Celebration Penalities ???

[Texasfrog]

I dont know man. I dont know how some of the NCAA officials can look themselves in the mirror. Some of these flags for celebration seem totally off the hook. Total "GAME CHANGER" yellow flags.

PS. Georgia was totally robbed today by an INSANE FLAG for celebration.

[cougmantx]

Yeah, Georgia got robbed I think. It changed the whole momentum of the game. Of course, if Georgia had been able to stop LSU it wouldn't have made any difference but the penalty was nonsense as far as I'm concerned.

[mad_fan]

mad: Doctor, it hurts when I do this.
Doctor: mad, don't do that.
mad: Doctor, did you just make that rule up.
Doctor: mad, that rule was in place a the beginning of the season.
mad: F***. So I should stop doing that to myself?
Doctor: Probably.

[dada]

Where were the "Celebrations" in the UGA/LSU game? Pointing to the sky is against the rules now?

[Texasfrog]

Where were the "Celebrations" in the UGA/LSU game? Pointing to the sky is against the rules now?

I know man, plus when the Georgia WR caught that tough 1st down catch and came up tapping his chest and trying to get the fans fired up. The official right there throws a flag for unsportsmanship ???? GIVE ME A BREAK.

Like I said, I really dont know how some of these officials look themselves in the mirror after a game.

[mad_fan]

Where were the "Celebrations" in the UGA/LSU game? Pointing to the sky is against the rules now?

Yes. In college football, polling locations, and public schools.

[Point Made...]

Where were the "Celebrations" in the UGA/LSU game? Pointing to the sky is against the rules now?

Coming soon to a church near you!...:D

It all started with the same idiot that introduced this country to the terms "political" and "correctedness" w...t...f? :rolleyes:

[Hoodleboy80]

I know man, plus when the Georgia WR caught that tough 1st down catch and came up tapping his chest and trying to get the fans fired up. The official right there throws a flag for unsportsmanship ???? GIVE ME A BREAK.

Like I said, I really dont know how some of these officials look themselves in the mirror after a game.

Ah, you were referring to the LSU game, who woulda thought!?

[b756561]

mad: Doctor, it hurts when I do this.
Doctor: mad, don't do that.
mad: Doctor, did you just make that rule up.
Doctor: mad, that rule was in place a the beginning of the season.
mad: F***. So I should stop doing that to myself?
Doctor: Probably.

Very good mad_fan, but many of these readers won't see it that way. It is UNSPORTSMANSHIP and it SHOULD be flagged MUCH more often than it is. What happened to old fashioned good sportsmanship. Some how we have turned it from a team sport into an "it's all about me" activity. Yes there should be excitement and there should be celebrations. But those celebrations should be done on the sidelines and AFTER the game, not on the field where you are rubbing it in to the other team.

I keep thinking back to the days of Tom Landry. He benched his star linebacker because he dunked the ball over the goalpost after he had scored on an interception return. Today, they do somersaults in the endzone and run by the opposing sidelines taunting the losing team. Yeah boy, that there's real sportmanship. It's a bunch of spoiled brats. The UIL, the NCAA and the NFL should start making an example of these showboats and that would stop most of this needless unsportsmanship. I stopped watching the NFL several years ago because of this exact problem. There they do it because of ratings however that does not mean the UIL and the NCAA should put up with it.

My opinion and most likely no one else's. I know, I see things the way they were back in the dark ages.

[Firebird]

Very good mad_fan, but many of these readers won't see it that way. It is UNSPORTSMANSHIP and it SHOULD be flagged MUCH more often than it is. What happened to old fashioned good sportsmanship. Some how we have turned it from a team sport into an "it's all about me" activity. Yes there should be excitement and there should be celebrations. But those celebrations should be done on the sidelines and AFTER the game, not on the field where you are rubbing it in to the other team.

