What would it take for Stoops to be fired?

[wide-e-wide]

TheGreatOne made me think about something in a PM he sent me. I just wonder exactly what would have to happen in order for Big Game Bob to get canned?
Another loss to Mack coupled with another debacle in a bowl game?...I think that might put him on the hot seat. There are those within the OU faithful that think no matter what Stoops does he should NEVER be fired. Well my friends that is a dangerous game to play. EVERY coach should know that he is not immune to being fired....this includes Mack Brown, Les Miles,....ANYBODY.


What do you guys think?

[KT2000]

OU could find itself in a predicament depending on how this all plays out. I think OU is in big time danger on that Miami trip without Bradford. There may not be anything left to play for after that roadie.

OU needs a big time recruiter and big name coach to draw the talent they need to be a top level program. Stoops has been able to do this since he game to OU and a big staple of his recruiting was always his initial dominance of Texas.

Now that Texas has turned the tables, you are seeing OU come back to Earth recruiting wise. Texas is winning a lot of the heads up battles that Stoops would usually get AT LEAST 50-50 on.

Any OU coach must be able to recruit Texas in order to build a big time program. Obviously, Broken Arrow's finest aint going to fill the roster.

If OU decides that Stoops has fallen off enough, they could make a move but they will need to be sure they can get a big time replacement. And that replacement would have to be a dynamic recruiter. Someone like a Charlie Strong perhaps. After all, it wouldn't be the first time they went after a young Florida DC. ;)

[ken-in-rockwall]

A loss to Texas, probably not fired if he continues to win everything else in the Conference.

A loss to Oklahoma State, would really put him in a little hotter seat and with the way OSU is building their team this could be a reality.

Another loss in a bowl-game, maybe but many need to realize what it took to get there. The worst part is if OU misses one of the bigger bowl games (ie: not a BCS bowl) and then loses. That would definitely add fuel to the "fire".

[Firebird]

How you lose matters. A big part of the reason that OU earned that #2 preseason ranking is because of Gresham and the returning Heisman trophy winner. Them going down with injuries is beyond Stoops control and rational people (though we're dealing with Sooner fan here) should ajust expectations accordingly. How good would Texas fans feel about the RRS if the shoe was on the other foot and it was Colt that went down in week 1? How good would Florida fans feel about a rematch vs. Bama in the SEC game if Timmy Tebow is not on the field? It's not really rational to expect the same results once you take most of your offense off the field and replace it with a redshirt freshman.

The second thing that any rational person should think about before firing a coach is who they have lined up that they think would do a better job. If I am OU fan, before I fire Stoops for another bowl debacle or loss in the RRS, I am going to make a list of the coaches that I am confident could do better than what Stoops is doing AND who are likely to want to come coach in Norman. That might be a good exercise for anyone here who thinks Stoops seat should be hot. That list is gonna be pretty short I think.

As per your question, OU has had equal or greater success in the roughly one decade since Stoops arrive than any program not named Florida, USC, or LSU,bowl losses notwithstanding. I would wait for several consecutive seasons where Stoops finishes outside of the Big XII CCG before I even ponder warming his seat.

[tayb]

Losses to Miami, Texas, Oklahoma State, and possibly another in Kansas or Nebraska would probably put him in the hot seat but Gresham being out for the year, Bradford down for 4 weeks, and the o-line assembled from handing out raffle tickets on campus will cool it off. He might get into more trouble next season with all the NFL departures but it would probably take three 4-5 loss seasons in a row until they actually considered hosing him.

[Firebird]

Losses to Miami, Texas, Oklahoma State, and possibly another in Kansas or Nebraska would probably put him in the hot seat but Gresham being out for the year, Bradford down for 4 weeks, and the o-line assembled from handing out raffle tickets on campus will cool it off. He might get into more trouble next season with all the NFL departures but it would probably take three 4-5 loss seasons in a row until they actually considered hosing him.

I agree with this. Rational minds should prevail in the OU AD. He needs to be out of the Big XII CCG for more than one year in a row before you start talking about canning him.

[Maroondog]

How you lose matters. A big part of the reason that OU earned that #2 preseason ranking is because of Gresham and the returning Heisman trophy winner. Them going down with injuries is beyond Stoops control and rational people (though we're dealing with Sooner fan here) should ajust expectations accordingly. How good would Texas fans feel about the RRS if the shoe was on the other foot and it was Colt that went down in week 1? How good would Florida fans feel about a rematch vs. Bama in the SEC game if Timmy Tebow is not on the field? It's not really rational to expect the same results once you take most of your offense off the field and replace it with a redshirt freshman.

The second thing that any rational person should think about before firing a coach is who they have lined up that they think would do a better job. If I am OU fan, before I fire Stoops for another bowl debacle or loss in the RRS, I am going to make a list of the coaches that I am confident could do better than what Stoops is doing AND who are likely to want to come coach in Norman. That might be a good exercise for anyone here who thinks Stoops seat should be hot. That list is gonna be pretty short I think.

As per your question, OU has had equal or greater success in the roughly one decade since Stoops arrive than any program not named Florida, USC, or LSU,bowl losses notwithstanding. I would wait for several consecutive seasons where Stoops finishes outside of the Big XII CCG before I even ponder warming his seat.

Key word being rational, which you used three times. If the big money alums are unhappy with the results, regardless of injuries or circumstances, they will force the issue.
I don't see it as any different as the second string QB who everybody starts clamoring for if the starter has a bad game or two.

[chhspantherfan]

Key word being rational, which you used three times. If the big money alums are unhappy with the results, regardless of injuries or circumstances, they will force the issue.
I don't see it as any different as the second string QB who everybody starts clamoring for if the starter has a bad game or two.

I though it might be a subliminal message ;)

[wide-e-wide]

The second thing that any rational person should think about before firing a coach is who they have lined up that they think would do a better job.


EXACTLY. This is what I told/tell the idiot Longhorns fans that inevitably call for Mack's head from time to time. Who are you gonna replace him with? They almost always STFU after I say that.

Firebird is right. The guys out there who could be potential replacements are a HUGE part of this. If a big name is there and you feel like he could do a better job....then can him. If you are doing it just to shut people up and there really isn't a better guy available....then you're stupid.

[Favpack]

If those Lexus' (Lexi?) start breaking down, we've got problems.

[pied]

I can't see Stoops getting canned for anything this year. For a fan or coach they have the perfect excuse set up win or lose. "We lost two of the best players and kids in the country on top of having our OL decimated by injury before and after that."

What they do next year is more important, which makes when to play Bradford vs. getting Landry a lot of PT a potentially more difficult decision.

As a fan of a rival, I would always hope for them to be on the coaching carousel. It's not a good place to be nor easy to get off.

[SLC93]

Stoops is absolutely safe this year. What he should be absolutely forced to do is give up that nickname or, at least, modify. " I can get you to the big game" Bob is far more apt, given his extended, recent history. For Stoops to go he'll need to continue to drop games to Mac and lose his bowl games. In my opinion, if this happens this season and next you'll then hear some serious rumblings. What any disgruntled Sooners need to be mindful of is what happens in college when you do not have an elite coach. I would remind them to review all the highlights the program had post Switzer and until Stoops took over. After that six minutes passes perhaps they'll calm down.

[Favpack]

I was joking btw. I don't care for him - but he's one of the top 5 coaches in the country. It would take an epicly bad 5 year stretch. Regardless of the outcome - he's been in 5 of 10 BCS title games.

Paterno, Osborne, Bowden and others have mediocre bowl and title game records. Once you start doing it every year, it's hard to beat quality teams every January.

Of course, Bob has taken that to another level, but he's still safe.

[SLC93]

OU could find itself in a predicament depending on how this all plays out. I think OU is in big time danger on that Miami trip without Bradford. There may not be anything left to play for after that roadie.

OU needs a big time recruiter and big name coach to draw the talent they need to be a top level program. Stoops has been able to do this since he game to OU and a big staple of his recruiting was always his initial dominance of Texas.

Now that Texas has turned the tables, you are seeing OU come back to Earth recruiting wise. Texas is winning a lot of the heads up battles that Stoops would usually get AT LEAST 50-50 on.

Any OU coach must be able to recruit Texas in order to build a big time program. Obviously, Broken Arrow's finest aint going to fill the roster.

If OU decides that Stoops has fallen off enough, they could make a move but they will need to be sure they can get a big time replacement. And that replacement would have to be a dynamic recruiter. Someone like a Charlie Strong perhaps. After all, it wouldn't be the first time they went after a young Florida DC. ;)

No doubt Mac has bridged the distance on the recruiting front but let's not overplay that point. Stoops still comes down every year and snags his share of 5 stars and they quite often the highest rated talent at their position(see McFarland of Lufkin, Washington from Fossill Ridge, Justin Johnson, Adrian Peterson etc .. etc.. Perhaps it's a strategy flaw. Mac seems to target superior talent but talent that blends and balances the roster. He also seems to stress total class strength and bit more than Stoops, especially in recent classes.

[SLC]

I dont think another loss to the 'Horns will get him fired, especially not this season, and I dont forsee them making another big bowl game this season either. I think it would ultimately take OU not winning the Big 12 for a few seasons in a row, while Texas does, couple that with Texas making a title game or 2 with at least one win in it, including them not in at least a BCS game and that might do it. But Maroondog is right in mentioning the boosters, as they ultimately control what goes on, especially at the big schools. We both. at the end of the day, end up comparing one to the other in regards to what the other is doing..Mack might have been fired awile back if OU had won several of those titles, rather than lost them..It comes down to would you rather have loved and lost, then to never have loved at all. I think most of us would say yes to love and lost, you are at least given the chance, as opposed to not at all. The losses in those games can weigh on you, but I would think if they were enough to get your seat hot, then this season would be the one to do it. Yet in talking to several close friends that are OU alums, they contend that he isnt at risk at all, not right now at least.

Ultimatley it would likely take Texas to even the head to head record and Texas to even the conference titles and for OU to be sitting at home watching the 'Horns win another title.

[country club]

Great question Slim. Anything short of being caught with a Tri Delt and a bale of OG Kush and Bobby stays. Probably would have to both happen at the same time, cause seperately he probably still has an office in Norman. I'm a card carrying UT alum it it pains me to say that. I still remember a Texas HS running back that got away, Adrian Peterson. The guy gets results. All jokes aside, multiple years losing to us at The Fair and he gets a pink slip hand delivered. Smart money says he will take another job, before he is asked to leave.

[15Adragon]

Losses to Miami, Texas, Oklahoma State, and possibly another in Kansas or Nebraska would probably put him in the hot seat but Gresham being out for the year, Bradford down for 4 weeks, and the o-line assembled from handing out raffle tickets on campus will cool it off. He might get into more trouble next season with all the NFL departures but it would probably take three 4-5 loss seasons in a row until they actually considered hosing him.

