The 10 Top Teams in the State

[jnwash]

These teams are ranked based on strength of schedule and performance.
Let me know how you feel about these rankings? :ninja:

1. Cedar Hill 7-0

2. John Tyler 7-0

3. The Woodlands 7-0
4. Katy 6-1
5. R.R. Stony Point 7-0
6. Southlake Carroll 6-1
7. Dallas Skyline 7-0
8. Allen 6-1
9. DeSoto 6-1
10.Lufkin 6-1

[EaglePower]

These teams are ranked based on strength of schedule and performance.
Let me know how you feel about these rankings? :ninja:

1. Cedar Hill 7-0

2. John Tyler 7-0

3. The Woodlands 7-0
4. Katy 6-1
5. R.R. Stony Point 7-0
6. Southlake Carroll 6-1
7. Dallas Skyline 7-0
8. Allen 6-1
9. DeSoto 6-1
10.Lufkin 6-1
I believe Chill is too high. Katy is too high also. and RRSP is underrated. other than that, decent i suppose

[CedarHillFinest214]

Goodmorning to everyone are you that sick Allen Fan, you stated Cedar Hill is ranked to High man Please we could and will beat anyone in the State of Texas, hands down dont hate man Cause Allen has a loss to a 4a school and we dont lol lol

[E-Vol-ution]

It's impossible for these teams to be ranked as is on Strength of schedule and performance as you state........These teams are ranked based on strength of schedule and performance.
Let me know how you feel about these rankings? :ninja:

1. Cedar Hill 7-0

2. John Tyler 7-0

3. The Woodlands 7-0
4. Katy 6-1
5. R.R. Stony Point 7-0
6. Southlake Carroll 6-1
7. Dallas Skyline 7-0
8. Allen 6-1
9. DeSoto 6-1
10.Lufkin 6-1

[jnwash]

I believe Chill is too high. Katy is too high also. and RRSP is underrated. other than that, decent i suppose
I placed Stony Point at 5th because they haven't played a top 10 team, as for Katy they have played one of the toughest schedule and Cedar Hill have been the most impressive up to now.

[E-Vol-ution]

We all know Stony Point is good but they would not be ranked at this point if you used strength of schedule as a barometer.
I placed Stony Point at 5th because they haven't played a top 10 team, as for Katy they have played one of the toughest schedule and Cedar Hill have been the most impressive up to now.

[lil_cb_05]

Really surprised Hightower haven't cracked the top 10 yet.

[85Roughneck]

It good to see some acknowledgement for Katy's tough schedule they have performed very well in, but, IMO, they are ranked right where they should be @ #9 on this site. There are some very good teams all through the top 25. POs will be very fun again this year.

[Vong]

Cedar Hill has not been the most impressive, JT has.

[Beanz]

Really surprised Hightower haven't cracked the top 10 yet.

agreed. hightower is definitely just as scary this year as they were last year.

and as for the c hill dude above bolding out his statements. don't kid yourself. you seem a bit cocky repping a team giving up 20+ points a game.

[11swingin']

Cedar Hill has not been the most impressive, JT has.

I'd go with the woodlands or hightower if we're talking most impressive.

[Shamu85]

Where's Lake Travis on this list. I noticed the title of the thread wasn't The 10 Top 5A Teams in the State. I do wish some of you North Texans could see this team play. They are at least as good as any team in the state, and IMO they are better. As for the CHill poster, I would love to see how many points the LT O would put up on the CH swiss cheese defense.

[Vong]

How so, when the Woodlands and Hightower were good last year and JT has scored over 50 points the last four games that impressive. Woodlands barely won against College Park and Hightower won 23-0. That's not impressive.

[Vong]

JT went from avg. 20+ points last year to 48 points this year. That's very impressive.:notworthy

[dada]

How so, when the Woodlands and Hightower were good last year and JT has scored over 50 points the last four games that impressive. Woodlands barely won against College Park and Hightower won 23-0. That's not impressive.

It's not how many you score...it's who you score them on.

[Mr. Rod]

Goodmorning to everyone are you that sick Allen Fan, you stated Cedar Hill is ranked to High man Please we could and will beat anyone in the State of Texas, hands down dont hate man Cause Allen has a loss to a 4a school and we dont lol lol

A high ranking won't win you a state title. Just so ya know. :rolleyes:

[trainin' the game]

Goodmorning to everyone are you that sick Allen Fan, you stated Cedar Hill is ranked to High man Please we could and will beat anyone in the State of Texas, hands down dont hate man Cause Allen has a loss to a 4a school and we dont lol lol

welcome to the board. you are going to find out quick that if you state something like that with nothing to back it up with you will just be wasting key strokes. most people respect chill and what they have done so far but you have others that...... well. you'll see.

chill is #1 until they lose period. thanks for the poll and bye bye.

HI HATERS!!!!

[btownfever]

Where's Lake Travis on this list. I noticed the title of the thread wasn't The 10 Top 5A Teams in the State. I do wish some of you North Texans could see this team play. They are at least as good as any team in the state, and IMO they are better. As for the CHill poster, I would love to see how many points the LT O would put up on the CH swiss cheese defense.

I bet they would score between 25-35 points at this point of the season because the pass rush right now is very good and LT would not be able to block them for 4 quarters and as much as they pass, Olabode would probably have 2 picks with one returned for a touchdown...CHill offense would score 50+ though. How is LT running game? because without it their passing is less effective...

[E-Vol-ution]

It's kind of "automatic".......we call it 5A Texas Football Main forum.
LT would be in the "others" ........
Where's Lake Travis on this list. I noticed the title of the thread wasn't The 10 Top 5A Teams in the State. I do wish some of you North Texans could see this team play. They are at least as good as any team in the state, and IMO they are better. As for the CHill poster, I would love to see how many points the LT O would put up on the CH swiss cheese defense.

