O:p>
<O:p></O:p>

Yes, and the SLC band is horrible...L.D. Bell's band on the other hand has won National Championships. How is what they do not as important or significant as the work of their average football team? Why should the time they invest going into games be dedicated soley to making the football team and some of their silly fans happy?

Warming up is a serious endeavor for the bands. Preparing to march a competition show takes time and preparation, and the playing the band does during the first half would not count as a sufficient warm-up just as running out onto the field and making a few lame catches constitute a good football warm-up.

EMPATHY, people...

[pied]

Interesting question and problem.

THe band at that moment is not really part of the football game,but is preparing of their show. Right or wrong, band directors are judged (hired/fored)at how well they do at competition andnot how much support they offer the team.

The half time performances are the lead up time. The warm up is the last time they get to give final instructions/words of encouragement.

9 times out of 10, no one really notices, but in this instance it appears to have had an effect. I remember many times the band playing an impromptu fight song on the track after a score, but this situation was different.

Should the Director have stopped them, and started after the play/plays wer over? If so would that have extended the half time show?

[Shadowweaver]

"In our games, most of the allocate time is handled correctly, with the exception of sound system failures.
But also remember, there are band parents and drill parents there who want to see their kids performance. They pay full price for a ticket and parking and deserve their slice of time as well. Friday Night Lights is about the whole experience for many. Try to enjoy it. Egregious time violations should be corrected within the offending school by the Coach, Principal, and Band Director. They can work it out."

ANY time violation needs to be addressed. No where in my post did I say the respective bands should not have a half time performance, only that they should be held accountable for exceeding the UIL half time performance stated rules. Going over "only a few minutes is ok" as one band parent told me, is not acceptable, the football teams don't go over a few minutes neither should the band. Maybe that prevents my "enjoyment" of the half time experience.

I think your lack of enjoyment of the half-time experience has more to do with your superiority complex regarding High School Football. You do realize bands like Colleyville Heritage compete SERIOUSLY in National and State Band competitions? Placing at towards the top of an insanely competitive 52 band competition in San Antonio certainly seems worth investing time and effort into rehearsing, regardless of what the football team is up to. If you despite them so much, perhaps they should not bother going to the games. I'm sure the games would be MUCH more fun without the band meddling. :rolleyes:

[Shadowweaver]

We all enjoy a great halftime performance but it sucks that we have to be inconvenienced by the darn 4 quarters of football that they have to surround the BANDS performance with. Heritage Football should be more mindful during the BAND warm up to not do anything exciting on the field as the fans in the stands might be distracted and cheer over the important Band warm ups happening on the track.

Ok seriously! Why does a BAND that has been playing for a half of football in the stands need to warm up anyway?? Are you not warm already?

laaame :rolleyes:

You don't even bother trying to understand the amount of work and effort of other organizations at the game, or the reasons behind their actions...one might call that egotistical and self-centered.

I love football, but this attitude by some fans and former players is enough to make me sick.

[Shadowweaver]

Its really, really simple we love the band but the band should not cause our team a distraction and cause us to loose the game or the band may not get the expousure at the playoff games cause we lost thanks to an audiable not being heard cause the band was playing!!!!

The band director or assistant should simply signal to the band when we go on offense and stop playing...it that really that difficult if so then I will.

If your BAND is causing your football team to "loose" the game, then they have more serious problems.

Gotta love passing the buck!

[Mustangs1013]

I think your lack of enjoyment of the half-time experience has more to do with your superiority complex regarding High School Football. You do realize bands like Colleyville Heritage compete SERIOUSLY in National and State Band competitions? Placing at towards the top of an insanely competitive 52 band competition in San Antonio certainly seems worth investing time and effort into rehearsing, regardless of what the football team is up to. If you despite them so much, perhaps they should not bother going to the games. I'm sure the games would be MUCH more fun without the band meddling. :rolleyes:

As a parent of a football player, I have no problem at all if our school's band does not attend. Early in the year, Sachse played McKinney. There was an hour rain delay in the middle of the second quarter. The band and cheerleaders went home. We watched the rest of the second quarter and the second half with no band. It was really neat for a lot of different reasons that I can't really articulate. The best way I can describe is that everyone who was still there (and there were not a lot who stayed) were interested in the football game - not what cheers the cheerleaders were chanting or what antics the band members were up to. They were focused on the football game.

The halftime was 15 minutes. The players didn't even go into the locker rooms - they stayed out on the field for their instructions. Later that evening when my son got home after the game, he even mentioned to me what a neat atmosphere the game was when got home. He has never commented on the band -good or bad - before or since. I don't believe he even thinks about them until they play the school fight song after the game is over.

I'd much rather sit with 200 hundred fans focused on the football game, than 2000 fans when 1800 are there for the halftime show. Because, those 1800 are not interested in the football game, I'd rather they not even come.

I know bands can contribute greatly to the atmosphere of a football game. Because we have friends at Allen, we typcially follow them in the playoffs. I enjoy those playoff games and I even enjoy the Allen halftime show because their band is such a spectacle.

But from my point of view, if all the band wants to do at football game is practice for their serious UIL competitions, then do it on nights when HS football games are not being played.

[Shadowweaver]

As a parent of a football player, I have no problem at all if our school's band does not attend. Early in the year, Sachse played McKinney. There was an hour rain delay in the middle of the second quarter. The band and cheerleaders went home. We watched the rest of the second quarter and the second half with no band. It was really neat for a lot of different reasons that I can't really articulate. The best way I can describe is that everyone who was still there (and there were not a lot who stayed) were interested in the football game - not what cheers the cheerleaders were chanting or what antics the band members were up to. They were focused on the football game.

The halftime was 15 minutes. The players didn't even go into the locker rooms - they stayed out on the field for their instructions. Later that evening when my son got home after the game, he even mentioned to me what a neat atmosphere the game was when got home. He has never commented on the band -good or bad - before or since. I don't believe he even thinks about them until they play the school fight song after the game is over.

I'd much rather sit with 200 hundred fans focused on the football game, than 2000 fans when 1800 are there for the halftime show. Because, those 1800 are not interested in the football game, I'd rather they not even come.

I know bands can contribute greatly to the atmosphere of a football game. Because we have friends at Allen, we typcially follow them in the playoffs. I enjoy those playoff games and I even enjoy the Allen halftime show because their band is such a spectacle.

But from my point of view, if all the band wants to do at football game is practice for their serious UIL competitions, then do it on nights when HS football games are not being played.

