best 5a state championship team ever

[implacable44]

I bet there will be more SLC nominees than any other. I say Judson 93

[SWTAlumni]

Tyler John Tyler 94....1 in the state, 1 in the nation, and an ESPN Espy award for their comback against Plano East! 4 players from that team were drafted in the NFL draft!

[Texasfrog]

Tough, Tough, Tough question..... I'm going to reflect some on that question and get back to ya !

[ktchamp97]

I've said it many times before...

The 2003 North Shore Mustangs were, by far, the best high school team I've ever seen. If you only saw the state title game, you may be inclined to think they weren't all that great, but that game was never in doubt...never.

[implacable44]

I didn;t get to see them play - Where are some of their players now ? What colleges are they playing for ?

[stevefoxsc]

I've said it many times before...

The 2003 North Shore Mustangs were, by far, the best high school team I've ever seen. If you only saw the state title game, you may be inclined to think they weren't all that great, but that game was never in doubt...never.


by far i have to agree with him the 2003 north shore team i doubt any one could take them not even the 04 slc team i think the 2003 north shore team should have been the real national champs

[pack0808]

haven't we done a million threads on this subject before??

[Favpack]

With all due respect to my fine SLC friends - their '04 team kind of escaped with wins over AHS and SV, particularly SV. The Lufkin game was a tale of two halves - but still a squeeker in the end for SLC.

Conversely, North Shore obliterated all comers - including a really good TWHS in the final.

I go with NS - but I honestly didn't watch much of the Lee teams led by Benson - I hear the middle year of their three year run was pretty outstanding.

[wide-e-wide]

haven't we done a million threads on this subject before??

One million and one if you want to be technical.
It's an impossible question to answer.

[drgnbkr]

With all due respect to my fine SLC friends - their '04 team kind of escaped with wins over AHS and SV, particularly SV. The Lufkin game was a tale of two halves - but still a squeeker in the end for SLC.

Conversely, North Shore obliterated all comers - including a really good TWHS in the final.

I go with NS - but I honestly didn't watch much of the Lee teams led by Benson - I hear the middle year of their three year run was pretty outstanding.

Fav, I would agree with you, but never saw NS. You say Carroll "escaped" with wins over AHS, & SV....I say they played the toughest road to a title that has ever been laid out...NS was good & we'll never know what would have happened head to head, but they did not have as tough a road as Carroll 04....& I say that with all the respect in the world for Abilene, Lufkin and SV...the Dragons just had a little more when it mattered....best of all time? Impossible to say....

[raidercheerdad]

who really cares w/no way to prove it?

[GTown02]

I've said it many times before...

The 2003 North Shore Mustangs were, by far, the best high school team I've ever seen. If you only saw the state title game, you may be inclined to think they weren't all that great, but that game was never in doubt...never.

Couldnt have said it better myself.

[BigFanSLC]

2002 SLC Dragons..... better then any of the past two SLC teams. That's why they are #1 in the Nation right now, b/c the 2002 team put SLC back on the TX. H.S. Football Map by making history and winning in their first 5A season, and now they are back to the perrenial power that they once were back in 3A. In 4A, SLC didn't win one state championship, or go to the final game. You didn't hear all the hype or read everyday about something new and exciting about SLC football when they were in their 4A days as opposed to now.
Just remember all you youngin's out there that are up and coming in the Dragon program, that the 2002 State Championship TEAM picture in the Fieldhouse means more to the SLC program then you could know..... JUST PROTECT THE TRADITION!

[Warbird]

With all due respect to my fine SLC friends - their '04 team kind of escaped with wins over AHS and SV, particularly SV. The Lufkin game was a tale of two halves - but still a squeeker in the end for SLC.

Conversely, North Shore obliterated all comers - including a really good TWHS in the final.

I go with NS - but I honestly didn't watch much of the Lee teams led by Benson - I hear the middle year of their three year run was pretty outstanding.


The AHS game was more of an "OMIGOSH, THEY'RE ON THE TWELVE YARD LINE!!!" sort of panic for SLC. Take away the AHS fumble right before the half, they win. Take away the illegal motion penalty on the 12, they win. Take away that final interception, AHS wins. Everything had to be really lucky for SLC to win that one. And trust me, A-High's going to be better than a lot are giving it credit for. Top WR-QB combo in the state with an excellent running back (think Kobey Lewis like speed, but taller), and a D that looked like it just reloaded during the spring game.

