Flower Mound Marcus vs Southlake predictions

[ScottS]

Flower Mound Marcus will come into Dragon Stadium with fire in their belly. They will want to avenge last years loss. They are led by their Michigan bound RB Hopkins. Post your predictions here.

[Grapeguy]

Hopkins - less than 312 yards!!

[SLC]

Early thoughts....


Carroll with a great balance on offense, will be able to pass the ball well this week.


Also, this week will be all about text book tackles...make them and we stand a damn good chance of stopping the Marcus run game, dont and watch out.


More to come.

[Grapeguy]

Early thoughts....


Also, this week will be all about text book tackles...make them and we stand a damn good chance of stopping the Marcus run game, dont and watch out.




Agreed. FMM has three quality RBs and a very good TE.

[TigerHat]

I am going to say is this: having seen Marcus play in person against us - they are for real. Good coaching, good players, good football team.

[slcdragonfan]

I am going to say is this: having seen Marcus play in person against us - they are for real. Good coaching, good players, good football team.

I saw them as well. My comment is this: if the team and calls that played Katy is the same one that plays the Dragons, we win easily. Their secondary had issues, and Katy was able to sweep around the ends with relative ease. The passing game for Marcus was also average.

BUT......

I believe that was just a pre season tryout for Marcus. With them running the spread as much as they did and not pounding it with Hopkins and other things, I think they were just seeing what worked and getting ready for District.

With District now in play, they gave an opening salvo last night. I would love to hear a detailed review of that game, was it a 3 back offense, Was it the Stephen Hopkins show, did the passing get on track, did the secondary step up, etc. So this Marcus team is still unknown to me. I will say, for a team that was just 'testing' against Katy, for them to come back like they did in that game said one of two things about that game. We will know more of what it said in 6 days.

Looking forward to our Marcus brethren visiting our Den this Friday. This game has concerned me since last year.

[SLC13]

I saw them as well. My comment is this: if the team and calls that played Katy is the same one that plays the Dragons, we win easily. Their secondary had issues, and Katy was able to sweep around the ends with relative ease. The passing game for Marcus was also average.

BUT......

I believe that was just a pre season tryout for Marcus. With them running the spread as much as they did and not pounding it with Hopkins and other things, I think they were just seeing what worked and getting ready for District.

With District now in play, they gave an opening salvo last night. I would love to hear a detailed review of that game, was it a 3 back offense, Was it the Stephen Hopkins show, did the passing get on track, did the secondary step up, etc. So this Marcus team is still unknown to me. I will say, for a team that was just 'testing' against Katy, for them to come back like they did in that game said one of two things about that game. We will know more of what it said in 6 days.

Looking forward to our Marcus brethren visiting our Den this Friday. This game has concerned me since last year.

In the boxscore from last night Marcus had 328 yds rushing and 70 passing. Their three top rushers were:

Hopkins, Stephen 10-110
Mason, Rufus 9-69
Newsome, Dagan 14-46

One of the Marcus fans will have to answer the rest of your questions.........

[marcusdrillmom]

It seems like our backs ran more then 328 yards, but we started the first few series around the 50 yard line.
While the passing game has gotten better, I hope it improves even more or we could be in for a long night in Southlake.

I will say the secondary looked much improved last night from the Katy game.

Marcus went in on fire last night, hope that keeps going for next week, but we are very aware of the strength of SLC.

Looking forward to seeing Dragon Stadium, it will be my first time there.

[JagFan]

I think the SLC passing game will be to much for Marcus. It will be a tough game and I would not be shocked if Marcus won, however it is at Dragon stadium and they only real critique of Marcus I have heard is their secondary.

[Marcus Fan]

Marcus kept stopping Lewisville and would get the ball at the 50 on just about every drive. The holes for Hopkins 4 TD runs were huge but he also showed some real punishing runs where they couldn't bring him down. He didn't play very much in the second half. While Marcus doesn't pass much they seem much more effective this year than last.
Mason and Newsome continue to provide a change of pace for the offense.
The defensive line and linebackers had a great game against Lewisville stopping their running game. Lewisville had 99 yard rushing and 80 of it was for their touchdown against the third string defense.
Looking for a great game with SLC. Coach Erwin will have them ready!
See everyone on Friday!

[green day]

For starters, would it be safe to assume Marcus has never won a varsity football game against SL? How often have we played thru out the years? It won't affect my predictions, but I'm feeling quite historical this morning.

Our team depth is being tested again this week, with the likelihood of yet another impact player taking some time off. I thought our replacements did exceptional Friday nite, a testament to good coaching and preparation.

And about this axe, what's that all about?

[tt867530]

SLC will no doubt finish on top of the district and could very easily do so undefeated. Marcus may be the only team in this district that can beat them.

Big game against NS, then 2 weeks and Coppell. If Marcus can take a page out of the NS book they may have a chance.

[toonman]

This week’s opponents – Marcus presents a much tougher test for the Dragons and will provide a greater challenge than Coppell did. You just need to look at Marcus’ 5-1 record, with wins against much better quality opposition than Coppell’s.

The Dragons will need to be efficient both sides of the ball and not just on Defense; as it will not be so easy this week for mistakes and miscues to go unpunished.

As the game is being played at home, I give the edge to the Dragons in close game with a score of 31-24; with the proviso that the Dragon Offense cannot be as poor as they have been in the past 2 games.

[yankee]

we all know what happened the last time we faced a team that loved to pound the ball....although i have the feeling that marcus doesn't QUITE have the defense that NS had. i think marcus will be able to put up some points, but i think if they get into a shootout with us, it's ours.

they average about 230 yards a game on the ground, with hopkins being the feature back but it appears they have 2 very capable backups who know how to produce (nearly 500 yds, 6 TD's). only averaging about 95 yards a game thru the air, but their QB seems like he plays within the system. he's completed 65% of his throws with 4 TD passes and no picks. doesn't appear to be a running threat.

i'll go with 42-24

[SLC]

For starters, would it be safe to assume Marcus has never won a varsity football game against SL? How often have we played thru out the years? It won't affect my predictions, but I'm feeling quite historical this morning.

Our team depth is being tested again this week, with the likelihood of yet another impact player taking some time off. I thought our replacements did exceptional Friday nite, a testament to good coaching and preparation.

And about this axe, what's that all about?

We have played 3 times, all in the 2000's..Carroll has won all 3 games.


I too love our depth, though it sucks we have to test it with injuries. I think we're going to be fine and this team will be better off come playoff time due to alot off players getting time on the field.


The Axe thing, I believe is a knock off of the Sherman/Denison Battle of the Axe game. What it does is allow the teams and fans to focus on winning something besides just the game itself, it's a source of pride to be able to have the Axe in your trophy case for a year. And the Axe represents sportsmanship, courage, pride and teamwork.

[SLC13]

For starters, would it be safe to assume Marcus has never won a varsity football game against SL? How often have we played thru out the years? It won't affect my predictions, but I'm feeling quite historical this morning.

Our team depth is being tested again this week, with the likelihood of yet another impact player taking some time off. I thought our replacements did exceptional Friday nite, a testament to good coaching and preparation.

And about this axe, what's that all about?

"The Battle of the Axe" sounds much better than "The Battle of the Plow"......:D

[Marcus Fan]

Hopkins - less than 312 yards!!

My sense is while Hopkins yards are down, so are his carries as Marcus has taken the load off him in non district to be more effective deeper into district play. They really haven't lost much with Mason in the game as he is averaging 7 yards per carry. All of Mason's 44 carries would have been Hopkins last yr.

[Dragoneer]

I sure do hope that the Dragons do not underestimate Flower Mound Marcus. Marcus only lost to Katy:mad:!! Who is a very good team as much as I hate to admit it.


49-24

I can't wait to see them charge onto the field trying to look like Ohio State. HAHA:p

[longball]

For starters, would it be safe to assume Marcus has never won a varsity football game against SL? How often have we played thru out the years? It won't affect my predictions, but I'm feeling quite historical this morning.

Our team depth is being tested again this week, with the likelihood of yet another impact player taking some time off. I thought our replacements did exceptional Friday nite, a testament to good coaching and preparation.

And about this axe, what's that all about?
Marcus will give u a game, SCORE FIRST, control the clock, limit SL

[longball]

For starters, would it be safe to assume Marcus has never won a varsity football game against SL? How often have we played thru out the years? It won't affect my predictions, but I'm feeling quite historical this morning.

Our team depth is being tested again this week, with the likelihood of yet another impact player taking some time off. I thought our replacements did exceptional Friday nite, a testament to good coaching and preparation.

And about this axe, what's that all about?
ALWAYS A FIRST, Game plan for Marcus smash mouth, score first then try to keep SL offense off the field , smash mouth ,with 10 minutes drives , QB can pass so be ready prediction Marcus 21 SL 20!!!!

[SLC]

ALWAYS A FIRST, Game plan for Marcus smash mouth, score first then try to keep SL offense off the field , smash mouth ,with 10 minutes drives , QB can pass so be ready prediction Marcus 21 SL 20!!!!


So, you have no concern what so ever about the weakness of the Marauder secondary vs the Carroll passing game?


Or what the Carroll running game will get against a defense that allowed 127 yds rushing to Grapevine, 305 yds rushing to Katy, 169 yds rushing to Tyler Lee and 132 yds rushing to Lewisville?

[slcdragonfan]

ALWAYS A FIRST, Game plan for Marcus smash mouth, score first then try to keep SL offense off the field , smash mouth ,with 10 minutes drives , QB can pass so be ready prediction Marcus 21 SL 20!!!!

It was big break-aways for Marcus last year that got him the yards if I remember correctly. I think we have that fixed this year, we will see. NS had two D1 O-Line fellas I am pretty sure, and we did ok with their rush against two excellent backs (not as well as we would have liked). I know Stephen Hopkins is a load, a fun back to watch, and he has some very fine fellas to work with him. But I think the issue is here, how will the SLC offense perform? If they are on track (and there is no reason to date to believe that Marcus will hold 'em) then we win. But the offense will have to get going again. Outside pursuit and DB coverage play for Marcus will have to step up from what I saw in the Katy game (but maybe it already has).

As far as the QB being able to pass, he struggled in the Katy game. PErsonally, I believe your prediction is way off on the SLC score side. :)

[dragonpants]

This is the game I have been most concerned going into this season because of two people, Coach Erwin and Hopkins who I have saying for over a year is the best back in the State.
Our offense needs to get on track. We have to get some continuity at QB. It is too late in the season to be flip flopping. I understand why the change in starter for the last game but the fact is that neither have performed well passing. That is the final component, which is pretty big considering we are a spread team.
If our passing game is above average we can win handily as defense is not their strong suit.
We showed moments of running our expected version of the spread and then started running again last week. Again I am not sure why, but the coaches know more than I do.
If we throw well we can win big. Hopkins will not have the big runs he did last year. Marcus lost a couple of stud O linemen but have reloaded pretty well. I trust our corners well enough that if we load the box we can somewhat limit their running game, note I said limit, that kid and their coaching are fantastic so he is going to his yards, it is just a question of how many.

[Grapeguy]

It was big break-aways for Marcus last year that got him the yards if I remember correctly.

Correct. He had 5 that went for 50+ yards each. Only averaged 2-3 yds on his other 15 or so carries.

[KT2000]

I think Marcus has a much better offensive line than they did last year. This year's line can get off the ball and move up to that second level. Last year's unit was big but didn't get downfield near as well as this unit.

I couldn't figure out the Marcus game plan when I saw them earlier this year. It looked like they were caught between two lines of thought (power vs. spread). They have three talented skill players in Hopkins, Mason and Newsome. Butler is a known commodity at TE. Boyd gives them more options at QB than what they had a year ago.

If the Marcus coaches saw the North Shore game, I would assume they'll favor a power approach this week. I would not play Hopkins at LB at all this week. He should be a full-time RB. I'd run Hopkins and Mason all day and throw in Newsome for a change of pace.

Carroll's offense can move the ball at will against the Marcus D as long as the QB and WRs get off the bus. I don't think Marcus is as good defensively as they were last year.

I'll say Carroll 45-28.

[slcdragonfan]

Correct. He had 5 that went for 50+ yards each. Only averaged 2-3 yds on his other 15 or so carries.

Thanks for that Grapeguy...Thus, 9 minute drives didn't kill us last year, and won't this year I don't believe.

As far as Erwin, I could see him break out the wishbone for this game, having kept it under wraps just for us. :eek:
Marcus did come close with Katy, came back from way down. They are a team you must put a stake in their heart to beat them, they never stop. :notworthy

[15Adragon]

This should be a great game. I think this will be a better test that gives us another look at a power rushing attack and a well coached team. The Dragons should prevail, but they will be tested. More later...

[Marcus Fan]

I would not play Hopkins at LB at all this week. He should be a full-time RB.
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Stephen has played less than 10 plays all year at linebacker. Don't see him spending much time there this week..He will be too busy trying to catch his breath from long runs on offense..LOL.
All joking aside if the SLC passing game is clicking Marcus better get the ball and hold it or it will be a long night for those DB's.

[KT2000]

Stephen has played less than 10 plays all year at linebacker. Don't see him spending much time there this week..He will be too busy trying to catch his breath from long runs on offense..LOL.
All joking aside if the SLC passing game is clicking Marcus better get the ball and hold it or it will be a long night for those DB's.

They rotated him at LB the entire game against Katy.

[Marcus Fan]

That was pretty much it for the season at LB for him..Guess you saw him in more than I did at the Katy game..

[Grapeguy]

I'll be looking particularly at the performances of two key Dragon players vs. their play last year.

Piland had his best game of the year in relief of KP who was injured in late in the 1st Qtr if memory serves me correctly. It was one of the finest performances I've seen from any Dragon in the 5A days, including a very gutty second effort for a 1st down late in the game. If he can come anywhere close to duplicating those results, the Dragons will score a bunch.

Foster also was injured during last year's game. Hopefully, he'll be there for 48 minutes this year and help snuff out of the big play potential of their talented three RBs.

