Texas Fares Well in Street & Smith "25 Teams to Watch"

[concha]

Not ranked, just a list.

Hoover ALA (14-0)
Springdale AR (12-1)
Mission Viejo CA (14-0)
Long Beach Poly CA (13-1) - no DLS, seems strange somehow
Jacksonville Bolles FL (14-0)
Miami BT Washington FL (11-1)
Hollywood Chaminade-Madonna FL (11-1)
Valdosta Lowndes GA (15-0)
Lilburn Parkview GA (13-2)
Warner Robins GA (14-0-1)
Frankfort Lincoln Way East IL (8-5) - who are these guys???
Indianapolis Warren Central IN (14-1)
Shreveport Evangel Christian LA (12-3)
Middletown South NJ (12-0) - who are these guys???
Charlotte Independence NC (15-0)
Cincinnati Colerain OH (15-0)
Cleveland Glenville OH (12-2) - no St. Ignatius is a surprise*
Tulsa Union OK (13-1)
Harrisburg Bishop McDevitt PA (10-3) - no St. Joe's and no Gateway...
Duncan Byrnes SC (13-1)
Southlake Carroll TX (16-0)
Tyler Lee TX (12-3)
Longview TX (12-1)
Spring Westfield TX (13-2)
Virginia Beach Landstown VA (14-0)


* I know of at least one or two national pollsters who have Iggy a tentative Ohio #1.

[RidgePride]

Not ranked, just a list.

Hoover ALA (14-0)
Springdale AR (12-1)
Mission Viejo CA (14-0)
Long Beach Poly CA (13-1) - no DLS, seems strange somehow
Jacksonville Bolles FL (14-0)
Miami BT Washington FL (11-1)
Hollywood Chaminade-Madonna FL (11-1)
Valdosta Lowndes GA (15-0)
Lilburn Parkview GA (13-2)
Warner Robins GA (14-0-1)
Frankfort Lincoln Way East IL (8-5) - who are these guys???
Indianapolis Warren Central IN (14-1)
Shreveport Evangel Christian LA (12-3)
Middletown South NJ (12-0) - who are these guys???
Charlotte Independence NC (15-0)
Cincinnati Colerain OH (15-0)
Cleveland Glenville OH (12-2) - no St. Ignatius is a surprise*
Tulsa Union OK (13-1)
Harrisburg Bishop McDevitt PA (10-3) - no St. Joe's a surprise also
Duncan Byrnes SC (13-1)
Southlake Carroll TX (16-0)
Tyler Lee TX (12-3)
Longview TX (12-1)
Spring Westfield TX (13-2)
Virginia Beach Landstown VA (14-0)


* I know of at least one or two national pollsters who have Iggy a tentative Ohio #1.

Bogus list. Lufkins not in there.
Plus Tyler Lee will play Hollywood Chaminade-Madonna FL. That will shake up the rankings When REL wins.

I was reading where Chaminade-Madonna's coach attended REL during spring practice.

He stated that his team could match up speed wise, but he was concerned about REL's size.

[NewSherriffInTown]

Middletown South is an overrated team. They have a RB who is arguably top 100 player in Knowshon Moreno, but they play some of the worst competition in NJ, and since NJ doesn't have a state championship, we'll never know how good they are. They've gone like 74-1 in the last few years, but they've never played a north jersey public school team, and they DEFINITELY haven't played any of the powerhouse NJ catholics. They weren't the best team last year, but they finished NJ #1 because they have TWO recruitable players and the NJ catholics beat on each other.

[concha]

The list (and an accompnayiong "Players to Watch" list) have gotten alot of criticism in Ohio also. You would think these guys would do better than this.

[concha]

Middletown South is an overrated team. They have a RB who is arguably top 100 player in Knowshon Moreno, but they play some of the worst competition in NJ, and since NJ doesn't have a state championship, we'll never know how good they are. They've gone like 74-1 in the last few years, but they've never played a north jersey public school team, and they DEFINITELY haven't played any of the powerhouse NJ catholics. They weren't the best team last year, but they finished NJ #1 because they have TWO recruitable players and the NJ catholics beat on each other.

Bergen and Bosco would likely wax these guys then?

[NewSherriffInTown]

Street & Smith's isn't exactly respectable in my opinion. In the HS section or the college part. I think they do the worst of the college previews in terms of predictions.

[RidgePride]

How can Shreveport Evangel be ranked ahead of Longview when Longview has beaten them the last 3 years in a row.

They also lost to TX Abilene last year.

[concha]

It is a list, not a ranking

[cougarcb16]

Bogus list. Lufkins not in there.
Plus Tyler Lee will play Hollywood Chaminade-Madonna FL. That will shake up the rankings When REL wins.

I was reading where Chaminade-Madonna's coach attended REL during spring practice.

He stated that his team could match up speed wise, but he was concerned about REL's size.

If you read the post you would see its not a ranking ;).

[LoboFan07]

How can Shreveport Evangel be ranked ahead of Longview when Longview has beaten them the last 3 years in a row.

They also lost to TX Abilene last year.

Yea they just listed them. If you see its in order according to State.

A's..B's..C's

[RidgePride]

Yea they just listed them. If you see its in order according to State.

A's..B's..C's


Still bogus - Lufkin should be on there

[LoboFan07]

OO I totally agree with Lufkin being in there. Sad thing is I dont even know some of those teams on that list. Definately think Lufkin should replace them

[RockinL]

Concha....
I remember you saying that you live in Ga. Have you seen many games there?

I know Ive heard alot over the years about Lowndes and Valdosta. Seen either team play?

If so, give me your impression.

[concha]

Concha....
I remember you saying that you live in Ga. Have you seen many games there?

I know Ive heard alot over the years about Lowndes and Valdosta. Seen either team play?

If so, give me your impression.

Actually, no, not many. The top teams are a little bit of a drive away. I saw Camden County and Parkview play in the Corky Kells Classic in the Georgia Dome (they were #1 and #3? early last year). I was underwhelmed to be honest. I saw poor coaching decisions, lots of mistakes, little daring or imagination in the offenses (ex. CC ran and ran despite it being ineffective all game - it was mind-boggling).

Again, this was an early game (may have been the opener if memory serves). I remember commenting to a buddy from De La Salle of Cali that despite losing, Parkview looked to be the better team and he agreed completely. I think that proved true later in the season. Lowndes utterly crushed Camden and Parkview gave Lowndes a much more competitive game.

'Dosta is not the team it used to be. Like Massillon in Ohio, they have the name recognition, but they are not the dominating power they used to be. I seem to remember hearing someone say recently that they expect 'Dosta to have a good team in the next couple of years?

[drgnbkr]

The list (and an accompnayiong "Players to Watch" list) have gotten alot of criticism in Ohio also. You would think these guys would do better than this.

Is Accompnayiong a city in North or South Korea?.... :)

[friendswood72]

La Marque has a case to be in there. They are going to be very good this year and regardless of classification are already ranked in some national polls.

[Purple Haze]

I am not familiar with Street and Smith but I AM familiar with Smith and Wesson. I think that Smith and Wesson knows more about both football AND guns than Street and Smith. :D

[drgnbkr]

I believe that Lufkin belongs on any National Poll.

[dentonRYAN]

Lufkin should be on this list.... SLC might have won last year but this is "teams to watch for" ..... SLC has more holes then most people see...and Lufkin got better...... i would fire the person that made the list....lol

[Texasfrog]

Concha....
I remember you saying that you live in Ga. Have you seen many games there?

I know Ive heard alot over the years about Lowndes and Valdosta. Seen either team play?

If so, give me your impression.

RockL.. I saw two Camden Co. games last season in person. I really wasnt that impressed with them. Looked more like a very solid (8-2) level Texas 4A team at best "last season".

PS. The two teams I saw Camden Co. playing against were beyond "PATHETIC " also. I promise you my SOUL that there are alot of Texas 2A teams that would of smoked both those teams Camden Co. was playing.

I think Georgia always has a few teams that could play with the top #15 Texas teams. But the overall competition level in Georgia isnt that good.

