Brokeback Mountain

[Favpack]

What do ya'll think? Thumbs up or down? It finally made it here to our new theatre - will probably draw a few minor protests - or letters to the editor anyway.

I loved Lonesome Dove - written by Larry McMurtry (Texas boy) who wrote the screenplay, but... I don't know.... two gay cowboys - so much great joke material there.

[dada]

What do ya'll think? Thumbs up or down? It finally made it here to our new theatre - will probably draw a few minor protests - or letters to the editor anyway.

I loved Lonesome Dove - written by Larry McMurtry (Texas boy) who wrote the screenplay, but... I don't know.... two gay cowboys - so much great joke material there.
So....ummmm...you and the "fellas" went to see it?:D

[ktCarl]

Why does Hollywood persist in ramming crap down America's throat? You couldn't pay me enough $$ to go see that flick. If I suggested to my wife to go see that film she would have the divorce papers ready the next day. What's so interesting about two faggots on the range?

[Favpack]

I have not seen the film and won't at a theatre. Might rent it on dvd - but doubtful. The reality is - Ang Lee is a great director, McMurty is a classic writer - but you do wonder why this HAD to be the story-line. Would Lonesome Dove had been a classic if Gus was the first 19th century gay Texas Ranger? Doubtful.

KtCarl - let's dont' get the thread locked - don't know if your descriptive term is a great idea:) .

[dada]

I have not seen the film and won't at a theatre. Might rent it on dvd - but doubtful. The reality is - Ang Lee is a great director, McMurty is a classic writer - but you do wonder why this HAD to be the story-line. Would Lonesome Dove had been a classic if Gus was the first 19th century gay Texas Ranger? Doubtful.

KtCarl - let's dont' get the thread locked - don't know if your descriptive term is a great idea:) .
LOL...hey....he called a spade a spade.

If it walks like a duck......quacks like a duck.....why not call it a duck?:D

[ktCarl]

I have not seen the film and won't at a theatre. Might rent it on dvd - but doubtful. The reality is - Ang Lee is a great director, McMurty is a classic writer - but you do wonder why this HAD to be the story-line. Would Lonesome Dove had been a classic if Gus was the first 19th century gay Texas Ranger? Doubtful.

KtCarl - let's dont' get the thread locked - don't know if your descriptive term is a great idea:) .

You're right. My apologies to you and this board. I meant homosexuals. That's what they are and don't give me the sugar coated 'gay' word description. That's more distasteful.
There are talented people in Hollywood that can deliver the goods as far as making films including the ones responsible for Brokeback Mountain but why they persist, in the name of 'art', in ramming decadent, immoral subjects down America's throats is alarming. They can pat themselves on the back and win awards plus try to appear as being intellectual and 'sensitive' but look at the box office results. That's where the true votes on the movie subject is.

Thank you, dada4w.

[Favpack]

Agree totally Carl - I'm already gringing at the acceptance speeches you'll see from these folks come Oscar time.

[LUFPAN]

I wonder what those boys were doing when they broke their backs anyway? I think they should have named this Blazing Saddles.

[OILERDT54]

why in the world did they make a movie about gay cowboys? what has this world come too? its like they disgraced the great john wayne.

[dragons08]

What do ya'll think? Thumbs up or down? It finally made it here to our new theatre - will probably draw a few minor protests - or letters to the editor anyway.

I loved Lonesome Dove - written by Larry McMurtry (Texas boy) who wrote the screenplay, but... I don't know.... two gay cowboys - so much great joke material there.
something interesting about lonesome dove...that church is located out here in southlake, they have a neighborhood named after it, with all the street names coming from names in the book and what not

[stevefoxsc]

honestly i do believe there are some people on this board who want to see but dont wana go to the theature and have some one just shout OMG YOUR SO FREAKIN HOMOSEXUAL like jay leno said on his show a few night's ago im not gay but i am curious to see the movie, but ill say one thing californian's sure had fun calling me a broke back texan for some odd reasson jan 4th :confused:

[LUFPAN]

honestly i do believe there are some people on this board who want to see but dont wana go to the theature and have some one just shout OMG YOUR SO FREAKIN HOMOSEXUAL like jay leno said on his show a few night's ago im not gay but i am curious to see the movie, but ill say one thing californian's sure had fun calling me a broke back texan for some odd reasson jan 4th :confused:

I loved Jay Leno's quote about Brokeback and John Wayne. He said, "Can you imagine John Wayne saying to another cowboy, I wish I knew how to quit you....Pilgrim."

[CKE]

ok so what the hell is the movie about i have never even heard of it

[dada]

ok so what the hell is the movie about i have never even heard of it
You'd love it.....just go see it!:D

[stevefoxsc]

ill watch it when it's on hbo :p

[Favpack]

ok so what the hell is the movie about i have never even heard of it

Two hard-tumble cowboys (no, not Troy and Emmitt - real cowboys) fall head over heels in love with one another and enter a 20 year relationship. Rated R for intense man-love scenes. Yipppee - saddle up and let's ride - yahoooo!!

[Favpack]

I loved Jay Leno's quote about Brokeback and John Wayne. He said, "Can you imagine John Wayne saying to another cowboy, I wish I knew how to quit you....Pilgrim."

Too funny - good stuff.

[dada]

Cowboy #1: Howdy Partner
Cowboy #2: (making googly eyes) Heeeeeyyyyyy
Cowboy #1: Nice pants
Cowboy #2: they look even better off
Cowboy #1: Well it IS a little humid out here..think I'll drop my britches
Cowboy #2: yippie cai yaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyy!!!
Cowboy #1: Gonna make you my lil mechanical bull
Cowboy #2: Well git on and hold on for the ride of your life....

[AllenEagle06]

Gay cowboys. It's almost an oxymoron. Nearly all redneck related people hate homosexuals. How could Hollywood possibly think that they could make this movie and not start a controversy?

[CKE]

lmao omg i cant stop laughing it hurts it hurts. that is so gay . o and thats messed up dada trying to get me to go see a gay flick shame on you

[Miss Kitty]

You guys are killing me. LOL

There is no way I will watch this movie. Sorry, but they crossed the line with this one. I thought the Ambiguously Gay Duo on SNL was bad. Sorry fairy boys, but those Wrangler butts are for us gals.

[dada]

lmao omg i cant stop laughing it hurts it hurts. that is so gay . o and thats messed up dada trying to get me to go see a gay flick shame on you
LOL...live and learn. That would have suprised you....just like I got that little suprise watching "The Crying Game"

[dada]

You guys are killing me. LOL

There is no way I will watch this movie. Sorry, but they crossed the line with this one. I thought the Ambiguously Gay Duo on SNL was bad. Sorry fairy boys, but those Wrangler butts are for us gals.
The Ambiguously Gay Duo....thanks for reminding me about that......LOL the car......the one guy flying and the other guy holding on to his waist....lol....that was funny.

[KT2000]

Your screenplay gives "True Grit" a whole new meaning, dada. Thanks for ruining my appetite for the day. :D

[dada]

http://www.noshedidnt.com/site/links/duo/

[dada]

Your screenplay gives "True Grit" a whole new meaning, dada. Thanks for ruining my appetite for the day. :D
LOL....even though I havent and will not see it...I have an idea of thats what the movie is about.

[dragonfootballfan]

Is that a six shooter in your pants or are you just happy to see me?

My goodness that is on giant Lasso. I want to see how you use it.

[dada]

Is that a six shooter in your pants or are you just happy to see me?

My goodness that is on giant Lasso. I want to see how you use it.

Now THAT....really chapped my hide!

[Miss Kitty]

So is that why cowboys wore bolo ties? So they could be turned around and used like reins? :D

[LUFPAN]

Seeing a cowgirl in a set of hot-pink chaps aint bad, but that's different. Wonder if they have a rhine-stone saddle?

[Sacred Ground]

Four men went golfing one day. Three of them headed to the first tee and
the fourth went to the clubhouse to pay his fees. The three men started talking and bragging about their sons.

The first man told the others, "My son is a home builder and he is so successful that he gave his friend a new home for free."