As a matter of fact, two Sophmores have made varsity for next year. Last string, granted, but still. They're good. Their names: Dmidrick Harrell, and Kortney McDow. Harrell's about Kobey Lewis's size, has an excellent ability to break tackles, and is actually .01 seconds faster in the 40 than Casey Bell, our current back. Kortney McDow...where do I start? Excellent receiver, excellent kid. He, along with Ben Wadsworth, are probably the JV Black QB, Spens Lackey's favorite targets. Good, solid O-line with at least 3-4 guys at 6'2". Yeah, the JV's going to be frightening next year at A-High. :eek:

Heh. That's all scarier than being forced to watch Farrah Fawcett's new TV show, to borrow a phrase. :cool:

[dragonfootballfan]

The AHS game was more of an "OMIGOSH, THEY'RE ON THE TWELVE YARD LINE!!!" sort of panic for SLC. Take away the AHS fumble right before the half, they win. Take away the illegal motion penalty on the 12, they win. Take away that final interception, AHS wins. Everything had to be really lucky for SLC to win that one. And trust me, A-High's going to be better than a lot are giving it credit for. Top WR-QB combo in the state with an excellent running back (think Kobey Lewis like speed, but taller), and a D that looked like it just reloaded during the spring game.

As a matter of fact, two Sophmores have made varsity for next year. Last string, granted, but still. They're good. Their names: Dmidrick Harrell, and Kortney McDow. Harrell's about Kobey Lewis's size, has an excellent ability to break tackles, and is actually .01 seconds faster in the 40 than Casey Bell, our current back. Kortney McDow...where do I start? Excellent receiver, excellent kid. He, along with Ben Wadsworth, are probably the JV Black QB, Spens Lackey's favorite targets. Good, solid O-line with at least 3-4 guys at 6'2". Yeah, the JV's going to be frightening next year at A-High. :eek:

Heh. That's all scarier than being forced to watch Farrah Fawcett's new TV show, to borrow a phrase. :cool:
If you were at that game you would know that it was closer to a SLC blowout than an AHS win. If SLC catches that pass in the fourth quarter that they have caught in just about every game that year it is like a 21 point game. Instead its an interception a touchdown and a recovered onside kick for Abilene

[raidercheerdad]

Hey warbird - tell steve and carol warren hello from cody in tyler. I went to HS w/steve's wife.

[Warbird]

Sure thing, man.

[Warbird]

If you were at that game you would know that it was closer to a SLC blowout than an AHS win. If SLC catches that pass in the fourth quarter that they have caught in just about every game that year it is like a 21 point game. Instead its an interception a touchdown and a recovered onside kick for Abilene
I was there. If they had caught that, it would have been more like a 14 point win, if that. If Abilene had made the conversion, they would have lined up for a field goal and sent it into OT. Then, it was anybody's guess as to who would have won.

[Texasfrog]

I was there. If they had caught that, it would have been more like a 14 point win, if that. If Abilene had made the conversion, they would have lined up for a field goal and sent it into OT. Then, it was anybody's guess as to who would have won.

Both of you are kinda talking about mute points. The reason I say this is because when most 5A teams that are ranked in the Top #15 in Texas. When they play the difference between the winner and loser in most games is about 3 to 4 plays in the entire game.

If you go back and look at alot of the 5A State title games over the years and Semi-Finals games. You will see that alot of them went into the 4th QT and the difference was 3 to 4 plays (In the GAME) between the winner and loser.

[drgnbkr]

Warbird...your selling your team short by saying Carroll was lucky....Abilene played a heck of a game and just came up a little short....great season for AHS but the State trophy is in Southlake because the Dragons had a little more than everyone else....thats all there is between the quarterfinalists on...just a little bit....

[BigFanSLC]

yah its called great football being played.... you wouldnt expect anything less than that, that late in the playoffs.

[Texasfrog]

I'm going to give some respect to the 1985 Houston Yates team that went (16-0) as one of the best Texas 5A State champs.

1985 Houston Yates (16-0).

1988 Dallas Carter (14-0-1).

1989 Odessa Permian (16-0).

1999 Midland Lee team (15-0).

2002 SLC team (16-0).

2003 Galena Park N.S. (15-0).

It's hard to pick among those teams. You cant go wrong with the 2003 GPNS team. They were big and fast and very skilled.

[implacable44]

I still don't see how you can leabve Jerod Douglas from '93 and the Rockets off that list --They blew Trinity out in the state game
or even the Chris Pryor team.