I keep thinking back to the days of Tom Landry. He benched his star linebacker because he dunked the ball over the goalpost after he had scored on an interception return. Today, they do somersaults in the endzone and run by the opposing sidelines taunting the losing team. Yeah boy, that there's real sportmanship. It's a bunch of spoiled brats. The UIL, the NCAA and the NFL should start making an example of these showboats and that would stop most of this needless unsportsmanship. I stopped watching the NFL several years ago because of this exact problem. There they do it because of ratings however that does not mean the UIL and the NCAA should put up with it.

My opinion and most likely no one else's. I know, I see things the way they were back in the dark ages.

The problem is that it's so freaking subjective and there is no rhyme or reason to why or when it gets called. It's up to every ref to decide what he think constitutes "excessive" celebration. You saw the same behavior all of the country on national TV and no zebra thought about pulling their flag. But the guy at UGA did, and on game-changing plays. I'd have less of a problem if it was consistent and clearly defined. Although in all honesty, this is a freaking game and should be fun. As long as you aren't being overtly rude to the other team, you should be able to celebrate doing something good.

[b756561]

I know man, plus when the Georgia WR caught that tough 1st down catch and came up tapping his chest and trying to get the fans fired up. The official right there throws a flag for unsportsmanship ???? GIVE ME A BREAK.

Like I said, I really dont know how some of these officials look themselves in the mirror after a game.

Give the refs a break. They are there to enforce the rules of the game. Don't like the rules, get the rules changed, but don't blame the refs for doing their job. That's like getting mad at the policeman for pulling you over because you don't like the law you just broke. He didn't write the rule, he's just there to enforce the rules, all of them, even the ones you don't like. Follow the rules and the Refs will never throw the flag against you. Break the rules and expect the yellow hanky to be tossed. What's the problem there? Oh wait, I see, the Refs shouldn't enforce that rule against yourteam, since you don't LIKE the rule, but if he sees holding or any other offense against the opposing team, he'd better throw that flag before the offense is even committed. Yeah, ok, that's fair. Why haven't I thought about that for my team? :notworthy

[b756561]

The problem is that it's so freaking subjective and there is no rhyme or reason to why or when it gets called. It's up to every ref to decide what he think constitutes "excessive" celebration. You saw the same behavior all of the country on national TV and no zebra thought about pulling their flag. But the guy at UGA did, and on game-changing plays. I'd have less of a problem if it was consistent and clearly defined. Although in all honesty, this is a freaking game and should be fun. As long as you aren't being overtly rude to the other team, you should be able to celebrate doing something good.

It is subjective, I'll give you that. However if the UIL and the NCAA would make a major push for the refs to stop that type activity, it would stop and I mean fast. Once the coach's see two or three 15 yard penalties and maybe a couple of ejections to their star players, how long do you think THEY would allow their players to do that stuff? The players only do it because they think they will get by with it even though they know it is against the rules. Once the league decided to do something about spearing, they basically accomplished that goal in one season.

Have you ever watched the young football leagues games? Some of those boys are 9-10 years old. Watch them celebrate after they do something. Where do they get the idea to do those dances and things? They get them from watching their older brothers and the players in the older age groups. What type example are we setting for them. It's not all about you (that one player) it is supposed to be a game played by two teams. In a game you are supposed to show your sportsmanship by how you play the game. Being happy and jumping up and down is one thing, taunting and rubbing it in to the other team is quite something else. Calling attention to your play after the play is over, to me, is taunting and should be flagged as unsportsmanlike activity.

Again though, I'm old fashioned. I know today it is all about the individual, no matter how it is perceived by the other team. "Hey man, it's all about me." "See how great I am." "Did you see how great I did on that play." "I'm the man."

[Firebird]

It is subjective, I'll give you that. However if the UIL and the NCAA would make a major push for the refs to stop that type activity, it would stop and I mean fast. Once the coach's see two or three 15 yard penalties and maybe a couple of ejections to their star players, how long do you think THEY would allow their players to do that stuff? The players only do it because they think they will get by with it even though they know it is against the rules. Once the league decided to do something about spearing, they basically accomplished that goal in one season.

