Texas Tech @ Texas

[F18mustang]

rational tech fans is an oxymoron.

there must be something in the water over there that makes ANY call for the opposing team cheating, in their red and black shaded eyes.

there were plenty of no-calls on both sides of the ball. just that no other fan base complains about the refs as much as tceh does.

Its easier to see that through burnt orange t-shirt shaped glasses that light up.

[BDB]

Its easier to see that through burnt orange t-shirt shaped glasses that light up.

my glasses are red white and blue. go mustangs ;)

[svhorns]

Its easier to see that through burnt orange t-shirt shaped glasses that light up.

Aggy2009 is that you?

[wesaxman34]

um....no.... initial contact is what counts. if he would have hit helmet on shoulderpad then slip up to the helmet, it's not a penalty.

Yes, but he happened to unintentionally hit the football...what I'm saying is that he still lead with his helmet and hit Pott's helmet immediately after hitting the ball and nothing else....he didn't hit the shoulder pad. It should have at least be an incidental call.

[F18mustang]

Aggy2009 is that you?

Aggy doesn't like ritzy things. He wouldn't ever go for lights.

[wesaxman34]

And by the way, I'm just arguing about the call and not the outcome of the game...just making that clear.

[svhorns]

Dick Butkus and Jack Lambert would piss on this thread.

[BDB]

Yes, but he happened to unintentionally hit the football...what I'm saying is that he still lead with his helmet and hit Pott's helmet immediately after hitting the ball and nothing else....he didn't hit the shoulder pad. It should have at least be an incidental call.

how the hell do you know the intentions of kindle?

[svhorns]

Aggy doesn't like ritzy things. He wouldn't ever go for lights.

That's cute... you know what he likes... best friends now?

[NSMustangProud]

Ohhh it's been entertaining on the college board....first time over here....guess I'll get back to helping my siblings love one another again (I knew they should have both gone to Texas, but only one would take good advice)!

F18....you be good and move on to U of H next week....this game is over!

All in fun!

Hook Em!

[BDB]

Dick Butkus and Jack Lambert would piss on this thread.

he's not too happy with this thread, either.

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/life/1508-1.jpg

[Firebird]

The ref thing is a self-fulfilling prophecy. Tech fans all over the web have been talking about how the refs were going job them all week.

[F18mustang]

That's cute... you know what he likes... best friends now?

No. I know this because he went to Aggy.

[wesaxman34]

I think he hit the chinstrap, no?

And even when the slow motion replay occured, Kirk didn't even say anything. If it was a bad call him and Mush would have said something..they have before.

I think he hit he chinstrap and the helmet simultaneously...could be wrong. It's hard to tell.

If I remember correctly, Musberger did say something about it being a possible helmet to helmet.

[yankee]

Omg.

Final verdict on espn right now is possibly the gayest thing i've ever seen on television. Holy ****.

[BDB]

Omg.

Final verdict on espn right now is possibly the gayest thing i've ever seen on television. Holy ****.

can i get a synopsis. no tv where i am, right now.

[svhorns]

Omg.

Final verdict on espn right now is possibly the gayest thing i've ever seen on television. Holy ****.

agree.

[yankee]

can i get a synopsis. no tv where i am, right now.

rece davis dons a judge suit. you know, that big black dress. holtz and mark may line up behind "lawyer stands" and debate a case.


this week's "case" was whether tennesee got a moral victory this week.

this week's episode of final verdict was full of holtz sholbbering all over himself and may acting like a *******, and rece davis (who i normally like) banging a gavel and yelling "order order". holy hell. it can't get any cornier than that folks. /majorfacepalm. i seriosly felt embarrassed for them.

[wesaxman34]

how the hell do you know the intentions of kindle?

Because I asked him. ;)

Really, though...if he was going for the fumble, the most logical thing would be to use your hands. If he wanted to use his helmet to force a fumble, he more than likely would have bent over even more and put his all of his momentum into Pott's midsection...just common sense.

[SLC]

Ohhh it's been entertaining on the college board....first time over here....guess I'll get back to helping my siblings love one another again (I knew they should have both gone to Texas, but only one would take good advice)!

F18....you be good and move on to U of H next week....this game is over!

All in fun!

Hook Em!


Good night young lady!


Hook 'Em!

[BDB]

rece davis dons a judge suit. you know, that big black dress. holtz and mark may line up behind "lawyer stands" and debate a case.


this week's "case" was whether tennesee got a moral victory this week.

this week's episode of final verdict was full of holtz sholbbering all over himself and may acting like a *******, and rece davis (who i normally like) banging a gavel and yelling "order order". holy hell. it can't get any cornier than that folks. /majorfacepalm. i seriosly felt embarrassed for them.

wow..... did will farrell atleast show up?

[F18mustang]

rece davis dons a judge suit. you know, that big black dress. holtz and mark may line up behind "lawyer stands" and debate a case.


this week's "case" was whether tennesee got a moral victory this week.

this week's episode of final verdict was full of holtz sholbbering all over himself and may acting like a *******, and rece davis (who i normally like) banging a gavel and yelling "order order". holy hell. it can't get any cornier than that folks. /majorfacepalm. i seriosly felt embarrassed for them.

We really need a good college football show.

[yankee]

wow..... did will farrell atleast show up?

one could only wish.

[yankee]

We really need a good college football show.

this.

[BDB]

We really need a good college football show.

somone put a camera on loony, drunken farmer, wide after a case of redbull and have r2d2000 officiate the event.

i have a good feeling about that show.

[svhorns]

Texas 34

Tech 24

Final

[wesaxman34]

The ref thing is a self-fulfilling prophecy. Tech fans all over the web have been talking about how the refs were going job them all week.

Unfortunately, a lot of the penalties against Tech tonight were self-inflicted.

I didn't agree with 1, maybe 2 of them. That's average, or maybe even below average of any game that I watch with my favorite teams.

[wesaxman34]

Texas 34

Tech 24

Final

Thanks! :rolleyes:


;)

[stevefoxsc]

wish we would have played better, but hell revenge victory is better than none.