Maybe you can start a campaign. I'm sure many of the bands would be happy to save on transportation costs in addition to the time significant time investment (Thursday, Friday, Saturday) spent at games and in class.

Your statement about bands only spending their time preparing for serious UIL competitions is erroneous, though. Significant CLASS time is spent dedicated toworking on a musical reportoire EXCLUSIVE to the football games. In the past, the band organization I was a part of would even take stand tune and music requests from the football team. It's just a fact of life that some time will be spent playing while our offense may be on the field. At least at my school, most of them were big boys that did not whine or blame their performance on a band playing around them pre-halftime.

You miss the point of my post entirely. Why should the entire time spent at the stadium be dedicated ONLY to the whims of football parents who have no comprehension about the time and investment other organizations put into their own time at the games?

[Shadowweaver]

As a parent of a football player, I have no problem at all if our school's band does not attend. Early in the year, Sachse played McKinney. There was an hour rain delay in the middle of the second quarter. The band and cheerleaders went home. We watched the rest of the second quarter and the second half with no band. It was really neat for a lot of different reasons that I can't really articulate. The best way I can describe is that everyone who was still there (and there were not a lot who stayed) were interested in the football game - not what cheers the cheerleaders were chanting or what antics the band members were up to. They were focused on the football game.

The halftime was 15 minutes. The players didn't even go into the locker rooms - they stayed out on the field for their instructions. Later that evening when my son got home after the game, he even mentioned to me what a neat atmosphere the game was when got home. He has never commented on the band -good or bad - before or since. I don't believe he even thinks about them until they play the school fight song after the game is over.

I'd much rather sit with 200 hundred fans focused on the football game, than 2000 fans when 1800 are there for the halftime show. Because, those 1800 are not interested in the football game, I'd rather they not even come.

I know bands can contribute greatly to the atmosphere of a football game. Because we have friends at Allen, we typcially follow them in the playoffs. I enjoy those playoff games and I even enjoy the Allen halftime show because their band is such a spectacle.

But from my point of view, if all the band wants to do at football game is practice for their serious UIL competitions, then do it on nights when HS football games are not being played.

Maybe you can start a campaign. I'm sure many of the bands would be happy to save on transportation costs in addition to the time significant time investment (Thursday, Friday, Saturday) spent at games and in class.

Your statement about bands only spending their time preparing for serious UIL competitions is erroneous, though. Significant CLASS time is spent dedicated toworking on a musical reportoire EXCLUSIVE to the football games. In the past, the band organization I was a part of would even take stand tune and music requests from the football team. It's just a fact of life that some time will be spent playing while our offense may be on the field. At least at my school, most of them were big boys that did not whine or blame their performance on a band playing around them pre-halftime.

You miss the point of my post entirely. Why should the entire time spent at the stadium be dedicated ONLY to the whims of football parents who have no comprehension about the time and investment other organizations put into their own time at the games?

[slcdragonfan]

[QUOTE=xnfl;1352826]

Yes, and the SLC band is horrible...L.D. Bell's band on the other hand has won National Championships. How is what they do not as important or significant as the work of their average football team? Why should the time they invest going into games be dedicated soley to making the football team and some of their silly fans happy?

Warming up is a serious endeavor for the bands. Preparing to march a competition show takes time and preparation, and the playing the band does during the first half would not count as a sufficient warm-up just as running out onto the field and making a few lame catches constitute a good football warm-up.

EMPATHY, people...

You know what, you could have made your point without attacking the SLC band. And, point of fact, they are very good this year. They made 1's at contest, the soloists were great, etc. Have you seen them this year?

I played in contests and we played/marched at the football games, we didn't have to warm up, by playing in the stands we were warmed up. I agree with XNFL on this one, warm up is fine, but be aware that other things are going on. It can be done quietly if absolutely required. We used to blow in our mouthpieces, reed people sucked theirs :). Heck, I don't see the UT/A&M/USC/UofH/etc bands warming up prior to marching.

[slcdragonfan]

I think your lack of enjoyment of the half-time experience has more to do with your superiority complex regarding High School Football. You do realize bands like Colleyville Heritage compete SERIOUSLY in National and State Band competitions? Placing at towards the top of an insanely competitive 52 band competition in San Antonio certainly seems worth investing time and effort into rehearsing, regardless of what the football team is up to. If you despite them so much, perhaps they should not bother going to the games. I'm sure the games would be MUCH more fun without the band meddling. :rolleyes:

This is over the top as well. You are EXACTLY what you are accusing him of, except band centric. :rolleyes:

The original point was they should be sensitive to their surroundings and the game. That is what I meant by TEAMme. Too many people just are interested in themselves, BOTH need to help each other. Sheeesh.

[pied]

One thing to point out here. Like in everything else you cannot generalize. There are a crap load of band members that live for the football team, and many that don't care at all.

Same with band parents. Many stay for hte games and some prefer to leave.

Same with football parents. Some support the band at their contests and some prefer to get a coke at half time.

[Mustangs1013]

Maybe you can start a campaign. I'm sure many of the bands would be happy to save on transportation costs in addition to the time significant time investment (Thursday, Friday, Saturday) spent at games and in class.

Your statement about bands only spending their time preparing for serious UIL competitions is erroneous, though. Significant CLASS time is spent dedicated toworking on a musical reportoire EXCLUSIVE to the football games. In the past, the band organization I was a part of would even take stand tune and music requests from the football team. It's just a fact of life that some time will be spent playing while our offense may be on the field. At least at my school, most of them were big boys that did not whine or blame their performance on a band playing around them pre-halftime.

You miss the point of my post entirely. Why should the entire time spent at the stadium be dedicated ONLY to the whims of football parents who have no comprehension about the time and investment other organizations put into their own time at the games?

You missed my point. It is called a football game. The focus of the event should be the competition between the two football teams. It sounds like your band tried to do somethings related to the football team. Good for them. In my opinion, our band does nothing related to the football team. The halftime show is the same one every game. They even announce that this is part of their performance for the upcoming UIL competition. So, I'm pretty sure they are not doing anything special for the football team. During non-halftime, they are in their own little world - either preparing for halftime, recovering from halftime or talking with their buddies.

I never said anything about the time or investment other organizations put in outside of the football game. I see the band practicing in the evenings when I go to the subvarsity games. As far as I know, the Sachse band is a very good band. Probably considered in relationship to other bands than our football teams is relative to other football teams.

