T-shirt fans...

[wide-e-wide]

I just wanted to start a thread...and find out what everyone's opinion is on this.

I think it's a bunch of BS to be honest.

I for one...have been a Longhorns fan since I was a little fella...26 years to be exact. I haven't missed a game in all those years.

Unfortunately, my parents did not have the money to send me to the University of Texas at Austin. And I was either not good enough...or did not apply myself enough to get a scholarship in any sport. So I ended up at Sam Houston State...nothing to be ashamed of...it was good enough for me and my family. And I am proud that I went to school there.

But my question is this...
Because I did not attend Texas...does that make me have less of a right to cheer for them? To talk smack to UT's rivals? To go to games? To wear burnt orange?

I say hell no...

Should I surrender my allegiance to the school.....because I might be viewed as a t-shirt fan? .....simply because I was not fortunate enough to go to college there?

This whole phenomenon really pisses me off.

There are plenty of UT fans that did not attend. What if all of those people suddenly stopped supporting the school?...and it's athletic department?
What if they stopped buying UT gear? What if they stopped buying tickets to UT games? What about the people that pay tuition to the school for their kids.......but did not attend UT themselves? What if they stopped paying money? What would you have then?


A broke *** school.......that's what you would have.

To me........a t-shirt fan...is someone that never followed a team, does not know any of the history, does not have any true loyalty....But simply wears the gear...and cheers for the team/school because of their recent success.
And believe me...I see them popping up all over Waco now that Texas won the Rose Bowl.

But I am not a t-shirt fan. I am a true fan......just because I did not attend UT...does not mean I don't bleed burnt orange.

What do you guys think about this?

[dragonfootballfan]

I don't care when anyone starts cheering or why anyone starts cheering for the Longhorns. The only thing that I care about is anybody that does wear the T-shirt knows what they are supporting and that they do not disrespect anybody else while wearing that color. In other words as long as they do not embarass the Longhorns I have no problem with it.

[wide-e-wide]

I don't care when anyone starts cheering or why anyone starts cheering for the Longhorns. The only thing that I care about is anybody that does wear the T-shirt knows what they are supporting and that they do not disrespect anybody else while wearing that color. In other words as long as they do not embarass the Longhorns I have no problem with it.


Considering...McConaughey was once arrested while playing the bongos naked.
And he is still received well by Horns fans...

It's safe to say...none of the things I do or say...are an embarrassment to the school.

[dragonfootballfan]

BTW wide this weekend is the Alumni baseball game in Austin. There is an autograph sigining in the morning and the game is in the afternoon. I have gone the last two years, but this year I probably will not be able to make it. It is a great event for kids too and it is all free.

[wide-e-wide]

BTW wide this weekend is the Alumni baseball game in Austin. There is an autograph sigining in the morning and the game is in the afternoon. I have gone the last two years, but this year I probably will not be able to make it. It is a great event for kids too and it is all free.


You won't believe this...
I was just about to ask you if you were going to the game...hahaha

I went to the UT/Baylor game this weekend. My son came down with an awful stomach bug...so he couldn't go to the game with me. I am hoping for good weather...and good health...so everybody can go next weekend.

Also I am taking my son over to Temple tomorrow. Chris Burke,Willy T, Milo Hamilton and a few more Astros are going to be there signing autographs.

[dragonfootballfan]

You won't believe this...
I was just about to ask you if you were going to the game...hahaha

I went to the UT/Baylor game this weekend. My son came down with an awful stomach bug...so he couldn't go to the game with me. I am hoping for good weather...and good health...so everybody can go next weekend.

Also I am taking my son over to Temple tomorrow. Chris Burke,Willy T, Milo Hamilton and a few more Astros are going to be there signing autographs.
that sounds really cool. I am upset that I will not be able to make it to the game this year. I will really be kicking myself if Clemens pitches again.

[wide-e-wide]

that sounds really cool. I am upset that I will not be able to make it to the game this year. I will really be kicking myself if Clemens pitches again.


I missed it last year...it was rainy and cold anyway.
Maybe next weekend will be one of those freak weekends...when it's like 85 and sunny. I hope so.....

No word on the Rocket as of right now. Teagarden will be catching though...and I think Huston is coming back to pitch.

[dragonfootballfan]

I missed it last year...it was rainy and cold anyway.
Maybe next weekend will be one of those freak weekends...when it's like 85 and sunny. I hope so.....

No word on the Rocket as of right now. Teagarden will be catching though...and I think Huston is coming back to pitch.
Oh. Anyone that travels more than 30 minutes to this game is not a T-shirt fan.

[wide-e-wide]

Oh. Anyone that travels more than 30 minutes to this game is not a T-shirt fan.


Anyone that gets excited about a UT/Baylor basketball game...is not a t-shirt fan. Not to mention......anyone that spends $70 on a PJ Tucker jersey to wear to a game against...FREAKIN' Baylor....is not a t-shirt fan.

I looked down for half a second......and I just missed getting a pic of him dunking. Damn!!
Daniel Gibson went absolutely nuts bro...9 three-pointers...He shot 13 of 16 from the field...Dude was on fire. Ended up with 37 points.

Here's the pic...I really didn't get any good pictures...I was too into the game.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y294/bogthekid/Picture087.jpg

[AZTiger]

Also I am taking my son over to Temple tomorrow. Chris Burke,Willy T, Milo Hamilton and a few more Astros are going to be there signing autographs.