It would take this for starters...

[yankee]

OU could find itself in a predicament depending on how this all plays out. I think OU is in big time danger on that Miami trip without Bradford. There may not be anything left to play for after that roadie.

OU needs a big time recruiter and big name coach to draw the talent they need to be a top level program. Stoops has been able to do this since he game to OU and a big staple of his recruiting was always his initial dominance of Texas.

Now that Texas has turned the tables, you are seeing OU come back to Earth recruiting wise. Texas is winning a lot of the heads up battles that Stoops would usually get AT LEAST 50-50 on.

Any OU coach must be able to recruit Texas in order to build a big time program. Obviously, Broken Arrow's finest aint going to fill the roster.

If OU decides that Stoops has fallen off enough, they could make a move but they will need to be sure they can get a big time replacement. And that replacement would have to be a dynamic recruiter. Someone like a Charlie Strong perhaps. After all, it wouldn't be the first time they went after a young Florida DC. ;)

i seriously question this part of your post.
ou still brings in top 10-15 classes year after year. so far thru the '10 class, i think we're 3rd nationally according to rivals. and ou still continues to draw the majority of its recruiting class from texas, not oklahoma. ou usually gets a few of the top 10-15 recruits in this state, and the rest of the class is generally from texas.

oh...and that's 3 big 12 championships in a row if i remember correctly...

[yankee]

oh and to answer the original post...stoopsy isn't going anywhere, anytime soon...i honestly see him going to the NFL before getting fired, and i'm pretty sure that ain't in his plans right now.




now, as far as the OC and DC getting fired....:rolleyes:;)

[Point Made...]

IF, and when, "Stoop...id" gets canned (not anytime too soon)...You can take it to the bank that every cockroach AD in the country (that is struggling to make $$$) will be crawling towards him like a roach motel! :D

[Point Made...]

i seriously question this part of your post.
ou still brings in top 10-15 classes year after year. so far thru the '10 class, i think we're 3rd nationally according to rivals. and ou still continues to draw the majority of its recruiting class from texas, not oklahoma. ou usually gets a few of the top 10-15 recruits in this state, and the rest of the class is generally from texas.

oh...and that's 3 big 12 championships in a row if i remember correctly...



Ummmm...I hate to bring this up....but that doesn't amount to squat if Texas continues to open up a can of whoop@$$ and O who continues to fall flat on the biggest stage of all.

always remember...everything smells pretty when you're on any form of winning streak...but the moment that streak gets jacked up, or you continue losing to a hated rivalry...everyone starts to smell shhhh...in the air.

It only gets better...what you thought were your most devoted fans? Oh! they'll start treating you like real family... and not invite your @$$ to the barbecue. :D

[yankee]

Ummmm...I hate to bring this up....but that doesn't amount to squat if Texas continues to open up a can of whoop@$$ and O who continues to fall flat on the biggest stage of all.

always remember...everything smells pretty when you're on any form of winning streak...but the moment that streak gets jacked up, or you continue losing to a hated rivalry...everyone starts to smell shhhh...in the air.

It only gets better...what you thought were your most devoted fans? Oh! they'll start treating you like real family... and not invite your @$$ to the barbecue. :D

ummm...i hate to bring this up...the ou/tx may be the biggest game of the season for both teams, but there are 11 other regular season games that are played. and the trip to kansas city was not one of the trips texas made the last 3 years.

[33Blood]

If the NCAA actually sticks it to them for one of their many infractions and that coincides with a mediocre season he would get fired.

[Firebird]

EXACTLY. This is what I told/tell the idiot Longhorns fans that inevitably call for Mack's head from time to time. Who are you gonna replace him with? They almost always STFU after I say that.

Firebird is right. The guys out there who could be potential replacements are a HUGE part of this. If a big name is there and you feel like he could do a better job....then can him. If you are doing it just to shut people up and there really isn't a better guy available....then you're stupid.

Unless they start turning in consecutive 4, 5 loss seasons, Hornfan or Soonerfan would both be crazy to call for MB or Stoopies' heads. They are two of the best football coaches in the nation and there might be a list of 2 or 3 that MIGHT be better or equal. And they aren't leaving to Norman or Austin.

[farmerfan]

OU along with Robert = second most overrated program and coach in CFB history.

[Point Made...]

ummm...i hate to bring this up...the ou/tx may be the biggest game of the season for both teams, but there are 11 other regular season games that are played. and the trip to kansas city was not one of the trips texas made the last 3 years.

quit doing the "side-step"...even you know that a rivalry carries serious weight...sometimes too much imo....and by big stage...I meant THE NC BIG STAGE....where millions more tune in.

[farmerfan]

History shows that OU and Stoops have never faired well on the national title stage. Never ever.

[wide-e-wide]

Yankee you sure take a lot of pride in those conference titles. If you win the Big XII only to get your :Censor: handed to you in a bowl game...is it really something to brag about? Me personally...I wouldn't take any pride in that. In fact after what happened in Omaha (I know this is a football board but follow me) I totally forgot about winning the Big XII until I saw it on the UT website. If your goal is the national title...and you don't win it...the conference titles don't mean :Censor:. JMO dude.

[DragonBand06]

Yankee you sure take a lot of pride in those conference titles. If you win the Big XII only to get your :Censor: handed to you in a bowl game...is it really something to brag about? Me personally...I wouldn't take any pride in that. In fact after what happened in Omaha (I know this is a football board but follow me) I totally forgot about winning the Big XII until I saw it on the UT website. If your goal is the national title...and you don't win it...the conference titles don't mean :Censor:. JMO dude.Wideman is back. Football is back. All is right with the world. :D

[farmerfan]

Yankee you sure take a lot of pride in those conference titles. If you win the Big XII only to get your :Censor: handed to you in a bowl game...is it really something to brag about? Me personally...I wouldn't take any pride in that. In fact after what happened in Omaha (I know this is a football board but follow me) I totally forgot about winning the Big XII until I saw it on the UT website. If your goal is the national title...and you don't win it...the conference titles don't mean :Censor:. JMO dude.

That's easy to say when you support a team that has only won 1 of those conference titles in the last 13 years.
Football different than basketball and baseball. You do not have to win your conference to be in contention to win a national title in those sports, just get into the tourney and get hot then, in football you pretty much do. I know I know Nebraska '01 and '03 OU, but they seem to be the exception to the rule. OU = class of Big 12 and if you are not the class of your conference at least more than 1 time in a 13 year period you will not be in contention to win national titles.

[wide-e-wide]

That's easy to say when you support a team that has only won 1 of those conference titles in the last 13 years.
Football different than basketball and baseball. You do not have to win your conference to be in contention to win a national title in those sports, just get into the tourney and get hot then, in football you pretty much do. I know I know Nebraska '01 and '03 OU, but they seem to be the exception to the rule. OU = class of Big 12 and if you are not the class of your conference at least more than 1 time in a 13 year period you will not be in contention to win national titles.


When was the last time UGA won a national title?
Now you can kindly STFU Dave.

You wanna argue stats? OU wins the conference title debate....at least now they do....
but let's talk about REAL stats.

and you using the world "class" and "OU" or "stoops" in the same sentence makes me want to punch somebody.
Seriously...did you just do that?


When you can stay within ....psssh I dunno....10 points of a very very OVER-RATED Okie Lite team....then and only then will we ask for your input.
Until then go back to pleasuring yourself about how great the SEC is and kiss your Bear Bryant photos. The proof is in the GD pudding bro....Stoops ain't .... in the big game.

[farmerfan]

When was the last time UGA won a national title?
Now you can kindly STFU Dave.

Before I was born. Should I bring up the last time they played Texas though?;)

[wide-e-wide]

Before I was born. Should I bring up the last time they played Texas though?;)

Oooh you suck. Have I told you I hate you lately?

[farmerfan]

Oooh you suck. Have I told you I hate you lately?

HAHA
Don't worry. THe UGA dynasty is probably going to take a back seat in gymnastics next year. Legendary coach Susan Yoculan has retired. The gymdogs regin could be over :Censor::Censor::Censor:

OU sucks? ;)

[yankee]

Yankee you sure take a lot of pride in those conference titles. If you win the Big XII only to get your :Censor: handed to you in a bowl game...is it really something to brag about? Me personally...I wouldn't take any pride in that. In fact after what happened in Omaha (I know this is a football board but follow me) I totally forgot about winning the Big XII until I saw it on the UT website. If your goal is the national title...and you don't win it...the conference titles don't mean :Censor:. JMO dude.

you'd take pride in those big XII titles if your team ever ******* won any. oh wait, i forgot...you guys got one. ;)


honestly, the ou chokes stuff in the big game is beating a dead horse...but i'll admit (how can i not?) that stoops/ou has sucked it up big time the last several years in the bowl games. i guess if you guys want us to stop choking, you should at least win a god damn conference title, not once a decade. :)

[farmerfan]

yankee, edit post please. mainly something in that last line you wrote. that will offend a lot of people. thanks. ;)

[mad_fan]

TheGreatOne made me think about something in a PM he sent me. I just wonder exactly what would have to happen in order for Big Game Bob to get canned?
Another loss to Mack coupled with another debacle in a bowl game?...I think that might put him on the hot seat. There are those within the OU faithful that think no matter what Stoops does he should NEVER be fired. Well my friends that is a dangerous game to play. EVERY coach should know that he is not immune to being fired....this includes Mack Brown, Les Miles,....ANYBODY.


What do you guys think?

I disagree...

Signed,
Charlie...

[TXFOOSBALL]

yankee, edit post please. mainly something in that last line you wrote. that will offend a lot of people. thanks. ;)


...says the village drunk

[farmerfan]

...says the village drunk

show me where I have used GD. I simply pointed out to him that, that word will offend a lot of people nothing more nothing less. was not casting a stone.
now carry on.

[slorch]

Yankee you sure take a lot of pride in those conference titles. If you win the Big XII only to get your :Censor: handed to you in a bowl game...is it really something to brag about? Me personally...I wouldn't take any pride in that. In fact after what happened in Omaha (I know this is a football board but follow me) I totally forgot about winning the Big XII until I saw it on the UT website. If your goal is the national title...and you don't win it...the conference titles don't mean :Censor:. JMO dude.

Nice rationalization of your own team's shortcomings...goes both ways, not just with Stoops and Co.

[TXFOOSBALL]

show me where I have used GD. I simply pointed out to him that, that word will offend a lot of people nothing more nothing less. was not casting a stone.
now carry on.

I was looking for a few hours and I could not find proof of you using GD. No not really. I just wanted to call you a drunk. I bet you own the margaritaville machine and the margarita tailgate grill huh?

