could we have another slc QB player of the year? [Archive]

yankee

01-22-2006, 08:14 PM

i think it really shows how hard those qbs work at slc to have

chase wasson 02
chase daniel 03 04
greg mac 05
riley dodge ?

how crazy whould that be does he have that spark like they did?
it would be great, but riley needs to watch himself. he doesnt have the size of daniel or mcelroy, and running around alot is going to raise his chances of getting injured. and not only does it show how hard the qb's work, it shows the system that dodge has put together.

CKE

01-22-2006, 08:48 PM

Who knows slc is always good at building strong QBs there could be a good chance for him to win because of the program he is in. we'll see what happenes best of luck next to him next year

toonman

01-23-2006, 09:22 AM

The system and the SLC program most definitely are the reasons why SLC had 4 consecutive the top rated QBs - but I think Todd Dodge is the main reason. After all Todd Dodge himself was one of the greatest Texas HS QBs of all time. I think Riley has what it takes to be a top rated Texas HS QB. All the factors are in his favor. SLC system, SLC Program, Todd Dodge as his HS Coach – oh yes Todd Dodge is his Dad and they can spent all of January through August getting ready for the 2006 and 2007 seasons.

Sakatha

01-23-2006, 10:00 AM

it would be great, but riley needs to watch himself. he doesnt have the size of daniel or mcelroy, and running around alot is going to raise his chances of getting injured. and not only does it show how hard the qb's work, it shows the system that dodge has put together.

Riley will put on a few lb's this off season. He is a bit of a kamikazee, though.

My fav. one was the first down against Plano where he got smashed along the sideline and popped up and glared at the dude who hit him... As soon as the guy was out of sight, Riley collapsed to the ground in pain.. lol He's got fire, that's for sure...

~DnM

KT2000

01-23-2006, 10:20 AM

I'm sure Riley will put up ridiculous numbers next year. He will be a serious threat to run, and that will only make the passing game harder to defend. You can't drop LBs into coverage against good running QBs, and that will help open up the quick hitting and mid-level stuff. Riley has the quickness/speed to take it the distance on a given play. I thought Chase Daniel was slightly above average as a passer, and look at what he did in two years with that system. As long as the OL isn't horrible, Carroll's offense will be extremely tough again this fall.

JagDad07

01-23-2006, 10:25 AM

How was Greg McElroy "player of the year" when he wasn't the MVP of your District? That honor went to Steven Headley.

http://www.texashsfootball.com/news/alldistrict05/dist55a.htm

dragonfootballfan

01-23-2006, 10:32 AM

How was Greg McElroy "player of the year" when he wasn't the MVP of your District? That honor went to Steven Headley.

http://www.texashsfootball.com/news/alldistrict05/dist55a.htm
The coaches vote on all district and the media votes on all state. I don't think that you can argue against the person that broke the record for touchdown passes in a season.

LUFPAN

01-23-2006, 11:31 AM

he will definitely be one of the front runners for the award, but I think that Bradley stephens from MacAllen should be a shoe-in barring injury.

A shoe-in for 2006 player of the year and its only January? There's lots of talent out there. Riley will have a good year but I don't think he'll have the stats of his predecessors. McElroy was throwing the ball to a group of DIV.1 receivers last year. It will be hard to replace that much talent.

dragonfootballfan

01-23-2006, 11:35 AM

A shoe-in for 2006 player of the year and its only January? There's lots of talent out there. Riley will have a good year but I don't think he'll have the stats of his predecessors. McElroy was throwing the ball to a group of DIV.1 receivers last year. It will be hard to replace that much talent.
They have replaced that much talent before. The shoe in should be Bradley Stephens he rushed for 2600 yards and like 30 something touchdowns during the regular season as a junior. I am pretty sure that if he repeats that he should be the MVP

KT2000

01-23-2006, 11:41 AM

You can't put anything past Carroll right now. They lost just about everyone off of the 16-0 team in 2002, and followed it up with a 15-1 season. The Dragon program is on fire right now, and will probably remain that way until Dodge decides he's had enough of high school.

LUFPAN

01-23-2006, 12:22 PM

They have replaced that much talent before. The shoe in should be Bradley Stephens he rushed for 2600 yards and like 30 something touchdowns during the regular season as a junior. I am pretty sure that if he repeats that he should be the MVP

So your saying that Dimitri Nance should have won the award in 2005 instead of McElroy? After all if 2600 is all it takes then Dimitri should have won when he went over 3000.