The second man said, "My son was a car salesman, and now he owns his own dealership. He's so successful that he gave his friend a new Mercedes."

The third man, not wanting to be outdone, said, "My son is a stockbroker,
and he's doing so well that he gave his friend an entire portfolio."

The fourth man joined the others on the first tee, and the first man said, "We were just talking about our sons. How is yours doing?"

The fourth man replied, "Well, my son is gay and is a dancer in a gay bar."
The other three men grew silent as he continued, "I'm not really thrilled about it, but he must be doing pretty well. His last three boyfriends gave him a house, a brand new Mercedes, and a stock portfolio."

[slorch]

other suggested names:

Limpwrist Mountain

Bareback Mountain

The Man From Blowy River

The Outed Josey Wales

There's Something About Gary

Big Valley( no change needed)

Bunsmoke

Bunanza

[cougardude]

What do ya'll think? Thumbs up or down? It finally made it here to our new theatre - will probably draw a few minor protests - or letters to the editor anyway.

I loved Lonesome Dove - written by Larry McMurtry (Texas boy) who wrote the screenplay, but... I don't know.... two gay cowboys - so much great joke material there.

It made it to a theater in Abilene and as far as I know - no protests, which is a little surprising given that Abilene is home to three Christian colleges and "a church on every corner". The movie took home four Golden Globe Awards Monday night and is said to be a front runner for Oscar gold in March. I have seen the movie and I would invite those who have made derogatory remarks without even having seen it to see it and then make a judgement. The sex is not as prevalent as people have been saying and is NOT the basis of the film. Larry McMurtry and Dianna Osanna's screenplay based on Annie Proulx's short story brings a very poignant story of two "cowboys" in Wyoming meeting and forging a friendship and a love that they had to hide for fear of ridicule and harm. One of them even meets a horrible fate because of his difference.:confused:

Another poster in this thread was complaining about the "crap" that Hollywood is forcing down our throats. Hollywood is NOT forcing anyone to see anything they don't want to see. Just because you may not want to see something doesn't mean there aren't other people who may want to.

See this movie, don't see this movie. It's your right either way.

[wide-e-wide]

I saw the commercial for this movie tonight...
And I thought to myself..how absolutely hilarious it
would be if.....................

My Dad ...who is quite possibly the biggest western movie lover of all time...
Somehow did not know the little secret about this movie...and just thought it was a normal western flick.

He sits down....grabs a handful of popcorn...starts to really get into the movie...and then the two dudes kiss each other......

bwwwwwwwwwwwwahahahahahahahaha

I can actually hear him saying very loudly...

"What in the F$#@ is this?" and then walking out.

[dragonfootballfan]

I just saw the commercial too, and have one question.

Why was that one cowboy still a cowboy even after he won the national science fair with his rockets?

[stevefoxsc]

first time i herd of this movie was on a parody on snl pretty funny one if any one saw it,

[GoOwls]

I wonder if the fact it is named "Brokeback" mountain has any hidden meanings..........I think maybe .......yes.:D

[lonny23]

Why does Hollywood persist in ramming crap down America's throat? You couldn't pay me enough $$ to go see that flick. If I suggested to my wife to go see that film she would have the divorce papers ready the next day. What's so interesting about two faggots on the range?
I have no interest in seeing 2 gay cowboys on screen.

[lonny23]

You guys are killing me. LOL

There is no way I will watch this movie. Sorry, but they crossed the line with this one. I thought the Ambiguously Gay Duo on SNL was bad. Sorry fairy boys, but those Wrangler butts are for us gals.
Thank you. Women should be looking at guys butts, not guys.

In fairness, I must say that the truth about old-time Cowboys would shock us if the truth were told. Like the Middle East or any other place where men have to spend a lot of time with each other, I'm sure a few guys swung the wrong way in the old days out on the open range. They were all for women when they got into town, though. In Afghanistan, they always have a young guy on work crews who gets violated by the older men.

Those Navy people get a little weird, too. I always thought the women in the Navy swung both ways just from living next to them in Korea, but I heard a great story tonight in the chow hall. Lumbre, a Tejano band from Central Texas (Killeen, Temple, and Waco), has been here on base for about a week now. I was eating with the lead singer and a few other guys from the band tonight and they do a lot of tours in this part of the world and in Iraq for the troops (That defeats the idea in another thread that minorities aren't loyal to the U.S.) and they told me a great story. Some Navy girl temporarily on base came up to them last night and said she wanted to direct porn films, but not act in them. She told the lead singer she wanted to film him making out with another guy from the band and he jokingly told her to get another girl and she could make a movie tonight. This girl told him she has a lot of home movies of people getting it on when they're at sea!:D He told me he occasionally meets groupie-type people, but she takes the cake for what anybody has said so far. He said they don't really have time for that type of stuff most of the time. They're a cool band that plays Tejano music and mixes in Country and Oldies.

[Favpack]

It's kind of funny really - Hollywood is in the dumps - it's been a disastrous year for films - and they continue to "not get it".

People don't want to see 2 gay cowboys! The film has been a box office bust, yet it will garner a few awards. BUT - the shareholders of MGM or Sony or Disney or whomever don't give a crap about Hollywood making another liberal jab at America - they won't box office bucks - give them profits, not political statements.

What's the difference in writing, directing and overall budget between Brokeback and Titanic? Nothing, other than the storyline. Titanic made like $5BILLION dollars and Brokeback will lose money when it's all over and done with.

[lonny23]

other suggested names:

Limpwrist Mountain

Bareback Mountain

The Man From Blowy River

The Outed Josey Wales

There's Something About Gary

Big Valley( no change needed)

Bunsmoke

BunanzaI see you've put some thought into that list!:p

[lonny23]

I saw the commercial for this movie tonight...
And I thought to myself..how absolutely hilarious it
would be if.....................

My Dad ...who is quite possibly the biggest western movie lover of all time...
Somehow did not know the little secret about this movie...and just thought it was a normal western flick.

He sits down....grabs a handful of popcorn...starts to really get into the movie...and then the two dudes kiss each other......

bwwwwwwwwwwwwahahahahahahahaha

I can actually hear him saying very loudly...

"What in the F$#@ is this?" and then walking out.I think there are a few people out there who would do that.

[Miss Kitty]

I saw the commercial for this movie tonight...
And I thought to myself..how absolutely hilarious it
would be if.....................

My Dad ...who is quite possibly the biggest western movie lover of all time...
Somehow did not know the little secret about this movie...and just thought it was a normal western flick.

He sits down....grabs a handful of popcorn...starts to really get into the movie...and then the two dudes kiss each other......

bwwwwwwwwwwwwahahahahahahahaha

I can actually hear him saying very loudly...

"What in the F$#@ is this?" and then walking out.


I thought the exact same thing about my Dad. I actually thought about calling and warning him. But I too have a confession....
I was very close to doing the same thing. I was so excited that a new western was coming out. Then driving to work one day I heard some comments made about the movie and some very pissed off, "light in the loafers", listners were calling the D.J.s and complaining about the comments. So that tweaked my interest. I then looked it up on the internet and when I started reading the reviews and such, I got sick. How in the hell can they call this a Romantic Western. So that unsuspecting person, sitting in the theater, screaming at the screen, could have very easily been me.

[Favpack]

I thought the exact same thing about my Dad. I actually thought about calling and warning him. But I too have a confession....
I was very close to doing the same thing. I was so excited that a new western was coming out. Then driving to work one day I heard some comments made about the movie and some very pissed off, "light in the loafers", listners were calling the D.J.s and complaining about the comments. So that tweaked my interest. I then looked it up on the internet and when I started reading the reviews and such, I got sick. How in the hell can they call this a Romantic Western. So that unsuspecting person, sitting in the theater, screaming at the screen, could have very easily been me.

Is that a reasonable reason for demanding a refund?:confused:

The movie was the lead news story here in L-town. The anchor said turnout was "very light" for the movie. Then they ran a piece on tolerance - pretty reasonable IMO.