[Vong]

Who has Hightower played. The Woodlands only played one good team and that's Katy. JT demolished Mesquite Horn who was ranked #15, beat Lufkin, and whoop T High booty. Like I said JT has been more impressive this year. They came out the wood works. Nobody even consider JT to be this good before the season started. They were not listed on anybody's radar as being a top team, but has worked their buts off to be consider one of the teams to be reckon with, come playoff time.

[Maxthedog]

I placed Stony Point at 5th because they haven't played a top 10 team, as for Katy they have played one of the toughest schedule and Cedar Hill have been the most impressive up to now.

Agree with the SP and Katy take,,,CH,,no so much.

[Shamu85]

It's kind of "automatic".......we call it 5A Texas Football Main forum.
LT would be in the "others" ........

Oh, right, right. I guess all those Longview posts were just in my head. Silly me.

I bet they would score between 25-35 points at this point of the season because the pass rush right now is very good and LT would not be able to block them for 4 quarters and as much as they pass, Olabode would probably have 2 picks with one returned for a touchdown...CHill offense would score 50+ though. How is LT running game? because without it their passing is less effective...

Well, their D is much improved over last year and nobody came anywhere close to scoring 50 on them then. As for their rushing game, their offense through 8 games has 2,954 yds passing and 1,466 yds rushing. I seriously doubt anyone could hold them to 35 points, definitely not 25.

[Maxthedog]

Who has Hightower played. The Woodlands only played one good team and that's Katy. JT demolished Mesquite Horn who was ranked #15, beat Lufkin, and whoop T High booty. Like I said JT has been more impressive this year. They came out the wood works. Nobody even consider JT to be this good before the season started. They were not listed on anybody's radar as being a top team, but has worked their buts off to be consider one of the teams to be reckon with, come playoff time.

I have to agree with vong. TJT has been on a roll this year and they have soundly beat some pretty good teams. The DeSoto-JTJ game will be outstanding for fans to see. Althought the way they treated coach Wilson still irks me, It is good to see them back in the mix. Will be very difficult to win state on a running game alone.

[E-Vol-ution]

Longview played Allen..........therefore; past discussion on them.
Oh, right, right. I guess all those Longview posts were just in my head. Silly me.



Well, their D is much improved over last year and nobody came anywhere close to scoring 50 on them then. As for their rushing game, their offense through 8 games has 2,954 yds passing and 1,466 yds rushing. I seriously doubt anyone could hold them to 35 points, definitely not 25.

[EaglePower]

Not even going to reply to that foolish post chill fan, I simply state my opinion that chill is overrated then you don't fail to blowup and take shots at Allen , just proves your immaturity.

[Shamu85]

Longview played Allen..........therefore; past discussion on them.

Whether LT is the best team in the state is a legitimate discussion....regardless of their classification.

[Fleeman93]

I also agree that CHill is over rated and I base is on the following:

1. Slow starts against better teams - When they get deep in the playoffs this won't fly. Better defenses will mean much less of a chance to come back from big deficits.

2. Lack of ability to stop the run - If they have trouble stopping the run against decent unbalanced teams then what will they do when they run into a balanced team that runs the ball well.

3. Balance on offense - The passing game will have to get better. Good defenses will key on the run if that is all they have regardless of how good that running game is.


All things that are very correctable. If CHill can work on those 3 points then they will be a very difficult out in the playoffs.

[Vong]

JT takes what the defense gives them. J. Johnson has thrown for 984 yards and 8 touchdowns. They can throw the ball but if a team lets you run the ball down their throat why pass? How did they treat Wilson. Wilson left for more money and the fact he couldn't beat their cross town rival Lee anymore. I don't see anyone slowing down JT's offense. Their is a reason they average 48.7 points a game. They have the most potent offense in 5a.:notworthy

[E-Vol-ution]

Yes it is.....in the "other" forum for 4A. lol
Whether LT is the best team in the state is a legitimate discussion....regardless of their classification.

[Shamu85]

Yes it is.....in the "other" forum for 4A. lol

Right...along with all the Florida teams discussions, huh? Did anyone play a Florida 2A team this year?

[Vong]

How may points in Lake Travis averaging a game. They seem to be the best team in the state along with RR and JT no matter what classification.

[E-Vol-ution]

Is this Scottie's cousin????:DRight...along with all the Florida teams discussions, huh? Did anyone play a Florida 2A team this year?

[Shamu85]

How may points in Lake Travis averaging a game. They seem to be the best team in the state along with RR and JT no matter what classification.

They are averaging 52 pts per game against all competition, 50 pts per game against 5A competition. Giving up 17 pts per game.

[Vong]

Sounds like they are on their way to a 3-peat. Would love to see them play against JT. I know it won't happen, but it is just a thought.

[trainin' the game]

Who has Hightower played. The Woodlands only played one good team and that's Katy. JT demolished Mesquite Horn who was ranked #15, beat Lufkin, and whoop T High booty. Like I said JT has been more impressive this year. They came out the wood works. Nobody even consider JT to be this good before the season started. They were not listed on anybody's radar as being a top team, but has worked their buts off to be consider one of the teams to be reckon with, come playoff time.

just like their posters!:D hey good luck to you boys hopefully we'll see ya'll in december but not at rose stadium somewhere in the metromess:)

[Trinity Alum]

Not even going to reply to that foolish post chill fan, I simply state my opinion that chill is overrated then you don't fail to blowup and take shots at Allen , just proves your immaturity.

The poster will learn if he/she sticks around long enough.

[Vong]

What's wrong with Rose Stadium. Home the greatest football player to ever come out of TEXAS. Don't have me say his name, because you know who I speak of.

[Vong]

You say their fans have come out the wood works. I have been on this board since 2005 and member since 2006 and have been on this board everyday but have yet to post a lot of threads.

[CaneDadCat5]

Really surprised Hightower haven't cracked the top 10 yet.