[farmerfan]

I was looking for a few hours and I could not find proof of you using GD. No not really. I just wanted to call you a drunk. I bet you own the margaritaville machine and the margarita tailgate grill huh?

No sir. Can't say that I own any of those. However I do live near a QT and they sell Dox Equis in a can and that is FTW

[wide-e-wide]

Nice rationalization of your own team's shortcomings...goes both ways, not just with Stoops and Co.

Dude I could care less about conference titles....especially if Texas gets them and then loses a BCS game. What bizzaro world are you people from where conference titles are more important than winning bowl games?
pssh...whatever

Yeah winning a conference title game against Mizzou or Colorado is impressive. ESPECIALLY when you LOST TO YOUR RIVAL the same year. And you're quickly becoming the Buffalo Bills of college football...so you got that going for you...which is nice.

[Point Made...]

you'd take pride in those big XII titles if your team ever ******* won any. oh wait, i forgot...you guys got one. ;)


honestly, the ou chokes stuff in the big game is beating a dead horse...but i'll admit (how can i not?) that stoops/ou has sucked it up big time the last several years in the bowl games. i guess if you guys want us to stop choking, you should at least win a god damn conference title, not once a decade. :)


Wow! :eek: ...speaks volumes about your poise and character...or lack thereof.

[slorch]

Dude I could care less about conference titles....especially if Texas gets them and then loses a BCS game. What bizzaro world are you people from where conference titles are more important than winning bowl games?
pssh...whatever

Yeah winning a conference title game against Mizzou or Colorado is impressive. ESPECIALLY when you LOST TO YOUR RIVAL the same year. And you're quickly becoming the Buffalo Bills of college football...so you got that going for you...which is nice.

I guess those Holiday and Alamo Bowl tilts must have been so satisfying.

Granted, my team has the same thing, but they're not "elite" like your boys...

[Firebird]

When it comes to conference titles, winning one is always better than not winning one. Takes some real mental gymnastics to convince yourself otherwise. According to this logic, every team not named Florida sucked exactly the same last year. That's going to make a lot of Iowa State fans happy.

[Firebird]

On the other, hand, maybe I'm wrong. Conference titles aren't important. Any old fool with an asterisk can win one....

[farmerfan]

Dude I could care less about conference titles....especially if Texas gets them and then loses a BCS game. What bizzaro world are you people from where conference titles are more important than winning bowl games?
pssh...whatever

Yeah winning a conference title game against Mizzou or Colorado is impressive. ESPECIALLY when you LOST TO YOUR RIVAL the same year. And you're quickly becoming the Buffalo Bills of college football...so you got that going for you...which is nice.

To be the Buffalo Bills wouldn't they have to be titleless? I seem to recall a pretty special year in '00 for the Zero's. The past is the past regardless if it is 8 years ago or 3 years ago.

[WestPlano006]

Everyone acts like because we got upset by a decent team that Stoops is suddenly on the hot seat. I can guarantee you Joe Castiglione is not complaining at all right now.... Stoops got the team to big bowl games and got the athletic department huge payouts for them.

Conference titles must mean nothing now days... do they measure success in Holiday Bowl trips now? Or is it Alamo Bowls? Yes, Texas has had the upper hand head-to-head the past 4 years. Does anyone really care at the end of the season? I guess the only people that care are the ones sitting at home crying while someone else is out on the field playing for the right to be conference champions. I would gladly take a loss against Texas and a conference title in the same year.

The whole rivalry thing is cool, but trying to say a win over your rival is more important than a conference title is a joke. So you are saying you would rather go 1-11 and beat OU than 11-1 losing to OU, while claiming a conference title?

In terms of recruiting in Texas, yes that is important for OU to get talent from Texas. However, if you look at OU right now, there are 3 of the best players in the nation at their position in Jermaine Gresham, Sam Bradford, and Gerald McCoy. Guess what? They are all home grown, and before injuries, all were going to be top 20 picks.

And spare me the inbred trailer trash comebacks, we aren't in middle school anymore. I expect more from such intelectually superior Longhorn fans that are so much better than everyone else.

[WestPlano006]

quit doing the "side-step"...even you know that a rivalry carries serious weight...sometimes too much imo....and by big stage...I meant THE NC BIG STAGE....where millions more tune in.

And who was on that stage last year? "Point Made", if you will.

[tayb]

Funny how the only measure of success is conference championship games right? No mention at all of post-season success. You would think, being so much more successful and winning so many conference championships, that OU would have a closet full of post-season hardware. I see two trophies, both are over 6 years old.

This is the nature of college football I suppose. Yankees won the division how many times in a row? Made the playoffs how many times in a row? Really is irrelevant because they kept being swept in the first round, and ole Torre eventually got the boot after 8 years of post-season ineptitude even though he managed to win 4 championships for the Yankees in the 90s. I really gotta ask, how many more years will it be just cool to win the conference, line up against some scrub from the north, and then lose in the post-season? I know you all put on the "conference championships are so much more important" shirt but it's total BS. You want to win in the post-season, don't even feed me the line of bull that it doesn't really matter.

[Firebird]

Funny how the only measure of success is conference championship games right? No mention at all of post-season success. You would think, being so much more successful and winning so many conference championships, that OU would have a closet full of post-season hardware. I see two trophies, both are over 6 years old.

This is the nature of college football I suppose. Yankees won the division how many times in a row? Made the playoffs how many times in a row? Really is irrelevant because they kept being swept in the first round, and ole Torre eventually got the boot after 8 years of post-season ineptitude even though he managed to win 4 championships for the Yankees in the 90s. I really gotta ask, how many more years will it be just cool to win the conference, line up against some scrub from the north, and then lose in the post-season? I know you all put on the "conference championships are so much more important" shirt but it's total BS. You want to win in the post-season, don't even feed me the line of bull that it doesn't really matter.

Crappy analogy because there is no post season like that in college football. It's as if the Yankees were always losing against the NL champs in the WS, while the Sox were pounding their chests about beating the third place NL team in a post-season exhibition. If conference championships don't mean anything, then exhibition bowl games mean even less. Any bowl game trophy that's not a crystal football means about as much as a youth soccer league participation trophy.

If conference titles don't matter, then why do the asterisks want one so much?

[tayb]

Crappy analogy because there is no post season like that in college football. It's as if the Yankees were always losing against the NL champs in the WS, while the Sox were pounding their chests about beating the third place NL team in a post-season exhibition. If conference championships don't mean anything, then exhibition bowl games mean even less. Any bowl game trophy that's not a crystal football means about as much as a youth soccer league participation trophy.

If conference titles don't matter, then why do the asterisks want one so much?

It's not a crappy analogy. It's just as much of a shove in the face of Red Sox fans for the Yankees to win the division as it is for Oklahoma fans to win the South. Ask farmer if you don't believe that.

I never said conference titles don't matter. I merely said that they aren't the ONLY thing that matters. They matter plenty, but so does post-season success, which doesn't seem to be mentioned.

[SLC]

Everyone acts like because we got upset by a decent team that Stoops is suddenly on the hot seat. I can guarantee you Joe Castiglione is not complaining at all right now.... Stoops got the team to big bowl games and got the athletic department huge payouts for them.

Conference titles must mean nothing now days... do they measure success in Holiday Bowl trips now? Or is it Alamo Bowls? Yes, Texas has had the upper hand head-to-head the past 4 years. Does anyone really care at the end of the season? I guess the only people that care are the ones sitting at home crying while someone else is out on the field playing for the right to be conference champions. I would gladly take a loss against Texas and a conference title in the same year.

The whole rivalry thing is cool, but trying to say a win over your rival is more important than a conference title is a joke. So you are saying you would rather go 1-11 and beat OU than 11-1 losing to OU, while claiming a conference title?

In terms of recruiting in Texas, yes that is important for OU to get talent from Texas. However, if you look at OU right now, there are 3 of the best players in the nation at their position in Jermaine Gresham, Sam Bradford, and Gerald McCoy. Guess what? They are all home grown, and before injuries, all were going to be top 20 picks.

And spare me the inbred trailer trash comebacks, we aren't in middle school anymore. I expect more from such intelectually superior Longhorn fans that are so much better than everyone else.


Agreed. I want to win all games against everyone, especially rivals, but if there is one thing I want that Texas doesn't have enough of, it is the conference championships, however, when mentioning overall results past a rivalry game, conference titles and winning your last game must held in similar regard, maybe not equal, but similar. In other words my season feels incomplete if I lose to a rival, my season feels incomplete if I dont win the conference title and my season feels incomplete if I dont win my bowl game.

[Firebird]

It's not a crappy analogy. It's just as much of a shove in the face of Red Sox fans for the Yankees to win the division as it is for Oklahoma fans to win the South. Ask farmer if you don't believe that.

I never said conference titles don't matter. I merely said that they aren't the ONLY thing that matters. They matter plenty, but so does post-season success, which doesn't seem to be mentioned.

It is a crappy analogy. What you call "post-season success" is nothing of the sort. We aren't talking here about one team that wins a district championship and then gets knocked out in the first, while the runner up advances all the way to semis. We're not talking about a wildcard that makes it to the WS while the division winner goes down in the first round.

You're bragging about exhibition games. That's all any bowl aside from the NC game is. A town and sponsor puts them on to make money, and get college football fans to drop some coin. Winning the Alamo Bowl is nice, but it's not a freaking accomplishment on the level of a BCS conference championship. You wouldn't be playing in that crappy bowl if you had won your conference.

A better analogy is that OU has been making it into the NCAA tourney (the only post season that matters) and you have been making it into the NIT (meaningless, exhibition "post season) and going farther, then thumping your chest.

The only people making this argument are the UT fans. No one who doesn't back the Horns will ever try to say that winning the Alamo or Holiday Bowl should be mentioned in the same breath as winning the Big XII Championship. Last season is a tougher call, I will admit that. I can see the legitimate argument there given the weird way the season ended up. UT, by finishing tied for the Big XII South and winning their bowl and beating OU has a good case to say they were the better team.

[mad_fan]

You're bragging about exhibition games. That's all any bowl aside from the NC game is.

I can name ZERO posters that would agree...
Have you been around here at bowl time???
Post season 'exhibition' game records are tossed around here like they mean the world...

[tayb]

It is a crappy analogy. What you call "post-season success" is nothing of the sort. We aren't talking here about one team that wins a district championship and then gets knocked out in the first, while the runner up advances all the way to semis. We're not talking about a wildcard that makes it to the WS while the division winner goes down in the first round.

You're bragging about exhibition games. That's all any bowl aside from the NC game is. A town and sponsor puts them on to make money, and get college football fans to drop some coin. Winning the Alamo Bowl is nice, but it's not a freaking accomplishment on the level of a BCS conference championship. You wouldn't be playing in that crappy bowl if you had won your conference.