[BigArab]

Hollywood truly was in the dumps this past year. Think really long and hard about what movies will be nominated for Best Picture. Every year there are at least 6 or 7 that you think could get nominated. I can only think of one: Capote. Other than that, I have no idea what else.

Hollywood is wondering why interest and ticket sales have dropped. It's because you're feeding us crap.

[dragonfootballfan]

Hollywood truly was in the dumps this past year. Think really long and hard about what movies will be nominated for Best Picture. Every year there are at least 6 or 7 that you think could get nominated. I can only think of one: Capote. Other than that, I have no idea what else.

Hollywood is wondering why interest and ticket sales have dropped. It's because you're feeding us crap.
the best movie that I have seen this year was The Producers. I usually do not know any of the movies that are nominated for the awards though.

[BigArab]

the best movie that I have seen this year was The Producers. I usually do not know any of the movies that are nominated for the awards though.

That was a good one. I didn't think I was going to laugh so hard.

[dragonfootballfan]

That was a good one. I didn't think I was going to laugh so hard.
I loved the original and just hoped that they would not ruin what Zero Mastel and Gene Wilder did, but they did one hell of a job on this movie

[LUFPAN]

Since the two star-crossed (gender crossed?) lovers in this story are shown herding sheep shouldn't we refer to them as sheep-herders instead of cowboys? This would protect the good cowboy name and better the name of the sheep-herders who up to this point have only had intimate relationships with the sheep.

[Miss Kitty]

You have such a logical way of looking at things. I love it!

You are right, "Save a sheep, Ride a Cowboy" just doesn't work. LMAO

[LUFPAN]

"Save a sheep, ride a cowboy" That's one music video that I don't want to watch.

I'm just attempting to keep cowboys straight. I've never seen a pink lasso.

[Miss Kitty]

Actually I have seen a pink lasso. I knew a guy who did rope tricks while sitting on a bull. He did it all under black light so he had painted is ropes flourescent colors so the light would pick it up. It was pretty cool. That is small town rodeo entertainment for ya. LOL He was good though.

[LUFPAN]

Actually I have seen a pink lasso. I knew a guy who did rope tricks while sitting on a bull. He did it all under black light so he had painted is ropes flourescent colors so the light would pick it up. It was pretty cool. That is small town rodeo entertainment for ya. LOL He was good though.

I hope he wasn't wearing pink chaps and boots.

[Miss Kitty]

Nope, white. Of course, this was in the 70's when every one looked like a Village People reject..LOL

[LUFPAN]

Nope, white. Of course, this was in the 70's when every one looked like a Village People reject..LOL

White boots and a pink lasso.....sounds like he might have had a little sugar in the tank.

[dada]

White boots and a pink lasso.....sounds like he might have had a little sugar in the tank.
There is only two types of men who can wear pink, a real manly, studly dude that no one would EVER question his masculinity......and a gay dude.

[CKE]

There is only two types of men who can wear pink, a real manly, studly dude that no one would EVER question his masculinity......and a gay dude.


man im still down that you tried to trick me into seeing a gay flick dada. and your right you can not wear pink unless people are certin that you are not gay...............or you just like the .............. well you know

[Miss Kitty]

he was NOT gay. ;)

[dada]

man im still down that you tried to trick me into seeing a gay flick dada. and your right you can not wear pink unless people are certin that you are not gay...............or you just like the .............. well you know
LOL....sorry man...I just couldnt belive that you had no idea about the movie at all...

[dada]

he was NOT gay. ;)
Suuuurrree....next you are gonna tell me male strippers arent gay either....if ANY of my homeboys in their spare time wore Knee-high boots, did the splits(either traditional or chinese) and swung on a pole......he would not be my homeboy anymore.

[CKE]

ha the funny thing is is that my GFs mom asked me if i was going to go see it a day after we were talking about it and i was like hell no what are you trying to say lady

[LUFPAN]

he was NOT gay. ;)

Seems like there may be a story behind the wink but I'm guessing it can't be told here.;)

[Miss Kitty]

Hee hee hee...I wished. LOL He was older than me. A whole 4 years. And I was in Jr. High at the time. So nothing to tell. All we ever did was dance. Until my older brother caught wind of that and that stopped really fast.

But he lives in Hill County with his wife and I think has grandkids now.

[CyFallsMom]

My mother in law up in NYC is big into artsy things and plays and such (grew up in the Bronx with Ann Italiana AKA Anne Bancroft) and she asked my sister in law to take her to see it. My brother in law (the Joey Soprano of the family) wouldn't go near it. SO, she takes her to the movie and my mother in law immediately calls my husband and tells him NOT to go see it and NOT to let the kids see it. She is usually pretty open minded so that sort of surprised me. She said it was not what she expected and didn't like it. I, personally, have no ambitions to see it. I love Heath Ledger (he is H-O-T) and just don't want to see him in that sort of movie. Just my opinion. Bring me John Wayne ANY day. My dad is probably rolling in the grave over that one!

[DragonWatcher]

Some of your responses in here have been pretty funny, especially the ones about hollywood shoving this crap down our throats. Hollywood is a buisness, and you don't have to go see the movie, hell I've only seen like three preview trailers for it on T.V.

Secondly this movie has actually been pretty successful thus far in the box office earning 43 Million at the domestic box office. That number is sure to increase leading up to the oscars with how much buzz this movie has. This controrversy surrounding the film only boosts its Box earning's.

Now I personally want to see the movie, but the last time i saw two guys kissed it caused me to spontaneously throw up, so me thinks I might have to close my eyes or a theatre manager might be angry with me.

Just think, with how much some of you oppose this film for the simple basis of it, the same could be said for the 60's version of look who's coming to dinner, starring Sidney Poiter. Yet another movie that created controversy. The real question will be how is the movie viewed in another 40 years.

[Favpack]

Good points DW - but I don't know about the comparison of this one and Guess Who's Coming to Dinner. I'm sure this film will turn a profit once it goes overseas and gets dvd rentals/sales.

Who knows -- maybe it starts a TV series:rolleyes:

Gunsmoke
Bonanza
Brokeback Mountain

[slorch]

you mean Bunsmoke...legend of the Pink Lasso

[LUFPAN]

The real question will be how is the movie viewed in another 40 years.

I hope 40yrs from now people are still mad and the thought of two sheep-herders making out is still enough to make people puke.

[lonny23]

You have such a logical way of looking at things. I love it!

You are right, "Save a sheep, Ride a Cowboy" just doesn't work. LMAO
The sheep crowd seems to prefer the sheep over Cowboys, anyway. They're not as emotional!:D

[lonny23]

Suuuurrree....next you are gonna tell me male strippers arent gay either....if ANY of my homeboys in their spare time wore Knee-high boots, did the splits(either traditional or chinese) and swung on a pole......he would not be my homeboy anymore.
OK, I'm getting off the train here. You're telling me that you think everybody who works in a club and makes women go crazy over him is gay. I can't agree with that. There are more than a few good-looking guys who want to make a buck and get the women. I must agree that a few of the guys probably see the other guys and swing both ways, but I think the blanket statement is false. Don't count me as an expert because you'll never see me in one of those places and I don't personally know people who do that for a living.

[lonny23]

Hee hee hee...I wished. LOL He was older than me. A whole 4 years. And I was in Jr. High at the time. So nothing to tell. All we ever did was dance. Until my older brother caught wind of that and that stopped really fast.

But he lives in Hill County with his wife and I think has grandkids now.
That means you aren't from Anson originally, because we all know there's no dancin' in Anson!:D

[lonny23]

Some of your responses in here have been pretty funny, especially the ones about hollywood shoving this crap down our throats. Hollywood is a buisness, and you don't have to go see the movie, hell I've only seen like three preview trailers for it on T.V.

Secondly this movie has actually been pretty successful thus far in the box office earning 43 Million at the domestic box office. That number is sure to increase leading up to the oscars with how much buzz this movie has. This controrversy surrounding the film only boosts its Box earning's.

Now I personally want to see the movie, but the last time i saw two guys kissed it caused me to spontaneously throw up, so me thinks I might have to close my eyes or a theatre manager might be angry with me.

