Does usc

[shs13]

jump texas after this win to number 2?

[Firebird]

Shouldn't. Barkley played a great game, but having a true freshman at QB will, I think, still lead directly to at least one loss. Right now I don't see a loss on Texas' schedule. I have Cal circled for USC.

[steeler 01]

Shouldn't. Barkley played a great game, but having a true freshman at QB will, I think, still lead directly to at least one loss. Right now I don't see a loss on Texas' schedule. I have Cal circled for USC.

Hardest game on SC's schedule including OSU IMO.

[shs13]

Shouldn't. Barkley played a great game, but having a true freshman at QB will, I think, still lead directly to at least one loss. Right now I don't see a loss on Texas' schedule. I have Cal circled for USC.

i was thinking they shoudnt either i hope alot of people didnt see the game ut had today haa

[tayb]

Had they destroyed Ohio State they probably would have but a come from behind win with 50 seconds remaining probably won't get it done. Not that it would really matter anyways. I would prefer Texas to not be sitting at the #2 spot to be perfectly honest.

[SLC]

No.

[yankee]

common logic says no....but when you combine usc, the media and polls...who knows what the hell can happen.

in the end, it's just a poll though.

[twcpfan1]

common logic says no....but when you combine usc, the media and polls...who knows what the hell can happen.

in the end, it's just a poll though.

Unfortunately, in College football, it's what decides NC's. Peoples opinion.

As for the thread question, I do not think they should be moved ahead of Texas. At this point, I'm not even sure if USC is the better team in neutral territory. Plus they did not blow tOSU out like people were predicting.

[slorch]

jump texas after this win to number 2?

We think so.

signed,
the crew at ESPN

[mad_fan]

USC went out and did what they were supposed to do against a top-10 opponent...
Texas screwed around for a half a game against a team without 1 AP vote...
If it were the other way around...I'd love to read those posts...:)
Scheduling matters...especially in a human poll...

[tayb]

Put USC in front of Texas. It doesn't matter. Texas plays better without the weight of the world on their shoulders anyways.

[Point Made...]

USC went out and did what they were supposed to do against a top-10 opponent...
Texas screwed around for a half a game against a team without 1 AP vote...
If it were the other way around...I'd love to read those posts...:)
Scheduling matters...especially in a human poll...


Dude,

Lay off the blunt, it's affecting your ability to think rationally...

wUS-C didn't have much in the form of competition.

[steeler 01]

Dude,

Lay off the blunt, it's affecting your ability to think rationally...

wUS-C didn't have much in the form of competition.

LMAO............... You're a complete buffoon. I guess OSU is only great competition when facing Texas.:rolleyes:

[mad_fan]

Dude,

Lay off the blunt, it's affecting your ability to think rationally...

wUS-C didn't have much in the form of competition.

At least I know I don't need to share...:rolleyes:

[mad_fan]

LMAO............... You're a complete buffoon. I guess OSU is only great competition when facing Texas.:rolleyes:

Now that Houston is behind them...:rolleyes:

[Point Made...]

LMAO............... You're a complete buffoon. I guess OSU is only great competition when facing Texas.:rolleyes:



Nah numb nuts...even then their still no competition. :D

[yankee]

Nah numb nuts...even then their still no competition. :D

you're an idiot.
many on here prior to the bcs game about 9 months ago against ohio state didn't give them a chance in hell of beating texas. last time i checked, osu was winning the football game with about 17 seconds or so to play. try again...

[Dawg Fan]

LMAO............... You're a complete buffoon. I guess OSU is only great competition when facing Texas.:rolleyes:


You mean the same Ohio State that needed a run back of a two point conversion to beat Navy at home?:rolleyes:

[steeler 01]

You mean the same Ohio State that needed a run back of a two point conversion to beat Navy at home?:rolleyes:

They didn't need that to win. They needed to stop them, they didn't need the run back. That's the same OSU that gave Texas fits last year, and split the home and home series with Texas.

[WestPlano006]

I predict no.....

[SLC]

i predict no.....


CtM

[HUM398]

They didn't need that to win. They needed to stop them, they didn't need the run back. That's the same OSU that gave Texas fits last year, and split the home and home series with Texas.

It's not the same OSU that gave Texas fits last year.

Depleted LB core, No Running back, and youth everywhere.

This is a much much more inexperienced bunch.

Same Colors, different team .