Where in Temple were they signing? I'm ready for spring training to start already.

And on t-shirt fans...I myself am a t-shirt A&M fan I guess (damn, don't see many people admit that). I don't get caught up in all their "inbred ******* behavior" as wide would put it, just grew up a fan of Aggie football.

What cracked me up about texags posters complaining about "t shirt horn fans", was that when asked if they'd feel the same way about t shirt ag fans, they were confused and didnt know how to respond.

[wide-e-wide]

Where in Temple were they signing? I'm ready for spring training to start already.

And on t-shirt fans...I myself am a t-shirt A&M fan I guess (damn, don't see many people admit that). I don't get caught up in all their "inbred ******* behavior" as wide would put it, just grew up a fan of Aggie football.

What cracked me up about texags posters complaining about "t shirt horn fans", was that when asked if they'd feel the same way about t shirt ag fans, they were confused and didnt know how to respond.


My wife got an e-mail about the Astros thing...hold on let me look it up.
I think it's at Academy...not sure. It's between 4:00 and 7:30.

[dragonfootballfan]

Anyone that gets excited about a UT/Baylor basketball game...is not a t-shirt fan. Not to mention......anyone that spends $70 on a PJ Tucker jersey to wear to a game against...FREAKIN' Baylor....is not a t-shirt fan.

I looked down for half a second......and I just missed getting a pic of him dunking. Damn!!
Daniel Gibson went absolutely nuts bro...9 three-pointers...He shot 13 of 16 from the field...Dude was on fire. Ended up with 37 points.

Here's the pic...I really didn't get any good pictures...I was too into the game.


I watched the game on TV and Gibson was truly amazing. From that picture it looked like you had some really nice seats. Must have had a pretty good time. I went to a couple of really awesome Longhorn basketball games over the last 4 years.

[wide-e-wide]

MONDAY, JANUARY 23
FREE AUTOGRAPH SIGNING AT ACADEMY SPORTS OUTDOORS—TEMPLE STORE
BRANDON BACKE, CHRIS BURKE, MIKE GALLO, LUKE SCOTT, AND MILO HAMILTON

* 4:30 PM-6:00 PM
* OPEN TO ALL FANS AND MEDIA
* Location: Temple Store-1407 Marlandwood Rd., Temple, TX 76502
* Phone: (254) 899-1597


There you go...

Just saw that Backe is going to be there...gotta get that dude's autograph. Hahaha...

[wide-e-wide]

I watched the game on TV and Gibson was truly amazing. From that picture it looked like you had some really nice seats. Must have had a pretty good time. I went to a couple of really awesome Longhorn basketball games over the last 4 years.


My wife's uncle is a huge Baylor fan...He hooked us (me and my father-in-law) up with Row 7 seats...
He did not want them...he was more interested in the Lady Bears game that was the second half of the double-header...which they lost by the way...to the freakin' Sooners :eek:

Was really surprised...the normally reserved Baylor fans...Hit the UT players up with several boos...when they came on the court...when the came back after halftime...

My favorite part was when Aaron Bruce threw up that ugly *** airball....and all the Horns fans hit him with the "air-ball" chant for the rest of the quarter...Dude had a horrible game...I think he finished with 2 points.
There were not many Longhorns fans there...but as usual...we were loud and obnoxious...I love it.

[dragonfootballfan]

be careful with Academy. They put Longhorn stuff all over the place. I went into one and almost walked out with like $250 worth of stuff before I just left my shopping cart and walked out like nothing happened. I just came to my senses and got out before I could think about it again. I mean it is bad enough that all the grocery stores have put the Longhorn logo on everything. Have you gotten your National Champs Coke six pack or your 157 different comemerative magazines yet?

[AZTiger]

what, gotta get backe's autograph for the mrs. or the daughter? :)

very nervous week for the astros actually, with all the bagwell crap goin down

[dragonfootballfan]

My wife's uncle is a huge Baylor fan...He hooked us (me and my father-in-law) up with Row 7 seats...
He did not want them...he was more interested in the Lady Bears game that was the second half of the double-header...which they lost by the way...to the freakin' Sooners :eek:
I wonder if the Sooners will brag about womens basketball as much as Aggy brags about womens soccer (which the Longhorns actually won this year)

[AZTiger]

be careful with Academy. They put Longhorn stuff all over the place. I went into one and almost walked out with like $250 worth of stuff before I just left my shopping cart and walked out like nothing happened. I just came to my senses and got out before I could think about it again. I mean it is bad enough that all the grocery stores have put the Longhorn logo on everything. Have you gotten your National Champs Coke six pack or your 157 different comemerative magazines yet?

i can't go into academy without buying ANYTHING...whether is a new lure, a shirt, some shorts, some batting gloves, golf balls....man, there is NO place like it here in AZ, sucks.

[wide-e-wide]

be careful with Academy. They put Longhorn stuff all over the place. I went into one and almost walked out with like $250 worth of stuff before I just left my shopping cart and walked out like nothing happened. I just came to my senses and got out before I could think about it again. I mean it is bad enough that all the grocery stores have put the Longhorn logo on everything. Have you gotten your National Champs Coke six pack or your 157 different comemerative magazines yet?