[LeanderLions3033]

The 03 North Shore team. IMO this is a no brainer. That north shore team could have beaten the Yates team of 85 and the Permian team of 89 because times have changed and players and athletes have developed. That team could have beaten any high school team in the nation ever by more than two tds if they played their game and didnt get caught up in an off night, but maybe thats just my opinion.

[RidgePride]

The 03 North Shore team. IMO this is a no brainer. That north shore team could have beaten the Yates team of 85 and the Permian team of 89 because times have changed and players and athletes have developed. That team could have beaten any high school team in the nation ever by more than two tds if they played their game and didnt get caught up in an off night, but maybe thats just my opinion.


Players sizes have not changed over the years. I look at the players now from when I played over 10 years ago and I see the same size kids today.

I never saw that North Shore team play except for highlights. You really can't judge from only seeing a teams best plays.

From what everyone is saying, it sounds like GPNS was Best overall.

[Texasfrog]

Ya, its almost best to pick the best teams of the decades. That probably puts things in a better overall perspective.

Judson teams of the early 90's(with Jerod Douglas) were also tough.

The 2003 North Shore team was tough. I mean you cant go wrong by picking them.

I'm going to give some respect to the 2002 SLC team. A strong argument could be put up for them. They were a very sound team.

That Yates team was tough.... Rb- Johnny Bailey was pretty stout and went on to have a nice NFL career. Plus, I believe he won the Walter Payton trophy a few times in college.

[Texasfrog]

Players sizes have not changed over the years. I look at the players now from when I played over 10 years ago and I see the same size kids today.

I never saw that North Shore team play except for highlights. You really can't judge from only seeing a teams best plays.

From what everyone is saying, it sounds like GPNS was Best overall.


The 2003 North Shore team was legit. A strong argument could be made for them as the All-time Texas best.

[VB Pack Fan]

This is a question that can not be correctly answered. And all the what if,s is mood point. What is the refs had made the right call in the SLC / Lufkin game in Waco, the reciever trap the catch. What if Reggie had not played the game of a lifetime against Euless in Tyer in the pouring rain, we would have not won state that year. What if John Tyler had not come from behind to beat Plano.All that won state championships were great teams

[MojoRaiderPower]

The 03 North Shore team. IMO this is a no brainer. That north shore team could have beaten the Yates team of 85 and the Permian team of 89 because times have changed and players and athletes have developed. That team could have beaten any high school team in the nation ever by more than two tds if they played their game and didnt get caught up in an off night, but maybe thats just my opinion.


Thats BS!! that is why the games are played.

hands down 1985 Yates, 11 starters played in the NFL!!!
on your other point Aldine in 1989 ran the option, and MOJO Stuck it to them!!!!

[ktchamp97]

Thats BS!! that is why the games are played.

hands down 1985 Yates, 11 starters played in the NFL!!!
on your other point Aldine in 1989 ran the option, and MOJO Stuck it to them!!!!

I'm not sure how an opinion can be "BS"...however...

You can certainly make a case for the '85 Yates team. If we could line the two teams up against each other and I had to pick one, I would pick North Shore every single time. That team was more than a collection of great athletes...they were a true team and they played very disciplined, error-free football. That's what alot of people miss about that team. People wrongly assume that because they had so many great athletes, they just out-talented people...that team was an aberration. I have never seen a high school team hit like they did, either...that was one nasty, nasty defense. The teams Texasfrog listed (as well as the 16-0, 2000 Katy Tigers, which he forgot to mention ;)) would have done well to come within 2 TD's of the '03 Mustangs. But that's just my BS opinion :D.

[TigersWreck]

2000 Katy Tigers (16-0)

[Texasfrog]

Sorry Katy boys.. the 2000 Katy team was very good. I went to a few of their games also. Jared Kasper could do the Katy (playaction) better than anyone. Plus, that 50 yd td-pass to the diving Mouton in the Houston Madison game right before halftime was insane. I was waiting for someone from Katy to come after me.

Very good team and deserves right up there with the others.

PS. I see that the TE-Beau Davidson is now playing at North Tx with Jamaal Branch.

