View Full Version : Is Stoops to blame now?
Point Made...
10-21-2009, 05:04 PM
Is he preventing Bradford from doing the ONLY right thing now?
http://oklahoma.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1005074
slcdragonfan
10-21-2009, 05:07 PM
I personally respect Coach Stoops, he brought a lot of integrity into the program IMO. I have always thought he would do the best for his players as well, so I reserve judgment until we really know what is going on. My only issue with Stoops is I think he gambles a bit too much. That won him games early, but eventually it bites you.
Point Made...
10-21-2009, 05:27 PM
I really think Bradford is a great QB, as-well-as a great kid...
The only thing I'm starting to question is the people surrounding him?
He's got too many, or just wrong, people in his ear giving him un-sound advice.
At this point, his gut feeling should be telling him alot...and if that gut feeling is telling him to have surgery...have it.
did not see this coming. honestly. maybe he just needs more time, himself.
i'll wait to see.
JagFan
10-21-2009, 05:32 PM
For all we know Bradford cancelled the press conference and Stoops made the announcement for him. I would wait to pass any judgements until we hear from Bradford himself.
15Adragon
10-21-2009, 08:39 PM
How much money did this season cost Bradford? Any guesses? Let's start with 20-30MM guaranteed.
yankee
10-21-2009, 10:39 PM
How much money did this season cost Bradford? Any guesses? Let's start with 20-30MM guaranteed.
ya know...it's not always about the freaking money ok?
Hmmm...Any chance that these "few more people" are NFL people?
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4583332
hunterbunter
10-21-2009, 11:37 PM
ya know...it's not always about the freaking money ok?
true, its not always about the money. But I guarantee that question will always be on his mind.
yankee
10-21-2009, 11:40 PM
true, its not always about the money. But I guarantee that question will always be on his mind.
maybe, maybe not.
based on the interviews and quotes i've seen from sam, he could've cared less about the money.
hunterbunter
10-21-2009, 11:42 PM
maybe, maybe not.
based on the interviews and quotes i've seen from sam, he could've cared less about the money.
i guess it depends on what happens from here on out. If this injury never goes away and only worsens, then yea it'll always be on his mind. If he recovers quickly and gets back to his old self, then he could probably care less about the money, he'll just be thankful he's playing again.
15Adragon
10-22-2009, 08:25 AM
ya know...it's not always about the freaking money ok?
He is a great athlete. I admire him, Tebow and Colt for coming back for Sr seasons. It is a costly risk, but I do admire them for coming back to play another year.
GoOwls
10-22-2009, 10:15 AM
ya know...it's not always about the freaking money ok?
Maybe, but we'll see if he fells that way when he's 24 and selling insurance instead of playing golf.
I posted this spring that he was stupid for coming back....I'll stick by that...especially now.
GoOwls
10-22-2009, 10:18 AM
He is a great athelete. I admire him, Tebow and Colt for coming back for Sr seasons. It is a costly risk, but I do admire them for coming back to play another year.
Colt isn't the pro candidate that Bradford and Tebow are.....he needed to comeback.....they should be playing on Sundays right now.
HUM398
10-22-2009, 10:27 AM
Colt isn't the pro candidate that Bradford and Tebow are.....he needed to comeback.....they should be playing on Sundays right now.
Tim Tebow doesn't project to be a very high NFL draft choice at QB. He is still a 2nd or 3rd rounder at best at maybe TE or FB.
If Tebow plays QB in the NFL he will meet a lot of the same problems VY is encountering....an unwillingness to build an offense around him.
Colt is going to be one of the top 3 QB's taken. He reminds me so much of Drew Brees but with better feet.
He is a great athelete. I admire him, Tebow and Colt for coming back for Sr seasons. It is a costly risk, but I do admire them for coming back to play another year.
The chief different between Bradford, McCoy, and Tebow is that Bradford was a lock to go #1 overall or at the very worst a top 5 pick. Tebow and McCoy weren't even sure first round picks. The point of coming back to school for most athletes is to improve your stock (obviously there are plenty of other reasons) and you can't really improve your stock if you are the highest rated player in the draft. I thought Bradford and Gresham both made extremely poor choices in deciding to return to school and I stick to that opinion. Money isn't everything but you have to consider the monetary risk when deciding whether or not to return to school and when you are the consensus #1 pick there is a massive amount of risk with little reward possible. I wish Bradford well and hope his decision to come back to school doesn't haunt him.
slcdragonfan
10-22-2009, 12:01 PM
From a purely practical point of view, Bradford should have gone last year. I am a big fan of 'rah rah' team and of academics, but right now he is the posterboy for why you DON'T stick around. This has nothing to do with OU and everything to do with looking at your future.