I don't have the Cokes yet...

But I do have the following:

2 Lindy's mags...pre and post Rose Bowl
2 Sports Illustrated mags
Street and Smiths
Horns Illustrated
Sporting News
Two shirts
A National Championship pennant for my son't room
Stickers for all my kids...and one for the car
Wheaties box with Mack on the front

Still need

Dave Campbell's
A flag for the front of the house
A poster for my son't room
(I'm actually working on that one) will find out from HEB tomorrow...whether or not I get the two display posters...

not bad...I haven't spent too much.
Of course I haven't been to Academy yet either.

[wide-e-wide]

I wonder if the Sooners will brag about womens basketball as much as Aggy brags about womens soccer (which the Longhorns actually won this year)


Baylor has everybody beat in that department.
They don't even show up for any of their other teams...
The men's game gets 1800 fans........the Lady Bears gets 10,000+
Of course...the men's team...did have that little thing that happened a little while ago...

[dragonfootballfan]

Baylor has everybody beat in that department.
They don't even show up for any of their other teams...
The men's game gets 1800 fans........the Lady Bears gets 10,000+
Of course...the men's team...did have that little thing that happened a little while ago...
I could have sworn that on TV I heard a few lets go Longhorn chants, but that could have just been bear chants that I wanted to hear differently.

[AZTiger]

Baylor has everybody beat in that department.
They don't even show up for any of their other teams...
The men's game gets 1800 fans........the Lady Bears gets 10,000+
Of course...the men's team...did have that little thing that happened a little while ago...

what, you mean that MURDER? it's okay, we can say it.

[wide-e-wide]

what, you mean that MURDER? it's okay, we can say it.


Actually I can't say it...
The last time I said it.....Baylor fan came out of nowhere and read me the riot act.

You know what?...screw 'em.
Yeah...the murder...the one where the dude killed the other dude...and stuffed him in the trunk of a car...yeah that one.

I mean damn.......it's not like I'm the one that did it or something.
Chill out Baylor fan...concentrate on beating aggy again okay?

[AZTiger]

Actually I can't say it...
The last time I said it.....Baylor fan came out of nowhere and read me the riot act.

You know what?...screw 'em.
Yeah...the murder...the one where the dude killed the other dude...and stuffed him in the trunk of a car...yeah that one.

I mean damn.......it's not like I'm the one that did it or something.
Chill out Baylor fan...concentrate on beating aggy again okay?

ha ha, wasn't on baylorfans was it? good chance it was my old roommate from when i lived in houston. you talk about group of disillusioned fans...it's baylor

[wide-e-wide]

ha ha, wasn't on baylorfans was it? good chance it was my old roommate from when i lived in houston. you talk about group of disillusioned fans...it's baylor


No...it was on this site.:eek:
I was called classless for even mentioning it...
Like I freakin' did it or something.

It is true...any school that is still bragging about a game that happened in 1974...has some major issues. And they bring it up almost daily.

[bowiedawgs01]

t-shirt fans = bandwagon fans

As for Championship gear...

Rose Bowl Gameday hat
Rose Bowl ticket and ticket holder w/ strap
Rose Bowl program
Coke 6-pack
Wheaties box
2 x SI Championship cover
2 x SI Commemorative issue
Lindy's
Street & Smiths
Horns Illustrated
Champions coffee mug
Collage poster from HEB
19x25 poster of the SI Commemorative cover (Vince in the confetti) which I will be placing in a black 41x27 frame with black matting. At the bottom, I will put both SI covers and a pic of me with the trophy between them.

I'm also going to frame my ticket from this year, as well as my ticket from the Michigan game.

I still need the lockerroom hat and shirt, Dan Campbell's and one of those cool wall banners. And anything else I can spend my money on.

[wide-e-wide]

19x25 poster of the SI Commemorative cover (Vince in the confetti)

That's the one I am trying to get for free (the display) from HEB.
And I almost bought the collage poster...but the color is off...it's not burnt orange...it's more of a peach color.
And some of them say 2006 National Champions...instead of 2005.

[bowiedawgs01]

Didn't even notice that stuff. I got my SI poster for free at Cabela's. I work there and the SI people were there with the trophy. I nabbed one.

[Sicemhorns09]

Baylor has everybody beat in that department.
They don't even show up for any of their other teams...
The men's game gets 1800 fans........the Lady Bears gets 10,000+
Of course...the men's team...did have that little thing that happened a little while ago...

Hey now... I attend Baylor now but still bleed orange!! I would argue that Baylor fans are quite possibly the worst fans in the Big XII... I support all BU athletics (torn when they play UT) and I am one of the louder ones in the Line and/or Bear Pit. During the Lady Bears game the other day... we arrived to the game a bit late... sat behind the net in the top section behind the Kappa's...my friends and I believe that it is a sin to sit down at a sporting event so we made it clear that we were supporting BU... 10 minutes into the first half...an usher came up to us and asked us to either sit down or leave the section... we left... and went to the court... It bothers me that most BU "fans" are only t-shirt fans... one should support the team during the high times and the low... I admire UT for that very reason... growing up... I still remember the first Big XII title game and UT not meeting expectations the following year... The fans stuck around... at BU... the stadium clears if BU is down... A fan is one who follows, cares, and is knowledgeable about the game regardless of school affiliation. Sic'em Horns!! BTW... Gibson was God Like the other day... what a game to watch in the pit!!