Don't worry about the Canes, they will get there recognition in the playoffs. I said that after we dropped out of the top 10 after week 3.

[allendad]

Don't worry about the Canes, they will get there recognition in the playoffs. I said that after we dropped out of the top 10 after week 3.

Dad,

You are so right sir ! ! !

I'm just thrilled to see that there is no
HOMERISM going on in these posts.:D

I know all about Hightower.

Your presence will be made known by
the teams you leave in the dust during the PO.

Peace, brutha!

:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy


.

[CuJo iS BaCk]

I also agree that CHill is over rated and I base is on the following:

1. Slow starts against better teams - When they get deep in the playoffs this won't fly. Better defenses will mean much less of a chance to come back from big deficits.

2. Lack of ability to stop the run - If they have trouble stopping the run against decent unbalanced teams then what will they do when they run into a balanced team that runs the ball well.

3. Balance on offense - The passing game will have to get better. Good defenses will key on the run if that is all they have regardless of how good that running game is.


All things that are very correctable. If CHill can work on those 3 points then they will be a very difficult out in the playoffs.

1. JT only allows 8 ppg in the second half..

2. JT averages over 300 yrds per game on the ground...

GREAT MATCHUP!!!!!!!

[dmo069]

Goodmorning to everyone are you that sick Allen Fan, you stated Cedar Hill is ranked to High man Please we could and will beat anyone in the State of Texas, hands down dont hate man Cause Allen has a loss to a 4a school and we dont lol lol

Football: Allen > CH
Grammar: Allen > CH

[85Roughneck]

Football: Allen > CH
Grammar: Allen > CH

well played sir, well played

[Fleeman93]

1. JT only allows 8 ppg in the second half..

2. JT averages over 300 yrds per game on the ground...

GREAT MATCHUP!!!!!!!

If Chill makes it to John Tyler that would be a fun matchup. Earlier this summer I picked CHill to play in the finals but right now I am not sure. Under the current brackets I think Marcus in round two, or the winner of Allen and SLC in the regional final would all be bad matchups for Chill. Will certainly be fun to watch it all play out.

[btownfever]

Oh, right, right. I guess all those Longview posts were just in my head. Silly me.



Well, their D is much improved over last year and nobody came anywhere close to scoring 50 on them then. As for their rushing game, their offense through 8 games has 2,954 yds passing and 1,466 yds rushing. I seriously doubt anyone could hold them to 35 points, definitely not 25.

LT defense would get demolished by #1 and #11 of CHill, nobody can handle them for 4 quarters...actually NOBODY has held them for an entire half! And nobody will. People want to criticize (spelling?) CHill secondary yet we have only allowed 887 yds passing over 7 games which is 127 yds/game and 881 yds total rushing which is 125 yds/game and most of those yards were courtesy of Marcus Murphy (DeSoto). CHill weakness is special teams and giving the other team short fields so the fact CHill defense has held teams this much with those field positions is pretty good. The defense is not as suspect as people may think.

1,466 rushing is decent through 8 games and many teams can hold LT to 35 points...all it takes is a good scheme and execution, just to name a few; CHill, JT, Allen, GPNS, and maybe RRSP...

[Shamu85]

LT defense would get demolished by #1 and #11 of CHill, nobody can handle them for 4 quarters...actually NOBODY has held them for an entire half! And nobody will. People want to criticize (spelling?) CHill secondary yet we have only allowed 887 yds passing over 7 games which is 127 yds/game and 881 yds total rushing which is 125 yds/game and most of those yards were courtesy of Marcus Murphy (DeSoto). CHill weakness is special teams and giving the other team short fields so the fact CHill defense has held teams this much with those field positions is pretty good. The defense is not as suspect as people may think.

1,466 rushing is decent through 8 games and many teams can hold LT to 35 points...all it takes is a good scheme and execution, just to name a few; CHill, JT, Allen, GPNS, and maybe RRSP...

Unfortunately, this is discussion only since they won't meet on the field any time soon. I have not see CHill in person, just on TV. Have you seen LT at all? I am going to assume not, so I don't know how you think your players would "demolish" LT. You give LT a short field, and it just means they score sooner. You give them a long field, it takes them a little longer to score, but score they will.

I watched Stony Point last year several times and I also watched LT several times. IMO, LT was the best team in the state last year, and even though they lost some great players (Gilbert the obvious one, but others, too), their D is much better this year, and their offense has barely noticed any differences. I have seen SP play this year as well as LT, and once again I believe LT is at least two TD's better than SP. From coaching to play calling to execution, they are very, very good.

[TX5AFanatic]

I am a HT grad and follower. Let me say it now that it doesnt matter how long this season goes the rankings can be baffled when it comes to PO time. Ive been watching the numbers for JT and Skyline in particular and consider them to be the biggest threat given their position in the rankings. SP and Allen will be deep this year but I think most people are on the look out for them. As far as Houston teams go, HT always goes farther than its ranking suggests, and Katy always seems to turn it on high at the end. That being said, props to the Woodz so far this season as well. Looks to be a fun ride and has been so far. Each of these teams will hold their own in the playoffs.

Another note for us HT followers: We all know that HT is a shark in the water, a snake in high grass. Thats just the way HT is. They dont attract attention, they dont put the big score on the board by choice in most cases. Come playoff time, those that have not seen HT play will be in for the suprise. NS will be prepared this year - lookin forward to that one :D

[DrEdward]

Goodmorning to everyone are you that sick Allen Fan, you stated Cedar Hill is ranked to High man Please we could and will beat anyone in the State of Texas, hands down dont hate man Cause Allen has a loss to a 4a school and we dont lol lol

Welcome to the board, but unless you are the new generation of ee cummings or William Faulkner, punctuation is your friend. It will make our lives easier to read your postings. In the interim, I have no issue with chill being ranked as #1; come to think of it, I have no issues with the high school rankings in Texas whatsoever. Playoffs are our friend. Otherwise we would all be done in three more weeks.