Point Made...
10-22-2009, 12:03 PM
From a purely practical point of view, Bradford should have gone last year. I am a big fan of 'rah rah' team and of academics, but right now he is the posterboy for why you DON'T stick around. This has nothing to do with OU and everything to do with looking at your future.
Can't argue with that...valid point. ;)
KT2000
10-22-2009, 12:16 PM
he needed to comeback.
I'm not so sure about that with the way this season is going for Colt. The good news is that he is not Jevan Snead.
GoOwls
10-22-2009, 12:38 PM
I'm not so sure about that with the way this season is going for Colt. The good news is that he is not Jevan Snead.
What I meant was that at the time, he appeared to be a second rounder.....a successful senior year would have made his stock go up...especially if Bradford and Tebow had cashed in, as they should have.
Maroondog
10-22-2009, 12:38 PM
How do you blame Stoops?
He obviously wanted Bradford back, but at the end of the day it was Bradfords choice to go pro or stay.
NeverIsNow
10-22-2009, 12:43 PM
Tim Tebow doesn't project to be a very high NFL draft choice at QB. He is still a 2nd or 3rd rounder at best at maybe TE or FB.
If Tebow plays QB in the NFL he will meet a lot of the same problems VY is encountering....an unwillingness to build an offense around him.
Colt is going to be one of the top 3 QB's taken. He reminds me so much of Drew Brees but with better feet.
I agree with this post wholeheartedly, except the part about McCoy being a top 3 QB. Although I could be wrong...
69matador
10-22-2009, 12:46 PM
Just for the sake of argument, LOL, let's say Bradford didn't come back to play this season and entered the draft and was the #1 pick of the Lions, would we be discussing a knee injury(Matthew Stafford's) to Bradford instead of a shoulder injury? Rumor(per yahoo sports) has it Stafford's knee injury report has been sent to Dr. James Andrews.
dragonsdaddy
10-22-2009, 12:59 PM
Tim Tebow doesn't project to be a very high NFL draft choice at QB. He is still a 2nd or 3rd rounder at best at maybe TE or FB.
If Tebow plays QB in the NFL he will meet a lot of the same problems VY is encountering....an unwillingness to build an offense around him.
Colt is going to be one of the top 3 QB's taken. He reminds me so much of Drew Brees but with better feet.
i could see the comparison in 08. the 09 mccoy leaves lots and lots to be desired. if all we had to go on was 09 mccoy, i'd say he couldn't carry drew's baggage to the car. his regression to his early days may or may not be telling. was last year the anomaly? he may not be jevan snead, but he's no 08 mccoy/heisman candidate either.
15Adragon
10-22-2009, 01:00 PM
Just for the sake of argument, LOL, let's say Bradford didn't come back to play this season and entered the draft and was the #1 pick of the Lions, would we be discussing a knee injury(Matthew Stafford's) to Bradford instead of a shoulder injury? Rumor(per yahoo sports) has it Stafford's knee injury report has been sent to Dr. James Andrews.
The other point is that Stafford will be in rehab with a guaranteed 41MM. He can have a nice life and never set foot on the field again.
slcdragonfan
10-22-2009, 01:10 PM
The other point is that Stafford will be in rehab with a guaranteed 41MM. He can have a nice life and never set foot on the field again.
THAT! 41 Million lupens is pretty decent compensation for the worst case scenario, and you can bet he has guarantees.
Bradford, worst case, gets his insurance. How much is that?
There is likely a bit of blame to go around.
Can't fault Sam for wanting to come back, although it will cost him in the long run.
What if he comes back next year, does Landry want to sit out another year?
yankee
10-22-2009, 01:45 PM
There is likely a bit of blame to go around.
Can't fault Sam for wanting to come back, although it will cost him in the long run.
What if he comes back next year, does Landry want to sit out another year?
he still has a very good chance of being the number 1 QB taken in this year's draft. not sure if the nfl is capping rookie salaries or not for this draft (i thought that was at least a rumor)...but even so...he'll be making millions this time time next year.
landry is still JUST a redshirt freshman. he's proven he's the future at QB for OU, i'm not sure why he would try to leave and go to either a crappy D-1AA school or sit out a year (and he's already used his redshirt) and go play at another D-1A school.
yankee
10-22-2009, 01:48 PM
everyone can just suck it.