[TTURedRaider]

Im biased but I think the Kindle hit on Potts should have been a flag. That is my only complaint about the game.

Other than that good game Longhorns your team won the game. See you in Lubbock next season.

[JBT]

LOl some stuff prior to the game made me laugh really hard. Ohhh goodness. Wow. :)

[Dawg Fan]

I'm pretty sure he did not intend to drive into a building... where did that come from?

Face it techsters your boy was blown up on that play... he wasn't the first and he won't be the last... I'm just happy Potts didn't pull a Stephen McGee and start talking crap and run at him like he was gonna do something.

how ironic the sips think that hit on Potts was just fine but the hit that A & M put on Colt a few years ago was illegal and they cried and cried about it.ROTFL

[whyzat]

Tech acquitted themselves very well under difficult circumstances. While I was glad to see Texas get out with a win, the Red Raiders proved last night they are again capable of beating anyone. Glad Texas didn't have to play them in Lubbock, and glad OU does. :D

[svhorns]

how ironic the sips think that hit on Potts was just fine but the hit that A & M put on Colt a few years ago was illegal and they cried and cried about it.ROTFL

I didn't cry about it... honestly I could care less about that. Football is a rough sport people are bound to get knocked the f out.

[tayb]

how ironic the sips think that hit on Potts was just fine but the hit that A & M put on Colt a few years ago was illegal and they cried and cried about it.ROTFL

LOL. Colt is taking his helmet off and walking to the sideline, guy rams his head with his helmet, 15 yard personal foul, and he is ejected. Really trying to compare the two? I didn't see anything even remotely similar last night. What a tool.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ3-eNxBimI&NR=1

[NSMustangProud]

LOL. Colt is taking his helmet off and walking to the sideline, guy rams his head with his helmet, 15 yard personal foul, and he is ejected. Really trying to compare the two? I didn't see anything even remotely similar last night. What a tool.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ3-eNxBimI&NR=1

Watching that is like comparing apples to oranges regarding last night.....what a cheap shot.....even if it is the game of football!

[toonman]

Potts' 7 touchdowns last week have forgotten about that. Oh and Leong's 3 TDs have also forgotten about that...

That's great scoring 7 TDs against no name colleges, just like at high school against the poor Amarillo and Lubbock schools. Potts could not win the big games at high school and showed he cannot win the big game in college. He lost to the Dragons at school and he lost to a Dragon at UT.

[toonman]

Yeah, I'm sure he still thinks about that 4 years later when he's on the field as the starter at Tech...:rolleyes::D

Tre Newton will have reminded him of the beating he took at Floyd Casey Stadium.

[toonman]

Tech should get top 20 consideration even though they lost this game. I know they wont but they deserve it.

No they should not. No one remembers a loser and let me remind you - Tech are losers this week.

[toonman]

Mr. Potts... Meet Mr. Kindle...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSsLkBG_64Y

Oh yea! Took off Pott's helmet and contact lens.

[lonny23]

Ruff has lost 40 pounds since this time last year. See Bennie Wylie.
That's good, but he needs to lose 40 more. Don't worry guys, I'm not at the end of the thread yet. I'm sure I'll have some more posts!:D

[lonny23]

stupid crap on that punt.

That's why TSO goes foe it.

Because stupid people cost you twenty yards any way...:Censor:
Stefan Loucks HS coach no longer punts or kicks deep. He always goes for it on 4th down and onside kicks it.

His coach has stats that say an onside kick only costs you about 15 yards over a kickoff and you have a 25% chance to get the kick back.

He also has stats that show the risk of going for it and turning the ball over are outweighed by the chance to keep the ball and score and that field position change would be very minimal after a punt. I like that guy!:cool:

[lonny23]

Boy the officials messed that one up.... Here comes Lonny LOL
I didn't see it. The worst thing I saw was not calling Kindle for helmet to helmet on that fumble, but I don't think they blew the call on purpose. I said in the other thread I don't have gripes about the refs this year and I did have problems with them in the win last year.

[lonny23]

This. This game is just ugly all the way around. I certainly expected more from this Longhorn group. Our O line is getting abused out there...just imagine what the OU, OSU, Bear and Aggie D line will do...Kudos to Tech for playing good.


I'm not seeing a team that could contend for a national titile right now. You cant continue to play bad first halves and expect to win alot of big games.
You saw 2 great teams out there. Texas is very good like I said during the week. The problem is most people couldn't see that Tech was also a great team because they were so caught up in Harrell-Crabtree.

Tech should've been ranked before the game and should now. They aren't going anywhere. To me, they're better than the rest of the teams they play home and road and have a good shot to beat OU in Lubbock. I said in the last 10 days that Tech would lose in Austin (Yes, before I picked them and got worried again with the DE losses), but would have a great shot to win the rest and I still feel the same way.

In the case of the 'horns, many times they play down to the level of the competition, but they're still one of the best teams there are. Texas didn't have to play down to Tech because Tech has finally gotten to the point that they can play with Texas.

[lonny23]

Take it east debbie downer... our defense is nasty right now and Colt McCoy is our QB... our line is playing pretty terrible right now but there is no doubt in my mind that the offense will get it together. Colt is having issues throwing the ball but I'm glad it's McCoy having the problem... he's smart enough to know how to fix it. We'll be alright... I'm pretty sure we have the best defense in the nation.
I'll give you a pretty good defense....

and 3rd in the South!:D

[lonny23]

It's not about being down...I'm just speaking my mind here...This team cannot continue to have bad first halves...The competition will only get tougher from here...Good teams will make you pay for bad first halves and turnovers.
OU is the only team in the Big 12 as tough as Tech was. The ONLY.

[lonny23]

That they are and they are proving it too.

According to my standards? The D lines we will face from here on out are good D lines save for maybe UTEP and Colorado and even they might have success against this O line.
OU has a brutal D. OSU has a putrid D. Tech was missing all the DE's last night, but this is the same Tech D that came into the game top notch in sacks, tackles for loss, D yards, rushing D yards, and passing D yards. In other words, Texas will play a tough OU D and maybe a tough D in a bowl game and that's it. I could give you a similar song and dance about the Tech O!:D

[lonny23]

Texas just looks like crap.