Have you ever watched the young football leagues games? Some of those boys are 9-10 years old. Watch them celebrate after they do something. Where do they get the idea to do those dances and things? They get them from watching their older brothers and the players in the older age groups. What type example are we setting for them. It's not all about you (that one player) it is supposed to be a game played by two teams. In a game you are supposed to show your sportsmanship by how you play the game. Being happy and jumping up and down is one thing, taunting and rubbing it in to the other team is quite something else. Calling attention to your play after the play is over, to me, is taunting and should be flagged as unsportsmanlike activity.

Again though, I'm old fashioned. I know today it is all about the individual, no matter how it is perceived by the other team. "Hey man, it's all about me." "See how great I am." "Did you see how great I did on that play." "I'm the man."

Which is pretty much what happened today at the UGA--LSWho game. And I'll say it again, I would a whole lot rather see youth football players having a good time, doing dances and stuff, than I would see them take this game too seriously. You play games because they are fun. I think taking games and your ability to play them too seriously has done far more damage to the sport and to youngsters' lives than end-zone celebration. I'm not at all in favor of taunting or acting like a jerk. But that didn't happen in the UGA game.

[b756561]

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It is subjective, I'll give you that...... In a game you are supposed to show your sportsmanship by how you play the game. Being happy and jumping up and down is one thing, taunting and rubbing it in to the other team is quite something else. Calling attention to your play after the play is over, to me, is taunting and should be flagged as unsportsmanlike activity.

Again though, I'm old fashioned. I know today it is all about the individual, no matter how it is perceived by the other team. "Hey man, it's all about me." "See how great I am." "Did you see how great I did on that play." "I'm the man."

Which is pretty much what happened today at the UGA--LSWho game..... I'm not at all in favor of taunting or acting like a jerk. But that didn't happen in the UGA game.

Please see underlined sentence in my previous statement.

[Hoodleboy80]

Which is pretty much what happened today at the UGA--LSWho game. And I'll say it again, I would a whole lot rather see youth football players having a good time, doing dances and stuff, than I would see them take this game too seriously. You play games because they are fun. I think taking games and your ability to play them too seriously has done far more damage to the sport and to youngsters' lives than end-zone celebration. I'm not at all in favor of taunting or acting like a jerk. But that didn't happen in the UGA game.

LSwho? I'm sorry sir, we're are a program that has won two national championships over the past 6 years. You never heard about them? If not, let me, or any other collegiate football fan, inform you.

[Firebird]

LSwho? I'm sorry sir, we're are a program that has won two national championships over the past 6 years. You never heard about them? If not, let me, or any other collegiate football fan, inform you.

I did not realize that. Please kind sir tell me more about the Bayou Bengals.

[Hoodleboy80]

I did not realize that. Please kind sir tell me more about the Bayou Bengals.

I know you're smart enough to learn on your own;)

[Firebird]

I know you're smart enough to learn on your own;)

Aren't they famous for having a woman named Leslie as their general manager?

[Hoodleboy80]

Aren't they famous for having a woman named Leslie as their general manager?

Exactly, what an observation. Right beneath the two BCS National Championship rings.

Sorry, not trying to be a d**k, just had a drink or two in me, sorry Firebird, understand you're just kidding around, keep on fellow football fans.

[Firebird]

Exactly, what an observation. Right beneath the two BCS National Championship rings.

Whatever, I'm not really a big hockey fan.

[PeterGibbons]

It is subjective, I'll give you that. However if the UIL and the NCAA would make a major push for the refs to stop that type activity, it would stop and I mean fast. Once the coach's see two or three 15 yard penalties and maybe a couple of ejections to their star players, how long do you think THEY would allow their players to do that stuff? The players only do it because they think they will get by with it even though they know it is against the rules. Once the league decided to do something about spearing, they basically accomplished that goal in one season.