Just think, with how much some of you oppose this film for the simple basis of it, the same could be said for the 60's version of look who's coming to dinner, starring Sidney Poiter. Yet another movie that created controversy. The real question will be how is the movie viewed in another 40 years.
In 40 years, I still won't like this movie. I played with a Tupperwear ball as a kid that had a triangle, circle, square, rectangle, star, etc. I learned early on that a piece fit in only one hole and puzzles are the same way. I also learned that you have entrances and exits all over the world. Now that you have an image of what I'm talking about, let's just say that the exit should never be the entrance. Some people like to change the rules and I don't know why. It's quite painful when the exit all of a sudden turns into an entrance. The closest I ever came to experiencing that was my broom story in 1991 in a bulding about 2/10 of a mile from where I'm sitting right now. I used to be stationed with a guy in the Air Force who had a catchphrase of, "That's as wrong as 2 boys f.......!"

[LoneRocket]

Is it me or even the title is suspect broke-back mount-ian.

[cougardude]

Is it me or even the title is suspect broke-back mount-ian.

Maybe it's you if you took the time to break it down like that! ;)

[dada]

OK, I'm getting off the train here. You're telling me that you think everybody who works in a club and makes women go crazy over him is gay. I can't agree with that. There are more than a few good-looking guys who want to make a buck and get the women. I must agree that a few of the guys probably see the other guys and swing both ways, but I think the blanket statement is false. Don't count me as an expert because you'll never see me in one of those places and I don't personally know people who do that for a living.
You took offense to that Lonny.....what were you REALLY doing on Krystagatian??? Hmmmmm makes me wonder.....were you on a world tour?.....Lonny is a male dancer!!!!!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

[lonny23]

You took offense to that Lonny.....what were you REALLY doing on Krystagatian??? Hmmmmm makes me wonder.....were you on a world tour?.....Lonny is a male dancer!!!!!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
I'm not a male dancer and I didn't take offense to it. I was just disagreeing with your statement.

[Favpack]

Well - not that it's a surprise-- the Oscar nominations are out - and the Academy loves BBMountain - 8 nominations total. The lovefest will be just so hip if and when they win the big ones - as projected.

Not to be an alarmist, but will this start the trend for other similar movies, maybe revolving around:

Nascar
NFL
NHL
etc. etc.

[Miss Kitty]

Ahhhhhhhhh....His and His racing jackets.....NOOOOOOOOOOO :D

[LUFPAN]

Well - not that it's a surprise-- the Oscar nominations are out - and the Academy loves BBMountain - 8 nominations total. The lovefest will be just so hip if and when they win the big ones - as projected.

Not to be an alarmist, but will this start the trend for other similar movies, maybe revolving around:

Nascar
NFL
NHL
etc. etc.

If they show anything from the NFL I really don't want to see any shower scenes.

[mad_fan]

You have such a logical way of looking at things. I love it!

You are right, "Save a sheep, Ride a Cowboy" just doesn't work. LMAO


Or in the case of this movie, 'Save a Cowboy, Ride a Sheep'.

[CKE]

so yeah brokeback mountain is the only movie that my mom wont let me see now and im 18 years old. that is how gay this movie is

[Miss Kitty]

Good for your mom. And good for you for respecting her wishes. :)

[RedRage00]

I hope 40yrs from now people are still mad and the thought of two sheep-herders making out is still enough to make people puke.

I doubt that. Times are a changin'

[RedRage00]

I have never seen so many gay stereotypes before in my life.

I have a few MANLY BIG MUSCULAR gay friends that I doubt any of you would call a "faggot" to their face. lol

RR

[CKE]

I have never seen so many gay stereotypes before in my life.

I have a few MANLY BIG MUSCULAR gay friends that I doubt any of you would call a "faggot" to their face. lol

RR

this is true i have gay friends to but someone who saw it told me it was a little more "graphic" for someone with a straight mind. but you are right i should take back the gay comments

[RedRage00]

this is true i have gay friends to but someone who saw it told me it was a little more "graphic" for someone with a straight mind. but you are right i should take back the gay comments

I have not seen it so I can't comment on the "graphics" but I doubt they are showing anything too revealing. You never see men parts when it's a male/female sex scene so what makes people think you're going to see it now?

I plan to see it eventually. I just haven't had the time. Working full time and graduate school will do that to you :D

RR

[CKE]

I have not seen it so I can't comment on the "graphics" but I doubt they are showing anything too revealing. You never see men parts when it's a male/female sex scene so what makes people think you're going to see it now?

I plan to see it eventually. I just haven't had the time. Working full time and graduate school will do that to you :D

RR

i dont think you see it either but i think you see what they do with the man parts................... o you know

[lonny23]

Well - not that it's a surprise-- the Oscar nominations are out - and the Academy loves BBMountain - 8 nominations total. The lovefest will be just so hip if and when they win the big ones - as projected.

Not to be an alarmist, but will this start the trend for other similar movies, maybe revolving around:

Nascar
NFL
NHL
etc. etc.
What gets me is that we have some gay people in those professions. Those cats can get about any woman they want, but they want another guy?:confused: They turn down the chance to be with women that most guys dream about being with.

[Reaganrattler07]

I doubt that. Times are a changin'

I agree......times are a changin'

[DragonWatcher]

Ok so I finally saw the movie and even convinced my really conservative friend to see it with me. First off, this movie is excellent, flat out amazing at how it can evoke emotions in the viewer. It's a shame that this thing gets dubbed as "The Gay Cowboy Movie" when it is so much more than that. It gets a little graphic at parts but i just closed my eyes or glanced away and was fine, these scenes are actually quite rare throughout the entire running time of 2 hours and 15 minutes. Heath ledger had a phenominal performance in this film, definately deserving of the best actor academy award. The movie really does wrench with your emotions, it was strange but it is easy to identify with all of the characters,and as much as people want to say the movie is solely about being gay, the movie's true message is about change and our own inability to reach out and grab what we want for our life. Definately the best film I saw this year, even moreso than Crash. I would go as far to say that this movie ranks up there with films such as Saving Private Ryan and Schendler's List. I actually shed a few tears at the ending, a feat only the movie Simon Birch has been able to do.

What happens to Jake Gyllenhaal's character at the end is absolutely horrible, something that i felt sick to my stomach at seeing, and I have to say, it's not something that I would have put past our "great" state at that time, which ironicly would have been in the late 70's early 80's. This film truly does reveal a lot of the attitudes and stereotype's of our society that exist to this day.

Now to a few of the poster's in this thread, saying that youth shouldn't be allowed to see this movie solely because of its content,and for those who say "crap" like this doesn't belong in theatres and is being shoved down our throat I have one question for you. You don't want to see this, or let others see this movie, because its content is wrong and sinful, yet i would be willing to bet that you wouldn't boycott a movie or forbid others if it portrayed premarital sex, or say even cursing. Why is it that the sin of being gay is so wrong to you that it transcends other sins? In church I've been led to beleive that all sins are equal, even the small sins. Just a little fun fact for y'all, Homosexuality is specificly mentioned 14 different times throughout the bible, while greed is mentioned nearly 300.

[lonny23]

Ok so I finally saw the movie and even convinced my really conservative friend to see it with me. First off, this movie is excellent, flat out amazing at how it can evoke emotions in the viewer. It's a shame that this thing gets dubbed as "The Gay Cowboy Movie" when it is so much more than that. It gets a little graphic at parts but i just closed my eyes or glanced away and was fine, these scenes are actually quite rare throughout the entire running time of 2 hours and 15 minutes. Heath ledger had a phenominal performance in this film, definately deserving of the best actor academy award. The movie really does wrench with your emotions, it was strange but it is easy to identify with all of the characters,and as much as people want to say the movie is solely about being gay, the movie's true message is about change and our own inability to reach out and grab what we want for our life. Definately the best film I saw this year, even moreso than Crash. I would go as far to say that this movie ranks up there with films such as Saving Private Ryan and Schendler's List. I actually shed a few tears at the ending, a feat only the movie Simon Birch has been able to do.

