The Hunt for a Contender (article- 10/12)

[KT2000]

http://www.5atexasfootball.com/ssp/news?news_id=115

I wanted to open this up for discussion.

[kalanj]

Great article.:notworthy

[Point Made...]

Well written...no doubt that the big picture will start to come into focus the next few weeks.

btw...like the swiss army knife analogy.

[Eagle2]

Very good article with good teams to ponder over. Being from the DFW metroplex, Allen & DeSoto have definitely progressed since early season losses. CHill has not been pushed since DeSoto. Skyline does have talent and will get its test Friday against Berkner then will wait for DeSoto in 2nd round. Allen is waiting on others to decide whether they go D1 or D2. DeSoto has an explosive offense with a QB that threw for 500 yds last week that will get tested against JTyler in Tyler last game in Nov after playing MHorn at home that shows some vulnerability on defense but can score anytime and no defense other than Berkner during rain has been able to slow them down. Out of the DFW area Allen, CHill, Trinity, SLC, DeSoto and Skyline are sure bets for advancing in playoffs. Who can get hot and on a roll will become champion. This is what makes HS football in Texas exciting. Any given night anyone can be beat.

[CuJo iS BaCk]

Can't wait to see the article 10 weeks from now!!!

[johntylerfan]

I agree that if JT continues to keep focus on their stated goals and mission they will definitely be a contender. I love this team's QUIET SWAG. They are a very confident but VERY GROUNDED team. They keep a cool demeanor through everything and that is a very RARE quality to have. I am so enjoying watching this team progress. The thing is that they haven't even unleash their TRUE potential anf that would be a TERRIFYING thing for other teams to face.

[Bill4par]

Great,:) great article. Teams like Allen, ET ( yes, not counting them out), Cedar Hill, DeSoto, Skyline and down south RRSTP, Katy, Woodlands, FB Hightower - these teams develop an enertia that propel them thru the playoffs. This enertia is developed through out the season by geling as a team, as a def and offensive squad etc. This is where is gets pretty cool to watch. Each year there is always 1 play I see that sticks with me, I wonder what that play will be this year?:)

[Point Made...]

Great,:) great article. Teams like Allen, ET ( yes, not counting them out), Cedar Hill, DeSoto, Skyline and down south RRSTP, Katy, Woodlands, FB Hightower - these teams develop an enertia that propel them thru the playoffs. This enertia is developed through out the season by geling as a team, as a def and offensive squad etc. This is where is gets pretty cool to watch. Each year there is always 1 play I see that sticks with me, I wonder what that play will be this year?:)


ummmm....inertia?;)

[Bill4par]

Point made

[bigdaddydog]

http://www.5atexasfootball.com/ssp/news?news_id=115

I wanted to open this up for discussion.

Given your statement below:

"...In fairness, that’s a game several 5A teams would struggle with but the defeat can’t be ignored..."

I am curious, other than the obvious that any team can lose a week 0 game, from your persective what do you think needs to be taken into account from Allen's week 0 Loss to Longview? What is it about this defeat that can't be ignored?

Thanks,


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[KatyTigerDad0407]

We will see if the Hurricanes are the real deal this week. I hope so. Region 3 D1 needs to be ready. I don't care who goes R3D1, but I do want them hitting all all cylinders by the regional.

It's been too long and we were so close last year.

[KT2000]

Given your statement below:

"...In fairness, that’s a game several 5A teams would struggle with but the defeat can’t be ignored..."

I am curious, other than the obvious that any team can lose a week 0 game, from your persective what do you think needs to be taken into account from Allen's week 0 Loss to Longview? What is it about this defeat that can't be ignored?

Thanks,

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Teams are always exposed to a certain degree in losses, so that's what I'm referring to there. That's also the case for every other team mentioned with a loss.

I'm not totally convinced of Allen as a contender at this point. The defense appears to be playing better lately than it was earlier in the year, but the Eagles did allow 28 apiece to the two toughest opponents on the schedule so far. The offense is a question for me because the RB production is inconsistent. It seems like a different player leads the team in rushing each week. I don't think we'll have a great idea of what Allen's about until the playoffs.

[bigdaddydog]

Point made

Hey, I liked the original word!! :notworthy


enertia > inertia


en·er·tia (ee-nûr'shə)
n. 1.Physics The tendency of a testosterone filled high school football team to overcome the resistance to acceleration; the tendency of a body at rest to get into motion or of a body in straight line motion to accelerate in a given direction at will.

2.Overcoming the Resistance or disinclination to motion, action, or change: the enertia of the Allen Eagles to persevere against all odds.

[Latin, energy, from eners, enert-, enert; see enert.]
en·er'tial adj., en·er'tial·ly adv.


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[twcpfan1]

At this point... well actually since realignment was announced 2 years ago, the only dead stone cold lock to get to the D2 State Final is Katy. As far as who will win both divisions, it's wide open right now. We just don't know who will produce the goods come playoff time.

[KT2000]

At this point... well actually since realignment was announced 2 years ago, the only dead stone cold lock to get to the D2 State Final is Katy. As far as who will win both divisions, it's wide open right now. We just don't know who will produce the goods come playoff time.