A better analogy is that OU has been making it into the NCAA tourney (the only post season that matters) and you have been making it into the NIT (meaningless, exhibition "post season) and going farther, then thumping your chest.

The only people making this argument are the UT fans. No one who doesn't back the Horns will ever try to say that winning the Alamo or Holiday Bowl should be mentioned in the same breath as winning the Big XII Championship. Last season is a tougher call, I will admit that. I can see the legitimate argument there given the weird way the season ended up. UT, by finishing tied for the Big XII South and winning their bowl and beating OU has a good case to say they were the better team.

NCAA to NIT? That's an even worse analogy. The National Championship game is the NCAA and every BCS bowl is the NIT? Tell that to USC. That's ridiculous. You are calling every single bowl, BCS or not, besides the National Championship game an exhibition? What? USC is considered one of the most successful programs this decade but according to you the only thing they've accomplished is one BCS NCG and a bunch of "exhibition" wins.

Texas fans don't brag about Holiday Bowl or Alamo Bowl wins, they brag about the Rose Bowl(s) and the Fiesta Bowl. Oklahoma brags about conference championships.

[Firebird]

NCAA to NIT? That's an even worse analogy. The National Championship game is the NCAA and every BCS bowl is the NIT? Tell that to USC. That's ridiculous. You are calling every single bowl, BCS or not, besides the National Championship game an exhibition? What? USC is considered one of the most successful programs this decade but according to you the only thing they've accomplished is one BCS NCG and a bunch of "exhibition" wins.

Texas fans don't brag about Holiday Bowl or Alamo Bowl wins, they brag about the Rose Bowl(s) and the Fiesta Bowl. Oklahoma brags about conference championships.

B.S. they don't. Like I said, last season you have more of an argument. Every non-BCS bowl is about as meaningful as the NIT, a BCS bowl that is not the NC game only slightly more so.

[Firebird]

I can name ZERO posters that would agree...
Have you been around here at bowl time???
Post season 'exhibition' game records are tossed around here like they mean the world...

They're exhibition games. They are loosely governed by conference tie ins, and aside from the BCS games, the organizers go out and try to match up the two teams they think will give the best ratings and get the best crowd. Then they hand out a bowl championship trophy, so that whoever didn't win their conference and get to play in a meaningful game can say they were the Alamo/Gator/Meineke Bowl champions.

[tayb]

B.S. they don't. Like I said, last season you have more of an argument. Every non-BCS bowl is about as meaningful as the NIT, a BCS bowl that is not the NC game only slightly more so.

There are 64 team in the NCAA tournament. How many bowl games are there? 33? There about 66 teams playing bowls? How, exactly, is playing in a bowl not a BCS about as meaningful as the NIT. Sitting at home all Christmas break is about as meaningful as the NIT. Non BCS bowls don't mean nearly as much but comparing them to the NIT bracket is just ridiculous.

And Texas fans have NEVER claimed a Holiday Bowl win or Alamo Bowl win was superior to a conference championship.

[mad_fan]

They're exhibition games. They are loosely governed by conference tie ins, and aside from the BCS games, the organizers go out and try to match up the two teams they think will give the best ratings and get the best crowd. Then they hand out a bowl championship trophy, so that whoever didn't win their conference and get to play in a meaningful game can say they were the Alamo/Gator/Meineke Bowl champions.

I guess what is 'meaningful' is defined by the fan...

[Firebird]

There are 64 team in the NCAA tournament. How many bowl games are there? 33? There about 66 teams playing bowls? How, exactly, is playing in a bowl not a BCS about as meaningful as the NIT. Sitting at home all Christmas break is about as meaningful as the NIT. Non BCS bowls don't mean nearly as much but comparing them to the NIT bracket is just ridiculous.

And Texas fans have NEVER claimed a Holiday Bowl win or Alamo Bowl win was superior to a conference championship.

You weren't on here after the Boise State win....

As far as your first statement--- teams in the NIT and teams not playing in BCS bowls are:

1. All playing in the "post season".
2. All have exactly the same shot at the national title (that would be zero).

Sorry you can't see the obvious similarities.

[Firebird]

There are 64 team in the NCAA tournament. How many bowl games are there? 33? There about 66 teams playing bowls? How, exactly, is playing in a bowl not a BCS about as meaningful as the NIT. Sitting at home all Christmas break is about as meaningful as the NIT. Non BCS bowls don't mean nearly as much but comparing them to the NIT bracket is just ridiculous.

And Texas fans have NEVER claimed a Holiday Bowl win or Alamo Bowl win was superior to a conference championship.

In that case, then even going by your logic, you have to accept the conclusions I reached. The only years that Texas has an argument for accomplishing more than OU are:

1. 2005 (we all admit that right off the bat)
2. 2008 (I'm ready to admit that UT has a good argument, as the Big XII South rep last year was decided by tiebreaker and not on the field)

2004, the Rose Bowl win, the Horns don't have an argument. Why? Because they:

1. Lost head to head against OU
2. Lost the conference title

All they have to lean on is a BCS win against a Michigan team that also wasn't good enough to play for the MNC.

[Point Made...]

And who was on that stage last year? "Point Made", if you will.



"Point" taken...:notworthy

But it's still silly to be slapped around in front of millions....MORE THAN ONCE. :D

[Point Made...]

Funny how the only measure of success is conference championship games right? No mention at all of post-season success. You would think, being so much more successful and winning so many conference championships, that OU would have a closet full of post-season hardware. I see two trophies, both are over 6 years old.

This is the nature of college football I suppose. Yankees won the division how many times in a row? Made the playoffs how many times in a row? Really is irrelevant because they kept being swept in the first round, and ole Torre eventually got the boot after 8 years of post-season ineptitude even though he managed to win 4 championships for the Yankees in the 90s. I really gotta ask, how many more years will it be just cool to win the conference, line up against some scrub from the north, and then lose in the post-season? I know you all put on the "conference championships are so much more important" shirt but it's total BS. You want to win in the post-season, don't even feed me the line of bull that it doesn't really matter.


Yeah, not a good comparison because...(even though I'm not Yankees fan)...I know exactly who the yankees are AND WHAT THEY'VE ACCOMPLISHED.

[wide-e-wide]

Just so we're clear on all of this...

Losing to your biggest rival, winning the conference title, and losing again in the national title game is better than...

Beating your biggest rival, not winning the conference, and winning a bowl game...

????

Just wanna make sure I'm up to speed here in the Twilight Zone. Last time I checked finishing the season with 1 loss was better than finishing with 2 losses. Of course what the hell do I know...I wasn't a math major.

[Firebird]

Just so we're clear on all of this...

Losing to your biggest rival, winning the conference title, and losing again in the national title game is better than...

Beating your biggest rival, not winning the conference, and winning a bowl game...

????

Just wanna make sure I'm up to speed here in the Twilight Zone. Last time I checked finishing the season with 1 loss was better than finishing with 2 losses. Of course what the hell do I know...I wasn't a math major.

2008 Texas has an extremely persuasive argument thanks to the way the Big XII South representative was represented and the way OU finished the season.

Other years, not so much.

[mad_fan]

Just so we're clear on all of this...

Losing to your biggest rival, winning the conference title, and losing again in the national title game is better than...

Beating your biggest rival, not winning the conference, and winning a bowl game...
????

Just wanna make sure I'm up to speed here in the Twilight Zone. Last time I checked finishing the season with 1 loss was better than finishing with 2 losses. Of course what the hell do I know...I wasn't a math major.

That bowl game was a meaningless exhibition...:rolleyes:

[wide-e-wide]

FWIW I'm not saying that Stoops should be fired anytime soon. I was just wondering what it would take for that to happen. I give the guy credit for winning a ton of games. I do think he should surrender the name "Big Game Bob" though.

Some of you guys wouldn't give Mack any credit if he won the next 10 Big XII titles. I can only imagine what the same people would be saying if he constantly choked in big games.

[SLC]

FWIW I'm not saying that Stoops should be fired anytime soon. I was just wondering what it would take for that to happen. I give the guy credit for winning a ton of games. I do think he should surrender the name "Big Game Bob" though.

Some of you guys wouldn't give Mack any credit if he won the next 10 Big XII titles. I can only imagine what the same people would be saying if he constantly choked in big games.


You'll have to get the media to remove that title, it is them who gave it to him.

[farmerfan]

FWIW I'm not saying that Stoops should be fired anytime soon. I was just wondering what it would take for that to happen. I give the guy credit for winning a ton of games. I do think he should surrender the name "Big Game Bob" though.

Some of you guys wouldn't give Mack any credit if he won the next 10 Big XII titles. I can only imagine what the same people would be saying if he constantly choked in big games.

Just like a lot of the Horn fans on here do not give OU any credit for winning 6conference titles simply saying that those do not mean anything. I think a lot of people have laid off on Mack since the '04 season. I think a lot of people, haters included have accepted that Texas is indeed a great program with a great coach. We had this discussion over the off-season and the only fan base in the country I have seen commen that conference championships as meaningless are the majority of the Texas fans we have on this board, SLC and Pied not included.. Funny how that seems to happen though.

[farmerfan]

You'll have to get the media to remove that title, it is them who gave it to him.

In fairness to Bob, I do not recall hearing that name used by the media or Sooner fans in a long time. I think they stopped using that after that '05 Orange Bowl loss to USC.

[SLC]

In fairness to Bob, I do not recall hearing that name used by the media or Sooner fans in a long time. I think they stopped using that after that '05 Orange Bowl loss to USC.

I believe you are right. I haven't heard much of it since then.

[farmerfan]

There are 64 team in the NCAA tournament. How many bowl games are there? 33? There about 66 teams playing bowls? How, exactly, is playing in a bowl not a BCS about as meaningful as the NIT. Sitting at home all Christmas break is about as meaningful as the NIT. Non BCS bowls don't mean nearly as much but comparing them to the NIT bracket is just ridiculous.

And Texas fans have NEVER claimed a Holiday Bowl win or Alamo Bowl win was superior to a conference championship.

You might now have doen it but I do remember on this site reading quite a few comments saying it was better to win the Alamo Bowl or Holiday Bowl than go to the Fiesta and lose it. It has happend time and time again the past few years with the struggles of OU against Boise, WVU, UF while Texas enjoyed playing the likes of Iowa and Arizona St before this past year when they played Ohio St.

[yankee]

You might now have doen it but I do remember on this site reading quite a few comments saying it was better to win the Alamo Bowl or Holiday Bowl than go to the Fiesta and lose it. It has happend time and time again the past few years with the struggles of OU against Boise, WVU, UF while Texas enjoyed playing the likes of Iowa and Arizona St before this past year when they played Ohio St.

and don't forget how just about every ut fan predicted a blowout of the suckeyes ;)...and it took a last minute (literally) touchdown to win the game.