However, one man's crap is another man's pleasure. This is a perfect storm for Lonny no matter who wins.
It would've been perfect for me if Tech had won, but I made my point. I knew Tech was good and expected them to prove it. I'll concede that Colt probably wasn't 100%, but that can't be any worse than what has happened to my defense this year.

At the end of the day, part of the problem that both teams faced was the guys on the other side of the line of scrimmage were pretty good. Tech will be a Top 10 team this year.

[lonny23]

Texas isn't getting anywhere near a national title game playing like this.
That's all very relative and I'll say it from my perspective last year. I knew Tech didn't have the talent of some teams, but all I needed was a great game in Norman and we'd play for a title whether we were 1 of the 2 best teams or not. Texas just has to keep their nose clean to play for a title and it's a long ways until you have to play in January. Now saying that, I hope OU beats Texas and we have the same mess as last time except for it being Tech in the Big 12 Title Game this time!:D

[lonny23]

Wow I never really understood why the Tech fans hate the refs in Austin but ....WOW:rolleyes:


If Texas ends up losing this game it is not because the refs didn't help. Amazing
There's no doubt it was a bad call, but I can't say it was on purpose because I don't know where the official was at on the play. I was at the 3 previous games and knew to gripe when McCoy throwing the ball for a big gain beyond the line of scrimmage didn't get called. That's just 1 of many bad calls in those 3 games that were obvious momentum changers and looked to be on purpose.

Kindle's hit was a momentum changer, but I'm not ready yet to say it was on purpose.

[yankee]

There's no doubt it was a bad call, but I can't say it was on purpose because I don't know where the official was at on the play. I was at the 3 previous games and knew to gripe when McCoy throwing the ball for a big gain beyond the line of scrimmage didn't get called. That's just 1 of many bad calls in those 3 games that were obvious momentum changers and looked to be on purpose.

Kindle's hit was a momentum changer, but I'm not ready yet to say it was on purpose.

well let us all know when you're ready, ok?

[Slim-Rob]

Looks like he hit him right underneath the chin to me. Then drove him down. Looks clean to me.

The first thing that touched Potts body was Sergio's helmet.

Yes, but he happened to unintentionally hit the football...what I'm saying is that he still lead with his helmet and hit Pott's helmet immediately after hitting the ball and nothing else....he didn't hit the shoulder pad. It should have at least be an incidental call.

how the hell do you know the intentions of kindle?

wesaxman, he didn't hit the shoulder pad?

How are you guys saying this is a flagrant helmet to helmet??


When I was watching the video I thought maybe, but when you slow it down and look at it, he hits the ball, then the shoulderpads and the bottom/side of Potts facemask with the top (forehead area) of his helmet.

Kindle's facemask was in Pott's chest just above the numbers.

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/5845/kindle.jpg


this was not any kind of spear or flagrant helmet to helmet hit. This is FOOTBALL. You are going to get hit, especially when your' offensive lineman lets Sergio Kindle run right past you.

Also, looks like Randall is being held right there in the middle of hte picture

[lonny23]

Tech is doing very well to compete considering this is a rebuilding year for them.
That's what the media said. Don't confuse them with facts.

1. Tech isn't rebuilding. They're still building and will only get harder and harder to beat each year that goes by. Texas is good and will stay good, but they can't really get much better, but I've said for several years that Tech was still getting better and that won't stop in 2009 or 2010.
2. To understand Tech, you have to see who they played on offense and defense in the past. The guys now are heavier, taller, stronger, and faster than ever.

[lonny23]

Tech is handing the Texas secondary its butt on a platter this half. Leach putting a few over on Muschamp. Muschamp hasn't adjusted to the adjustments Leach made at half, but I don't know how much of that you can do with players who clearly have no clue. Turning everyone loose.
From my years of watching Leach, OU is the only team in the country that done a good job shutting down Tech's offense, although TCU did a good job in 06, but that game does somewhat go with an asterisk as Tech was self-destructing with turmoil. Outside of that, Tech only plays real bad offense when the QB throws a bunch of picks and Harrell did that at times.

[lonny23]

Texas Fight, Texas Fight,
And it's goodbye to A&M.
Texas Fight, Texas Fight,
And we'll put over one more win.
Texas Fight, Texas Fight,
For it's Texas that we love best.
Hail, Hail, The gang's all here,
And it's good-bye to all the rest!

Yea Orange! Yea White!
Yea Longhorns! Fight! Fight! Fight!
Texas Fight! Texas Fight,
Yea Texas Fight!
Texas Fight! Texas Fight,
Yea Texas Fight!

The Eyes of Texas are upon you,
All the livelong day.
The Eyes of Texas are upon you,
You cannot get away.
Texas Fight, Texas Fight,
For it's Texas that we love best.
Hail, Hail, The gang's all here,
And it's good-bye to all the rest!Herbstreit has a better version!:D

[lonny23]

why does tu have aggy in their fight song?
Because they're just as anal as the guys they make fun of for having tu in their song!:D

[lonny23]

And somewhere in Conroe, slorch is hugging his toilet after that McCoy-Shipley boat piece. Wow.
I get tired of hearing the McCoy/Shipley talk, but I'd try the same thing if I were a QB. I thought it was cool.

[lonny23]

Don't have that kind of time in college. Any contending team's got to be in mid-season form whenever they hit the field or risk being out of it.
OK, I'll be realistic. Texas played one of their 2 toughest games of the year on September 19th. You have UTEP next and almost a month before OU. You have time to get better. Texas sleepwalks quite a bit and can get away with it in many games. You'll be OK. If I were a UT fan, I'd be worried about this:

1. The OU D is pretty good and they have enough talent to beat the 'horns.
2. UT does run the risk to lose a game because they get sloppy at times in most years like USC does.

[lonny23]

What a stupid call on 3rd and long. It's not like the Texas secondary can stop the pass.I was upset, too.

[lonny23]

Really impressed with Tech. Goodness gracious those guys played lights out. Potts, Leong, Zizilek (sp), Bird on D (who is he?).

The offensive pass int. call was terrible - but as Herbie said - you simply can't even attempt to do that with the ball in the air - still a bad call.