Have you ever watched the young football leagues games? Some of those boys are 9-10 years old. Watch them celebrate after they do something. Where do they get the idea to do those dances and things? They get them from watching their older brothers and the players in the older age groups. What type example are we setting for them. It's not all about you (that one player) it is supposed to be a game played by two teams. In a game you are supposed to show your sportsmanship by how you play the game. Being happy and jumping up and down is one thing, taunting and rubbing it in to the other team is quite something else. Calling attention to your play after the play is over, to me, is taunting and should be flagged as unsportsmanlike activity.

Again though, I'm old fashioned. I know today it is all about the individual, no matter how it is perceived by the other team. "Hey man, it's all about me." "See how great I am." "Did you see how great I did on that play." "I'm the man."

you're an idiot, obviously you didn't watch the game, AJ Green was celebrating WITH HIS TEAM after he made an AMAZING catch for the TD that could have potentially won the game! There was NO TAUNTING of the other team nor was there EXCESSIVE celebration!! Heck, if I made that catch I'd have done a heckuva lot more than that!!

Then after the LSU kid scored the winning TD and celebrated THE REFS FLAGGED HIM TOO!!!!

SEC refs are the worst at throwing these stupid flags! Remember when Vanderbilt nearly beat Florida in the swamp a couple years ago and the refs screwed them too?!? The refs changed the game! Their job is to OFFICIATE THE DAMN GAME not change the outcome of the game!!

Let the KIDS PLAY!!! LET THEM HAVE FUN!!! These old man refs seem to have forgotten these are still 18-22 year old KIDS.

The SEC is trying WAYYYYY too hard to be like the NFL... the No Fun League!! At least they allow teams to celebrate together.

[steeler 01]

you're an idiot, obviously you didn't watch the game, AJ Green was celebrating WITH HIS TEAM after he made an AMAZING catch for the TD that could have potentially won the game! There was NO TAUNTING of the other team nor was there EXCESSIVE celebration!! Heck, if I made that catch I'd have done a heckuva lot more than that!!

Then after the LSU kid scored the winning TD and celebrated THE REFS FLAGGED HIM TOO!!!!

SEC refs are the worst at throwing these stupid flags! Remember when Vanderbilt nearly beat Florida in the swamp a couple years ago and the refs screwed them too?!? The refs changed the game! Their job is to OFFICIATE THE DAMN GAME not change the outcome of the game!!

Let the KIDS PLAY!!! LET THEM HAVE FUN!!! These old man refs seem to have forgotten these are still 18-22 year old KIDS.

The SEC is trying WAYYYYY too hard to be like the NFL... the No Fun League!! At least they allow teams to celebrate together.
It does seem like SEC officials like to determine the outcome in games. Hell they even make tackles.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcdWdBgUBqw

[TXMike]

Part of the issue here is that many assume they have seen all that happened when they watch the TV coverage. That is simply a false assumption. The directors switch from camera to camera especially after a score so there is a chance a player did something you did not see. The officials however are not switching their looks. In fact, they are trained to keep their eyes on the scoring player after a score and to move to him quickly in order to try to prevent any unsportsmanlike act. I suspect in the LSU-GA game, there may have been acts we did not see on TV.

The supervisor of officials in the SEC is the NCAA Rules Editor. He sits in the NCAA Rules Committee meeting and knows what the committee wants with regard to this foul and others. He beats that into his crew's heads week in and week out. If they flagged it, you can rest assured it is because they saw something that he specifically told them to look for.

[cajun]

I suspect in the LSU-GA game, there may have been acts we did not see on TV.



Very true, BUT just because they throw a Celebration Flag (which I've seen hundreds of times elsewhere) doesn't mean the other teams get an automatic TD on the next series...

Sheesh, talk about some crybabies..

[twcpfan1]

Very true, BUT just because they throw a Celebration Flag (which I've seen hundreds of times elsewhere) doesn't mean the other teams get an automatic TD on the next series...

Sheesh, talk about some crybabies..

except they only needed a FG so the 15 yds was big. Totally had to alter what UGA did on D.

[cajun]

except they only needed a FG so the 15 yds was big. Totally had to alter what UGA did on D.