[Fleeman93]

I think Marcus has a much better offensive line than they did last year. This year's line can get off the ball and move up to that second level. Last year's unit was big but didn't get down field near as well as this unit.

I couldn't figure out the Marcus game plan when I saw them earlier this year. It looked like they were caught between two lines of thought (power vs. spread). They have three talented skill players in Hopkins, Mason and Newsome. Butler is a known commodity at TE. Boyd gives them more options at QB than what they had a year ago.

If the Marcus coaches saw the North Shore game, I would assume they'll favor a power approach this week. I would not play Hopkins at LB at all this week. He should be a full-time RB. I'd run Hopkins and Mason all day and throw in Newsome for a change of pace.

Carroll's offense can move the ball at will against the Marcus D as long as the QB and WRs get off the bus. I don't think Marcus is as good defensively as they were last year.

I'll say Carroll 45-28.

I agree with this 100%. It seemed like they were trying 5 different game plans to see which one worked the best against Katy. One thing that I know was working, which they didn't stick with, was Hopkins straight up the gut for 5+ every play. I think that if Marcus pounds Hopkins up the middle all game then their running game can prove to be just as effective as North Shore's who rushed for 309 against SLC. The one big difference between Marcus and North Shore is that Marcus will be able to mix in some short to mid range passes much more effectively than North Shore did. I don't see Marcus going deep but I don't think they will need to if the running game is clicking.

On defense everyone seems to want to knock the Marcus secondary. I don't think the Marcus secondary did all that bad of a job considering Marcus pretty much stacked the box all day and asked the corners to cover man on man. If Marcus can do an effective job of keeping the Carroll wide outs in front of them and not giving up the big play deep ball then I think they can do even to give their offense a chance to win the game.

Early Prediction:
SLC 31 - Marcus 23

[Dragoneer]

I can't wait for SLC to give the ball to Touchdown Tommy so he can do all the work, then Piland not pitch the ball on an option close to the endzone!! Anyone else ever notice that?

[dragonpants]

I agree with this 100%. It seemed like they were trying 5 different game plans to see which one worked the best against Katy. One thing that I know was working, which they didn't stick with, was Hopkins straight up the gut for 5+ every play. I think that if Marcus pounds Hopkins up the middle all game then their running game can prove to be just as effective as North Shore's who rushed for 309 against SLC. The one big difference between Marcus and North Shore is that Marcus will be able to mix in some short to mid range passes much more effectively than North Shore did. I don't see Marcus going deep but I don't think they will need to if the running game is clicking.

On defense everyone seems to want to knock the Marcus secondary. I don't think the Marcus secondary did all that bad of a job considering Marcus pretty much stacked the box all day and asked the corners to cover man on man. If Marcus can do an effective job of keeping the Carroll wide outs in front of them and not giving up the big play deep ball then I think they can do even to give their offense a chance to win the game.

Early Prediction:
SLC 31 - Marcus 23


I do not think anyone is knocking the Marcus D as a unit as badly as it is coming across. I think that this week it is just a match up issue as they are going to have no choice but play man as Carroll is going to put 4 and 5 receivers out there on every play so if your safeties are going to come over the top to double you still have 2-3 that you are going to have to cover man to man.

[33Blood]

If Marcus can chew up the clock with very long drives that end in scores it could be interesting. But if they don't keep the SLC offense off the field I just don't think they have the D to keep them out of the endzone enough to win. Their best defense will be running the ball and time of possession.

[SLC]

I'll be looking particularly at the performances of two key Dragon players vs. their play last year.

Piland had his best game of the year in relief of KP who was injured in late in the 1st Qtr if memory serves me correctly. It was one of the finest performances I've seen from any Dragon in the 5A days, including a very gutty second effort for a 1st down late in the game. If he can come anywhere close to duplicating those results, the Dragons will score a bunch.

Foster also was injured during last year's game. Hopefully, he'll be there for 48 minutes this year and help snuff out of the big play potential of their talented three RBs.



While he played well, I'll assume you haven't seen many Dragon performances in the 5A era.:)

[SLC]

I do not think anyone is knocking the Marcus D as a unit as badly as it is coming across. I think that this week it is just a match up issue as they are going to have no choice but play man as Carroll is going to put 4 and 5 receivers out there on every play so if your safeties are going to come over the top to double you still have 2-3 that you are going to have to cover man to man.



Farmer has seen Marcus twice this season and he confirms that their secondary is not good at all. Maybe their perceived success against Katy was do to the Katy receivers not being as good as some of the other receivers he seen against the Marcus defense.

We'll find out and then be able to compare, thats for sure.

[slcdragonfan]

I can't wait for SLC to give the ball to Touchdown Tommy so he can do all the work, then Piland not pitch the ball on an option close to the endzone!! Anyone else ever notice that?

maybe there is a reason not to pitch on an option close to the endzone? On the other hand, if that is the tendency, it will be spotted and coached against, so even calling it is a mistake? That is a coaching call IMHO, if Piland ALWAYS does X when Y play is called @ the EZ, then DON'T call Y play @ the EZ cause the pitch option will not be played, only Piland will be played.

See, this is easy....;):D

[KT2000]

Farmer has seen Marcus twice this season and he confirms that their secondary is not good at all. Maybe their perceived success against Katy was do to the Katy receivers not being as good as some of the other receivers he seen against the Marcus defense.

We'll find out and then be able to compare, thats for sure.

Katy had its break out passing game against Marcus. Katy completed mid-level sideline routes and Marcus' DBs weren't anywhere near the receivers most of the time. It was one of the few times that Katy's passing opened up its running. It normally works the other way around.

The mistake Katy made after going in up 21-3 at halftime was kicking deep to start the third quarter. Marcus got a big return out of Mason and they held the momentum until the 4th quarter. Marcus also hit Katy with one of the gadget passes they'd used successfully last year.

They aren't going to go away, so Carroll would do well to put them away if they get the chance. That was Katy's mistake in a game they should have won much more comfortably.

[dragonpants]

maybe there is a reason not to pitch on an option close to the endzone? On the other hand, if that is the tendency, it will be spotted and coached against, so even calling it is a mistake? That is a coaching call IMHO, if Piland ALWAYS does X when Y play is called @ the EZ, then DON'T call Y play @ the EZ cause the pitch option will not be played, only Piland will be played.

See, this is easy....;):D

We could always run a passing play, that would be fun, I like those, they are fun to watch. ;)

[SLCbacker]

While he played well, I'll assume you haven't seen many Dragon performances in the 5A era.:)

That's what I was thinking SLC. :D

[slcdragonfan]

We could always run a passing play, that would be fun, I like those, they are fun to watch. ;)

Sure, but we have been missing that fade corner route more often than not it seems. That is a safe play, and needs to be a money play for SLC. I like the percentages there, minimize the TO opportunity. a quick slant in is also great if the receiver can break free for just a second, timing of course is critical. All these of course used in lieu of the pitch.

Or, lets go double back, veer/bone one time. Might freak some people out! :D

For Marcus, Katy was able to get outside on them, not sure if that is still there or not?

[SLC]

Katy had its break out passing game against Marcus. Katy completed mid-level sideline routes and Marcus' DBs weren't anywhere near the receivers most of the time. It was one of the few times that Katy's passing opened up its running. It normally works the other way around.
The mistake Katy made after going in up 21-3 at halftime was kicking deep to start the third quarter. Marcus got a big return out of Mason and they held the momentum until the 4th quarter. Marcus also hit Katy with one of the gadget passes they'd used successfully last year.

They aren't going to go away, so Carroll would do well to put them away if they get the chance. That was Katy's mistake in a game they should have won much more comfortably.


Thats kind of what I thought, based on what Farmer had told me occured in that game, so it's likely some folks (not you) seen something that wasn't really there.

[toonman]

So, you have no concern what so ever about the weakness of the Marauder secondary vs the Carroll passing game?



I am not so sure about that Carroll passing game; which has gone awol in the past 2 games. Let's hope it makes a reappearance this Friday.

[SLC]

We could always run a passing play, that would be fun, I like those, they are fun to watch. ;)


Or, we could always run the ball with a RB down there, or just a straight ahead QB run.;)

[KT2000]

Thats kind of what I thought, based on what Farmer had told me occured in that game, so it's likely some folks (not you) seen something that wasn't really there.

I respect Marcus as a program, but the Tigers could have broken a few program records had they really wanted to force the issue in the passing game.

[SLC]

I am not so sure about that Carroll passing game; which has gone awol in the past 2 games. Let's hope it makes a reappearance this Friday.


Win by any means, be it run or pass or defense, is what the pioneer of our spread attack once said.

[toonman]

.....Our offense needs to get on track. We have to get some continuity at QB. It is too late in the season to be flip flopping..... but the fact is that neither have performed well passing. That is the final component, which is pretty big considering we are a spread team.
If our passing game is above average we can win handily as defense is not their strong suit.


100% accurate! The passing game has most definitely stalled in the past two games (North Shore and Coppell). This is a concern because the last 2 games are representative of the standard of opponents the Dragons will now face in the remaining District Games (Lewisville excepted) and not the pre-district teams the Dragon were able to slaughter through the air.

[dragonpants]

Or, we could always run the ball with a RB down there, or just a straight ahead QB run.;)

Come on now I am in a very good mood today, let's not ruin that. I have no one to pick on this week. I have too much respect for Marcus, might have to hang out in the Colleyville threads the next few weeks, there is always Keller or wait for it ......................

KATY SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ktCarl]

I saw them as well. My comment is this: if the team and calls that played Katy is the same one that plays the Dragons, we win easily. Their secondary had issues, and Katy was able to sweep around the ends with relative ease. The passing game for Marcus was also average.

BUT......

I believe that was just a pre season tryout for Marcus. With them running the spread as much as they did and not pounding it with Hopkins and other things, I think they were just seeing what worked and getting ready for District.

With District now in play, they gave an opening salvo last night. I would love to hear a detailed review of that game, was it a 3 back offense, Was it the Stephen Hopkins show, did the passing get on track, did the secondary step up, etc. So this Marcus team is still unknown to me. I will say, for a team that was just 'testing' against Katy, for them to come back like they did in that game said one of two things about that game. We will know more of what it said in 6 days.

Looking forward to our Marcus brethren visiting our Den this Friday. This game has concerned me since last year.

Agree. FMM used their beast of a RB at 4-5yds a pop and when faced with 3rd and short pulled the Dude out of the offense for a spread formation??? :confused: Don't know what their game plan will be against the Dragons but I would run 'The Beast' until he gets stopped.

[SLC]

100% accurate! The passing game has most definitely stalled in the past two games (North Shore and Coppell). This is a concern because the last 2 games are representative of the standard of opponents the Dragons will now face in the remaining District Games (Lewisville excepted) and not the pre-district teams the Dragon were able to slaughter through the air.


I dont think we'll see anyone left on our regular season schedule that is the same quality as the last two opponents were/are.

[SLCbacker]

Come on now I am in a very good mood today, let's not ruin that. I have no one to pick on this week. I have too much respect for Marcus, might have to hang out in the Colleyville threads the next few weeks, there is always Keller or wait for it ......................

KATY SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That will get 'em going Pants. :D

[ktCarl]

That will get 'em going Pants. :D

That will get us going in our PANTS!!! :D

[bigdaddydog]

**********OFF TOPIC ENTERTAINMENT BREAK************

Pardon the interuption, but I just had to share this bit of entertainment with our brothers and sisters to the West. If there was any indication that Plano was having a very off year, This would be it even the fans are dazed and confused.

POSTED IN THE ALLEN vs PLANO THREAD WITH MY RESPONSE... :rolleyes:

SHAME SHAME SHAME !!!!!!!

Hey whats the deal with the "sold out" game against Coppell??? Drove from Plano to watch got a big surprize on arrival. From where I was watching the game ( through the fence between the vision blocker strips ) it looked like there was still seating left inside ?????? Will the Marcus game be "sold Out" and if so how do I get a ticket before hand???

The fact that you are asking this question on the Allen vs Plano thread is my first indication as to how to answer your first question.

Pre game was sold out and the only tickets were the few leftovers that they held back. Those went on sale at 6pm game day at the stadium.

We were going to go to the game also, but we called ahead and decided not to bother.

The game was a dud anyway. :p Apparently there is no "O" in Cppell! :D

Please repost on the Southlake thread... :rolleyes:


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FMM 21

Carroll 38


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[toonman]

We could always run a passing play, that would be fun, I like those, they are fun to watch. ;)

I may be seeing the past through green tinted eyewear, but I am sure Dragon WRs of previous years did not drop or fail to haul in as many passes as this year’s WRs are doing.

[slcdragonfan]

I may be seeing the past through green tinted eyewear, but I am sure Dragon WRs of previous years did not drop or fail to haul in as many passes as this year’s WRs are doing.

Depends upon which games you watched. There is no doubt that the passing game has dropped a notch the past two games. Is that because of competition, QB issues, receiver issues, injuries, other? I think it is a planetary alignment thing, meaning is is a confluence of factors including illness, injuries, competition, errors, etc.

Getting that on track this week needs to be a number one focus and I believe it will be. This is all confirming your points earlier. I really believe our passing game gets healthy fast against Marcus.

[BigRing5311]

I may be seeing the past through green tinted eyewear, but I am sure Dragon WRs of previous years did not drop or fail to haul in as many passes as this year’s WRs are doing.

I knew you had a pair of those somewhere...;)

[toonman]

LOL. That brought a smile to my face.:)

[dragonpants]

I may be seeing the past through green tinted eyewear, but I am sure Dragon WRs of previous years did not drop or fail to haul in as many passes as this year’s WRs are doing.

Ok Toon, here is my take on the situation and it may come across more stern than intended.
You do realize we won on Friday right? We beat a good team and here is how I look at it. The past couple of games our passing has been off but we saw earlier in the season both of these guys can run our offense effectively. I think part of the issue is that timing is off because they are splitting time in practice and in some instances games. Makes it difficult for the receivers.
We jacked up the Coppell people last week for living in the past, regarding last year and how that has no bearing on this year but sometimes WE are all guilty of the same thing. We look back on the Dodge years. He is not our coach anymore, I wish he was but he is not, that I am taking nothing away from Hal. TD was a unique guy and there are few if any like him.
I prefer to look at it in this manner, imagine how good this team is going to be when our passing game is clicking, scary.
I love and encourage your passion but sometimes just because there is a silver lining, does not mean there is a cloud there also.