"Money's not everything," Bradford said. "Obviously, I think some people, they think it is. But to me, there are a lot more things. I dreamed about coming to Oklahoma and playing football. We didn't have a pro team in Oklahoma, so this was like my pro team. This was who I wanted to play for, and my experience here has been unbelievable.
"I felt like coming back and adding to that experience would be a great thing for me," he said.
yankee
10-22-2009, 01:49 PM
How do you blame Stoops?
He obviously wanted Bradford back, but at the end of the day it was Bradfords choice to go pro or stay.
good question. you don't. it doesn't make the least bit of sense.
just another uninformed poster grasping for straws.
he still has a very good chance of being the number 1 QB taken in this year's draft. not sure if the nfl is capping rookie salaries or not for this draft (i thought that was at least a rumor)...but even so...he'll be making millions this time time next year.
landry is still JUST a redshirt freshman. he's proven he's the future at QB for OU, i'm not sure why he would try to leave and go to either a crappy D-1AA school or sit out a year (and he's already used his redshirt) and go play at another D-1A school.
Need to point out, I don't fault him or any other player returning. If you look at threads at the time of the injury I stated the same.
The fact is that he will never likely make up the money he would have earned coming out this year. Simple Time Value of Money situation.
Jones finishing out this year and coming into next year and basically having to give up playing next year can't be easy/fun for him as a competitor I would think.
he still has a very good chance of being the number 1 QB taken in this year's draft. not sure if the nfl is capping rookie salaries or not for this draft (i thought that was at least a rumor)...but even so...he'll be making millions this time time next year.
landry is still JUST a redshirt freshman. he's proven he's the future at QB for OU, i'm not sure why he would try to leave and go to either a crappy D-1AA school or sit out a year (and he's already used his redshirt) and go play at another D-1A school.
Nothing Landry could do really. What would be the point of transferring schools and sitting out a year? You can either sit at oklahoma and still be eligible or sit somewhere else and not be eligible. I bet he would be pretty freakin ticked though. I doubt Landry would have come to oklahoma if he knew he was going to have to sit three seasons.
yankee
10-22-2009, 02:02 PM
Need to point out, I don't fault him or any other player returning. If you look at threads at the time of the injury I stated the same.
The fact is that he will never likely make up the money he would have earned coming out this year. Simple Time Value of Money situation.
Jones finishing out this year and coming into next year and basically having to give up playing next year can't be easy/fun for him as a competitor I would think.
i don't i've pointed any fingers you're way...
he may not make the 41 million that stafford made...but honestly, how much less is it going to be? is he going to be making 31 million? 21 million? obviously the difference between 41 mil and 31 mil is quite significant when looked at from a straight monetary view. but by god....i can't even remotely come close to saying sam made a terrible decision by staying in school and then enters the draft and signs a contract worth 31 million dollars. heaven forbid if it's not 10 million dollars more!
yankee
10-22-2009, 02:05 PM
Nothing Landry could do really. What would be the point of transferring schools and sitting out a year? You can either sit at oklahoma and still be eligible or sit somewhere else and not be eligible. I bet he would be pretty freakin ticked though. I doubt Landry would have come to oklahoma if he knew he was going to have to sit three seasons.
i can imagine it would be very frustrating to get a taste of what it's like to start for the majority of a season, and then have to take a back seat again. but like you said...what's he going to do? if sam does come back...and that's a very big if...landry will have already started 7-8 games...and then he'll have 2 more seasons to be the starter at OU. sounds like a pretty good deal to me.
i don't i've pointed any fingers you're way...
he may not make the 41 million that stafford made...but honestly, how much less is it going to be? is he going to be making 31 million? 21 million? obviously the difference between 41 mil and 31 mil is quite significant when looked at from a straight monetary view. but by god....i can't even remotely come close to saying sam made a terrible decision by staying in school and then enters the draft and signs a contract worth 31 million dollars. heaven forbid if it's not 10 million dollars more!
Never said "terrible decision", I said it "will cost him in the long run".
Even if he signs the same contract, that is one year that he will not be earning money(Big Red Auto $$ not counted). Simple time value of money stuff. Getting paid $10M this year and each year for the next six, is always better than putting it off a year(from a financial perspective).
In addition if he comes back ext year, there is likely to be a new CBA with rookie salary cap.
yankee
10-22-2009, 02:15 PM
Never said "terrible decision", I said it "will cost him in the long run".