My buddy is a coach in Georgia. He tells me that LaGrange was the best team in Georgia last season and that they without a doubt had one of the top Defensive teams in America.

[RGVBadBoy]

man that list is WACK!!!!! SLC should be #1, i seriously doubt Hoover Ala. could handle Longview or SLC, yet they're nearer to the bottom of the list....and Ohino St.Iggy at #1 in the nation!!!!!! :rolleyes: SHOOT!!!!! they must be kidding...

[concha]

man that list is WACK!!!!! SLC should be #1, i seriously doubt Hoover Ala. could handle Longview or SLC, yet they're nearer to the bottom of the list....and Ohino St.Iggy at #1 in the nation!!!!!! :rolleyes: SHOOT!!!!! they must be kidding...

Iggy might get a #1 from at least one pollster in Ohio, not nationally. BTW, Iggy already has 2 or 3 national poll titles (NO kidding!).

[Texasfrog]

Iggy might get a #1 from at least one pollster in Ohio, not nationally. BTW, Iggy already has 2 or 3 national poll titles (NO kidding!).


Paper national titles... "MYTHVILLE"..

[concha]

Paper national titles... "MYTHVILLE"..

Less myth than "Ohio teams run 90% of the time"..... :p

[Texasfrog]

Less myth than "Ohio teams run 90% of the time"..... :p

Whenever you can show us the "stats" and prove it that would be great. The last time I looked .. 3 schools dont equal the whole State. Hmmm :D

PS.. Iggy having two so called National titles.. Bigger Myth.

[concha]

Whenever you can show us the "stats" and prove it that would be great. The last time I looked .. 3 schools dont equal the whole State. Hmmm :D

PS.. Iggy having two so called National titles.. Bigger Myth.

You make assinine and stupid claims about Ohio football and I'm supposed look up stats for every team in the state to prove you wrong? :rolleyes: ...........LMAO

PS: You are right. Iggy has three ('89, '93, '95). :p

[Texasfrog]

You make assinine and stupid claims about Ohio Ohio football and I'm supposed look up stats for every team in the state to prove you wrong? :rolleyes: ...........LMAO

PS: You are right. Iggy has three. :p

Iggy has what ? Three piggy's Is that Piggy Iggy ? Just wondeing there Mr. Pollster.

I think most people on here strongly believe that National polls are pretty much a joke on the High school level. They cant even get it close on the college level and you expect that pollsters can tell out of the what 10,000 High school football teams in the nation who the top #1 thru #25 are ???? GIVE ME A BREAK !!!!

Everyone knows that the National polls are full of subjective, personal and opinated people that mostly look at their part of the country with Rose Colored glasses.

Like I said.. I'll take the top #15 out of Texas every year and strongly believe that on any given night they could beat any States #1 team on:

Neutral field, Neutral Refs, travel being equal and everyone one is healthy.

Now.... make sure you're reading right ! I know that you have a problem with that most of the time "READING." I said and believe that the true final Texas top #15 can play with anyone in the country. I'm not saying that the Texas Top #15 are the best teams in the country. I believe and know that there are other teams across America that can play with the top Texas #15. What Texas has over every other State is DEPTH of talented teams.

Is Ohio even close to Texas when it comes to DEPTH.. NOT A CHANCE.

Texas number #15 team would dismantal Ohio #15 team " I have no doubt about it."

If you are going to compare the competition level of what the two Texas 5A State champs have to face almost all year,,, and then through the playoffs and compare that to Ohio.. "NIGHT compared to DAY."

Last.. Yes, I still believe that most of the Ohio teams are 90% run teams. If you going to use the 4 schools in the so called "Catholic League" as your example for the entire State of Ohio.. well excuse me while I cough....

Very last: The Ohio offensives arent "anywhere" near as advanced and overall skilled (talent wise) as the Texas spread offensives. "You can take that to the bank and deposit it !"

[concha]

Iggy has what ? Three piggy's Is that Piggy Iggy ? Just wondeing there Mr. Pollster.

I think most people on here strongly believe that National polls are pretty much a joke on the High school level. They cant even get it close on the college level and you expect that pollsters can tell out of the what 10,000 High school football teams in the nation who the top #1 thru #25 are ???? GIVE ME A BREAK !!!! I simply stated that Iggy has three national poll titles. That is true. Untwist your panties.

Everyone knows that the National polls are full of subjective, personal and opinated people that mostly look at their part of the country with Rose Colored glasses. [Maybe. Maybe not. I know of zero national polls run out of Ohio. Some polls are run by national recruiting organizations who should know , at very least, if a team could be considered competitive at the national level. Do you deny that many of the Ignatius teams since the late 80s were likely amongst the better teams in the nation? I would agree, however, that national poll titles are fanciful.]

Like I said.. I'll take the top #15 out of Texas every year and strongly believe that on any given night they could beat any States #1 team on:

Neutral field, Neutral Refs, travel being equal and everyone one is healthy. [Could? Anyone "could" beat anyone theoretically. But is it likely?]

Now.... make sure you're reading right ! I know that you have a problem with that most of the time "READING." I said and believe that the true final Texas top #15 can play with anyone in the country. I'm not saying that the Texas Top #15 are the best teams in the country. I believe and know that there are other teams across America that can play with the top Texas #15. What Texas has over every other State is DEPTH of talented teams. [As I have said before, I agree with the last sentence.]

Is Ohio even close to Texas when it comes to DEPTH.. NOT A CHANCE.

Texas number #15 team would dismantal Ohio #15 team " I have no doubt about it." [Perhaps, depends on the year in all likelihood. Ohio is 1/2 the size of Texas and tends to have smaller schools, giving Texas an advantage here. The top 5-10, though, then we're singing a different tune.]

If you are going to compare the competition level of what the two Texas 5A State champs have to face almost all year,,, and then through the playoffs and compare that to Ohio.. "NIGHT compared to DAY."
[This is where you are absolutely wrong. Ohio D1 has been called the toughest classification in the country. It is not divided up like Texas 5A. All the big dogs go for the same prize. This is your terminal case of Texas HomerVision deceiving you. It is FAR from a night and day difference. Colerain, Elder, Moeller, St. Xavier, Ignatius, Warren Harding, Glenville, St. Edward etc etc. All going after one title. I cannot wait for the response to this one.]

Last.. Yes, I still believe that most of the Ohio teams are 90% run teams. If you going to use the 4 schools in the so called "Catholic League" as your example for the entire State of Ohio.. well excuse me while I cough.... [I have never used 4 schools as representative of the entire state. But you HAVE used ZERO schools as a basis for perhaps one of the most stupid assertions I have ever seen on a high school football message board. What on Earth has you so convinced that Ohio teams run all the time? How can you expect anyone to take you seriously when you say things that are so obviously ********? That is just plain stupidity and/or utter ignorance talking. I might as well say "Texas teams use the Fumblerooski on every play" and, like you, just keep regurgitating it over and over no matter how ridiculous it is.]

Very last: The Ohio offensives arent "anywhere" near as advanced and overall skilled (talent wise) as the Texas spread offensives. "You can take that to the bank and deposit it !" [But our "offenses" do just fine thanks. I just hope poor Colerain can keep it close.]
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[RidgePride]

I have seen REL play once against the Woodlands two years ago.
Will someone tell me what offense they run.

I do not think REL runs the spread.

[RGVBadBoy]

damb, no offense Concha, but im with frog......i too am under the impression that Ohio teams run 90% of the time and when they do pass, they run screens and fly routes.....that aint passing im my book, well maybe the fly route, because its pretty much footrace to the deep thrown ball not too much skill is needed though.....when it comes down to it, i would put the top 5 5A and 4A and maybe even the top 3 3A teams against anyone in Ohio.....its not really meant to offend any Ohio folks,but lets face it, anyone that has to play any Texas HS USUALLY gets embarrassed.....thats fact....i know we lost this years in the OilBowl, and let me just say.....I WAS SHOCKED.....i just dont know why the Ohio folks think that their precious St.Ignatious and Colerain can hang with the likes of SouthLakeCarrol, Katy, SmithsonValley or Longview......i can just think back to a certain other MYTHYCAL national champ that thought the same.....Evangel Christian Academy were consistantly nationally ranked and got dismantled year in and year out by Longview.....and they weren't even State Champs..... lets face it, St.Iggy really couldnt match up against a top Texas team....and i would put money on 4As like LaMarque and Ennis over the rest of the nations best, because unless our 5As are playing some one else in Texas the rest of the 49states aint got a chance....so why even bother with our 5As??????