Texas again looked mediocre. Tre will help a ton as he gets more reps, and Buckner is looking good.

Where the heck is Collins? No slot help at all.

Ruffin kicked Greg Davis around alot tonight - very impressive.

Tech will beat Texas next year in Lubbock - mark that please.
As far as I'm concerned the only question about whether or not Tech wins the Big 12 in 2010 or not is if Bradford comes back.

[lonny23]

screw the ranking.

we're in for a fight at UH this week.
Tech 45
Houston 28

[lonny23]

Recruits know that Tech passes 90% of time... great rb's are hard to come by for tech... but you're right... tech with a great running back could be pretty nasty.
Tech is doing fine at RB. Batch is hurt, but Jeffers and Stephens were both 4-star players as is DeLans Griffin in 2010. We have talent, but it's young talent. Tech will also have a good shot at a 4-5 star RB in 2011.

[lonny23]

I think everyone got their money's worth and you know ABC loved it. I'll bet they kept the audience until the last minute. Too bad these two couldn't have played at the regular time of the year.
My money is on Gameday being in Lubbock for OU, unless they show up for Kansas first.

[lonny23]

NM, it took my previous post.

[lonny23]

Don't get it twisted. We have 3 backs we can legitimately run the ball. There is just something stopping it this year.
It would be nice if Carter was healthy. He was sick Friday night and has been hurt for over a month now.

[lonny23]

those o-line splits are GREAT for keeping the d-line out of the backfield and picking up blitz' (it took everything muschamp had in his pocket to get to potts), but when it comes to the running game, those splits are a large area for d-lineman to shoot through or lb's to watch for that it makes it harder to run the ball.

i like your runningbacks, but after that first series on the 2nd & 20, the running game wasn't there...... and, imo, it's partly due to the splits.
My problem with the Tech running game is I usually know when they'll run and I've often said that if I know what a team will run, then the other team should also know.

[wesaxman34]

wesaxman, he didn't hit the shoulder pad?

Ok, I wasn't clear. He hit the helmet before the shoulder pad.

[lonny23]

It was a dirty hit and you know it. Potts is a tough guy, though. I'm not going to go as far as saying that we would've won if the refs threw the flag, but it definitely would've given us a better chance to at least close the gap or tie it up if we scored on that drive - we'll never know, though. Thankfully he seemed to be fine enough to keep playing.
Oh, there is no doubt that it was dirty and on purpose. You can tell he did it on purpose. I'll predict now that Sergio gets hurt at some point this year.

[lonny23]

In reading this thread, I am not looking forward to hearing Lonny's thoughts on the refs. Just based on what I'm already hearing from the rational Tech fans.
I had the best contributions to the thread all week!:D

[Dawg Fan]

LOL. Colt is taking his helmet off and walking to the sideline, guy rams his head with his helmet, 15 yard personal foul, and he is ejected. Really trying to compare the two? I didn't see anything even remotely similar last night. What a tool.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ3-eNxBimI&NR=1

how ironic, a sip fan calling someone else a tool:rolleyes:

[wesaxman34]

Oh, there is no doubt that it was dirty and on purpose. You can tell he did it on purpose. I'll predict now that Sergio gets hurt at some point this year.

I want rough and tough football like anyone else, but there are reasons helmet to helmet hits, horse collar tackles, etc., are illegal.

[lonny23]

The ref thing is a self-fulfilling prophecy. Tech fans all over the web have been talking about how the refs were going job them all week.
In that regard, you can't blame us. We're conditioned to expect to be gypped against Texas and I've griped long and hard about what looked to be on purpose. Now saying that, what I saw of this game, I didn't see anything that stood out to me to be obviously biased to help Texas.

[lonny23]

somone put a camera on loony, drunken farmer, wide after a case of redbull and have r2d2000 officiate the event.

i have a good feeling about that show.
I've been around those guys in the wee hours of the morning after they've had a few and it would be good entertainment!:D It's a ready-made argument for me against Texas and the SEC!:D

[wesaxman34]

In that regard, you can't blame us. We're conditioned to expect to be gypped against Texas and I've griped long and hard about what looked to be on purpose. Now saying that, what I saw of this game, I didn't see anything that stood out to me to be obviously biased to help Texas.

Did you know about the "kneeling" rule? I can see why it may be a problem with players on the defensive side, because they will stop playing and get nailed to the ground, but that defeats the purpose of "playing until the whistle blows".

[lonny23]

That's great scoring 7 TDs against no name colleges, just like at high school against the poor Amarillo and Lubbock schools. Potts could not win the big games at high school and showed he cannot win the big game in college. He lost to the Dragons at school and he lost to a Dragon at UT.
He'll also beat the Dragon in Lubbock!:D

Start going down the Tech schedule and you'll see a bunch of should wins.

[lonny23]

well let us all know when you're ready, ok?
1. Kindle did it on purpose.
2. I don't think the refs blew it on purpose and especially if he was behind Kindle.

[Dawg Fan]

LOL. Colt is taking his helmet off and walking to the sideline, guy rams his head with his helmet, 15 yard personal foul, and he is ejected. Really trying to compare the two? I didn't see anything even remotely similar last night. What a tool.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ3-eNxBimI&NR=1

he wasn't taking his helmet off and was pushed down....jeez look at the video one more time. It should have been a penalty and at Austin it was called, they just don't see it the same way when a horn does it:rolleyes:

[lonny23]

Did you know about the "kneeling" rule? I can see why it may be a problem with players on the defensive side, because they will stop playing and get nailed to the ground, but that defeats the purpose of "playing until the whistle blows".
I didn't see anything before 28-10 so you'll have to let me know what happened at the end of the first half.

[BDB]

I didn't see anything before 28-10 so you'll have to let me know what happened at the end of the first half.

potts went for a fake qb kneel. the refs called it dead and after halftime word went out that it's against the (either ncaa or big xii) rules for a fake kneel and the play is called dead.

[BDB]

he wasn't taking his helmet off and was pushed down....jeez look at the video one more time. It should have been a penalty and at Austin it was called, they just don't see it the same way when a horn does it:rolleyes:

lol@ anything you've said in this thread. i hope you don't pop a gasket.