[Grapeguy]

While he played well, I'll assume you haven't seen many Dragon performances in the 5A era.:)

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I believe the KTs gave DP the Region 1 POW award that week.

BTW, been watching Dragon football since 3a and attended all but one or two games a year since the move to 5A.

[toonman]

Ok Toon, here is my take on the situation and it may come across more stern than intended.
You do realize we won on Friday right? We beat a good team and here is how I look at it. The past couple of games our passing has been off but we saw earlier in the season both of these guys can run our offense effectively. I think part of the issue is that timing is off because they are splitting time in practice and in some instances games. Makes it difficult for the receivers.
We jacked up the Coppell people last week for living in the past, regarding last year and how that has no bearing on this year but sometimes WE are all guilty of the same thing. We look back on the Dodge years. He is not our coach anymore, I wish he was but he is not, that I am taking nothing away from Hal. TD was a unique guy and there are few if any like him.
I prefer to look at it in this manner, imagine how good this team is going to be when our passing game is clicking, scary.
I love and encourage your passion but sometimes just because there is a silver lining, does not mean there is a cloud there also.

I have no doubt that when the Offense clicks, just as they did against Arlington; the Dragons will be a very hard team to beat and will win a lot of games to come in this season.

[Dragon Man]

This is the game I have been most concerned going into this season because of two people, Coach Erwin and Hopkins who I have saying for over a year is the best back in the State.
Our offense needs to get on track. We have to get some continuity at QB. It is too late in the season to be flip flopping. I understand why the change in starter for the last game but the fact is that neither have performed well passing. That is the final component, which is pretty big considering we are a spread team.
If our passing game is above average we can win handily as defense is not their strong suit.
We showed moments of running our expected version of the spread and then started running again last week. Again I am not sure why, but the coaches know more than I do.
If we throw well we can win big. Hopkins will not have the big runs he did last year. Marcus lost a couple of stud O linemen but have reloaded pretty well. I trust our corners well enough that if we load the box we can somewhat limit their running game, note I said limit, that kid and their coaching are fantastic so he is going to his yards, it is just a question of how many.

I totally agree. We need to decide who the starting QB is and go with it. The constant switching is not doing us any good. Our verticle game is suffering as a result. Just not the same offense I am use to seeing and we will need all guns blazing when we face a tough Marcus team. We are going to need a strong verticle game as the season moves on. TA can not be expected to carry all the load.

[Dragon Man]

I agree. Where o where is our passing game. We have lost our quick strike capability which always made us so dangerous in the past. Seems the play calling is getting more and more conservative with each game. Lets open it up and get some passses for more than 5 yards.

[Dragon Man]

I am not sure that should make us feel good.

[drgnbkr]

I am not sure that should make us feel good.

What?

[slcdragonfan]

I agree. Where o where is our passing game. We have lost our quick strike capability which always made us so dangerous in the past. Seems the play calling is getting more and more conservative with each game. Lets open it up and get some passses for more than 5 yards.

to be honest, I have seen passing. I haven't looked at the completion stats the last two weeks, and I know that the NS game had several incomplete due to stopping the clock, but the passing attempts have been there I believe. To me, honestly, it has been an execution issue.

I also believe it is temporary. And to be fair, both teams we played the past two weeks came in with good D numbers.

[Dragon Man]

What?

I was refering to an earlier comment someone made that our passing game has sufered the last two games because we have faced the toughest competion we will face this year.

[jreiner]

OK so I dont go to Dragone stadium AGAIN and not be able to actually get in the stadium to watch the game!!! How do I get tickets for the Marcus game if there is still tickets to this game????? I am in Plano.

[toonman]

OK so I dont go to Dragone stadium AGAIN and not be able to actually get in the stadium to watch the game!!! How do I get tickets for the Marcus game if there is still tickets to this game????? I am in Plano.

I can tell you from the Carroll side of things, as I do not know how Marcus sell their tickets, but you need to go to one of the schools in Southlake selling tickets this Thursday. The Senior High or High school to name 2 such schools that will be selling tickets.

[the_phoenix612]

I was refering to an earlier comment someone made that our passing game has sufered the last two games because we have faced the toughest competion we will face this year.
this is what the quote feature is for.

[SLC]

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I believe the KTs gave DP the Region 1 POW award that week.

BTW, been watching Dragon football since 3a and attended all but one or two games a year since the move to 5A.


Never said David didn't play well...I infact said he did..I just have watched enough Carroll games to know, that while David's performance that day was exceptional, it didn't quite register on the rictor scale the way a great great many have, that's all.

[SLC]

OK so I dont go to Dragone stadium AGAIN and not be able to actually get in the stadium to watch the game!!! How do I get tickets for the Marcus game if there is still tickets to this game????? I am in Plano.


You can get tickets at all the schools starting Wednesday morning...Good luck!

[Grapeguy]

Never said David didn't play well...I infact said he did..I just have watched enough Carroll games to know, that while David's performance that day was exceptional, it didn't quite register on the rictor scale the way a great great many have, that's all.

We agree on that point.

Granted David's numbers weren't as gaudy as some performances (those that immediately come to mind - Wasson vs. SV, Renfro vs. Ryan, Tre' vs. CHHS & Riley vs. FM). However, as the backup varsity QB every other week, his time to play came unexpectedly that night. With very limited experience at that level he performed...uh, exceptionally, in a real pressure cooker situation. Made the plays we needed to win and overcome the adversity of a very tough night for our run defense.

IMO, that's ranks right up there with the aforementioned performances.:)

[dragonbuck]

maybe there is a reason not to pitch on an option close to the endzone? On the other hand, if that is the tendency, it will be spotted and coached against, so even calling it is a mistake? That is a coaching call IMHO, if Piland ALWAYS does X when Y play is called @ the EZ, then DON'T call Y play @ the EZ cause the pitch option will not be played, only Piland will be played.

See, this is easy....;):D

it's called an "option" for a reason; however, DP doesn't seem to know the other option besides running it himself. maybe he will surprise us all and pitch it for a change. He pitches it fine in practice.

[dragonbuck]

Depends upon which games you watched. There is no doubt that the passing game has dropped a notch the past two games. Is that because of competition, QB issues, receiver issues, injuries, other? I think it is a planetary alignment thing, meaning is is a confluence of factors including illness, injuries, competition, errors, etc.

Getting that on track this week needs to be a number one focus and I believe it will be. This is all confirming your points earlier. I really believe our passing game gets healthy fast against Marcus.

We are really missing Brett Renger. He was a go to slot guy like Cantu and Jacobsen. It was nice having him on one side and Landers at the other slot. Pick your poison.

[yankee]

We are really missing Brett Renger. He was a go to slot guy like Cantu and Jacobsen. It was nice having him on one side and Landers at the other slot. Pick your poison.

this. nothing like having a big, physical slot receiver who catches well in traffic.

[SLCbacker]

100% accurate! The passing game has most definitely stalled in the past two games (North Shore and Coppell). This is a concern because the last 2 games are representative of the standard of opponents the Dragons will now face in the remaining District Games (Lewisville excepted) and not the pre-district teams the Dragon were able to slaughter through the air.

Always room for improvement. We will have to get better to make a deep run. I think this group can do just that!

[SLC]

We agree on that point.

Granted David's numbers weren't as gaudy as some performances (those that immediately come to mind - Wasson vs. SV, Renfro vs. Ryan, Tre' vs. CHHS & Riley vs. FM). However, as the backup varsity QB every other week, his time to play came unexpectedly that night. With very limited experience at that level he performed...uh, exceptionally, in a real pressure cooker situation. Made the plays we needed to win and overcome the adversity of a very tough night for our run defense.

IMO, that's ranks right up there with the aforementioned performances.:)


Yes, as we both agree it was a very good performance that evening against the Marauders and under bad circumstances at that...We'll just have to agree to move on about the whole "ranking up there" with some (alot) of unreal performances through the Dragon years, including countless that I have not the time to sit here and write about, besides the ones you have mentioned above.:)

[Marcus Fan]

I hope we can ask the Dragon Defense after Friday night. Is Hopkins numbers larger on the back of his jersey than the front? or was it hard to tell as he was running away? LOL

Seriously, I haven't heard any talk about special teams. Marcus kickoff return team has caused issue with teams trying to figure out what to do. Kick it deep? Pop it up?.. At any rate it has led to good field position. The punting team has done a good job and the kickoff coverage team hasn't given up a big play that I can remember. The Marcus kicker's leg strenth has improved and he is getting a fair number of touch backs. He is also been effective in extra points and field goals.

I know Cade is a college bound kicker which gives the Dragons another asset. What about the rest of the special teams?

[Pinion]

Southlake rolls. wins by more than 35.

[dragonpants]

I hope we can ask the Dragon Defense after Friday night. Is Hopkins numbers larger on the back of his jersey than the front? or was it hard to tell as he was running away? LOL

Seriously, I haven't heard any talk about special teams. Marcus kickoff return team has caused issue with teams trying to figure out what to do. Kick it deep? Pop it up?.. At any rate it has led to good field position. The punting team has done a good job and the kickoff coverage team hasn't given up a big play that I can remember. The Marcus kicker's leg strenth has improved and he is getting a fair number of touch backs. He is also been effective in extra points and field goals.

I know Cade is a college bound kicker which gives the Dragons another asset. What about the rest of the special teams?

Cade is awesome and unless there is a real strong wind, your kick off return team will not get any opportunities to run one back unless they want to try from 5-7 yards deep in the end zone. Our punter and coverage is exceptional also.

[DragonFan0316]

I see lots of talk about our passing game. I watched the Coppell DVD last night and to be honest it didn't look all that bad. I know we are used to deep passes whenever we want them (except Katy 2003) but our philosophy today is take what the defense gives you. Now I know it is macho to say you take what you want and when you have NFL bound talent (don't laugh you will see) you can do that. Our guys are very talented but we play a different style of football today. Balance, protect the ball, bleed the clock and play defense. The Coppell outcome was a perfect example (less the turnovers) of what we can expect. 24 points are not bad when you can keep a high octane offense to one (official assisted) TD. Now Marcus throws tight ends, fullbacks and a power running game at us and we don't see that every week. If we see the vertical passing game return it will be because TA is gashing the defense and the vertical game is what the defense gives us.

Wasson is underrated. I know Brazile and Erwin (Marcu guy. Sorry if name wrong) are good but Hal didn't just fall off a grapefruit truck. Our boys are bought in 100%. He is the man and his philosophy is gold. I know state titles talk but who remembers TD's first few years? I like our chances Friday night and we will win playing Wasson ball.

I know this is long winded but I have been away a couple of days and had to catch up. Good luck this week in practice and my score will come a little later in the week.:)

[SLC]

I hope we can ask the Dragon Defense after Friday night. Is Hopkins numbers larger on the back of his jersey than the front? or was it hard to tell as he was running away? LOL

Seriously, I haven't heard any talk about special teams. Marcus kickoff return team has caused issue with teams trying to figure out what to do. Kick it deep? Pop it up?.. At any rate it has led to good field position. The punting team has done a good job and the kickoff coverage team hasn't given up a big play that I can remember. The Marcus kicker's leg strenth has improved and he is getting a fair number of touch backs. He is also been effective in extra points and field goals.

I know Cade is a college bound kicker which gives the Dragons another asset. What about the rest of the special teams?


I honestly dont see Marcus having a chance to return any kicks this week and we plan on kicking off alot. I dont see our punter getting alot of work, but if he does, then I would not plan on getting much of a chance to return those either.


No worries on our returns, as we typically call fair catch on punt returns and average about 16 yards on kick returns.

[SLC]

I see lots of talk about our passing game. I watched the Coppell DVD last night and to be honest it didn't look all that bad. I know we are used to deep passes whenever we want them (except Katy 2003) but our philosophy today is take what the defense gives you. Now I know it is macho to say you take what you want and when you have NFL bound talent (don't laugh you will see) you can do that. Our guys are very talented but we play a different style of football today. Balance, protect the ball, bleed the clock and play defense. The Coppell outcome was a perfect example (less the turnovers) of what we can expect. 24 points are not bad when you can keep a high octane offense to one (official assisted) TD. Now Marcus throws tight ends, fullbacks and a power running game at us and we don't see that every week. If we see the vertical passing game return it will be because TA is gashing the defense and the vertical game is what the defense gives us.

Wasson is underrated. I know Brazile and Erwin (Marcu guy. Sorry if name wrong) are good but Hal didn't just fall off a grapefruit truck. Our boys are bought in 100%. He is the man and his philosophy is gold. I know state titles talk but who remembers TD's first few years? I like our chances Friday night and we will win playing Wasson ball.

I know this is long winded but I have been away a couple of days and had to catch up. Good luck this week in practice and my score will come a little later in the week.:)



I've seen you make mention of a different style, a different brand of football, take what the defense gives you..etc. in terms of the Wasson led Dragons vs the Dodge led Dragons...and maybe thats because of the results of a typical passing day for the Dragons of old to be around 300 yds or more during most games, but I'm miffed that you keep saying it, as if Dodge didn't run the ball, play defense and attempt to control the clock...I replied to you in the other thread, our fan thread, and tried to explain that all the Dodbe ball stuff was a myth in terms of his style, the result of plays called and plays executed was what has people thinking he was a pass happy coach and that Wasson is not.


The difference I notice most is play call sequencing and the result that follows, nothing more than that.

I'm not trying to attack you or call you out bro...I happen to like you alot, but I think you are slightly caught in the misconception that Todd was all abot passing, passing, passing and Wasson's style is running and clock control and those are the furthest things from the truth. Maybe you could elaborate further...