[drgnbkr]

You go RGV!!.... :cool:

[Texasfrog]

I have seen REL play once against the Woodlands two years ago.
Will someone tell me what offense they run.

I do not think REL runs the spread.

Tyler Lee runs versions of the Spread. I only saw two games last season (DVD). Last year Tyler Lee ran alot of bunch sets and 3 wideout formations. They used alot of single back & the QB was always under center.

They also used some off-set I when they went to two backs. But I would say most of the time they have 3 wideouts on the field in some formation.

They have around 20+ formations.

I saw a few games when Matt Flynn (LSU) was their QB. When he was at Tyler Lee they used alot of Shotgun.

I think this season you might see some shotgun more because Preston Hill is a better thrower than his brother.

[dragonfootballfan]

Concha don't waste your time. Some people don't think that other states even play football let alone are good at it. I feel that the best teams in football states can all hang together. Texas may have more great teams than the other states but most of the states that have a good football tradition have a few teams each year that are just as good as anyone in the country.

[RidgePride]

Concha don't waste your time. Some people don't think that other states even play football let alone are good at it. I feel that the best teams in football states can all hang together. Texas may have more great teams than the other states but most of the states that have a good football tradition have a few teams each year that are just as good as anyone in the country.


I do tend to agree with you but Evangel won state last year in Louisiana. They lost both to Abilene and Longview and barely beat one of our 4A teams
9-2.

Abilene finished with a ranking around 15.
It is not a stretch to say that 15 or more TX teams could have won state in Louisiana.

Louisiana football is not recognized as being weak I don't think.

I have heard for awhile that Ohio plays some great football. I will give them all the deserved respect if they beat a Good Tyler team.

[RidgePride]

.i know we lost this years in the OilBowl, and let me just say.....I WAS SHOCKED.....


You should not put too much in to the Oil Bowl.

One of TX big advantages is (depth) team vs team; not top talent vs top talent.

Our Team Play destroys most other states.

In allstar games we are forced to play like other states regular teams do. Just a bunch of talent thrown together for a football team. Not the same level of coaching, team pride, tradition.

Plus, TX talent is divided in allstar games. I don't know about Oklahoma.
We have North vs South - I know we did play vs California Allstars and we play vs Oklahoma allstars.

[concha]

damb, no offense Concha, but im with frog......i too am under the impression that Ohio teams run 90% of the time [Impressions are much like the proverbial 'opinion'. WHY do you have this impression? Have you seen stats that show this? Have you seen many Ohio teams play and they just ran and ran like Forrest Gump? If not, what you have is not an impression. Is is something called an ignorant wild imagination.] and when they do pass, they run screens and fly routes.....that aint passing im my book, well maybe the fly route, because its pretty much footrace to the deep thrown ball not too much skill is needed though.....when it comes down to it, i would put the top 5 5A and 4A and maybe even the top 3 3A teams against anyone in Ohio..... [And you would likely lose a fair share of games in the process] its not really meant to offend any Ohio folks,but lets face it, anyone that has to play any Texas HS USUALLY gets embarrassed.....thats fact....i know we lost this years in the OilBowl, and let me just say.....I WAS SHOCKED.....i just dont know why the Ohio folks think that their precious St.Ignatious and Colerain can hang with the likes of SouthLakeCarrol, Katy, SmithsonValley or Longview...... [Because they are talented, disciplined and well-coached teams with winning traditions, perhaps?] i can just think back to a certain other MYTHYCAL national champ that thought the same.....Evangel Christian Academy were consistantly nationally ranked and got dismantled year in and year out by Longview.....and they weren't even State Champs..... lets face it, St.Iggy really couldnt match up against a top Texas team.... [Again, TexasHomerVision enters the fray - WHY couldn't they match up? Iggy is viewed by pollsters and recruiters across the nation as one of the best programs in the country.] and i would put money on 4As like LaMarque and Ennis over the rest of the nations best, because unless our 5As are playing some one else in Texas the rest of the 49states aint got a chance....so why even bother with our 5As??????
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[concha]

Concha don't waste your time. Some people don't think that other states even play football let alone are good at it. I feel that the best teams in football states can all hang together. Texas may have more great teams than the other states but most of the states that have a good football tradition have a few teams each year that are just as good as anyone in the country.

Agreed. I love the "I think/have the impression that Ohio teams run 90% of the time" stuff.

Think? Somehow thinking was not at all involved. Impression? From what? The many hundreds of Ohio teams these guys have watched play?

I have the impression that all Texans wear cowboy hats and cowboy boots, wear starched and pressed Wranglers, are bow-legged, have big ugly belt-buckles and run around calling each other "pardner" all the time while chasing little doggies around cactus plants and pulling Indian arrows out of their tuckus. At least I watched a couple of Westerns on tv to back it up....

[RidgePride]

Think? Somehow thinking was not at all involved. Impression? From what? The many hundreds of Ohio teams these guys have watched play?




Concha you do have some valid points - But there is no doubt that you are going to get some bias on a Texas board.

[concha]

Concha you do have some valid points - But there is no doubt that you are going to get some bias on a Texas board.

RP,

Of course. I expect it. But there is a big difference between having some bias for your home state and totally ignorant HomerVision in 3D. Take care.

[RGVBadBoy]

well going back to my comment about Ohio running 90% of the time, i cant wait to see the HUGE chunk of passing yardage Colrain racks up against Tyler Lee this season, lets see how wrong i really am :mad: as far as the 4A teams losing games against your Ohio teams, i seriously doubt it, Evangel BARELY beat a 4A team this past season that was good, but not great, 4A Ennis and LaMarque would dispatch any Ohio team includiing St.Iggy and Colrain, I would also bet the farm on 3A Cuero against just about anyone in Ohio......sorry, its just my opinion, as far as Colrain and St. Iggy being able to match up against a top Texas 5A..... you asked "why couldnt they" well, heres why, Texas' elite programs have DEPTH on their teams that Ohio schools couldnt even imagine having, example, SLC graduates QB Chase Daniel to Mizzou, what happens???? they replace him with YET ANOTHER D1 CALIBER QB, IMMEDIATELY IF NOT SOONER!!!!!!, the same can be said for SLCs' loss of RB Aaron Luna, what did they do, they replaced him with Nate Newtons' son Trey Newton whom could be SLCs' next great RB, what is Colrain doing about their losses at QB and RB???? that is why Ohio just CAN'T match up.....its about the DEPTH!!! Texas has D1 caliber kids playing 2nd string for crying out loud!!!!!!! :cool:

its not about being a Homer or whatever, sure there is some bias, but lets face it, you can't argue with our depth.....

[Texasfrog]

RP,

Of course. I expect it. But there is a big difference between having some bias for your home state and totally ignorant HomerVision in 3D. Take care.


Get over it dude. You are a very "SELECTIVE READER". You call people a ultimate "HOMER." Even after I have said about 100 times that the 2004 Colerain team was very good and could of fit in nicely with the top #15 or so teams in Texas. Your problem is you cant "SWALLOW" that. You think anyone that doesnt put them clearly #1 in the nation is a so called WHACKO and a "HOMER" for the State.

I tell you to look in the mirror clown. I'll tell you for the 100th time. Teams like 2004 ....SLC, Lufkin, Longview, Spring westfield, Midland Lee, Denton Ryan, Tyler Lee , Katy, Clear Lake and about 5 other Texas teams wouldnt take a back seat to the 2004 Colerain team !!!

No difference in overall TALENT, SPEED, SKILL, Coaching or anything else if you look at those teams compared to the 2004 COLERAIN team. None.. not one !!!! The only difference is truly in your head...