[farmerfan]

and don't forget how just about every ut fan predicted a blowout of the suckeyes ;)...and it took a last minute (literally) touchdown to win the game.

Oh yeah. I remember after USC beat the Buckeyes that a lot of UT and non-UT fans were screaming how overrated the Buckeyes were and how much they sucked. Then after the Penn St game, the same thing. I do remember a lot of people and in fairness to the UT fans there were plenty of non-UT fans that were convinced that UT was going to blow them out.

[Firebird]

You might now have doen it but I do remember on this site reading quite a few comments saying it was better to win the Alamo Bowl or Holiday Bowl than go to the Fiesta and lose it. It has happend time and time again the past few years with the struggles of OU against Boise, WVU, UF while Texas enjoyed playing the likes of Iowa and Arizona St before this past year when they played Ohio St.

Thank you...I remember this very clearly after the Alamo bowl win over Iowa... an bowl game that bears no resemblance at all to a post season exhibition game....:rolleyes:

[farmerfan]

Thank you...I remember this very clearly after the Alamo bowl win over Iowa... an bowl game that bears no resemblance at all to a post season exhibition game....:rolleyes:

Yeah I remember that one all to well. I also remember the Holiday Bowl one as well. It cracked me up. UT fans were saying that going to a BCS bowl game was worse than going to San Antonio and winning against the likes of 5 or 6 loss Iowa. A game that once again came down to the final minute if memory serves me right.

[pied]

It also ended in a "W", a 10+ winning season, and a victory over Stoops that year.

[pied]

I do think it's an interesting discussion though. There have been several coaches/teams known for getting to the big one and losing it. Some were able to fight through and some not. If Stoops had lost the title game against FSU, might he have been run off now?

I certainly would like to have more conference titles, but one thing to keep in mind is this is likely the Golden Age of this rivalry. Both teams are perrenial National Title contenders and have been for nearly 10 years. Certainly was not that way in the 90's, maybe in the very early 80's, but they also were not conference rivals and not for the length of time.

[farmerfan]

It also ended in a "W", a 10+ winning season, and a victory over Stoops that year.

That it did but if memory serves me right they also lost to K-State and A&M that year and I believe 4 games and I can't recall the K-State season but I do not recall A&M going to a bowl game that year? Or might have that been the Holiday Bowl season?

[farmerfan]

I do think it's an interesting discussion though. There have been several coaches/teams known for getting to the big one and losing it. Some were able to fight through and some not. If Stoops had lost the title game against FSU, might he have been run off now?

I certainly would like to have more conference titles, but one thing to keep in mind is this is likely the Golden Age of this rivalry. Both teams are perrenial National Title contenders and have been for nearly 10 years. Certainly was not that way in the 90's, maybe in the very early 80's, but they also were not conference rivals and not for the length of time.

That is a fair question and one that begs the return of, had the '05 Horns not run the table and won it all that year and say slipped up in the bowl game or regular season and not won it all, what would the Horn fans be saying about Mack right now?
Had Stoops lost that game he probably would have been run of by now, that game and season did a lot to bring back credibility to OU and their recruting efforts in Texas and nation wide.

[BDB]

That it did but if memory serves me right they also lost to K-State and A&M that year and I believe 4 games and I can't recall the K-State season but I do not recall A&M going to a bowl game that year? Or might have that been the Holiday Bowl season?

i'll take beating stoops with a bowl victory and losing to k-state and aggy over beating aggy and k-state but losing to stoops and not winning a bowl game.

[farmerfan]

i'll take beating stoops with a bowl victory and losing to k-state and aggy over beating aggy and k-state but losing to stoops and not winning a bowl game.

At least you're honest. Gotta appreciate that :notworthy

[BDB]

At least you're honest. Gotta appreciate that :notworthy

eh. i can wash the aggy/k-state loss off with the earnings from the bowl game victory....that stoops smell lasts a whole year....

[twcpfan1]

At least you're honest. Gotta appreciate that :notworthy

it was the alamo bowl against 8th placed in the big 10 Iowa.

So I don't know.

If they'd beaten aTm and kstate that year, and lost to ou they might have been in a BCS bowl or at the very least in a much better bowl game than the fiesta texas bowl.

[farmerfan]

eh. i can wash the aggy/k-state loss off with the earnings from the bowl game victory....that stoops smell lasts a whole year....

Stoops is an incredible Human being. Might be the greatest in the history of the World. If I am going to lose to a coach I would take losing to the Greatness of Stoops over anybody else. Save for maybe Pete Carroll.

[BDB]

it was the alamo bowl against 8th placed in the big 10 Iowa.

So I don't know.

If they'd beaten aTm and kstate that year, and lost to ou they might have been in a BCS bowl or at the very least in a much better bowl game than the fiesta texas bowl.

the k-state loss (06) was a must, and loss that followed, as well.

the 07 year was proof of how much texas lost after 05/06.

06 (with a healthy mccoy), texas is a bcs team. not in 07. i'll say that, right now.

[BDB]

Stoops is an incredible Human being. Might be the greatest in the history of the World. If I am going to lose to a coach I would take losing to the Greatness of Stoops over anybody else. Save for maybe Pete Carroll.

no matter how many times you say that, it won't make taylor swift's music suck any less.

[twcpfan1]

the k-state loss (06) was a must, and loss that followed, as well.

the 07 year was proof of how much texas lost after 05/06.

06 (with a healthy mccoy), texas is a bcs team. not in 07. i'll say that, right now.

If memory serves me right, Texas was a certainty to go to a BCS bowl had they not lost to aTm in 06 even with the loss to kstate.

[farmerfan]

If memory serves me right, Texas was a certainty to go to a BCS bowl had they not lost to aTm in 06 even with the loss to kstate.

They would have gone to the Big 12 championship game which would have given them a very good shot of landing in the Fiesta Bowl and having the luxury of taking on Boise St.

[farmerfan]

the k-state loss (06) was a must, and loss that followed, as well.

the 07 year was proof of how much texas lost after 05/06.

06 (with a healthy mccoy), texas is a bcs team. not in 07. i'll say that, right now.

So can OU say the same thing about having a healthy White against '03 LSU? He did injur his throwing hand if memory serves me right in the Big 12 title game that year.
What about the games agaisnt WVU and Boise St, I believe OU had some guys that were not 100% in those games to along with some other starters who did not play.

[farmerfan]

no matter how many times you say that, it won't make taylor swift's music suck any less.

Taylor Swifts music does not suck, Big Boy ;) Gotta give that one to Mack on the new ESPN commercial this week. I will admit that one is a funny commercial :notworthy

[BDB]

Taylor Swifts music does not suck, Big Boy ;) Gotta give that one to Mack on the new ESPN commercial this week. I will admit that one is a funny commercial :notworthy

i've LOL'ed at that soo many times.

[farmerfan]

i've LOL'ed at that soo many times.

Dude I havent stopped laughing at that today from the first time I saw it.

We don't freestyle Texas Fight, BIG BOY - :notworthy

[BDB]

So can OU say the same thing about having a healthy White against '03 LSU? He did injur his throwing hand if memory serves me right in the Big 12 title game that year.
What about the games agaisnt WVU and Boise St, I believe OU had some guys that were not 100% in those games to along with some other starters who did not play.

i think the white arguement is okay, but he was really immobile and from what i remember from the game lsu had some speedfreaks on that d-line in 03....right? so it's hard to say.

imo, running a spread attack and losing your quarterback (with a backup with no experience) is almost debilitating to the team. i know that is gonna get some fingers blazing, but i would think losing a receiver or runningback would have been an easier transition for texas, than losing mccoy.

i will say that mccoy wasn't the same after that hit against k-state. even if he was okay'd to play, he wasn't ready to be on the field. he could barely throw out-routes.

[BDB]

Dude I havent stopped laughing at that today from the first time I saw it.

We don't freestyle Texas Fight, BIG BOY - :notworthy

that's gotta go down as one of the classics for espn commercials.

[WestPlano006]

So can OU say the same thing about having a healthy White against '03 LSU? He did injur his throwing hand if memory serves me right in the Big 12 title game that year.
What about the games agaisnt WVU and Boise St, I believe OU had some guys that were not 100% in those games to along with some other starters who did not play.

This is pretty much what I think about 06 and 07. Malcolm Kelly, hands down the best deep threat on the team those years, did not play during the bowl games. In addition, we had some of our defensive studs out. Regardless, we should have beaten Boise State, and the WV game was just terrible. Having DeMarco against Florida would have been nice as well, but we still could have blown that game up had we scored on those 2 posessions inside the 10. What could have been....

Stoops does anger me sometimes, me and a lot of my friends feel he's lost his swagger. Regardless of his shortcomings in bowl games, he has a winning record against Texas, and he brought OU out of the dark ages in the 90's. He was also the fastest coach to 100 wins in history. He is not perfect at all, but he is still one of the better coaches in college football today.

I know everyone knows of Switzer as one of the dirtiest coaches ever, but he also won OU some titles. He had some downright miserable seasons, but he also had some great ones. In Stoops's tenure, the only average season's I can think of are 1999 where we lost in a crappy bowl to Ole Miss, and 2005 when the team was unranked almost all year long but ended up beating #5 Oregon in the Holiday Bowl. There are teams out there that would pay millions and millions to Stoops to have the overall success that OU has had in this decade. Nobody has played for more championships than OU. That is what the program is about. You can't win them all.

I will call for Stoops's head when he has a losing season. I don't see that happening any time soon.

[WestPlano006]

that's gotta go down as one of the classics for espn commercials.

That one is hilarious.

Also,
"Hi my name is Kirk, aka Salsa Boy"

[BDB]

That one is hilarious.

Also,
"Hi my name is Kirk, aka Salsa Boy"

:notworthy that one is GREAT!

[Firebird]

In fairness to Bob, I do not recall hearing that name used by the media or Sooner fans in a long time. I think they stopped using that after that '05 Orange Bowl loss to USC.

Just change it to Big XII Bob, because the rest of the conference has to call him daddy.

[SLC]

Just change it to Big XII Bob, because the rest of the conference has to call him daddy.



Ouch!

You know, I, as much as anybody, wish that wasn't true..But, sadly, it is.

[Firebird]

Ouch!

You know, I, as much as anybody, wish that wasn't true..But, sadly, it is.

I hate the gooners, too, when they aren't playing Texas. When they are they're my second favorite team.

[SLC]

I hate the gooners, too, when they aren't playing Texas. When they are they're my second favorite team.