[trainin' the game]

people keep talking about the start of chill well that does not matter, all that matters is the finish. i know that this team will finish strong always.

fm marcus has a very good team, but so does chill especially against the run. example would be the trinity game.

swiss cheese defense? maybe. however lt stopping 1 and 11 for 4qtrs won't happen. the biggest difference between 4a ball and 5a is the drop off from 1st to 2nd string so i say mid way throught each qtr they would give some huge runs.

ummm yea; until they get beat they are the #1 team in the state (ap) that is. soooooooo HI HATERS!!!!!!! i would love to to see some of these match-ups and see how the longhorns match-up with "the best".

and why are you talking smack about swiss cheese and the chill defense aren't you a georgetown fan? how many games have ya'll won? so i bet everyone ya'll play looks better than cedar hill. get off lt's :Censor: and worry about the school on your aviator:)

[Shamu85]

people keep talking about the start of chill well that does not matter, all that matters is the finish. i know that this team will finish strong always.

fm marcus has a very good team, but so does chill especially against the run. example would be the trinity game.

swiss cheese defense? maybe. however lt stopping 1 and 11 for 4qtrs won't happen. the biggest difference between 4a ball and 5a is the drop off from 1st to 2nd string so i say mid way throught each qtr they would give some huge runs.

ummm yea; until they get beat they are the #1 team in the state (ap) that is. soooooooo HI HATERS!!!!!!! i would love to to see some of these match-ups and see how the longhorns match-up with "the best".

and why are you talking smack about swiss cheese and the chill defense aren't you a georgetown fan? how many games have ya'll won? so i bet everyone ya'll play looks better than cedar hill. get off lt's :Censor: and worry about the school on your aviator:)

Worry about them? That's not going to do a lot of good. Yes, our defense is full of holes, so I would recognize another.:D

I am not a CHill hater, just a huge LT proponent. I would love to see these matchups, too, and perhaps in the playoffs we will see some of them. As for the differences in 5A and 4A, it all comes down to how many kids there are to choose from in the program, not in the school. I would bet that the LT program has similar numbers to CHill's. Not even sure how that figures into your "midway through each quarter" statement either, so your "2nd string" argument doesn't make any sense.

BTW, it's avatar, not aviator. That would be someone who flies a plane.

[trainin' the game]

tomato tomoto thats my fault on the avator thing.

lt numbers and cedar hill's numbers may be close but when you take the 100 from both schools our 1's and 2's would be better usually because we have more kids.

good luck to lt in 4a i could really care less until they make the jump. until then you might want to try and keep making noise in the 4a forums. thats what you guys wanted so go in there and talk about LT, but switch your pic before you do that because you are just asking for it with the georgetown helmet on there;)

ps: longview wins the whole thing:p; mark it down i said it.

[Shamu85]

ps: longview wins the whole thing:p; mark it down i said it.

Haha. I will take some of that action. I'll even give you 14 points. You can mark this down. LT wins by at least two TD's for their 3rd straight.

As for 5A, I think SP will take it this year after they had a taste of it being so close last year. My regional D1 champions are.

Reg I
Allen (if they do D1)
Coppell (if Allen doesn't go D1)

Reg II
RRSP

Reg III
Hightower

Reg IV
Clark

These are identical to last year, with the possible exception of Reg 1.

[katyfan52]

It's not how many you score...it's who you score them on.
Thank you. ;)

[btownfever]

Haha. I will take some of that action. I'll even give you 14 points. You can mark this down. LT wins by at least two TD's for their 3rd straight.

As for 5A, I think SP will take it this year after they had a taste of it being so close last year. My regional D1 champions are.

Reg I
Allen (if they do D1)
Coppell (if Allen doesn't go D1)

Reg II
RRSP

Reg III
Hightower

Reg IV
Clark

These are identical to last year, with the possible exception of Reg 1.

Coppell????? HA! now i know all of your posts are jokes! Allen will go D1 because plano will not win out and that means the big four in DII R1 are Abilene vs. CHill and SLC vs. Bowie...the winners will play in the R1 final. Let me know when RRSTP plays a worthy opponent. KEEP THE JOKES COMIN!

[ROD LEE]

Coppell????? HA! now i know all of your posts are jokes! Allen will go D1 because plano will not win out and that means the big four in DII R1 are Abilene vs. CHill and SLC vs. Bowie...the winners will play in the R1 final. Let me know when RRSTP plays a worthy opponent. KEEP THE JOKES COMIN!Keep forgetting about them being D2.

[Shamu85]

Coppell????? HA! now i know all of your posts are jokes! Allen will go D1 because plano will not win out and that means the big four in DII R1 are Abilene vs. CHill and SLC vs. Bowie...the winners will play in the R1 final. Let me know when RRSTP plays a worthy opponent. KEEP THE JOKES COMIN!

Hey Einstein, this is about D1 not D2. Without Allen, who would be your pick then? Here's your choices. I could see a Trinity-Coppell final easily. Coppell definitely has a good chance of winning that one.

EP El Dorado vs. Odessa Permian
FW Haltom vs. Arlington High
Euless Trinity vs. Flower Mound
Duncanville vs. Plano

EP Franklin vs. Odessa High
Burleson vs. Arlington Martin
Keller vs. Coppell
Irving Macarthur vs. Plano East

[E-Vol-ution]

Trinity - Martin in my book............
Hey Einstein, this is about D1 not D2. Without Allen, who would be your pick then? Here's your choices. I could see a Trinity-Coppell final easily. Coppell definitely has a good chance of winning that one.

EP El Dorado vs. Odessa Permian
FW Haltom vs. Arlington High
Euless Trinity vs. Flower Mound
Duncanville vs. Plano

EP Franklin vs. Odessa High
Burleson vs. Arlington Martin
Keller vs. Coppell
Irving Macarthur vs. Plano East

[Shamu85]

Trinity - Martin in my book............