You come on here or the other Tx Site and start spouting how all these Ohio coaches said that the 2004 Colerain team was the best team they ever saw. THAT's GREAT.. I dont think I saw Coach Dodge, Coach Owen, Coach Outlaw, Coach King or any other TEXAS coach saying that. In fact Coach Owen said very clearly that he doubts they (Colerain) are any better than Lufkin or Longview. That's right from the coach amigo.... That had to get stuck in your throat when you read that from Coach Owens.... That's from the coach himself. Heck... maybe his just a Texas "HOMER."
You call people "LIKE ME" a "HOMER" but you "REFUSE" to read what people write. Like there are many good High school teams across America that could come play with Texas best and win & lose some. Wow, I sound like a "HOMER" dont I with that statement.

I even pulled a list of about 30 NON-Texas teams off the top of my head that could compete strongly with the top #15 Texas teams and win and lose games. Many of these programs,,, "I've seen play in person !" over the years. HAVE YOU !!!!!!??????

I've always stated and believe very strongly from what I've seen in person over the years is that "NO STATE" has the "DEPTH" of TEXAS when it comes to talented teams.

Yes.... I do believe that the #15 Texas team would dismantle the #15 team in Ohio. I think once you get past about 6 or so teams in Ohio the overall top level (national caliber) skill falls in Ohio. I think in Texas it goes to about #15 teams that are a (national caliber) teams.

I think so called "National POLLS" for High school football are a JOKE. They cant even get it right most years on the college level. So, people like "YOU" think they are going to get it right on the HIGH SCHOOL level....??? Get REAL.

I guess you didnt read how Coach Owen basically took alot of crap last week in Ohio from alot of Ohio coaches that hounded him most of the time about how Ohio was going to beat Texas and they werent talking about the college game !!!! I dont think Coach Coombs got that harassment when he was in Texas... Wow,, what State do you think is putting more into the game ??? Give you a big guess.....it starts with an "O".

The biggest "HOMER" on this web-site is "YOU !" and the last time I looked this wasnt the 5A Ohio football website.. Hmmmmm.



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[RGVBadBoy]

DAMB!!!! thats right!!!!! :D

i think by saying that they are'nt any better than Longview or Lufkin is kinda giving Colrain too much credit, i think BOTH Lufkin and Longview are both higher caliber teams than Colrain or St.Ignacious......oh yeah, but im just a homer

[RidgePride]

DAMB!!!! thats right!!!!! :D

i think by saying that they are'nt any better than Longview or Lufkin is kinda giving Colrain too much credit, i think BOTH Lufkin and Longview are both higher caliber teams than Colrain or St.Ignacious......oh yeah, but im just a homer


I was just looking at some of the highlights for Colerain.
It made me really excited that REL will be playing them because Ohio has no business thinking that they have the best football.

No way they beat SLC this year. NONE

Colerain looks no different than a good (Not Great) TX 5A team. And some from Ohio were saying this may have been the best team ever in Ohio.
I'm sorry but that is embarrasing if it is.

I was at first thinking it would be a close game, but I change my mind. I think Lee will win by about 17.

[Texasfrog]

DAMB!!!! thats right!!!!! :D

i think by saying that they are'nt any better than Longview or Lufkin is kinda giving Colrain too much credit, i think BOTH Lufkin and Longview are both higher caliber teams than Colrain or St.Ignacious......oh yeah, but im just a homer

RGV man.. I have to agree with you. This Ohio "HOMER" thinks if you dont clearly call his 2004 Colerain team the clear #1 team in the nation than you are some kind of "So and So State 'HOMER".. He calls everyone that doenst agree or think just like him ..well they are a whacko and a "HOMER".

I'll say it again for like the 1,000 time I think for Concheeee. The 2004 Colerain team was good. They looked just like about 15 or so Texas teams in my "HOMER" opinion with their size, speed and ect.

The true only difference I could clearly see. The Colerain QB wouldnt walk around the end untouched time after time after time like he did in the State title game. The Mckinley defense was very unsound with their "technique's" and "assignment football".

[concha]

Gee, I just hope Colerain can keep it close.

One of the truly "feel good" aspects of this game for you, Froggy, is that Colerain is one of the very few Ohio teams that actually does run 90% of the time.

This is going to be hilarious......

[Texasfrog]

Gee, I just hope Colerain can keep it close.

One of the truly "feel good" aspects of this game for you, Froggy, is that Colerain is one of the very few Ohio teams that actually does run 90% of the time.

This is going to be hilarious......

Get real clown... Colerain runs 99.9% of the time. Not 90% of the time. If you think a team like Tyler Lee is going to let that QB come around the end every freakin time untouched you're kidding yourself. I can promise you "my soul" that his going to be pickin his BUTT off the dirt everytime because Texas DE's are throughly schooled on taken out the QB everytime he comes down the line like that (with or without the ball) the QB will without a doubt be picking the dirt out of his earhole.

It didnt take me long watching the Mckinley team to notice that they have never been coached that "basic principal" of stopping the mid-line option. Once he (QB) does that a couple of times his going to be pitching that ball quick because he doesnt want to get slammed to the earth anymore. WATCH !!!! I can promise you that both Tyler Lee DE's will be hitting that Colerain QB everytime ....

That running around acting and faking the ball and having both the DE and OLB running after the FB everytime on a fake belly handoff arent going to happen against a team like Tyler Lee. Your new QB will be very lucky to do that one time and get away with it. Twice.. forget about it.

We'll see what's funny. Just be here so I can get a good laugh at you.

PS.. Next season lets see if some Ohio team "Balls up" and comes to Texas to play a team in Texas like Lufkin , SLC or a handful of others Texas teams "IN TEXAS."

Good luck with Colerain.. the biggest threat to Tyler Lee is some 12th man "HOMER REF". We'll see if the so called "holding calls" even out after the game.

[concha]

Yes, of course, Froggy. Whatever you say. Yawn. I just hope the Cards can keep it close.



BTW, last year (which was run heavy even for Colerain), they ran 94.6% of their plays. Just FYI.

There's ONE Ohio team that runs 90% or more of the time. Can you actually name any others?

[Texasfrog]

Yes, of course, Froggy. Whatever you say. Yawn. I just hope the Cards can keep it close.



BTW, last year (which was run heavy even for Colerain), they ran 94.6% of their plays. Just FYI.

There's ONE Ohio team that runs 90% or more of the time. Can you actually name any others?


Just waiting for you to show me the STATS to prove me wrong. Hmmmmm? Dont see that happening huh !! Lets see your cheap talk or facts. No facts from you.. just cheap talk. Kind of like Glenville being this super fast track team with their "A" and "B" teams at some so called National Track Meet in North Carolina that probably didnt even have a team from Texas, California or Florida at it. Go figure huh..

Sounds alot like Long Beach Poly a couple of years ago talking about how fast they were when they came to the Texas Relays and got smoked by some Texas teams head to head.

Listening to you talk about how Fast Glenville is you would think they were on some other planet with their "World Class Speed". Just oppps,, when the facts come out they would just be another one of about 25 teams in Texas huh.

Like I said... You and "SPIN" go pretty much "hand in hand."

[Texasfrog]

Yes, of course, Froggy. Whatever you say. Yawn. I just hope the Cards can keep it close.



BTW, last year (which was run heavy even for Colerain), they ran 94.6% of their plays. Just FYI.

There's ONE Ohio team that runs 90% or more of the time. Can you actually name any others?

Also you'lll see. When the game is finally played. I want you to count starting from play one how many times the Colerain QB gets "HIT" and is picking himself up off the ground coming down the line with the ball or even without it. Its called "COACHING." Something that Mckinley apparently didnt do much.