My point is if you are at a football game, then you should support your team in whatever way you can. Believe it or not, the band can make a significant difference if they play at appropriate times.

My son has never blamed his performance (or lack of performance) on our band. However, his mom and I are sensitive to when the band plays because our son is the center on the offensive line. The quarterback is always in the shotgun. Therefor, our son and the other offensive lineman rely on hearing the quaterback to know when to snap the ball and begin blocking. When bands play during this time, it is more difficult to execute. (Hint - that is how bands can help their teams - play when the other team is trying to hear their quaterback.)

[trojanbacker]

So defensive.....

I don't have a real problem with bands at the games. They add, somewhat, to the atmosphere. Some actually pay attention to the game. But, I do have a problem with halftimes that are now running longer and longer and longer. The fact of the matter is that it is a football game; that's why the vast majority of the fans are there. That's why there is a stadium there.

Yes, we all are aware that band kids put a lot of work into their shows. And, in the proper venue, I'm sure it's quite a spectacle. But, to expect several thousand people gathered for a football game to truly appreciate the complexity of "Prayer for Light" or whatever a band's show is called this year, is probably expecting too much. That's why they have BOA and other contests.

And then there is the whole matter of revenue. Last year, football games at Pennington Field added more than $200k to the district coffers; money that went to help all organizations, even bands. I'm pretty sure that the bands did not produce any revenue for the district. Positive actually.

Band, great. Be on time, make some noise, support the team, add to the atmosphere, by all means. But, please, get off the field quickly and let us get back to the matter at hand, which is a football game.

[pied]

So defensive.....

I don't have a real problem with bands at the games. They add, somewhat, to the atmosphere. Some actually pay attention to the game. But, I do have a problem with halftimes that are now running longer and longer and longer.

Band, great. Be on time, make some noise, support the team, add to the atmosphere, by all means. But, please, get off the field quickly and let us get back to the matter at hand, which is a football game.

THe bands shows haev an 8 minute time limit set by the UIL, and it has been that long for quite some time. In addition they have 2 minutes to clear the field.

If they are longer they are penalized. This is part of the practice at half time as well.

[slcdragonfan]

I haven't really noticed the halftimes running over this year except for the sound system debacle. Can't recall about the FloMo game...., was busy trying to count who all had scored. :D Typically, the longest will be the week of contest, when all the elements are in and both bands are trying to coordinate getting on and off the field with props. Didn't seem too bad a few weeks ago.

I'll watch the next two and see what we get. But the trash cans should be coming out in 3 weeks, lets hope we get to perfect them and have the green elves hats on this year.

[DrEdward]

Evidently, it is a difficult day in Austin. The vast majority of the football fans on here and at the games, enjoy the entire experience of the high school game. That includes the band, the drill teams, the pep squads, cheerleaders, and, oh yeah, the football teams. It would certainly be far less fun and entertainment without the band. All anyone is reallly asking is that the bands stay within waving distance of the time allowed by the U.I.L. in their rules. That would also include the performance by the drill teams as well. No one really gets bent out of shape if the 28 minutes is exceeded, as it almost always is in the weeks before the marching contests; we understand carting all the show stuff onto and off the field as well as the bands going through their entire shows. Still some of these halftimes head into the 40 or more minute range and that is getting out of control. Just keep the half time within waving distance of the rules (and back off the hostility.:confused:)

[Shadowweaver]

This is over the top as well. You are EXACTLY what you are accusing him of, except band centric. :rolleyes:

The original point was they should be sensitive to their surroundings and the game. That is what I meant by TEAMme. Too many people just are interested in themselves, BOTH need to help each other. Sheeesh.

I'll concede to being over-the-top in my the defense of band programs across the state, and will happily detract any misstep regarding my comments on the SLC band. Horrible isn't the word I truly meant, but there is a significant performance difference between SLC and L.D. Bell's respective programs.

I'm not band-centric though. I am, after all, following the 5A football teams on a 5A football forum.

There was plenty of sarcasm to go around regarding the band's attendance at football games, hence my elaboration on the time investment outside of the football games that bands across the state put into the event. That would go for drill teams and cheerleaders alike, not to mention any other organization that takes part in the Thursday, Friday, Saturday night lights.

[slcdragonfan]

Evidently, it is a difficult day in Austin. The vast majority of the football fans on here and at the games, enjoy the entire experience of the high school game. That includes the band, the drill teams, the pep squads, cheerleaders, and, oh yeah, the football teams. It would certainly be far less fun and entertainment without the band. All anyone is reallly asking is that the bands stay within waving distance of the time allowed by the U.I.L. in their rules. That would also include the performance by the drill teams as well. No one really gets bent out of shape if the 28 minutes is exceeded, as it almost always is in the weeks before the marching contests; we understand carting all the show stuff onto and off the field as well as the bands going through their entire shows. Still some of these halftimes head into the 40 or more minute range and that is getting out of control. Just keep the half time within waving distance of the rules (and back off the hostility.:confused:)

Absolutely agree with those statements.
Have we had a 40 minute halftime in a Dragon game this year (other than the Belles and the sound system fiasco)? I really have not noticed. But I am not watching every tick of the halftime clock either....;)

[Shadowweaver]

Evidently, it is a difficult day in Austin. The vast majority of the football fans on here and at the games, enjoy the entire experience of the high school game. That includes the band, the drill teams, the pep squads, cheerleaders, and, oh yeah, the football teams. It would certainly be far less fun and entertainment without the band. All anyone is reallly asking is that the bands stay within waving distance of the time allowed by the U.I.L. in their rules. That would also include the performance by the drill teams as well. No one really gets bent out of shape if the 28 minutes is exceeded, as it almost always is in the weeks before the marching contests; we understand carting all the show stuff onto and off the field as well as the bands going through their entire shows. Still some of these halftimes head into the 40 or more minute range and that is getting out of control. Just keep the half time within waving distance of the rules (and back off the hostility.:confused:)

And my diatribe would not be directed at anyone appreciative and understanding of the time and effort other organizations put into the EVENT that is a football game. Noone has denied the work put into the game by the players or the revenue that can come out of athletic events.

In regards to the highlighted quote, I don't see exactly how that could happen unless the band in question was prop/or member-heavy and performing twice as slow as usual. No band show in the state of Texas will compete for longer than 8 minutes with the rare exception of BOA competition shows which MIGHT run closer to 10-11 minutes.

[chhspantherfan]

I'll concede to being over-the-top in my the defense of band programs across the state, and will happily detract any misstep regarding my comments on the SLC band. Horrible isn't the word I truly meant, but there is a significant performance difference between SLC and L.D. Bell's respective programs.

