View Full Version : Gresham officially done.
http://www.koco.com/sports/20791683/detail.html
bad deal for him.
or maybe not....
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=422&articleid=20090908_250_0_NORMAN509232
still sucks for him.
Rockets8805
09-08-2009, 12:29 PM
don't players usually miss a considerable amount of time after getting their knee scoped anyways???
wow...even though im a UT fan, that's horrible for ou...i really enjoyed watching him play the last couple of years and, as a former tight end meself, was really hoping he'd have a great senior season
ThEgReAtOnE
09-08-2009, 12:56 PM
What are the chances?...
Jermaine Gresham - Gets MR and returns for 2010 season!
Sam Bradford - Returns for RSR yr.
Gerald McCoy - Returns for RSR yr.
Travis Lewis - Returns for RJR yr.
DeMarco Murray - Returns for RSR yr.
The FAB-5!!!
Hey..
One can only dream..
SLC93
09-08-2009, 01:04 PM
What are the chances?...
Jermaine Gresham - Gets MR and returns for 2010 season!
Sam Bradford - Returns for RSR yr.
Gerald McCoy - Returns for RSR yr.
Travis Lewis - Returns for RJR yr.
DeMarco Murray - Returns for RSR yr.
The FAB-5!!!
Hey..
One can only dream..
To be honest, these injuries only further illustrate the horrible advise some of these kids adhered to when they chose to stay in school. This game is too violent and fortunes can change too quickly not to strike when you're hot. I know we're not discussing career ending situations but you get my drift. As a college fan I'm glad they came back. As a businessman, I was sickened to see some of their decisions. Take the guarantees in life when they present themselves because they do not come around often.
Tough choices for sure, and I'm sure some agents have already updted their pitches to these guys.
Other side of the coin, Stoops may haev some tough decisions. Say Bradford is out 4 weeks, htat puts him back square on the Miami game which does not appear to be that easy. ou should beat Id State easier than easy. Tulsa at home is a bit tougher, but still should be a W. Now you go to Miami and face a very physical defense. Do you sit Bradford to keep him healthy, or healthier?
What if he can't go, you lose to Miami and drop either the Tulsa or Baylor game. You're sitting at 2-3 going into the Texas game. Bradford's going pro. Do you put him back in or keep Landry in and play more for next year?
Rockets8805
09-08-2009, 01:18 PM
Tough choices for sure, and I'm sure some agents have already updted their pitches to these guys.
Other side of the coin, Stoops may haev some tough decisions. Say Bradford is out 4 weeks, htat puts him back square on the Miami game which does not appear to be that easy. ou should beat Id State easier than easy. Tulsa at home is a bit tougher, but still should be a W. Now you go to Miami and face a very physical defense. Do you sit Bradford to keep him healthy, or healthier?
What if he can't go, you lose to Miami and drop either the Tulsa or Baylor game. You're sitting at 2-3 going into the Texas game. Bradford's going pro. Do you put him back in or keep Landry in and play more for next year?
i would think that if bradford were to be able to make his comeback in the miami game, sitting him might be better...dont want to rush him back into the mix...although, if miami has gone undefeated until then, stoops might play for the victory to better his team's resume
HUM398
09-08-2009, 01:23 PM
Tough choices for sure, and I'm sure some agents have already updted their pitches to these guys.
Other side of the coin, Stoops may haev some tough decisions. Say Bradford is out 4 weeks, htat puts him back square on the Miami game which does not appear to be that easy. ou should beat Id State easier than easy. Tulsa at home is a bit tougher, but still should be a W. Now you go to Miami and face a very physical defense. Do you sit Bradford to keep him healthy, or healthier?
What if he can't go, you lose to Miami and drop either the Tulsa or Baylor game. You're sitting at 2-3 going into the Texas game. Bradford's going pro. Do you put him back in or keep Landry in and play more for next year?