If I've learned one thing over the last nine years, it is that there is no such thing as a stone cold lock when it comes to the playoffs. Katy's got plenty of work to do, and R3 D2 is going to be stronger than it was last year. I know that isn't saying much, because that's probably the weakest I've ever seen the region, but it will be improved. Region 3 shakes out as by far the most unbalanced because of the four team format. Region 4 will produce a better team than people expect.

We'll have to wait and see how these teams are doing after Week 10.

[twcpfan1]

If I've learned one thing over the last nine years, it is that there is no such thing as a stone cold lock when it comes to the playoffs. Katy's got plenty of work to do, and R3 D2 is going to be stronger than it was last year. I know that isn't saying much, because that's probably the weakest I've ever seen the region, but it will be improved. Region 3 shakes out as by far the most unbalanced because of the four team format. Region 4 will produce a better team than people expect.

We'll have to wait and see how these teams are doing after Week 10.

Out of curiosity, which Region 3 or 4 team(s) might shake things up in D2? Is Houston Lamar and Chavez in the mix?

[dada]

Out of curiosity, which Region 3 or 4 team(s) might shake things up in D2? Is Houston Lamar and Chavez in the mix?

Chavez,Elkins,PA Memorial, Atasocita

[twcpfan1]

Chavez,Elkins,PA Memorial, Atasocita

Excellent. Might get to see some great H-Town football in the post season. Hopefully we'll be in the mix in R2 as well.

[dada]

Excellent. Might get to see some great H-Town football in the post season. Hopefully we'll be in the mix in R2 as well.

Don't know what's going on with Lamar, I think they are pretty much a lock for D1....they loss to Westside last week making the Westside/Chavez came more important. Westside could go either division depending on what Bellaire does.

[bigdaddydog]

Teams are always exposed to a certain degree in losses, so that's what I'm referring to there. That's also the case for every other team mentioned with a loss.

I'm not totally convinced of Allen as a contender at this point. The defense appears to be playing better lately than it was earlier in the year, but the Eagles did allow 28 apiece to the two toughest opponents on the schedule so far. The offense is a question for me because the RB production is inconsistent. It seems like a different player leads the team in rushing each week. I don't think we'll have a great idea of what Allen's about until the playoffs.

I accept your reservations about Allen being a contender and what is behind those reservations based on the season so far. I know we have five rushers so far this season and that they average 6.9 yards per carry. Some may see that as a negative, but I choose to see it as good depth.

I personally like the idea that many folks won't know what Allen is about till the playoffs. :ninja:

Back to my original question though, you've restated your original point without filling in any detail. I agree that teams are always exposed to a certain degree in losses.

Since Allen's loss was in week 0 against an explosive team, I am wondering what specifically you or anyone else think was exposed? I think there is a ton of difference between a week 0 loss and a week 4,5, or 6 loss. Agreed?

Cheers,


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[KT2000]

Back to my original question though, you've restated your original point without filling in any detail. I agree that teams are always exposed to a certain degree in losses.

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I noted that Allen's given up 28 points apiece against easily the toughest two opponents on the schedule so far (also 21 to Monty Tech). All of those points were allowed by the Eagle D.

The main concern going into this season was whether or not Allen's defense this year could match last year's unit. That is something I wonder about when it comes to potential match-ups down the road.

[bigdaddydog]

I noted that Allen's given up 28 points apiece against easily the toughest two opponents on the schedule so far (also 21 to Monty Tech). All of those points were allowed by the Eagle D.

The main concern going into this season was whether or not Allen's defense this year could match last year's unit. That is something I wonder about when it comes to potential match-ups down the road.

OK, I guess I was trying to be much more specific regarding the loss and what it revealed. I think it plays a significant role whether the loss was week 0 or week 4,5,6.

I don't think anyone halfway familiar with the Allen Program thought the D would match last years. Based on who they lost after last year and who they had coming back, at least not right away. But then again the Allen "D" this year is being hampered by similar occurrences as the 2007 "D"... ;) I mean it's like going up to Tom Dempsey and saying hey dude, you know half your foot is missing...:D

So even though the D may be a problem deep into the playoffs, I just thought there might have been something more deeperer that was revealed in that week 0 loss. :confused:


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[mad_fan]

Good article at exactly the right point in the year.
Couldn't agree more on Clark and the mess that Madison has created in the 265.
I figured an Mad loss at SV or Reagan (Reagan could still happen). I'd call the top spot in 265 a toss up today. Call it parity if you wish. I just see the lack of a leader in the district.

[KT2000]

Out of curiosity, which Region 3 or 4 team(s) might shake things up in D2? Is Houston Lamar and Chavez in the mix?

I've got my eye on Clark and New Braunfels in the R4D2 field. Both are very good defensively. Clark played Hightower last year in the D1 semis.

[TigerHat]

I think that when all the games are played down to the final four that what you wind up with is a replay of 2003 - Katy and South Lake in the DII game and The Woodlands and North Shore in the DI final.