I'm not band-centric though. I am, after all, following the 5A football teams on a 5A football forum.

There was plenty of sarcasm to go around regarding the band's attendance at football games, hence my elaboration on the time investment outside of the football games that bands across the state put into the event. That would go for drill teams and cheerleaders alike, not to mention any other organization that takes part in the Thursday, Friday, Saturday night lights.

thanks for the explanation. As someone who was at the game, it was very disconcerting to say the least. As it has been said above, blow your horn when the other team has the ball. as it was, both bands were playing while we had the ball !!! Not that it effected the outcome, just that it was indicative of the lack of cohesion between the two programs. This is not the first incident.

The band is part of the pagentry that is Friday night when they mesh with the surroundings. In those cases, it is electric. When not, it is demotivating.

[Mustangs1013]

And my diatribe would not be directed at anyone appreciative and understanding of the time and effort other organizations put into the EVENT that is a football game. Noone has denied the work put into the game by the players or the revenue that can come out of athletic events.

In regards to the highlighted quote, I don't see exactly how that could happen unless the band in question was prop/or member-heavy and performing twice as slow as usual. No band show in the state of Texas will compete for longer than 8 minutes with the rare exception of BOA competition shows which MIGHT run closer to 10-11 minutes.

I wonder if this is dependent on the school district. In Garland ISD, I believe the halftime is 30 minutes (it may be 28). That is for both schools' bands to get on, play and get off. And, it allows for the drill teams to perform. I've not timed our band, but I bet they play closer to the 9 or 10 minute mark - but I could easily be wrong.

[pied]

I wonder if this is dependent on the school district. In Garland ISD, I believe the halftime is 30 minutes (it may be 28). That is for both schools' bands to get on, play and get off. And, it allows for the drill teams to perform. I've not timed our band, but I bet they play closer to the 9 or 10 minute mark - but I could easily be wrong.

You would be.

The UIL time limit is and has been 8 minutes for many many years. B

They very few bands that compete in BOA and the even fewer that alter their show can go to 11 minutes.

They haev two minutes to get off the field after the 8 minute deadline.

[DrEdward]

And my diatribe would not be directed at anyone appreciative and understanding of the time and effort other organizations put into the EVENT that is a football game. Noone has denied the work put into the game by the players or the revenue that can come out of athletic events.

In regards to the highlighted quote, I don't see exactly how that could happen unless the band in question was prop/or member-heavy and performing twice as slow as usual. No band show in the state of Texas will compete for longer than 8 minutes with the rare exception of BOA competition shows which MIGHT run closer to 10-11 minutes.

But also remember that it is not soley the bands performing at halftime, but the drill teams as well. Running over the alloted time is a frequent occurance and becomes more so as the marching contests approach.

[JagsMom08-12]

In FM the band this year gave up their time to perform to allow enough time for the drill team to celebrate their 10 years which they danced to 3 songs that the band learned that week. It was at homecoming so for any band alumni, I'm sure they were disappointed to not see the band show but our band director didn't want to exceed the time and there was confusion on whether the drill team time counted against the band.

As for people that leave after halftime - there are more JV football parents that leave from the season ticket area that I sit in than band parents. We have to pick up our kids when the game ends anyway so might as well enjoy the game.

[da hawaiian]

Must be a district thing

[chhspantherfan]

Must be a district thing

you resurected this because?

[JagFan]

you resurected this because?

He is trying to get to page 2 on the post count pages. He is doing a very good job.

[chhspantherfan]

He is trying to get to page 2 on the post count pages. He is doing a very good job.

guess i don't know what pages you are talking about.

[JagFan]

guess i don't know what pages you are talking about.

If you go to community then members list then click on the post header it shows the person with the most post counts on down. Da Hawaiian is on page 4, he wants to get to page 2. So he needs to up his post counts.

[chhspantherfan]

If you go to community then members list then click on the post header it shows the person with the most post counts on down. Da Hawaiian is on page 4, he wants to get to page 2. So he needs to up his post counts.

i'm not into the community thing. Let him make it on his own;)

[da hawaiian]

:heli:

[Trojanalum693]

Must be a district thing

?????????????????????????????

Explain.................

[da hawaiian]

I'm a band guy at heart. Varsity and Jazz band eons ago at Beaverton HS in Portland Oregon. Back then you could be Varsity band and Varsity football no prob. Just meant that you weren't marching on the field during fooball season. I heard one of the kids mentioned that you couldn't do both at Trinity....damn shame.

But, our band has a ways to go to learn the dark arts of home field advantage...see my posts about Allens band.

Before Mr Casanova, our band was a pretty good football band.

[dragons08]

Hm, I shall give you my perspective on band and football games...well because I was actually in band and knew people that played football..

The band directors made it very clear that we were there to SUPPORT THE TEAM. That is what we are there for. Yankee, myself, DragonBand06, and others would ALWAYS be cheering, I wouldn't be surprised if the people that cheered the loudest and the most we're in band. Yankee and I stood the whole game, essentially made everyone around us stand and cheer to. We started the "Let's Go Dragons" chants my frosh-jr year which it seemed the cheerleaders started to do my senior year:mad:. When halftime rolled around, MAJORITY of us didn't want to be out there forever, we wanted to get it done and go back to watching the game. I know there were multiple games, probably majority of them my senior year, that I didn't even play the second half, just watched the football game instead.

Another thing, the football coach and the band director worked together. Ya'll ever notice how the football team is led out at Dragon Stadium by the drumline? Wasson's idea. It got the team pumped.

How about when we started playing Hawaii 5-0? Dodge's request.

How about when at the pep rallies Dodge and Wasson went out of their way to thank the band for what we do and for supporting them/us?

Lets not forget how Dodge and other coaches and players were regularly seen at marching contests?

As far as the SC band "sucking", yes they may not be as good as the L.D. Bells of the world, but I bet we had a helluva lot more fun. I know yankee and I goofed off all of practice and yet we still got all our stuff done and learned very quick. Hell we even got in trouble quite a few times for our shenanigans..

Oh and if you didn't know already Carroll had and still has one of the best Jazz Bands in the state. And we send the most people to solo/ensemble every year. Not to mention the All-State selections we have every year.

But again what do I know...I was heavily involved in band and knew a lot about the football program as well...I probably heard about the Dodge leaving for UNT thing before it was released...

