Cedar Park vs Lake Travis 2009

[Beanz]

Who will win and why?

[Beanz]

i personally think cedar park will take this one... but it will be a defensive battle no matter how loaded either team is.

[Ltcav83]

LT has far too much firepower for Cedar Park. Cedar Park has a really good defense for traditional football, but I would be surprised if they hold LT under 40 points and there is no way Cedar Park gets over 30 points.

[IMHippster]

Cedar Park will get DESTROYED.

[twolf5]

Cedar Park will get DESTROYED.

Define "destroyed" mr hipster

[SP Tiger Backer]

LT has far too much firepower for Cedar Park. Cedar Park has a really good defense for traditional football, but I would be surprised if they hold LT under 40 points and there is no way Cedar Park gets over 30 points.

How does LT vary from traditional football?

[IMHippster]

How does LT vary from traditional football?
Spread, hurryup, lots of passing... CP was made to beat Pflugerville's wing-t. Westlake shut you out in the second half, held you to 14 points and beat you by 10. The gave up 42 to LT, a 4A team, right? You might need to figure that out.

[twolf5]

Spread, hurryup, lots of passing... CP was made to beat Pflugerville's wing-t. Westlake shut you out in the second half, held you to 14 points and beat you by 10. The gave up 42 to LT, a 4A team, right? You might need to figure that out.

Hip Dog, put your money where your mouth is.......define "DESTROYED".

[Ltcav83]

I did not say destroyed. I think Cedar Park has a nice team that will make some noise in the playoffs. I just think that LT's style on offense is just a bad matchup for CP's hardnosed defense.

[Point Made...]

Cedar Park will get DESTROYED.


Dude,

I think your brain is DESTROYED. :D

[Beanz]

Spread, hurryup, lots of passing... CP was made to beat Pflugerville's wing-t. Westlake shut you out in the second half, held you to 14 points and beat you by 10. The gave up 42 to LT, a 4A team, right? You might need to figure that out.

i highly dissagree. im in no way shape or form denying LTs ability, but you cannot compare CPs second half of the Westlake game to LTs set up. CP killed Westlake on the field... killed them. CP was missing their main RB and WR which is part of the reason they did not run up the score board.

Temple's Wing-T is the only reason Lache Seastrunk got a 49 yard td run in the first place (Seastrunk only had 31 yards off of 15 carries the rest of the game). LT does not run a Wing-T, so they are coming with straight up fundamental football, which is a good thing. However, unless LT brings in some trick plays, they are going to have to match up to CP's defensive size and strength (something Lache Seastrunk could not do)... you must be joking if you think LT can do that with Ericson. So now you have to look at talent...

Ericson is definitely at the top of LT's list. Already going to Rice, you know he has some talent, no one denies that. But here's the difference between last year and this year. Holmes Onwukaife is no longer a DE matching up against Paden Kelly (LT's OL Texas commit last year), but now Holmes is a LB lurking for Ericson and Brewster. Along with Holmes is an entire defensive set up that just caused 7 total INTs and FFs on Temple alone (a few of those fumbles came from Lache Seastrunk himself).

So now i ask, what does Ericson have on CP that Lache Seastrunk (THE NATIONS NUMBER 1 RB) doesn't?

Now you have to look at LT's defense... NOT BAD! They have a few good LBs but the question is can they pressure the Thornhill Brothers? ABSOLUTELY NOT. Dom Espinosa is the Center this year and will have something to say for LT's Blitz. But let's say LT doesn't worry about pressuring the Thornhill Bros. let's JUST leave it at LT covering Dylan Cox, Michael Darby, Michael Waterfield, Brad Willard, and Cody Cloud. Yeah... right.

Now let's go to the Atmosphere... LT has won the past 32 games (congrats), but LT is playing the FULL CP TEAM (no weapons missing). Not only that LT is playing the full CP AT CP! LT's chances just dropped a lot.

[Rangerus]

look for Cedar Park to have a little something for the Lake Travis "non-traditional" offense.

Cedar Park feasted on a bevy of Wildcats turnovers to seize a 28-14 victory Friday night at Wildcat Stadium.

A week after they dominated Westlake statistically but still lost 24-14 at home, the Timberwolves came up with seven takeaways — five fumbles and two interceptions — in improving to 1-1.

Although Lache Seastrunk, is rated by Rivals.com as the country's No. 1 running back and No. 2 overall prospect, Onwukaife and Cedar Park's aggressive defense contained the speedy Seastrunk otherwise, limiting him to a total of 80 yards on his 16 carries.

[corycone33]

i highly dissagree. im in no way shape or form denying LTs ability, but you cannot compare CPs second half of the Westlake game to LTs set up. CP killed Westlake on the field... killed them. CP was missing their main RB and WR which is part of the reason they did not run up the score board.

Temple's Wing-T is the only reason Lache Seastrunk got a 49 yard td run in the first place (Seastrunk only had 31 yards off of 15 carries the rest of the game). LT does not run a Wing-T, so they are coming with straight up fundamental football, which is a good thing. However, unless LT brings in some trick plays, they are going to have to match up to CP's defensive size and strength (something Lache Seastrunk could not do)... you must be joking if you think LT can do that with Ericson. So now you have to look at talent...

Ericson is definitely at the top of LT's list. Already going to Rice, you know he has some talent, no one denies that. But here's the difference between last year and this year. Holmes Onwukaife is no longer a DE matching up against Paden Kelly (LT's OL Texas commit last year), but now Holmes is a LB lurking for Ericson and Brewster. Along with Holmes is an entire defensive set up that just caused 7 total INTs and FFs on Temple alone (a few of those fumbles came from Lache Seastrunk himself).

So now i ask, what does Ericson have on CP that Lache Seastrunk (THE NATIONS NUMBER 1 RB) doesn't?

Now you have to look at LT's defense... NOT BAD! They have a few good LBs but the question is can they pressure the Thornhill Brothers? ABSOLUTELY NOT. Dom Espinosa is the Center this year and will have something to say for LT's Blitz. But let's say LT doesn't worry about pressuring the Thornhill Bros. let's JUST leave it at LT covering Dylan Cox, Michael Darby, Michael Waterfield, Brad Willard, and Cody Cloud. Yeah... right.

Now let's go to the Atmosphere... LT has won the past 32 games (congrats), but LT is playing the FULL CP TEAM (no weapons missing). Not only that LT is playing the full CP AT CP! LT's chances just dropped a lot.

lake travis won't beat themselves like temple self destructed. Lake travis by 17

[Kingwolf]

LT by 20, no less....

[twolf5]

I did not say destroyed. I think Cedar Park has a nice team that will make some noise in the playoffs. I just think that LT's style on offense is just a bad matchup for CP's hardnosed defense.

I know it wasn't you. It was mr "IM hip replacement". I'd like him to man up and make a prediction.

It looks like there isn't anyone but Stony Point who's defense has all the tools to beat lake Travis. I'm hoping we are more lucky than good!!

[Beanz]

It looks like there isn't anyone but Stony Point who's defense has all the tools to beat lake Travis. I'm hoping we are more lucky than good!!

oh really? because Rick Cantu from an article at Statesman.com says this

"Does Cedar Park have the best defense in Central Texas?

Rick Cantu: 'Absolutely. The linebackers are maulers. If Cedar Park generates a good offense, a district championship is possible'"

any questions?

[Beanz]

lake travis won't beat themselves like temple self destructed. Lake travis by 17

You say Temple beat themselves??? You must be kidding me.

CP destroyed Temple, Temple did not destroy themselves... CPs defense is packed with monsters, ask any austin coach or austin sports reporter. if that is not enough then go watch the replays from the Temple interceptions/fumbles... it wasn't necessarily Temple's decision making as much as it was CPs defensive pressure and pursuit that caused the turn overs.

[Ltcav83]

twolf5 you are a good poster who calls it like you see it. Beanz, your take on the game is interesting. First, it was not Paden Kelly blocking Holmes last year, but a sophomore tackle named Taylor Doyle. Doyle, a state top 50 player in 2011, stymied him all night long. Also, if you think that stadium atmosphere will intimidate LT, that is laughable.

They destroyed a great Longview team, who just beat #2 5A Allen, in the championship game last year. Longview never came close to stopping LT. You talk about covering all of those CP receivers and all of the other talent on the field. Have you ever even seen LT play?

This may very well be a great game, but as I said earlier, CP's great defense will be tested in very different ways by the best high school coach in the state. I guess we will find out Thursday night.

[Beanz]

twolf5 you are a good poster who calls it like you see it. Beanz, your take on the game is interesting. First, it was not Paden Kelly blocking Holmes last year, but a sophomore tackle named Taylor Doyle. Doyle, a state top 50 player in 2011, stymied him all night long. Also, if you think that stadium atmosphere will intimidate LT, that is laughable.

They destroyed a great Longview team, who just beat #2 5A Allen, in the championship game last year. Longview never came close to stopping LT. You talk about covering all of those CP receivers and all of the other talent on the field. Have you ever even seen LT play?

This may very well be a great game, but as I said earlier, CP's great defense will be tested in very different ways by the best high school coach in the state. I guess we will find out Thursday night.

LT had a very different offense last year, which included Garret Gilbert, that is why they beat Longview. LT still has a good defense and Ericson but McCrary and Pollard(? i think) are gone. As far as Longveiw this year, they are still very good, however Allen lost a lot of their starters from last season so i doubt they will make too much noise in the playoffs this year. I think Longview would beat LT this year, if/when they play. Longview has too good of a defense for this young LT QB to contend (when i say "young" i mean inexperienced).

As far as seeing LT play, I was at the LT-CP game last year at Lake Travis High School. CP shut EVERYONE up on the opening kick off (returning it to the 7) and then scored the first play of the game. LT FANS WERE WORRIED, I remember. CP had control for the most part of the first 3 quarters, then CP decided it would be cool to fumble a kickoff (which LT recovered) and then stop playing defense for some reason. LT gained momentum after that, and, well, that's all she wrote.