There are many possible match ups for the final four but I think of all the possible match ups the 2003 repeat is the single most likely one. Of course, it is not the favorite against the entire field of all possible match ups - but it is the one that would surprise me the least if it happened.

By far the worst thing that happened to the Woodlands last year was beating Katy 47-0. They don't have that problem this year, and I think that makes them a real contender.

The following teams would not surprise me in the final 4: Cinco Ranch - they appear to have reloaded after last year's district championship., SA Madison, Skyline, Stony Point. Three out of the final four last year appear to have reloaded. Toss in ET, Cedar Hill and Lufkin and I think we have my list of unsurprising teams.

My dark Horse? Bastrop.

[Point Made...]

I think that when all the games are played down to the final four that what you wind up with is a replay of 2003 - Katy and South Lake in the DII game and The Woodlands and North Shore in the DI final.

There are many possible match ups for the final four but I think of all the possible match ups the 2003 repeat is the single most likely one. Of course, it is not the favorite against the entire field of all possible match ups - but it is the one that would surprise me the least if it happened.

By far the worst thing that happened to the Woodlands last year was beating Katy 47-0. They don't have that problem this year, and I think that makes them a real contender.

The following teams would not surprise me in the final 4: Cinco Ranch - they appear to have reloaded after last year's district championship., SA Madison, Skyline, Stony Point. Three out of the final four last year appear to have reloaded. Toss in ET, Cedar Hill and Lufkin and I think we have my list of unsurprising teams.

My dark Horse? Bastrop.

good pick for a dark horse...right up the highway from us and they have been making some noise.

[cougmantx]

I think that when all the games are played down to the final four that what you wind up with is a replay of 2003 - Katy and South Lake in the DII game and The Woodlands and North Shore in the DI final.

There are many possible match ups for the final four but I think of all the possible match ups the 2003 repeat is the single most likely one. Of course, it is not the favorite against the entire field of all possible match ups - but it is the one that would surprise me the least if it happened.

By far the worst thing that happened to the Woodlands last year was beating Katy 47-0. They don't have that problem this year, and I think that makes them a real contender.

The following teams would not surprise me in the final 4: Cinco Ranch - they appear to have reloaded after last year's district championship., SA Madison, Skyline, Stony Point. Three out of the final four last year appear to have reloaded. Toss in ET, Cedar Hill and Lufkin and I think we have my list of unsurprising teams.

My dark Horse? Bastrop.

I would say that Tyler John Tyler is the team to beat in D2...don't like saying it but I question whether SLC can make it past them. Don't think so. I think it comes down to Katy and TJT in the final with Katy taking it.

I'm still not convinced of Allen. They are playing in the weaker division this year so maybe they have a chance.

[dragonbuck]

I think that when all the games are played down to the final four that what you wind up with is a replay of 2003 - Katy and South Lake in the DII game and The Woodlands and North Shore in the DI final.

There are many possible match ups for the final four but I think of all the possible match ups the 2003 repeat is the single most likely one. Of course, it is not the favorite against the entire field of all possible match ups - but it is the one that would surprise me the least if it happened.

By far the worst thing that happened to the Woodlands last year was beating Katy 47-0. They don't have that problem this year, and I think that makes them a real contender.

The following teams would not surprise me in the final 4: Cinco Ranch - they appear to have reloaded after last year's district championship., SA Madison, Skyline, Stony Point. Three out of the final four last year appear to have reloaded. Toss in ET, Cedar Hill and Lufkin and I think we have my list of unsurprising teams.

My dark Horse? Bastrop.

So SC will have to get past cedar hill, TJT, Lufkin, Abilene, etc to get to the finals. What does katy's road look like?

[cougmantx]

So SC will have to get past cedar hill, TJT, Lufkin, Abilene, etc to get to the finals. What does katy's road look like?

Doesn't matter what Katy has to do...D2 is the division to beat this year and Katy will win it...:-)

[LPack007]

I would say that Tyler John Tyler is the team to beat in D2...don't like saying it but I question whether SLC can make it past them. Don't think so. I think it comes down to Katy and TJT in the final with Katy taking it.

I'm still not convinced of Allen. They are playing in the weaker division this year so maybe they have a chance.

Katy better hope JT lose early.:ninja:

[cougmantx]

Katy better hope JT lose early.:ninja:

Yeah, do you relize how many times we have heard that...just ask AHMO how tha worked out...shut up or put up...

[Dynastybegan86]

Katy better hope JT lose early.:ninja:

Actually, I hope they don't! If they're the best, then I want Katy to play them!!:cool:

[LPack007]

Yeah, do you relize how many times we have heard that...just ask AHMO how tha worked out...shut up or put up...

You're talking about two different teams.

[cougmantx]

You're talking about two different teams.

Dude, have you been following 5a Texas football in the last 10, 15 years? So what do you think we are suppose to do...quiver in our shoes...get real. TJT will make it or they won't...we play who is in front of us.

What I am saying is that you are running your mouth like AHMO did last year. Put up or shut up...what you or I think makes no difference!