Even if he signs the same contract, that is one year that he will not be earning money(Big Red Auto $$ not counted). Simple time value of money stuff. Getting paid $10M this year and each year for the next six, is always better than putting it off a year(from a financial perspective).
big red auto's substantial money donations to sam makes your point moot. ;)
i can imagine it would be very frustrating to get a taste of what it's like to start for the majority of a season, and then have to take a back seat again. but like you said...what's he going to do? if sam does come back...and that's a very big if...landry will have already started 7-8 games...and then he'll have 2 more seasons to be the starter at OU. sounds like a pretty good deal to me.
Games Bradford started:
BYU, Baylor, Texas
Games Jones will have started:
Idaho St, Tulsa, Miami, Kansas, Kansas St, Nebraska, a$m, Texas Tech, Ok State, Bowl Game
Jones will have started 10/13 games, playing half the BYU game, and majority of the Texas game. Taking a year off might sound good to you, but it's got to suck some for Landry.
yankee
10-22-2009, 02:20 PM
Games Bradford started:
BYU, Baylor, Texas
Games Jones will have started:
Idaho St, Tulsa, Miami, Kansas, Kansas St, Nebraska, a$m, Texas Tech, Ok State, Bowl Game
Jones will have started 10/13 games, playing half the BYU game, and majority of the Texas game. Taking a year off might sound good to you, but it's got to suck some for Landry.
which is also why i said that it's got to be very frustrating for landry.
i think he'll be fine.
i don't i've pointed any fingers you're way...
he may not make the 41 million that stafford made...but honestly, how much less is it going to be? is he going to be making 31 million? 21 million? obviously the difference between 41 mil and 31 mil is quite significant when looked at from a straight monetary view. but by god....i can't even remotely come close to saying sam made a terrible decision by staying in school and then enters the draft and signs a contract worth 31 million dollars. heaven forbid if it's not 10 million dollars more!
Not that he still won't be making plenty of money but depending on where he gets drafted it will be a lot more than $10 million. He's missing out on a year of earning money that he can't get back, he might be drafted lower or substantially lower than he would have been last year (don't know yet), and he is pushing becoming a free-agent a year back as well. Stafford (assuming Bradford would have been the #1 pick instead of him) will be paid $30 million by the end of 2010 so assuming Bradford is a top 10 pick and has a guaranteed salary of about $5 million next season he'll have missed out on $25 million (at least) by staying in college by the end of his rookie season. That's nothing to scoff at and doesn't even include lost value from postponing a possible free agent pay-day. By the end of Staffords contract and free-agent contract that value-lost number could easily balloon to around $40 million.
Of course none of this is scientific. Bradford could have been selected lower in the draft, could have been selected #1 and got a different contract, or any number of things but the point is that he put a very very large amount of money at risk.
As a result, Stafford will receive $3.1 million in compensation in 2009. In 2010, he will receive a whopping $26.9 million. In 2011, his compensation will be $9 million. Assuming he makes it through the fourth year of his contract, Stafford will have earned $49.5 million over that span.
slcdragonfan
10-22-2009, 02:25 PM
Bradford won't come back. I would almost bet the farm on that one. If he does, he is not as smart as I thought he was.
And, the assumption of dollars he will make anyway is predicated on the shoulder recovery being complete with no doubts.
Bradford won't come back. I would almost bet the farm on that one. If he does, he is not as smart as I thought he was.
And, the assumption of dollars he will make anyway is predicated on the shoulder recovery being complete with no doubts.
Hearing rumblings and rumors from scouts that the NFL guys may want to see him play again at full strength. Could be BS. Don't know.
If he does, will Stoops open up th QB competition or is Sam the starter from the get go?
Bradford won't come back. I would almost bet the farm on that one. If he does, he is not as smart as I thought he was.
And, the assumption of dollars he will make anyway is predicated on the shoulder recovery being complete with no doubts.
I could have bet the farm that Bradford was going to go pro last season... and then he didn't. Rumor mill has it that he has decided to opt for surgery but hasn't decided whether to return or not...
Point Made...
10-22-2009, 02:34 PM
What kind of impact will Bradfords experience have on projected future top draft picks that are still in their 2nd and 3rd year of college?...
If a player is projected high in the draft, and he decides to come back to college, will he be smart enough to protect his future with an insurance policy in place?...
Without a doubt, I bet every projected top 5 prospect will be looking for security now...:D
Colt, and his family, were smart enough to secure his future.
yankee
10-22-2009, 02:59 PM
Hearing rumblings and rumors from scouts that the NFL guys may want to see him play again at full strength. Could be BS. Don't know.
If he does, will Stoops open up th QB competition or is Sam the starter from the get go?
i don't see how sam wouldn't be the starter assuming everything is fine.
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