From what i understand...Bradford will be reexamined in 2-4 weeks to see the progression of the injury. they are calling it 4 weeks, being the best scenario....he could potentially be out for 6 weeks.
From what i understand...Bradford will be reexamined in 2-4 weeks to see the progression of the injury. they are calling it 4 weeks, being the best scenario....he could potentially be out for 6 weeks.
Even tougher decision in my opinion, unless Jones absolutely sucks. Even in that case, would it be better for the program to get him more reps going into bnext season, instead of tring to play into the Cotton instead of Alamo or whatever.
Maroondog
09-08-2009, 01:55 PM
From what i understand...Bradford will be reexamined in 2-4 weeks to see the progression of the injury. they are calling it 4 weeks, being the best scenario....he could potentially be out for 6 weeks.
Kinda sounds to me like they are saying 2-4 weeks and then we'll let you know how long he'll be out. :confused:
HUM398
09-08-2009, 01:56 PM
Even tougher decision in my opinion, unless Jones absolutely sucks. Even in that case, would it be better for the program to get him more reps going into bnext season, instead of tring to play into the Cotton instead of Alamo or whatever.
its really tough to say. The loss of Gresham and Bradford is a devastating blow. They stand close to no shot against a healthy Texas team without their two best players. The lack of depth at TE and QB is something really hard to overcome with that sort of offensive scheme.....They are going to have to pound the rock to win games while waiting for Bradford to recover. This will be a very different looking Oklahoma team.
HUM398
09-08-2009, 01:59 PM
Kinda sounds to me like they are saying 2-4 weeks and then we'll let you know how long he'll be out. :confused:
Pretty much.
These type of injuries are lingering injuries that just don't go away. To tell people he will be back in 4 weeks is deceptive....and to anyone that actually has sustained that sort of injury before (Myself....a 2nd degree AC sprain) knows that you rehab first, then reexamine to get a better idea of how bad it actually was.
They will know if he needs surgery or not in about 2 weeks...Hopefully it is not season ending(which could be the case if he has damaged any tissues...If it turns out he has a 3rd degree sprain, he is out for most of the season.)....that would be tragic for the young man.
Rockets8805
09-08-2009, 02:02 PM
Pretty much.
These type of injuries are lingering injuries that just don't go away. To tell people he will be back in 4 weeks is deceptive....and to anyone that actually has sustained that sort of injury before (Myself....a 2nd degree AC sprain) knows that you rehab first, then reexamine to get a better idea of how bad it actually was.
They will know if he needs surgery or not in about 2 weeks...Hopefully it is not season ending....that would be tragic for the young man.
is this injury something like an ankle sprain, in that once you do it the first time, its much easier to keep hurting it afterwards, and with each subsequent injury after that? i only ask because i sprained my ankle in middle school, very minor thing, but 4 sprained ankles later, i have half range of motion and tightness in it, and thats just from walking...jw if this injury would be similar
Rockets8805
09-08-2009, 02:06 PM
Bob Stoops on espn just said that gresham's mri isnt showing any damage, hence the scope...but he said it could be anything from a foreign body in his knee that needs to be removed, which has a recovery time of a few weeks, or the cartilage needing to be stitched back together, in which case, he faces about a 5 month recovery time, thus ending his season...
HUM398
09-08-2009, 02:09 PM
is this injury something like an ankle sprain, in that once you do it the first time, its much easier to keep hurting it afterwards, and with each subsequent injury after that? i only ask because i sprained my ankle in middle school, very minor thing, but 4 sprained ankles later, i have half range of motion and tightness in it, and thats just from walking...jw if this injury would be similar
if not rehabbed properly it can be a reoccurring injury. If they rush him to health, it may be the worst case scenario for him. Bradford has to do what is best for him and his future career.....Coming back before you are ready can lead to a RC injury, which can be career ending for quarterbacks.