[Dawg Fan]

They didn't need that to win. They needed to stop them, they didn't need the run back. That's the same OSU that gave Texas fits last year, and split the home and home series with Texas.

last year...really...you are using past history to gauge this year? please

they didn't need the run back but they did need to stop that two point conversion to beat that powerhouse .....navy..... at home

your argument has no teeth. neither usc or ohio state looked like top 10 programs in that game

[pied]

They didn't need that to win. They needed to stop them, they didn't need the run back. That's the same OSU that gave Texas fits last year, and split the home and home series with Texas.

Just a point of reference on the same tOSU team. The year they beat texas in Austin it was Colt's second game as a collegiate and Terrell Pryor had just begun his Jr. year campaign. Matt Barkely was a soph. in HS, and VY was on his way to being Rookie of the Year. We were still a year away from SLC-MNW, and if memory serves, SLC was still scheduled to play DLS at that time.

Perhaps in retrospect, it's not quite the same team...

[BDB]

Nah numb nuts...even then their still no competition. :D

stop posting. you fail. close browser. diaf.

[steeler 01]

Just a point of reference on the same tOSU team. The year they beat texas in Austin it was Colt's second game as a collegiate and Terrell Pryor had just begun his Jr. year campaign. Matt Barkely was a soph. in HS, and VY was on his way to being Rookie of the Year. We were still a year away from SLC-MNW, and if memory serves, SLC was still scheduled to play DLS at that time.

Perhaps in retrospect, it's not quite the same team...

Same program:D

[steeler 01]

last year...really...you are using past history to gauge this year? please

they didn't need the run back but they did need to stop that two point conversion to beat that powerhouse .....navy..... at home

your argument has no teeth. neither usc or ohio state looked like top 10 programs in that game[/B]

History has proven that Texas doesn't have an easy time with OSU.

They struggled with Ohio last year you're point?

You're last argument means you're opinion has just been thrown out the window. Go sit and tell you're kids this baloney.

[mad_fan]

History has proven that Texas doesn't have an easy time with OSU.

They struggled with Ohio last year YOUR (you're) point?

YOUR (You're) last argument means YOUR (you're) opinion has just been thrown out the window. Go sit and tell YOUR (you're) kids this baloney.

See BOLD...

[Dawg Fan]

History has proven that Texas doesn't have an easy time with OSU.

They struggled with Ohio last year you're point?

You're last argument means you're opinion has just been thrown out the window. Go sit and tell you're kids this baloney.

you got nothing. Ohio State is overrated this year and the only history you need is the game the week before against Navy. Usc also is way over rated and they will soon have their patented loss to some unranked team to knock them out of the title race. LOL

[HUM398]

History has proven that Texas doesn't have an easy time with OSU.

They struggled with Ohio last year you're point?

You're last argument means you're opinion has just been thrown out the window. Go sit and tell you're kids this baloney.

History shows Texas has had problems with Ohio State, but using History as a guide to determine the capabilities of team this year is simply.....Stupid.

History unfortunately has no bearing on the outcomes of games now...none. Same program, yes. Same Team, no.

Ohio State is a team that has struggled with Navy, and lost to a USC team that will probably end up losing to someone like Oregon or Stanford. If anyone should of been able to rattle the cage of Freshman John Elway:rolleyes:.....it should of been Ohio State....on a good year. Ohio State will lose two big 10 games. Penn State, and Michigan.

[Point Made...]

stop posting. you fail. close browser. diaf.

Until you can start contributing some worthwhile material yourself "el prez de nada".. I wouldn't be so quick with the simpleton responses. :D

[svhorns]

stop posting. you fail. close browser. diaf.

awwww prez that's too cute.

[Firebird]

History shows Texas has had problems with Ohio State, but using History as a guide to determine the capabilities of team this year is simply.....Stupid.

History unfortunately has no bearing on the outcomes of games now...none. Same program, yes. Same Team, no.

Ohio State is a team that has struggled with Navy, and lost to a USC team that will probably end up losing to someone like Oregon or Stanford. If anyone should of been able to rattle the cage of Freshman John Elway:rolleyes:.....it should of been Ohio State....on a good year. Ohio State will lose two big 10 games. Penn State, and Michigan.

I've been trying to explain this to Lonny for a while now, maybe you can give it a shot?

[wide-e-wide]

You mean the same Ohio State that needed a run back of a two point conversion to beat Navy at home?:rolleyes:

This is what I was thinking. I don't care who you are....freaking NAVY shouldn't be that close to beating you if you're ranked #6 in the nation. The fact that they played USC that close let's me know that USC is overrated.....NOT....that tOSU is that good.