[da hawaiian]

All you have to do is watch the band director to see if he's a football guy. I bet the Allen and Carroll Directors are football guys. It's all in the body language

[Trojanalum693]

I'm a band guy at heart. Varsity and Jazz band eons ago at Beaverton HS in Portland Oregon. Back then you could be Varsity band and Varsity football no prob. Just meant that you weren't marching on the field during fooball season. I heard one of the kids mentioned that you couldn't do both at Trinity....damn shame.

But, our band has a ways to go to learn the dark arts of home field advantage...see my posts about Allens band.

Before Mr Casanova, our band was a pretty good football band.


Actually you can do both at Trinity because I did. I just did not participate in marching band at all my 3 years at Trinity. Strictly a concert band guy.

[Trojanalum693]

All you have to do is watch the band director to see if he's a football guy. I bet the Allen and Carroll Directors are football guys. It's all in the body language


Donner was a big football guy. His son was a freshman his last year at Trinity and was going to play football for Trinity the next year, but he got fired and last I heard he was working up at Great Wolf Lodge.

[da hawaiian]

Donner got fired and half the band quit with him. This current guy might have credentials but he's no football guy. It takes so little effort too, just a shame

[da hawaiian]

I heard Donner was teaching band at one of the jr highs?

[DrEdward]

Hm, I shall give you my perspective on band and football games...well because I was actually in band and knew people that played football..

The band directors made it very clear that we were there to SUPPORT THE TEAM. That is what we are there for. Yankee, myself, DragonBand06, and others would ALWAYS be cheering, I wouldn't be surprised if the people that cheered the loudest and the most we're in band. Yankee and I stood the whole game, essentially made everyone around us stand and cheer to. We started the "Let's Go Dragons" chants my frosh-jr year which it seemed the cheerleaders started to do my senior year:mad:. When halftime rolled around, MAJORITY of us didn't want to be out there forever, we wanted to get it done and go back to watching the game. I know there were multiple games, probably majority of them my senior year, that I didn't even play the second half, just watched the football game instead.

Another thing, the football coach and the band director worked together. Ya'll ever notice how the football team is led out at Dragon Stadium by the drumline? Wasson's idea. It got the team pumped.

How about when we started playing Hawaii 5-0? Dodge's request.

How about when at the pep rallies Dodge and Wasson went out of their way to thank the band for what we do and for supporting them/us?

Lets not forget how Dodge and other coaches and players were regularly seen at marching contests?

As far as the SC band "sucking", yes they may not be as good as the L.D. Bells of the world, but I bet we had a helluva lot more fun. I know yankee and I goofed off all of practice and yet we still got all our stuff done and learned very quick. Hell we even got in trouble quite a few times for our shenanigans..

Oh and if you didn't know already Carroll had and still has one of the best Jazz Bands in the state. And we send the most people to solo/ensemble every year. Not to mention the All-State selections we have every year.

But again what do I know...I was heavily involved in band and knew a lot about the football program as well...I probably heard about the Dodge leaving for UNT thing before it was released...


Carroll's band doesn't suck with respect to football. In my humble perspective, the real issue is putting together a halftime show which really engages the audience in the stands. The Lids thing is the most engaging of the shows the band has put on for several years and the fans loved it. The trade-off seems to be that the UIL contest judges don't seem to appreciate that. So if the Carroll band wants to "improve" its football image, then perhaps some compromise would be helpful. (Oh, and play some music the fans recognize. :rolleyes:)

[da hawaiian]

Our band is small, our band is queit, on goalline stands we'd be lucky to get the drumline. Make things worse is they get the best seats at the stadium. Put them in the endzone for heavens sakes

[Trojanalum693]

Donner got fired and half the band quit with him. This current guy might have credentials but he's no football guy. It takes so little effort too, just a shame

Yeah I know. I was almost one of those who quit.

The reason was most of the seniors did not want to deal with a new director that would put down new rules and be way tougher than Donner. Casanova is way tougher than Donner and the practices were way harder and he had harder rules, and most people just got tired of band.

Some of the seniors who stayed in band even hated him however I was not on that list mostly because I didn't have to deal with him very much. I wasn't in top band and I wasn't in marching band so I saw him very little. However he was very cool when I did talk to him.

[Trojanalum693]

Our band is small, our band is queit, on goalline stands we'd be lucky to get the drumline. Make things worse is they get the best seats at the stadium. Put them in the endzone for heavens sakes


They are quiet because Casanova won't let them play louder.

[da hawaiian]

They are quiet because Casanova won't let them play louder.

My point all along. Let's lose this subversive

[da hawaiian]

So what accolades has Trinity won that warranted the firing of Donner?

[Trojanalum693]

So what accolades has Trinity won that warranted the firing of Donner?


Well what the problem was was that they want to see Trinity's band do as well as Bells band. And we really weren't anywhere near them at least for marching band. We probably had a better concert band then them. There was an article in the newspaper that really knocked Donner. I believe it said that the students weren't getting a good enough music education under Donner. It was a ploy by the band parents on the Band Booster Club to get him fired. Some of the top Boosters didn't like him because our marching band wasn't as competitive as it used to be. We weren't making finals at contests and had less students going to All State

We students started a petition to let Donner stay shortly after the article was released but even with a lot of signatures they could care less what we students thought. It was all about what the Boosters wanted. And they wanted us to win contests and compete with Bell which wasn't going to happen with Donner.

[slcdragonfan]

Carroll's band doesn't suck with respect to football. In my humble perspective, the real issue is putting together a halftime show which really engages the audience in the stands. The Lids thing is the most engaging of the shows the band has put on for several years and the fans loved it. The trade-off seems to be that the UIL contest judges don't seem to appreciate that. So if the Carroll band wants to "improve" its football image, then perhaps some compromise would be helpful. (Oh, and play some music the fans recognize. :rolleyes:)

We are gonna talk.

But you have to understand that UIL drives the shows, especially later in the season as the pieces get added on. And we are ambitious. After the UIL contest things loosen up, remember Allen? Trash cans are a playoff thing.

But early, there are some options, and the band is interested in input.

[dragons08]

Carroll's band doesn't suck with respect to football. In my humble perspective, the real issue is putting together a halftime show which really engages the audience in the stands. The Lids thing is the most engaging of the shows the band has put on for several years and the fans loved it. The trade-off seems to be that the UIL contest judges don't seem to appreciate that. So if the Carroll band wants to "improve" its football image, then perhaps some compromise would be helpful. (Oh, and play some music the fans recognize. :rolleyes:)

I tried. Beherends had me and a few friends go through music and find some popular songs...