[garlandowl08]

Of course there's no way im biased or anything, but i like the 99 owls, they did have one of the greatest games of the 90's against South grand prarie (look in the greatest games part)

[Texasfrog]

Of course there's no way im biased or anything, but i like the 99 owls, they did have one of the greatest games of the 90's against South grand prarie (look in the greatest games part)

They were real, real, real lucky to beat Lufkin in the playoffs. I think that was Reggie Mcneal coming out game even though they lost. Garland was very good. Whatever happened to the RB-Donta Hart that signed with Tulsa ? I thought he was pretty good but just kind of disappeared off the radar. LB-Keelan Jackson (A&M) turned out to be the real deal.

That opening loss to (4A) Highland Park is a little blemish.

[drgnbkr]

This is a question that can not be correctly answered. And all the what if,s is mood point. What is the refs had made the right call in the SLC / Lufkin game in Waco, the reciever trap the catch. What if Reggie had not played the game of a lifetime against Euless in Tyer in the pouring rain, we would have not won state that year. What if John Tyler had not come from behind to beat Plano.All that won state championships were great teams

Every once in a while somebody brings up this thing about a blown call in the Lufkin / Carroll game in Waco...what are you talking about? I was there & I don't have any idea what your referring to....

[garlandowl08]

They were real, real, real lucky to beat Lufkin in the playoffs. I think that was Reggie Mcneal coming out game even though they lost. Garland was very good. Whatever happened to the RB-Donta Hart that signed with Tulsa ? I thought he was pretty good but just kind of disappeared off the radar. LB-Keelan Jackson (A&M) turned out to be the real deal.

That opening loss to (4A) Highland Park is a little blemish.


Highland park was on purpose...we like adversity...yeah, something like that...

[ktchamp97]

Sorry Katy boys.. the 2000 Katy team was very good. I went to a few of their games also. Jared Kasper could do the Katy (playaction) better than anyone. Plus, that 50 yd td-pass to the diving Mouton in the Houston Madison game right before halftime was insane. I was waiting for someone from Katy to come after me.

Very good team and deserves right up there with the others.

PS. I see that the TE-Beau Davidson is now playing at North Tx with Jamaal Branch.

It was Eric Konesheck who made that catch against Madison, but you are correct in calling it "insane." Kaspar was an excellent QB. Jamel is going to start at CB this year for UNT.

That 2000 team was the best Katy team, but they would have had all kinds of trouble with '03 NS.

[Texasfrog]

It was Eric Konesheck who made that catch against Madison, but you are correct in calling it "insane." Kaspar was an excellent QB. Jamel is going to start at CB this year for UNT.

That 2000 team was the best Katy team, but they would have had all kinds of trouble with '03 NS.

It was Konesheck that made that catch ?? I've been thinking it was the Mouton kid. I remember they threw that pass like two plays earlier and barely missed it and then came right back with it. That was the backbreaker for Madison. Katy also had a "LB" on that team that was dang good. He was like 5-10/190 lbs kid that could just play. He made like every other tackle.

The 1997 Katy team (14-1) wasnt to shabby either.. How in the world did they lose to Langham Creek 20-9 ????? It was the 2nd game of the year so Katy was probably still somewhat young with some junior players.

PS.. Surprises me that North Tx is going to play Branch as a CB because his such a great offensive player.

[GoOwls]

Highland park was on purpose...we like adversity...yeah, something like that...

I don't know about luck in the Lufkin game. Were you there? I was, we played had as Lufkin did, came from behind, got the lead, and shut McNeal out of the endzone on three or four drives that ended on fourth down in the fourth quarter. That G-Town "D" was bad, especially with their backs to the wall.

As for Donta Hart. I actually know the kid, I delivered his mail from grade school through his junior year. Donta was not a running back, he was earmarked to go D-1 as an outside backer or strong safety. He was only spot used as a RB in his soph and Jr. years. Coach Martin decided he was a RB, as they didn't have as many choices as usual for the position, so it forced his hand to put his prize pass rusher on offense. Turned out to be a good thing since he set the Garland city rushing record and led us to a title.

He went to Tulsa but was behind a soph. speedster and Brian Bohannon, the 6'2" 240 lb. tailback that started for Garland in the 97 season. He was disenchanted with his playing time and transferred to Houston. He got caught up in some trouble with the law and was kicked off the team and lost his schollarship. He has had some trouble since then, but I hear he is beginning to work it out. I'm still in touch with a couple of kids in that neighborhood who were his best friends and they gave me his information.

[MojoRaiderPower]

I'm not sure how an opinion can be "BS"...however...