For the record....
I wasn't on this board before the Fiesta Bowl last year...but I never said that Texas was going to kill tOSU. I actually thought it would be a good game. No I didn't think/want it to be that close....just FWIW

[steeler 01]

History unfortunately has no bearing on the outcomes of games now...none. Same program, yes. Same Team, no.

Ohio State is a team that has struggled with Navy, and lost to a USC team that will probably end up losing to someone like Oregon or Stanford. If anyone should of been able to rattle the cage of Freshman John Elway:rolleyes:.....it should of been Ohio State....on a good year. Ohio State will lose two big 10 games. Penn State, and Michigan.

OSU struggled with Ohio(Navy is better) last year, and took the Horns down to the wire. I guess Texas was overrated then.:cool:

[BDB]

Until you can start contributing some worthwhile material yourself "el prez de nada".. I wouldn't be so quick with the simpleton responses. :D

.......uuuuuh yea no.

eabod then diaf

[HUM398]

OSU struggled with Ohio(Navy is better) last year, and took the Horns down to the wire. I guess Texas was overrated then.:cool:


08' tOSU had a legit top 10 defensive unit...the 09 team is inept on both sides of the ball......

to try and make a correlation between the 08 team and the 09 team based on a feeble comparison of close games between to ****** opponents is stupid. Both games outcomes (ohio vs OSU and 09 Navy vs. OSU) were the result of two entirely different game plans.

08 OSU had a noticeable strength on defense...in fact a respectable top 10 defense.

09 has shown to be mildly inconsistent on defense, and like wise on offense. The two teams differ significantly. OSU has a lot of questions to answer on defense, and that offense isn't ready to play the 08' defense responsibility of shouldering the load to wait for one side of the ball to catch up to speed.

Think what you want, but your history lesson falls flat on its face simply because it has NO bearing on today.

Yester-year's effort doesn't solidify todays outcome. If you ever played football, you'd know that.

[slorch]

I've been trying to explain this to Lonny for a while now, maybe you can give it a shot?

Vegas says: keep it quiet. There's plenty more besides Lonny...:D

[HUM398]

I've been trying to explain this to Lonny for a while now, maybe you can give it a shot?

Explaining simple truths to lonny is like training a cat to piss in a water bottle....

[steeler 01]

08' tOSU had a legit top 10 defensive unit...the 09 team is inept on both sides of the ball......

After two games you came up with this conclusion? I could have said the same thing last year after the OSU-SC game. They scored 3 points against SC and gave up 28 to the offense in a route. They scored 26 points against Ohio.

to try and make a correlation between the 08 team and the 09 team based on a feeble comparison of close games between to ****** opponents is stupid. Both games outcomes (ohio vs OSU and 09 Navy vs. OSU) were the result of two entirely different game plans.

To say the 08 team is stronger than the 09 is stupid. The 09 team has played two games.

08 OSU had a noticeable strength on defense...in fact a respectable top 10 defense.
You make the 09 defense sound like its a joke. The 08 OSU defense got shredded by SC last year to the tune of 28 points in 3 quarters. Had the game been close SC would have lit them up for more.

09 has shown to be mildly inconsistent on defense, and like wise on offense. The two teams differ significantly. OSU has a lot of questions to answer on defense, and that offense isn't ready to play the 08' defense responsibility of shouldering the load to wait for one side of the ball to catch up to speed.

After two games(I don't count D1AA victories as games) 09 OSU and 08 OSU aren't much different. Both lost to SC, and played in tight games against sub par opponents(Ohio and Navy). Hell 09 OSU played SC closer, you could easily say they're better.




^^

[HUM398]

^^

except that their is a noticable difference between last year and this year genius. The Defense is visibly depleted....The Questions that lurk now are not the questions that lurked last year.


as it stands now...with two games of knowledge...the 08' tOSU team was ahead of the 09 tOSU at the same point in the season.

[Point Made...]

.......uuuuuh yea no.

eabod then diaf


yeah, that's gay...translation Mas Puto! :D

[farmerfan]

USC does not belong in the top 20. Maybe they belong between 20-25 but I am still not so sure about that. They flat suck.