[concha]

Just waiting for you to show me the STATS to prove me wrong. Hmmmmm? Dont see that happening huh !! Lets see your cheap talk or facts. No facts from you.. just cheap talk. [You are absolutely unbelievable. It's like trying to debate with Rainman. I am FROM Ohio you dimwit. I KNOW of what I speak. YOU are making assinine assertions about Ohio football and have thusfar produced NOTHING to back it up. Only an ignorant jackass would say say that Ohio teams run 90% of the time.] Kind of like Glenville being this super fast track team with their "A" and "B" teams at some so called National Track Meet in North Carolina that probably didnt even have a team from Texas, California or Florida at it. Go figure huh.. [Glenville 'A' beat Texas Relays and 4A champion Lancaster. Next.... Oh, and is Lancaster good at football? Were they running actual players? ] Meet Summary (http://www.dyestat.com/3us/4out/aocraleigh/eventsum.htm#boys)

Sounds alot like Long Beach Poly a couple of years ago talking about how fast they were when they came to the Texas Relays and got smoked by some Texas teams head to head.

Listening to you talk about how Fast Glenville is you would think they were on some other planet with their "World Class Speed". Just oppps,, when the facts [Like the "fact" that Glenville beat the top Texas 4x100 relay team and took #1 and #3 at the Adidas sponsored outdoor track & field championships? Feel stupid yet?] come out they would just be another one of about 25 teams in Texas huh.

Like I said... You and "SPIN" go pretty much "hand in hand."
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[Texasfrog]

Again.. LEARN TO READ CONCHEEE !!!!!

First.. go back and read the post where I said, " I know Glenville got some fast boys." Go back and READ THAT !!!

But, to try and claim they would be the fastest track team in Texas is a very very very LONNNNNGGGG reach. Dont see it happening. Sorry, you can "SPIN" and say will if the kids arent racing "head to head" it doesnt prove anything. Well, I think the electronic times in Texas are pretty much the same as the electronic times in Ohio.

But, very simply. Glenville would be just another one of about 20 solid track teams in Texas. The proof is in the results. GO look at the Texas UIL & Texas Relays track results slippy.

Texas would dominate 95% of the track results in the 100M, 200M, 4x100 and 4x200 if you compare the results from the Texas relays, Texas UIL meet compared to the OHSAA State Meet results. Again.. Night compared to Day comes to my mind.

Texas has 3A kids that would of won the 100M and 200M in Ohio. Fact not Fiction !!!! And Yes, most of those Texas track runners also play football.

Last... you live in OHIO !!!!?? Then put up !!!! Show the Stats to shut me up of lets say the top #20 Ohio Schools from last season. Something tells me that most of those teams Run at least 3/4 of the time at best and close to 90% of the time at worse. But, PUT UP !!! You've pulled out Texas stats before when your trying to show how SLC was bad or inferior and ect to some Ohio school (Colerain). So put up STAT GUY !!!!! Prove me wrong. You just saying I'm lying and full of crap dont cut it STAT GUY !!!

PUT UP or SHUT UP !!!

[concha]

Again.. LEARN TO READ CONCHEEE !!!!!

First.. go back and read the post where I said, " I know Glenville got some fast boys." Go back and READ THAT !!!

But, to try and claim they would be the fastest track team in Texas is a very very very LONNNNNGGGG reach. [I didn't say that.] Dont see it happening. Sorry, you can "SPIN" and say will if the kids arent racing "head to head" it doesnt prove anything. Well, I think the electronic times in Texas are pretty much the same as the electronic times in Ohio. [My point about head-to-head is very valid. Ask Lancaster (TX) who had the fastest time in the nation but then lost head-to-head (!!!) to Glenville.]

But, very simply. Glenville would be just another one of about 20 solid track teams in Texas. The proof is in the results. GO look at the Texas UIL & Texas Relays track results slippy.

Texas would dominate 95% of the track results in the 100M, 200M, 4x100 and 4x200 if you compare the results from the Texas relays, Texas UIL meet compared to the OHSAA State Meet results. Again.. Night compared to Day comes to my mind.

Texas has 3A kids that would of won the 100M and 200M in Ohio. Fact not Fiction !!!! And Yes, most of those Texas track runners also play football.

Last... you live in OHIO !!!!?? Then put up !!!! Show the Stats to shut me up of lets say the top #20 Ohio Schools from last season. Something tells me that most of those teams Run at least 3/4 of the time at best and close to 90% of the time at worse. [WHAT tells you this?????? That little funny voice in your head???? It sure ain't stats, facts or common-freaking-sense?] But, PUT UP !!! You've pulled out Texas stats before when your trying to show how SLC was bad or inferior and ect to some Ohio school (Colerain). So put up STAT GUY !!!!! Prove me wrong. You just saying I'm lying and full of crap dont cut it STAT GUY !!!

PUT UP or SHUT UP !!! [No. YOU prove that the idiotic, assinine crap you spew is even remotely true. I see now we're down to 3/4 from 90%. Why is that, Mr. Football Whiz? I will continue to point out that you are spewing assinine, ignorant crap as long as you care to continue spouting it. Have a nice day. :D ]
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[Texasfrog]

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Ohhh, I love it even more. You're posting results from a track meet in 2004. I'm sitting here thinking that where talking about 2005 track season.

Nice move. How about taking a look at the 2005 times slippy. Also.. I'm sure in OHIO in 2004 with the 4X100 relay team. There was Glenville and then there was nobody. At least in Ohio. Again.. in Texas there would of been about 20 track teams right with them. Who else was in Ohio in 2004 for the 4X100 ?? How long should I hold my breath ? I would like to compare the 2004 overall Ohio results with the 2004 overall Texas results.

Like I've said before.. That little term called "competition" comes to my mind rather we're talking about football or track. Running against NOBODY is almost like playing football against alot of NOBODIES.

Go look at the 2005 OHSAA and the Texas Relays and Texas UIL track results and get back with me ok. And yes... I'll forgive ya.

Also.. make sure you READ where I said I know that Glenville has some Fast boys. They would be right there most years with about 20 Texas track programs.

[concha]

I posted 2004 because Glenville competed in that year. I don't think Glenville nor Lancaster competed in '05. Again, my attention deficit stricken pardner, I am not comparing Ohio to Texas. I was merely showing the speed that Glenville possesses. If you think there are 20 teams in Texas (or 25 or 15 or whatever your number du jour is) that are as fast as Glenville, you are smoking crack. BTW, I mean football teams, becasue at least in Glenville's case, the speed guys do both.

[RGVBadBoy]

i dont know why ya'll are comparing Texas track to Ohio track.....so why dont we just drop the whole track thing....all that needs to be said is that FortWorthWyatt holds the national HS record in the 4x100m relay, let me also point out that the national 100m record holder is from Texas as well....so who cares about Lancaster and Glenville....in fact the only other person outside of texas to be able to say he is the or one of the fastest sprinters in the country pertaining to HS is Xavier Carter from Florida whom is playing WR at LSU....so anyways, lets get back to Texas kicking Ohios' @$$!!!!! :cool:

here are some of the records that Texas HS hold NATIONALLY, ALL ARE SPRINTING EVENTS, we have em' except the 400m, feel free to post some of Ohios....thank you...

100m 10.13 NR Derrick Florence Galveston Ball 1986

200m 20.13 NR Roy Martin Dallas Roosevelt 1985

4x100R 39.76 NR Milton Wesley
Montie Clopton
Michael Franklin
DeMario Wesley Fort Worth O. D. Wyatt 1998

4x200R 1:23.31 NR Milton Wesley
Montie Clopton
Michael Franklin
DeMario Wesley Fort Worth O. D. Wyatt 1998

[Texasfrog]

I posted 2004 because Glenville competed in that year. I don't think Glenville nor Lancaster competed in '05. Again, my attention deficit stricken pardner, I am not comparing Ohio to Texas. I was merely showing the speed that Glenville possesses. If you think there are 20 teams in Texas (or 25 or 15 or whatever your number du jour is) that are as fast as Glenville, you are smoking crack. BTW, I mean football teams, becasue at least in Glenville's case, the speed guys do both.

Yes there is alot of track teams in Texas that can run with the mighty Glenville and be right there with them at the finish line. They would win some and they would lose some.... Glenville would win some and they would lose some in track if they competed in Texas. The 2005 Glenville track team would of been just another one of the boys in Texas when it came to track. Go look at the Texas UIL Track meet, Texas Relays track meet and compare them to the OSHAA track results.