You can certainly make a case for the '85 Yates team. If we could line the two teams up against each other and I had to pick one, I would pick North Shore every single time. That team was more than a collection of great athletes...they were a true team and they played very disciplined, error-free football. That's what alot of people miss about that team. People wrongly assume that because they had so many great athletes, they just out-talented people...that team was an aberration. I have never seen a high school team hit like they did, either...that was one nasty, nasty defense. The teams Texasfrog listed (as well as the 16-0, 2000 Katy Tigers, which he forgot to mention ;)) would have done well to come within 2 TD's of the '03 Mustangs. But that's just my BS opinion :D.

the opinion was not what i was referring to, maybe you should re-read his post!!!

[Texasfrog]

I don't know about luck in the Lufkin game. Were you there? I was, we played had as Lufkin did, came from behind, got the lead, and shut McNeal out of the endzone on three or four drives that ended on fourth down in the fourth quarter. That G-Town "D" was bad, especially with their backs to the wall.

As for Donta Hart. I actually know the kid, I delivered his mail from grade school through his junior year. Donta was not a running back, he was earmarked to go D-1 as an outside backer or strong safety. He was only spot used as a RB in his soph and Jr. years. Coach Martin decided he was a RB, as they didn't have as many choices as usual for the position, so it forced his hand to put his prize pass rusher on offense. Turned out to be a good thing since he set the Garland city rushing record and led us to a title.

He went to Tulsa but was behind a soph. speedster and Brian Bohannon, the 6'2" 240 lb. tailback that started for Garland in the 97 season. He was disenchanted with his playing time and transferred to Houston. He got caught up in some trouble with the law and was kicked off the team and lost his schollarship. He has had some trouble since then, but I hear he is beginning to work it out. I'm still in touch with a couple of kids in that neighborhood who were his best friends and they gave me his information.

Actually No I wasnt there.. But, saw a good DVD tv copy of the game. It was back and forth and for most of the game Lufkin was in control. I think with about 5 minutes left in the game Reggie McNeal ran like a 35 yd touchdown run that got called back on a "holding call." It was a hardfought game by both teams. When I say Lucky... most of the time I mean it was a toss up style game that could of easily gone either way. Like many games when it's top notch teams facing off.

I posted it earlier... most of these bigtime matchup games. Its only 3 or 4 plays in the game that make the difference between the winner or loser.

Thanks for the "info' on Hart. Hope everything works out for the young man. He was a workhorse "RB" for Garland.

The "K" Chris Simms was also very good. The "WB" kid that signed with West Va but disappeared off the football charts was also very dang good. Cant remember his name off the top of my head.

[GoOwls]

Sims got a full ride to A&M but during the offseason he gave up his schollarship and said an injury would keep him from kicking. Strange.....and we've never gotten the full story. I forgot the WB name too. Little guy, 5'6" and 150 lbs who also played weakside defensive end in 3 man front in passing situations. I believe he started doing that in game 7 or so, and in the 10 or so games he did that, he got 12 sacks, I think, and 5 or 6 forced fumbles.

I sat by him at a Garland/DeSoto game in 2001, I believe and he said he didn't like the place, so he went to some kind of fancy Texas college that is Div.3 or lower, for his education because he wanted to be an interior designer or something, and playing there was his way to a free education and getting to work at something he likes, and only a few schools in Texas offered his major. If you want more info, PM me.

[ktchamp97]

The 1997 Katy team (14-1) wasnt to shabby either.. How in the world did they lose to Langham Creek 20-9 ????? It was the 2nd game of the year so Katy was probably still somewhat young with some junior players.

Since you asked...allow me to veer off the original topic for a few...

I have some pretty decent info on that game (take a quick look back at my screen name ;)).

For starters, Katy has been a traditionally slow starting team. The program was built to start very, very basic and add on and get better every week so as to peak at playoff time. Not an excuse, just a fact. That said we beat a very good Mike Green led Klein team in Week 1, a team that we hadn't beaten in the last 3 years. We did have a great, great crop of underclassmen, talent-wise, but that was a senior-led team...no doubt about it, so youth was not an excuse.

Entering the LC game, we were platooning QB's and RB's trying to find the right combination of players. The rest of the team was pretty well set up. Well, LC was a good team that year...talent everywhere. The game started as a sort of stalemate; both teams trading blows. Then, our wheels fell off. Between the 2nd and 3rd quarters, we turned the ball over on 7 or 8 consecutive possesions...mostly RB fumbles and several by the same guy, who didn't see much time following that game. Despite that collapse we were a narrowly-missed late fourth quarter, 4th down conversion inside their 20 from making things very interesting.