They won't be replacing it this time. To many quality starters gone from the offense and defense. SLC has a solid system and Coach Dodge does an incredible job with his players but nobody can overcome the loss of that much talent. Yes, yes, yes,....I can hear the Dragons all chanting "Tradition Never Graduates" but talent graduates every year.

dragonfootballfan

01-23-2006, 12:26 PM

So your saying that Dimitri Nance should have won the award in 2005 instead of McElroy? After all if 2600 is all it takes then Dimitri should have won when he went over 3000.
That is two different situations. Nance did not have over 3000 yards in the ten regular season games. His highlight video was posted on this site a while ago and it is really impressive. Stephens deserved the award in front of Nance this year, but McElroy deserved the award the most.

LUFPAN

01-23-2006, 12:31 PM

That is two different situations. Nance did not have over 3000 yards in the ten regular season games. His highlight video was posted on this site a while ago and it is really impressive. Stephens deserved the award in front of Nance this year, but McElroy deserved the award the most.

No its not different. If 2600 will be enought to win it in 2006, 3000 should have been enough in 2005. Nance goes for 3000 yds and his team wins the Div. 2 title, but Stephens had less yds and no title but deserved it ahead of him? Are you related to this Stephen's guy or is this a man-crush?

dragonfootballfan

01-23-2006, 12:33 PM

No its not different. If 2600 will be enought to win it in 2006, 3000 should have been enough in 2005. Nance goes for 3000 yds and his team wins the Div. 2 title, but Stephens had less yds and no title but deserved it ahead of him? Are you related to this Stephen's guy or is this a man-crush?
Those 3000 yards were earned over 15 games. Stephens had 2600 in ten games. That is different.

LUFPAN

01-23-2006, 12:37 PM

Those 3000 yards were earned over 15 games. Stephens had 2600 in ten games. That is different.

And how many games did McElroy play in? So we should throw out all his stats from rd.1 on and then have him mail the award to Stephens right?

drgnbkr

01-23-2006, 12:38 PM

How was Greg McElroy "player of the year" when he wasn't the MVP of your District? That honor went to Steven Headley.

http://www.texashsfootball.com/news/alldistrict05/dist55a.htm

I guess 5-A Offensive Player of the year carries a little more weight than a district award...don't ya think?...:confused:

dragonfootballfan

01-23-2006, 12:44 PM

And how many games did McElroy play in? So we should throw out all his stats from rd.1 on and then have him mail the award to Stephens right?
I didn't say that Stephens should get the award over McElroy. Are you now saying that?

CKE

01-23-2006, 12:48 PM

I guess 5-A Offensive Player of the year carries a little more weight than a district award...don't ya think?...:confused:

wait who gives 5a player of the year the admins on this web sight? cause if it is just the kts then i would much rather have a district reward just beacuse the coaches give that. not taking anything away from greg but that is what i would want

LUFPAN

01-23-2006, 12:51 PM

I didn't say that Stephens should get the award over McElroy. Are you now saying that?

No, you said that Stephen's 2600 yds last would be enough for him to win it this year if he repeats those stats. I pointed out that Nance had better stats but you discounted them because of his play-off games. I'm just following your logic that play-off stats mean nothing. There's no question McElroy deserved it last year. But there is no shoe-in to win it in 2007. I will say that I'm surprised that you did not actually say a SLC was the shoe in.

Blitzkreig

01-24-2006, 02:23 PM

And how many games did McElroy play in? So we should throw out all his stats from rd.1 on and then have him mail the award to Stephens right?

According to SLC/Star Telegram: McElroy had 2772yds/37TDs passing; 500+yds/10TDs rushing during regular season. Interestingly enough he stood on the sidelines for over 2 1/2 of his 10 regular games...anyone else do that? He improved in every playoff game with final stats: passing..4629yds/56TDs/67%comp/11ints passing; 700yds/12TDs rushing. Truely a Cinderella story, he set several school/5A passing records in the process. And, there have been some "fair" QB's at Carroll :) Not TXPOY? Really? Watch for the UAlabama version of the "Mac Attack" at a stadium near you...

Favpack

01-24-2006, 03:20 PM

dragonfootballfan

01-24-2006, 03:30 PM

Again it goes back to media ignorance to some degree - the eye-popping stats are all that is looked at. Bobby Reed from NS should have been MVP in '03 and Nance from ET should have gotten it this year. And, I'm still not convinced Wasson was the mvp on his own team in '02. No biggie really - all four qb's were very good.
Well in 2002 Wasson was putting up big numbers in Carroll's first year in 5A. You cannot claim media hype for the 2002 award because nobody knew who the quarterback was going to be in the 2002 season. Just wondering, who do you think was the MVP of the Carroll team in 2002 if it was not Wasson?

Favpack

01-24-2006, 03:36 PM

Well in 2002 Wasson was putting up big numbers in Carroll's first year in 5A. You cannot claim media hype for the 2002 award because nobody knew who the quarterback was going to be in the 2002 season. Just wondering, who do you think was the MVP of the Carroll team in 2002 if it was not Wasson?