The AC Joint sprain can turn into a severe shoulder separation..which can turn into a torn Rotator Cuff
Maroondog
09-08-2009, 02:16 PM
if not rehabbed properly it can be a reoccurring injury. If they rush him to health, it may be the worst case scenario for him. Bradford has to do what is best for him and his future career.....Coming back before you are ready can lead to a RC injury, which can be career ending for quarterbacks.
The AC Joint sprain can turn into a severe shoulder separation..which can turn into a torn Rotator Cuff
I too can testify that shoulder rehab, especially a throwing arm with all the movement and such is a b:Censor:ch! Probably the worst area to rehab there is.
Rockets8805
09-08-2009, 02:16 PM
if not rehabbed properly it can be a reoccurring injury. If they rush him to health, it may be the worst case scenario for him. Bradford has to do what is best for him and his future career.....Coming back before you are ready can lead to a RC injury, which can be career ending for quarterbacks.
The AC Joint sprain can turn into a severe shoulder separation..which can turn into a torn Rotator Cuff
oh damn...yeah, i can vouch for the "return too quickly" thing...i was told to rehab my ankle for three weeks and then we would set a recovery time when i got my fourth sprain in hs...but i was told in no uncertain terms by the coaches that i better heal quick, so i was out a week...well, years later, the doc tells me i actually tore ligaments, and doing that (the one week thing) was stupid...
What are the chances?...
Jermaine Gresham - Gets MR and returns for 2010 season!
Sam Bradford - Returns for RSR yr.
Gerald McCoy - Returns for RSR yr.
Travis Lewis - Returns for RJR yr.
DeMarco Murray - Returns for RSR yr.
The FAB-5!!!
Hey..
One can only dream..
Off that list...McCoy, Bradford and Gresham are gone at the end of the season. All 3 are first rounders and high first rounders.
The 2 iffys for me are Lewis and Murray and depending on what Murray does this season, along with what the quality of the draft is at the RB spot, I could see him leaving as well.
Rockets8805
09-08-2009, 02:18 PM
I too can testify that shoulder rehab, especially a throwing arm with all the movement and such is a b:Censor:ch! Probably the worst area to rehab there is.
that's what jacory harris was saying last night, about how his arm went numb and he could only throw with his first two fingers
Rockets8805
09-08-2009, 02:20 PM
Off that list...McCoy, Bradford and Gresham are gone at the end of the season. All 3 are first rounders and high first rounders.
The 2 iffys for me are Lewis and Murray and depending on what Murray does this season, along with what the quality of the draft is at the RB spot, I could see him leaving as well.
as long as murrey doesnt punch any of the other teams' players, he should get drafted pretty high...:eek:
SLC93
09-08-2009, 02:24 PM
if not rehabbed properly it can be a reoccurring injury. If they rush him to health, it may be the worst case scenario for him. Bradford has to do what is best for him and his future career.....Coming back before you are ready can lead to a RC injury, which can be career ending for quarterbacks.
The AC Joint sprain can turn into a severe shoulder separation..which can turn into a torn Rotator Cuff
Had he done this to begin with we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Had he done this to begin with we wouldn't be having this conversation.
I don't hold it against athletes that leave early to get paid. At times the decision doesn't make as much sense for some, but it's their life(and sometimes they really don't have a choice to come back).
I can also see the allure of staying in college despite the pay day. Some things you simply cannot buy or go back to, and your college days(as a youngster) are one of them.
SLC93
09-09-2009, 07:53 AM
I don't hold it against athletes that leave early to get paid. At times the decision doesn't make as much sense for some, but it's their life(and sometimes they really don't have a choice to come back).
I can also see the allure of staying in college despite the pay day. Some things you simply cannot buy or go back to, and your college days(as a youngster) are one of them.
I completely understand the sentiment but it's a foolish way to make a decision that could have dire consequences on the rest of your life. I know it's not a regular occurence but it has happened enough times for kids and their advisors to know better, especially in football. You work to get to a certain point as a player anda prospect and when that bell dings you go, period.