I feel the same with anyone playing them...funny though, I dont feel that way with A&M, they just dont register that way with me, the way the great teams do.

[Firebird]

I feel the same with anyone playing them...funny though, I dont feel that way with A&M, they just dont register that way with me, the way the great teams do.

zing....:(

[yankee]

boomer gooner.

[wide-e-wide]

This is pretty much what I think about 06 and 07. Malcolm Kelly, hands down the best deep threat on the team those years, did not play during the bowl games. In addition, we had some of our defensive studs out. Regardless, we should have beaten Boise State, and the WV game was just terrible. Having DeMarco against Florida would have been nice as well, but we still could have blown that game up had we scored on those 2 posessions inside the 10. What could have been....

Stoops does anger me sometimes, me and a lot of my friends feel he's lost his swagger. Regardless of his shortcomings in bowl games, he has a winning record against Texas, and he brought OU out of the dark ages in the 90's. He was also the fastest coach to 100 wins in history. He is not perfect at all, but he is still one of the better coaches in college football today.

I know everyone knows of Switzer as one of the dirtiest coaches ever, but he also won OU some titles. He had some downright miserable seasons, but he also had some great ones. In Stoops's tenure, the only average season's I can think of are 1999 where we lost in a crappy bowl to Ole Miss, and 2005 when the team was unranked almost all year long but ended up beating #5 Oregon in the Holiday Bowl. There are teams out there that would pay millions and millions to Stoops to have the overall success that OU has had in this decade. Nobody has played for more championships than OU. That is what the program is about. You can't win them all.

I will call for Stoops's head when he has a losing season. I don't see that happening any time soon.

I will be so glad when OU fans are forced to take that little quip out of their arsenal....and it will happen.

[wide-e-wide]

I hate the gooners, too, when they aren't playing Texas. When they are they're my second favorite team.

Wow
If I ever refer to any team playing OU as my "second favorite team" please revoke my college football fan pass and shoot me in the face. Don't get me wrong...OU losing doesn't cause me to break down and cry....but I prefer to play an undefeated Sooner team and be the first to beat them. I would feel a little too much like a certain fanbase down in College Station if I openly rooted against OU and called their opponent my "second favorite team".

[hunterbunter]

I hate OU.


Thats really about it.

[yankee]

I will be so glad when OU fans are forced to take that little quip out of their arsenal....and it will happen.

and if that day ever comes...you can bet your sweet *** we'll continue to use it until then. ;)

[lonny23]

I tried to get my .02 in last week, but didn't. I look at things on several levels:

1. Stoops has a lot of Big 12 titles, 1 national title, and quite a few title games. He has clout to put up with a few seasons of less than the best.
2. Bob coaches at OU, who expects a lot, but not like crazy SEC fans.
3. Coaches get fired for losing to rivals or appearing to be losing ground to others.
4. You should never change unless you have a better plan and teams blow it many times.
5. I don't think the OU fans are crazy enough to push Bob out until he starts having losing seasons a couple times every 5 years or consistent 7-5 and 8-4 type years for about 5 years.

Now saying that, I don't think OU will ever be again with Stoops what they've been so far. I don't see a stud QB coming after Bradford and OU plays off of good QB play. My mantra is, "If Leach doesn't recruit you at QB, you're not that good in the passing game." Leach wanted Colt and Gilbert and he wanted Bradford. He didn't want any of the OSU QB's or the others for Texas and OU for 2010 or previous years.

OU and A&M will remain bigger rivals on and off the field, but there will be more at stake in the UT-Tech games in the next 5 years. It's always a little shaky when you have to strongly rely on an out of state recruiting base like the Sooners and Cowboys do. I think both teams will always get people from Texas, but my point is that you hate it when you don't have enough in your own state. The viability of OU and OSU rests strongly on the Texas teams not appealing to the local kids. Texas does a good job keeping people, Tech gets better each year, Baylor will probably keep working their way back up, and who knows what A&M will do. I just don't think the Okie schools will play as high in the future.

At some point, OU is going to have to do what Tech is doing now. There is a mind warp on many kids minds in this state that keeps them out of Lubbock, but Tech already has a good stake in Oklahoma every year getting 3 or 4 of the top 15 players most years, gets kids out of Tennessee most years, but the best part is they've tapped into the Louisiana and Florida pipelines and won't stop anytime soon. Kids nationally are really starting to enjoy watching Tech play on TV and they don't care where it's at. OU better start recruiting nationally hardcore because they're not going to get as many top notch Texas kids as before. Last year was the true start of OU losing players to Tech after they started losing guys to Texas before that.

Just to be clear, I'm not saying OU is about to fall apart. I just think they'll be #3 in the South pretty soon.

[slorch]

Wow
If I ever refer to any team playing OU as my "second favorite team" please revoke my college football fan pass and shoot me in the face. Don't get me wrong...OU losing doesn't cause me to break down and cry....but I prefer to play an undefeated Sooner team and be the first to beat them. I would feel a little too much like a certain fanbase down in College Station if I openly rooted against OU and called their opponent my "second favorite team".

Is it OK to root for whomever is playing UT?:o:D

[slorch]

and if that day ever comes...you can bet your sweet *** we'll continue to use it until then. ;)

as you should.

[pied]

Couple of points.

Mack is 5-6 against ou.

Stoops is 6-4 against Texas (and Mack).

Mack could be .500 w/ou this year.

I hate a$m as much as ou. I think that is because of when I was in school. At that time, we were a$m's ^&%$. My mother in law has a passion against Arkansas that I just don't have.

The '06 collapse was pretty severe from the time Colt got hurt going into the end zone. Pretty drastic effect on the season looking back on it. Loss to KState, we were #4. Dropped to #11 after the a$m loss(which is easy to assume a differnt result w/a healthy Colt as a homer fan).

ou sucks

[WestPlano006]

Just to be clear, I'm not saying OU is about to fall apart. I just think they'll be #3 in the South pretty soon.

I couldn't disagree more

[wide-e-wide]

Just to be clear, I'm not saying OU is about to fall apart. I just think they'll be #3 in the South pretty soon.

I don't know about all that.

[Firebird]

Within three years, we'll all be wondering when Tech will ever NOT be in the CCG and BCS NC game, and Mike Leach will have turned down several offers to coach the Dallas Cowboys and Pittsburgh Steelers at $50 million guaranteed per year for life in order to stay at Texas Tech. He'll still fly to interviews just for grins though.

[slorch]

Within three years, we'll all be wondering when Tech will ever NOT be in the CCG and BCS NC game, and Mike Leach will have turned down several offers to coach the Dallas Cowboys and Pittsburgh Steelers at $50 million guaranteed per year for life in order to stay at Texas Tech. He'll still fly to interviews just for grins though.

nice try at channelling JTK, but not quite there yet...:rolleyes:

[farmerfan]

I couldn't disagree more

Me either. OU has done as good of a job as any school in the Big 12 at recruting on a national level. They do not have a problem landing kids from across the country. Tech lands a few kids from Florida and Louisiana and Lonny all the sudden ready to claim a Tech surge in the Big 12. OU going to be fine

[SLC]

I couldn't disagree more


Agreed. For the foreseeable future, OU and UT will continue to be the driving force in the South.

[lonny23]

Me either. OU has done as good of a job as any school in the Big 12 at recruting on a national level. They do not have a problem landing kids from across the country. Tech lands a few kids from Florida and Louisiana and Lonny all the sudden ready to claim a Tech surge in the Big 12. OU going to be fine
OU can and does recruit nationally some, but they generally don't do much. They depend heavily on Texas, but will need to start to change their focus. Texas will by and large probably always focus heavily in state.

[farmerfan]

OU can and does recruit nationally some, but they generally don't do much. They depend heavily on Texas, but will need to start to change their focus. Texas will by and large probably always focus heavily in state.

You are right

Signed
Lance Mitchell, Roy Williams, DeMarco Murray, Andre Woolfolk, Antwone Savage, Josh Heupel, Torrence Marshall, Pasha Jackson, Mark Bradley, Donte Nicholson and many more studs that have played for OU.
Why are they going to need to start to change their focus on Texas? Because Sam Bradford got hurt? Good gawd man.

[yankee]

OU can and does recruit nationally some, but they generally don't do much. They depend heavily on Texas, but will need to start to change their focus. Texas will by and large probably always focus heavily in state.

stop, just stop.

[slorch]

You are right

Signed
Lance Mitchell, Roy Williams, DeMarco Murray, Andre Woolfolk, Antwone Savage, Josh Heupel, Torrence Marshall, Pasha Jackson, Mark Bradley, Donte Nicholson and many more studs that have played for OU.
Why are they going to need to start to change their focus on Texas? Because Sam Bradford got hurt? Good gawd man.

pump the brakes or you'll be at the bottom of the cliff before you can scream, "TIN FOIIIIIIIIL!!!!!!!"

[lonny23]

You are right

Signed
Lance Mitchell, Roy Williams, DeMarco Murray, Andre Woolfolk, Antwone Savage, Josh Heupel, Torrence Marshall, Pasha Jackson, Mark Bradley, Donte Nicholson and many more studs that have played for OU.
Why are they going to need to start to change their focus on Texas? Because Sam Bradford got hurt? Good gawd man.
Typically OU might get 1-2 a year from out of state it seems.

I said OU was going to need to change their focus because I don't think they have anybody to carry on the mantle from Bradford and in turn I don't think they'll play as high as they've been doing. I think many of the Texas teams being on an upswing will also hurt OU. My point was that I don't think they'll get the same talent from Texas as before and will need to go national to stay on top.

[farmerfan]

Typically OU might get 1-2 a year from out of state it seems.

I said OU was going to need to change their focus because I don't think they have anybody to carry on the mantle from Bradford and in turn I don't think they'll play as high as they've been doing. I think many of the Texas teams being on an upswing will also hurt OU. My point was that I don't think they'll get the same talent from Texas as before and will need to go national to stay on top.

Keep thinking that Lonny. Keep thinking.

[WestPlano006]

Basically, from what I am reading, Lonny is trying to say Tech is going to get the players from Texas that OU would normally get.

[farmerfan]

Basically, from what I am reading, Lonny is trying to say Tech is going to get the players from Texas that OU would normally get.

I think that is a very accurate way to sum it up

[slorch]

Basically, from what I am reading, Lonny is trying to say Tech is going to get the players from Texas that OU would normally get.

I'd take that in a heartbeat. Tommie Harris, AD, Dvoracek, Malcolm Kelly...

Yeah, I'd take those guys.

Don't see that happening, or even beginning to happen. On the flip side, I do like Tech's strategy of fishing elsewhere. We have signed good kids from Tennesse, Georgia, La, and ( in 2010) Florida. Nobody ever said our kids HAD to be from Texas. I appreciate Leach and staff adjusting their efforts.