[LarryFine]

"Because I did not attend Texas...does that make me have less of a right to cheer for them? To talk smack to UT's rivals? To go to games? To wear burnt orange?"

The thing that seperates college & pro sports is the fans are a lot more attached to college because of being a student. We have a tie to the university other than just being a fan. I was a Tech T shirt fan starting in the 4th grade, but it is a little different since I enrolled there in 1981.

Ex students and alumni put some time and money into the school, not just the sports on the weekend. That is where smack talk falls short.

[Texasfrog]

It's the State's #1 University.. (Univ.of Texas) !! If you're a Texas boy and went to high school in Texas. You watched alot of these Texas players in High school (95%) of Texas roster is Texas boys. You've been a Texas fan since a child.

Root on my man !!!! Univ.of Texas !!! There is a reason why the football stadium ia about 1 mile behind the Texas Capital..:D

[pack0808]

I just wanted to start a thread...and find out what everyone's opinion is on this.

I think it's a bunch of BS to be honest.

I for one...have been a Longhorns fan since I was a little fella...26 years to be exact. I haven't missed a game in all those years.

Unfortunately, my parents did not have the money to send me to the University of Texas at Austin. And I was either not good enough...or did not apply myself enough to get a scholarship in any sport. So I ended up at Sam Houston State...nothing to be ashamed of...it was good enough for me and my family. And I am proud that I went to school there.

But my question is this...
Because I did not attend Texas...does that make me have less of a right to cheer for them? To talk smack to UT's rivals? To go to games? To wear burnt orange?

I say hell no...

Should I surrender my allegiance to the school.....because I might be viewed as a t-shirt fan? .....simply because I was not fortunate enough to go to college there?

This whole phenomenon really pisses me off.

There are plenty of UT fans that did not attend. What if all of those people suddenly stopped supporting the school?...and it's athletic department?
What if they stopped buying UT gear? What if they stopped buying tickets to UT games? What about the people that pay tuition to the school for their kids.......but did not attend UT themselves? What if they stopped paying money? What would you have then?


A broke *** school.......that's what you would have.

To me........a t-shirt fan...is someone that never followed a team, does not know any of the history, does not have any true loyalty....But simply wears the gear...and cheers for the team/school because of their recent success.
And believe me...I see them popping up all over Waco now that Texas won the Rose Bowl.

But I am not a t-shirt fan. I am a true fan......just because I did not attend UT...does not mean I don't bleed burnt orange.

What do you guys think about this?


That is silly logic if somebody told you that. I never went to school at the University of Iowa yet i have been a Hawkeye fan since i can remember. My dad never went to school there either. We are 2 of the biggest Hawkeye supporters on this earth. So do we not count either? I never played for the Celtics, Steelers, Cowboys,and Astros so i guess i am just a t-shirt fan to those teams also?

[LarryFine]

That is silly logic if somebody told you that. I never went to school at the University of Iowa yet i have been a Hawkeye fan since i can remember. My dad never went to school there either. We are 2 of the biggest Hawkeye supporters on this earth. So do we not count either? I never played for the Celtics, Steelers, Cowboys,and Astros so i guess i am just a t-shirt fan to those teams also?Then I guess I am silly. :D

Tshirt fans have no tie, they root for UT because it is the big name school in TX. We are all Tshirt fans of the pro teams.

I don't have a problem with T shirt fans. I don't pay attention to the smack from them either.

Let me ask you this wide-e-wide. Are you a booster? Do you have season tickets? If the answer to either is YES, then I'll agree you are more than a T shirt fan. But if not, whenever you talk smack you will always be reminded you are a T shirt fan. You are not tied to the school and therefore the team. You are simply a fan cheering from a distance.

That is just the way it is. It is what makes college sports so much better than pro sports. It is OK to be a T shirt fan.

FYI, I am a booster and season ticket holder at Texas Tech. That is where the money comes in, not T shirt sales. UT makes a lot of money on T Shirt sales, but nothing like donations from boosters, season ticket sales, TV revenues, and conference affiliation with the bowl money divied up.

[wide-e-wide]

Then I guess I am silly. :D

Tshirt fans have no tie, they root for UT because it is the big name school in TX. We are all Tshirt fans of the pro teams.

I don't have a problem with T shirt fans. I don't pay attention to the smack from them either.

Let me ask you this wide-e-wide. Are you a booster? Do you have season tickets? If the answer to either is YES, then I'll agree you are more than a T shirt fan. But if not, whenever you talk smack you will always be reminded you are a T shirt fan. You are not tied to the school and therefore the team. You are simply a fan cheering from a distance.

That is just the way it is. It is what makes college sports so much better than pro sports. It is OK to be a T shirt fan.

FYI, I am a booster and season ticket holder at Texas Tech. That is where the money comes in, not T shirt sales. UT makes a lot of money on T Shirt sales, but nothing like donations from boosters, season ticket sales, TV revenues, and conference affiliation with the bowl money divied up.


What an enormous load of bullsh.. So once again it comes down to money?
Dude I have a wife and 6 kids...Do you really think I can afford to be a booster? Or a season ticket holder? And even if I could...how the hell I'm I going to travel to Austin every other weekend...tote the entire gang because Daddy wants to watch his beloved Horns?