However, this season there are no surprises coming to the field. The 2008 National HS Player of the Year (also Gatorade athlete of the year, and many other titles) has left and went to Texas, thus this new field general has to fill the shoes. But filling the gap is not his problem. His problem is the fact that the defense he faces this year is full grown and experienced to LT's offense from the last time LT and CP met up. CP has adjusted to Ericson (much like they adjusted to Seastrunk) so now LT has to go to... who? That's LT's problem.

LT switched Ericson to both a RB and a WR alternate, what happened? No more backs to choose from? and i know the answer is "because Erison can do both", yes he can but he is not nearly suffecient to BE both against CPs defense... that's laughable.

[ATXChap07]

LT switched Ericson to both a RB and a WR alternate, what happened? No more backs to choose from? and i know the answer is "because Erison can do both", yes he can but he is not nearly suffecient to BE both against CPs defense... that's laughable.

LT does have other options at rb, they want to get the ball in Ericson's hands via run/receive/ST becuase he has big play capablities. And he and LT will be effecient enough to beat CP

[Beanz]

LT does have other options at rb, they want to get the ball in Ericson's hands via run/receive/ST becuase he has big play capablities. And he and LT will be effecient enough to beat CP

That's EXACTLY what Temple said about Seastrunk... he got one good run the others he was 31 yards off 15 carries... trust me on this CP is ready.

[gochaps]

While Cedar Park has a very strong defense, Lake Travis has an offense comparable to the likes of SLC and Longview that very few 5A defenses can contain. LT will move the ball against the CP defense and vice versa. But when CP has LT in 3rd and long, just where they want them, LT will find a seam down field! Having seen both, I don't think CP will be able to match the offensive power of LT.

Prediction: Lake Travis by 14.

[Ltcav83]

Beanz,

LT's oline will control CP from the start. You were asking about other options. Conner Floyd caught over 40 balls last year for 800 yards and 7 td's as a sophomore. He caught 6 passes for 160 yards against Westlake. You will find about him soon enough. Westlake has a good team and the scoreboard says that you lost to them by 10. We beat them by 21.

CP will move the ball, but the CP offense will not be able to put up enough points. LT will win by 14-17 points. Dedrict McNight is gone and you guys cannot make any bigs plays against a fast LT defense.

[bowiedawgs01]

i highly dissagree. im in no way shape or form denying LTs ability, but you cannot compare CPs second half of the Westlake game to LTs set up. CP killed Westlake on the field... killed them. CP was missing their main RB and WR which is part of the reason they did not run up the score board.

Temple's Wing-T is the only reason Lache Seastrunk got a 49 yard td run in the first place (Seastrunk only had 31 yards off of 15 carries the rest of the game). LT does not run a Wing-T, so they are coming with straight up fundamental football, which is a good thing. However, unless LT brings in some trick plays, they are going to have to match up to CP's defensive size and strength (something Lache Seastrunk could not do)... you must be joking if you think LT can do that with Ericson. So now you have to look at talent...

Ericson is definitely at the top of LT's list. Already going to Rice, you know he has some talent, no one denies that. But here's the difference between last year and this year. Holmes Onwukaife is no longer a DE matching up against Paden Kelly (LT's OL Texas commit last year), but now Holmes is a LB lurking for Ericson and Brewster. Along with Holmes is an entire defensive set up that just caused 7 total INTs and FFs on Temple alone (a few of those fumbles came from Lache Seastrunk himself).

So now i ask, what does Ericson have on CP that Lache Seastrunk (THE NATIONS NUMBER 1 RB) doesn't?

Now you have to look at LT's defense... NOT BAD! They have a few good LBs but the question is can they pressure the Thornhill Brothers? ABSOLUTELY NOT. Dom Espinosa is the Center this year and will have something to say for LT's Blitz. But let's say LT doesn't worry about pressuring the Thornhill Bros. let's JUST leave it at LT covering Dylan Cox, Michael Darby, Michael Waterfield, Brad Willard, and Cody Cloud. Yeah... right.

Now let's go to the Atmosphere... LT has won the past 32 games (congrats), but LT is playing the FULL CP TEAM (no weapons missing). Not only that LT is playing the full CP AT CP! LT's chances just dropped a lot.

This is just too much. haha

[bowiedawgs01]

oh really? because Rick Cantu from an article at Statesman.com says this

"Does Cedar Park have the best defense in Central Texas?

Rick Cantu: 'Absolutely. The linebackers are maulers. If Cedar Park generates a good offense, a district championship is possible'"

any questions?

You're quoting Cantu to support your position?

[bowiedawgs01]

Oh, Lake Travis by 14.

[Beanz]

Beanz,

LT's oline will control CP from the start. You were asking about other options. Conner Floyd caught over 40 balls last year for 800 yards and 7 td's as a sophomore. He caught 6 passes for 160 yards against Westlake. You will find about him soon enough. Westlake has a good team and the scoreboard says that you lost to them by 10. We beat them by 21.

CP will move the ball, but the CP offense will not be able to put up enough points. LT will win by 14-17 points. Dedrict McNight is gone and you guys cannot make any bigs plays against a fast LT defense.

You are absolutely right. Westlake did put up more points. But read any newspaper review, CP dominated Westlake, just not the scoreboard. That game is way past CP and they will have a full roster against LT, so no excuses.

Floyd was the other receiver I was thinking of I just couldn't remember his name. I was trying to find some stats on him but I couldn't pull up anything. He is the other option when Erickson gets covered up, but if Erickson and Floyd are the only options for this new QB then will it be enough? Take a deeper look at CPs defense.

As for offense. CPs Thornhill brothers, the other 2 runningbacks, and the 5 different receivers will suffice. The statement about McKnight leaving is true but ignorant if that is your reason why CP cannot make big plays... the same ignorant statement can be made about Gilbert leaving but obviously there are other weapons still present.

My question for you is this: Who makes up LT's "fast" defense? Crow and Lazares(?) will not win any foot races but can still make tackles... I haven't heard much about LTs secondary either.

As a side note, CPs LB Holmes Onwukaife ran a faster 40 than McKnight did, but McKnight ran a faster 100.

[bowiedawgs01]

It's all about the system with LT. They have enough athletes to plug into that system. You may not know their names, but that is irrelevant. The system works. Just like it does with SLC, HP, etc.

[Ltcav83]

Beanz,

How on earth with the Thornhill brothers, three other running backs and 5 wide receivers did CP only score 14 on Westlake and 28 on Temple. LT averaged about 50 per game last year and will again this year. If you must know names, then Griffin Gilbert ( 6'6") wr and Tanner Gillette are ones that you will know after Thursday night.

I think it will be a good game to see, but probably everyone other than you thinks that LT will win by more than 10. LT has the best coach in the state and a great system. They play with no fear of losing and are extremely confidant.

Best of luck to a very good CP team.

[bowiedawgs01]

Beanz,

How on earth with the Thornhill brothers, three other running backs and 5 wide receivers did CP only score 14 on Westlake and 28 on Temple. LT averaged about 50 per game last year and will again this year. If you must know names, then Griffin Gilbert ( 6'6") wr and Tanner Gillette are ones that you will know after Thursday night.

I think it will be a good game to see, but probably everyone other than you thinks that LT will win by more than 10. LT has the best coach in the state and a great system. They play with no fear of losing and are extremely confidant.

Best of luck to a very good CP team.

They didn't have the Thornhill RB or one of their top WRs against Cedar Park. But I don't know why they only scored 28 on Temple with them.

[corycone33]

They didn't have the Thornhill RB or one of their top WRs against Cedar Park. But I don't know why they only scored 28 on Temple with them.

They only scored 20 on temple. The last score temple fumbled and it bounced right into the defenders hands, he ran it in for an easy score. They went for two and got the conversion. Thank you very much. Temple deserves some credit. The defense was on the field the whole game because our offense couldn't hang onto the ball.

[bowiedawgs01]

They only scored 20 on temple. The last score temple fumbled and it bounced right into the defenders hands, he ran it in for an easy score. They went for two and got the conversion. Thank you very much. Temple deserves some credit. The defense was on the field the whole game because our offense couldn't hang onto the ball.


That's why I said I had no idea. And obviously I meant against Westlake, not Cedar Park.

The Twolves' offense is too conservative for my tastes. They need to open it up.

[Beanz]

that's why i said i had no idea. And obviously i meant against westlake, not cedar park.

The twolves' offense is too conservative for my tastes. They need to open it up.


i completely agree!

[twolf5]

Great posts! High school football, man, it's awesome.

Just for the record, Mr. "I am a hippienator" you have not stepped up to my challenge and called your shot. Define "destroyed" for us and call the margin for LT's win. Come on big boy.

OK, try to keep this short. LT is the second best team in Centex behind Stony Point. Cedar Park has the honor and pleasure of playing you both. Aren't we lucky! :) LT is a machine, that has a lot of very talented high school players. They believe in themselves and their ability to win, and don't underestimate that. They have a fantastic coaching staff, fan base, etc.

Cedar Park has a lot of talent, but I wouldn't call us a machine by any means. We still have a team "under development". While LT will be 15% better in 4-5 weeks (because of where they are starting from), if Cedar Park stays healthy we will be 50% better in 4-5 weeks. I've said this before but our QB just started playing football again 4 weeks ago now. Micheal Brewer has been non stop preparing for this opportunity for like 5 years. He's a stud, and he's prepared. Our QB is also a stud, but he's just getting his feet wet and will be making huge strides every week for a while.

Darren Thornhill, our RB, didn't play against Westlake and he ripped a VERY athletic and aggressive Temple defense for 120 yards and didn't even play the entire game. He gives us every bit the threat of Dedrick McKnight, but Dedrick had a ton of experience coming into his senior year, D Thornhill did not, so this is really his coming out party and he will be getting better and better. Our Oline is a work in progress as well with 1 senior.