[farmerfan]

I'd take that in a heartbeat. Tommie Harris, AD, Dvoracek, Malcolm Kelly...

Yeah, I'd take those guys.

Don't see that happening, or even beginning to happen. On the flip side, I do like Tech's strategy of fishing elsewhere. We have signed good kids from Tennesse, Georgia, La, and ( in 2010) Florida. Nobody ever said our kids HAD to be from Texas. I appreciate Leach and staff adjusting their efforts.

I believe Lonny did. He hates traitors, remember? I mean if those kids going to Oklahoma are traitors and not worth getting then why would he want a kid who leaves La or Mississippi or Georgia for Tech?;)

In all seriousness though I do like to see A&M and Tech take their efforts elsewhere. A&M done an outstanding job in Louisiana and it would not shock me to see Sherman try to tap into Mississippi and possibly Florida down the road. There are kids outside of the state of Texas worth looking at and it seems the schools in Texas are hesitant in going after those guys.

[SLC93]

Basically, from what I am reading, Lonny is trying to say Tech is going to get the players from Texas that OU would normally get.

:D

What should be more concerning for any school outside of this state is the maturation of the programs at Houston and Baylor coupled with the continued excellence at TCU. As those programs continue rise and gain notoriety the kids from this state will recognize they have another handful of excellent options at their disposal here at home. The 5 star kids are always gonna go to the elite programs but the above mentioned can eat into the 3 & 4 star group. They're big, well funded, with name coaches or risers at hc and have good conference affiliations. If this continues and AM ever becomes relevant again schools like LSU, OSU and Oklahoma will feel it one the recruiting trail.

[slorch]

I believe Lonny did. He hates traitors, remember? I mean if those kids going to Oklahoma are traitors and not worth getting then why would he want a kid who leaves La or Mississippi or Georgia for Tech?;)

.

Ok I got freaking corrected on that one harder than a nun with a new ruler...

[farmerfan]

ok i got freaking corrected on that one harder than a nun with a new ruler...

I try
:D

[E-Vol-ution]

Lose to Nebraska.........I thought you knew.

[Firebird]

Typically OU might get 1-2 a year from out of state it seems.
I said OU was going to need to change their focus because I don't think they have anybody to carry on the mantle from Bradford and in turn I don't think they'll play as high as they've been doing. I think many of the Texas teams being on an upswing will also hurt OU. My point was that I don't think they'll get the same talent from Texas as before and will need to go national to stay on top.

2010: Four non Texas/Non Okie players committed, all 4* or better
2009: Seven non Texas/Non Okie players committed, only 2 4*, the rest 3*
2008: Seven non Texas/Non Okie players committed, 4 4* or better
2007: Six non Texas/Non Okie players committed, 4 4* or better

Please keep the hard hitting factual analysis coming.

[lonny23]

I think that is a very accurate way to sum it up
No, I was saying that Texas would get the caliber of players that OU was used to getting and the other teams in Texas with good programs would get more and more good players and it would start to freeze OU out some and they'd need to take a more national approach. Since I've said Tech's program is on the upswing, I do think they'll start getting better and better players in Texas, but I'm perfectly fine with top-notch guys out of state.

[lonny23]

I'd take that in a heartbeat. Tommie Harris, AD, Dvoracek, Malcolm Kelly...

Yeah, I'd take those guys.

Don't see that happening, or even beginning to happen. On the flip side, I do like Tech's strategy of fishing elsewhere. We have signed good kids from Tennesse, Georgia, La, and ( in 2010) Florida. Nobody ever said our kids HAD to be from Texas. I appreciate Leach and staff adjusting their efforts.
Leach was forced to look elsewhere. The kids in Texas cry about going 400-500 miles away, but we can get guys from over 1000 away.

The funny thing about this whole mess is I've basically said OU was losing ground getting the kids in Texas they want (Losing them to Texas mostly now) and others say it, but my affiliation clouds me saying what others say. It only makes sense that as you lose ground, you have to look to new avenues and OU can't keep up with Texas based on Oklahoma kids only (OU does have a good thing going at Bishop Gorman in Vegas). For the morons that don't root for the red and black, you seem to forget that 3 guys switched commitments from OU to Tech in 09. It's not like I make the stuff up!:D I've spent a lot of time on her talking about loyalty and the whole 9 yards, but generally speaking I think most guys across the U.S. are more than willing to stay in state if they have good viable options to be on a good team.

OU's recruiting success in Texas is predicated quite a bit on the shortcomings and failures of Texas teams relative to them. Adding the SWC teams to the Big 8 didn't help OU's recruiting in my eyes. It helped the non-Oklahoma teams get more players from Texas, but it was a game of Russian Roulette for OU to go head to head against Texas in the Big 12 and potentially lose out on the field and in recruiting. It's not like being a big fish in the Big 8 and parlaying that into recruits without ever being much of a measuring stick to Texas like it is now.

[lonny23]

I believe Lonny did. He hates traitors, remember? I mean if those kids going to Oklahoma are traitors and not worth getting then why would he want a kid who leaves La or Mississippi or Georgia for Tech?;)

In all seriousness though I do like to see A&M and Tech take their efforts elsewhere. A&M done an outstanding job in Louisiana and it would not shock me to see Sherman try to tap into Mississippi and possibly Florida down the road. There are kids outside of the state of Texas worth looking at and it seems the schools in Texas are hesitant in going after those guys.
I have never, ever said kids from out of state shouldn't come to Texas. All I've ever said was kids from Texas shouldn't go out of state. In my books, kids from the bodering states are making their lives better coming to Texas (Most cases).;)

Tech in no way has ever been hesitant about going out of state with Leach around. The difference is the amount of effort has ramped up each year. I like all the time in Florida and Louisiana.

[lonny23]

:D

What should be more concerning for any school outside of this state is the maturation of the programs at Houston and Baylor coupled with the continued excellence at TCU. As those programs continue rise and gain notoriety the kids from this state will recognize they have another handful of excellent options at their disposal here at home. The 5 star kids are always gonna go to the elite programs but the above mentioned can eat into the 3 & 4 star group. They're big, well funded, with name coaches or risers at hc and have good conference affiliations. If this continues and AM ever becomes relevant again schools like LSU, OSU and Oklahoma will feel it one the recruiting trail.
That's exactly what I was talking about in my posts. Not only is Tech going to take away from OU, but so will the other rising powers.

[lonny23]

2010: Four non Texas/Non Okie players committed, all 4* or better
2009: Seven non Texas/Non Okie players committed, only 2 4*, the rest 3*
2008: Seven non Texas/Non Okie players committed, 4 4* or better
2007: Six non Texas/Non Okie players committed, 4 4* or better

Please keep the hard hitting factual analysis coming.
OU has 24 players that are neither from Texas or Oklahoma and over a 5-year period that's about 5 a year.

Of the 24, 9 are either from the state "T-bagging Oklahoma since 1889" (Kansas t-shirts say such) or JUCO's, a couple of which were JUCO's in Kansas.

Once you take out those 9 guys, you have 15 left who could be considered national high school recruits, or 3 a year.

When I made the statement, I didn't really think about the Kansas guys going to OU (Not really that far away), nor did I add in that OU usually adds a few JUCO's each year. OU will need to start adding more than 3 HS guys from around the country in the future.

[Firebird]

OU has 24 players that are neither from Texas or Oklahoma and over a 5-year period that's about 5 a year.

Of the 24, 9 are either from the state "T-bagging Oklahoma since 1889" (Kansas t-shirts say such) or JUCO's, a couple of which were JUCO's in Kansas.

Once you take out those 9 guys, you have 15 left who could be considered national high school recruits, or 3 a year.

When I made the statement, I didn't really think about the Kansas guys going to OU (Not really that far away), nor did I add in that OU usually adds a few JUCO's each year. OU will need to start adding more than 3 HS guys from around the country in the future.

I find it very easy to prove my point when I keep adding qualifications until the information matches what I'm trying to say, too.

[farmerfan]

That's exactly what I was talking about in my posts. Not only is Tech going to take away from OU, but so will the other rising powers.

UH and TCU have been doing pretty dang good since around 2000, maybe not Houston but TCU has, they haven't been able to compete with OU for recruits yet, so why are we to think they will now? Your wishing and hoping but fact is UH and TCU will always be left behind to fight for the kids that OU and UT have passed over.

[farmerfan]

I have never, ever said kids from out of state shouldn't come to Texas. All I've ever said was kids from Texas shouldn't go out of state. In my books, kids from the bodering states are making their lives better coming to Texas (Most cases).;)

Tech in no way has ever been hesitant about going out of state with Leach around. The difference is the amount of effort has ramped up each year. I like all the time in Florida and Louisiana.

Dude you are so hypocrtical it's not even funny. Kids leave Texas to go elsewhere and they are traitors but when the opposite applies they are not? Good god get off your freaking high horse dude. If you are going to set a standard then be consistent with it not twist it to make one place look better over another. I just find it funny how you spend your time sitting here and trashing the states of the South but you have no problem to have their kids come play football for your school.
As for making their lives better, please explain that one to me. I know Tech is a good school but lets not act like they are so much better than Ole Miss, Miss St, LSU, LaLa, La Tech, UF, FSU, Central Florida, South Florida and more. Damn you are some kind of twisted dude.

[farmerfan]

I find it very easy to prove my point when I keep adding qualifications until the information matches what I'm trying to say, too.

:notworthy:notworthy

[lonny23]

I find it very easy to prove my point when I keep adding qualifications until the information matches what I'm trying to say, too.
You're just trying to act like you normally do. You knew what I was saying to start with. It's no great stretch for Tech to get guys from Roswell or Artesia and that's pretty much not even out of state recruiting even though it is. By the same token, OU dipping to DFW or Wichita or along the Arkansas border isn't much of a stretch. That "Not much of a stretch" is the same thing that entices the Texas kids to leave Texas for bordering states.

All I was saying to start with was that OU would need to keep mining Vegas, go to CA, head to FL or any other number of places to get as many 4 and 5-star players in the future. By all means, they can pull some guys out of Kansas and Arkansas, but generally there aren't that many top guys.

[lonny23]

UH and TCU have been doing pretty dang good since around 2000, maybe not Houston but TCU has, they haven't been able to compete with OU for recruits yet, so why are we to think they will now? Your wishing and hoping but fact is UH and TCU will always be left behind to fight for the kids that OU and UT have passed over.
No, I think OU will feel the pain more in future years. To me, recruiting is like an avalanche where getting on a good roll keeps it up and becomes self-sustaining. I think OU will slow down some in upcoming years.