[DragonFan0316]

I've seen you make mention of a different style, a different brand of football, take what the defense gives you..etc. in terms of the Wasson led Dragons vs the Dodge led Dragons...and maybe thats because of the results of a typical passing day for the Dragons of old to be around 300 yds or more during most games, but I'm miffed that you keep saying it, as if Dodge didn't run the ball, play defense and attempt to control the clock...I replied to you in the other thread, our fan thread, and tried to explain that all the Dodbe ball stuff was a myth in terms of his style, the result of plays called and plays executed was what has people thinking he was a pass happy coach and that Wasson is not.


The difference I notice most is play call sequencing and the result that follows, nothing more than that.

I'm not trying to attack you or call you out bro...I happen to like you alot, but I think you are slightly caught in the misconception that Todd was all abot passing, passing, passing and Wasson's style is running and clock control and those are the furthest things from the truth. Maybe you could elaborate further...

All I can tell you is that I have been around Dragon football since 1997. I have attended almost every game and the couple I missed I have watched the DVD. I also know TD and have had conversations (several) about his style and philosophy. I also have been an observer of Hal Wasson since his previous Carroll experience. I have what I would consider inside knowledge and am a diligent student of the HS game. Beyond that you know I am a fan of opinion. Don't feel you are calling me out but I have given my opinion and until I see different I stick by it.

[SLC]

All I can tell you is that I have been around Dragon football since 1997. I have attended almost every game and the couple I missed I have watched the DVD. I also know TD and have had conversations (several) about his style and philosophy. I also have been an observer of Hal Wasson since his previous Carroll experience. I have what I would consider inside knowledge and am a diligent student of the HS game. Beyond that you know I am a fan of opinion. Don't feel you are calling me out but I have given my opinion and until I see different I stick by it.


I myself have been around Dragon football since 1996, while I tend to miss more games now due to where I live, I have seen well over 180 Dragon games. And almost all of TD's games, and a great majority of Wasson games. I too know TD's philosophy and it isn't what you are making it seem like. Todd WAS NOT a pass happy coach that lived for the big play...the big play was a complete result, but wasn't guaranteed every time they stepped on the field. Todd's defenses in '02, '05 and '06 were the best of the 5A Dragon era, Todd was also a VERY balanced run/pass coach...So again, I'm not sure where you are getting this myth from.

[xnfl]

flower mound marcus will come into dragon stadium with fire in their belly. They will want to avenge last years loss. They are led by their michigan bound rb hopkins. Post your predictions here.


35-14 slc

[Marcus Fan]

I just love it when the Dragon fans bicker with each other rather than the competition.

Who has the greatest performances?
what is good defense?
is the passing game good or not?
does the competion suck or is it the best there ever was?
should you settle on one quarterback or continue to play two when one is hot or cold?
Who knows more because they been a fan longer?

You guys are so engaged its funny!! Great fans!

[SLC]

I just love it when the Dragon fans bicker with each other rather than the competition.

Who has the greatest performances? Riley Dodge, Chase Wasson, Aaron Luna, McKay Jacobson, Tre Newton, Chase Daniel, Greg McElroy, Kenton Gedwed, Kevin Ortega
is the passing game good or not? It's good, just inconsistant right now.
does the competion suck or is it the best there ever was? District comp is much better then it ever has been.
should you settle on one quarterback or continue to play two when one is hot or cold? Go with one and if you MUST, then play the other kid.
Who knows more because they been a fan longer? I do...Kidding, we all know quite a bit, some more than others, but we are all passionate fans.

You guys are so engaged its funny!! Great fans!


We are certainly passionate, thats for sure.:)

[drgnbkr]

I just love it when the Dragon fans bicker with each other rather than the competition.

Who has the greatest performances?
what is good defense?
is the passing game good or not?
does the competion suck or is it the best there ever was?
should you settle on one quarterback or continue to play two when one is hot or cold?
Who knows more because they been a fan longer?

You guys are so engaged its funny!! Great fans!

I know all!:D Just ask me...

[slcdragonfan]

I know all!:D Just ask me...

What is the terminal velocity of an African swallow? :D

[drgnbkr]

What is the terminal velocity of an African swallow? :D

Would that be in a steep dive or normal flight? I do know how many pennies it takes to anger a Dragon!

[dragonpants]

I see lots of talk about our passing game. I watched the Coppell DVD last night and to be honest it didn't look all that bad. I know we are used to deep passes whenever we want them (except Katy 2003) but our philosophy today is take what the defense gives you. Now I know it is macho to say you take what you want and when you have NFL bound talent (don't laugh you will see) you can do that. Our guys are very talented but we play a different style of football today. Balance, protect the ball, bleed the clock and play defense. The Coppell outcome was a perfect example (less the turnovers) of what we can expect. 24 points are not bad when you can keep a high octane offense to one (official assisted) TD. Now Marcus throws tight ends, fullbacks and a power running game at us and we don't see that every week. If we see the vertical passing game return it will be because TA is gashing the defense and the vertical game is what the defense gives us.

Wasson is underrated. I know Brazile and Erwin (Marcu guy. Sorry if name wrong) are good but Hal didn't just fall off a grapefruit truck. Our boys are bought in 100%. He is the man and his philosophy is gold. I know state titles talk but who remembers TD's first few years? I like our chances Friday night and we will win playing Wasson ball.

I know this is long winded but I have been away a couple of days and had to catch up. Good luck this week in practice and my score will come a little later in the week.:)

OK, you are one of my favorite posters but I really need to get a pair of those green glasses you watched the film with.
First of all and I stated last week we need to stop comparing this team to TD's team or Ledbetter or even Rapp for that matter. It is all kind of pointless.
We have 2 excellent QB's and with all due respect to them at this point in their football careers are not a Wasson, Daniel, McElroy or Dodge. Think about 2005, McElroy had 4 DI receivers and Tre Newton in the backfield and who was the 5th receiver? Riley Dodge. Has their ever been a more talented team that runs the spread in Texas High School history. TD is/was a great coach but add that to a beast of an O line and a stifling defense, and a lot less talented coaches could have won with that talent. Todd created much of that, and I am not over looking that. Nor do we have the laundry list of receivers that each of those guys was blessed with. Again nothing against our current receiving corps. These are great players.
I do not think Wasson ball is much different than Dodge ball, if the long ball is open we will use it. We are currently shuffling two QB's with multiple receivers due to injuries and some other issues and it is going to take some time to get the timing down with each group. We are not that far off and we have been firing on all cylinders a few times this season. Look at Arlington. They are not a bad team. They are a good team we made look very bad.
I do not think we have a talent issue at all, we need pick A starting QB and stick with him to create timing and we need to work on play selection. If I had a shot of Vodka every time we ran Piland up the middle my liver would have exploded in the playoffs last year.
If he is going to be the starter than he needs to know it so he can have the confidence knowing that if he throws a bad pass he is not going to get replaced. If Kyle is the guy then he needs the same reassurance. It is getting too late in the season to "experiment" that is what non district is for.

[dragonpants]

Would that be in a steep dive or normal flight? I do know how many pennies it takes to anger a Dragon!

That is friggin funny.

[DragonFan0316]

OK, you are one of my favorite posters but I really need to get a pair of those green glasses you watched the film with.
First of all and I stated last week we need to stop comparing this team to TD's team or Ledbetter or even Rapp for that matter. It is all kind of pointless.
We have 2 excellent QB's and with all due respect to them at this point in their football careers are not a Wasson, Daniel, McElroy or Dodge. Think about 2005, McElroy had 4 DI receivers and Tre Newton in the backfield and who was the 5th receiver? Riley Dodge. Has their ever been a more talented team that runs the spread in Texas High School history. TD is/was a great coach but add that to a beast of an O line and a stifling defense, and a lot less talented coaches could have won with that talent. Todd created much of that, and I am not over looking that. Nor do we have the laundry list of receivers that each of those guys was blessed with. Again nothing against our current receiving corps. These are great players.
I do not think Wasson ball is much different than Dodge ball, if the long ball is open we will use it. We are currently shuffling two QB's with multiple receivers due to injuries and some other issues and it is going to take some time to get the timing down with each group. We are not that far off and we have been firing on all cylinders a few times this season. Look at Arlington. They are not a bad team. They are a good team we made look very bad.
I do not think we have a talent issue at all, we need pick A starting QB and stick with him to create timing and we need to work on play selection. If I had a shot of Vodka every time we ran Piland up the middle my liver would have exploded in the playoffs last year.
If he is going to be the starter than he needs to know it so he can have the confidence knowing that if he throws a bad pass he is not going to get replaced. If Kyle is the guy then he needs the same reassurance. It is getting too late in the season to "experiment" that is what non district is for.

Understood.:)

[DragonFan0316]

I just love it when the Dragon fans bicker with each other rather than the competition.

Who has the greatest performances?
what is good defense?
is the passing game good or not?
does the competion suck or is it the best there ever was?
should you settle on one quarterback or continue to play two when one is hot or cold?
Who knows more because they been a fan longer?

You guys are so engaged its funny!! Great fans!

Ouch! Guilty:o

[DragonFan0316]

I myself have been around Dragon football since 1996, while I tend to miss more games now due to where I live, I have seen well over 180 Dragon games. And almost all of TD's games, and a great majority of Wasson games. I too know TD's philosophy and it isn't what you are making it seem like. Todd WAS NOT a pass happy coach that lived for the big play...the big play was a complete result, but wasn't guaranteed every time they stepped on the field. Todd's defenses in '02, '05 and '06 were the best of the 5A Dragon era, Todd was also a VERY balanced run/pass coach...So again, I'm not sure where you are getting this myth from.

I defer. Now get off of my :Censor:. Kidding. Love you man!

[Ntx]

Southlake 31 Marcus 28 Overtime maybe??? Southlake comes up but wins by 3!!!! Close game!!! Game of the week fa show!!!

[slcdragonfan]

Would that be in a steep dive or normal flight? I do know how many pennies it takes to anger a Dragon!

:notworthy

[DragonFan0316]

Southlake 31 Marcus 28 Overtime maybe??? Southlake comes up but wins by 3!!!! Close game!!! Game of the week fa show!!!

You may be right but I am not sure my heart could handle it.:D

[SLCFan]

nm

[green day]

Heck, let's give it another shake and see what comes up, things you can expect to see Friday nite...

* Fans showing up early get a brief and rare look at the sun...

* Prior to the game, Marcus players exchange a few observations with Dragon captains, including what SL will need to beat Katy this year.

* Band members scramble for alternative music choices when SL Foster's kick-off sails deep, damaging a number of xylophones. Bravely, the band marches on...

* UM scouts renege on scholarship offer to FM blue chipper Hopkins, when they discover he wears colors eerily similar to Ohio State.

* A new SL WR target plays a key role, the line regains control of the trenches and the offense picks up the pace, sending Maurader fans home mad, Dragons 34- 21.

Only a few of these is likely to happen, but I'm too stubborn to discontinue the silliness...

[yankee]

Heck, let's give it another shake and see what comes up, things you can expect to see Friday nite...

* Fans showing up early get a brief and rare look at the sun...

* Prior to the game, Marcus players exchange a few observations with Dragon captains, including what SL will need to beat Katy this year.

* Band members scramble for alternative music choices when SL Foster's kick-off sails deep, damaging a number of xylophones. Bravely, the band marches on...

* UM scouts renege on scholarship offer to FM blue chipper Hopkins, when they discover he wears colors eerily similar to Ohio State.

* A new SL WR target plays a key role, the line regains control of the trenches and the offense picks up the pace, sending Maurader fans home mad, Dragons 34- 21.

Only a few of these is likely to happen, but I'm too stubborn to discontinue the silliness...

keep 'em coming. :notworthy
these posts always crack me up. i don't have the imagination capacity to make up posts like these.

[Marcus Fan]

Other things you may witness:
-Band parents complaining that the first half is taking too long causing halftime to be late.
- Many renditions of the famous Marcus cheer Alright,Alright,Alright whoomp
- Cade's scholarship getting returned when two diffferent Marcus kick returners return kickoffs from 8 yards deep for touchdowns.

-Marcus completely fooling the Dragon defense by coming out in the spread and throwing 50 times.

-Running out of sushi and Merlot in the concession stand

-Marcus warming up n one jersey and coming out to play in a different color jersey

Al least a few of these things have happened this year.

[SLC]

Other things you may witness:
-Band parents complaining that the first half is taking too long causing halftime to be late.


Oooo...If that happens, it spells bad things for Marcus. Awesome.:)

[15Adragon]

Other things you may witness:
-Band parents complaining that the first half is taking too long causing halftime to be late.
- Many renditions of the famous Marcus cheer Alright,Alright,Alright whoomp
- Cade's scholarship getting returned when two diffferent Marcus kick returners return kickoffs from 8 yards deep for touchdowns.

-Marcus completely fooling the Dragon defense by coming out in the spread and throwing 50 times.

-Running out of sushi and Merlot in the concession stand

-Marcus warming up n one jersey and coming out to play in a different color jersey

Al least a few of these things have happened this year.

this. :notworthy

I do highly recommend the barbecue and chicken sandwiches.

[BigRing5311]

Other things you may witness:
-Band parents complaining that the first half is taking too long causing halftime to be late.
- Many renditions of the famous Marcus cheer Alright,Alright,Alright whoomp
- Cade's scholarship getting returned when two diffferent Marcus kick returners return kickoffs from 8 yards deep for touchdowns. Vegas line on this is 1000:1

-Marcus completely fooling the Dragon defense by coming out in the spread and throwing 50 times. Please dear God let this be true

-Running out of sushi and Merlot in the concession stand

-Marcus warming up n one jersey and coming out to play in a different color jersey By halftime the Red & Silver will have turned to Green and White...fify

Al least a few of these things have happened this year.

^^^^;)

[dragonbuck]

Heck, let's give it another shake and see what comes up, things you can expect to see Friday nite...


* UM scouts renege on scholarship offer to FM blue chipper Hopkins, when they discover he wears colors eerily similar to Ohio State.* A new SL WR target plays a key role, the line regains control of the trenches and the offense picks up the pace, sending Maurader fans home mad, Dragons 34- 21.

Only a few of these is likely to happen, but I'm too stubborn to discontinue the silliness...