[wesaxman34]

I didn't see anything before 28-10 so you'll have to let me know what happened at the end of the first half.

We had possession before the first half ended and Leach took a timeout with a few seconds left on the clock. He talked to Potts on the sideline for a while and then he lined up under center and seemed to have taken a knee....he actually faked the knee and tried to look for a receiver downfield, but the refs called the play dead. Leach was pretty mad.

However, Musberger told us that they were informed about the rule afterwards - if you even simulate taking the knee, then the play is dead.

[lonny23]

potts went for a fake qb kneel. the refs called it dead and after halftime word went out that it's against the (either ncaa or big xii) rules for a fake kneel and the play is called dead.
If Potts did the fake kneel, that's 2 Tech TD's at the end of the 2nd quarter since last year that have correctly been taken away. Last year, Harrell got his facemask pulled, his helmet flew off, and a TD against SMU was taken away.

Ball Declared Dead

ARTICLE 3. A live ball becomes dead and an official shall sound his whistle
or declare it dead:

a. When it goes out of bounds other than a kick that scores a field goal after
touching the uprights or crossbar, when a ball carrier is out of bounds,
or when a ball carrier is so held that his forward progress is stopped.
When in question, the ball is dead (A.R. 4-2-1-II).

b. When any part of the ball carrier’s body, except his hand or foot, touches
the ground or when the ball carrier is tackled or otherwise falls and loses
possession of the ball as he contacts the ground with any part of his
body, except his hand or foot [Exception: The ball remains alive when
an offensive player has simulated a kick or is in position to kick the ball
held for a place kick by a teammate. The ball may be kicked, passed or
advanced by rule] (A.R. 4-1-3-I).

c. When a touchdown, touchback, safety, field goal or successful try
occurs; or when an unsuccessful field-goal attempt that has crossed the
neutral zone and is then untouched by Team B, lands in Team B’s end
zone or out of bounds (A.R. 6-3-9-I).

d. When, during a try, a dead-ball rule applies (Rule 8-3-2-d-5).

e. When a player of the kicking team catches or recovers any free kick or
a scrimmage kick that has crossed the neutral zone (A.R. 4-1-3-II).

f. When a free kick, scrimmage kick or any other loose ball comes to rest
and no player attempts to secure it.

g. When a scrimmage kick beyond the neutral zone or a free kick is caught
or recovered by any player after a valid or invalid fair-catch signal; or
when an invalid fair-catch signal is made after a catch or recovery by
Team B (Rules 2-7-1, 2-7-2 and 2-7-3).

h. When a return kick or scrimmage kick beyond the neutral zone is
made.

i. When a forward pass strikes the ground.

j. When, before a change of team possession on fourth down or a try, a
Team A fumble is caught or recovered by a Team A player other than the
fumbler (Rules 7-2-2-a and -b and 8-3-2-d-5).

k. When a live ball not in player possession touches anything inbounds
other than a player, a player’s equipment, an official, an official’s equipment
or the ground (inadvertent-whistle provisions apply).

l. When a simultaneous catch or recovery of a live ball occurs.

m. When the ball becomes illegal while in play (inadvertent-whistle
provisions apply). (This is the catch-all that comes up a lot!)

n. When the live ball is in possession of an official.

o. When a ball carrier simulates placing his knee on the ground.

p. When an airborne pass receiver from either team is so held and
subsequently carried that he is prevented from immediately returning to
the ground (A.R. 7-3-6-IV).

q. When a ball carrier’s helmet comes completely off.

[Dawg Fan]

lol@ anything you've said in this thread. i hope you don't pop a gasket.

shoot man I am having a blast;) the fishing is very good here

[toonman]

potts went for a fake qb kneel. the refs called it dead and after halftime word went out that it's against the (either ncaa or big xii) rules for a fake kneel and the play is called dead.

If Leach knew the rules of the game then he would not have to cry about the decision. A fake knee is about a low a play as you can get and while it is against the rules; it is also not in the spirit of the game.

[BDB]

If Leach knew the rules of the game then he would not have to cry about the decision. A fake knee is about a low a play as you can get and while it is against the rules; it is also not in the spirit of the game.


strategic as hell, but against the (obscure) rules.

[F18mustang]

If Leach knew the rules of the game then he would not have to cry about the decision. A fake knee is about a low a play as you can get and while it is against the rules; it is also not in the spirit of the game.

Care to share your grudge against Tech anytime soon?

[BDB]

Care to share your grudge against Tech anytime soon?

having to play tceh and their bi-polar schemes and efficiency is reason alone to hate tech.

even a 20 point lead isn't comfortable when playing tech.

[F18mustang]

having to play tceh and their bi-polar schemes and efficiency is reason alone to hate tech.

even a 20 point lead isn't comfortable when playing tech.

Whatever put points on the board right? Oh wait, lets trash Tech because they do it with a "system".

[wesaxman34]

If Leach knew the rules of the game then he would not have to cry about the decision. A fake knee is about a low a play as you can get and while it is against the rules; it is also not in the spirit of the game.

Why is that? I think it was a genius call by Leach even though he didn't know the rule. I think it should be allowed - it would be the defense's fault if they didn't play until the whistle (assuming the refs wouldn't blow the whistle if it were legal). It would be just like any other trick play...if the defense doesn't pay attention to a flea flicker or a fake field goal, etc., it should be on them.

[patient1019]

While my contribution may not have a place among some of the bickering, here's what I see so far. I was at the game and as a student the game is about the rivalry, the atmosphere, the hate first, and the performance second. But Texas hasn't impressed me yet. Our resilience is to be commended but if this is what we bring to Dallas we will lose. The offense is not in its blitzkrieg rhythm like last season and I'm not convinced our secondary has gotten any better. Colt needs to live up to his own words that this season is about doing what we could have done last season. Heisman or no Heisman.

My only consolation thus far is that while we were playing better than we are now this time last year, we really didn't hit full stride until we beat OU. I'm hoping these next couple of weeks let us find that stride.