What happens to Jake Gyllenhaal's character at the end is absolutely horrible, something that i felt sick to my stomach at seeing, and I have to say, it's not something that I would have put past our "great" state at that time, which ironicly would have been in the late 70's early 80's. This film truly does reveal a lot of the attitudes and stereotype's of our society that exist to this day.

Now to a few of the poster's in this thread, saying that youth shouldn't be allowed to see this movie solely because of its content,and for those who say "crap" like this doesn't belong in theatres and is being shoved down our throat I have one question for you. You don't want to see this, or let others see this movie, because its content is wrong and sinful, yet i would be willing to bet that you wouldn't boycott a movie or forbid others if it portrayed premarital sex, or say even cursing. Why is it that the sin of being gay is so wrong to you that it transcends other sins? In church I've been led to beleive that all sins are equal, even the small sins. Just a little fun fact for y'all, Homosexuality is specificly mentioned 14 different times throughout the bible, while greed is mentioned nearly 300.
I have nothing to say about your first 2 paragraphs besides the fact that I hope nobody sees that movie. I agree with a lot of what you say in the 3rd paragraph. Movies about premarital sex, lying, stealing, cheating, cussing and all that stuff are just as wrong as the gay movies. People like to condone their own actions and chastise others. That's why you'll get a hypocritical reaction out of many people. Hey, I'm at fault, too. I've seen and watched stuff that I shouldn't see as a Christian.

All sins are not equal. All sin is sin and God views them as such, but sins against the body carry a heavy consequence many times and they emotionally wear on you more than other sins in many cases. Watching a dirty movie is a sin, but getting somebody pregnant by premarital sex is a far greater sin, not in the Spiritual realm with God, but in the physical sense of having to raise a kid. I also guarantee you that you feel more guilty about cheating on your husband or wife than secretly watching a porno movie. Lying is not the same as murder, either. As far as God goes, He views all of it as sin and the only sin I know of that's dirtier than other sins in His eyes is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

[LUFPAN]

Ok so I finally saw the movie and even convinced my really conservative friend to see it with me. First off, this movie is excellent, flat out amazing at how it can evoke emotions in the viewer. It's a shame that this thing gets dubbed as "The Gay Cowboy Movie" when it is so much more than that. It gets a little graphic at parts but i just closed my eyes or glanced away and was fine, these scenes are actually quite rare throughout the entire running time of 2 hours and 15 minutes. Heath ledger had a phenominal performance in this film, definately deserving of the best actor academy award. The movie really does wrench with your emotions, it was strange but it is easy to identify with all of the characters,and as much as people want to say the movie is solely about being gay, the movie's true message is about change and our own inability to reach out and grab what we want for our life. Definately the best film I saw this year, even moreso than Crash. I would go as far to say that this movie ranks up there with films such as Saving Private Ryan and Schendler's List. I actually shed a few tears at the ending, a feat only the movie Simon Birch has been able to do.

What happens to Jake Gyllenhaal's character at the end is absolutely horrible, something that i felt sick to my stomach at seeing, and I have to say, it's not something that I would have put past our "great" state at that time, which ironicly would have been in the late 70's early 80's. This film truly does reveal a lot of the attitudes and stereotype's of our society that exist to this day.

Now to a few of the poster's in this thread, saying that youth shouldn't be allowed to see this movie solely because of its content,and for those who say "crap" like this doesn't belong in theatres and is being shoved down our throat I have one question for you. You don't want to see this, or let others see this movie, because its content is wrong and sinful, yet i would be willing to bet that you wouldn't boycott a movie or forbid others if it portrayed premarital sex, or say even cursing. Why is it that the sin of being gay is so wrong to you that it transcends other sins? In church I've been led to beleive that all sins are equal, even the small sins. Just a little fun fact for y'all, Homosexuality is specificly mentioned 14 different times throughout the bible, while greed is mentioned nearly 300.

Its certainly true that all sin is equal in God's eyes except for blasphemy against the Spirit. However, homosexual sin is described as being an abomination unto God, literally something that makes Him sick. This "life style" is being forced upon the American conscience. Look at the movies and actors that were nominated for the Academy Awards. BBM, TransAmerica, Capote. All nominated for best picture and all gathered nominations for the actors / actresses. You can try to sound elegant and educated by speaking in favor of acceptance of life styles but the truth is this. It does not matter how much our society changes, it does not matter how much our perceptions change, our own personal opinions and views do not matter. We are all measured by God's Word and it does not change. The Bible says that its a sin that makes God sick. That's enough for me to avoid it and to encourage others to avoid it.

[Miss Kitty]

There is more to this movie than being a "Gay Movie". You are correct about that. It also promotes the acceptance of having an extra-marital affair which I find as wrong as the other. There are allot of different ways to promote the message of change and/or reaching out and grabbing what you want. All of this is my opinion of course. But where this mom is concerned, me and mine will NOT be giving our money to see this movie. And I will be making it very clear to my girls exactly why we aren't.

I am not without sin and I will not be condeming or judging those who choose to see it. That is not my place. But this movie is full of situations that I do not think should be classified as entertainment and especially be rewarded for.

[pack0808]

I am going to direct a movie about some gay bull riders so i can get a few oscars. Plus, gay and bull riders are a perfect match. :eek:

[Miss Kitty]

I am going to direct a movie about some gay bull riders so i can get a few oscars. Plus, gay and bull riders are a perfect match. :eek:

You need to stop! LMAO :D

[RedRage00]

Ok so I finally saw the movie and even convinced my really conservative friend to see it with me. First off, this movie is excellent, flat out amazing at how it can evoke emotions in the viewer. It's a shame that this thing gets dubbed as "The Gay Cowboy Movie" when it is so much more than that. It gets a little graphic at parts but i just closed my eyes or glanced away and was fine, these scenes are actually quite rare throughout the entire running time of 2 hours and 15 minutes. Heath ledger had a phenominal performance in this film, definately deserving of the best actor academy award. The movie really does wrench with your emotions, it was strange but it is easy to identify with all of the characters,and as much as people want to say the movie is solely about being gay, the movie's true message is about change and our own inability to reach out and grab what we want for our life. Definately the best film I saw this year, even moreso than Crash. I would go as far to say that this movie ranks up there with films such as Saving Private Ryan and Schendler's List. I actually shed a few tears at the ending, a feat only the movie Simon Birch has been able to do.

What happens to Jake Gyllenhaal's character at the end is absolutely horrible, something that i felt sick to my stomach at seeing, and I have to say, it's not something that I would have put past our "great" state at that time, which ironicly would have been in the late 70's early 80's. This film truly does reveal a lot of the attitudes and stereotype's of our society that exist to this day.

Now to a few of the poster's in this thread, saying that youth shouldn't be allowed to see this movie solely because of its content,and for those who say "crap" like this doesn't belong in theatres and is being shoved down our throat I have one question for you. You don't want to see this, or let others see this movie, because its content is wrong and sinful, yet i would be willing to bet that you wouldn't boycott a movie or forbid others if it portrayed premarital sex, or say even cursing. Why is it that the sin of being gay is so wrong to you that it transcends other sins? In church I've been led to beleive that all sins are equal, even the small sins. Just a little fun fact for y'all, Homosexuality is specificly mentioned 14 different times throughout the bible, while greed is mentioned nearly 300.


Wow, I have not seen the movie but that is exactly the way I hear it being described by others who have seen it. I'll have to see it soon.

[RedRage00]

Now to a few of the poster's in this thread, saying that youth shouldn't be allowed to see this movie solely because of its content,and for those who say "crap" like this doesn't belong in theatres and is being shoved down our throat I have one question for you. You don't want to see this, or let others see this movie, because its content is wrong and sinful, yet i would be willing to bet that you wouldn't boycott a movie or forbid others if it portrayed premarital sex, or say even cursing. Why is it that the sin of being gay is so wrong to you that it transcends other sins? In church I've been led to beleive that all sins are equal, even the small sins. Just a little fun fact for y'all, Homosexuality is specificly mentioned 14 different times throughout the bible, while greed is mentioned nearly 300.