On defense, it will be interesting. Ericson is a stud, and in a much better system than Lache Seastrunk. My prediction is LT will score 24-30 points, and the question will be can our offense match it. I think we have a shot. A real shot.

The kids, coaches, parents at LT are great. We play against them all summer in 7 on 7, (without our current QB btw who didn't play one down of it), we are really excited about the challenge. I think they are going to win State Championship #3 in a row.

Vegas has LT probably by 14, as for me, I'm just excited to watch our kids play and get better. I'd LOVE to win it, but there's no doubt we are the underdogs. I kinda like being underdogs!

[Shamu85]

You're quoting Cantu to support your position?

I am glad I wasn't drinking anything when I read this, I would have blown it through my nose. This is exactly what I thought when I read his post. Cantu, what a source. He cracked me up the other day in the Statesman chat session. I was reading through what those boobs at the AAS had to say, and there is Cantu bad-mouthing what Dave Campbell's Texas Football has to say about a central Texas districe. Those guys don't know jack.

As for the CP fans on this thread, I pity them if they want to come back on here on Saturday, unless they can just avoid everyone.

twolf, here is my "destroy" prediction, LT 48-CP 13

LT may be the best team in the state once again.

[Ltcav83]

twolf5,

I think that you are right on the money. CP will get better and better and that is why I think ( depending on the matchups ) that they have a very good chance to make a run in the playoffs. This experience against good teams and good players ( Seastrunk ) will serve them well.

I will be stunned if LT scores less than 30 but you never know. CP's defense is great in the front 7, but your secondary will be severely tested. On offense I think that you will try to control the ball and LT will try to make plays in the backfield. They will take some chances and CP will have a chance to make big plays.

I think LT wins by 14, but good luck all season to CP!

[twolf5]

I am glad I wasn't drinking anything when I read this, I would have blown it through my nose. This is exactly what I thought when I read his post. Cantu, what a source. He cracked me up the other day in the Statesman chat session. I was reading through what those boobs at the AAS had to say, and there is Cantu bad-mouthing what Dave Campbell's Texas Football has to say about a central Texas districe. Those guys don't know jack.

As for the CP fans on this thread, I pity them if they want to come back on here on Saturday, unless they can just avoid everyone.

twolf, here is my "destroy" prediction, LT 48-CP 13

LT may be the best team in the state once again.

Smack talk from Georgetown? You gotta love it.

[ATXChap07]

That's EXACTLY what Temple said about Seastrunk... he got one good run the others he was 31 yards off 15 carries... trust me on this CP is ready.

Ericson will get at least 20 touches, and last time i checked LT runs the spread, nothing like temple's wing t

[clemensbuff]

You are absolutely right. Westlake did put up more points. But read any newspaper review, CP dominated Westlake, just not the scoreboard. That game is way past CP and they will have a full roster against LT, so no excuses.

Floyd was the other receiver I was thinking of I just couldn't remember his name. I was trying to find some stats on him but I couldn't pull up anything. He is the other option when Erickson gets covered up, but if Erickson and Floyd are the only options for this new QB then will it be enough? Take a deeper look at CPs defense.

As for offense. CPs Thornhill brothers, the other 2 runningbacks, and the 5 different receivers will suffice. The statement about McKnight leaving is true but ignorant if that is your reason why CP cannot make big plays... the same ignorant statement can be made about Gilbert leaving but obviously there are other weapons still present.

My question for you is this: Who makes up LT's "fast" defense? Crow and Lazares(?) will not win any foot races but can still make tackles... I haven't heard much about LTs secondary either.

As a side note, CPs LB Holmes Onwukaife ran a faster 40 than McKnight did, but McKnight ran a faster 100.

The last time I checked, games are not decided by who has more yardage, TOs, return yards...........just flippin points and WL had ten more then CP did!

I sure hope that CP really, really dominates LT because they will need to in order to make up the 10 they lost to WL by and the 21 WL lost to LT by!!!!!!!

I think you may want to listen to the Chap fans on here that are telling you this 'young' QB you are talking about who incidently is a SENIOR is tearing people up. Also, you may have great athletes on the field including your wrecking crew of LBs, but LT wont give a :Censor:, they'll just keep coming after your arse until the last whistle sounds.

Good luck this week, you'll need it because LT is not going down easily!

[twolf5]

The last time I checked, games are not decided by who has more yardage, TOs, return yards...........just flippin points and WL had ten more then CP did!

I sure hope that CP really, really dominates LT because they will need to in order to make up the 10 they lost to WL by and the 21 WL lost to LT by!!!!!!!

I think you may want to listen to the Chap fans on here that are telling you this 'young' QB you are talking about who incidently is a SENIOR is tearing people up. Also, you may have great athletes on the field including your wrecking crew of LBs, but LT wont give a :Censor:, they'll just keep coming after your arse until the last whistle sounds.

Good luck this week, you'll need it because LT is not going down easily!

Chill a little man. It's a holiday. LT's QB is a Junior, not a senior. Yes they are great. For everyone thinking we are going to get run out of the building keep in mind that in our first two games we averaged 400 yards and 23 first downs each game. While their D is good, it's not significantly better than Westlake's or Temple's. And we are getting a lot better week after week. You don't have to tell me LT's offensive stats, I know they are better, I'm just pointing out that it's going to be kinda hard for us to get "destroyed" like some are suggesting here when we can keep the ball 80 plays.

[Shamu85]

Smack talk from Georgetown? You gotta love it.

Not smack talk at all. This has nothing to do with Georgetown. I know where we stand. We might not even win a game this year. I am addressing Beanz talk about how good the CP defense is.

I am just saying LT is very very good, and I don't think CP is anywhere near their caliber, nor is anyone else in the district except SP, and even they would have their hands full with that offense.

[Beanz]

Not smack talk at all. This has nothing to do with Georgetown. I know where we stand. We might not even win a game this year. I am addressing Beanz talk about how good the CP defense is.

I am just saying LT is very very good, and I don't think CP is anywhere near their caliber, nor is anyone else in the district except SP, and even they would have their hands full with that offense.

Shamu85: First off, with the Rick Cantu thing, I was simply pointing out that CPs defense is no joke, don't go put someone down because you do not agree with them.

Secondly, You must be kidding me if you actually think Stony Point would have a hard time with LT. (That's a completely different topic and a "fantasy game" at best unless somehow UIL allows the future 09-10 4A and 5A state champs an exhibition game, yeah right). Stony Point would murder LT within the first half. I'm not putting down LT in anyway, but SP WILL NOT LOS A GAME THIS SEASON (quote me on that).

I would love feedback on this comment because Stony Point is on a whole other level of talent than anyone else in this state.

[Texasfrog]

Shamu85: First off, with the Rick Cantu thing, I was simply pointing out that CPs defense is no joke, don't go put someone down because you do not agree with them.

Secondly, You must be kidding me if you actually think Stony Point would have a hard time with LT. (That's a completely different topic and a "fantasy game" at best unless somehow UIL allows the future 09-10 4A and 5A state champs an exhibition game, yeah right). Stony Point would murder LT within the first half. I'm not putting down LT in anyway, but SP WILL NOT LOS A GAME THIS SEASON (quote me on that).

I would love feedback on this comment because Stony Point is on a whole other level of talent than anyone else in this state.

Not that I dont think Stony Point wouldnt beat Lake Travis (4A). But saying Stony Point is on a whole other level with talent and ect than anyone else in Texas..... (?????).

I'm 100% certain some teams like Dallas Skyline, Cedar Hill and even DeSoto might have some debates with that.

I dont think there is a team in Texas in regards to College level talent that can compare with Dallas Skyline right now.

[Beanz]

Yeah Skyline did pretty good against SP last year in the playoffs but SP has way to much defense for anyone right now... that might change with development and/or injuries later on this season.

[Ltcav83]

Beanz,

You are probably right. LT would shiver at the sight of Stony Point. Although at the end of last year, Allen beat SP and this year Longview beat Allen and LT beat Longview by 25 to win the state title. Obviously, it does not work this way, but I assure you that LT would be more than competitive against any team in the state this year. They were the best team in the state last year.

You will see first hand on Thursday.

[twolf5]

LT fans, just curious about your observations so far. Is this years team better than last years? If so, how?

[Shamu85]

Shamu85: First off, with the Rick Cantu thing, I was simply pointing out that CPs defense is no joke, don't go put someone down because you do not agree with them.

Secondly, You must be kidding me if you actually think Stony Point would have a hard time with LT. (That's a completely different topic and a "fantasy game" at best unless somehow UIL allows the future 09-10 4A and 5A state champs an exhibition game, yeah right). Stony Point would murder LT within the first half. I'm not putting down LT in anyway, but SP WILL NOT LOS A GAME THIS SEASON (quote me on that).

I would love feedback on this comment because Stony Point is on a whole other level of talent than anyone else in this state.

Have you seen LT or SP play? While I have not seen LT play this year, I did several times last year. I have seen SP for the last 6 years or so since they are in our district. Last year, I truly believe LT was the best team in the state. Both SP and LT have a lot back, and LT has proven themselves quite capable to play in 5A, having beaten one top 20 team and another projected playoff team. You must not think CP is on the same level as SP either since they lost to a team that LT beat badly.

As far as putting someone down, I was only putting Rick Cantu down. I think the Statesman coverage of HS football is a complete joke. Those guys are so arrogant, but are constantly publishing erroneous information. Completely clueless.

[bowiedawgs01]

Shamu85: First off, with the Rick Cantu thing, I was simply pointing out that CPs defense is no joke, don't go put someone down because you do not agree with them.

Secondly, You must be kidding me if you actually think Stony Point would have a hard time with LT. (That's a completely different topic and a "fantasy game" at best unless somehow UIL allows the future 09-10 4A and 5A state champs an exhibition game, yeah right). Stony Point would murder LT within the first half. I'm not putting down LT in anyway, but SP WILL NOT LOS A GAME THIS SEASON (quote me on that).