[BDB]

Whatever put points on the board right? Oh wait, lets trash Tech because they do it with a "system".

hey you asked why the bitter feelings.... i just gave mine.

[wesaxman34]

hey you asked why the bitter feelings.... i just gave mine.

Fair enough. ;)

[F18mustang]

hey you asked why the bitter feelings.... i just gave mine.

I was referring to toon.

[Empire strikes back]

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[hollywood]

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I just can't tell if that was helmet to helmet or not ... ;)

[Empire strikes back]

I just can't tell if that was helmet to helmet or not ... ;)

Oh it was a clean hit. :D

[wesaxman34]

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[F18mustang]

http://i36.tinypic.com/245devq.gif

Ok

[yallerjacket2]

Clean hit. Violent, but clean.

[BDB]

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i wonder how many teams have him on their draft list, after that hit? :D

[yallerjacket2]

i wonder how many teams have him on their draft list, after that hit? :D

They probably had him on their draft list when he was in high school. Dude has always been a beast.

[tayb]

how ironic, a sip fan calling someone else a tool:rolleyes:

he wasn't taking his helmet off and was pushed down....jeez look at the video one more time. It should have been a penalty and at Austin it was called, they just don't see it the same way when a horn does it:rolleyes:

Does anyone take you seriously? Anyone at all?

[Dawg Fan]

Does anyone take you seriously? Anyone at all?


let me check my give a damn......................nope got nothin:rolleyes:

btw read my avatar sometime

[twcpfan1]

That whole boat thing was a little gay wasn't it.

[F18mustang]

That whole boat thing was a little gay wasn't it.

A little?

[tayb]

let me check my give a damn......................nope got nothin:rolleyes:

btw read my avatar sometime

What? All I see is an empty quote.

[Dawg Fan]

What? All I see is an empty quote.

yet you still reply:confused:


LOL

[tayb]

yet you still reply:confused:


LOL

I'm not sure what you are trying to say. Something meaningful might help.

[Dawg Fan]

I'm not sure what you are trying to say. Something meaningful might help.


need some neosporin for the hook wound? ROTFLMAO.......

[tayb]

need some neosporin for the hook wound? ROTFLMAO.......

What?

[Dawg Fan]

What?

really dude....stop embarrassing yourself:o

[F18mustang]

:rolleyes:

[tayb]

??

[svhorns]

Yall do know the game is over right? Texas won 34-24... Potts was destroyed and the Texas O-line looked like crap in the 1st half... next game.

[toonman]

Why is that? I think it was a genius call by Leach even though he didn't know the rule. I think it should be allowed - it would be the defense's fault if they didn't play until the whistle (assuming the refs wouldn't blow the whistle if it were legal). It would be just like any other trick play...if the defense doesn't pay attention to a flea flicker or a fake field goal, etc., it should be on them.

The "taking a knee" play is a signal by one team to the other team that they have stopped competing, to let the clock run out and avoid injury to either team. Leach was abusing a 'gentleman's agreement’ play designed to avoid players getting hurt when both the time and field position indicates that there is no further scoring to take place. In addition to lacking a personality; the call confirms that Leach lacks honor as well.

[pied]

The "taking a knee" play is a signal by one team to the other team that they have stopped competing, to let the clock run out and avoid injury to either team. Leach was abusing a 'gentleman's agreement’ play designed to avoid players getting hurt when both the time and field position indicates that there is no further scoring to take place. In addition to lacking a personality; the call confirms that Leach lacks honor as well.

He certainly has a personality, he is a goof.

I think questioning his honor because of trying to get a leg up is a bit much.

I think him not knowing the rule has much more room to take a shot at.

[wesaxman34]

The "taking a knee" play is a signal by one team to the other team that they have stopped competing, to let the clock run out and avoid injury to either team. Leach was abusing a 'gentleman's agreement’ play designed to avoid players getting hurt when both the time and field position indicates that there is no further scoring to take place. In addition to lacking a personality; the call confirms that Leach lacks honor as well.

I understand avoiding injury and the whole "gentleman's agreement" thing, but if you actually watch the teams that go into their "kneeling" formation, you still see players on the defensive side trying to knock the snot out of the OL even though they know what's coming.

Again, this is just my take on it - if the NCAA allows for the fake knee plays, it would make the game more interesting, particularly for the possession holders going into halftime. Nobody would get hurt if they play until the whistle blows like they should in the first place.

Now, about Leach...he doesn't lack honor. He is a gambler - there is a difference.

[lonny23]

I understand avoiding injury and the whole "gentleman's agreement" thing, but if you actually watch the teams that go into their "kneeling" formation, you still see players on the defensive side trying to knock the snot out of the OL even though they know what's coming.

Again, this is just my take on it - if the NCAA allows for the fake knee plays, it would make the game more interesting, particularly for the possession holders going into halftime. Nobody would get hurt if they play until the whistle blows like they should in the first place.

Now, about Leach...he doesn't lack honor. He is a gambler - there is a difference.1. I agree with the guys who say Leach should've known the rule.
2. Now it's funny that Leach was quoted last week of saying that Texas has 9 years of film on him and nothing he does should be considered a trick play and that there are no surprises.

[Empire strikes back]

Ok

:laugh:laugh:laugh

[wesaxman34]

1. I agree with the guys who say Leach should've known the rule.
2. Now it's funny that Leach was quoted last week of saying that Texas has 9 years of film on him and nothing he does should be considered a trick play and that there are no surprises.

Classic Leach. :notworthy

[TTURedRaider]

wesaxman, he didn't hit the shoulder pad?

How are you guys saying this is a flagrant helmet to helmet??


When I was watching the video I thought maybe, but when you slow it down and look at it, he hits the ball, then the shoulderpads and the bottom/side of Potts facemask with the top (forehead area) of his helmet.

Kindle's facemask was in Pott's chest just above the numbers.

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/5845/kindle.jpg


this was not any kind of spear or flagrant helmet to helmet hit. This is FOOTBALL. You are going to get hit, especially when your' offensive lineman lets Sergio Kindle run right past you.