AMEN!!

Some of these people in here act like they follow the Bible 100%. I forget that some of you are so perfect! :eek:

No one will know until it's your time to meet HIM yourself.

[Miss Kitty]

AMEN!!

Some of these people in here act like they follow the Bible 100%. I forget that some of you are so perfect! :eek:

No one will know until it's your time to meet HIM yourself.


I don't think anyone on here is saying they are perfect. But we all have things that we don't agree with. And obviously for allot on this board, this movie is something they do not wish to see. I have not seen any condemnation of those who do see it or wish to see it. So why call out those who don't?

[LUFPAN]

AMEN!!

Some of these people in here act like they follow the Bible 100%. I forget that some of you are so perfect! :eek:

No one will know until it's your time to meet HIM yourself.

So now anyone who has a different opinion than you on this movie is calling themselves perfect? Hum....haven't seen that in any of the posts. And you can not be more wrong on your last statement. I absolutely know my place in eternity. I'm not perfect by any stretch of the imagination. But I know that Heaven is my final destination......and that's a fact.

[RedRage00]

So now anyone who has a different opinion than you on this movie is calling themselves perfect? Hum....haven't seen that in any of the posts. And you can not be more wrong on your last statement. I absolutely know my place in eternity. I'm not perfect by any stretch of the imagination. But I know that Heaven is my final destination......and that's a fact.

No one is perfect. I agree with that.

Opinions are gonna clash. And everyone here is dead set on their beliefs (and there is nothing wrong with that).

But homosexuals are here in this world. I suggest you get used to it.

I am done with this topic. It'll just go back and forth. Nothing will change.

Good day sir! lol

RR

[LUFPAN]

No one is perfect. I agree with that.

Opinions are gonna clash. And everyone here is dead set on their beliefs (and there is nothing wrong with that).

But homosexuals are here in this world. I suggest you get used to it.

I am done with this topic. It'll just go back and forth. Nothing will change.

Good day sir! lol

RR

Homosexuals are indeed in this world but I'll never get used to it.

Good day to you as well.

[Reaganrattler07]

Homosexuals are indeed in this world but I'll never get used to it.

Good day to you as well.

It'll be a long time before people do get used to them. But, I feel it will be inevitable.

[LUFPAN]

It'll be a long time before people do get used to them. But, I feel it will be inevitable.

An unfortunate truth...but I won't be one of them.

[lonny23]

Its certainly true that all sin is equal in God's eyes except for blasphemy against the Spirit. However, homosexual sin is described as being an abomination unto God, literally something that makes Him sick. This "life style" is being forced upon the American conscience. Look at the movies and actors that were nominated for the Academy Awards. BBM, TransAmerica, Capote. All nominated for best picture and all gathered nominations for the actors / actresses. You can try to sound elegant and educated by speaking in favor of acceptance of life styles but the truth is this. It does not matter how much our society changes, it does not matter how much our perceptions change, our own personal opinions and views do not matter. We are all measured by God's Word and it does not change. The Bible says that its a sin that makes God sick. That's enough for me to avoid it and to encourage others to avoid it.
You're right, it's an abomination because it goes against God's basic plan for us to be fruitful, multiply, and having cohesive Christian families. It's a lifestyle that's all about self-indulgence. Now saying that, it's still our responsibility to maintain a balance of showing love toward those with that lifestyle. We can't condone it as being right, but we can't show anger in telling them how wrong they are either. Balance can be achieved to get the proper message across with anger. Too often, we hate the sin and the sinner.

We try to change the rules, but you're right when you say the Bible doesn't change.

[lonny23]

AMEN!!

Some of these people in here act like they follow the Bible 100%. I forget that some of you are so perfect! :eek:

No one will know until it's your time to meet HIM yourself.
Nobody said we're perfect. I've joked around about stuff I shouldn't joke around about and done things I shouldn't do. We can call right, right and wrong, wrong.

As far as meeting our maker, you can be assured you're going to heaven if you lead a lifestyle of obedience pleasing to God. Obviously, some people won't get in who think they will and some will get in when they aren't sure, but that's not a good way to go.

[DragonWatcher]

I never meant to say anyone isn't christian, if thats what it came of as, or toting myself as perfect. My single wish is that before one calls this movie an abomination, evil, hollywood "crap" is that said reviewer actually see the film before reviewing it so vehemately. But if you don't want to then don't, just don't talk about how good or bad it was.

I honestly can't wait till the day that society accepts homosexuals, I see it as something inevitable, once, no offense to anyone, the generation above me dies out. From my christian perspective everyone is sinful, and in my mind it is wrong to assume homosexuality is any worse than cursing, adultery, premerital sex, i.e. things all allowed under the law. From my methodist perspective, it's not what we do that's pleasing to God that gets us into heaven, but our true intent and repent accepting that christ is the only thing that can save. I think text throughout the bible definately supports Faith vs Deeds.

[lonny23]

I never meant to say anyone isn't christian, if thats what it came of as, or toting myself as perfect. My single wish is that before one calls this movie an abomination, evil, hollywood "crap" is that said reviewer actually see the film before reviewing it so vehemately. But if you don't want to then don't, just don't talk about how good or bad it was.

I honestly can't wait till the day that society accepts homosexuals, I see it as something inevitable, once, no offense to anyone, the generation above me dies out. From my christian perspective everyone is sinful, and in my mind it is wrong to assume homosexuality is any worse than cursing, adultery, premerital sex, i.e. things all allowed under the law. From my methodist perspective, it's not what we do that's pleasing to God that gets us into heaven, but our true intent and repent accepting that christ is the only thing that can save. I think text throughout the bible definately supports Faith vs Deeds.
I don't support seeing the movie to see what it's like if you know it has content that you don't approve of. Hey, I've done that stuff before and all it does is lower your morals. When you feed on garbage, you get garbage. That's why you have to feed yourself the Word of God to keep yourself pure. Hey, it's hard to live the Christain lifestyle because our natural desires want to rebel against what we're supposed to do.

It's inevitable that homosexuals live amongst us, but I disagree with accepting them in the context that most people speak of. There is a fine line between not badgering people for sin and turning a blind eye to their actions. Sodom and Gomorrah burned to the ground because of the actions of the city, but also the complete disregard to not saying anything about a wrong lifestyle.

We are saved by grace that's because of the blood of Christ. Coming under the blood is not a get out of jail free card to do what we jolly well please the rest of the time. You don't get saved by works, but you sure don't show you really love God without a lifestyle that's pleasing to Him. That's one of the areas that different religions disagree on. Some say you can't lose your salvation and some say you can. I'll just say that people should err on the side of caution and do all they can to obey the teachings of the Bible and that includes a pure life and works. At the very core, you only prove you love God by your lifestyle being separate from the world, but also sharing the Good News with others.

[Miss Kitty]

Dang I wish I could leave this alone....but I just can't. So sorry guys, but here I go.

People are people. And we are ALL God's children. And in the end of each person's life it will be between them and God what happenes. But in the mean time, they have to live here on earth, and when what they do affects me, I get concerned. You said that these sins are legal, well maybe so and maybe not. Have you actually checked the laws. They are different all over. But there are plenty of "legal" things that I choose not to do. It is all about choices. It is not about how you are born. We are all born with the ability to love it is how we choose to express that love that matters. And that is where the homosexal part comes in. IMO being gay is all about pleasures of the flesh. It is not about good fashion sense. It is about who you choose to sleep with. And honestly, I could care less what you do in your own space and with whom. Just keep it out of my space.

I really think the major problem, with me, anyway is the same as with other "groups". I don't care about people's gender, race, or sexual preference, I just don't think they should get special treatment because of them. And when they start crying discrimination because of these things, then that just makes me mad and unfortunately makes me angry at the whole group. And that is wrong on my part I know. But it happenes, and therefore it affects me and will affect my children as long as we allow it to happen. The groups bring it on themselvs because they want "special" treatment. They want to stand out and be noticed. And when they are noticed, then they want to know why you call them what they are. Just leave it all at home.