Giving up a 40 yard kick-off return didn't help either..

BS...FG's aren't 100 percent either...

That's not the point anyways...Most everyone on the planet knows you take a big risk anywhere doing the "Celebration" thing..That why kids always look at the refs after they celebrate...Did they do too much, just enough to get away with it, way out of line?...Why take a chance, celebrate after the game...That goes for LSU also...

[twcpfan1]

Giving up a 40 yard kick-off return didn't help either..

BS...FG's aren't 100 percent either...

That's not the point anyways...Most everyone on the planet knows you take a big risk anywhere doing the "Celebration" thing..That why kids always look at the refs after they celebrate...Did they do too much, just enough to get away with it, way out of line?...Why take a chance, celebrate after the game...That goes for LSU also...

Thanks for making my point. Kickoff probably would have gone into the endzone. Good chance they Restart from the 20.

Have you ever played sports? In that situation, how many could have adhered to those excessive celebration rules given the circumstances? It's not chess.

[cajun]

Thanks for making my point. Kickoff probably would have gone into the endzone. Good chance they Restart from the 20.

Have you ever played sports? In that situation, how many could have adhered to those excessive celebration rules given the circumstances? It's not chess.

My sports playing has nothing to do with nothing..

You "celebrate" you take a chance!...That's the only point I made and the only point period...

I also play chess..

Your "whatifs" and "probably" don't mean squat...

[TXMike]

Thanks for making my point. Kickoff probably would have gone into the endzone. Good chance they Restart from the 20.

Have you ever played sports? In that situation, how many could have adhered to those excessive celebration rules given the circumstances? It's not chess.
I played HS and college football in the early 70's And even in those "liberal" days, I do not recall anyone feeling the need to make gestures and signals to the stands

[b756561]

you're an idiot, .

Thank you for your most astute observation. Perhaps you are a very perceptive individual, although I do doubt that as I have read your post inter vivos. More likely you are just another one of those obtuse individuals with a very intumescence sense of self worth as only you and my wife call me by that insidious invective.

I wouldn't expect someone of your limited intelligence to actually know the factual meanings of the language you use. For your information, as it is obvious your knowledge here, as elsewhere, is inordinately lacking, the original Greek definition of an "IDIOT" is someone who is eligible to vote but does not do so. Again you would be mistaken here also as I have a long list of voting and of public service. I'm not sure how my voting record has any significance to the unsportsmanship call in the LSU/Georgia game.

Have a nice day and please, don't try to do anything that requires a modicum of intelligence. Most likely you can't even micturate without getting it on yourself. :D

[dada]

Taunting should be a penalty.

Celebrating should not.

[tayb]

I think they should penalize teams for scoring touchdowns; it's demoralizing to the other team that DIDN'T score. I think a personal foul and a 15 yard penalty is in order anytime a team scores an offensive touchdown. There should be no celebrating when you score a touchdown, it's just plan unsportsmanlike to be excited about scoring. It's downright shameful to score in the first place much less celebrating about it? Just ridiculous. The referees need to get a hold of the game before it gets too far out of hand, if that hasn't happened already. We have to think about the sanctity of the game here, fellas. There is no celebration in football just as there is no crying in baseball. Walk with your head down back to the bench if you scores a touchdown because you just shamed your University.

[dada]

Question...is the Lambeau leap a penalty?

[dada]

If Georgua knew how to tackle and LSU won this on a FG. I think this would be a bigger deal. Green just made a great catch......under a minute to go in a big game...to be honest....where was the celebration? I saw some linemen run up to him and bump him while he was trying to leave the field. Unsportsman like???

Then the RB from LSU scores.....points to the sky.....Unsportsman like???

I don't get it. Sure, the "Old heads' will say, "Act like you've been their before", but come on, there has to be a line between celebrating and taunting.