I would love feedback on this comment because Stony Point is on a whole other level of talent than anyone else in this state.

Is this a joke?

Stony Point is a very good team, but they wouldn't murder LT. I wouldn't be surprised if LT won that game. I'll be able to have a better opinion this Thursday. By then, I will have seen SP, LT, WLake and CP all play.

[Point Made...]

oh really? because Rick Cantu from an article at Statesman.com says this

"Does Cedar Park have the best defense in Central Texas?

Rick Cantu: 'Absolutely. The linebackers are maulers. If Cedar Park generates a good offense, a district championship is possible'"

any questions?


Beanz,

You really need to leave stuff like this alone...otherwise, you'll start being looked at as a troll of "unreliable" fame.

[twolf5]

OK, this is my last post on this game. My prediction......drumroll please.....

Someone wins 31-28, and I don't know who. It will be a better game than many think.

See yall thursday. I hope we have a decent crowd, I hate Thursday games.

[Ltcav83]

twolf5,

I will try to answer your question. LT is better than the LT of early last season, but not better than the LT of late last season. One difference is that Garrett Gilbert started running the ball in the playoffs. He is much bigger than Michael Brewer and Brewer will never be the physical running threat that Garrett was. The last 10-12 games of the season, I did not feel that anyone could ever stop the offense and no one did. They rarely punted. Penalties did not matter because they could run or throw for any distance.

This years defense is bigger and may be a bit faster. Not a huge defense, but makes big plays. I see CP trying to keep the ball for extended drives. Tough to compare an all time team to a new 2009 team though. One thing that remains is that they play absolutely fearless and with tremendous confidence.

I think that it will be a fun game and very interesting. If LT wins against a very good CP team, they may run the table again.

[MemorialMustangs]

I was at the game last year... LT barely won when they had Garret Gilbert... So Im going to pick Cedar Park to win this one

[bryanvikings]

Spread, hurryup, lots of passing... CP was made to beat Pflugerville's wing-t. Westlake shut you out in the second half, held you to 14 points and beat you by 10. The gave up 42 to LT, a 4A team, right? You might need to figure that out.

Why don`t they just schedule every good 5a team and see if they go undefeated. Since they`re so darn good!;)

[Beanz]

I was at the game last year... LT barely won when they had Garret Gilbert... So Im going to pick Cedar Park to win this one

Thank you! I honestly think there are only a couple people in this thread that were actually at that game. And to top it off, that was at LT, not CP. I'm saying the atmosphere will add into the pressure that CP's full grown defense will enforce. ONCE AGAIN IM NOT PUTTING DOWN LT, but on the same hand CP IS READY.

As for the Rick Cantu thing I posted earlier (I already explained myself, but I will do it again) I was simply pointing out that CP defense is no joke.

[Beanz]

Beanz,

You are probably right. LT would shiver at the sight of Stony Point. Although at the end of last year, Allen beat SP and this year Longview beat Allen and LT beat Longview by 25 to win the state title. Obviously, it does not work this way, but I assure you that LT would be more than competitive against any team in the state this year. They were the best team in the state last year.

You will see first hand on Thursday.

Allen lost a lot of their starters from last year (but kept both of their quarterbacks), SP has 11 returning. I do not see how people can compare the Monster Allen team of 08-09 to their team this season.

As for Longview... DANG! They will win 4A state this year is my prediction but I'm not as confident in them as I am in SP for 5A...

[bowiedawgs01]

Thank you! I honestly think there are only a couple people in this thread that were actually at that game. And to top it off, that was at LT, not CP. I'm saying the atmosphere will add into the pressure that CP's full grown defense will enforce. ONCE AGAIN IM NOT PUTTING DOWN LT, but on the same hand CP IS READY.

As for the Rick Cantu thing I posted earlier (I already explained myself, but I will do it again) I was simply pointing out that CP defense is no joke.

I was at the LT vs. CP game last year and will be again this year.

[Beanz]

what's your thoughts?

i think i missed them in this thread.

[Ltcav83]

Beanz,

I was at the game last year and it was a good game. LT did take over in the 2nd half and dominated the game. If you were there you saw that. Holmes Owunkaife was stymied all night by our sophomore right tackle ( I have watched the video of the game several times ) and LT moved the ball at will. LT has three starters back from that line.

Cedar Park has a good defense, but your line will not get enough pressure and your very good linebacking crew will not have as much impact against a 4 wide receiver offense. If your secondary is not ready, it will be a long night.

As I said, I think LT wins by 14. What score do you have?

[Airstrike]

This one could go either way, but certainly there are more ??? with what CP will be able to do. LT came closer to losing to CP last year than many realize. But that was last year. This year CP's defense is dominant but for some reason has given up some key big plays. LT brings a different kind of big play threat than the other teams CP has played so it will be interesting to see what unfolds.

CP's offense is more diverse that last year, but the question is will they open up all their weapons or follow tradition and stay on the conservative side. Their lack of prolific scoring on offense I think is due more to coaches' philosophy than inability to score. They have the ability to score if needed but we will see if thay are able to put enough points on the board to offset what LT will put up.

This should be a very good game and could shed new light on both teams' capabilities against tough opponents. Can't wait to see it!

[Beanz]

This one could go either way, but certainly there are more ??? with what CP will be able to do. LT came closer to losing to CP last year than many realize. But that was last year. This year CP's defense is dominant but for some reason has given up some key big plays. LT brings a different kind of big play threat than the other teams CP has played so it will be interesting to see what unfolds.

CP's offense is more diverse that last year, but the question is will they open up all their weapons or follow tradition and stay on the conservative side. Their lack of prolific scoring on offense I think is due more to coaches' philosophy than inability to score. They have the ability to score if needed but we will see if thay are able to put enough points on the board to offset what LT will put up.

This should be a very good game and could shed new light on both teams' capabilities against tough opponents. Can't wait to see it!

Good way of putting everything.

I do agree with the conservative comment. CP has many options, even in the Westlake game without their main WR and RB, they still could have finished what they started but for some reason did not. 399 yards on Westlake without your main WR or RB (and one DL who I am not sure will be playing this weak) is still pretty good.

I think, like most games, Defense (or lack of defense) will define the big plays whereas offense will define the tempo. LT is a very uptempo team from the start, however CP is ready.

I have been trying to evaluate the weapons, playmakers, and play stoppers for both teams over the past two weeks of gameplay. If both teams come into the game with full health in their rosters I think this will be the outcome.

Cedar Park - 42
Lake Travis - 28

[PvilleSoCold]

Pflugerville would handle both these teams.

[STPFootball2011]

Shamu85: First off, with the Rick Cantu thing, I was simply pointing out that CPs defense is no joke, don't go put someone down because you do not agree with them.

Secondly, You must be kidding me if you actually think Stony Point would have a hard time with LT. (That's a completely different topic and a "fantasy game" at best unless somehow UIL allows the future 09-10 4A and 5A state champs an exhibition game, yeah right). Stony Point would murder LT within the first half. I'm not putting down LT in anyway, but SP WILL NOT LOS A GAME THIS SEASON (quote me on that).

I would love feedback on this comment because Stony Point is on a whole other level of talent than anyone else in this state.
as someone whos very familiar with the Stony Point team we are not world beaters that your projecting us to be. do i think we have the capability to be a great team and go far in the playoffs? yes. are we there now? no. like any team we have our issues and are trying to work through them. i have nothing but respect for the LT program, they may be 4a but the continually dominate there competition whether 4a or 5a and even though they lost the best high school player in texas last year they knock off two projected to be good 5a teams in Westlake and Westwood. if we'd play them i think it'd be a great game and i have no idea who'd win, but a blowout? no way. maybe ill have a better idea thursday night after watching the CP vs LT (thank god its on a thursday) and seeing where both these teams are at.

[exhawk1997]

Lake Travis 45
CP 14

[STPFootball2011]

theres one big factor i think thatll swing the game in LT's favor. CP's most apparent weakness is there youth and inexperience in the secondary and what's LT's most apparent stregnth? there ability to throw the ball all around the field to many different options. LT by 17

[Beanz]

as someone whos very familiar with the Stony Point team we are not world beaters that your projecting us to be. do i think we have the capability to be a great team and go far in the playoffs? yes. are we there now? no. like any team we have our issues and are trying to work through them. i have nothing but respect for the LT program, they may be 4a but the continually dominate there competition whether 4a or 5a and even though they lost the best high school player in texas last year they knock off two projected to be good 5a teams in Westlake and Westwood. if we'd play them i think it'd be a great game and i have no idea who'd win, but a blowout? no way. maybe ill have a better idea thursday night after watching the CP vs LT (thank god its on a thursday) and seeing where both these teams are at.

When I think of the 11 returning starters, SP's MONSTER DEFENSE, 2 quarterbacks, Stephen Williams (who is a straight up athlete!), and all your receiving options... and STEPHEN WILLIAMS!...

And then I think of LT. Brewer(?), Erickson, and Floyd... Lazaros(?) and Crow... there might be more, but that's all I can think of... I'm thinking SP has too much speed for LT on defense (and offense), and SP is not conservative when they don't have to be. So, hypethetically, I think SP would be able to shut down LT in every aspect if they ever played.

[gochaps]

This one could go either way, but certainly there are more ??? with what CP will be able to do. LT came closer to losing to CP last year than many realize. But that was last year. This year CP's defense is dominant but for some reason has given up some key big plays. LT brings a different kind of big play threat than the other teams CP has played so it will be interesting to see what unfolds.

CP's offense is more diverse that last year, but the question is will they open up all their weapons or follow tradition and stay on the conservative side. Their lack of prolific scoring on offense I think is due more to coaches' philosophy than inability to score. They have the ability to score if needed but we will see if thay are able to put enough points on the board to offset what LT will put up.