In fact.. in Ohio there is pretty much Glenville in track and then nothing. In Texas there is freakin about 20 legit bigtime track programs. Go look at the results !!!!! They dont lie.. Just your spinning does.

If you want to compare individual times in the 100M & 200M Texas clearly "DOMINATES" Ohio.

And "YES" many of the track athletes in Texas are football players. In fact track is pretty much considered part of the offseason conditioning for most Texas programs. So, yes about 90% of the Boys track teams in Texas are football players.

Heck, kind of what I think about Texas football compared to Ohio football. Texas has about 15 legit National football programs and Ohio probably has about 5 or so legit National football programs.

One thing is for 110% clear without a doubt. The speed in Ohio isnt better or faster then the Texas kids. Texas has like a 6/1 advantage when it comes to Programs and speed. example.. for every ONE legit fast Ohio team there is about 6 legit fast Texas teams. That term "COMPETITION" again comes to my mind...

Hey Concheee,,,, dont worry about it. Many of the top echlone Texas football programs arent really known for the great track programs but they keep finding ways to get to the upper echlon of Texas football ( Katy, SLC, Smithson Valley, Tyler Lee, Woodlands, North Shore , Longview). They are just very good football programs that have alot of fast football kids.

Heck, I know that the 2001 Lufkin football team had right at 18 kids that ran a legit 4.6 are faster. That fast "TEAM SPEED." Oh ya,, a legit 4.6 is fast. Please spare me any myth stories how this or that Ohio team has 14 or so kids that run legit 4.4 with a kid or two hitting the great mythical 4.3...

[RGVBadBoy]

yes frog, i agree once again,

i cant think of anyone off hand that is a legit 4.3 not is HS, MAYBE Jamaal Charles from PortArthur but thats pretty much it, i think Reggie McNeal from Lufkin is about a mid 4.4 kid, but if Concha comes back and says that some Ohio team has 2 or 3 LEGIT (FAT timed or accutimed NOT handheld by a stopwatch) kids that run 4.3s, then he OBVIOUSLY is mistaken, i think Ted Ginn Jr. is POSSIBLY a HIGH 4.3 maybe low to mid 4.4, its his lateral quickness and explosiveness that makes him look so fast....dont get me wrong, the kid can burn...but guys that run that MAGICAL 4.3 are VERY few and far between......maybe left to guys like Randy Moss and Darrel Greene

[RidgePride]

Heck, I know that the 2001 Lufkin football team had right at 18 kids that ran a legit 4.6 are faster. That fast "TEAM SPEED." Oh ya,, a legit 4.6 is fast. Please spare me any myth stories how this or that Ohio team has 14 or so kids that run legit 4.4 with a kid or two hitting the great mythical 4.3...


I spoke to an NFL defensive back and he said running a legit 4.5 is still good in the NFL.

He also said there is probably no NFL team that has 5 players that run a Legit 4.3.

[RGVBadBoy]

I spoke to an NFL defensive back and he said running a legit 4.5 is still good in the NFL.

He also said there is probably no NFL team that has 5 players that run a Legit 4.3.
i believe it...

[Texasfrog]

I spoke to an NFL defensive back and he said running a legit 4.5 is still good in the NFL.

He also said there is probably no NFL team that has 5 players that run a Legit 4.3.


Truth be known.. the average NFL "DB" hits about 4.5. The average NFL "WR" hits about 4.55 and the average NFL "RB" hits about 4.6. Now those are overall averages for those three skilled positions. The overall difference between the three is pretty much a blink.

I would say right now in the NFL there is probably about 10 or less players that can hit 4.3 on a somewhat "average basis" and they wouldnt hit it everytime. Only when they have a great start in perfect condition on fast grass..

I would say for most NFL players it more about explosion, power and balance than true 40 time.

[concha]

40 Times are Full of Crap (http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/20050418-9999-1s18forty.html)

This puts things in perspective.

[concha]

Heck, I know that the 2001 Lufkin football team had right at 18 kids that ran a legit 4.6 are faster. That fast "TEAM SPEED." Oh ya,, a legit 4.6 is fast. Please spare me any myth stories how this or that Ohio team has 14 or so kids that run legit 4.4 with a kid or two hitting the great mythical 4.3...

Maybe part of your problem is that you seem to dream up fantasy arguments for me that I would never actually make.

[Texasfrog]

Maybe part of your problem is that you seem to dream up fantasy arguments for me that I would never actually make. Thats all....


I'm just kind of getting ready for something totally off the wall from you like Glenville has 3 kids that hit 4.3's all the time and half the team hits 4.5 and the DT & OG run 4.8 or something crazy.

Glenville is probably the fastest "TEAM" in Ohio. I think we'll both agree on that. But, has it equalled to a State Trophy ? Not yet. I would say over the last few years from what I've seen.. Glenville is probably usually about #3 or #4 in Ohio with all their "team speed."

The same thing with Texas. Many of the top echlon 5A and 4A teams arent usually known for their great track teams. They do have some fast individual kids that can run 100M and 200M with the best of them.

Just off the cuff with Tyler Lee. I know they have one kid DB-Laquent Nichols that hits the high 4.4's on average and they have another couple of kids that hit high 4.5's on average and then they have about 10 or so kids that are in the legit 4.6 range. Something tells me that Colerain is somewhere in the same range as Tyler Lee when it comes to "team speed."

[concha]

Thats all....


I'm just kind of getting ready for something totally off the wall from you like Glenville has 3 kids that hit 4.3's all the time and half the team hits 4.5 and the DT & OG run 4.8 or something crazy.

Glenville is probably the fastest "TEAM" in Ohio. I think we'll both agree on that. But, has it equalled to a State Trophy ? Not yet. I would say over the last few years from what I've seen.. Glenville is probably usually about #3 or #4 in Ohio with all their "team speed."

The same thing with Texas. Many of the top echlon 5A and 4A teams arent usually known for their great track teams. They do have some fast individual kids that can run 100M and 200M with the best of them.

Just off the cuff with Tyler Lee. I know they have one kid DB-Laquent Nichols that hits the high 4.4's on average and they have another couple of kids that hit high 4.5's on average and then they have about 10 or so kids that are in the legit 4.6 range. Something tells me that Colerain is somewhere in the same range as Tyler Lee when it comes to "team speed."

I would not be surprised at all if Lee and Colerain are in the same ballpark in terms of speed. Their RB Terrance Sherrer runs a 10.7 100, which is pretty respectable. Another is one of the fastest hurdlers in SW Ohio. Colerain, however, is not in Glenville's league. Year-in, year-out I guarantee you that few if any teams in the nation are. I assume you saw the article about Glenville and their D1 recruits. Glenville is known for producing DBs. In fact, the day may come when you could actually see every starting DB playing for Ohio State being a Glenville grad. No joke.

[Texasfrog]

I would not be surprised at all if Lee and Colerain are in the same ballpark in terms of speed. Their RB Terrance Sherrer runs a 10.7 100, which is pretty respectable. Another is one of the fastest hurdlers in SW Ohio. Colerain, however, is not in Glenville's league. Year-in, year-out I guarantee you that few if any teams in the nation are. I assume you saw the article about Glenville and their D1 recruits. Glenville is known for producing DBs. In fact, the day may come when you could actually see every starting DB playing for Ohio State being a Glenville grad. No joke.

There is no doubt that Glenville puts out some great athletes. The Ginn kid is an amazing athlete with a football in his hand and is a threat to take it home anytime. I'm not sure its his straight line speed but his kanny-knack of knowing when to cut and quickness.

There is no doubt that they have "fast team speed."

I do think there is some teams in Texas that would almost match them to a man with just pure Team speed.

But, like I also said. Many of the true Texas powers in football arent really known for their elite track program. They have a handful of fast kids (4.4 to 4.5) with about 10 other really fast kids (4.6) and then just alot of hard-headed team players that go all out with their (4.7 to 4.9) speed.

Lufkin did have two fast DE's last year that both hit the 4.7's with their (6-4/245 lbs) size. Not bad.. if they can put on about 30 more LB's and keep that speed they may work themselves into future NFL picks in 4 years.