Let's play devil's advocate for a moment and look at Bradford. What if this is a 6 week injury and he suffers a set back in rehab .... and then another ... He returns late in the season, not exactly right, and takes some hits keeping it aggravated. To compensate for the weakness he alters his delivery which only further deteriorates the joint. Try and he might it just never comes back around and his combine and private workouts next spring don't go so well. His physicals are red flagged and a surgery is required. He's still drafted but in the 4th round but just never pans out.
Now, understanding that is probably far fetched, it is not outside of the realm of possibility for that scenario for transpire. Should it, a kid that would have signed as the top pick in the draft and banked a 70 million dollar contract is now out of the league with a couple hundred thousand and, maybe, some insurance money. No fortune for his kid's kid's kid's. No distinguished career as a Pro bowl qb. No playoff wins. No Super Bowls. No Hall of Fame. Still think that magical experience of college is anywhere near worth it? The NFL makes them stay for 3 years so they've experienced quite a bit. It's not the one and done NBA which is really only one semester and done for the elite. Is that last year worth the potential risk to your future, if you're a top prospect? The answer has to be a resounding no.
Favpack
09-09-2009, 08:42 AM
Sam would have been the No. 1 pick over Stafford. Next year - highly unlikely. Plus, you have the whole collective bargaining agreement deal going on.
CCCSportsFan
09-09-2009, 09:03 AM
I too can testify that shoulder rehab, especially a throwing arm with all the movement and such is a b:Censor:ch! Probably the worst area to rehab there is.
I've been there as well Maroondog with a level 3 injury... Rehabbing an AC, and if there is any damage to the rotator cuff, injury is real hard. One of the last motions for me to be able to complete without pain was throwing overhand. And that was months, not weeks, later.
If he doesn't let this heal the right way, it will become chronic in the future.
I completely understand the sentiment but it's a foolish way to make a decision that could have dire consequences on the rest of your life. I know it's not a regular occurence but it has happened enough times for kids and their advisors to know better, especially in football. You work to get to a certain point as a player anda prospect and when that bell dings you go, period.
Let's play devil's advocate for a moment and look at Bradford. What if this is a 6 week injury and he suffers a set back in rehab .... and then another ... He returns late in the season, not exactly right, and takes some hits keeping it aggravated. To compensate for the weakness he alters his delivery which only further deteriorates the joint. Try and he might it just never comes back around and his combine and private workouts next spring don't go so well. His physicals are red flagged and a surgery is required. He's still drafted but in the 4th round but just never pans out.
Now, understanding that is probably far fetched, it is not outside of the realm of possibility for that scenario for transpire. Should it, a kid that would have signed as the top pick in the draft and banked a 70 million dollar contract is now out of the league with a couple hundred thousand and, maybe, some insurance money. No fortune for his kid's kid's kid's. No distinguished career as a Pro bowl qb. No playoff wins. No Super Bowls. No Hall of Fame. Still think that magical experience of college is anywhere near worth it? The NFL makes them stay for 3 years so they've experienced quite a bit. It's not the one and done NBA which is really only one semester and done for the elite. Is that last year worth the potential risk to your future, if you're a top prospect? The answer has to be a resounding no.
Depends on what you value. Some people value money/material items a lot less than experience/relationship/accomplishments. Tough call, and one or two if you include Gresham that may have not have been as wise as they thought originally. it would be a very tough call for me or my family. Hsrd to turn down that much $$$ for the reasons you cited and the reason I don't hold a grudge for the kids who do take it.
I remember after he announced that some draft guys stated that he was not the sure fire #1 that many expected. There were some concerns about his game. Stoops alluded to that and most laughed at him, but he mey have had more inside info into that than we do.