This should be a very good game and could shed new light on both teams' capabilities against tough opponents. Can't wait to see it!

Having seen both the CP / WL game and the LT / WL game, CP did a better job containing WL's offense than did LT. However, LT's offense is extremely good and I don't think CP will do the same against the LT offense. I am sure CP will do better with returning 2 players on offense, but CP didn't demonstrate the ability to score when needed against WL. I believe WL scored 17 unanswered points in the second half. Regardless, I look forward to seeing a great game between two very good football teams this thursay!

My prediction: LT by 14.

[Beanz]

Even though this is completely irrelevant and doesn't prove anything...

How many yards did LT have on Westlake?

Because CP had 399 without their two best RB and WR playmakers, and only let 229 against...

just a thought.

[bowiedawgs01]

Even though this is completely irrelevant and doesn't prove anything...

How many yards did LT have on Westlake?

Because CP had 399 without their two best RB and WR playmakers, and only let 229 against...

just a thought.

505 total
422 passing

[Ltcav83]

Beanz,

Your arguments are amusing. Virtually everyone outside of CP fans think LT will win by double digits. You predict 42-28. You guys got SEVEN tournovers against Temple and only scored 28! Why would you score 42 against LT? CP will not get much pressure on Brewer and he will pick apart a very good defense. There is no way CP's offense will score over 30 against LT.

If CP only loses by 14 it will be a moral victory. LT has only punted twice this season and will not punt more than once on Thursday night.

[clemensbuff]

Even though this is completely irrelevant and doesn't prove anything...

How many yards did LT have on Westlake?

Because CP had 399 without their two best RB and WR playmakers, and only let 229 against...

just a thought.

You keep going back to the total yards bull:Censor:! The only yard that matters is the one you get crossing the goal line! There are many great teams that give up yards between the 20s and then stifle the other team with their Ds in the redzone! Do you have a clue how many games both Smithson Valley and Judson have won over the years when they are dominated as you call it on the stat sheet! It is how they play the game. They nickel and dime the other team to death. They'll make the most out of the least in that everytime they get good field position or a TO, the SCORE!

Having more yards then the other team doesn't always mean you 'should' win the game!

[clemensbuff]

505 total
422 passing

LMAO

For anybody who's math is not that good..........that is 106 yards more then CP had on WL. :D

[Ron Burgundy]

It was in the 2nd half of last years CP/LT game that Coach Morris began to open up the offense. Up until that time the kids were only 3 games into a new system and the coaches had done some considerable personnel shuffling on both offense and defense. After that point they began to gel and you know the result. That isn't the case now as everyone is on the same page. For the 1st time this season CP will see a mature offense not a transitioning WL team still in a learning curve or a 1950's Temple team that doesn't realize that the forward pass is allowed in modern football. LT 38-14.

[CCDawgs]

LT by 30+

[twolf5]

Man yall are making it hard not to talk about this game.

I love how little people think about CP. Well honestly it's mostly non LT folks who haven't seen either of us play.

I'd love to hear if the kids who are watching Cedar Park film think they will beat us by 30.

That's no going to happen. This game will be within one TD either way it goes, and if I'm wrong and CP gets killed, I'll go on a self imposed ban from the site till district (after I post the obligatory LT rules the world email). :notworthy

[corycone33]

It was in the 2nd half of last years CP/LT game that Coach Morris began to open up the offense. Up until that time the kids were only 3 games into a new system and the coaches had done some considerable personnel shuffling on both offense and defense. After that point they began to gel and you know the result. That isn't the case now as everyone is on the same page. For the 1st time this season CP will see a mature offense not a transitioning WL team still in a learning curve or a 1950's Temple team that doesn't realize that the forward pass is allowed in modern football. LT 38-14.

Amen to that brother, the Temple part

[Ltcav83]

twolf5,

Dont do that. I like reading your posts. I guarantee those LT kids are preparing for an all day ( or night ) sucker. They know how tough this game is going to be. No trash talking be me unless responding to an unreasonable poster.

I just think that the matchup is a tough one for CP because LT will try to spread out those big LB's. Should be a good game.

[Shamu85]

It was in the 2nd half of last years CP/LT game that Coach Morris began to open up the offense. Up until that time the kids were only 3 games into a new system and the coaches had done some considerable personnel shuffling on both offense and defense. After that point they began to gel and you know the result. That isn't the case now as everyone is on the same page. For the 1st time this season CP will see a mature offense not a transitioning WL team still in a learning curve or a 1950's Temple team that doesn't realize that the forward pass is allowed in modern football. LT 38-14.

Greatness!

And you are so right about the offense. There was a good article in the Statesman last year about how the kids said their tongues were hanging out in the first week of practice because of the pace of the new offense. They changed things quite a bit with coach Morris, and when they finally picked it all up, LT was, IMO, the best team in the state last year.

I love how little people think about CP. Well honestly it's mostly non LT folks who haven't seen either of us play

I don't think little of CP, I just think a LOT of LT!!!

[CCDawgs]

Pflugerville would handle both these teams.

:laugh:laugh:laugh

[twolf5]

twolf5,

Dont do that. I like reading your posts. I guarantee those LT kids are preparing for an all day ( or night ) sucker. They know how tough this game is going to be. No trash talking be me unless responding to an unreasonable poster.

I just think that the matchup is a tough one for CP because LT will try to spread out those big LB's. Should be a good game.

I really don't think our big backers are gonna be a liability at all. Most of them are as fast as your skill players. Your gonna get your 30 because of your big play ability. The question is our o vs your d. If we can't score 30 well lose. If we can we have a legit shot to end the streak. I think we have 30 in us but we shall see.

[Beanz]

Man yall are making it hard not to talk about this game.

I love how little people think about CP. Well honestly it's mostly non LT folks who haven't seen either of us play.

I'd love to hear if the kids who are watching Cedar Park film think they will beat us by 30.

That's no going to happen. This game will be within one TD either way it goes, and if I'm wrong and CP gets killed, I'll go on a self imposed ban from the site till district (after I post the obligatory LT rules the world email). :notworthy

i second the LT rules email thing but not the post ban because im too interested in texas football.

but here's my word. if LT beats CP by more than 10 i will post a bulletin saying LT is the best 4A team ever.

any ideas on what people will do if CP wins?

[Beanz]

You keep going back to the total yards bull:Censor:! The only yard that matters is the one you get crossing the goal line! There are many great teams that give up yards between the 20s and then stifle the other team with their Ds in the redzone! Do you have a clue how many games both Smithson Valley and Judson have won over the years when they are dominated as you call it on the stat sheet! It is how they play the game. They nickel and dime the other team to death. They'll make the most out of the least in that everytime they get good field position or a TO, the SCORE!

Having more yards then the other team doesn't always mean you 'should' win the game!

i understand that, which is why i said "just wondering" i would not have put that if i was trying to be an :Censor:hole and talk CP up...

yards and stats just show consistency, i was trying to measure up LT to CP (without its playmakers) on paper... any thoughts?

[Beanz]

505 total
422 passing

thanks for the stats...

defensively, how did LT do?

[Beanz]

It was in the 2nd half of last years CP/LT game that Coach Morris began to open up the offense. Up until that time the kids were only 3 games into a new system and the coaches had done some considerable personnel shuffling on both offense and defense. After that point they began to gel and you know the result. That isn't the case now as everyone is on the same page. For the 1st time this season CP will see a mature offense not a transitioning WL team still in a learning curve or a 1950's Temple team that doesn't realize that the forward pass is allowed in modern football. LT 38-14.

haha that temple comment is funny!

[Beanz]

I think the majority of people say Cedar Park will get killed, but can anyone give an in depth analysis of why and how?

Is Floyd just extremely fast? Because Erickson will be covered heavily, I'm wondering what other legitimate options there are to go up against Cedar Park's defense (unless Brewer is just going to run the keeper all night).

Any thoughts?

[Rangerus]

i second the LT rules email thing but not the post ban because im too interested in texas football.

but here's my word. if LT beats CP by more than 10 i will post a bulletin saying LT is the best 4A team ever.

any ideas on what people will do if CP wins?

when Cedar Park wins I am going to walk across Lake Travis in my barefeet. :D

or just have a triple meat triple cheese burger and a Lemon Pie with a hot, flaky pastry filled with warm lemon filling from What a Burger. :D

[Ltcav83]

Beanz,

Keep fighting the good fight buddy. So you will know, in the first 2 games of the season, LT has 8 plays of over 40 yards. Andy Erickson, Conner Floyd have 7 of them. The other is an 80 yard catch and run for a touchdown by Tanner Gillette. Also, LT has a 6'6" sophomore wide receiver named Griffin Gilbert ( perhaps you remember his brother Garrett ). He caught several passes against Westlake. All of them for first downs.

I hope that the CP corners are either tall or in great shape. They will need to be.

[Ron Burgundy]

I think the majority of people say Cedar Park will get killed, but can anyone give an in depth analysis of why and how?

Is Floyd just extremely fast? Because Erickson will be covered heavily, I'm wondering what other legitimate options there are to go up against Cedar Park's defense (unless Brewer is just going to run the keeper all night).

Any thoughts?

Morris and Green (OC) may be the best play calling offensive coaches in the state. They constantly put defenses on their heels and LT players in the best position to produce. If you double up on one threat that just means that another position will be open. They recognize and exploit this better than any HS staff I have seen in recent memory. It was spread around last year like that and they are doing the same this year. The team is disciplined and patient and when the opportunity is provided they execute very well. Whatever the CP defensive scheme is for Thurs. night will dictate who becomes the legitimate option for LT.

[Beanz]

Morris and Green (OC) may be the best play calling offensive coaches in the state. They constantly put defenses on their heels and LT players in the best position to produce. If you double up on one threat that just means that another position will be open. They recognize and exploit this better than any HS staff I have seen in recent memory. It was spread around last year like that and they are doing the same this year. The team is disciplined and patient and when the opportunity is provided they execute very well. Whatever the CP defensive scheme is for Thurs. night will dictate who becomes the legitimate option for LT.