[steeler 01]

except that their is a noticable difference between last year and this year genius. The Defense is visibly depleted....The Questions that lurk now are not the questions that lurked last year.


as it stands now...with two games of knowledge...the 08' tOSU team was ahead of the 09 tOSU at the same point in the season.
How did you come to this conclusion? I didn't see a depleted OSU defense on Saturday. I did see their D get destroyed at the coliseum last year though.

Oh really? The question last year was can OSU win the big game, and they didn't, and they didn't this year either. The 08 OSU team beat Youngstown St. and struggled with Ohio. Youngstown St. isn't even a real game. A freakin division 1AA school. Ohio would be considered their 1st game, and SC their 2nd game, and after the SC game everyone thought they sucked.

Please try and refute this.

Your entire argument that OSU was better last year is because they played UT tough in the Fiesta bowl. Lets be honest. No one took OSU seriously last year prior to the Fiesta bowl.

[farmerfan]

No one took OSU seriously last year prior to the Fiesta bowl.

Truer words never said on this board.

[steeler 01]

Prior to the SC game last year.


Ohio State has looked mediocre so far, especially against Ohio, whereas USC stomped a hole in Virginia. USC has had an extra week to prepare, and is at home. I'll take USC, but I think Ohio State will play better than they have recently.

You beat me to it... Right on Q.. This OSU team will get run off the field by USC. :eek:

Ohio State fans have been crying about their horribly conservative play calling on both sides of the ball and their lack of speed... mainly directed at Hartline and Robiskie who don't have the speed to separate and at the LBs who have looked average. The announcers during the Ohio game even called out Animal Jr. for looking so bad. On top of that, look back at the LSU game last year to see how poorly Boeckman handles pressure.

Ohio State's defense will have to play big time just to keep this game manageable/close...

They play like they did against Ohio?





After the SC Game

I think last night proved beyond the shadow of a doubt that Ohio State is a joke and has no right playing with the big boys.

I love Hum's revisionist history.

[SLC]

Prior to the SC game last year.


After the SC Game



I love Hum's revisionist history.


So, was I right?:confused::D

[HUM398]

How did you come to this conclusion? I didn't see a depleted OSU defense on Saturday. I did see their D get destroyed at the coliseum last year though.

Oh really? The question last year was can OSU win the big game, and they didn't, and they didn't this year either. The 08 OSU team beat Youngstown St. and struggled with Ohio. Youngstown St. isn't even a real game. A freakin division 1AA school. Ohio would be considered their 1st game, and SC their 2nd game, and after the SC game everyone thought they sucked.

Please try and refute this.

Your entire argument that OSU was better last year is because they played UT tough in the Fiesta bowl. Lets be honest. No one took OSU seriously last year prior to the Fiesta bowl.

you aren't taking anything into perspective here.

1. Ohio State last season was facing a much more experienced USC offense. The QB has actually seen playing time...A Barkley led USC offense, doesn't equal a 08 USC offense...period. You can't expect that from a freshman QB to produce like Sanchez did last season.... So the fact that Ohio State held USC to 18 points isn't an argument...Pete Carrol didn't go into that game...with the same game plan as last year......on top of that, it was at the horse shoe...arguably one of the toughest places to play, especially at night.

2. Ohio States question last year was if they could win the big game, but that is more of a coaching question....not a very analytical way of devising questions about a capability of a team is it? No one goes out and recruits kids, and then later comes to the conclusion...."Hmmm...i don't think they are going to be able to win the big games". The Question presented from a schematic view was if their offense was going to be able to help that defense out. That Ohio State Defense was very experienced, and had been taking through the ringer....Seniors on that team had seen the likes of 05 Texas, 06 Florida, and 07 LSU.......that Defense was a legit top 10 defense, PERIOD. fast-forward to this year...Those players are gone, and the question marks at LB and and the Defensive line are prevalent. ....two very important units to a defense are inexperienced....and it showed against Navy and USC.

Fact remains is that tOSU is down this year...Their hopes ride on a Sophomore QB who they hope will be at least an OUNCE of what VY's jock strap was. They have the tools of offense, but they are tremendously young at QB.....which will prove to be the down fall of this team... They won't be able to outscore their opponents....and i have a feeling that teas like Michigan and Penn state have enough fire power to blow by them in a shoot out.


I still don't take OSU seriously.....even after the fiesta bowl. Texas played horrible the first half....especially defensively....10 out of 10 times however, i don't see Texas losing any of them.

[Firebird]

you aren't taking anything into perspective here.