You do know that there are boosters who contribute money and know absolutely nada about football....or sports period. But that guy is more of a fan than I am...because he contributes money? Gimme a break...

To me a fan is someone that supports the school and the school's athletic program through thick and thin. No matter what...good year or bad year. I have done that for a long damn time. I go to UT games ever chance I get. I went to a freakin' UT/Baylor basketball game this past weekend...Hell the students at Baylor didn't even show up for that one. I'm loading the family up to go to the alumni baseball game this weekend...What else do you want me to do? Tattoo an image of Earl Campbell and DKR on my ***?

Money = true fans?

That's what I like to call sand aggy logic.

[dragonfootballfan]

Unlike every t-shirt fan I know, Wide supports all longhorn sports not just football. He went to a Longhorns basketball game this past weekend and will see atleast one Longhorn baseball game this year. How many Horn fans do you know that have been to atleast one football, basketball and will go to a baseball game this season?

[wide-e-wide]

Unlike every t-shirt fan I know, Wide supports all longhorn sports not just football. He went to a Longhorns basketball game this past weekend and will see atleast one Longhorn baseball game this year. How many Horn fans do you know that have been to atleast one football, basketball and will go to a baseball game this season?


Thanks DFF...

That's men's and women's basketball games...baseball and softball games...
football and starting this year track...(I gotta see this Baylor squad in person)
If the Longhorns are in town...you can bet your *** I'll be there.
And we travel to Austin as much as we can...it's just tough to make it happen sometimes.

[LarryFine]

So once again it comes down to money?
Money = true fans?Nope, it comes down to commitment. Money is just a way to prove it. You wide-e-wide are just a bandwagoner. If UT started sucking in every sport, you'd be wearing a different color shirt. The color of the new face of college sports.

I'm talking about being a part of something. You just stand on the side acting like you are part of it. But you are not part of it. All your blustering and name calling won't change that. You are still someone standing on the side, acting like you are part of it.

I have a wife & 3 kids. Tech is a part of our lives. Something you don't understand because you are a T shirt fan. Which is my whole point. Soon my children will attend Tech and carry on the family tradition. You are just a guy who wants to be on the winning team so you put an orange Tshirt on and run behind the crowd. There is a big difference between ties and commitment.

That is OK, but it will always cut your authority in smack talk. What difference does that make? Why do you care what this "sand aggie" thinks?

It isn't just money, but you were the one who brought money up saying how you were a good fan by supporting the school by buying T shirts.

[dragonfootballfan]

Nope, it comes down to commitment. Money is just a way to prove it. You wide-e-wide are just a bandwagoner. If UT started sucking in every sport, you'd be wearing a different color shirt. The color of the new face of college sports.

I'm talking about being a part of something. You just stand on the side acting like you are part of it. But you are not part of it. All your blustering and name calling won't change that. You are still someone standing on the side, acting like you are part of it.

I have a wife & 3 kids. Tech is a part of our lives. Something you don't understand because you are a T shirt fan. Which is my whole point. Soon my children will attend Tech and carry on the family tradition. You are just a guy who wants to be on the winning team so you put an orange Tshirt on and run behind the crowd. There is a big difference between ties and commitment.

That is OK, but it will always cut your authority in smack talk. What difference does that make? Why do you care what this "sand aggie" thinks?

It isn't just money, but you were the one who brought money up saying how you were a good fan by supporting the school by buying T shirts.
How many non-football sporting events have you been to? Do you attend them even after you graduated from Tech? I won't blame you if you do not want to go back to Lubbock.

[wide-e-wide]

You wide-e-wide are just a bandwagoner

You sir are an absolute douchepump.
How the hell am I a bandwagoner?
I guess I've been on the bandwagon for 26 years then...does that count?
I never said a damn word about buying f'n t-shirts. I actually own a few...and some of them are 7 or 8 years old. That alone blows your bandwagon comment all to hell.

Concentrate on throwing tortillas and having a defense that can't stop a jr. high squad.

Meanwhile...I will go out and buy me a football National Champions t-shirt...since that's all I am...hell I might buy a baseball National Champions t-shirt too.

Don't be pissed at me because you have no t-shirts to buy.

It is ridiculous to call me a t-shirt fan......
But it is bordering on ******** to call me a bandwagon fan.


I have a wife & 3 kids. Tech is a part of our lives. Something you don't understand because you are a T shirt fan.

Did they not teach your dumb *** how to read at Tech?
Do you think the Longhorns are not a part of our lives?
You better hope my wife doesn't read that......I promise you
she will have a different opinion.

[LarryFine]

How many non-football sporting events have you been to? Do you attend them even after you graduated from Tech? I won't blame you if you do not want to go back to Lubbock.Like I said earlier. I have football season tickets. I go back to Lubbock all the time. I've been to Tech basketball games in Dallas and Lubbock and track events. You want to try again?

wide-e-wide, it doesn't matter how long you been on the bandwagon, you are still a bandwagon fan. UT isn't part of your family, following Longhorn sports is a family tradition. It is a big difference.

You started this thread asking why you weren't taken seriously as a T shirt fan, and I answered you. You aren't committed. You just like cheering for the big name.