Great. That could very well happen, but Coppell is certainly no joke.

[trainin' the game]

Great. That could very well happen, but Coppell is certainly no joke.

dang! you have the inside to coppell too. well what does irv. mac have thats who we play this week i'm interested in knowing.

[Shamu85]

dang! you have the inside to coppell too. well what does irv. mac have thats who we play this week i'm interested in knowing.

What exactly is the "inside to Coppell"?

[trainin' the game]

What exactly is the "inside to Coppell"?

you are in the know.

[Shamu85]

you are in the know.

Oh, so you meant to type insight...I get it now. I'll remember that when posting in direct response to you in the future.

Funny, you use sarcasm toward me, but have you even seen any other team play this year other than CHill and their weekly opponent? You sure seem to know what #1 and #11 would do to all other teams.

[The Wet Mustard]

Oh, so you meant to type insight...I get it now. I'll remember that when posting in direct response to you in the future.

Funny, you use sarcasm toward me, but have you even seen any other team play this year other than CHill and their weekly opponent? You sure seem to know what #1 and #11 would do to all other teams.

To be honest, have "1&11" played any great defenses.

RRSP
Katy
NS

type offenses

[platnmram]

Coppell????? HA! now i know all of your posts are jokes! Allen will go D1 because plano will not win out and that means the big four in DII R1 are Abilene vs. CHill and SLC vs. Bowie...the winners will play in the R1 final. Let me know when RRSTP plays a worthy opponent. KEEP THE JOKES COMIN!
sTp played the same schedule last year and look at the outcome. Playoffs is when it really counts. SOS and rankings is not going to matter come playoff time.

[trainin' the game]

To be honest, have "1&11" played any great defenses.

RRSP
Katy
NS

type offenses

how would they? i mean lets really think of how many teams cross the state to play each other? they are in different regions:eek:

say what you want but the stats don't lie, and trinity was pretty stout and malena didn't play and chill was still ok.

by the way its a post not a thesis(georgetown/LT fan) chill out.

[Shamu85]

by the way its a post not a thesis(georgetown/LT fan) chill out.

Still needs to be understood, right?

BTW, you didn't comment on whether or not you have seen any other teams besides CHill and their weekly opponents play this year.

[E-Vol-ution]

If NS defense is great, does that mean that PAM's offense is the greatest?
I don't think so........
If that SLC QB was hitting those open recievers.....Katy would have been the defining factor as to how "great" NS defense is.
RRSP had a great defense last year, have we really seen how great they are this year?
Katy's defense is so great that the Woodlands has a greater offense?
Let's face it....against top competition........no one so far has exhibited that they have a great defense this year.
Now isn't that the truth?
To be honest, have "1&11" played any great defenses.

RRSP
Katy
NS

type offenses

[btownfever]

Hey Einstein, this is about D1 not D2. Without Allen, who would be your pick then? Here's your choices. I could see a Trinity-Coppell final easily. Coppell definitely has a good chance of winning that one.

EP El Dorado vs. Odessa Permian
FW Haltom vs. Arlington High
Euless Trinity vs. Flower Mound
Duncanville vs. Plano

EP Franklin vs. Odessa High
Burleson vs. Arlington Martin
Keller vs. Coppell
Irving Macarthur vs. Plano East

my bad...got carried away...Coppell vs. Trinity seems the most logical if no Allen but Allen will go DI so they will win that Region....Martin is the sleeper i think...

[Shamu85]

my bad...got carried away...Coppell vs. Trinity seems the most logical if no Allen but Allen will go DI so they will win that Region....Martin is the sleeper i think...

I agree. Martin used to be just a baseball school (a very good one, though), but it seems their football program has found its way quite nicely these days.

[The Wet Mustard]

If NS defense is great, does that mean that PAM's offense is the greatest?
I don't think so........
If that SLC QB was hitting those open recievers.....Katy would have been the defining factor as to how "great" NS defense is.
RRSP had a great defense last year, have we really seen how great they are this year?
Katy's defense is so great that the Woodlands has a greater offense?
Let's face it....against top competition........no one so far has exhibited that they have a great defense this year.
Now isn't that the truth?
Show me 3 defenses as stout as katy ns and Rrsp, and ill shouw you the top 6 in the state :cool:

Katy has allowed what 12pts a game vs a fairly tough schedule.

I think they are a top defense, I also think that they could stop the two running backs from Chill maybe not stop, but they would not take over the game. They see a 4headed monster of a running atack everyday at practice. (Young, jeffery, jefferies, and Stojck(the Qb can run))

[alleneagle4]

Goodmorning to everyone are you that sick Allen Fan, you stated Cedar Hill is ranked to High man Please we could and will beat anyone in the State of Texas, hands down dont hate man Cause Allen has a loss to a 4a school and we dont lol lol

..........and that was your first post........:confused: ? lmao!:rolleyes:


got a lot to learn kid

[Nsalumni]

If NS defense is great, does that mean that PAM's offense is the greatest?
I don't think so........
If that SLC QB was hitting those open recievers.....Katy would have been the defining factor as to how "great" NS defense is.
RRSP had a great defense last year, have we really seen how great they are this year?
Katy's defense is so great that the Woodlands has a greater offense?
Let's face it....against top competition........no one so far has exhibited that they have a great defense this year.
Now isn't that the truth?

It wasn't north shores defense that gave up the fluke to Pam, it was the offense not being able to hold onto the ball, or even stand up. North shore hasn't let up Many points at all. So don't blame the defense blame the offense for all the mistakes.

[TrinityTrojan80]

I agree. Martin used to be just a baseball school (a very good one, though), but it seems their football program has found its way quite nicely these days.