Well put. I definitely think LT's coaches play a large role in their success on the field and the scoreboard in particular.

[Beanz]

Beanz,

Keep fighting the good fight buddy. So you will know, in the first 2 games of the season, LT has 8 plays of over 40 yards. Andy Erickson, Conner Floyd have 7 of them. The other is an 80 yard catch and run for a touchdown by Tanner Gillette. Also, LT has a 6'6" sophomore wide receiver named Griffin Gilbert ( perhaps you remember his brother Garrett ). He caught several passes against Westlake. All of them for first downs.

I hope that the CP corners are either tall or in great shape. They will need to be.

Thanks for the update. Westlake's defense is pretty short (that was one of the "scratch your head" factors of the Cedar Park game against them), so Griffin probably didn't even have to jump when he caught the ball haha.

Tanner Gillette I do not know much about, however the 7 of 8 statement was mainly what I was addressing in my statement. I'm not saying LT is limited, but if their big play makers are only from 2 guys then they might have to spread out to Gilbert and Gillette.

My next question is how is LT planning to stop CP? or are they just going to out score CP on offense and say "who cares" on defense.

Another thing that came into the scores of the LT-WW and LT-WHS games is that neither of those teams necessarily have good defenses (and no one better bring up the CP-WHS score, because CP had 14 in the first quarter and just stopped trucking after that for some reason... yet another "scratch your head" factor).

[Airstrike]

Well put. I definitely think LT's coaches play a large role in their success on the field and the scoreboard in particular.

Ya think?:eek:

[Beanz]

Ya think?:eek:

Haha you're funny Airstrike. However, look at most of the comments. I rarely have seen someone bring up the coaches (they have been brought up few and far between). I was simply pointing out that other teams (including CP) have the ability to stop LT, it just comes down to the play calling.

[ATXChap07]

Haha you're funny Airstrike. However, look at most of the comments. I rarely have seen someone bring up the coaches (they have been brought up few and far between). I was simply pointing out that other teams (including CP) have the ability to stop LT, it just comes down to the play calling.

Even if you call the perfect play, it is up to the players to execute... which is another aspect of coaching;)

[Ltcav83]

Beanz,

To answer your question, I do not expect the LT defense to stop CP. I expect them to make two or three big stops or create a couple of turnovers and that should be enough. If we hold CP to 24 that should be more than enough to do the trick. You only scored 20 on Temple.

I expect CP to have about 400 yards of offense.

[Central Texas Fan]

Beanz said ... ("and no one better bring up the CP-WHS score, because CP had 14 in the first quarter and just stopped trucking after that for some reason... yet another "scratch your head" factor)."

Gee, do you think maybe that the Westlake defense and coaching staff actually made some adjustments? Nah, couldn't be... Westlake's D completely shut down the CP offense for the last 2 1/2 quarters, with the exception of one drive late in the 3rd quarter. On that drive, Westlake had 4 defensive starters on the sidelines with cramps.

I have seen both of Westlake's games this year. I don't expect this one to be a contest. Lake Travis by 21. Lake Travis is that good and that fast offensively.

IMO, Cedar Park's only chance is a heavy downpour to slow down the LT offense.

[twolf5]

Beanz said ... ("and no one better bring up the CP-WHS score, because CP had 14 in the first quarter and just stopped trucking after that for some reason... yet another "scratch your head" factor)."

Gee, do you think maybe that the Westlake defense and coaching staff actually made some adjustments? Nah, couldn't be... Westlake's D completely shut down the CP offense for the last 2 1/2 quarters, with the exception of one drive late in the 3rd quarter. On that drive, Westlake had 4 defensive starters on the sidelines with cramps.

I have seen both of Westlake's games this year. I don't expect this one to be a contest. Lake Travis by 21. Lake Travis is that good and that fast offensively.

IMO, Cedar Park's only chance is a heavy downpour to slow down the LT offense.

Yes CP has no chance in this game. We're gonna get killed. Lake Travis cant be beaten! Lions tigers and bears oh my!!!!

I can't wait for the talk to end. Of course if it sprinkles and the heavens part and Cedar Park happens to win, we won't get credit for it.

But that won't matter cuz we're getting killed. :rolleyes:

[gochaps]

Beanz said ... ("and no one better bring up the CP-WHS score, because CP had 14 in the first quarter and just stopped trucking after that for some reason... yet another "scratch your head" factor)."

Gee, do you think maybe that the Westlake defense and coaching staff actually made some adjustments? Nah, couldn't be... Westlake's D completely shut down the CP offense for the last 2 1/2 quarters, with the exception of one drive late in the 3rd quarter. On that drive, Westlake had 4 defensive starters on the sidelines with cramps.

I have seen both of Westlake's games this year. I don't expect this one to be a contest. Lake Travis by 21. Lake Travis is that good and that fast offensively.

IMO, Cedar Park's only chance is a heavy downpour to slow down the LT offense.

Aha! So Cedar Park does have a chance to win!

Cedar Park's best chance of winning (outside of downpour), is to slow the game down on offense as well as containing the LT when on defense. WL did a good job of the former, but not the latter. With CP's defense, they certainly could pull out a win. I just think it is unlikely having seen both CP and LT, hence my prediction - LT over CP.

[Airstrike]

Aha! So Cedar Park does have a chance to win!

Cedar Park's best chance of winning (outside of downpour), is to slow the game down on offense as well as containing the LT when on defense. WL did a good job of the former, but not the latter. With CP's defense, they certainly could pull out a win. I just think it is unlikely having seen both CP and LT, hence my prediction - LT over CP.

That's pretty much what CP does on offense, which contributes more to their low scoring than not being able to score. It's just the mindset of controlling the game rather than working to score quickly ond often. LT hasn't seen a defense yet this year quite like CP so there will be some questions answered tomorrow night.

Most everybody picks LT by a wide margin; my take is it will be close and can go either way. LT's QB will need to hurry and it will be very tough going over the middle or on the ground. CP will need to commit to scoring serious points so the occasional big play LT can generate doesn't beat them.

Can't wait to see what unfolds!:D

[Lobo9498]

People keep talking about how LT destroyed the Lobos last year in the title game. Yes, they did beat us pretty handily, but people forget that our top running back, McCray, and our top reciever, Fortson, both went out early with injuries. That slowed our offense down some. This year, they're both back, and our weapons are only greater this year. We shall see what happens. Just for fun, I'm picking CP to win against LT. I think they will find their match this year, and may not even make it to the title game.

BUT, should both Longview and LT meet up again, I think it will be a different outcome this time. A good game nonetheless, but with Longview coming out on tope. We will see. Next up, Natchitoches Central for the Lobos though.

[SPTigerfan]

Who will win and why?

Best of luck to the T Wolves and stay healthy!



I BLEED BLUE AND GOLD!!!!

[Beanz]

People keep talking about how LT destroyed the Lobos last year in the title game. Yes, they did beat us pretty handily, but people forget that our top running back, McCray, and our top reciever, Fortson, both went out early with injuries. That slowed our offense down some. This year, they're both back, and our weapons are only greater this year. We shall see what happens. Just for fun, I'm picking CP to win against LT. I think they will find their match this year, and may not even make it to the title game.

BUT, should both Longview and LT meet up again, I think it will be a different outcome this time. A good game nonetheless, but with Longview coming out on tope. We will see. Next up, Natchitoches Central for the Lobos though.

yeah i do not know much about 4A (or longview in particular) but I know that longview beat Allen when ever they were ahead by 17 (17-0 in the first half I think)... I'm not saying Allen is really good this year, because of the loads of talent they lost, but they did keep both of their quarterbacks, so to shut down their gameplay really showed some true colors for longview

Didn't longview used to be 5A? I could have swore that Pflugerville played them deep in the 07-08 playoffs before they played Katy in the state finals.

Anywho, I do think that Longview and Lake Travis are the best teams in 4A (by far). I predict another game between them this year in the playoffs (or the Title game, however the 4A regions workout this year).

[Beanz]

That's pretty much what CP does on offense, which contributes more to their low scoring than not being able to score. It's just the mindset of controlling the game rather than working to score quickly ond often. LT hasn't seen a defense yet this year quite like CP so there will be some questions answered tomorrow night.

Most everybody picks LT by a wide margin; my take is it will be close and can go either way. LT's QB will need to hurry and it will be very tough going over the middle or on the ground. CP will need to commit to scoring serious points so the occasional big play LT can generate doesn't beat them.

Can't wait to see what unfolds!:D

I agree with this. However time conservation could be CPs problem (yes I am about to say something against CP), CP cannot do this "fundamental run up the middle" offense (if you will), against LT and expect to limit LT to just one offensive drive per quarter. This might not work, and CP might see one too many third downs, and punt off to LT.

On the flip side, (like you said) LT hasn't seen a defense like CP this year. To my knowledge, CP is not running a 3-3-5 like they did last year against LT (and against LT only), so the D Line should be more efficient (but they might use the 3-3-5, which will negate everything I'm saying). If the D Line can put enough pressure on Brewer, then LT will have to really show what they got and start calling some crazy offensive plays. (However, when Temple did this in the 4th quarter Brandon Allen got two pics, almost back to back. LT will need to watch for him).

This game will be interesting. If CP plays this one by controlling the clock on offense, LT will have their hands full scoring quickly (but it's not like LT has ever done that haha).

[Lobo9498]

yeah i do not know much about 4A (or longview in particular) but I know that longview beat Allen when ever they were ahead by 17 (17-0 in the first half I think)... I'm not saying Allen is really good this year, because of the loads of talent they lost, but they did keep both of their quarterbacks, so to shut down their gameplay really showed some true colors for longview

Didn't longview used to be 5A? I could have swore that Pflugerville played them deep in the 07-08 playoffs before they played Katy in the state finals.