You heard it direct from GreenDay. Hopkins is a Buckeye. Go Bucks:D

[DragonFan0316]

Other things you may witness:
-Band parents complaining that the first half is taking too long causing halftime to be late.
- Many renditions of the famous Marcus cheer Alright,Alright,Alright whoomp
- Cade's scholarship getting returned when two diffferent Marcus kick returners return kickoffs from 8 yards deep for touchdowns.

-Marcus completely fooling the Dragon defense by coming out in the spread and throwing 50 times.

-Running out of sushi and Merlot in the concession stand

-Marcus warming up n one jersey and coming out to play in a different color jersey

Al least a few of these things have happened this year.

Good stuff!:notworthy:D

[DragonFan0316]

Heck, let's give it another shake and see what comes up, things you can expect to see Friday nite...

* Fans showing up early get a brief and rare look at the sun...

* Prior to the game, Marcus players exchange a few observations with Dragon captains, including what SL will need to beat Katy this year.

* Band members scramble for alternative music choices when SL Foster's kick-off sails deep, damaging a number of xylophones. Bravely, the band marches on...

* UM scouts renege on scholarship offer to FM blue chipper Hopkins, when they discover he wears colors eerily similar to Ohio State.

* A new SL WR target plays a key role, the line regains control of the trenches and the offense picks up the pace, sending Maurader fans home mad, Dragons 34- 21.

Only a few of these is likely to happen, but I'm too stubborn to discontinue the silliness...

The only one I will challenge is the glimpse of the sun.;):D

[slcdragonfan]

Other things you may witness:
-Band parents complaining that the first half is taking too long causing halftime to be late.
- Many renditions of the famous Marcus cheer Alright,Alright,Alright whoomp
- Cade's scholarship getting returned when two diffferent Marcus kick returners return kickoffs from 8 yards deep for touchdowns.

-Marcus completely fooling the Dragon defense by coming out in the spread and throwing 50 times.

-Running out of sushi and Merlot in the concession stand

-Marcus warming up n one jersey and coming out to play in a different color jersey

Al least a few of these things have happened this year.

Lord, please let this happen.

signed,

Coach Wasson


***edit: oh, I see BigRing beat me to this one. Great minds....***

[HomeofChampions'06]

Carroll wins the game by 3 scores.

SLC 38

FM Marcus 20

[CoppellCowboy57]

Heck, let's give it another shake and see what comes up, things you can expect to see Friday nite...

* Fans showing up early get a brief and rare look at the sun...

* Prior to the game, Marcus players exchange a few observations with Dragon captains, including what SL will need to beat Katy this year.

* Band members scramble for alternative music choices when SL Foster's kick-off sails deep, damaging a number of xylophones. Bravely, the band marches on...

* UM scouts renege on scholarship offer to FM blue chipper Hopkins, when they discover he wears colors eerily similar to Ohio State.
* A new SL WR target plays a key role, the line regains control of the trenches and the offense picks up the pace, sending Maurader fans home mad, Dragons 34- 21.

Only a few of these is likely to happen, but I'm too stubborn to discontinue the silliness...

HAHAHA I always wanna yell go BUCKs when I see Marcus play

[CoppellCowboy57]

Other things you may witness:
-Band parents complaining that the first half is taking too long causing halftime to be late.
- Many renditions of the famous Marcus cheer Alright,Alright,Alright whoomp
- Cade's scholarship getting returned when two diffferent Marcus kick returners return kickoffs from 8 yards deep for touchdowns.

-Marcus completely fooling the Dragon defense by coming out in the spread and throwing 50 times.

-Running out of sushi and Merlot in the concession stand

-Marcus warming up n one jersey and coming out to play in a different color jersey

Al least a few of these things have happened this year.

If you can get to the concession stand...geeze I'm still butt hurt about the long lines at Dragon Stadium...

[DrEdward]

What is the terminal velocity of an African swallow? :D

Zero; the little sucker is terminated after all. :rolleyes:

[jnwash]

FMM will win this one over SLC in a close game. :ninja:

[dragonpants]

Other things you may witness:
-Band parents complaining that the first half is taking too long causing halftime to be late.
- Many renditions of the famous Marcus cheer Alright,Alright,Alright whoomp
- Cade's scholarship getting returned when two diffferent Marcus kick returners return kickoffs from 8 yards deep for touchdowns.

-Marcus completely fooling the Dragon defense by coming out in the spread and throwing 50 times.

-Running out of sushi and Merlot in the concession stand

-Marcus warming up n one jersey and coming out to play in a different color jersey

Al least a few of these things have happened this year.


Throwing 50 times is not going to be the way to beat Carroll. No one has had success doing it yet. No offense, Coppell tried and Arlington and your QB is not as good as Hawk or Joekel. Your best bet is to try and pound it out. If you want to throw 50 times and have a track meet and a high scoring game that is a recipe for disaster as Carroll can score rapidly so if it is a battle of the spreads, the score will be large but very very very very lopsided.

[Marcus Fan]

Throwing 50 times is not going to be the way to beat Carroll. No one has had success doing it yet. No offense, Coppell tried and Arlington and your QB is not as good as Hawk or Joekel. Your best bet is to try and pound it out. If you want to throw 50 times and have a track meet and a high scoring game that is a recipe for disaster as Carroll can score rapidly so if it is a battle of the spreads, the score will be large but very very very very lopsided.

Come on Pants, You are much to serious about this. Marcus has thrown the ball less then 70 times in 5 games..Can you tell many of my comments were meant as a joke?

[toonman]

FMM will win this one over SLC in a close game. :ninja:

What is the reasoning behind this comment.

[toonman]

I just love it when the Dragon fans bicker with each other rather than the competition.

It is called having a meaningful debate.

[dragonpants]

Come on Pants, You are much to serious about this. Marcus has thrown the ball less then 70 times in 5 games..Can you tell many of my comments were meant as a joke?

I have not read that many of your post so I apologize. One thing I do know is that Erwin is a great coach so nothing would surprise me. I am sure he knows the spread as well as anyone.
Your coach scares the crap out of me because he is that good.
I have tremendous respect for Marcus and not just because Mrs. Pants is a Marcus grad, she is full Dragon now, sorry.

[ALLENFANDINGO5]

This will be a different test for the SLC than last week. Coppell throws the ball all over the place while Marcus has a stable of backs with about a 1000 yards rushing this year. Should be a good one if Marcus can slow the Dragon offense. Good luck to both, but SLC gets the nod at home 24-17.

[The Observer]

I have not read that many of your post so I apologize. One thing I do know is that Erwin is a great coach so nothing would surprise me. I am sure he knows the spread as well as anyone.
Your coach scares the crap out of me because he is that good.
I have tremendous respect for Marcus and not just because Mrs. Pants is a Marcus grad, she is full Dragon now, sorry.

Agree with this 100%...I think Erwin is a really good coach.

[The Observer]

OK, you are one of my favorite posters but I really need to get a pair of those green glasses you watched the film with.
First of all and I stated last week we need to stop comparing this team to TD's team or Ledbetter or even Rapp for that matter. It is all kind of pointless.
We have 2 excellent QB's and with all due respect to them at this point in their football careers are not a Wasson, Daniel, McElroy or Dodge. Think about 2005, McElroy had 4 DI receivers and Tre Newton in the backfield and who was the 5th receiver? Riley Dodge. Has their ever been a more talented team that runs the spread in Texas High School history. TD is/was a great coach but add that to a beast of an O line and a stifling defense, and a lot less talented coaches could have won with that talent. Todd created much of that, and I am not over looking that. Nor do we have the laundry list of receivers that each of those guys was blessed with. Again nothing against our current receiving corps. These are great players.
I do not think Wasson ball is much different than Dodge ball, if the long ball is open we will use it. We are currently shuffling two QB's with multiple receivers due to injuries and some other issues and it is going to take some time to get the timing down with each group. We are not that far off and we have been firing on all cylinders a few times this season. Look at Arlington. They are not a bad team. They are a good team we made look very bad.
I do not think we have a talent issue at all, we need pick A starting QB and stick with him to create timing and we need to work on play selection. If I had a shot of Vodka every time we ran Piland up the middle my liver would have exploded in the playoffs last year.
If he is going to be the starter than he needs to know it so he can have the confidence knowing that if he throws a bad pass he is not going to get replaced. If Kyle is the guy then he needs the same reassurance. It is getting too late in the season to "experiment" that is what non district is for.

Was reading you guys comments and from an outside guy that has seen his fair share of Dragon games, I think the biggest difference is that Dodge had an uncanny ability to go for the throat at the right moment, and then just poured points on you. I agree with SLC that Dodge would run the ball when given to him (as a Colleyville fan I've seen that first hand a couple times when we put 5 in the box, and it resulted in HUGE game on the ground for y'all). To me the biggest difference is the "go to the throat" mentality that Dodge had that would break a close game open and cut the heart out of the opponent.

I do think what I highlighted above is a great point though. Daniels last year and McElroy's year were two of the best teams I've ever seen play HS football (up there with '96 Grapevine and the '95 Marcus, who actually lost in the title game...I have no idea how). They were loaded and could beat you in a lot of different ways. You see the talent all over the place on Saturday now. I don't think the weapons are the same, and maybe that is why some complain about "Wasson-ball" now. I'm with SLC that I don't see a huge difference in what you do now vs. then as far as run/pass. I do think you can win games with your offense the way it is right now, because y'all can beat just about anybody with your defense alone, so staying conservative and winning games close with that defense can still take you where you want to go.

Just my two cents. Don't jump all over me. :D

[dragonbuck]

This will be a different test for the SLC than last week. Coppell throws the ball all over the place while Marcus has a stable of backs with about a 1000 yards rushing this year. Should be a good one if Marcus can slow the Dragon offense. Good luck to both, but SLC gets the nod at home 24-17.

Actually FMM has 1148 yds on the ground and Carroll has 1309. In the air, FMM has 499, and Carroll has 1712. Granted, Carroll has played 6 games, and FMM has only played 5. So per game averages are FMM: Rushing-230. Passing-100. Total-330yds/game. Carroll: rushing-218. Passing-285. Total-503yds/game. So to say that FMM has a superior running game is a stretch - 230 vs 218. Carroll's 173 yds more per game is telling.

[the_phoenix612]

I have to say, the Marauder's home fan's unified cheers were pretty cool last year. The odds of getting Dragon fans to do that?

[Joseph McCabe]

It is called having a meaningful debate.

Or many times an inside circle jerk

[dragonbuck]

I have to say, the Marauder's home fan's unified cheers were pretty cool last year. The odds of getting Dragon fans to do that?

I'm not sure what qualifies as a unified cheer, but I did see and hear a large group of Carroll fans in the parking lot holding up green glasses and saying "cheers" and saw Pants frantically running around with a pitcher of green liquid. They were pretty unified, does that count???

Unfortunatley, the odds of getting The Library chanting in unison prior to the playoffs is pretty slim:( Too spoiled I guess. All I know, is I lose my voice every week, and it's not from green Koolaid.

[dragonsdaddy]

We are certainly passionate, thats for sure.:)

ok, you flummoxed me. kenton?? which game? i would have to replace him with clint's dr-1 game, or crunk's 4 td game at denison, if asked.

[dragonsdaddy]

It is called having a meaningful debate.

in the god's it was because there was little perceived threat from the district competition(i remember watching the ou band warming up right behind a 56-0 halftime score at the gold).

[Marcus Fan]

Or many times an inside circle jerk

Actually all of our comments here are meaningless debate but it sure is fun!

[DragonFan0316]

A day closer and I still can't come up with a score. The problem is I haven't seen Marcus play this year. They sound a little dangerous because I have heard they can hurt you with the pass. Not sure about that though because of the stats. I am convinced that if Marcus is truly one dementional, without a NS equivilant defense the Dragons will win.

I know the Dragons have been in the football lab cooking up some new looks on bothsides of the ball. They are going to....no, no, no.:cool: You know I can't and wouldn't say. Should be interesting though.

I know Ermin is probably doing the same. Heck I heard from a good source they may throw the ball 50 times;). Glad this one is in the Emerald city at the Dragon's lair. To be continued....

[dragonbuck]

Let's just hope the flu doesn't strike the Dragons like it has the rest of the school. I had a daughter come home today with a fever, and the nurse said she has seen a huge increase in the last few days of flu cases. Are we allowed to quarantine the entire team?:rolleyes:

[toonman]

..... I think the biggest difference is that Dodge had an uncanny ability to go for the throat at the right moment, and then just poured points on you. To me the biggest difference is the "go to the throat" mentality that Dodge had that would break a close game open and cut the heart out of the opponent.

Just my two cents. Don't jump all over me. :D

I agree with your assessment and you are so correct; it is this ability to identify the defensive weakness and pick the correct play to expose the deficiency and turn a game. 'Kill the will' is what I think Coach Dodge called it. This is what separates the post Dodge teams from the teams of the Dodge era.

[dragonbuck]

I agree with your assessment and you are so correct; it is this ability to identify the defensive weakness and pick the correct play to expose the deficiency and turn a game. 'Kill the will' is what I think Coach Dodge called it. This is what separates the post Dodge teams from the teams of the Dodge era.

What always amazed me about Dodge was our quick strike ability after a turnover. Everyone knew it was coming, but how many times did we see a TD on the first play following a turnover? It seemed like >50% time after a turnover, we would score on the next play. If we didn't score on that play, then >90% of the time we would score on that drive. I'm sure I am exaggerating, but it amazed me how regulary we did that. Talk about killing the will.

[SLC]

ok, you flummoxed me. kenton?? which game? i would have to replace him with clint's dr-1 game, or crunk's 4 td game at denison, if asked.


That wasn't an all or a limited to list, just a few I mentioned that I knew had huge performances, so add Crunks and Renfro's games...it's all good.

The game that comes to mind for Kenton is Lufkin '04 in which he dominated quite well against some very good DB's and made quite a few 1st down catches that helped keep the Javorskie/Dez combo on the sidelines. He also had some great blocks that day to help keep Luna rolling along. Seems like he had around 8 catches for over 100 yds and a td against that Lufkin defense, not to mention that the next week against SV when points were few, he had a great game and added another score or two.