So my point....blah blah blah (LOL). We should only have to accept people as being people. Not accept them because they are homosexuals, (we really don't need to know that), or because they are a certian race or gender. Just accept them because they are people. Like Lonny said, hate the sin, not the sinner.

This country was founded and build on Christian principals. Why do we think we need to keep changing that. The more we do the more watered down we get. We all have our freedoms to choose, but why should we expect the country to cater to our choices especially if they go against the baisc principals.

[dragonfootballfan]

I was under the impression that we were in America and free to practice our own beliefs without fear of being ostrocized or persecuted. I guess I was wrong.

[Miss Kitty]

I was under the impression that we were in America and free to practice our own beliefs without fear of being ostrocized or persecuted. I guess I was wrong.


Exactly, then why persecute those for not agreeing with the lifestyle.

I think you missed the point of my post. Why should some of our choices need to be public knowledge.

[mad_fan]

I was under the impression that we were in America and free to practice our own beliefs without fear of being ostrocized or persecuted. I guess I was wrong.

You were wrong.

[dragonfootballfan]

Exactly, then why persecute those for not agreeing with the lifestyle.

I think you missed the point of my post. Why should some of our choices need to be public knowledge.
who is being persecuted here? It is certainly not the ones telling people that say they will go to hell for the choices that they make.

[DragonWatcher]

This country was founded and build on Christian principals. Why do we think we need to keep changing that. The more we do the more watered down we get. We all have our freedoms to choose, but why should we expect the country to cater to our choices especially if they go against the baisc principals.

I was under the assumption that this country was also founded on the principle of seperation of church and state, IMHO one of the greatest things about our country. While they might be your basic principles there are many others in the country that do not share your principles. You can't legislate morality, as it is different in the eye of every beholder.

[Miss Kitty]

I was under the assumption that this country was also founded on the principle of seperation of church and state, IMHO one of the greatest things about our country. While they might be your basic principles there are many others in the country that do not share your principles. You can't legislate morality, as it is different in the eye of every beholder.

This is a whole different discussion. Separating church and state is one thing. Separating God and country is another. God is not church. One church running a country is what we got away from. But if they wanted God out of the picture then it would not be throughout our govenrment docs. ie..In GOD we trust.....One nation under GOD. And therefore we can not discount the laws that GOD gave us. The rules handed to us by the different churches are often different than those that God gave us. And it is those principals I am speaking of.

It is kind of like the difference between religion and salvation...but agian that is another discussion.

[dragonfootballfan]

This country was founded and build on Christian principals. Why do we think we need to keep changing that. The more we do the more watered down we get. We all have our freedoms to choose, but why should we expect the country to cater to our choices especially if they go against the baisc principals.
You think it was founded on christian principles yet not once in the declaration of independence or the constitution does it ever mention this. Those are our country's founding documents, wouldn't it be mentioned in those documents if that were the case. The fact is the country was founded on good principles. Some of those principals are the same as christian principles, but it does not mean that the country was founded on every single christian principle.

[dragonfootballfan]

This is a whole different discussion. Separating church and state is one thing. Separating God and country is another. God is not church. One church running a country is what we got away from. But if they wanted God out of the picture then it would not be throughout our govenrment docs. ie..In GOD we trust.....One nation under GOD. And therefore we can not discount the laws that GOD gave us. The rules handed to us by the different churches are often different than those that God gave us. And it is those principals I am speaking of.

It is kind of like the difference between religion and salvation...but agian that is another discussion.
what is those referring to. God or christian?

[Miss Kitty]

what is those referring to. God or christian?

Christian = God

[DragonWatcher]

This is a whole different discussion. Separating church and state is one thing. Separating God and country is another. God is not church. One church running a country is what we got away from. But if they wanted God out of the picture then it would not be throughout our govenrment docs. ie..In GOD we trust.....One nation under GOD. And therefore we can not discount the laws that GOD gave us. The rules handed to us by the different churches are often different than those that God gave us. And it is those principals I am speaking of.

It is kind of like the difference between religion and salvation...but agian that is another discussion.


Yes we should all follow the rules god gave us and the country should follow those rules too right? Somehow I think its going to be hard to somehow follow the rules of Protestants, Catholics, Jews, Muslims, Budhists, Hindu's,Scientologists.(ok that last one was in there for a joke) But you should see the point, God is different to every person, and what god says is different to every person, and is interpreted differently by people within the same sect of religion. I'm against taking God out completly but our country can not codify laws strictly based on the fact that God said so in the bible.

[dragonfootballfan]

Christian = God
not in the post you said above.

[Miss Kitty]

not in the post you said above.


I didn't say God wasn't Christian. I said God wasn't church.

[dragonfootballfan]

I didn't say God wasn't Christian. I said God wasn't church.
So no other religion can claim God when it is written on money or spoken in the pledge of allegiance?

[Miss Kitty]

I don't care what other religions do. I have Christ in my life and it is by those laws I will try to live and raise my children. And as far as I am concerned, there is only one God and it is through Christ that I will someday be in heaven with him.

[dada]

Dang I wish I could leave this alone....but I just can't. So sorry guys, but here I go.

People are people. And we are ALL God's children. And in the end of each person's life it will be between them and God what happenes. But in the mean time, they have to live here on earth, and when what they do affects me, I get concerned. You said that these sins are legal, well maybe so and maybe not. Have you actually checked the laws. They are different all over. But there are plenty of "legal" things that I choose not to do. It is all about choices. It is not about how you are born. We are all born with the ability to love it is how we choose to express that love that matters. And that is where the homosexal part comes in. IMO being gay is all about pleasures of the flesh. It is not about good fashion sense. It is about who you choose to sleep with. And honestly, I could care less what you do in your own space and with whom. Just keep it out of my space.

I really think the major problem, with me, anyway is the same as with other "groups". I don't care about people's gender, race, or sexual preference, I just don't think they should get special treatment because of them. And when they start crying discrimination because of these things, then that just makes me mad and unfortunately makes me angry at the whole group. And that is wrong on my part I know. But it happenes, and therefore it affects me and will affect my children as long as we allow it to happen. The groups bring it on themselvs because they want "special" treatment. They want to stand out and be noticed. And when they are noticed, then they want to know why you call them what they are. Just leave it all at home.

So my point....blah blah blah (LOL). We should only have to accept people as being people. Not accept them because they are homosexuals, (we really don't need to know that), or because they are a certian race or gender. Just accept them because they are people. Like Lonny said, hate the sin, not the sinner.

This country was founded and build on Christian principals. Why do we think we need to keep changing that. The more we do the more watered down we get. We all have our freedoms to choose, but why should we expect the country to cater to our choices especially if they go against the baisc principals.
I agree with some of this so I will put in my two cents. First of all....to each his own...or whatever floats your boat. Until scientifically(sp) proven...I don't think being gay is genetic...I didnt go out and research this so I could be wrong....it's a choice a person makes...a lifestyle that that person choose to live with. Now...Like Kitty said....if I decided to go out and cut my legs off because for some strange reason I thought it would be cool to have artifical legs...I can go around screaming asking for disability and acceptance if someone choses not to accept me....that's the lifestyle I wanted. I can't FORCE anyone to accept me. Hope that makes sense.

[dragonfootballfan]

I don't care what other religions do. I have Christ in my life and it is by those laws I will try to live and raise my children. And as far as I am concerned, there is only one God and it is through Christ that I will someday be in heaven with him.
thats fine for yourself, but should not be forced upon others through our government

[DragonWatcher]

I always knew you were a smart man dragonfootballfan. You can't legislate religious beleifs in a country that has many different beliefs.

[CKE]

please please please lets not get god into this. its going to go to far and offend people

[dada]

please please please lets not get god into this. its going to go to far and offend people
Exactly...I stay away from 3 topics.....Religion, Politics, and raising Children.

[Miss Kitty]

The freakin' move to a heathinistic country. I don't care. It has been that way since the US was founded. If someone does not like it get the hell out.