Martin, Coppell are some fine football teams. Trinity is planning on playing Skyline, RRSP and Northshore this year in the playoffs as a part of our six playoff wins.:D

[E-Vol-ution]

Nope......not a single defense in the top twenty five has shown itself to be great this year through the regular season unless they haven't played a top team. That's a fact.
That's some homer stuff talking about your running attack. That plane never took off so far........so hold it close until they do.
Show me 3 defenses as stout as katy ns and Rrsp, and ill shouw you the top 6 in the state :cool:

Katy has allowed what 12pts a game vs a fairly tough schedule.

I think they are a top defense, I also think that they could stop the two running backs from Chill maybe not stop, but they would not take over the game. They see a 4headed monster of a running atack everyday at practice. (Young, jeffery, jefferies, and Stojck(the Qb can run))

[PackAttack2005]

From Rivals Top 100 rankings:

http://highschool.rivals.com/viewrankhs.asp?ra_key=646

# 7 - Cedar Hill threw up 50 on Duncanville. They also allowed 23. The playoffs will be interesting to see how their "Texas Tech" philosophy to defense plays out.

[E-Vol-ution]

I had to bring up NS among others as a point that no one has played to the status of being great on defense at this point. No way trying to slight your school....just adding them to the "total". :notworthyIt wasn't north shores defense that gave up the fluke to Pam, it was the offense not being able to hold onto the ball, or even stand up. North shore hasn't let up Many points at all. So don't blame the defense blame the offense for all the mistakes.

[A Fan]

Show me 3 defenses as stout as katy ns and Rrsp, and ill shouw you the top 6 in the state :cool:

Katy has allowed what 12pts a game vs a fairly tough schedule.

I think they are a top defense, I also think that they could stop the two running backs from Chill maybe not stop, but they would not take over the game. They see a 4headed monster of a running atack everyday at practice. (Young, jeffery, jefferies, and Stojck(the Qb can run))

Your 4headed monster of a running attack to date has 1569 rushing yards. Our 2headed monster has 1449 rushing yards and thats with Malena missing 3 games with an injury. So you are correct sir maybe NOT STOP C-Hill.

[Fleeman93]

I have seen Chill play two times this season (Desoto and Duncanville) and I can say with a good amount of confidence that if Katy were to play Chill right now I would really like our chances. Katy matches up perfectly with Chill in my opinion.

[dada]

Your 4headed monster of a running attack to date has 1569 rushing yards. Our 2headed monster has 1449 rushing yards and thats with Malena missing 3 games with an injury. So you are correct sir maybe NOT STOP C-Hill.

Young only played 1 game, the first...and that's it....Jeffries and Jeffrey has been the running game.

[A Fan]

Young only played 1 game, the first...and that's it....Jeffries and Jeffrey has been the running game.

That might be the case, but i was not the one to post the 4headed monster of an running attack. Like they were running over everybody, we know thats not the case.

[btownfever]

Cedar Hill threw up 50 on Duncanville. They also allowed 23. The playoffs will be interesting to see how their "Texas Tech" philosophy to defense plays out.

thank you rivals.com reporter...i see no similarities between cedar hill and texas tech, not even in philosophy...stupid

[Fleeman93]

thank you rivals.com reporter...i see no similarities between cedar hill and texas tech, not even in philosophy...stupid

I agree. I would say Tech has a much better offense and slightly more consistent defense.

[businesstron]

I would figure Cedar hill a bad matchup for Katy. They are a well coached team with great multiple contributers at all the positions and they pass well enough to open up a game. They've been doing okay these few weeks despite the fact that the heart of thier defense is out and the flu has pretty much been wrecking havoc all over that Southwest Dallas area.


Katy matches up well against one dimensional teams... It'll be a nice game if it happens though.....

[Fleeman93]

I would figure Cedar hill a bad matchup for Katy. They are a well coached team with great multiple contributers at all the positions and they pass well enough to open up a game. They've been doing okay these few weeks despite the fact that the heart of thier defense is out and the flu has pretty much been wrecking havoc all over that Southwest Dallas area.


Katy matches up well against one dimensional teams... It'll be a nice game if it happens though.....

I agree with this 100% which is what prompted my first post about liking Katy's chances. Right now Max Preps has Cedar Hill at 83% run (291 plays) and 17% pass (61 plays). I would say that is about as one dimensional as you can get and yes Katy plays one dimensional teams very very well usually.

[querstions]

I agree with this 100% which is what prompted my first post about liking Katy's chances. Right now Max Preps has Cedar Hill at 83% run (291 plays) and 17% pass (61 plays). I would say that is about as one dimensional as you can get and yes Katy plays one dimensional teams very very well usually.

Its actually 71% run (304 plays for 2131 yards) and 29% pass (126 plays for 903 yards). In district they are 72% run (213 plays for 1021 yards) and 28% pass (49 plays for 410 yards). The district stat is with only throwing 11 times vs Irving High because the game was out of hand half way through the first quarter, and playing back ups half of the third quarter and all of the forth quarter.

[Fleeman93]

Its actually 71% run (304 plays for 2131 yards) and 29% pass (126 plays for 903 yards). In district they are 72% run (213 plays for 1021 yards) and 28% pass (49 plays for 410 yards). The district stat is with only throwing 11 times vs Irving High because the game was out of hand half way through the first quarter, and playing back ups half of the third quarter and all of the forth quarter.

Still pretty one dimensional right?

[trainin' the game]

ok boys it's real simple:

if chill and katy play imho chill wins. am i a homer yes, but most people are picking a name just like when chill played trinity this year. this chill team has played maybe one game with all of its starters. This is a two headed snake. i will go ahead and explain; some people will say well those kids will be rusty and make the team suffer and others will say that they have legit subs when the starters return.

katy is good and well coached so is chill; most people should say its a toss up, but it's katy so people will go with what seems to be the norm which is katy, slc, etc. chill does not fall into that yet but maybe just maybe they will after this year.