[wide-e-wide]

it doesn't matter how long you been on the bandwagon, you are still a bandwagon fan.

Do you even know the term "bandwagon fan" means?
Obviously not...
If you do anything consistantly for 26 years...I would hardly call that bandwagon anything.

So using your theory...Julio Franco is a bandwagon baseball player.

[bowiedawgs01]

The informal definition of bandwagon is "a current trend." I agree that some people are jumping on the Texas bandwagon. Like the guy from LA I met on the plane who said he has to go out and buy a Texas shirt because they won. THAT is a tshirt fan. THAT is a bandwagon fan.

Do you think it was the current trend to root for Texas for the entire 26 years wide has been rooting for them? Would a bandwagon fan stay on the wagon during 1997? Would they stay on the bandwagon after getting beat by aggy in the 80's so often? Would they stay on the wagon after the Miami Cotton Bowl or Route 66? The answer is NO. It wouldn't be the "current trend" to stick with a losing team. That's how bandwagons work. A team wins, people jump on them. Same team loses, people forget them.

Texas is a part of my life. I just graduated there. I live and die with Longhorn sports. I'm proud of the traditions. I'm proud of our academic excellence. I am a Longhorn through and through. And let me tell you, fans like wide do not upset me one bit. I do not look down on them like you do. They are just as much fans as anyone else. Anyone who argues that is ********.

And in a way, you're dissing my father. He joined the Army at 17 to get out of an abusive home. He didn't even get to graduate high school. When he got home, he went to work for IBM for 30+ years. He never had the opportunity to go to college. But he's seen every big Texas football game. He remembers the Shootout, the heartbreaking loss to Georgia, the Cotton Bowl Massacre, etc. He got cussed at in Colorado in 1969 for driving in an orange GTO with a Texas sticker. He remembers watching the Texas basketball team win the NIT. He took my sister to every home game during the time when the women's basketball team was going undefeated, and the season's surrounding that one. He doesn't go to many games in person because he has bad hearing and the crowd noise gives him a headache with his hearing aids. That and he doesn't like big crowds of pushy people. But I did get to drag him to the aggy game this year in College Station. He's seen more in Texas sports history than a lot of "true fans" have or ever will.

[GTown02]

I guess i'm a Tshirt fan... I'm 20 right now, and i've been a UT fan my whole life. Most of my family are graduates of UT and I have an uncle that used to teach there. But since I have not graduated and most likely not attend the school I am a Tshirt fan. Oh well, there are worse things in life :p.

[DrEdward]

I just wanted to start a thread...and find out what everyone's opinion is on this....

Because I did not attend Texas...does that make me have less of a right to cheer for them? To talk smack to UT's rivals? To go to games? What do you guys think about this?



Well, it would seem that the answer is "yes" for at least Notre Dame and Miami fans. Clearly all those folks did not go to those institutions. :D

[Favpack]

Was the Rocket such a huge Texas lover when he was in Boston, Toronto and NY for 15 years? I'm thinking no. Then he comes back to Houston and acts like he really kind of never left - and he now only wears UT garb - looking for him to die his hair orange. Plus, he's interviewed at everything he goes to -- I think I saw him interviewed at a UT women's volleyball game.

And, Wide you're no. 1 in my book my man.

[LarryFine]

Do you even know the term "bandwagon fan" means?
Obviously not...
If you do anything consistantly for 26 years...I would hardly call that bandwagon anything.Because they are the top dog in the state over those years. They are the high profile team every year. Other teams come & go, but UT because of the resources hangs around. If UT suffered a twist of fate & another team became the face of sports in TX over the next 10 years, you'd change the color of your T shirt.

Julio Franco is a player, not a fan. It doesn't fit the mode of discussion. You need to work on you debate skills.

The poster who admits he is a T shirt fan and there were worse things in life gets it. wide-e-wide wants priviliges without making the commitment. I don't think there is anything wrong with being a Longhorn T shirt fan. I have no problem with that, but you are going to get called on it when you talk smack to other schools. You shouldn't have a problem with that either.

[GTown02]

I may have said I was a tshirt fan, but I would never root for another team if UT had a bad year. I would always wear my burnt orange with pride.

[bowiedawgs01]

Because they are the top dog in the state over those years. They are the high profile team every year. Other teams come & go, but UT because of the resources hangs around. If UT suffered a twist of fate & another team became the face of sports in TX over the next 10 years, you'd change the color of your T shirt.

bullsh!t, bullsh!t and more bullsh!t. You know his heart? You know his allegiance? How can you say without a doubt that he'd switch sides? You can't. That's why your argument holds no water. You need to work on your debate skills.

[LarryFine]

bullsh!t, bullsh!t and more bullsh!t. You know his heart? You know his allegiance? How can you say without a doubt that he'd switch sides? You can't. That's why your argument holds no water. You need to work on your debate skills.How can you say the other since they've been top dog? Not much of an argument there. I have as much ground to stand on in that argument as you do. We are both talking hypotheticals here.

I've stayed consistent through out. I always said there is no problem with T shirt fans, I'll just hold that against them when they are talking smack, and rightfully so. No one has argued that point with me.

wide-e-wide said he was being good by supporting the university financially by buying T shirts, but said I was wrong to call him out on not being a booster or buying season tickets.