And I should not be forced to accept a homosexual because he chooses to be with a man. Again...I see the people as people and don't need to know about the lifestyle.

[Miss Kitty]

I always knew you were a smart man dragonfootballfan. You can't legislate religious beleifs in a country that has many different beliefs.


I am not asking for my religious beliefs to be legislated. I just don't want to go see two men having sex on the big screen. That's all.

[LUFPAN]

You think it was founded on christian principles yet not once in the declaration of independence or the constitution does it ever mention this. Those are our country's founding documents, wouldn't it be mentioned in those documents if that were the case. The fact is the country was founded on good principles. Some of those principals are the same as christian principles, but it does not mean that the country was founded on every single christian principle.

Seperation of Church and State is NOT MENTIONED EVEN ONE TIME NOR IS IT IMPLIED ANYWHERE IN THE CONSTITUTION. This was an idea that was added later by the courts. The only historical mention was a letter written by Thomsas Jefferson well after the Constitution had been approved. The context of that letter was to keep the state out of the church not keep the church out of the state. There is absolutely no debate amongst historians that the US was founded on Christian principle. Our basic laws are Christian by their very definition. Without a belief in God there can be no moral absolutes. An absence of absolutes would mean an absence of law. Thou shall not kill, steal...these are all laws based in Christian principle. We are a Christian based nation. Ony those revisionist historians who find a need to justify their beliefs make an attempt to deny that. We change, our beliefs change, but the Bible does not change. The cannon is forever closed and we are warned about the danges or changing so much as one line of what the scripture has to say. All of this acceptance of an abominable life-style will be answered for some day. We can paint our sins to make them beautiful but they still stink in the nostrils of God.

[LUFPAN]

I always knew you were a smart man dragonfootballfan. You can't legislate religious beleifs in a country that has many different beliefs.

Thou shall not kill

Thou shall not steal

Are both mentioned specifically in the Bible and both are illegall by U.S. law. So it seems to me that religious beliefs can be legislated.

[lonny23]

Dang I wish I could leave this alone....but I just can't. So sorry guys, but here I go.

People are people. And we are ALL God's children. And in the end of each person's life it will be between them and God what happenes. But in the mean time, they have to live here on earth, and when what they do affects me, I get concerned. You said that these sins are legal, well maybe so and maybe not. Have you actually checked the laws. They are different all over. But there are plenty of "legal" things that I choose not to do. It is all about choices. It is not about how you are born. We are all born with the ability to love it is how we choose to express that love that matters. And that is where the homosexal part comes in. IMO being gay is all about pleasures of the flesh. It is not about good fashion sense. It is about who you choose to sleep with. And honestly, I could care less what you do in your own space and with whom. Just keep it out of my space.

I really think the major problem, with me, anyway is the same as with other "groups". I don't care about people's gender, race, or sexual preference, I just don't think they should get special treatment because of them. And when they start crying discrimination because of these things, then that just makes me mad and unfortunately makes me angry at the whole group. And that is wrong on my part I know. But it happenes, and therefore it affects me and will affect my children as long as we allow it to happen. The groups bring it on themselvs because they want "special" treatment. They want to stand out and be noticed. And when they are noticed, then they want to know why you call them what they are. Just leave it all at home.

So my point....blah blah blah (LOL). We should only have to accept people as being people. Not accept them because they are homosexuals, (we really don't need to know that), or because they are a certian race or gender. Just accept them because they are people. Like Lonny said, hate the sin, not the sinner.

This country was founded and build on Christian principals. Why do we think we need to keep changing that. The more we do the more watered down we get. We all have our freedoms to choose, but why should we expect the country to cater to our choices especially if they go against the baisc principals.
Should we keep it out of this message board, too!:p

[RedRage00]

No :cool:

[dragonfootballfan]

Seperation of Church and State is NOT MENTIONED EVEN ONE TIME NOR IS IT IMPLIED ANYWHERE IN THE CONSTITUTION. This was an idea that was added later by the courts. The only historical mention was a letter written by Thomsas Jefferson well after the Constitution had been approved. The context of that letter was to keep the state out of the church not keep the church out of the state. There is absolutely no debate amongst historians that the US was founded on Christian principle. Our basic laws are Christian by their very definition. Without a belief in God there can be no moral absolutes. An absence of absolutes would mean an absence of law. Thou shall not kill, steal...these are all laws based in Christian principle. We are a Christian based nation. Ony those revisionist historians who find a need to justify their beliefs make an attempt to deny that. We change, our beliefs change, but the Bible does not change. The cannon is forever closed and we are warned about the danges or changing so much as one line of what the scripture has to say. All of this acceptance of an abominable life-style will be answered for some day. We can paint our sins to make them beautiful but they still stink in the nostrils of God.
could this not just be coincidence? You mention in another post about thou shalt not kill and thou shalt not steal. Christians are not the only ones that believe killing and stealing is wrong.

[dragonfootballfan]

Thou shall not kill

Thou shall not steal

Are both mentioned specifically in the Bible and both are illegall by U.S. law. So it seems to me that religious beliefs can be legislated.
those were not legislated because they were religious beliefs and I think that is what DragonWatcher meant. Just because it is your religious belief it is not enough to make it a law.

[lonny23]

I was under the assumption that this country was also founded on the principle of seperation of church and state, IMHO one of the greatest things about our country. While they might be your basic principles there are many others in the country that do not share your principles. You can't legislate morality, as it is different in the eye of every beholder.
You can legislate morality and that has been the case in many countries, but according to the morality rules of those in charge.

This country was set up to not establish a national religion. The Constitution said nothing about separation of church and state. We've discussed before that some founders had humanistic thoughts and beliefs, but some had strong religious convictions. What they didn't want to do was make a national church like the Church of England where the government directed a certain religion or said how it was to be run. Believe me, the laws of this country were definitely set up in the past to match the morality taught in the Bible. As time went by, we've decided to make less and less laws according to Biblical text because we do let the rules be according to how each person feels.

[LUFPAN]

could this not just be coincidence? You mention in another post about thou shalt not kill and thou shalt not steal. Christians are not the only ones that believe killing and stealing is wrong.

No Christians are not the only ones who believe it is wrong. Other religions frown on murder and theft as well. And those beliefs are legislated.

[lonny23]

This is a whole different discussion. Separating church and state is one thing. Separating God and country is another. God is not church. One church running a country is what we got away from. But if they wanted God out of the picture then it would not be throughout our govenrment docs. ie..In GOD we trust.....One nation under GOD. And therefore we can not discount the laws that GOD gave us. The rules handed to us by the different churches are often different than those that God gave us. And it is those principals I am speaking of.

It is kind of like the difference between religion and salvation...but agian that is another discussion.
I guess the search button wasn't my friend on this one!:p

I agree with Miss Kitty.

[dragonfootballfan]

No Christians are not the only ones who believe it is wrong. Other religions frown on murder and theft as well. And those beliefs are legislated.
he did not mean that you cannot legislate religious beliefs, he said they are not legislated because they are religious beliefs. They are legislated for a different reason.

[LUFPAN]

those were not legislated because they were religious beliefs and I think that is what DragonWatcher meant. Just because it is your religious belief it is not enough to make it a law.

If those laws are not based on religion then they should be thrown out immediately since it should be well within your rights to steal and kill if your personal beliefs allow it. You can have no definition of legality without morality.

[KT2000]

Let's steer clear of the religion, politics and sexual preference debate. Like dada mentioned, two of the message board topics to stay away from unless you are on a site that "specializes" in that.

[dragonfootballfan]

If those laws are not based on religion then they should be thrown out immediately since it should be well within your rights to steal and kill if your personal beliefs allow it. You can have no definition of legality without morality.
the reason those are laws is because representatives that were elected by the people thought that there should be laws for it. It has nothing to do with religious beliefs, and all to do with what people feel is right and wrong. They can feel it is right or wrong for a number of reasons, and they are not just because of christian beliefs.

It must have torn you up if Lieberman was president or Kinky Friedman is elected governor. I mean the country will just collapse upon itself.

[KT2000]

It's obvious this one has veered way too far off to recover.