[businesstron]

True but Cedar Hill can pass basically whenever they need to. Like in that that Desoto game when they were down by 3 scores and Malena went down. Driphus's passing put them back into that game and open up their run game.

This season they are consistently getting 100-150 yds passing a game. That isn't much but pair that up with their running game that can get 250 yards easily that's a scary matchup. Those 61 plays have accounted for 9 tds and about 904 yards that is something to be respected.

I say that to say they have a good level of comfort when they go back to pass...

[A Fan]

I agree with this 100% which is what prompted my first post about liking Katy's chances. Right now Max Preps has Cedar Hill at 83% run (291 plays) and 17% pass (61 plays). I would say that is about as one dimensional as you can get and yes Katy plays one dimensional teams very very well usually.

C-Hill has two studs Malena avg 122 yrds per game and Mason avg 120. We have an O-line that can dominate, it just seems to make sence to run. 17% pass okay that means we dont's have to open it up, not to say we can't... just no need to right now.

[Fleeman93]

I'm curious, what would you Chill fans say are the three best defenses you guys have faced? Can you give them to me in order please, best to worst.


EDIT:

Nevermind I found it on Max Preps as follows:

Trinity - 13th best in DFW at 279.4 a game
Desoto - 21st best in DFW at 322 a game
South Grande Praire - 24th best in DFW at 323.2 a game

A Marting - Not ranked in the top 25 in DFW
Irving - Not ranked in the top 25 in DFW
Duncanville - Not ranked in the top 25 in DFW

[DragonFan0316]

Chill is toying with the rest of the state. They can do what they want on offense and the defense is tough. Speed kills and they have speed. they run the table this year. Wish we weren't in their division.:notworthy

[trainin' the game]

C-Hill has two studs Malena avg 122 yrds per game and Mason avg 120. We have an O-line that can dominate, it just seems to make sence to run. 17% pass okay that means we dont's have to open it up, not to say we can't... just no need to right now.

+1:)

i see ya starting to bring some knowledge.

[trainin' the game]

I'm curious, what would you Chill fans say are the three best defenses you guys have faced? Can you give them to me in order please, best to worst.

trinity
desoto
d'ville(the first half)
nimitz( haven't played them yet)

[DiminishingReturns]

trinity
desoto
d'ville(the first half)
nimitz( haven't played them yet)
took the words right out of my mouth...

Based on stats though
trinity - 279 ypg
desoto - 322 ypg
SGP - 323 ypg

Dont forget Mac(280 ypg) and Nimitz (246)

Good thing they don't hand out rings for stats and rankings, a lot of football left to be played.

[trainin' the game]

[quote=diminishingreturns;1344799]took the words right out of my mouth...

Based on stats though
trinity - 279 ypg
desoto - 322 ypg
sgp - 323 ypg

dont forget mac(280 ypg) and nimitz (246)

good thing they don't hand out rings for stats and rankings, a lot of football left to be played.[/qu

that was pretty close.

[Fleeman93]

trinity
desoto
d'ville(the first half)
nimitz( haven't played them yet)

So as it stands the Chill offense, which is certainly explosive, has only seen the 13th best defense in the DFW area so far this year. Raise any eyebrows at all?

[trainin' the game]

So as it stands the Chill offense, which is certainly explosive, has only seen the 13th best defense in the DFW area so far this year. Raise any eyebrows at all?

no, look at what the other top teams have faced and ask them the same question? look at the defenses katy has faced while your at it.

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[Fleeman93]

no, look at what the other top teams have faced and ask them the same question? look at the defenses katy has faced while your at it.

.

We can certainly debate Katy if you want. I wouldn't argue with you about Katy not looking great thus far against one of the toughest schedules in the state. I would guess that North Shore and the Woodland's defenses would rank much better than anyone on Chill's schedule thus far though.

[trainin' the game]

We can certainly debate Katy if you want. I wouldn't argue with you about Katy not looking great thus far against one of the toughest schedules in the state. I would guess that North Shore and the Woodland's defenses would rank much better than anyone on Chill's schedule thus far though.

maybe i just know up here desoto and trinity aren't that bad either. to each is own hopefully we will have a better idea in oh about 9 weeks.

[Shamu85]

Martin, Coppell are some fine football teams. Trinity is planning on playing Skyline, RRSP and Northshore this year in the playoffs as a part of our six playoff wins.:D

You would only be able to play Skyline or RRSP, but not both since they are both in Region II.:)

[querstions]

Still pretty one dimensional right?

not for a running team. I would like to see it closer to 65/35, but much better than last year

[Fleeman93]

not for a running team. I would like to see it closer to 65/35, but much better than last year

Will be interesting to see how you guys fair against the better defenses on your schedule.

[querstions]

Will be interesting to see how you guys fair against the better defenses on your schedule.

other than looking at ranked defenses, would it be more applicable to see how chill has faired against their opponents who do well statistically against the run?

[businesstron]

We can certainly debate Katy if you want. I wouldn't argue with you about Katy not looking great thus far against one of the toughest schedules in the state. I would guess that North Shore and the Woodland's defenses would rank much better than anyone on Chill's schedule thus far though.

And you would guess wrong...

Since your living off of stats....


I had to pull this from Chron.com but North Shore the best defense you've seen all year is allowing 305.1 yards per game. On top of that I remember La Marque (a 4a team) running and all over them. Just think what a healthy Cedar Hill offense would do to them...

The Woodlands defense is a little better though they are giving up 256. But they can definitly be ran on..and if it's they struggle against well coached teams with good athletes (like Lufkin) Cedar Hill would be a terrible match up for them. I'm not even including that 3a Washington team y'll played....



If you look at stats only Katy's defense is only 3 yards better then Cedar Hill
Cedar Hill gives up 255 yds a game and Katy gives up 252 yards a game. Cedar Hill has also faced the Number offense in the State (Desoto 2300 yards passing 1500 yards rushing)....so there goes your 3 yards.