[SLC]

Let's just hope the flu doesn't strike the Dragons like it has the rest of the school. I had a daughter come home today with a fever, and the nurse said she has seen a huge increase in the last few days of flu cases. Are we allowed to quarantine the entire team?:rolleyes:


Lets quit sending sick kids to school and that would stop, but most parents give them some medicine and send them off anyway.

[toonman]

What always amazed me about Dodge was our quick strike ability after a turnover. Everyone knew it was coming, but how many times did we see a TD on the first play following a turnover? It seemed like >50% time after a turnover, we would score on the next play. If we didn't score on that play, then >90% of the time we would score on that drive. I'm sure I am exaggerating, but it amazed me how regulary we did that. Talk about killing the will.

..and the nunber of touchdowns that were scored just before half-time by stopping the opponents and use of time-outs.

[SLC]

I agree with your assessment and you are so correct; it is this ability to identify the defensive weakness and pick the correct play to expose the deficiency and turn a game. 'Kill the will' is what I think Coach Dodge called it. This is what separates the post Dodge teams from the teams of the Dodge era.



Kind of, thats sure what we all call it now, but KTW had much more to do with wearing the opponent down, so that as you got deeper in the game, they had nothing left, but we did.

I dont remember where it was that he spoke of it, but it was in a newspaper or something.

[SLC]

..and the nunber of touchdowns that were scored just before half-time by stopping the opponents and use of time-outs.


That happened ALOT.

[SLC13]

I have not read that many of your post so I apologize. One thing I do know is that Erwin is a great coach so nothing would surprise me. I am sure he knows the spread as well as anyone.
Your coach scares the crap out of me because he is that good.
I have tremendous respect for Marcus and not just because Mrs. Pants is a Marcus grad, she is full Dragon now, sorry.

While I agree that he's done a good job turning around the Marcus program, I am reluctant to attach the adjective "great" to a coach until he has a couple signature wins in 5A......

[SLC]

While I agree that he's done a good job, I am reluctant to attach the adjective "great" to a coach until he has a couple signature wins in 5A......

As a 2 time state championship head coach, his greatness is cemented regardless of his result at Marcus.

[marcusdrillmom]

Dragon fans you really don't have to worry about our little ole team, we are awful.....;) Just look toward your next game ...

Seriously though can't wait to visit Dragon Stadium.

[dragonpants]

Dragon fans you really don't have to worry about our little ole team, we are awful.....;) Just look toward your next game ...

Seriously though can't wait to visit Dragon Stadium.

No problem leave your 3 big running backs and your big brained coach home and we will focus on Flower Mound........deal?

[marcusdrillmom]

No problem leave your 3 big running backs and your big brained coach home and we will focus on Flower Mound........deal?

but they really want to see the stadium too!

[dragonbuck]

but they really want to see the stadium too!

How 'bout we just send pictures of DS and they stay home? It's really just an ordinary stadium with some logo in the middle. We don't even sell sushi anymore.

[the_phoenix612]

but they really want to see the stadium too!
we'll be generous enough to let them watch from the stands :)

[dragonpants]

but they really want to see the stadium too!

They can sit in the stands but cannot suit up and Erwin has to sit next to me and is not allowed a cell phone. :D

[marcusdrillmom]

They can sit in the stands but cannot suit up and Erwin has to sit next to me and is not allowed a cell phone. :D

I am sure he would enjoy your company!:) But he does not travel without his cell phone;)

And what no sushi??? That was going to be the main sight seeing attraction for us!:D

[The Observer]

I agree with your assessment and you are so correct; it is this ability to identify the defensive weakness and pick the correct play to expose the deficiency and turn a game. 'Kill the will' is what I think Coach Dodge called it. This is what separates the post Dodge teams from the teams of the Dodge era.

toonman - like I said, from a Colleyville perspective we saw this first hand many times. I could never get over how many times the momentum would switch and we could NEVER get it back. And regardless of final score, there were several games where we were standing toe to toe in the first half and then the flood gates would just open (both games in 2006 come to mind). And obviously it wasn't just against us. For all the talk about Dodge teams, that is the #1 quality I will always remember.

Regardless, my other point was that in Wasson's defense, I don't know if SLC has the gamebreakers they did then. Don't get me wrong. Everyone of your guys would be the #1 reciever at our place (and a whole lot of other places as well), I just don't know if the explosiveness is there this year when compared to some of the old teams. But like I said, I think this is one of the best defenses y'all have had, and I still think y'all will be there in late December because of it.

[marcusdrillmom]

Question on parking at the stadium - is there handicapped parking on the visitor side?

[SLC]

Question on parking at the stadium - is there handicapped parking on the visitor side?


Yes. It is a state law.

[slcdragonfan]

Was reading you guys comments and from an outside guy that has seen his fair share of Dragon games, I think the biggest difference is that Dodge had an uncanny ability to go for the throat at the right moment, and then just poured points on you. I agree with SLC that Dodge would run the ball when given to him (as a Colleyville fan I've seen that first hand a couple times when we put 5 in the box, and it resulted in HUGE game on the ground for y'all). To me the biggest difference is the "go to the throat" mentality that Dodge had that would break a close game open and cut the heart out of the opponent.

I do think what I highlighted above is a great point though. Daniels last year and McElroy's year were two of the best teams I've ever seen play HS football (up there with '96 Grapevine and the '95 Marcus, who actually lost in the title game...I have no idea how). They were loaded and could beat you in a lot of different ways. You see the talent all over the place on Saturday now. I don't think the weapons are the same, and maybe that is why some complain about "Wasson-ball" now. I'm with SLC that I don't see a huge difference in what you do now vs. then as far as run/pass. I do think you can win games with your offense the way it is right now, because y'all can beat just about anybody with your defense alone, so staying conservative and winning games close with that defense can still take you where you want to go.

Just my two cents. Don't jump all over me. :D

good commentary. and I think fairly accurate.

[DrEdward]

Question on parking at the stadium - is there handicapped parking on the visitor side?

Indeed there is. Immediately across the roadway from a gate on the visitor's side. However, the number of spaces is somewhat limited, as I recall, likely just conforming to the state requirements.

[Marcus Fan]

Neither head coach would be coaching at these schools unless they were really good. I don't think either will be surprised by what the other is doing or planning on doing.
It will be a question of who can cast their will on the other.

28-24 Marcus in the upset..
Yes We can: Yes We will.

[dragonbuck]

Question on parking at the stadium - is there handicapped parking on the visitor side?

Yes, however it is usually utilized by our opposing players' families. They need to park close to the stadium so they can easily get their battered kids in the car and on the way home following the butt kicking:Music

[dragonsdaddy]

Kind of, thats sure what we all call it now, but KTW had much more to do with wearing the opponent down, so that as you got deeper in the game, they had nothing left, but we did.

I dont remember where it was that he spoke of it, but it was in a newspaper or something.

at halftime his intensity rose and he spoke about taking the intensity of the game to a level with which the other team was not comfortable. pretty good stuff, actually. i'd be wanting to go play afterwards.

[DrEdward]

Neither head coach would be coaching at these schools unless they were really good. I don't think either will be surprised by what the other is doing or planning on doing.
It will be a question of who can cast their will on the other.

28-24 Marcus in the upset..
Yes We can: Yes We will.

While your prediction is most certainly in error, your observation on the head coaches is absolutely correct. Erwin was on the list of Carroll candidates when Dodge left, but had already accpeted the Marcus position when the interviews began at Carroll (as I recall.)

[SLC]

at halftime his intensity rose and he spoke about taking the intensity of the game to a level with which the other team was not comfortable. pretty good stuff, actually. i'd be wanting to go play afterwards.



Not doubt. I would want to, but it would stop there.:D

[SLC]

While your prediction is most certainly in error, your observation on the head coaches is absolutely correct. Erwin was on the list of Carroll candidates when Dodge left, but had already accpeted the Marcus position when the interviews began at Carroll (as I recall.)


I love it...Thats likely as close as we'll get to DocEd trash talking, but it's a thing of beauty, in all it's simplicity.:D:notworthy

[Marcus Fan]

Yes, however it is usually utilized by our opposing players' families. They need to park close to the stadium so they can easily get their battered kids in the car and on the way home following the butt kicking:Music
Now buck, this thread has been smack free for a while and there you go ruining it.. Can't we all just get along? :)

Our poor little Marcus team is so scared of the big bad dragon that we may just have to take our ball and hide it for 9 minutes every quarter..
Hopkins, left, Hopkins Right, Mason left, Mason right, Newsome around the end, poof 9 minutes have disappeared.

[slcdragonfan]

Question on parking at the stadium - is there handicapped parking on the visitor side?

Yes, but it is very limited. We have much more on the Home side, AND I 'cone out' extra spots for additional parking for handicapped. IF you are coming later or need me to do something special, let me know. I can cone extra handicapped spot(s) on the visitor side as well. I DO have to have someone guard it however; people move the cones, not realizing they are for handicapped.

I recommend 6:30 to 7:00 arrival to get a visitor handicapped spot.

[slcdragonfan]

Now buck, this thread has been smack free for a while and there you go ruining it.. Can't we all just get along? :)

Our poor little Marcus team is so scared of the big bad dragon that we may just have to take our ball and hide it for 9 minutes every quarter..
Hopkins, left, Hopkins Right, Mason left, Mason right, Newsome around the end, poof 9 minutes have disappeared.

time warp football, as mastered by ET. But has to have a scoring drive on the end, or taking a knee to qualify.

Why don't you just accept it and come out with the veer/wishbone?

[SLC]

time warp football, as mastered by ET. But has to have a scoring drive on the end, or taking a knee to qualify.

Why don't you just accept it and come out with the veer/wishbone?


For sure, if you dont punch it in, it wont matter if you get yards at all.

[Marcus Fan]

time warp football, as mastered by ET. But has to have a scoring drive on the end, or taking a knee to qualify.

Why don't you just accept it and come out with the veer/wishbone?

You never know SLC...Wouldn't that be something. THe wishbone.. I think you would put Hopkins at fullback and run Mason and Newsome as the halfbacks..Now that would be interesting to watch..

[DragonFan0316]

I had lunch with Wasson, Erwin, Brazile, MBride and the other 2 guys(sory I don't know names) at Fudrucker's in Grapevine today. Well they had lunch together and I had lunch with my wife and daughter. Mrs 0316 works at home on Wednesday and we always go there. Starting last year, all the 6-5A coaches meet there at 11:00 AM on Wednesday as well. It is neat to see them sit together and talk like the best of friends. It is a wild color scheme too. Green, red, maroon, red, black and blue. Despite my wanting to pull up a chair right beside them, Mrs 0316 insists we sit in our normal table across the room. Of course there is the occassional meeting at the condiment station:D.

Can't wait for Friday.

[DragonFan0316]

You never know SLC...Wouldn't that be something. THe wishbone.. I think you would put Hopkins at fullback and run Mason and Newsome as the halfbacks..Now that would be interesting to watch..

Only if he put it in for the game on 10/23:)

[DragonFan0316]

Now buck, this thread has been smack free for a while and there you go ruining it.. Can't we all just get along? :)

Our poor little Marcus team is so scared of the big bad dragon that we may just have to take our ball and hide it for 9 minutes every quarter..
Hopkins, left, Hopkins Right, Mason left, Mason right, Newsome around the end, poof 9 minutes have disappeared.

We had the perfect solution for this last year. Just let Stephan go at the 50 then we got the ball back quick enough to get our scores in.:eek:On second thought maybe we should not try this again.:D:D

[SLC]

We had the perfect solution for this last year. Just let Stephan go at the 50 then we got the ball back quick enough to get our scores in.:eek:On second thought maybe we should not try this again.:D:D



That!:)


Tackling is NOT optional.

[slcdragonfan]

You never know SLC...Wouldn't that be something. THe wishbone.. I think you would put Hopkins at fullback and run Mason and Newsome as the halfbacks..Now that would be interesting to watch..

That is what I have been thinking all season from Marcus. Seriously. And half expected to see it in the Katy game. Then I decided Coach Erwin was being wiley/cagey and saving it.......for us! I wouldn't be surprised to see it this Friday. :)

[dragonpants]

Now buck, this thread has been smack free for a while and there you go ruining it.. Can't we all just get along? :)

Our poor little Marcus team is so scared of the big bad dragon that we may just have to take our ball and hide it for 9 minutes every quarter..
Hopkins, left, Hopkins Right, Mason left, Mason right, Newsome around the end, poof 9 minutes have disappeared.

But we can score 21 point in 3 minutes with no problem, so there is my prediction, Carroll has the ball a total of 12 minutes the entire game and we win 84-6. :D

[Marcus Fan]

But we can score 21 point in 3 minutes with no problem, so there is my prediction, Carroll has the ball a total of 12 minutes the entire game and we win 84-6. :D

Something close to this happened last year where Marcus was up and SLC offense wouldn't quit and came back for the win..

[SLC]

Something close to this happened last year where Marcus was up and SLC offense wouldn't quit and came back for the win..


No need for the come back this time around. Carroll will get up and stay up.

[dragonbuck]

Now buck, this thread has been smack free for a while and there you go ruining it.. Can't we all just get along? :).

I wasn't talking smack, or was I inferring that Marcus would leave our game battered. I was just telling you about previous games this year. I'm sure FMM will be much different.

[dragonbuck]

I had lunch with Wasson, Erwin, Brazile, MBride and the other 2 guys(sory I don't know names) at Fudrucker's in Grapevine today. Well they had lunch together and I had lunch with my wife and daughter. Mrs 0316 works at home on Wednesday and we always go there. Starting last year, all the 6-5A coaches meet there at 11:00 AM on Wednesday as well. It is neat to see them sit together and talk like the best of friends. It is a wild color scheme too. Green, red, maroon, red, black and blue. Despite my wanting to pull up a chair right beside them, Mrs 0316 insists we sit in our normal table across the room. Of course there is the occassional meeting at the condiment station:D.