1. Ohio State last season was facing a much more experienced USC offense. The QB has actually seen playing time...A Barkley led USC offense, doesn't equal a 08 USC offense...period. You can't expect that from a freshman QB to produce like Sanchez did last season.... So the fact that Ohio State held USC to 18 points isn't an argument...Pete Carrol didn't go into that game...with the same game plan as last year......on top of that, it was at the horse shoe...arguably one of the toughest places to play, especially at night.

2. Ohio States question last year was if they could win the big game, but that is more of a coaching question....not a very analytical way of devising questions about a capability of a team is it? No one goes out and recruits kids, and then later comes to the conclusion...."Hmmm...i don't think they are going to be able to win the big games". The Question presented from a schematic view was if their offense was going to be able to help that defense out. That Ohio State Defense was very experienced, and had been taking through the ringer....Seniors on that team had seen the likes of 05 Texas, 06 Florida, and 07 LSU.......that Defense was a legit top 10 defense, PERIOD. fast-forward to this year...Those players are gone, and the question marks at LB and and the Defensive line are prevalent. ....two very important units to a defense are inexperienced....and it showed against Navy and USC.

Fact remains is that tOSU is down this year...Their hopes ride on a Sophomore QB who they hope will be at least an OUNCE of what VY's jock strap was. They have the tools of offense, but they are tremendously young at QB.....which will prove to be the down fall of this team... They won't be able to outscore their opponents....and i have a feeling that teas like Michigan and Penn state have enough fire power to blow by them in a shoot out.


I still don't take OSU seriously.....even after the fiesta bowl. Texas played horrible the first half....especially defensively....10 out of 10 times however, i don't see Texas losing any of them.

Heads I win, tails you lose. This is garbage analysis. Texas plays great, that proves that OSU was overrated. OSU plays well, that's only proof that Texas played poorly. Fact is that OSU's defense slowed down Texas better than anyone else last year. I agree that they are down, but the way they punched Texas in the mouth should have been a wake up call to Big XII fans. It was to lots of us. 7/10 UT beats OSU, but just be glad it was Okie in the MNC and not you.

[tayb]

Heads I win, tails you lose. This is garbage analysis. Texas plays great, that proves that OSU was overrated. OSU plays well, that's only proof that Texas played poorly. Fact is that OSU's defense slowed down Texas better than anyone else last year. I agree that they are down, but the way they punched Texas in the mouth should have been a wake up call to Big XII fans. It was to lots of us. 7/10 UT beats OSU, but just be glad it was Okie in the MNC and not you.

I see no compelling argument as to why Texas would have fared worse against Florida than Oklahoma did. Why should we be glad? Texas beat Oklahoma by the same margin that Florida beat Oklahoma.

[Firebird]

I see no compelling argument as to why Texas would have fared worse against Florida than Oklahoma did. Why should we be glad? Texas beat Oklahoma by the same margin that Florida beat Oklahoma.

Texas was another high scoring, weak on defense Big XII team that would have been matched against a big, physical, SEC champ? Keep telling yourself that you were leaps and bounds better than Okie last year. That's why you lost to TTU.

[pied]

Heads I win, tails you lose. This is garbage analysis. Texas plays great, that proves that OSU was overrated. OSU plays well, that's only proof that Texas played poorly. Fact is that OSU's defense slowed down Texas better than anyone else last year. I agree that they are down, but the way they punched Texas in the mouth should have been a wake up call to Big XII fans. It was to lots of us. 7/10 UT beats OSU, but just be glad it was Okie in the MNC and not you.


I think I made that point at some point. Not making the Big XII title game the way we missed it, did suck but in the end we made out pretty well.

[pied]

Texas was another high scoring, weak on defense Big XII team that would have been matched against a big, physical, SEC champ? Keep telling yourself that you were leaps and bounds better than Okie last year. That's why you lost to TTU.

We were ten points better than ou on a neutral field. What was the FL-ou score again?

[tayb]

Texas was another high scoring, weak on defense Big XII team that would have been matched against a big, physical, SEC champ? Keep telling yourself that you were leaps and bounds better than Okie last year. That's why you lost to TTU.

Florida 24
Oklahoma 14
Florida + 10

Texas 45
Oklahoma 35
Texas + 10

Only other common opponent:
Texas 52
Arkansas 10

Florida 38
Arkansas 7
(Week following the "Tebow Speech")

Total Defense (2008)
Texas: 51st in the Nation
Oklahoma: 68th in the Nation

Scoring Defense (2008)
Texas: 18th in the Nation
Oklahoma: 58th in the Nation

What were you saying?