[concha]

Ted Ginn Jr. was a national 110m hurdles champion. His straight-line speed is excellent.

Ohio's best teams are not generally the very fastest either. They have adequate speed where necessary and win with balance, depth and discipline. Very solid o-lines are a prerequisite.

[Texasfrog]

I would not be surprised at all if Lee and Colerain are in the same ballpark in terms of speed. Their RB Terrance Sherrer runs a 10.7 100, which is pretty respectable. Another is one of the fastest hurdlers in SW Ohio. Colerain, however, is not in Glenville's league. Year-in, year-out I guarantee you that few if any teams in the nation are. I assume you saw the article about Glenville and their D1 recruits. Glenville is known for producing DBs. In fact, the day may come when you could actually see every starting DB playing for Ohio State being a Glenville grad. No joke.


Also.. I'm not any expert on Glenville. But, it sure looks like Coach Ginn has some kind of "OPEN DOOR" policy at the school when it comes to athletes.

In other words.. I think some of those kids wake up early and make that early morning road trip to travel to Glenville High so they can be in the.. what do they call it... Glenville Family.

[Texasfrog]

Ted Ginn Jr. was a national 110m hurdles champion. His straight-line speed is excellent.

Ohio's best teams are not generally the very fastest either. They have adequate speed where necessary and win with balance, depth and discipline. Very solid o-lines are a prerequisite.

I'm not saying the kid is slow...... I'm saying what seperates him from many others on the football field is his kanny knack of cutting at the right time and quickness. By the way .. in football "I THINK" a quick player is more dangerous then a true straight line fast player.

But, what I'm talking about with Ginn is his "FOOTBALL SPEED". (Speed, quickness and cutting ability). That's what seperates him from alot of other players.

[concha]

I'm not saying the kid is slow...... I'm saying what seperates him from many others on the football field is his kanny knack of cutting at the right time and quickness. By the way .. in football "I THINK" a quick player is more dangerous then a true straight line fast player.

But, what I'm talking about with Ginn is his "FOOTBALL SPEED". (Speed, quickness and cutting ability). That's what seperates him from alot of other players.

Agreed. The kid can accelerate like few others, and cut/stop on a dime.

[concha]

Also.. I'm not any expert on Glenville. But, it sure looks like Coach Ginn has some kind of "OPEN DOOR" policy at the school when it comes to athletes.

In other words.. I think some of those kids wake up early and make that early morning road trip to travel to Glenville High so they can be in the.. what do they call it... Glenville Family.

Coach Ginn has never been sanctioned, but he does ruffle some feathers with the talent that shows up.... no question.

[RGVBadBoy]

as far as one of the Colerain RBs running a 10.7 100m, sure 10.7s are pretty respectable, but uncommon??? i think not, i'm from the RGV and we arent exactly known for our football or athletes, but i think we had SEVERAL teams with players that were running in the hi 10s in the 100m....and these teams down here COULDN'T even HOPE to compare with a state championship texas team like TylerLee, Lufkin, SmithsonValley, Longview or SLC..... as for Ted Ginn Jr. being a national hurdle champ, i can see that, the kid is a BURNER, but i heard once that he's only a 10.5 100m guy, while 10.5s are VERY fast, i think he's probobly faster on the field than he is on the track....... because 10.5s ain't gonna even make the finals at the Texas State Track Meet in Austin....though i still think that Ginn is the best FOOTBALL player in the Nation....

[concha]

as far as one of the Colerain RBs running a 10.7 100m, sure 10.7s are pretty respectable, but uncommon??? i think not, i'm from the RGV and we arent exactly known for our football or athletes, but i think we had SEVERAL teams with players that were running in the hi 10s in the 100m....and these teams down here COULDN'T even HOPE to compare with a state championship texas team like TylerLee, Lufkin, SmithsonValley, Longview or SLC..... as for Ted Ginn Jr. being a national hurdle champ, i can see that, the kid is a BURNER, but i heard once that he's only a 10.5 100m guy, while 10.5s are VERY fast, i think he's probobly faster on the field than he is on the track....... because 10.5s ain't gonna even make the finals at the Texas State Track Meet in Austin....though i still think that Ginn is the best FOOTBALL player in the Nation....

I did not say "uncommon". But most 10.7 ties or better are to be found amongst D-backs, not necessarily runningbacks. And you are unlikely to find more than a small number of players on even the best, fastest teams that can run that fast or better.

Colerain runs the option. One of the clear realities of the option game at the high school level is that unless the defense has a clear speed advantage over the offense (not just parity), the defense will be in trouble. This is one reason why Colerain has been so successful with their option game over the years. In certain respects Glenville was the only Ohio team with a prayer of beating Colerain last year. And it was a question of speed. At the high school level you don't normally find a big enough speed advantage for the defense to really manage a well-run option game.

As far as speed, you indirectly point to a big "Truth" of football (as has my dear, dear friend Froggy), straight-line speed on a track with no pads (and no football in your hands) is galactically different from "football" speed. This is one reason that I mention that Glenville's speed guys are all football players. The top sprinters in Florida and Texas could probaly have beaten Ted Ginn, Jr. in a sprint on a track. But ask them to catch a punt and gain yards. My money's on Ted "Gin and Tonic" to win THAT race.

[Texasfrog]

I did not say "uncommon". But most 10.7 ties or better are to be found amongst D-backs, not necessarily runningbacks. And you are unlikely to find more than a small number of players on even the best, fastest teams that can run that fast or better.

Colerain runs the option. One of the clear realities of the option game at the high school level is that unless the defense has a clear speed advantage over the offense (not just parity), the defense will be in trouble. This is one reason why Colerain has been so successful with their option game over the years. In certain respects Glenville was the only Ohio team with a prayer of beating Colerain last year. And it was a question of speed. At the high school level you don't normally find a big enough speed advantage for the defense to really manage a well-run option game.

As far as speed, you indirectly point to a big "Truth" of football (as has my dear, dear friend Froggy), straight-line speed on a track with no pads (and no football in your hands) is galactically different from "football" speed. This is one reason that I mention that Glenville's speed guys are all football players. The top sprinters in Florida and Texas could probaly have beaten Ted Ginn, Jr. in a sprint on a track. But ask them to catch a punt and gain yards. My money's on Ted "Gin and Tonic" to win THAT race.

I'm not sure I really agree with on the speed being the #1 key in the mid-line option. Sure, having a faster group of kids is always usually a plus. But, the Mid-line options biggest "KEY" is timing and the biggest key to having a very successful mid-line option team is the QB. The QB better be able to make "mili-second" reads. If you have a QB that can read the defense on the fly and is magic with the football that is the biggest key to the mid-line option.

Second.. if you have a defense that is very fundamentally sound in their techniques and assignment responsibility. The Mid-line option can have alot of problems with that. Even if the defense is a so-called "slower" defense than the offense. Which so you know.. Tyler Lee defense isnt exactly slow and they are very well coached in assignment football. Sure, a play is going to break open every now and than... "thats football," but it isnt going to be easy. Like I said before... I can promise you that the new Colerain QB is going to be picking alot of dirt out of his earhole because his going to be getting hit on every play.. I'm not talking noise to ya,,, just telling you the truth.

[Texasfrog]

Also Concha.. No doubt that Ginn is looking like a great player that is going to be a bigtime player for years to come. But, there is alot of fast players in Texas that can return those punts and return those kickoffs and they do it at the top level also. 3 of the last few NFL All-PRO's in the area are all Texas boys.

Dante Hall - Kansas City Chiefs (All-Pro)
Terrence McGee - Buffalo Bills (All-Pro)
Allen Rossum - Atlanta Falcons (All-Pro)

All 3 of these Texas players werent actually bigtime highly regarded blue-chips coming out of High school. There is still alot of these 5-9 to 5-11 No name players in Texas that can return those balls at the highest level. Dont be surprised if Tyler Lee has one of these dudes.

[myround0]

There is no doubt that Glenville puts out some great athletes. The Ginn kid is an amazing athlete with a football in his hand and is a threat to take it home anytime. I'm not sure its his straight line speed but his kanny-knack of knowing when to cut and quickness.