Anywho, I do think that Longview and Lake Travis are the best teams in 4A (by far). I predict another game between them this year in the playoffs (or the Title game, however the 4A regions workout this year).

The only way we would meet is in the title game again. We're Region 2, I believe they're region 3. We'd play the Region 1 winner in the Semis before the Title game....IF we get that far. One game at a time though. Any team can lose on any night. Just look at Katy last week, and USC against Stanford last year (i believe). The underdogs can play big at times. I don't know if either LT or Longview will go undefeated, only time will tell. The Lobo in me is pulling for Longview, and hoping LT does lose at least once :). This week is Natchitoches Central for us, which should be nothing less than a drubbing of a bad LA team. We needed to fill an empty schedule spot and their coach and ours are old buddies. Kind of similar to the ULM/UT matchup last week, only reason it's being played is for a big payday for the visitor.

Longview was 5A up until the last realignment. Last year was the 1st year in 4A. And you are correct, they did play Pflugerville in the 07-08 playoffs. Personally, I don't mind being 4A. Opens up some new rivalries, and renews several old ones within district. Longview is still a strong team, and with the coaches we have I think will continue to be a strong tough team each year.

[Beanz]

The only way we would meet is in the title game again. We're Region 2, I believe they're region 3. We'd play the Region 1 winner in the Semis before the Title game....IF we get that far. One game at a time though. Any team can lose on any night. Just look at Katy last week, and USC against Stanford last year (i believe). The underdogs can play big at times. I don't know if either LT or Longview will go undefeated, only time will tell. The Lobo in me is pulling for Longview, and hoping LT does lose at least once :). This week is Natchitoches Central for us, which should be nothing less than a drubbing of a bad LA team. We needed to fill an empty schedule spot and their coach and ours are old buddies. Kind of similar to the ULM/UT matchup last week, only reason it's being played is for a big payday for the visitor.

Longview was 5A up until the last realignment. Last year was the 1st year in 4A. And you are correct, they did play Pflugerville in the 07-08 playoffs. Personally, I don't mind being 4A. Opens up some new rivalries, and renews several old ones within district. Longview is still a strong team, and with the coaches we have I think will continue to be a strong tough team each year.

I think CP is the last chance for someone to beat LT before playoffs.

After district... who knows.

[twolf5]

Here's to a great game on both teams/towns tonight! There is nothing like Texas high school football!

[Beanz]

There is going to be rough weather tonight... the game better not get canceled.

[Ron Burgundy]

There is going to be rough weather tonight... the game better not get canceled.

LT 37 CP 7 at halftime. Now that's rough! Sorry Beanz, but six punts by CP......in the 1st half! Yikes!

[SLC]

LT 37 CP 7 at halftime. Now that's rough! Sorry Beanz, but six punts by CP......in the 1st half! Yikes!


Beanz = Owned.

[LoboFan07]

Most everybody picks LT by a wide margin; my take is it will be close and can go either way.

lol. Sorry, but major fail.

[Georgetown04]

LT should be playing a different team from 16-5a, a team with STP on their headgear.

[bryanvikings]

LT should be playing a different team from 16-5a, a team with STP on their headgear.

37-7 at half would not happen either:D:cool::rolleyes:

[BandidoNB]

LT 37 CP 7 at halftime. Now that's rough! Sorry Beanz, but six punts by CP......in the 1st half! Yikes!


His 42-28 Cedar Park win prediction doesnt look so accurate now. Oh well everyone bow down to Lake Travis :notworthy

[LoboFan07]

Oh well everyone bow down to Lake Travis :notworthy

I've done that once before. I don't plan on doing it ever again. :ninja:

[ATXChap07]

I see that the "MIGHTY" cp defense is shutting down the "lowly" LT offense;), led by overrated ericson and brewer, oh the LT receivers are worthless too:D

[CCParent]

Lake Travis is the best team around these parts.

[Ron Burgundy]

LT should be playing a different team from 16-5a, a team with STP on their headgear.

That would be game worth the price of admission.

[exhawk1997]

no contest.... LT is rolling... I left at halftime... its starting to rain out there...



Like I said before... CP needs to work on their running game.... they got the hogs up there but they cant do squat..... they need to get away from the zone read and run it smash mouth, which i dont see them doing.. oh well...

[exhawk1997]

Lake Travis 45
CP 14

I thought i would be close but CP didnt even make it a game.... thats why there is more points on the score board :D

[SPTigerfan]

That would be game worth the price of admission.



I was told they politely declined 2 years ago...


I BLEED BLUE AND GOLD!!!!!

[SPTigerfan]

LT should be playing a different team from 16-5a, a team with STP on their headgear.

Thanks Gtown!


I BLEED BLUE AND GOLD!!!!

[Point Made...]

I've done that once before. I don't plan on doing it ever again. :ninja:

You won't have to...after what I saw tonight, they'll just run over, through...and around you.


Best comment tonight...

My wife turns to me and says "so that's what a championship team looks like"

[exhawk1997]

You won't have to...after what I saw tonight, they'll just run over, through...and around you.


Best comment tonight...

My wife turns to me and says "so that's what a championship team looks like"

thats funny.... your wife is correct.. :D

[exhawk1997]

So these are the peeps who predicted LT to win by more than 10 :D

Aggies2009, ATXChap07, BandidoNB, biggolfdad, bowiedawgs01, CCDawgs, CCParent, CenTexFan, Central Texas Fan, clemensbuff, corycone33, dragonbuck, E-Vol-ution, exhawk1997, Georgetown04, gochaps, jgmike101, OilCan, Ron Burgundy, Shamu85, SLC, STPFootball2011, WHS Chaps

[ATXChap07]

So these are the peeps who predicted LT to win by more than 10 :D



i would have chosen 20+ if it was available

[Shamu85]

So these are the peeps who predicted LT to win by more than 10 :D

Aggies2009, ATXChap07, BandidoNB, biggolfdad, bowiedawgs01, CCDawgs, CCParent, CenTexFan, Central Texas Fan, clemensbuff, corycone33, dragonbuck, E-Vol-ution, exhawk1997, Georgetown04, gochaps, jgmike101, OilCan, Ron Burgundy, Shamu85, SLC, STPFootball2011, WHS Chaps

I would have said by more than 30. LT is very, very, very good. I think they might be a tad better than the blue and gold from RRISD, too. Their D is almost as good as their O. If you left early, you missed the bone-jarring hit of the night by the LT 2nd D. The CP kid held on for a 1st down, but his helmet got knocked about 10 feet away.

[bowiedawgs01]

LT did 'em nasty!

I love watching that offense. Beautifully designed plays that are well executed by the players. Cedar Park never had a chance. What really stood out was the LT defense. They shut CP down completely.

I don't know how many times I saw CP get in 3rd and 10+ and just run a QB draw. Way too conservative.

[bowiedawgs01]

I was at the STP game last week and the LT one this week.

I'd pick LT if they played head to head.

[Georgetown04]

Kirk Herbstreet droped the ball. He should have had Norte Dame Sherman Oaks play Lake Travis.

[Beanz]

Alright people... so here it is.

LT-54
CP-17

close game...

CP did "fundamental run up the middle" football, and, like I said earlier, that was not going to work. I was very disappointed in CP's offensive scheme. I don't want to talk about it, they did not utilize any weapon they had and were consistantly running up the middle the entire game until the 4th quarter (who takes 3 and a half quarters to decide something doesn't work?). Unacceptable.

Defensively. CP's linebackers did pretty good, but the CP coaches decided it would be really intelligent to put Holmes on the line again (up against LT's 77???) so that he could virtually put no pressure on LT's quarterback. IDIOT DECISION, THE DEFENSIVE COACH SHOULD GET FIRED. They should have let a measly second string occupy 77 (who cares if he doesn't get past him the point is to occupy a rook with a pawn), and then let holmes either blitz off the side to cause more pressure or lurk and wait for the pass... but no lets line Holmes directly up to 77??? Ridiculous.

CP's secondary is honestly what killed them. They did not even try to deflect passes, they thought it would be much more efficient to just hit the receivers before the ball got to them (of course! why didn't I think of that!). My favorite parts were the amazing arm tackles that Andy Erickson "broke through". On Prepticket you will most likely see a 34 yard TD pass in which Erickson goes through three secondaries and doesn't get wrapped up once??? Erickson didn't even break anyone's ankles, they just didn't wrap up on him. I'm unimpressed with the secondary's efforts.

Overall the pressure was there, but becuase of the defensive alignment CP left too many guys open and tried to blitz (as if Brewer wasn't going to move around when he saw defenders coming at him) which made 3rd and 20 an easy conversion for LT.

As for LT... I can officially say they are the BEST 4A TEAM EVER.
They started off pretty slow, but then they saw that CP was not going to stop blitzing so they made CP's defensive coach look like an idiot and threw to various open receivers. I was most impressed with Floyd's hands over everything else. He didn't drop one pass thrown to him (unless it was out of bounds). He flirted with the sideline but still stayed in bounds which is why I think CP had so much trouble guarding him (plus he has a 20 foot frame!). Brewer was somewhat impressive, he scrambled pretty well but rarely ever called his own number when I thought he could have. His arm is pretty acurate, but he under threw some big play passes (not that those mattered in the end anyway). He did throw out of bounds on some plays to Floyd that could have easily been first downs and more (but made up for it on third down anyway of course).

Bottom line, LT burned CP's secondary and shut down CP's "run up the middle" offense (duh). LT won. This thread is complete.

[SLC]

So these are the peeps who predicted LT to win by more than 10 :D

Aggies2009, ATXChap07, BandidoNB, biggolfdad, bowiedawgs01, CCDawgs, CCParent, CenTexFan, Central Texas Fan, clemensbuff, corycone33, dragonbuck, E-Vol-ution, exhawk1997, Georgetown04, gochaps, jgmike101, OilCan, Ron Burgundy, Shamu85, SLC, STPFootball2011, WHS Chaps

Yes sir. Never a doubt in my mind, as others have said, I would have picked LT by 20 or more if the option had been available.