[Firebird]

We were ten points better than ou on a neutral field. What was the FL-ou score again?

Lonny would like to have a word with you about the transitive properties of football scores....

tayb-- ditto

[pied]

Lonny would like to have a word with you about the transitive properties of football scores....

tayb-- ditto


I don't speak nutbag.

[tayb]

Lonny would like to have a word with you about the transitive properties of football scores....

tayb-- ditto

Texas beat Oklahoma by the same margin Florida beat Oklahoma, Texas beat Arkansas by a larger margin than Florida beat Arkansas, and Texas had a better defense in 2008 than Oklahoma did especially in rushing and scoring (Florida put up 250 rushing yards against OU). Knowing all of that, why should Texas fans be glad we didn't get to play Florida? I'm really quite interested.

[Firebird]

Texas beat Oklahoma by the same margin Florida beat Oklahoma, Texas beat Arkansas by a larger margin than Florida beat Arkansas, and Texas had a better defense in 2008 than Oklahoma did especially in rushing and scoring (Florida put up 250 rushing yards against OU). Knowing all of that, why should Texas fans be glad we didn't get to play Florida? I'm really quite interested.

Yeah, but Texas lost to Tech by six who then lost to OU by 30 plus who then lost to Florida by 10.....:rolleyes:

Florida was a better, faster, stronger team than anyone in the Big XII last year. As pied will concede, things worked out well for Texas. You got to thump your chest over beating a Big Televen team that (paradoxically) you claim is overrated, and OU got to lose to the best team in the country. Win-win all around.

[tayb]

Yeah, but Texas lost to Tech by six who then lost to OU by 30 plus who then lost to Florida by 10.....:rolleyes:

Florida was a better, faster, stronger team than anyone in the Big XII last year. As pied will concede, things worked out well for Texas. You got to thump your chest over beating a Big Televen team that (paradoxically) you claim is overrated, and OU got to lose to the best team in the country. Win-win all around.

No, Florida was better, faster, and stronger than Oklahoma last year. They didn't play anyone else in the Big XII.

[pied]

Texas beat Oklahoma by the same margin Florida beat Oklahoma, Texas beat Arkansas by a larger margin than Florida beat Arkansas, and Texas had a better defense in 2008 than Oklahoma did especially in rushing and scoring (Florida put up 250 rushing yards against OU). Knowing all of that, why should Texas fans be glad we didn't get to play Florida? I'm really quite interested.

Because we were still be able to go to a BCS bowl, win finish as the #2 team in the nation, and finish #3 in the nation. To many in the National media we were the "screwed" team. Until we screw it up, it's good mojo to have. We should get the benefit of the doubt the next go round.

As fans, we can make claims, like FL did nothing more than we did(and losing on the road is better than lsing at home if you have to lose) and we should have been in the game because we beat ou earlier in the year.

For the most part the we gained points Nationally from this. Had we played FL, I think we had a real good shot, but the fact is we may have lost as well. No one will ever know, so it's hard for me to get too bent out of shape by it.

Hypothetical, two options:

A. Win Big XII title game against MU and lose to FL by 10.
B. Play Fiesta Bowl against tOSU and win, still being able to claim we were screwed.

[pied]

Yeah, but Texas lost to Tech by six who then lost to OU by 30 plus who then lost to Florida by 10.....

Florida was a better, faster, stronger team than anyone in the Big XII last year. As pied will concede, things worked out well for Texas. You got to thump your chest over beating a Big Televen team that (paradoxically) you claim is overrated, and OU got to lose to the best team in the country. Win-win all around.


I would phrase it differently, and not capitalize ou, but overall yeah....


I would also add FL lost to Wake Forest, Vanderbilt at home, before beating FL at the Swamp. The following week they lost to South Carolina.

I would argue, and think I have a compelling case that Tech was playing at a higher level at the time they played Texas than Ole Miss was when they played the Gators.

[tayb]

Because we were still be able to go to a BCS bowl, win finish as the #2 team in the nation, and finish #3 in the nation. To many in the National media we were the "screwed" team. Until we screw it up, it's good mojo to have. We should get the benefit of the doubt the next go round.

As fans, we can make claims, like FL did nothing more than we did(and losing on the road is better than lsing at home if you have to lose) and we should have been in the game because we beat ou earlier in the year.