Can't wait for Friday.

If I did that with my competitors, I would be in jail. I guess that's one of their benefits working for the government. The way things are going though, we all might be working for the government soon enough.:mad:

[dragonsdaddy]

But we can score 21 point in 3 minutes with no problem, so there is my prediction, Carroll has the ball a total of 12 minutes the entire game and we win 84-6. :D

that would be deja 2002 all over again. the marcus faithful felt like the song "you dropped a bomb on me" by the gap band, which was the back song for the 02 highlight tape.

[farmerfan]

that would be deja 2002 all over again. the marcus faithful felt like the song "you dropped a bomb on me" by the gap band, which was the back song for the 02 highlight tape.

I guess good thing for Marcus is they are better than they were in '02 and Carroll is not as good right now as they were in '02

[Austin109]

im gonna toss my .02 in. i think marcus will surprise southlake and run all over them. HOWEVER i think southlake shreds them with short-intermediate range passing.

im calling it 31-28 Southlake

[farmerfan]

im gonna toss my .02 in. i think marcus will surprise southlake and run all over them. HOWEVER i think southlake shreds them with short-intermediate range passing.

im calling it 31-28 Southlake

I really enjoy watching Marcus play, always have. They are a program I grew up close to but saying all that I don't know about running all over Southlake. The Dragon D is better than they were a year ago, they have a very solid front 7 and it is going to be tough for Marcus to run all over them. The key for Marcus IMO is using Newsome to open up the running game. I say that by putting him in the slot and sending him out on some routes, he was able to get open against Katy some but the Marcus QB over threw him once and threw behind him another time. If Marcus can utilize Newsome in both the running and passing game that should open things up for Butler who is a very good TE. That IMO will alow Hopkins and Mason to get some yards by softening up the Carroll front 7.
Marcus weak point is in the secondary and that is going to be the key matchup this week. How well can Marcus defend against the pass?
Marcus has a very solid front seven and should be able to make plays against the Carroll rushing attack.

[green day]

I really enjoy watching Marcus play, always have. They are a program I grew up close to but saying all that I don't know about running all over Southlake. The Dragon D is better than they were a year ago, they have a very solid front 7 and it is going to be tough for Marcus to run all over them. The key for Marcus IMO is using Newsome to open up the running game. I say that by putting him in the slot and sending him out on some routes, he was able to get open against Katy some but the Marcus QB over threw him once and threw behind him another time. If Marcus can utilize Newsome in both the running and passing game that should open things up for Butler who is a very good TE. That IMO will alow Hopkins and Mason to get some yards by softening up the Carroll front 7.
Marcus weak point is in the secondary and that is going to be the key matchup this week. How well can Marcus defend against the pass?
Marcus has a very solid front seven and should be able to make plays against the Carroll rushing attack.

Ffan, good insight, but I'm sure we both agree this SL team is better than they were in '02.... they were only 10 years old back then

[farmerfan]

Ffan, good insight, but I'm sure we both agree this SL team is better than they were in '02.... they were only 10 years old back then

tou'che Mr Greenday :notworthy

[green day]

Hope you are doing well, D___. Always fun putting a face to a fan...

By the way, I hope you had the axe back in your (old ) day

[farmerfan]

Hope you are doing well, D___. Always fun putting a face to a fan...

By the way, I hope you had the axe back in your (old ) day

Thanks, it always is nice to meet other posters. They get to see I'm really not as cranky in person as I am on the board ;)
I am doing well, finally recovered from my Tennessee trip. I love driving but driving from Knoxville to Denton in a day takes its toll on ya. Factor in partying for 3 days straight then it can get exhausting.
I did not attend Marcus or Lewisville. Just been a huge fan of Lewisville High for a long time and grew up close to the Marcus program since I had a lot of friends who played for both Lewisville and Marcus. When I was in HS Lewisville had the axe 3 out of the 4 years.

[dragonbuck]

Thanks, it always is nice to meet other posters. They get to see I'm really not as cranky in person as I am on the board ;)
I am doing well, finally recovered from my Tennessee trip. I love driving but driving from Knoxville to Denton in a day takes its toll on ya. Factor in partying for 3 days straight then it can get exhausting.
I did not attend Marcus or Lewisville. Just been a huge fan of Lewisville High for a long time and grew up close to the Marcus program since I had a lot of friends who played for both Lewisville and Marcus. When I was in HS Lewisville had the axe 3 out of the 4 years.

Really,
I thought you were a Farmer from way back. You have stuck with them through thick and now thin. I just assumed you were an alumnus. Did you get to the Carroll/Coppell game, or were you in Knoxville? Nashville to DFW is a long day, Knoxville/DFW is a drag, even when you are not hungover. Welcome back. Without all your latenight posts, KATY was able to shut down 2 extra servers.

[DrEdward]

Really,
I thought you were a Farmer from way back. You have stuck with them through thick and now thin. I just assumed you were an alumnus. Did you get to the Carroll/Coppell game, or were you in Knoxville? Nashville to DFW is a long day, Knoxville/DFW is a drag, even when you are not hungover. Welcome back. Without all your latenight posts, KATY was able to shut down 2 extra servers.

I am under the impression that he is a Liberty Christian graduate. Having made that drive as well, Tennessee goes on for freakin' ever! While the eastern part of the state is quite beautiful, the western half leaves a bit to be desired in terms of scenery.

[DrEdward]

By the way, as a throw-back to an earlier question, there are eight (8) designated handicapped parking spaces on the visitors' side.

[SLC]

Really,
I thought you were a Farmer from way back. You have stuck with them through thick and now thin. I just assumed you were an alumnus. Did you get to the Carroll/Coppell game, or were you in Knoxville? Nashville to DFW is a long day, Knoxville/DFW is a drag, even when you are not hungover. Welcome back. Without all your latenight posts, KATY was able to shut down 2 extra servers.


Now, I thought it was you I told the other day, that he was in Knoxville watching hig Bulldogs play?;)

[SLC]

I am under the impression that he is a Liberty Christian graduate. Having made that drive as well, Tennessee goes on for freakin' ever! While the eastern part of the state is quite beautiful, the western half leaves a bit to be desired in terms of scenery.


That impression is correct.

[ALLENFANDINGO5]

Actually FMM has 1148 yds on the ground and Carroll has 1309. In the air, FMM has 499, and Carroll has 1712. Granted, Carroll has played 6 games, and FMM has only played 5. So per game averages are FMM: Rushing-230. Passing-100. Total-330yds/game. Carroll: rushing-218. Passing-285. Total-503yds/game. So to say that FMM has a superior running game is a stretch - 230 vs 218. Carroll's 173 yds more per game is telling.Wasnt saying Marcus has a better running game than SLC and I wasnt counting all the rushing yards, just the ones by the main 3 backs. My post was to point out that SLC will be facing 2 different philosophies and will be a good test to see how complete they are in both pass and run defense.

[Champion]

The flu situation at SLC is a big concern. Some starters out yesterday and I heard three starters went home sick today. Don't know if it is swine flu or something else. Who knows what will be on the field Friday. Don't know if those out are on offense or defense. If two of the names I heard are true they better get well quick.

Marcus concerns me because I believe all the hype about the running back and we have not done well the last couple of years against the run. The run burns up a lot of time as well.

SLC offense should get back on track one of these games..... The team really does miss Renger and needs to adjust.

As far as Marcus having a great coach. This may be. I'll wait till I see it. The much heralded Coppell coach put together a pathetic performance against SLC with respect to play calling, clock management and goofy sideline antics. The coaches and the team gave up early in the 4th quarter.

Marcus will provide more of a challenge than Coppell which did not impress me. I liken them to Cedar Hill. Strong running game and apparently ok defense.

Game will be close because of ball control of Marcus. SLC should win. The flu could give Marcus the win. Maybe they have the same stuff going around?

[farmerfan]

The flu situation at SLC is a big concern. Some starters out yesterday and I heard three starters went home sick today. Don't know if it is swine flu or something else. Who knows what will be on the field Friday. Don't know if those out are on offense or defense. If two of the names I heard are true they better get well quick.

Marcus concerns me because I believe all the hype about the running back and we have not done well the last couple of years against the run. The run burns up a lot of time as well.

SLC offense should get back on track one of these games..... The team really does miss Renger and needs to adjust.

As far as Marcus having a great coach. This may be. I'll wait till I see it. The much heralded Coppell coach put together a pathetic performance against SLC with respect to play calling, clock management and goofy sideline antics. The coaches and the team gave up early in the 4th quarter.

Marcus will provide more of a challenge than Coppell which did not impress me. I liken them to Cedar Hill. Strong running game and apparently ok defense.

Game will be close because of ball control of Marcus. SLC should win. The flu could give Marcus the win. Maybe they have the same stuff going around?

I am a Liberty Christian Warrior. I just returned home a few hours ago but I still love me some Ghost Riders in the Sky. Go Dragon Band:D

[farmerfan]

The Dragons play this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmxB2BwVufA

The Marauders play this and did so befoer the Dragons did ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_Nt5mEZ2r0

Go MARCUS :D

[farmerfan]

Oh Yeah they play this too :D


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iim6s8Ea_bE


Let it be known that the Marcus BAAND is freaking AWESOME

[farmerfan]

No way Marcus beats Carroll. No Way. They SUCK too much and Carrroll is too ******. Nothing has been done to character the miscues!!!!

[green day]

"So let it be written....so let it be done"- Ramasees

[farmerfan]

"So let it be written....so let it be done"- Ramasees

you've already the best days of your life

[farmerfan]

Will the Carroll Band play this:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFjqlx8eSfQ

[CCCSportsFan]

I am a Liberty Christian Warrior. I just returned home a few hours ago but I still love me some Ghost Riders in the Sky. Go Dragon Band:D

A proud, and still well informed one to, I'll humbly add for you :)

[farmerfan]

A proud, and still well informed one to, I'll humbly add for you :)

Thank you sir. I hope your's is doing good. It is still weird for this Warrior to see that Coach Bowles is no longer coaching. But Coach Price is going to do a fine job in upholding
"THEIR TRADITION" :notworthy

[CCCSportsFan]

The flu situation at SLC is a big concern. Some starters out yesterday and I heard three starters went home sick today. Don't know if it is swine flu or something else. Who knows what will be on the field Friday. Don't know if those out are on offense or defense. If two of the names I heard are true they better get well quick.

Marcus concerns me because I believe all the hype about the running back and we have not done well the last couple of years against the run. The run burns up a lot of time as well.

SLC offense should get back on track one of these games..... The team really does miss Renger and needs to adjust.

As far as Marcus having a great coach. This may be. I'll wait till I see it. The much heralded Coppell coach put together a pathetic performance against SLC with respect to play calling, clock management and goofy sideline antics. The coaches and the team gave up early in the 4th quarter.

Marcus will provide more of a challenge than Coppell which did not impress me. I liken them to Cedar Hill. Strong running game and apparently ok defense.

Game will be close because of ball control of Marcus. SLC should win. The flu could give Marcus the win. Maybe they have the same stuff going around?

Dragon Youth Football was hit real hard by a flu bug 2-3 weeks back. Several teams were concerned with being able to field enough players to even play their games. However, only a couple of the cases were H1N1. Most of the kids missed 3-5 days of school/practice from the bug.

I work with a guy whose kids are in the Lewisville ISD. The middle school his daughter attends has been hit extremely hard with H1N1 the past 10 days.

[farmerfan]

Dragon Youth Football was hit real hard by a flu bug 2-3 weeks back. Several teams were concerned with being able to field enough players to even play their games. However, only a couple of the cases were H1N1. Most of the kids missed 3-5 days of school/practice from the bug.

I work with a guy whose kids are in the Lewisville ISD. The middle school his daughter attends has been hit extremely hard with H1N1 the past 10 days.

here's to a quick recovery

[CCCSportsFan]

Thank you sir. I hope your's is doing good. It is still weird for this Warrior to see that Coach Bowles is no longer coaching. But Coach Price is going to do a fine job in upholding
"THEIR TRADITION" :notworthy

Coach Price is doing a very good job for the Warrior's! They had a couple of hiccups earlier this season, but it looks like things are now clicking for them :D

[farmerfan]

Coach Price is doing a very good job for the Warrior's! They had a couple of hiccups earlier this season, but it looks like things are now clicking for them :D

When you open up with TCA and Nolan that will happen. Liberty played both of those teams to the wire. Coach Price is going to be FINE HC :notworthy

[Marcus Fan]

The flu situation at SLC is a big concern. Some starters out yesterday and I heard three starters went home sick today.
Game will be close because of ball control of Marcus. SLC should win. The flu could give Marcus the win. Maybe they have the same stuff going around?

Are we prepping the audience with excuses?

[slcdragonfan]

Are we prepping the audience with excuses?

We won't need them. :eek::D

[yankee]

Are we prepping the audience with excuses?

it won't even matter.

[farmerfan]

it won't even matter.

Marcus sucks?:cool:

[yankee]

Marcus sucks?:cool:

what he said.

[slcdragonfan]

Marcus sucks?:cool:

No. all said in good sport, don't take it the wrong way. 'banter'. not even trash talking. If you review the thread, I think you see a lot of respect for Marcus from the SLC side. Many of us have been concerned that their strength matches up well (for them).

[dragonpants]

Marcus sucks?:cool:

No just Katy and Plano and Plano really does suck this year. :D

[Marcus Fan]

Hey I didn't say it,a Dragon fan did.. Give him grief not me!:D
Let me add additional excuses to create a top ten list:

- QB's were paying too close attention to their hot cheerleader girlfriends.
- The band played at the wrong time.
- The rain from last week made the ball slippery to pass.
- Coaches were looking beyond Marcus to the Lewisville game
- Players ate some bad sushi from the concession stand before the game
- They didn't mow the artificial turf low enough slowing the team down
- The new light poles were teetering causing bad shadows and missed passes
- Hopkins was running past too fast causing blurred vision by defenders
- Both QB's got in an arm wrestling match before the game to see who would start and hurt their shoulders.