Also, looks like Randall is being held right there in the middle of hte picture

What is Kindle leading with? His forearm? His shoulder?

http://i640.photobucket.com/albums/uu128/OrangeBlood777/CLEAN-1.png

It looks like Acho could have been called for illegal hands to the face from that picture.

By the way I found this in the rule interpretations in the NCAA rule book.

A player during a live ball rams an opponent with his helmet or face mask. RULING: Personal foul. Penalty—15 yards.

[Dawg Fan]

What is Kindle leading with? His forearm? His shoulder?

http://i640.photobucket.com/albums/uu128/OrangeBlood777/CLEAN-1.png

It looks like Acho could have been called for illegal hands to the face from that picture.

By the way I found this in the rule interpretations in the NCAA rule book.

don't let facts get in the way;)

[pied]

Here's one I'd like to see how the board weighs in. In the first quarter, Texas punted and the ball appeared to hit the Tech player, it bounced out and Malcom Willaims downed it at the one. They showed the replay prior to going to commerical. I think Herbie said it hit the Tech player and shulud be Texas ball. They go to commercial and the ball is at the five where it originally hit the Tech player. Don't recall them ever mentioing it again. What did I miss?

[Dawg Fan]

Here's one I'd like to see how the board weighs in. In the first quarter, Texas punted and the ball appeared to hit the Tech player, it bounced out and Malcom Willaims downed it at the one. They showed the replay prior to going to commerical. I think Herbie said it hit the Tech player and shulud be Texas ball. They go to commercial and the ball is at the five where it originally hit the Tech player. Don't recall them ever mentioing it again. What did I miss?

actually it looked like it hit the UT player and that is where the ball should have been marked. The only way it would have been UT's ball is if it did hit the Tech player and a UT player recovered it and the refs agreed. It would have been challenged if UT thought they had recovered a fumble.

[pied]

actually it looked like it hit the UT player and that is where the ball should have been marked. The only way it would have been UT's ball is if it did hit the Tech player and a UT player recovered it and the refs agreed. It would have been challenged if UT thought they had recovered a fumble.

The replay showed it hitting the Tech player's helmet. They did not address it after the TV timeout. I will need to look at that again, but surprised that it hasn't been discussed some. Then again since Texas won, not certain we would hear a lot.

[tayb]

What is Kindle leading with? His forearm? His shoulder?

http://i640.photobucket.com/albums/uu128/OrangeBlood777/CLEAN-1.png

It looks like Acho could have been called for illegal hands to the face from that picture.

By the way I found this in the rule interpretations in the NCAA rule book.

I see helmet on football in that picture. Legal hit.

BTW, farmer likes to think that Texas fans are he "whiniest bunch in the league" but I've never seen such moaning, crying, and groaning about the referees every single year by Tech fans. Really, some of you need to get a freaking grip and stop listening to Lonny.

[HUM398]

alot of you have never played football have you....and if you did you were probably offensive players.

That tackle is a text book tackle... Head across the body, Face mask to the ball (As a player should always do)....Squared up and drove through.

No penalty.

[Dawg Fan]

alot of you have never played football have you....and if you did you were probably offensive players.

That tackle is a text book tackle... Head across the body, Face mask to the ball (As a player should always do)....Squared up and drove through.

No penalty.

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sorry but if he would have kept his head down then yes. he drove his helmet up into the face of the qb...illegal and should have been called but it wasn't. If that would have happened to Colt you guys would have thrown just as much of a fit.

[Firebird]

Legal hit, textbook in fact. Helmets can make contact during a tackle, you just can't lead with your helmet into the other guy's helmet. Wouldn't be wearing them otherwise.

[HUM398]

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sorry but if he would have kept his head down then yes. he drove his helmet up into the face of the qb...illegal and should have been called but it wasn't. If that would have happened to Colt you guys would have thrown just as much of a fit.

Dude, you know better then that. If it would of happened to colt, in the exact same manner...it would of been an legal hit.

You can't lead with your helmet, that is the rule...The rule doesn't stipulate that you cant drive upwards. He did not intentionally lead with the crown of his helmet, nor did he target the helmet as a point of contact. he hit the ball then Potts chest, and drove...Which caused him to come up and undo his helmet.

it was very legal....If i felt it was dirty, you know damn well id say it was.

[HUM398]

Legal hit, textbook in fact. Helmets can make contact during a tackle, you just can't lead with your helmet into the other guy's helmet. Wouldn't be wearing them otherwise.

and even Bird agrees with me.

Like i said in previous posts...Legal hit, and Textbook on top of it all.

[Firebird]

Dude, you know better then that. If it would of happened to colt, in the exact same manner...it could of been an legal hit.

You can't lead with your helmet, that is the rule...The rule doesn't stipulate that you cant drive upwards. He did not intentionally lead with the crown of his helmet, nor did he target the helmet as a point of contact. he hit the ball then Potts chest, and drove...Which caused him to come up and undo his helmet.

it was very legal....If i felt it was dirty, you know damn well id say it was.

I agree, people seem to be under the impression that anytime two helmets touch each other it should be a foul....not the case at all. What you have to avoid is initiating contact with the other person's helmet, with your own helmet or any other body part. During tackles helmets are going to bang together, it's the nature of the game.

[Dawg Fan]

Legal hit, textbook in fact. Helmets can make contact during a tackle, you just can't lead with your helmet into the other guy's helmet. Wouldn't be wearing them otherwise.

sorry don't agree, I see him doing exactly that, leading with his helmet into the lower jaw of the qb and you will never convince me that he didn't do it on purpose. It is all water under the bridge anyway because the game is history

[Dawg Fan]

Dude, you know better then that. If it would of happened to colt, in the exact same manner...it would of been an legal hit.

You can't lead with your helmet, that is the rule...The rule doesn't stipulate that you cant drive upwards. He did not intentionally lead with the crown of his helmet, nor did he target the helmet as a point of contact. he hit the ball then Potts chest, and drove...Which caused him to come up and undo his helmet.

it was very legal....If i felt it was dirty, you know damn well id say it was.

we will just agree to disagree on this one. its all history now anyways;)

[pied]

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sorry but if he would have kept his head down then yes. he drove his helmet up into the face of the qb...illegal and should have been called but it wasn't. If that would have happened to Colt you guys would have thrown just as much of a fit.