For the most part the we gained points Nationally from this. Had we played FL, I think we had a real good shot, but the fact is we may have lost as well. No one will ever know, so it's hard for me to get too bent out of shape by it.

Hypothetical, two options:

A. Win Big XII title game against MU and lose to FL by 10.
B. Play Fiesta Bowl against tOSU and win, still being able to claim we were screwed.

Under the presumption that we lose that game, I'd much rather have choice B but we could have won the game. I'd rather have A and win a championship than B.

[steeler 01]

you aren't taking anything into perspective here.

1. Ohio State last season was facing a much more experienced USC offense. The QB has actually seen playing time...A Barkley led USC offense, doesn't equal a 08 USC offense...period. You can't expect that from a freshman QB to produce like Sanchez did last season.... So the fact that Ohio State held USC to 18 points isn't an argument...Pete Carrol didn't go into that game...with the same game plan as last year......on top of that, it was at the horse shoe...arguably one of the toughest places to play, especially at night.
Huh? You obviously know nothing about USC then. USC returned 10 starters this year. I will give you the game was played at OSU this year.

2. Ohio States question last year was if they could win the big game, but that is more of a coaching question....not a very analytical way of devising questions about a capability of a team is it? No one goes out and recruits kids, and then later comes to the conclusion...."Hmmm...i don't think they are going to be able to win the big games". The Question presented from a schematic view was if their offense was going to be able to help that defense out. That Ohio State Defense was very experienced, and had been taking through the ringer....Seniors on that team had seen the likes of 05 Texas, 06 Florida, and 07 LSU.......that Defense was a legit top 10 defense, PERIOD. fast-forward to this year...Those players are gone, and the question marks at LB and and the Defensive line are prevalent. ....two very important units to a defense are inexperienced....and it showed against Navy and USC.
What showed against Navy and USC? They allowed SC to score 18 points(7 were really the offenses fault). In essence they held SC's offense to 11 points and that shows a weakness? Any team would love to have that weak defense. The seniors on that defense had faced 06 Florida, and 07 LSU, and guess what happened to them? They gave up 30+ points in both of those games. 08 OSU had questions. Could their LB's cover in space. Of course I'm talking with a revisionist though.


Fact remains is that tOSU is down this year...Their hopes ride on a Sophomore QB who they hope will be at least an OUNCE of what VY's jock strap was. They have the tools of offense, but they are tremendously young at QB.....which will prove to be the down fall of this team... They won't be able to outscore their opponents....and i have a feeling that teas like Michigan and Penn state have enough fire power to blow by them in a shoot out.
Whose hopes do you think OSU was relying on last year during the season?


I still don't take OSU seriously.....even after the fiesta bowl. Texas played horrible the first half....especially defensively....10 out of 10 times however, i don't see Texas losing any of them.
They must have played horrible the 2nd half to, because Texas needed a last second TD to win.

^^

[pied]

Under the presumption that we lose that game, I'd much rather have choice B but we could have won the game. I'd rather have A and win a championship than B.

Did we have a better chance of beating FL or tOSU in January '08?

[tayb]

Did we have a better chance of beating FL or tOSU in January '08?

Not sure I understand what you are getting at with this. I don't think that is very relevant especially knowing the outcomes of all of the games.

[pied]

Not sure I understand what you are getting at with this. I don't think that is very relevant especially knowing the outcomes of all of the games.

ou was playing at their highest level late in the season and Fl was still favored. Texas paeked about midway, and I don;t know that anyone had a better run (playing at as high a level)than we had w/Colo/ou/Missouri. We started letting down w/Ok State.

Hard to see us being closer favorites than ou was in January, in fact I think we'd be probably 4-5 point underdogs had we played FL.

It was a much better wager that we'd beat tOSU and ou lose to FL than us beat FL.

Tha being said, I'd still take the horns over FL, but also say that as a raging homer.

[farmerfan]

Florida like USC last year was overrated. Thank God they didn't SUCK as bad as OU did though

[steeler 01]

Florida like USC last year was overrated. Thank God they didn't SUCK as bad as OU did though

I know there will be one poster that doesn't understand.;)

[hshs]

ou was playing at their highest level late in the season and Fl was still favored. Texas paeked about midway, and I don;t know that anyone had a better run (playing at as high a level)than we had w/Colo/ou/Missouri. We started letting down w/Ok State.

Hard to see us being closer favorites than ou was in January, in fact I think we'd be probably 4-5 point underdogs had we played FL.

It was a much better wager that we'd beat tOSU and ou lose to FL than us beat FL.