In the end, we turned it over 7 or 8 times and lost by 11.

Honestly, it was probably the best thing that could have happened. Our team was a close-knit, very confident bunch...talk about being humbled! The Saturday morning following that game was our most intense workout of the season...as was the following week of practice. We were so crushed and, frankly, embarrased by that game that we knew we never wanted to feel like that again and we worked our butts off to make sure that didn't happen again. Thankfully, it didn't. Our renewed work ethic and the settling out of our QB and RB situations set us off and we never looked back. The weird thing is, I remember as much, if not more, from that Langham Creek game as I do of the Longview game.

[Texasfrog]

Since you asked...allow me to veer off the original topic for a few...

I have some pretty decent info on that game (take a quick look back at my screen name ;)).

For starters, Katy has been a traditionally slow starting team. The program was built to start very, very basic and add on and get better every week so as to peak at playoff time. Not an excuse, just a fact. That said we beat a very good Mike Green led Klein team in Week 1, a team that we hadn't beaten in the last 3 years. We did have a great, great crop of underclassmen, talent-wise, but that was a senior-led team...no doubt about it, so youth was not an excuse.

Entering the LC game, we were platooning QB's and RB's trying to find the right combination of players. The rest of the team was pretty well set up. Well, LC was a good team that year...talent everywhere. The game started as a sort of stalemate; both teams trading blows. Then, our wheels fell off. Between the 2nd and 3rd quarters, we turned the ball over on 7 or 8 consecutive possesions...mostly RB fumbles and several by the same guy, who didn't see much time following that game. Despite that collapse we were a narrowly-missed late fourth quarter, 4th down conversion inside their 20 from making things very interesting.

In the end, we turned it over 7 or 8 times and lost by 11.

Honestly, it was probably the best thing that could have happened. Our team was a close-knit, very confident bunch...talk about being humbled! The Saturday morning following that game was our most intense workout of the season...as was the following week of practice. We were so crushed and, frankly, embarrased by that game that we knew we never wanted to feel like that again and we worked our butts off to make sure that didn't happen again. Thankfully, it didn't. Our renewed work ethic and the settling out of our QB and RB situations set us off and we never looked back. The weird thing is, I remember as much, if not more, from that Langham Creek game as I do of the Longview game.

Ok.. Wow, the screen name didnt even dawn on me until you mentioned it. That was a very good Katy team. I didnt get to see the team play in person because I was with Uncle Sam at the time seeing the world. I had to rely on relatives in the coaching arena sending me some game tapes of games and of coarse I got a nice TV copy of the Katy vs Longview game.

Katy completely dominated a very sound Longview team. Did a pretty good job of keeping Talley in check. I think his longest run was right before halftime in the title game.

Some solid players on that Katy team. I see that Eric Heitman just signed a new contract with San Fran. I think the other big O-lineman just played in NFL Europe. I heard that kid had like a size 18 inch foot. The LB-Rusty Bucy was an animal also. I know he came up and left some marks on Talley.

Its funny that you say Katy starts off basic. I heard Coach Johnston speak one time and he said the same thing. By playoff time the team matures with alot of motion he said. By the way, Coach Johnston is a class act.

Seems like some games can leave a lasting impression on you ,especially if you lose them. My senior year we beat a team in week three (Non-District Game @ home) by almost 40 pts... We played them same team on a neutral field in the second round and got smoked by about 20pts. Go figure huh. I look back on that game as an older person now and know that we were alot of cocky 16,17 & 18 year old kids that believed we would smoke them again. We got humbled that night and I learned a lesson that I still carry, "Never take an opponent lightly."

[LeanderLions3033]

On the thats BS statement.

How can you call that bs when your saying thats why the games are played then you go off and say Yates was the best team hands down. Don't throw stones when you live in a glass house my man ;) .

[ktCarl]

haven't we done a million threads on this subject before??

one million and one.

[MojoRaiderPower]

On the thats BS statement.

How can you call that bs when your saying thats why the games are played then you go off and say Yates was the best team hands down. Don't throw stones when you live in a glass house my man ;) .

That is why the games are played is an expression!
My opinion is 85 Yates is the best!!
once again it was not your pick that i was BS-ing it was the statement on how kids have changed!!