You're pobably right. I think it was a close call and really could have went either way, that's what homers do.

I certainly don't think it was "dirty", nad not real sure how else he hits a standing target like he did much differently. I also don't see the Heard/Colt comparisons at all.

[Dawg Fan]

You're pobably right. I think it was a close call and really could have went either way, that's what homers do.

I certainly don't think it was "dirty", nad not real sure how else he hits a standing target like he did much differently. I also don't see the Heard/Colt comparisons at all.

i said if this hit happened to Colt not referencing the A & M game at all.

[pied]

i said if this hit happened to Colt not referencing the A & M game at all.

Didn't say you made the statement. Several posters have.

[Dawg Fan]

Didn't say you made the statement. Several posters have.

well you quoted my post

[pied]

well you quoted my post

and I agreed with your point.

Then I started another paragraph, addressing two items which you didn't, not attributing them to you.

You're taking this too seriously.

[tayb]

sorry don't agree, I see him doing exactly that, leading with his helmet into the lower jaw of the qb and you will never convince me that he didn't do it on purpose. It is all water under the bridge anyway because the game is history

Hit the ball first and he fumbled it. In fact, the only possible way that helmet could have came off is if the initial contact was BELOW the face mask so that the top of Kindles helmet could push UP on the facemask when he was driving him down. It is pretty clear where the helmet first made contact and it is exactly where Potts was holding the ball, his upper chest. The non-call was correct. This is football, not tap dancing.

[HUM398]

You're pobably right. I think it was a close call and really could have went either way, that's what homers do.

I certainly don't think it was "dirty", nad not real sure how else he hits a standing target like he did much differently. I also don't see the Heard/Colt comparisons at all.

it wasn't a close call. At no point in time was he targeting the helmet. it is extremely obvious that he was trying to hit the ball, as instructed by pewee coaches all over this country ever week during the season.

The rule stipulates that you can't target the helmet with you helmet...Period. He never lead with his helmet....

Illegal hit (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0Y9wt3XkHo)

[pied]

well you quoted my post


I was wrong, not several people bringing up the Colt/Heard hit, it was just little old you.

how ironic the sips think that hit on Potts was just fine but the hit that A & M put on Colt a few years ago was illegal and they cried and cried about it.ROTFL


LOL. Colt is taking his helmet off and walking to the sideline, guy rams his head with his helmet, 15 yard personal foul, and he is ejected. Really trying to compare the two? I didn't see anything even remotely similar last night. What a tool.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ3-eNxBimI&NR=1


Watching that is like comparing apples to oranges regarding last night.....what a cheap shot.....even if it is the game of football!


he wasn't taking his helmet off and was pushed down....jeez look at the video one more time. It should have been a penalty and at Austin it was called, they just don't see it the same way when a horn does it:rolleyes:

[pied]

it wasn't a close call. At no point in time was he targeting the helmet. it is extremely obvious that he was trying to hit the ball, as instructed by pewee coaches all over this country ever week during the season.

The rule stipulates that you can't target the helmet with you helmet...Period. He never lead with his helmet....

Illegal hit (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0Y9wt3XkHo)

I get what you're saying, but I am not a ref, just a fan. I certainly would agree that the evidence you're showing indicates that you are correct. it seems to me that I have seen other plays get called. I know I would be a bit more skeptical if the shoe were on the other foot.

[TTURedRaider]

it wasn't a close call. At no point in time was he targeting the helmet. it is extremely obvious that he was trying to hit the ball, as instructed by pewee coaches all over this country ever week during the season.

The rule stipulates that you can't target the helmet with you helmet...Period. He never lead with his helmet....

Illegal hit (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0Y9wt3XkHo)

Explain to me this then... from the NCAA Rule Book.

Exact wording of Rule 9-3-1, Part A:Official Rulebook, 9-1-3, Part A: "No player shall initiate contact and target an opponent with the crown (top) of his helmet. When in question, it is a foul.

"Example of Rule 9-3-1:"A player during a live ball rams an opponent with his helmet or face mask. RULING: Personal foul. Penalty-15 yards. Enforce from the previous spot if foul by Team A occurs behind the neutral zone. First down if by Team B. Safety if the foul by Team A occurs behind Team A's goal line."

[Firebird]

Explain to me this then... from the NCAA Rule Book.

You are using an outdated rule book. The current rule book states:

ARTICLE 3. a. No player shall initiate contact and target an opponent with
the crown (top) of his helmet. When in question, it is a foul.
b. No player shall initiate contact and target a defenseless opponent
above the shoulders. When in question, it is a foul. (Refer to Points of
Emphasis on FR-9 for a description of “Defenseless Player.”)

http://www.ncaapublications.com/Uploads/PDF/Football_Rulesadc982b5-03fb-4e27-828c-c2d26b95e6c1.pdf

In the points of emphasis, Potts does not qualify as a defenseless player:

The quarterback moving down the line of scrimmage who has handed or
pitched the ball to a teammate, and then makes no attempt to participate
further in the play;
• The kicker who is in the act of kicking the ball, or who has not had a
reasonable length of time to regain his balance after the kick;
• The passer who is in the act of throwing the ball, or who has not had a
reasonable length of time to participate in the play again after releasing the
ball;
• The pass receiver whose concentration is on the ball;
• The pass receiver who has clearly relaxed when the pass is no longer
catchable;
• The kick receiver whose attention is on the downward flight of the ball;
• The kick receiver who has just touched the ball;
• The player who has relaxed once the ball has become dead; and
• The player who is obviously out of the play.

[HUM398]

You are using an outdated rule book. The current rule book states:



http://www.ncaapublications.com/Uploads/PDF/Football_Rulesadc982b5-03fb-4e27-828c-c2d26b95e6c1.pdf

In the points of emphasis, Potts does not qualify as a defenseless player:

Beat me to it.

[Dawg Fan]

I was wrong, not several people bringing up the Colt/Heard hit, it was just little old you.

you quoted one post and tried to tie it to another. Try to stay on point.