...I guess he didn't use my input.

[slcdragonfan]

I tried. Beherends had me and a few friends go through music and find some popular songs...

...I guess he didn't use my input.

Start making a list, and checking it twice, send it to me even if you are naughty or not nice.

One thing, you have to pay real school money for the music, can't just download it.

I foresee a day when you can rent music on something like an ipad or a smart music stand. Get it for 6-12 months, no paper costs (of course sunk costs for the stands which get mutilated). Or even rent it for 2 weeks for a game.
But that isn't now.

By the way the band played Liberty Bell March at the Corpus Christi contest this year (that's the Monty Python theme march to those not in the know). I loved playing that when I was in the band.

[da hawaiian]

Well what the problem was was that they want to see Trinity's band do as well as Bells band. And we really weren't anywhere near them at least for marching band. We probably had a better concert band then them. There was an article in the newspaper that really knocked Donner. I believe it said that the students weren't getting a good enough music education under Donner. It was a ploy by the band parents on the Band Booster Club to get him fired. Some of the top Boosters didn't like him because our marching band wasn't as competitive as it used to be. We weren't making finals at contests and had less students going to All State

We students started a petition to let Donner stay shortly after the article was released but even with a lot of signatures they could care less what we students thought. It was all about what the Boosters wanted. And they wanted us to win contests and compete with Bell which wasn't going to happen with Donner.

Which boosters? Trinity's or Bells? Wouldn't it benefit the Bell band to create discontent at Trinity?

[dragons08]

Start making a list, and checking it twice, send it to me even if you are naughty or not nice.

One thing, you have to pay real school money for the music, can't just download it.

I foresee a day when you can rent music on something like an ipad or a smart music stand. Get it for 6-12 months, no paper costs (of course sunk costs for the stands which get mutilated). Or even rent it for 2 weeks for a game.
But that isn't now.

By the way the band played Liberty Bell March at the Corpus Christi contest this year (that's the Monty Python theme march to those not in the know). I loved playing that when I was in the band.

Well he had all the samples on a disc, and asked us to go through them and find the ones we liked. So he has the list...or the local dump.

[etizzle]

I know I'm late (as usual) but I know in CFISD, the bands generally don't play while the team is on offense. I was in band my freshman year at Cy-Fair and the other 3 at Cy-Woods. The whole time, the directors emphasized supporting the team and not playing on offense. Heck, we even had to play the fight song quietly so they could snap the ball for the FG attempt. At Woods, Coach Jones made a point to come over to the band and let us know how much he appreciated all the work that we put in, and he even went up stayed to watch us do a run-through of our show the week before area contest. We were lucky enough to have a good band marching-wise and football-wise which I loved!

[da hawaiian]

Love the Avatar :notworthy

Maybe I need to fire off a note to coach Lineweaver to have a conference with Casanova. We need the band on board.

[etizzle]

Love the Avatar :notworthy

Maybe I need to fire off a note to coach Lineweaver to have a conference with Casanova. We need the band on board.

It wouldn't hurt. Even if Jones was BSing us, it was still a kind gesture. And thanks. It was my pokemon on facebook during the pokemon profile picture week.

[da hawaiian]

I'll bring it up with our booster club, and let them determine how they want to approach this.

[Trojanalum693]

Which boosters? Trinity's or Bells? Wouldn't it benefit the Bell band to create discontent at Trinity?


I won't name any names but some of the top band boosters at Trinity didn't like Donner.

[Trojanalum693]

Love the Avatar :notworthy

Maybe I need to fire off a note to coach Lineweaver to have a conference with Casanova. We need the band on board.

I'll bring it up with our booster club, and let them determine how they want to approach this.

Yes we do need to get the band on board.

that is a great idea to bring it up with our booster club and see what they say. If something is going to get done about it just let me know. I may be able to help the cause because Casanova knows me.

Did you know that there are rules as to when a band can play and not play but they are never enforced so almost no band follows them.

[Trojanalum693]

I know I'm late (as usual) but I know in CFISD, the bands generally don't play while the team is on offense. I was in band my freshman year at Cy-Fair and the other 3 at Cy-Woods. The whole time, the directors emphasized supporting the team and not playing on offense. Heck, we even had to play the fight song quietly so they could snap the ball for the FG attempt. At Woods, Coach Jones made a point to come over to the band and let us know how much he appreciated all the work that we put in, and he even went up stayed to watch us do a run-through of our show the week before area contest. We were lucky enough to have a good band marching-wise and football-wise which I loved!


Nothing wrong with being late. I do it all of the time, and nobody seems to mind. If it keeps the thread going I don't see a problem.

[pied]

Yes we do need to get the band on board.

that is a great idea to bring it up with our booster club and see what they say. If something is going to get done about it just let me know. I may be able to help the cause because Casanova knows me.

Did you know that there are rules as to when a band can play and not play but they are never enforced so almost no band follows them.

I'd be curious to see what those are.

Do you have a link?

[Trojanalum693]

I'd be curious to see what those are.

Do you have a link?

Nope their names were never released. And I can't find the article right now. I will continue to look.

At school their were many names tossed out there by the band kids but I don't want to say them. I will say this though some of the names thrown out there were by the kids of the parents who wanted Donner fired.

[pied]

Nope their names were never released. And I can't find the article right now. I will continue to look.

At school their were many names tossed out there by the band kids but I don't want to say them. I will say this though some of the names thrown out there were by the kids of the parents who wanted Donner fired.

I was referring to the rules.

[DrEdward]

We are gonna talk.

But you have to understand that UIL drives the shows, especially later in the season as the pieces get added on. And we are ambitious. After the UIL contest things loosen up, remember Allen? Trash cans are a playoff thing.

But early, there are some options, and the band is interested in input.

Whenever you like. I understand about the show prep and music selection. I don't expect trash cans for the contest presentations, but I still maintain that if the band puts together a show that engages the attention of the audience, that band has a much higher chance of winning the competetion.

[dragons08]

Whenever you like. I understand about the show prep and music selection. I don't expect trash cans for the contest presentations, but I still maintain that if the band puts together a show that engages the attention of the audience, that band has a much higher chance of winning the competetion.

Exactly. I've been saying that since I joined band.

As a loyal Dragon doc, I'd imagine you've been to a band competition or two. And you've noticed usually the one that wins, or does well, are shows that have lots of props and music that is very entertaining.