As far as getting scraps, I think TCU has needed to show the consistency to get better and better players and Houston needs some stability. Since neither are BCS teams, I won't say they'll be better than OU with talent, but they will win a few battles. Baylor and Tech are the bigger threats to OU and they'll feel the impact. I'm not saying they're going to be garbage. I just see them dropping off some.

[Firebird]

You're just trying to act like you normally do. You knew what I was saying to start with. It's no great stretch for Tech to get guys from Roswell or Artesia and that's pretty much not even out of state recruiting even though it is. By the same token, OU dipping to DFW or Wichita or along the Arkansas border isn't much of a stretch. That "Not much of a stretch" is the same thing that entices the Texas kids to leave Texas for bordering states.

All I was saying to start with was that OU would need to keep mining Vegas, go to CA, head to FL or any other number of places to get as many 4 and 5-star players in the future. By all means, they can pull some guys out of Kansas and Arkansas, but generally there aren't that many top guys.

Kansas generally puts out at least a couple of four star/five star type guys each year. And when you are talking about 4*/5* type guys, you are by definition recruiting nationally.

By the way, one of the few nationally ranked players to come out of eastern NM recently went to OU, not Tech.

[slorch]

Kansas generally puts out at least a couple of four star/five star type guys each year. And when you are talking about 4*/5* type guys, you are by definition recruiting nationally.

By the way, one of the few nationally ranked players to come out of eastern NM recently went to OU, not Tech.

Lovington NM ring a bell with anyone( hint: Nike Commercial)

[svhorns]

Lovington NM ring a bell with anyone( hint: Nike Commercial)

Urlacher... good job Tech.

[BDB]

Urlacher... good job Tech.

isn't he gettin ready to retire?

[SLC]

isn't he gettin ready to retire?


For this season anyway.

[lonny23]

Kansas generally puts out at least a couple of four star/five star type guys each year. And when you are talking about 4*/5* type guys, you are by definition recruiting nationally.

By the way, one of the few nationally ranked players to come out of eastern NM recently went to OU, not Tech.
I realize he went to OU, but that's fine with me. Leach didn't want him and I don't think he's that great!:D

The Brown Brothers in Kansas are pretty good and the state has a few kids, but traditionally we're talking about a state that has only a handful of decent kids. Kansas has 4 players with 4-stars this year and OU is getting the top 2 players in the state. Rivals only has a Top 15 for Kansas. They have a Top 40 for Oklahoma. New Mexico is so bad they don't have a list!:D

[lonny23]

Urlacher... good job Tech.
He wanted to go to Tech, too. Of course, I've heard Spike wanted Texas kids.

[yankee]

I realize he went to OU, but that's fine with me. Leach didn't want him and I don't think he's that great!:D

The Brown Brothers in Kansas are pretty good and the state has a few kids, but traditionally we're talking about a state that has only a handful of decent kids. Kansas has 4 players with 4-stars this year and OU is getting the top 2 players in the state. Rivals only has a Top 15 for Kansas. They have a Top 40 for Oklahoma. New Mexico is so bad they don't have a list!:D

i guarantee you landry jones tears up that usually pitiful tech secondary the first time ou plays tech with jones under center. we'll see who gets the last laugh then...

[F18mustang]

i guarantee you landry jones tears up that usually pitiful tech secondary the first time ou plays tech with jones under center. we'll see who gets the last laugh then...

Because Artesia, NEW MEXICO football an NFL machine!

[yankee]

Because Artesia, NEW MEXICO football an NFL machine!

bout to be a tech ***-hole rippin machine in a year or two! ;)

[F18mustang]

bout to be a tech ***-hole rippin machine in a year or two! ;)

Scotty Young laughs.

[lonny23]

I don't put full stock in the Rivals rankings because teams can mine talent and there are late bloomers, but I do think the rankings show why the SEC and Big 12 will pull away from other conferences. Current 4/5 star players by states and BCS conferences most aligned with (I know New Mexico and Wyoming are MWC states!):

Primarily SEC (127)
Florida 50
Georgia 26
Louisiana 12
South Carolina 12
Mississippi 10
Alabama 8
Tennessee 6
Arkansas 3
Kentucky 0

Primarily Big 12 (65)
Texas 44
Missouri 7
Oklahoma 6
Kansas 4
Colorado 3
Nebraska 1
New Mexico 0
Wyoming 0

Primarily Pac-10 (57)
California 42
Arizona 3
Oregon 3
Washington 3
Hawaii 3
Utah 2
Nevada 1
Alaska 0
Idaho 0
Montana 0

Primarily Big 10 (48)
Ohio 15
Pennsylvania 10
Michigan 8
Illinois 6
Indiana 5
Minnesota 3
Iowa 1
Delaware 0
North Dakota 0
South Dakota 0
Wisconsin 0

Primarily ACC (35)
North Carolina 14
Virginia 10
Maryland 8
Washington, DC 2
Massachusetts 1
Maine 0
New Hampshire 0
Rhode Island 0
Vermont 0

Primarily Big East (5)
Connecticut 2
New Jersey 2
New York 1
West Virginia 0

[yankee]

Scotty Young laughs.

too bad scotty young is a 4 star qb and not a 4 star dback.

[farmerfan]

I don't put full stock in the Rivals rankings because teams can mine talent and there are late bloomers, but I do think the rankings show why the SEC and Big 12 will pull away from other conferences. Current 4/5 star players by states and BCS conferences most aligned with (I know New Mexico and Wyoming are MWC states!):

Primarily SEC (127)
Florida 50
Georgia 26
Louisiana 12
South Carolina 12
Mississippi 10
Alabama 8
Tennessee 6
Arkansas 3
Kentucky 0

Primarily Big 12 (65)
Texas 44
Missouri 7
Oklahoma 6
Kansas 4
Colorado 3
Nebraska 1
New Mexico 0
Wyoming 0

Primarily Pac-10 (57)
California 42
Arizona 3
Oregon 3
Washington 3
Hawaii 3
Utah 2
Nevada 1
Alaska 0
Idaho 0
Montana 0

Primarily Big 10 (48)
Ohio 15
Pennsylvania 10
Michigan 8
Illinois 6
Indiana 5
Minnesota 3
Iowa 1
Delaware 0
North Dakota 0
South Dakota 0
Wisconsin 0



LOL at you putting the Big 12 in there with the SEC. Simply by your logic because they are number 1 and number 2, well you do realize that the disparity between the Big 10 and Pac 10 to the Big 12 is much much less than what it is from the Big 12 to the SEC. Just using your numbers and logic though so do not let that get in the way :rolleyes:

[WestPlano006]

This is getting to be repetetive and boring

[yankee]

from the class of 2010 so far, OU has 6, 4* star commits from the great state of texas.
looks like we're gonna be scraping the barrel for sure in that state.

[lonny23]

LOL at you putting the Big 12 in there with the SEC. Simply by your logic because they are number 1 and number 2, well you do realize that the disparity between the Big 10 and Pac 10 to the Big 12 is much much less than what it is from the Big 12 to the SEC. Just using your numbers and logic though so do not let that get in the way :rolleyes:
I gave all of Florida to the SEC even though they share the state with other BCS teams. I'm sure you noticed I gave you all of South Carolina and the state is at least half ACC. You got all of Georgia, too. You got Kentucky, but half of nothing is still nothing!

What I didn't say was that border states can get kids from another conference zone. The Big 12 breaks away from the Pac-10 when you consider that they can get more kids from the Big 10/SEC zone than the Pac-10 can steal from them.

You also have to consider that the SEC has to share a recruiting zone with the ACC even though some of the states are hardcore SEC states.

Another thing to consider is that conferences are more viable when they have quite a few states that have considerable talent bases and CA, FL, and TX will always have some good teams because of the talent levels. In the Big 12, the South will pull away. The Pac-10 has been USC for a while and you might have Cal jump up, but generally it will be CA teams at the top. The SEC is sitting fine since they have many states with good talent that will keep the place balanced.

Long term, I think the Big East will fall off and the Big 10 will be sucked dry as the talent keeps getting lower. There is some talent to be had in ACC country, but the SEC will keep them down somewhat. The Pac-10 will be OK, but not great. The money/talent in the Big 12 South will keep them in the headlines. Overall, the SEC will stay the best overall conference because I don't see the Big 12 North doing enough to help us pass the SEC.

I don't have much to gripe about because I figure I'll have a perennial Top 15 team to root for.

[lonny23]

from the class of 2010 so far, OU has 6, 4* star commits from the great state of texas.
looks like we're gonna be scraping the barrel for sure in that state.
You'll be fine this year. I just don't think it will be as good for 2011 and you won't have as many 5-star players in the future.

[yankee]

You'll be fine this year. I just don't think it will be as good for 2011 and you won't have as many 5-star players in the future.

ok.

[WestPlano006]

You'll be fine this year. I just don't think it will be as good for 2011 and you won't have as many 5-star players in the future.

Damn.

[farmerfan]

I gave all of Florida to the SEC even though they share the state with other BCS teams. I'm sure you noticed I gave you all of South Carolina and the state is at least half ACC. You got all of Georgia, too. You got Kentucky, but half of nothing is still nothing!

What I didn't say was that border states can get kids from another conference zone. The Big 12 breaks away from the Pac-10 when you consider that they can get more kids from the Big 10/SEC zone than the Pac-10 can steal from them.
You also have to consider that the SEC has to share a recruiting zone with the ACC even though some of the states are hardcore SEC states.

Another thing to consider is that conferences are more viable when they have quite a few states that have considerable talent bases and CA, FL, and TX will always have some good teams because of the talent levels. In the Big 12, the South will pull away. The Pac-10 has been USC for a while and you might have Cal jump up, but generally it will be CA teams at the top. The SEC is sitting fine since they have many states with good talent that will keep the place balanced.

Long term, I think the Big East will fall off and the Big 10 will be sucked dry as the talent keeps getting lower. There is some talent to be had in ACC country, but the SEC will keep them down somewhat. The Pac-10 will be OK, but not great. The money/talent in the Big 12 South will keep them in the headlines. Overall, the SEC will stay the best overall conference because I don't see the Big 12 North doing enough to help us pass the SEC.

I don't have much to gripe about because I figure I'll have a perennial Top 15 team to root for.

You contradict yourself so much. Earlier in this thread you try to tell us that does not happen especially with the likes of OU and Tech and others and now you are coming in and saying it does? I see you are struggling to get a weak point across now. As for the Pac 10, I seem to recall Oregon and Oregon St winning BCS bowl games within the last 10 years and it seems that Oregon and Oregon St are always near the top of their league so while SC had dominated it, it has not been nearly as easy of a ride as you want to make it sound like.
LOL at Tech being a perennial top 15 team. Wow you are smoking something. Leach has been there 9 years, how many times in his 9 year tenure has he finished in the top 15?