Tha being said, I'd still take the horns over FL, but also say that as a raging homer.

OU was not playing at their highest level going into that game. Nobody is at their highest level going into a January bowl game. The Bowl games are entirely artificial. Everyone had just got done with a month off at that point. In the NFL they talk about how much difference it is to have two weeks before the superbowl. Indianapolis struggled for years because they would throttle down in week 14 or 15 and then come out flat in the playoffs 3 weeks later. But somehow in college football we expect teams to take over a month off and be sharp.

So what happened in that game had nothing to do with how OU or Florida was playing in late November/early December. A month off removes all traces of momentum.

That game was about one thing, Florida was better. They were also probably better than Texas, but they sure didn't beat a streaking OU team in the 2nd week of January.

[pied]

Thanks Captain Obvious, didn't realize there was a month off....

In November and December ou failed to score less than 61 points, including games w/Nebraska, Tech, Ok State and Missouri. I'll stick with my statement that they were playing at their higher level of the season.

11/1 62-28
11/8 66-28
11/22 65-21
11/29 61-41
12/6 62-21

[steeler 01]

OU was not playing at their highest level going into that game. Nobody is at their highest level going into a January bowl game. The Bowl games are entirely artificial. Everyone had just got done with a month off at that point. In the NFL they talk about how much difference it is to have two weeks before the superbowl. Indianapolis struggled for years because they would throttle down in week 14 or 15 and then come out flat in the playoffs 3 weeks later. But somehow in college football we expect teams to take over a month off and be sharp.

So what happened in that game had nothing to do with how OU or Florida was playing in late November/early December. A month off removes all traces of momentum.

That game was about one thing, Florida was better. They were also probably better than Texas, but they sure didn't beat a streaking OU team in the 2nd week of January.
They would struggle because they would face New England in Foxboro. Did you forget the Denver games? They destroyed Denver twice I believe before getting throttled by N.E.

[hshs]

Thanks Captain Obvious, didn't realize there was a month off....

In November and December ou failed to score less than 61 points, including games w/Nebraska, Tech, Ok State and Missouri. I'll stick with my statement that they were playing at their higher level of the season.

11/1 62-28
11/8 66-28
11/22 65-21
11/29 61-41
12/6 62-21

Thank you for providing the dates. They better illustrate the point than the rambling I did in my prior post.

The point remains though that how many points OU scored on December 6 gives them no momentum in a January 8th game. If Florida had beaten OU on December 13 that would have been OU at their highest level.

But it is foolish to think that OU somehow carried momentum from november/early december into January.

[WestPlano006]

Big 12 should adopt the SEC way of scheduling a cupcake towards the end of the year, basically giving your starters a bye week.

[pied]

Thank you for providing the dates. They better illustrate the point than the rambling I did in my prior post.

The point remains though that how many points OU scored on December 6 gives them no momentum in a January 8th game. If Florida had beaten OU on December 13 that would have been OU at their highest level.

But it is foolish to think that OU somehow carried momentum from november/early december into January.

Would you rather have lost your last three games going into the bowl game or have won them?

Was Ole Miss playing better at the begnining of the season, losing to Vandy/Wake or towards the end of the season.

How do they come up with the point spreads for the bowl games? What do you base your picks on? Would you feel more comfortable picking the winner of the Miami-Florida State game the first game of the season or the National Title game where both teams have played 12-13 games?

[farmerfan]

Big 12 should adopt the SEC way of scheduling a cupcake towards the end of the year, basically giving your starters a bye week.

How would that have helped in the situation that we are discussing right now? :confused:

[hshs]

Would you rather have lost your last three games going into the bowl game or have won them?

Was Ole Miss playing better at the begnining of the season, losing to Vandy/Wake or towards the end of the season.

How do they come up with the point spreads for the bowl games? What do you base your picks on? Would you feel more comfortable picking the winner of the Miami-Florida State game the first game of the season or the National Title game where both teams have played 12-13 games?


The one month break removes momentum and leaves everyone almost starting from scratch. So the bowl games are more about the best team and the best coaching than who is hot. Florida was the better team so they won. It has nothing to do with OU scoring 60 all November.

[pied]

The one month break removes momentum and leaves everyone almost starting from scratch. So the bowl games are more about the best team and the best coaching than who is hot. Florida was the better team so they won. It has nothing to do with OU scoring 60 all November.

Was Texas out ou a better team in December? In November? In October?