In my 4 years at Carroll, we came close to good music that the casual person can get into. And I'm stretching to say that...

[da hawaiian]

What kind of music is considered non-entertaining? Genre, composer, piece?

[Trojanalum693]

I was referring to the rules.

oh my bad. No i do not but I will try and find one.

[dragons08]

What kind of music is considered non-entertaining? Genre, composer, piece?

Boring "orchestra" music. The shows that are like sitting through a symphony.

[Trojanalum693]

Boring "orchestra" music. The shows that are like sitting through a symphony.


You just can't appreciate good music when you hear it. If it is played right it can really be good. Early on in the year yeah they usually sound bad but further down the line they get better.

[DrEdward]

What kind of music is considered non-entertaining? Genre, composer, piece?

It is not a matter of a particular genre or composer. But some pieces just don't capture and involve the audience as do others. If a band wants to do something classical (aside from the lack of strings), chances are Beethoven's Victory March, the opening movement of the 5th or the Ode from the 9th is going to evoke a better crowd reaction than some mystery piece no one has ever heard before or a passage from one of his concertos.

Want to do some country stuff? that would be great! The Carroll band has done a really great Tenneessee Waltz before. But last season, they did some sort of music from the city theme. I am sitting there looking at the skyline of Ft Worth on the horizon, yet I am hearing all these tunes that I had never heard before and none of them even remotely resemble anything one would hear in the Stockyards or in Lubbock or in Austin. Must not be any city in Texas they were referring to.

Even a little Sousa would be cool on occasion. But hope you get the idea. I am not trying to be critical of the band, but just think some can use a bit more snappy selections and the audiences would appreciate them much more. The selections could be made to appeal to the UIL judges as well (I think, but I am not an expert on what those types appreciate.)

[dragons08]

You just can't appreciate good music when you hear it. If it is played right it can really be good. Early on in the year yeah they usually sound bad but further down the line they get better.

I was in band I know all the ins and outs.

[BDB]

What kind of music is considered non-entertaining? Genre, composer, piece?

anything a top 10 DCI Corps hasn't touched....and if they did, was it memorable.


2004 boston crusaders show LOOKED really cool...but i can't remember the melody for the life of me.... but i can hum through all of "the phenomenon of cool" by the blue devils right now.

[slcdragonfan]

Boring "orchestra" music. The shows that are like sitting through a symphony.

Depends. I think Pictures at an Exhibition woudl be great on the field, but maybe that is just me. Marcus did a piece on Midsummer Night's Dram, that 2was nice last year (but perhaps didn't flow well with a football game), the aztec thing the Carroll band did I felt was enjoyable as well.

However, maybe a competition could be built upon RAP/ROCK. That would be an interesting mix. Don't know if electric guitars are allowed.

Next up, marching grand pianos playing Rachmaninoff or Chopin.

[slcdragonfan]

It is not a matter of a particular genre or composer. But some pieces just don't capture and involve the audience as do others. If a band wants to do something classical (aside from the lack of strings), chances are Beethoven's Victory March, the opening movement of the 5th or the Ode from the 9th is going to evoke a better crowd reaction than some mystery piece no one has ever heard before or a passage from one of his concertos.

Want to do some country stuff? that would be great! The Carroll band has done a really great Tenneessee Waltz before. But last season, they did some sort of music from the city theme. I am sitting there looking at the skyline of Ft Worth on the horizon, yet I am hearing all these tunes that I had never heard before and none of them even remotely resemble anything one would hear in the Stockyards or in Lubbock or in Austin. Must not be any city in Texas they were referring to.

Even a little Sousa would be cool on occasion. But hope you get the idea. I am not trying to be critical of the band, but just think some can use a bit more snappy selections and the audiences would appreciate them much more. The selections could be made to appeal to the UIL judges as well (I think, but I am not an expert on what those types appreciate.)

That was two years ago. Last year was the Aztec thing. Looking for suggestions on music NOT related to the UIL program though.

How about the Liberty Bell March? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1OqPLcIRBs

[dragons08]

Depends. I think Pictures at an Exhibition woudl be great on the field, but maybe that is just me. Marcus did a piece on Midsummer Night's Dram, that 2was nice last year (but perhaps didn't flow well with a football game), the aztec thing the Carroll band did I felt was enjoyable as well.

However, maybe a competition could be built upon RAP/ROCK. That would be an interesting mix. Don't know if electric guitars are allowed.

Next up, marching grand pianos playing Rachmaninoff or Chopin.

The coolest one I've ever seen was the DDR one Hebron did back during my junior year (06-07).

The one we did that year (Recurdos de Espana?) was probably the closest thing we've ever had to an enjoyable show....we didn't even add the coolest part in til AFTER UIL, how dumb.

Metals was pretty cool (2004) but probably because of the awesome Bari Sax solo that was there, and me being a Saxophone I loved hearing it.

[BDB]

Depends. I think Pictures at an Exhibition woudl be great on the field, but maybe that is just me. Marcus did a piece on Midsummer Night's Dram, that 2was nice last year (but perhaps didn't flow well with a football game), the aztec thing the Carroll band did I felt was enjoyable as well.

However, maybe a competition could be built upon RAP/ROCK. That would be an interesting mix. Don't know if electric guitars are allowed.

Next up, marching grand pianos playing Rachmaninoff or Chopin.

make it a sport.

[slcdragonfan]

make it a sport.

LOL, what would you call it, battle of the keys? Piano Forte? keyboard kontest?

[BDB]

LOL, what would you call it, battle of the keys? Piano Forte? keyboard kontest?

"world's strongest back competition". seriously.... if you're marching with a grand piano on your back while playing you deserve a f'ing award.

[DrEdward]

Depends. I think Pictures at an Exhibition woudl be great on the field, but maybe that is just me. Marcus did a piece on Midsummer Night's Dram, that 2was nice last year (but perhaps didn't flow well with a football game), the aztec thing the Carroll band did I felt was enjoyable as well.

However, maybe a competition could be built upon RAP/ROCK. That would be an interesting mix. Don't know if electric guitars are allowed.

Next up, marching grand pianos playing Rachmaninoff or Chopin.

Worked for the Moody Blues at one time.

I really like Rachmaninoff, so how about grand pianos on the sidelines? The Band could also do "Isle of the Dead" outside the visitors' locker room and just depress the hell out of everybody in there. But seriously, why not something different like pianos on the sideline for a different halftime show, especially in a non-UIL year?