Let me add an adendum. I have known a brother of a former Texas player who came back for his senior year when he was rated a high pick. His draft status was basically the same if I recall correctly. In preparation for the draft his agent set him up in Phoenix to train. He was going to get him a car to use and wanted to know what kind. The player said he didn't need one because he never had one in college and would walk or catch a ride. He has made a ton of $$$ and spends his off time back home with his mom.
He is not the norm, but one example of a player who could earn a lot of money but has no real desire.
HUM398
09-09-2009, 11:59 AM
Saw on Sports center this morning.
Gresham is out for the season.
Rockets8805
09-09-2009, 06:27 PM
Saw on Sports center this morning.
Gresham is out for the season.
yup...just read it on yahoo...that sux...
completely unrelated, but how do u think andre debose being lost for the year as well for florida( partially torn hamstring i think), along w the injuries to sam and gresham, affects this whole natl champ picture???
CCCSportsFan
09-09-2009, 10:52 PM
yup...just read it on yahoo...that sux...
completely unrelated, but how do u think andre debose being lost for the year as well for florida( partially torn hamstring i think), along w the injuries to sam and gresham, affects this whole natl champ picture???
With these 2 key injuries, the Sooners have a very steep hill to climb to make it to the national championship game... I hope for Sam Bradford the injury is only a 3-4 week situation, but it will bother him to an extent the rest of the season even if it is...
yup...just read it on yahoo...that sux...
completely unrelated, but how do u think andre debose being lost for the year as well for florida( partially torn hamstring i think), along w the injuries to sam and gresham, affects this whole natl champ picture???
My belief is that in Florida's case they are going to be fine, and baring a catastrophic injury to a major starter, ie..like a Tebow or Moody, Dempse or Cooper as is the case for OU. Debose is a freshman who, while a very good player, wasn't going to see major action this season.
With the case of OU and their situation, it obviously hurts their chances of making it to the MNC and likely a BCS game as well. For us, it will impact the SOS that we would have had against a healthy OU team and now creates a situation where we need to beat teams by a bigger margin than we might have thought before. We cant mess around at all, we have to get on teams quickly and stay on them the entire game to help overcome some of the SOS we lost with OU losing not only a game, but key pieces to their team as well.
yankee
09-10-2009, 05:12 PM
yup...just read it on yahoo...that sux...
completely unrelated, but how do u think andre debose being lost for the year as well for florida( partially torn hamstring i think), along w the injuries to sam and gresham, affects this whole natl champ picture???
WTF???
an untested true freshman vs. the best tight end in college football.
the impacts each make to the team are worlds apart. it's not even close. florida's going to be very fine without debose.
What injury did Eli Manning have a couple of years ago? It said he had a similar injury and Bradford talked to him about it but it doesn't look like Eli missed a single game. Is there any precedence for how long an injury like this tends to take? Did it end up being a grade 2 or grade 3 shoulder sprain? I hope Bradford gets back quickly and OU manages to win the games while he is gone. I like Bradford. I think he is a total moron for not going pro last season but he is still a good kid.
SLC93
09-11-2009, 08:33 AM
What injury did Eli Manning have a couple of years ago? It said he had a similar injury and Bradford talked to him about it but it doesn't look like Eli missed a single game. Is there any precedence for how long an injury like this tends to take? Did it end up being a grade 2 or grade 3 shoulder sprain? I hope Bradford gets back quickly and OU manages to win the games while he is gone. I like Bradford. I think he is a total moron for not going pro last season but he is still a good kid.