[Fleeman93]

And you would guess wrong...

Since your living off of stats....


I had to pull this from Chron.com but North Shore the best defense you've seen all year is allowing 305.1 yards per game. On top of that I remember La Marque (a 4a team) running and all over them. Just think what a healthy Cedar Hill offense would do to them...

The Woodlands defense is a little better though they are giving up 256. But they can definitly be ran on..and if it's they struggle against well coached teams with good athletes (like Lufkin) Cedar Hill would be a terrible match up for them. I'm not even including that 3a Washington team y'll played....



If you look at stats only Katy's defense is only 3 yards better then Cedar Hill
Cedar Hill gives up 255 yds a game and Katy gives up 252 yards a game. Cedar Hill has also faced the Number offense in the State (Desoto 2300 yards passing 1500 yards rushing)....so there goes your 3 yards.

You got me I guess. I hope we both make it to the title game. I'm starting to think you guys won't although I did pick you guys to play in the title game earlier this summer.

[Nsalumni]

Well I honestly don't believe cedar hills offense would do anything different to north shores defense. I believe Katy, woodlands, lufkin, John Tyler, southlake Carrol and north shore could all definately send cedar hill home with a big L cedar hill allows too many points and all these named offenses would have a field day with that.. ESPECIALLY those dragons south of the lake. And you would guess wrong...

Since your living off of stats....


I had to pull this from Chron.com but North Shore the best defense you've seen all year is allowing 305.1 yards per game. On top of that I remember La Marque (a 4a team) running and all over them. Just think what a healthy Cedar Hill offense would do to them...

The Woodlands defense is a little better though they are giving up 256. But they can definitly be ran on..and if it's they struggle against well coached teams with good athletes (like Lufkin) Cedar Hill would be a terrible match up for them. I'm not even including that 3a Washington team y'll played....



If you look at stats only Katy's defense is only 3 yards better then Cedar Hill
Cedar Hill gives up 255 yds a game and Katy gives up 252 yards a game. Cedar Hill has also faced the Number offense in the State (Desoto 2300 yards passing 1500 yards rushing)....so there goes your 3 yards.

[Fleeman93]

And you would guess wrong...

Since your living off of stats....


I had to pull this from Chron.com but North Shore the best defense you've seen all year is allowing 305.1 yards per game. On top of that I remember La Marque (a 4a team) running and all over them. Just think what a healthy Cedar Hill offense would do to them...

The Woodlands defense is a little better though they are giving up 256. But they can definitly be ran on..and if it's they struggle against well coached teams with good athletes (like Lufkin) Cedar Hill would be a terrible match up for them. I'm not even including that 3a Washington team y'll played....



If you look at stats only Katy's defense is only 3 yards better then Cedar Hill
Cedar Hill gives up 255 yds a game and Katy gives up 252 yards a game. Cedar Hill has also faced the Number offense in the State (Desoto 2300 yards passing 1500 yards rushing)....so there goes your 3 yards.

Not that they are the be all end all but Massey has each team's defenses as follows:

Woodland's #5 in the state
North Shore #6 in the state
Katy #7 in the state
Cedar Hill #57 in the state

[hornfan]

The hills defense will be ok all state lb benson has missed 4 games. As ive said before the running game will make other teasms tap out, these boys are ready for all comers.

[trainin' the game]

Well I honestly don't believe cedar hills offense would do anything different to north shores defense. I believe Katy, woodlands, lufkin, John Tyler, southlake Carrol and north shore could all definately send cedar hill home with a big L cedar hill allows too many points and all these named offenses would have a field day with that.. ESPECIALLY those dragons south of the lake.

aawwwwwahahhhh:o "heard it all before" like sunshine anderson; last year. this year it's not just ben malena, he has his brother with him in mason haynes so slc's d cannot just key on malena they have to play straight up since they are both are in the back field:eek: you could bring up a safety but well then you still have driphus back there and he would love to see man on man:D so would chill's wr's.

[Nsalumni]

[QUOTE=trainin' the game;1345508][/B]

aawwwwwahahhhh:o "heard it all before" like sunshine anderson; last year. this year it's not just ben malena, he has his brother with him in mason haynes so slc's d cannot just key on malena they have to play straight up since they are both are in the back field:eek: you could bring up a safety but well then you still have driphus back there and he would love to see man on man:D so would chill's wrs



Well I for one am itchin for a chill slc match up so I will get to see the dragons play the tigers again:D I can't wait to seehow southlakes offensive line is clickin by that time. I also plan on seein John Tyler beat desoto alot worse than chill did. And if, somehow, chill does edge southlake Carroll, they have to face that team if angry red tigers. Chill needs to play better d to play with the better offenses

[hornfan]

Are you serious Why so much disdain for my boys.

[jnwash]

Chill is toying with the rest of the state. They can do what they want on offense and the defense is tough. Speed kills and they have speed. they run the table this year. Wish we weren't in their division.:notworthy
It sounds like SLC should be worried if CHill is that good.

[Nsalumni]

Are you serious Why so much disdain for my boys.

Lol no man, no disdain. Remember I went to north shore, everyday I have to read ppl callin us underachievers, overrated, ect. So I know what that's like lol. It's just there's not really any teams out there this year that look completely dominant. Nothin personal towards cedar hill bro

[hornfan]

Lol no man, no disdain. Remember I went to north shore, everyday I have to read ppl callin us underachievers, overrated, ect. So I know what that's like lol. It's just there's not really any teams out there this year that look completely dominant. Nothin personal towards cedar hill bro
Its cool man im stuck in san diego and have to hear about how we worship football in tejas, please san diego is football crazy also i might start a new thread.

[E-Vol-ution]

You a Navy guy?
Its cool man im stuck in san diego and have to hear about how we worship football in tejas, please san diego is football crazy also i might start a new thread.