You guys act like watching games on TV is the same as being a part of the university, but it isn't. Getting mad, cussing at me, or calling me names will ever change that. I have family who are Horn T shirt fans. I have family who are Ag T shirt fans. I even have T shirt Baylor fans in my family. I never said it was an insult or dissed anyone's dad. All I said is there is a difference in being part of the university and being a T shirt fan.

I never insulted anyone, that was you guys. You can root for whomever you want. All I said, is if you talk smack, you are going to be called out on it. There shouldn't be any problem with that.

[bowiedawgs01]

You aren't being consistent at all. You just said wide was a tshirt fan because Texas is top dog. Then go on to say you know tshirt fans of Baylor and Tech. Are they top dog? In anything?

You didn't read my post earlier. I gave you many reasons why Texas was not top dog in his 26 years of following them. But you ignored it. If Texas was top dog in the 80's, why do aggies claim that as their one time dominance over us?

You keep trying to describe a tshirt fan, but keep throwing out the description of a bandwagon fan. Get it right. There's a difference.

A tshirt fan is someone that follows a team even though they didn't attend. A bandwagon fan is someone who cheers for the flavor of the day. Big difference. If you're too dense to see that, then I'm sorry.

[wide-e-wide]

wide-e-wide said he was being good by supporting the university financially by buying T shirts

For the second time...never said that.

[slorch]

bandwagon fan is the guy that lives in Dallas and had a Steelers jacket in the 70's, 49ers shirt in the 80's, packers cap in the 90's, and Patriots jacket in 2000. All the while, he had a great franchise in his own hometown, and he sold out his own dignity to stand up for "his team"

if you had to be an alum of a school to be a fan,as some have alluded to, I dare say some schools would really struggle to fill a stadium.
I went to Tech for 2.5 years. i had to quit to go to work to provide for my family. Because i did not graduate wasn't Tech's fault. Should I not be allowed to cheer for ANY team because i didn't get a sheepskin( that's a degree, for those Aggys out there) Is my support any less genuine than an alum? Is college sports not real to me because I don't wear a ring?
I agree that it might be if I was switching allegiances all the time, but I do not.

Actually, Wide, you're scaring me with some of the introspective questions you ask in the intro. have you been wussified? If you love the Steers then that's your bidness. if you buy rusty colored sweatshirts, it's your choice.
i never have been of the impression that my $90 for a ticket was less qualified than that of an alum.

The beauty of sports is evrybody can find an athlete, coach, or team that they identify with. 1/2 the fun of that is defending your team, coach, or player, because it is actually defense of yourself and your ideals, right? And everybody loves to be right...

[AZTiger]

I remember asking a girl wearing a Charlotte Hornets Starter pullover jacket in junior high to name one player off the Hornets other than Larry Johnson....couldn't do it.

[slorch]

I remember asking a girl wearing a Charlotte Hornets Starter pullover jacket in junior high to name one player off the Hornets other than Larry Johnson....couldn't do it.
Grandmama was from dallas, and Mugsy Bogues and 'Zo were pretty big stars in their own right.

[AZTiger]

Grandmama was from dallas, and Mugsy Bogues and 'Zo were pretty big stars in their own right.

your point? i'm saying she didnt know any other players other than LJ.

i mean, how could anyone NOT know mugsy?

[slorch]

I agree. but there are casual fans out there. In fact, most are. Not everyone would know Kendall Gill was on that team too.

[AZTiger]

I agree. but there are casual fans out there. In fact, most are. Not everyone would know Kendall Gill was on that team too.

i'm not sure how old you are, so maybe you don't know, but back in the early 90s, the charlotte hornets pullover jackets were some of the most popular, if not the biggest seller, in the sports apparel industry. now c'mon...the charlotte hornets? these girls weren't getting these teal jackets because they liked their style of play

[slorch]

you're right. That team was totally overmarketed.. Teal? yeah I remember.


i am 35- you can check profiles...

[AZTiger]

you're right. That team was totally overmarketed.. Teal? yeah I remember.


i am 35- you can check profiles...

i'm lazy ;)

[wide-e-wide]

Should I not be allowed to cheer for ANY team because i didn't get a sheepskin( that's a degree, for those Aggys out there)

to the classics.

oops...nope can't be a classic.
there is no need for the "s" at the end of aggy.
1 aggy.........or 1,000,000 aggy....all the same.

[slorch]

so close, yet so far...

[LarryFine]

[b]What if they stopped buying UT gear? [b]What if they stopped buying tickets to UT games? What about the people that pay tuition to the school for their kids.......but did not attend UT themselves? What if they stopped paying money? What would you have then?


A broke *** school.......that's what you would have.[quote]Only you admit you don't buy season tickets. [quote]You aren't being consistent at all. You just said wide was a tshirt fan because Texas is top dog. Then go on to say you know tshirt fans of Baylor and Tech. Are they top dog? In anything?That isn't inconsistent. Other people being Baylor T shirt fans because they are Baptists or Tech fans because they are from west Texas doesn't have anything to do with wide-e-wide being a Longhorn T shirt fan. Nice try though.

This over reaction to my answer makes my case for me. You guys need to relax. You can cheer for any team you want, but you will never be a part of it the way you would be if you spent time on campus had classes with the players and put some sweat and blood into the university the athletic programs represent. I don't know why that is so hard to understand.