[PeterGibbons]

I think they should penalize teams for scoring touchdowns; it's demoralizing to the other team that DIDN'T score. I think a personal foul and a 15 yard penalty is in order anytime a team scores an offensive touchdown. There should be no celebrating when you score a touchdown, it's just plan unsportsmanlike to be excited about scoring. It's downright shameful to score in the first place much less celebrating about it? Just ridiculous. The referees need to get a hold of the game before it gets too far out of hand, if that hasn't happened already. We have to think about the sanctity of the game here, fellas. There is no celebration in football just as there is no crying in baseball. Walk with your head down back to the bench if you scores a touchdown because you just shamed your University.

:notworthy Well put, they should just quit keeping score, it's too demoralizing to the other team

[cajun]

For the "celebration freaks"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFrMSzoLXIU

[farmerfan]

Georgia has this to blame on their first half performance. 1 first down and 46 yards of total offense not going to be good enough to win. In fact Georgia kept off the scoreboard through 3 quarters of play. If they would have taken care of business then this would not have been an issue to begin with. Georgia also has to realize that they will be watched a lot closer now under CMR since the Florida incident 2 years ago when the whole team went out to celebrate. CMR teams typical are heavily penalzied and they have a reputation of "excessive celebration". Fact is Georgia should have played the 1st 3 quarters like they did the 4th and this discussion would not be going on.

[78 Spartan]

Looked like a bogus flag to me too, but let's not assume that changed the outcome of the game.

Scott's 33 yard TD run would easily have been six had it been from 48 yards out. He burst through the line, ran past the strong safety at the 25, and beat the free safety to the end zone easily.

[Hoodleboy80]

For the "celebration freaks"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFrMSzoLXIU

LMAO:notworthy....interesting attempt at the robot

[farmerfan]

Looked like a bogus flag to me too, but let's not assume that changed the outcome of the game.

Scott's 33 yard TD run would easily have been six had it been from 48 yards out. He burst through the line, ran past the strong safety at the 25, and beat the free safety to the end zone easily.

bottom line is LSU simply outplayed UGA and deserved to win that game.
You make a good point about Scotts TD run. Yes both celebration flags were probably bogus but IMO it had no effect on the outcome of the game.

[WestPlano006]

I don't mind LSU, but Les Miles is a Heauxmeaux.

[Firebird]

Thought I'd point out here that yesterday the SEC announced that UGA should not have been flagged. But that won't satisfy the folks demanding a no-fun zone in college football.

[farmerfan]

Thought I'd point out here that yesterday the SEC announced that UGA should not have been flagged. But that won't satisfy the folks demanding a no-fun zone in college football.

Saw that too. Urban Meyer even came out and voiced his opinion on the matter tooSuppoesdly the back judge that threw the flag has been beating himself up over the call. Still wish UGA would have played a full 4 quarter game instead of farting around on offense for the better part of 2+ quarters.

http://www.ajc.com/sports/uga/meyers-take-on-uga-155366.html

[PeterGibbons]

Saw that too. Urban Meyer even came out and voiced his opinion on the matter tooSuppoesdly the back judge that threw the flag has been beating himself up over the call. Still wish UGA would have played a full 4 quarter game instead of farting around on offense for the better part of 2+ quarters.

http://www.ajc.com/sports/uga/meyers-take-on-uga-155366.html

He doesn't have to do that, there are PLENTY of fans willing to do that for him!!

He's probably been beating himself up b/c of the outlash about it. I seriously doubt it's b/c he had some come to Jesus moment about it! I mean, the guy issued a statement after the game justifying why he made the call. This is all just a PR move on his part.

I'm guessing his name address and phone # have been posted on the Dawgvent a few times already... they have a tendency to do that kind of thing for officials who blatently blow calls.

With that said, I'm not going to blame the Georgia loss totally on the official, this is more Willie Martinez's fault for NOT TEACHING HIS PLAYERS HOW TO WRAP UP!!! This has happened way to much over the last 2 years.

But, the call was awful. Too many people here claim if they throw enough flags then eventually they will stop... Well, how about the SEC start SUSPENDING officials who blow calls like this and see how quick they are to throw the celebration flag?!?