I've got no real problem with Chase's selection - again, that year, the media was just blown away by those stats. It's silly - but I give the team mvp to the three wr's on that team -- but my State MVP was another Metroplex boy - Terrell Brown from N. Mesquite - the cb that broke his arm in the Rose Bowl. Never left the field, unstoppable as a rb and return man - and you never threw the ball his way on D. Lufkin was fortunate to beat NM in OT at NM in round 1 that year.

While Chase was a dangerous runner - his arm strength and accuracy were far inferior to Daniel's - and way far inferior to Greg's. The receivers that year - like this year - were just unstoppable. Wasson killed us with his spinning 50 yard run in '02 - the spread system and O.line protection did the rest.

dragonfootballfan

01-24-2006, 03:42 PM

I've got no real problem with Chase's selection - again, that year, the media was just blown away by those stats. It's silly - but I give the team mvp to the three wr's on that team -- but my State MVP was another Metroplex boy - Terrell Brown from N. Mesquite - the cb that broke his arm in the Rose Bowl. Never left the field, unstoppable as a rb and return man - and you never threw the ball his way on D. Lufkin was fortunate to beat NM in OT at NM in round 1 that year.

While Chase was a dangerous runner - his arm strength and accuracy were far inferior to Daniel's - and way far inferior to Greg's. The receivers that year - like this year - were just unstoppable. Wasson killed us with his spinning 50 yard run in '02 - the spread system and O.line protection did the rest.
Those three wide receivers were incredible for Carroll, and may have actually been better than the group this year. I think that there were three that went for over 1200 yards. Wasson's numbers were incredible. He was shattering records every week. Wasson's accuracy was better than Daniel's, but you are correct in the statement about his arm strength. Daniel and McElroy were both very deserving of the awards that they won. The problem is in Texas there are so many people playing football that there is bound to be a controversy.

drgnbkr

01-24-2006, 04:16 PM

I've got no real problem with Chase's selection - again, that year, the media was just blown away by those stats. It's silly - but I give the team mvp to the three wr's on that team -- but my State MVP was another Metroplex boy - Terrell Brown from N. Mesquite - the cb that broke his arm in the Rose Bowl. Never left the field, unstoppable as a rb and return man - and you never threw the ball his way on D. Lufkin was fortunate to beat NM in OT at NM in round 1 that year.

While Chase was a dangerous runner - his arm strength and accuracy were far inferior to Daniel's - and way far inferior to Greg's. The receivers that year - like this year - were just unstoppable. Wasson killed us with his spinning 50 yard run in '02 - the spread system and O.line protection did the rest.

Fav, just one objection...Wasson was the most accurate QB I've ever seen..uncanny ability with touch, leading the guys just right and throwing to a spot before the break...

Favpack

01-24-2006, 06:35 PM

Fav, just one objection...Wasson was the most accurate QB I've ever seen..uncanny ability with touch, leading the guys just right and throwing to a spot before the break...

Fair enough my man - that day at WISD was somewhat windy - he missed a few but hit on plenty of passes. We put much more pressure on him than we did Daniel or Greg. To me, though, he was actually a bit more dangerous runner than Daniel. I see Riley being more like Wasson - certainly by his senior year, maybe next year.

drgnbkr

01-24-2006, 06:43 PM

Fair enough my man - that day at WISD was somewhat windy - he missed a few but hit on plenty of passes. We put much more pressure on him than we did Daniel or Greg. To me, though, he was actually a bit more dangerous runner than Daniel. I see Riley being more like Wasson - certainly by his senior year, maybe next year.

I agree, Wasson was a running back the year before..Daniel was a wide out...Riley is a lot like Wasson..size, touch, smart, coaches son...tough. I saw that Dez Bryant is a fan of Tech? Man you guys are gonna be tough next year!

Favpack

01-24-2006, 06:56 PM

I agree, Wasson was a running back the year before..Daniel was a wide out...Riley is a lot like Wasson..size, touch, smart, coaches son...tough. I saw that Dez Bryant is a fan of Tech? Man you guys are gonna be tough next year!

I'm hoping so. If Dez takes care of the classroom - he will pretty much go where he wants - and Tech is probably a good fit.

farmerfan

01-25-2006, 11:48 PM

It is amazing how the media votes on players for this award. In 1995 FM Marcus QB was not the offensive player of the year, that honor went to Lake Highlands QB Marcus Stiggers. After the Marcus D shut his butt down, Sanders torched Lake Highlands for 350 yards passnig and 3-4 touchdowns. Sanders threw for 4300 yards that year, but Texas or its writers were not used to a throwing QB and did not award him the poy. Now it is totally opposite, it would be very difficult for a RB to win this award.