[slorch]

[quote][b]What if they stopped buying UT gear? [b]What if they stopped buying tickets to UT games? What about the people that pay tuition to the school for their kids.......but did not attend UT themselves? What if they stopped paying money? What would you have then?


A broke *** school.......that's what you would have.[quote]Only you admit you don't buy season tickets. That isn't inconsistent. Other people being Baylor T shirt fans because they are Baptists or Tech fans because they are from west Texas doesn't have anything to do with wide-e-wide being a Longhorn T shirt fan. Nice try though.

This over reaction to my answer makes my case for me. You guys need to relax. You can cheer for any team you want, but you will never be a part of it the way you would be if you spent time on campus had classes with the players and put some sweat and blood into the university the athletic programs represent. I don't know why that is so hard to understand.

so now you have to have had a class with players to qualify?

your sexual excapades shoud not be a precurser to being a "real fan" either. I am assuming that is where "some sweat and blood" comes from.

you are quickly sliding down the slope... When the players look in the stands, my voice and clapping counts the same. When I see them in town the following week(when I still lived in Lubbock) and tell them good game, it still means the same to them. When I saw Mike Leach at the Houston airport and shook his hand, he didn't tell me," sorry, I can't accept your congratulations, because you're not wearing a ring."

This is utterly rediculous. It's like when someone says you'll never know what it's like to be a woman in the corporate world. Well maybe they're right, but I still have my place, too. It's not any less than somebody elses!!!

[pack0808]

Larry Fine, This is the most absurd logic i ever heard of in my life. I am Hawkeye fan because my family grew up in Iowa and my father loved the hawkeyes since he was a little kid and passed it on to me. We subscribe to several Hawkeye magazines, have went to several games (both football and basketball) even though it is half way across the United States and before DTV we would sit there and listen to static on 1040 am so we could just hear a glimpse of the game. We are GIGANTIC fans win or lose. No matter if the football team is 1-9 like 7 years ago or if they finished in the top 10 like they had 3 years in a row before this season we are loyal fans. I love the Hawks as much as anybody. Do not try to tell me that i am less of a fan because i did not attend the university. That is complete nonsense. So say some girl that does not have a clue about sport's that happened to attend the university and claims to be a Hawkeye fan. Are you saying she is more of a fan then me because she actually attended the university? :eek:

By the way, My oldest sister went to school at Texas Tech and is still a big fan of Tech. She did transfer to SFA her senior year before graduating so i guess she is only 3/4th's of a REAL fan according to your wacky logic. :rolleyes:

[Favpack]

Rooting can be pretty complex. I have a good friend that lives in Dallas. He is from Pittsburgh and got his undergrad degree from Ohio State - played on the 1968 team with Jack Tatum - and his MBA from UT, and has lived in Dallas 30 years. He said he rooted slightly more for UT in Sept. because OSU won it all a few years ago - and because he lives in Texas and his wife also went to UT. He is a huge Steelers fan, but also roots for the Cowboys. When they played for the Super Bowl in 1996 he pulled for the Steelers because Dallas had won twice in the previous 3 years.

Tell him he's a bandwagon or t-shirt fan of any of these teams and you'll get your front teeth handed back to you.

[pack0808]

Rooting can be pretty complex. I have a good friend that lives in Dallas. He is from Pittsburgh and got his undergrad degree from Ohio State - played on the 1968 team with Jack Tatum - and his MBA from UT, and has lived in Dallas 30 years. He said he rooted slightly more for UT in Sept. because OSU won it all a few years ago - and because he lives in Texas and his wife also went to UT. He is a huge Steelers fan, but also roots for the Cowboys. When they played for the Super Bowl in 1996 he pulled for the Steelers because Dallas had won twice in the previous 3 years.

Tell him he's a bandwagon or t-shirt fan of any of these teams and you'll get your front teeth handed back to you.


And rightfully so. And i thought i was the only Cowboy/Steeler fan alive!!

[bowiedawgs01]

That isn't inconsistent. Other people being Baylor T shirt fans because they are Baptists or Tech fans because they are from west Texas doesn't have anything to do with wide-e-wide being a Longhorn T shirt fan. Nice try though.

That's the most ******** thing you've said so far. Which is saying a ton. So now, not only is wide a Longhorn fan because they've been "top dog" for the last 26 years (proven wrong), you have to be a baptist to root for Baylor. It was inconsistent because you have about a million different definitions of tshirt fan.

Good job, quicksilver. I salute you.

[bowiedawgs01]

This over reaction to my answer makes my case for me. You guys need to relax.

Just remember I'm a graduate of Texas. I have my degree, ring and debt to prove it. As an alum of THE University of Texas, which you are not, I accept wide's support on behalf of the school. Anyone not an alumni/fan of UT, i.e. you, can butt out.

[slorch]

there we have it. Wide's a MADE man.

Bowie to his fellow alumni," I want yous guys to meet Wide, he's a friend of ours."

[bowiedawgs01]

That's right. :D

[wide-e-wide]

Well,well,well...

I finally got my bones.

It is an honor bowie...thanks for sticking up for me bro. Look forward to seeing you at the tailgate again next year.....This time we will meet in Austin though...deal?

Hey Larry Fine....how you like 'dem apples?