[DrEdward]

That was two years ago. Last year was the Aztec thing. Looking for suggestions on music NOT related to the UIL program though.

How about the Liberty Bell March? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1OqPLcIRBs

:Censor: was it really? Guess the Aztec thing didn't leave a very large impression one way or the other. Sorry. :o

[da hawaiian]

:Censor: was it really? Guess the Aztec thing didn't leave a very large impression one way or the other. Sorry. :o

What could you possibly find more moving? :D

http://k53.pbase.com/o4/40/690040/1/65748780.SxsDfvjj.AztecMusic.jpg

[BDB]

What could you possibly find more moving? :D

http://k53.pbase.com/o4/40/690040/1/65748780.SxsDfvjj.AztecMusic.jpg

that's not aztec..... just saying.

[da hawaiian]

that's not aztec..... just saying.

I agree, it was a poorly executed atempt at humor. My bad

[Trojanalum693]

What the heck was Aztec?

[da hawaiian]

poor picture choice. I guess the KT's or admins disabled it - my poor taste.

[Trojanalum693]

Was it a bad picture?

[da hawaiian]

I didn't think so. It may have been culturaly insensitive but I'm a Polynesian - depending on which anthropoligist you follow I'm related to American Indians or indigenous Taiwaneese.

[Trojanalum693]

Well then I see why they took it down in these days of political correctness. You can hardly say anything without offending someone which is quite sad.

[da hawaiian]

It's good and it's bad. It's bad in that everybody is waaaaay oversensitive, but good in that it's good manners to exersize a little restraint...now what I mean?

I mean I used colored the other day and was called a racist. I mean, I didn't know that was a bad term and African American is a ridiculous term to begin with

[Trojanalum693]

Yeah i know everybody is way too sensitive. I get called a racist all of the time for the terms that I use. I get called a racist for calling black people black and Native Americans Indians and Asians Chinks.

When I am not a racist and I don't mean it in a bad way. Black people use the n word all of the time talking too each other but if a non black person uses it they are immediately called a racist.

[slcdragonfan]

yeah i know everybody is way too sensitive. I get called a racist all of the time for the terms that i use. I get called a racist for calling black people black and native americans indians and asians chinks.

When i am not a racist and i don't mean it in a bad way. Black people use the n word all of the time talking too each other but if a non black person uses it they are immediately ***dead***.

fify

[Trojanalum693]

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

it funny cause its true!!!!

[da hawaiian]

Yeah i know everybody is way too sensitive. I get called a racist all of the time for the terms that I use. I get called a racist for calling black people black and Native Americans Indians and Asians Chinks.

When I am not a racist and I don't mean it in a bad way. Black people use the n word all of the time talking too each other but if a non black person uses it they are immediately called a racist.

Even the Tongan kids at Trinity call each other the "n" word. It's a double standard.

[Trojanalum693]

I've been called the "n" word and I'm white. But I sure as heck can't get away with calling anybody else it.

You are right about the double standard.

[da hawaiian]

Double standard. One standard for you, another standard for me

[Trojanalum693]

You're definitely right about that.

I just avoid saying it at all costs.

[da hawaiian]

I do allready. But you can call me coconut

[Trojanalum693]

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

[da hawaiian]

I call my wife Cocobuns :D

[da hawaiian]

Speaking of which, ole bobby of the fence gang points at this hot black MILF jogging around the track and whispers in my ear "that kind of chocolate melts in your mouth, not in your hands" :heli::notworthy:rofl:

The fence, we talk football - but with bobby and fats, it gets filthy in a second :eek: They're worth the price of admission alone those 2

[Trojanalum693]

Speaking of which, ole bobby of the fence gang points at this hot black MILF jogging around the track and whispers in my ear "that kind of chocolate melts in your mouth, not in your hands" :heli::notworthy:rofl:

The fence, we talk football - but with bobby and fats, it gets filthy in a second :eek: They're worth the price of admission alone those 2

:rofl:


Oh yeah. I assume you are talking about Fat Boy of Troy. I have known him since I was in like 8th grade. I am pretty good friends with his son. Yeah he is great at cracking jokes.

[Trojanalum693]

I call my wife Cocobuns :D


:rofl::rofl:

[ThatWylieGuard_Dad]

Outstanding!!! how bout 4 Q OF BAND AND 15MIN OF FOOTBALL?

Well if you take out all of the time the football is NOT in motion, there is really only something like 12 minutes of football anyway.

[ThatWylieGuard_Dad]

...
If anyone knows the band director at Heritage could you please explain to them not to play when their OWN DARN team is on offense.
...


In HS (in No. Virginia) We NEVER played when on offense except in timeouts and MAYBE a tag between plays.

My older kids were in the band in North Carolina. Same deal. The Coaches would raise hell if the band played while they were on offense.


I come to Texas, the Football Capitol of the Country, so some will say, and I see our band, and others, constantly playing through snaps. The directors/drum majors seem to have total disregard to what is going on out on the field, with exception to playing the fight song after a score. And even then they play through the extra point attempt.

If a coach from Wylie HS is reading this thread, will ya talk to the band director?

(my comments are my own and should reflect negatively on my daughter, a member of TWB). ;)

[chhspantherfan]

In HS (in No. Virginia) We NEVER played when on offense except in timeouts and MAYBE a tag between plays.

My older kids were in the band in North Carolina. Same deal. The Coaches would raise hell if the band played while they were on offense.


I come to Texas, the Football Capitol of the Country, so some will say, and I see our band, and others, constantly playing through snaps. The directors/drum majors seem to have total disregard to what is going on out on the field, with exception to playing the fight song after a score. And even then they play through the extra point attempt.

If a coach from Wylie HS is reading this thread, will ya talk to the band director?

(my comments are my own and should reflect negatively on my daughter, a member of TWB). ;)





the really good band directors will play loudly when the other team has the ball and not at all when their team does. Some call it unsportsmanlike, I like to call it total team effort.

[JagFan]

the really good band directors will play loudly when the other team has the ball and not at all when their team does. Some call it unsportsmanlike, I like to call it total team effort.

We have tried and tried to explain this to our band director. He does not listen most of the time.

[ThatWylieGuard_Dad]

the really good band directors will play loudly when the other team has the ball and not at all when their team does. Some call it unsportsmanlike, I like to call it total team effort.

Personally I think the band is an extension of the crowd so it should not be a big issue. However I can understand the view of being unsportsmanlike on some levels, specially when playing At Allen. But that is a different beast all together.