There is no doubt that they have "fast team speed."

I do think there is some teams in Texas that would almost match them to a man with just pure Team speed.

But, like I also said. Many of the true Texas powers in football arent really known for their elite track program. They have a handful of fast kids (4.4 to 4.5) with about 10 other really fast kids (4.6) and then just alot of hard-headed team players that go all out with their (4.7 to 4.9) speed.

Lufkin did have two fast DE's last year that both hit the 4.7's with their (6-4/245 lbs) size. Not bad.. if they can put on about 30 more LB's and keep that speed they may work themselves into future NFL picks in 4 years.

Just want to throw this tidbit at the out of state visitors. the Texas Longhorns recruited Vondrell Mcgee from longview and reported he might be converted to DB. Mcgee ran a 4.37 forty time for the Texas Longhorns and there is a possibility he might remain a running back after that forty time. And why would Oklahoma State post a 4.34 forty time for Chris Ivory. The Lobos are a team Tyler Lee faced last year and at one time lead the game before falling in overtime. If Lee can manage the dou of Ivory and Mcgee, which are known as the Texas top dou, I am sure they will give our Ohio opponents more than they can handle and if Ohio is to win then they best hope their defense scores some points. Because their offense will have their hands full with Tyler Lee's Defense which is one of the state's best defenses

[concha]

Colerain's RB's will have good speed. 40 times are notorious for being a load of BS, but both of their key guys are solid track athletes. Importantly, they will run behind a very, very good o-line. In my mind, the quality of the defense they face is not the biggest concern for the Cards. It is the quality of their new QB and how well he fits into their option offense. If Colerain can find a good option QB for next season, they WILL score a decent amount of points. This is not a criticism of Tyler's defense at all. It is just that at the high school level, a well-run option offense with talent of the level that Colerain will have is nearly impossible to shut down.

IF (big IF) Colerain can fill the shoes of the excellent QB they lost, then I am comfortable predicting a Colerain win. However, Tyler's QB sounds like an excellent player as does their RB (as does this Cuba... kid). I think Tyler's chances are better in a higher scoring affair (REL's passing game does damage, primarily).

[KT2000]

As stated in our preview, one thing that separates Tyler Lee from other programs in the state is their ingenuity on offense (never surprising to see them close to 50-50 on pass/run in a game). They are extremely well-coached. Cuba really emerged as a stud last year in his first season as a starter. He was listed at 6'3 190 in December, and I'm scared to think of how much he may have grown since then. Of course, even this year he'll still only be a junior. In my opinion, the prototypical build for a safety is 6'3, 205-210 going into college.

As far as defending the option goes, Lee's best player on defense (even ahead of Cuba) is senior Jacoby McKenzie. McKenzie was nearly unblockable at points last year going against some of the better OLs in the state (see Euless Trinity semi-final game). He will be a huge part of Lee's plan to stifle whatever runs between the tackles.

[concha]

As stated in our preview, one thing that separates Tyler Lee from other programs in the state is their ingenuity on offense (never surprising to see them close to 50-50 on pass/run in a game). They are extremely well-coached. Cuba really emerged as a stud last year in his first season as a starter. He was listed at 6'3 190 in December, and I'm scared to think of how much he may have grown since then. Of course, even this year he'll still only be a junior. In my opinion, the prototypical build for a safety is 6'3, 205-210 going into college.

As far as defending the option goes, Lee's best player on defense (even ahead of Cuba) is senior Jacoby McKenzie. McKenzie was nearly unblockable at points last year going against some of the better OLs in the state (see Euless Trinity semi-final game). He will be a huge part of Lee's plan to stifle whatever runs between the tackles.

Cuba sounds like a real threat (I assume he is a receiver also?). Assuming that he doesn't take over the QB position, I would imagine that Coach Coombs will assign Eugene Clifford to cover Cuba. Clifford may be the best overall athlete on Colerain's team and will be heavily recruited in '06 (he will be a junior also and will be a 3-year starter - word is that Michigan has already begun sending him flowers and chocolates). Clifford has good size also. He is nearly Cuba's height, so there should not be a physical mismatch.

It will be interesting to see if McKenzie lines up opposite Connor Smith. Smith recorded 310 knockdown blocks last season and dominated everyone who faced him.

These could be fun matchups, mini clashes of the titans.

[Hornified64]

Concha.....

To answer your question about Cuba being a WR also the answer
would be....NO.

Now that "could" change BUT the Tyler Lee coaching staff is pretty
"set" on NOT having or utilizing a PLATOON system.

My experience of watching the Lee teams during the Owens era....
now entering a 10th season is that....with very few exceptions...they
DO NOT "share" the talent between offense and defense.

Two times come to mind and that was LAST year when OL Ciron Black & OG
Sam Banks appeared on the defensive side of the ball on a handful of
snaps DURING the regular season.

I'm trying to recall if platooning players has occurred and frankly the Lee
coaches are very protective of their own ...from an offensive/defensive
perspective.

Of course.... Cuba is exactly the type of talent that might warrant this
type of usage BUT don't bet on it. Lee is pretty stacked at WR as it stands
for the 2005 season.

Just an observation.

[KT2000]

Building on what Hornified said...Lee, in recent seasons anyway, is usually very well stocked at the skill positions so they haven't had to use hardly any players both ways (that I know of anyway). I think that's key because it allows players to stay fresh and not get worn down in the tougher games, and over the course of the season.

[Hornified64]

I have seen REL play once against the Woodlands two years ago.
Will someone tell me what offense they run.

I do not think REL runs the spread.


Tyler Lee DOES NOT run the spread.

They vary their offense according to personnel
and do utilize multiple formations....hence a multiple
threat offense....where the opposition is kept off
balance....more often than not.

Typically (as was the case in 2004) they RAN the
ball more often than passed because of the duo
threat from BOTH the TB & FB positions.

I look for them to really mix the pass and run more
than last year...if I had to compare one year/unit
from another.

[Texasfrog]

Tyler Lee DOES NOT run the spread.

They vary their offense according to personnel
and do utilize multiple formations....hence a multiple
threat offense....where the opposition is kept off
balance....more often than not.

Typically (as was the case in 2004) they RAN the
ball more often than passed because of the duo
threat from BOTH the TB & FB positions.

I look for them to really mix the pass and run more
than last year...if I had to compare one year/unit
from another.

I think you will see alot of shotgun-spread formations with Tyler Lee like when they had QB-Matt Flynn (LSU) and RB-Smith (A&M). That's what I think. I look for a very overall balanced offense from Tyler Lee this season.

[Texasfrog]

Concha.....

To answer your question about Cuba being a WR also the answer
would be....NO.

Now that "could" change BUT the Tyler Lee coaching staff is pretty
"set" on NOT having or utilizing a PLATOON system.

My experience of watching the Lee teams during the Owens era....
now entering a 10th season is that....with very few exceptions...they
DO NOT "share" the talent between offense and defense.

Two times come to mind and that was LAST year when OL Ciron Black & OG
Sam Banks appeared on the defensive side of the ball on a handful of
snaps DURING the regular season.

I'm trying to recall if platooning players has occurred and frankly the Lee
coaches are very protective of their own ...from an offensive/defensive
perspective.

Of course.... Cuba is exactly the type of talent that might warrant this
type of usage BUT don't bet on it. Lee is pretty stacked at WR as it stands
for the 2005 season.

Just an observation.

I agree.. I've seen about 12 Tyler Lee games over the last 7 seasons and I dont remember seeing alot of kids playing both defense or offense. They may have a kid come in for (goalline) or something like that but no kids realy go both ways.

I dont think the Cuba kid played one down of WR last season. His a fulltime "FS".

I mean ,,, you wont see kids playing both ways like the RB playing WLB or TE playing DT like some other places.

[pack0808]

and i agree. tyler lee does not run the spread normally. they mix it up with i sets, pro sets and shotgun sets but rarely do they ever run a true spread. the only time i have ever seen lee go to a true spread was when they were in a hole in lufkin a few years ago and they could not run the ball.