[Airstrike]

LT did 'em nasty!

I love watching that offense. Beautifully designed plays that are well executed by the players. Cedar Park never had a chance. What really stood out was the LT defense. They shut CP down completely.

I don't know how many times I saw CP get in 3rd and 10+ and just run a QB draw. Way too conservative.

That pretty well sums it up. I removed my rose colored glasses and saw an incredibly talented team of both players and coaches from LT just kick CPs butts in every manner possible. They were not conservative in the least and showed CP what a championship team does look and play like.

With all the tremendous talent CP has, tonight was an outright embarrassing spectacle. Georgetown coaches scouting the game were smiling big when they left the stadium - can't say as I blame them. Sad... :(

[bryanvikings]

Kirk Herbstreet droped the ball. He should have had Norte Dame Sherman Oaks play Lake Travis.

Could have worked out for Texas if that would have happened. I thought I was the only one who thought Herbstreit chose the wrong team for that CA team.

[bowiedawgs01]

29/42 490 yards
33 carries 233 yards

723 total yards on 75 plays
9.64 yards per play

:eek:

[clemensbuff]

Beanz, Beanz, Beanz..........Bottom line is that you were totally convinced that your unbelievably talented defense would take care of LT. Maybe your coaches were outcoached...........ding ding ding ding.......that is what LT does!!!!!!!! They make good teams look like chit on a weekly basis! CP may have way more talented athletes across the board then LT.......it doesn't matter because LT is better coached then 99.99% of the teams in this State and the kids just go out and EXECUTE!

You can sit here for the next week and talk about how your defensive coordinator should be on the unemployment line if you want. But pure and simple, if everybody thought and talked the way you do, there would be a huge number of good D coordinators from all the schools LT has made look bad the last 2 years!

I'd be willing to bet if CP went back to work tomorrow and LT did as well and they played next week, the outcome wouldn't be much different at all! Just because you may have better athletes, doesn't mean you have the better team.

[clemensbuff]

29/42 490 yards
33 carries 233 yards

723 total yards on 75 plays
9.64 yards per play

:eek:

OMG! That is flat out lighting it up!

The good news is that this L doesn't mean a thing to CP's season if they can put it past them, learn from it, and fix the problems that exist! A long playoff run is still there for the taking!

[Beanz]

Beanz, Beanz, Beanz..........Bottom line is that you were totally convinced that your unbelievably talented defense would take care of LT. Maybe your coaches were outcoached...........ding ding ding ding.......that is what LT does!!!!!!!! They make good teams look like chit on a weekly basis! CP may have way more talented athletes across the board then LT.......it doesn't matter because LT is better coached then 99.99% of the teams in this State and the kids just go out and EXECUTE!

You can sit here for the next week and talk about how your defensive coordinator should be on the unemployment line if you want. But pure and simple, if everybody thought and talked the way you do, there would be a huge number of good D coordinators from all the schools LT has made look bad the last 2 years!

I'd be willing to bet if CP went back to work tomorrow and LT did as well and they played next week, the outcome wouldn't be much different at all! Just because you may have better athletes, doesn't mean you have the better team.

I definitely think CP was out coached. What the most unbelievable thing was the fact that CP didn't try anything risky. AT ALL. Even when they were down by 30, they still played conservative. WHAT???

[Georgetown04]

If 4a was setup like the BCS, the rest of the season would be canceled and the title game would be between Lake Travis and Longview next week.

HP would be on the outside looking in due to weak SOS.

[gochaps]

WOW. LT got better yet this week. Something like 37-7 or 37-10 at the half. Someone thought that CP would run up the middle to maintain possession and keep LT offense off the field. Hardly. Couldn't be further from what happened. CP did not score a touch down against the LT first team defense all night. I only counted a single first down by CP for the better part of the first half. A tipped LT pass was intercepted, fumbled forward to about the two, picked up by CP and taken 2 yards for a TD and there was a TD against the second team LT defense in the fourth.

LT offense is a TD machine. LT ran up the middle or pretty much where ever they wanted. When LT got to third and long, Brewer made a perfect connection to the receiver about a half step beyond the defender. Brewer took it in for a TD himself a few times.

Thinking LT dominated on both sides of the ball, I sure would hate to be a 4A player with an upcoming games against LT. They are awesome! Nice game Lake Travis. Good luck towards another sucessfull State run!

[Beanz]

If 4a was setup like the BCS, the rest of the season would be canceled and the title game would be between Lake Travis and Longview next week.

HP would be on the outside looking in due to weak SOS.

I definitely agree with the LT-LV game... I saw some extreme coaching with LT tonight. CP's coaches were completely shut up on the field.

[Airstrike]

I definitely think CP was out coached. What the most unbelievable thing was the fact that CP didn't try anything risky. AT ALL. Even when they were down by 30, they still played conservative. WHAT???

I don't believe CP's coaching staff can think in terms of anything but conservative. It's just what and who they are, for better or worse (tonight was definitely worse). It didn't help matters that the QB couldn't hit the barn wall if it was 10 feet in front of him. Except for back to back long throws to CP's 2 wide receivers at the end of the half, he either missed them outright or didn't see them when they were WIDE open, at least 2 of those times were in the end zone. LT's pass rush against CP's heralded D-1 linemen may have had a lot to do with that.

Looked a lot more like a Pop Warner game plan than one for a premiere 5A team. Definitely could be some lessons learned from LT's coaching. Wow!

[Txmusic]

We even punted on 3rd down with the 2nd team ...OK it went about 12 yds but you get the point. Went for 3 and made it on the 18 with a yard to go for a 1st which we could have made, the score would have been higher...
T-I-M-B-E-R.................

[Beanz]

I don't believe CP's coaching staff can think in terms of anything but conservative. It's just what and who they are, for better or worse (tonight was definitely worse). It didn't help matters that the QB couldn't hit the barn wall if it was 10 feet in front of him. Except for back to back long throws to CP's 2 wide receivers at the end of the half, he either missed them outright or didn't see them when they were WIDE open, at least 2 of those times were in the end zone. LT's pass rush against CP's heralded D-1 linemen may have had a lot to do with that.

Looked a lot more like a Pop Warner game plan than one for a premiere 5A team. Definitely could be some lessons learned from LT's coaching. Wow!

AGREED! LT's coaches are ridiculous when it comes to play calling and they showed it tonight. There was one play where Floyd caught a screen pass (I think it was Floyd) and then just pitched it directly behind him to Erickson for almost no apparent reason but they ended up getting about 7 yards off of it. So hey, whatever works.

[bryanvikings]

29/42 490 yards
33 carries 233 yards

723 total yards on 75 plays
9.64 yards per play

:eek:

A mini Texas Tech, with the uniforms and all of that good stuff.:cool::notworthy:D

[Rangerus]

Brewer, Floyd, Gilbert, Gillette. very impressive.

[chop44]

I'm beginning to think the CP posters don't know much about football. All we have heard the past couple months is how much talent CP has and they are going to mop up this year. Then they lost to Westlake and the excuses were flying. Now LT takes them to the shed and they want to blame their coaches. CP has run the same system for years and going into the season there was no reason to believe they were going to change. Yet...there was no complaining about the coaches before the season started.

Good win LT.

[SP Tiger Backer]

I was not at the game but listened on the radio. Many posters have said CP was way to conservative on the play calling. I think CP was hoping their big O line was going to eventually make a difference. LT is smaller but with a LOT more speed. SPEED KILLS!

I would like to see SP matched up against LT. Very similar, both have lots of speed and great coaching. I'm not sure who would win but it would be fun to watch.

[Airstrike]

I'm beginning to think the CP posters don't know much about football. All we have heard the past couple months is how much talent CP has and they are going to mop up this year. Then they lost to Westlake and the excuses were flying. Now LT takes them to the shed and they want to blame their coaches. CP has run the same system for years and going into the season there was no reason to believe they were going to change. Yet...there was no complaining about the coaches before the season started.

Good win LT.

Yes, great win bt LT. As for your comment about CP posters, you don't know the stroy for this year. Suffice it to say, there were expectations of much more imagination in the offense after coaches' visit to Mizzou. Doesn't look like it took, though. Maybe you can't teach an old dog new tricks. Same old, same old...:confused:

[slcdragonfan]

Yes, great win bt LT. As for your comment about CP posters, you don't know the stroy for this year. Suffice it to say, there were expectations of much more imagination in the offense after coaches' visit to Mizzou. Doesn't look like it took, though. Maybe you can't teach an old dog new tricks. Same old, same old...:confused:

holding back for District play mebbe? ;)

[E-Vol-ution]

Wow.......I thought LT would have an edge, but this was unexpected.

[Airstrike]

holding back for District play mebbe? ;)
Yeah, that's gotta be it. Hahaha, one can only hope! CP is in stealth mode!:ninja:

[Point Made...]

Pflugerville would handle both these teams.


You're right...they COULD handle LT...their luggage that is. :D

[ATXChap07]

You're right...they COULD handle LT...their luggage that is. :D

Maybe their jockstrap, if their lucky

[ThePoint]

Wow.......I thought LT would have an edge, but this was unexpected.
I thought LT would win, but really thought CP would have a chance to keep it close mainly by keeping the LT offense off the field.:confused:
They gave up on the "three yards and a cloud of dust" theory way too soon (probably the Turf messed them up). Then when the QB couldn't "hit the side of the barn from "10 yds away" they were stuck playing catch up - CP is not made for that and the big O line was no longer a factor.
Wouldn't have changed the Win / Loss - just would have been more fun to watch:D

District 16-5A is not looking like a Centx power any more:eek:
Can anyone other than Stony Point step up?:confused:

[Kingwolf]

I definitely agree with the LT-LV game...

I don't...LV has some work to do...