[dragonpants]

The day for my prediction. I know everyone waits for them because I have been so close each time this year :rolleyes:.

I predict Carroll 38-17. Our D is much better than last year so Hopkins will get his yards but not the volume he did last year and not the huge break away runs.
Carrolls offense will be in sync both running and passing and that healthy combination is too much for Marcus good but not outstanding D.

[longball]

Farmer Fan , ur predictions suck like you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:notworthy

[DragonFan0316]

The Marauders will visit the Dragons lair.
The boys will fight hard in the chilled air.
Zebras will watch but not interfere.
This battle will be decided by play and not yellow smear.

Despite best efforts mistakes will be made.
The hitting will be hard and phsyical strength may fade.
Through pain and exaustion the battle will wage on.
Both sides play on till the battle is done.


As the game finally ends all will have left it on the field.
What we believe today may not be the final deal.
I think it will be close to call.
But hey, I am a homer after all.

Carroll - 38
FMM - 21

:)

[farmerfan]

No just Katy and Plano and Plano really does suck this year. :D

There is a given in this world

heaven will never be west virgina

country roads will never take you home

no memories ever gather around her.

and

PLANO WILL ALWAYS SUCK

GO MARCUS

[DragonFan0316]

Hey I didn't say it,a Dragon fan did.. Give him grief not me!:D
Let me add additional excuses to create a top ten list:

- QB's were paying too close attention to their hot cheerleader girlfriends.
- The band played at the wrong time.
- The rain from last week made the ball slippery to pass.
- Coaches were looking beyond Marcus to the Lewisville game
- Players ate some bad sushi from the concession stand before the game
- They didn't mow the artificial turf low enough slowing the team down
- The new light poles were teetering causing bad shadows and missed passes
- Hopkins was running past too fast causing blurred vision by defenders
- Both QB's got in an arm wrestling match before the game to see who would start and hurt their shoulders.

Well done.;)

[farmerfan]

No. all said in good sport, don't take it the wrong way. 'banter'. not even trash talking. If you review the thread, I think you see a lot of respect for Marcus from the SLC side. Many of us have been concerned that their strength matches up well (for them).

ACTUALLY SLC fans stated having fun long before I did. Just loolk at SLC, he said that he hopes that Carrolll scores quick and often after a Marcus fans post\

That said, please do not play Rocky Top, I will be at this game. Thank you

[farmerfan]

Oh yeah, Farmer will never SUCK ;):D

[dragonbuck]

Now, I thought it was you I told the other day, that he was in Knoxville watching hig Bulldogs play?;)

I can't remember yesterday, let alone last week:(

[farmerfan]

Why do you all think Marcus is going to come in with some kind or rushing attack? I mean they have shown nothing to resemble a attack yet.,.

[15Adragon]

FMM will be a better test for the Dragons. Marcus will pound the ball and try to shorten the game, but the Dragons will not be held under 30.

C - 31
FMM - 21

[DragonFan0316]

Why do you all think Marcus is going to come in with some kind or rushing attack? I mean they have shown nothing to resemble a attack yet.,.

A) We fear(fans not players) a good rushing attack. We don't see many these days.
B) This team nearly beat our brains out with it last year with the same guy running. Only now they look stronger at the run than last year.
C) Many of us, well at least me haven't seen them play this year.

I guess that is it. My heart can't take closely fought battles when it comes to the green team. I like early blow outs and I don't see that this week, or next week or the week after that, etc.

[farmerfan]

A) We fear(fans not players) a good rushing attack. We don't see many these days.
B) This team nearly beat our brains out with it last year with the same guy running. Only now they look stronger at the run than last year.
C) Many of us, well at least me haven't seen them play this year.

I guess that is it. My heart can't take closely fought battles when it comes to the green team. I like early blow outs and I don't see that this week, or next week or the week after that, etc.

I see your point

I sayu Carroll 56
Marcus 10

[dragonbuck]

I see your point

I sayu Carroll 56
Marcus 10

I hope you are right Farmer. How many times have you seen them this year?

[SLC]

ACTUALLY SLC fans stated having fun long before I did. Just loolk at SLC, he said that he hopes that Carrolll scores quick and often after a Marcus fans post\

That said, please do not play Rocky Top, I will be at this game. Thank you


I'm thinking Farmer stayed up way to late, or to early..and didn't read what he thought he did, in regards to SLC's posts in this thread.

I actually said, I think the comeback wont be needed this time because Carroll would get up and stay up.;):)

[SLC]

I hope you are right Farmer. How many times have you seen them this year?


I believe he has seen them twice. P West and Katy, I believe.

[SLC]

Ok, after much thinking about this game. I believe Carroll will be able to limit (not stop) the Marcus rushing game to under 200 yds. Now most would say "what, 200 yds?" Well, consider this...North Shore rushed for 300 and that game was winnable for us and our passing game didn't have the best of days either. So, I believe Marcus will get some yards on the ground but wont have near the success on the scoreboard that the Mustangs did. Factor in also that Marcus doesn't have near the defense that we faced that day in Corsicana or last week at the Library. I think Carroll will be able to move the ball on the ground and through the air this week and we will score plenty of points. It's a matter of limiting the points for Marcus and I think we can keep them to around 21-24 points, for sure no more than 28. I think TTA will be a big mismatch for the Marauder defenders this week as will our receivers..dont know which one or two, but someone is going to have a big day this week from the WR spot for Carroll.

I believe Carroll wins...


Carroll 42

Marcus 24

[green day]

I'm thinking Farmer stayed up way to late, or to early..and didn't read what he thought he did, in regards to SLC's posts in this thread.

I actually said, I think the comeback wont be needed this time because Carroll would get up and stay up.;):) I'm thinking fan will have to get back to us on that one...he's taking a nap

SLC- any chance you see the roles reversed with dragons controlling the clock, forcing FMM to resort to quick strike play calling? Everyone seems to consider them as a ball control running offense, and I would love to force them to think big play tomorrow...

[SLC]

I'm thinking fan will have to get back to us on that one...he's taking a nap

SLC- any chance you see the roles reversed with dragons controlling the clock, forcing FMM to resort to quick strike play calling? Everyone seems to consider them as a ball control running offense, and I would love to force them to think big play tomorrow...


Could be. I'm just not sure Marcus will be able to stop our offense, which will be needed in order for us to control the clock. They have given up several 100 yard ground games to teams and most of them were not as lethal as us on the ground, so I'm not sure they can stop us running the ball and passing the ball is apparently pretty easy on them, so I just dont think (nothing points to it so far) they can stop us enough, for us to be able to control the clock in a true fashion, now as far as running the ball, I hope we do it alot and force them to stop it..we seem to get away from running it...when it is working.

[CCCSportsFan]

Could be. I'm just not sure Marcus will be able to stop our offense, which will be needed in order for us to control the clock. They have given up several 100 yard ground games to teams and most of them were not as lethal as us on the ground, so I'm not sure they can stop us running the ball and passing the ball is apparently pretty easy on them, so I just dont think (nothing points to it so far) they can stop us enough, for us to be able to control the clock in a true fashion, now as far as running the ball, I hope we do it alot and force them to stop it..we seem to get away from running it...when it is working.

If you think back to last years game, it wasn't long drawn out drives that hurt us... It was Hopkins busting those long runs (couple were TD's) that were 1-3 plays into their posessions... If memory serves me correct over 50% of his yardage that night came on 3 or so plays??

[SLC]

If you think back to last years game, it wasn't long drawn out drives that hurt us... It was Hopkins busting those long runs (couple were TD's) that were 1-3 plays into their posessions... If memory serves me correct over 50% of his yardage that night came on 3 or so plays??


That is correct CC and thats what we need to limit, is the big long runs. If we can do that enough, then we can force them into long 3rd downs and force them to pass the ball, which apparently isnt something they do well, or even like to do alot.

I think ultimately, if we give up some yards, but limit the points (as we have done most of the year) then we will be fine, of course we ourselves have to score as well and I think that wont be a problem this week.

[slcdragonfan]

If you think back to last years game, it wasn't long drawn out drives that hurt us... It was Hopkins busting those long runs (couple were TD's) that were 1-3 plays into their posessions... If memory serves me correct over 50% of his yardage that night came on 3 or so plays??

That MUST NOT HAPPEN this game, for many reasons beyond the obvious. To think a deep P/O run, that cannot be a flaw. In fact, the NS game made me feel better about this as NS had two outstanding backs and two outstanding O-Linemen and we still did ok holding their scoring. However, NS seems to have a propensity to make mistakes; I doubt Marcus will be fumbling much. The balancing part of that though, is I expect our O to show up big, and the Marcus defense would be hard-pressed to be as good as the NS defense.

Just the 3rd great game in a row. :notworthy Love these big games....

[Marcus Fan]

This one lonely Marcus fan can't keep up with all you Dragon lovers.. Your wearing me out.

[drgnbkr]

This one lonely Marcus fan can't keep up with all you Dragon lovers.. Your wearing me out.

Kill the will!:D

[Marcus Fan]

Kill the will!:D

My will and the team's will are two different things.
Looking forward to a really good high school football game. Now if the traffic on 114 and Hwy 26 would behave it would make the night even better..

[dragonsdaddy]

My will and the team's will are two different things.
Looking forward to a really good high school football game. Now if the traffic on 114 and Hwy 26 would behave it would make the night even better..

if you go around the lake thru roannoke/northlake to 114, traffic will likely be much better. christinas in trophy club is a nice reststop anyway.

[SLC]

This one lonely Marcus fan can't keep up with all you Dragon lovers.. Your wearing me out.


We are relentless, quick, fast, punishing, physical, never say die, never give up and can hurt you many different ways.


And the 5A posting team is pretty good as well.:)

[JagFan]

I had lunch with Wasson, Erwin, Brazile, MBride and the other 2 guys(sory I don't know names) at Fudrucker's in Grapevine today. Well they had lunch together and I had lunch with my wife and daughter. Mrs 0316 works at home on Wednesday and we always go there. Starting last year, all the 6-5A coaches meet there at 11:00 AM on Wednesday as well. It is neat to see them sit together and talk like the best of friends. It is a wild color scheme too. Green, red, maroon, red, black and blue. Despite my wanting to pull up a chair right beside them, Mrs 0316 insists we sit in our normal table across the room. Of course there is the occassional meeting at the condiment station:D.

Can't wait for Friday.

The other two were Coach Cody Vanderford from Flower Mound and Coach Olin from Lewisville. I know Vanderford and Wasson go way back to their younger coaching days and Vanderford and Brazil are long time friends as well. I have always heard that this group of coaches are really good friends and good men as well.

[biggolfdad]

SLC takes this one..

;)

[DragonFan0316]

The other two were Coach Cody Vanderford from Flower Mound and Coach Olin from Lewisville. I know Vanderford and Wasson go way back to their younger coaching days and Vanderford and Brazil are long time friends as well. I have always heard that this group of coaches are really good friends and good men as well.

Sorry I didn't know Olin and Vanderford. They are all good folks. Vanderford saw my wife in here Dragon T-shirt and thanked her for her support of HS football. Now that is class. Hope this district stays together. I like all the coaches and since bonding with Coppell last week all of the fans.

[CCCSportsFan]

if you go around the lake thru roannoke/northlake to 114, traffic will likely be much better. christinas in trophy club is a nice reststop anyway.

So is the one about 1/2 mile from Dragon Stadium :D

[JagFan]

Sorry I didn't know Olin and Vanderford. They are all good folks. Vanderford saw my wife in here Dragon T-shirt and thanked her for her support of HS football. Now that is class. Hope this district stays together. I like all the coaches and since bonding with Coppell last week all of the fans.

I can see Coach Vanderford doing that. He is a very classy man. He genuinely loves HS football.
I have been around Vanderford for 6 years and have never heard him speak badly about any other coach or team. We are blessed in this district with coaches and fans and especially our wonderful athletes:)

[dragonbuck]

Assuming Flower Mound wins this week vs Lewisville, Next week will be the 4th game in a row where Carroll has faced a team with one loss or less. NS was 3-1, Coppell was 5-0, FMM is 4-1, and FM will be 6-1. That is a combined 18-3. What a tough stretch for the Dragons! Then the Halloween thriller with Hebron. No rest for the weary.
Come playoffs, the Dragons will be battle tested for sure.

[15Adragon]

Weather looks PERFECT!

7 pm

http://i.imwx.com/web/common/wxicons/45/31.gif

64°F
Clear

0%
56%
From NNE
6 mph

[green day]

Picks to click, week # 7, appreciative of the 15A Dragon weather report

Offense- Senior WR Alex Parente- he continues to develop into a quality receiver at the varsity level, I'm betting Marcus defenders will have plenty of chances to Meet this Parente

Defense- Senior S Clay McMillen- #20 hits like Luna, (on the gridiron, not diamond,) from a defensive standpoint, he will be a last line of defense if the ball carriers get thru. He'll be there.

Special teams- might be local medical professionals who help the ailing get ready, or the courageous mom's who we will all honor when we wear pink in support of Susan G Komen.

Last year's match was the most exciting win of the year, don't get caught hearing about this years' game from others

[dragonbuck]

Carroll 38, FMM 17

Carroll would score more, but the length of FMM's drives will limit the number of Carroll's possessions. Carroll will have only 2 punts and 428 yards of offense.

[Champion]

I predicted a big margin SLC win over N. Shore so I am not picking this game. Buckeye properly put me in my place and didn't take me serious.

[SLC]

I predicted a big margin SLC win over N. Shore so I am not picking this game. Buckeye properly put me in my place and didn't take me serious.


DBuck is a big ole meanie.:(

[farmerfan]

Carroll 70
Marcus 3

[dragonbuck]

I predicted a big margin SLC win over N. Shore so I am not picking this game. Buckeye properly put me in my place and didn't take me serious.

Champ,
didn't mean to kill the will. I was guilty of picking a Dragon victory against GPNS too. I didn't predict a blow out like you, but wrong is wrong, and we were that.

SLC, I may become a big 'ole meanie if we don't romp this weekend. But expect smiles from this Buckeye come 11PM tomorrow.