He had a procedure to tighten up the slack in his jaw. The drool puddles were a major safety concern on the sidelines, posing both slip and electrocution hazards. It was an outpatient procedure that has taken nicely. He rehabbed a few days and was back in the line up, completing 56% of his passes and sponging off a great name and defense, by Sunday.:D
Matthew 2000 Eagle
09-11-2009, 11:56 AM
He had a procedure to tighten up the slack in his jaw. The drool puddles were a major safety concern on the sidelines, posing both slip and electrocution hazards. It was an outpatient procedure that has taken nicely. He rehabbed a few days and was back in the line up, completing 56% of his passes and sponging off a great name and defense, by Sunday.:D
That's funny!:notworthy
Rockets8805
09-11-2009, 05:08 PM
WTF???
an untested true freshman vs. the best tight end in college football.
the impacts each make to the team are worlds apart. it's not even close. florida's going to be very fine without debose.
he was touted as possibly being a replacement to percy harvin, especially since florida's receivers receivers weren't "proven" commodities...
damn, it was just a ******* question...
yankee
09-11-2009, 05:46 PM
he was touted as possibly being a replacement to percy harvin, especially since florida's receivers receivers weren't "proven" commodities...
damn, it was just a ******* question...
and a stupid one, at that.
Rockets8805
09-11-2009, 05:47 PM
okay, i apologize for asking a question about something i was wondering...now pardon me while i go back to the yard, where my random musings are better suited...
btw, go **** yourself
yankee
09-11-2009, 05:49 PM
okay, i apologize for asking a question about something i was wondering...now pardon me while i go back to the yard, where my random musings are better suited...
btw, go **** yourself
that's a naughty word.
time out for the noob.
F18mustang
09-11-2009, 05:52 PM
okay, i apologize for asking a question about something i was wondering...now pardon me while i go back to the yard, where my random musings are better suited...
btw, go **** yourself
This is funny.
Not surprising.
Good luck to him in the draft.
University of Oklahoma coach Bob Stoops admitted during Tuesday's weekly press conference that tight end Jermaine Gresham will enter the NFL Draft after this season.
Gresham is out for the year with a cartilage injury to his knee.Because he played as a true freshmen in 2006 he had the option of using this season to redshirt and coming back in 2010. But that will not be the case.
Many draft analysts projected that Gresham would have been a first-round pick had he come out after last season.
This story will be updated as more information becomes available.
http://www.newsok.com/article/3404877
yankee
09-29-2009, 04:41 PM
:Censor:
didn't see that coming.
:Censor:
didn't see that coming.
Seriously?
Favpack
09-29-2009, 04:58 PM
Sam and Jermaine will sadly now be Exhibits 1A and 1B on what to do if you're going to be a first round pick.
Sorry to see it.
Point Made...
09-29-2009, 05:57 PM
To be honest, these injuries only further illustrate the horrible advise some of these kids adhered to when they chose to stay in school. This game is too violent and fortunes can change too quickly not to strike when you're hot. I know we're not discussing career ending situations but you get my drift. As a college fan I'm glad they came back. As a businessman, I was sickened to see some of their decisions. Take the guarantees in life when they present themselves because they do not come around often.
And that's why you take out an insurance policy in case your future is suddenly cut short...ask the McCoy's. ;)
Point Made...
09-29-2009, 06:02 PM
okay, i apologize for asking a question about something i was wondering...now pardon me while i go back to the yard, where my random musings are better suited...
btw, go **** yourself
That was $$$$ !...:D:notworthy
okt0ber
09-29-2009, 07:51 PM
And that's why you take out an insurance policy in case your future is suddenly cut short...ask the McCoy's. ;)
Yeah, and Bradford has the same insurance policy. It's perfectly legit and a smart move.
However, those insurance policies don't cover the lifetime full earning potential of an NFL quarterback.... The premium would be unaffordable for many and I doubt even Lloyds would take on that risk. So, the insurance is nice but not quite there.
:Censor:
didn't see that coming.
how?
svhorns
09-29-2009, 11:58 PM
See ya later Gresham.
yankee
09-30-2009, 12:57 AM
i'll remind everyone to turn their sarcasometers on next time...
Raving Fan
09-30-2009, 11:32 AM
My fondest memories of Jermaine Gresham are the catch down the sidelines against Texas, and the tipped pass off Manual Johnson for a 75 yard TD against Ok St. He is a good Ardmore kid, wish him well in the NFL
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