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

I got a top 5 but not just one.



in no order

Lufkin----2001

SLC----2002

CUJO-----1994

Judson----1993

Permian----I think it was between '87 or '90.....it was when they played I think at Texas Stadium against Marshall from San Antonio... some one correct me if i'm wrong please.

[SWTAlumni]

How many of those teams had seniors that went undefeated from 7 grade all the way through their state championship? 94 Tyler John Tyler did! I know becuase I played against them all the way through 12th grade, They never lost a single game!

Morris Anderson never lost a game as the starting quarterback at John Tyler.

[pack0808]

i personally think the slc04 team was better then the slc02 team after watching lufkin play both of them in those years. maybe it was because the lufkin 02 team was better then the lufkin 04 team i do not know?? both games were tied under 2 minutes 30-30 but the lufkin 02 team had a much better chance of winning after blowing a big lead. i just felt the slc defense was better in 04 and chase daniel was better then chase wasson and luna was a better runner as a senior then a sophomore. just my opinion.

[Texasfrog]

i personally think the slc04 team was better then the slc02 team after watching lufkin play both of them in those years. maybe it was because the lufkin 02 team was better then the lufkin 04 team i do not know?? both games were tied under 2 minutes 30-30 but the lufkin 02 team had a much better chance of winning after blowing a big lead. i just felt the slc defense was better in 04 and chase daniel was better then chase wasson and luna was a better runner as a senior then a sophomore. just my opinion.

Toss up probably... both the SLC 2002 and SLC 2004 were pretty close overall in my opinion. What do ya'll SLC people think ??

[implacable44]

Oh m y gosh - what are you guys doing ? - You are going to force greenbloods to be critical of one of their own ? Are you serious - choose between two great dragon squads - That can't happen - no way man -- no way. they are equals.

[farmerfan]

87 Plano- went 16-0 and became the frist team to ever win back to back in Texas 5A. They went out to Odessa and became the 1st team to ever win a playoff game at Ratliff stadium, they were big, fast and well coached, and ended the year ranked #1 in the nation.

96 Lewisville- went 15-0 defeating 5 district champs in the playoffs, averaged 38 points per game while yielding only 10, had 4 1000 yard rushers and could break the big play on you at any given time. The defense was stout and underrated due to the explosiveness of the offense, scored a state title game record 58 points only to see cross town rival Marcus break that record the following year with 59. Had over 500 yards rushing in the state title game and did not attempt 1 pass.

[pack0808]

Toss up probably... both the SLC 2002 and SLC 2004 were pretty close overall in my opinion. What do ya'll SLC people think ??


i bet smithson valley would definitely say the slc2002 team was better. ;)

[ktchamp97]

87 Plano- went 16-0 and became the frist team to ever win back to back in Texas 5A. They went out to Odessa and became the 1st team to ever win a playoff game at Ratliff stadium, they were big, fast and well coached, and ended the year ranked #1 in the nation.

96 Lewisville- went 15-0 defeating 5 district champs in the playoffs, averaged 38 points per game while yielding only 10, had 4 1000 yard rushers and could break the big play on you at any given time. The defense was stout and underrated due to the explosiveness of the offense, scored a state title game record 58 points only to see cross town rival Marcus break that record the following year with 59. Had over 500 yards rushing in the state title game and did not attempt 1 pass.

Certainly hard to argue those farmerfan. The performance your Farmers put on in that title game was incredible.

[GTown02]

I forgot the WB name too. Little guy, 5'6" and 150 lbs who also played weakside defensive end in 3 man front in passing situations. I believe he started doing that in game 7 or so, and in the 10 or so games he did that, he got 12 sacks, I think, and 5 or 6 forced fumbles.
Are you talking about Keith Mills? He is the only WR i remember from the 99' team.

[dragonfootballfan]

SLC of 02 IMO was better than SLC of 04. The main reason I think is that the 02 team had a more depth at receiver and on the offensive line and had a much better defense. The 2002 team beat their regular season opponents on average 50-10.

[Texasfrog]

Are you talking about Keith Mills? He is the only WR i remember from the 99' team.

That's the player I was trying to remember. I dont remember him playing LB though. He was like Garland's "WB" and he was a pretty solid player. I think he committed to West Va. but I'm not sure he ever made it to campus.

[VB Pack Fan]

Hey "drgnbkr" if you were into that SLC/ LUFKIN game then you should know what I was talking about. But I was only commenting on all the 'WHAT IF,S" that were being said. Those games are all in the past and really does not matter anymore , at least to me . What matters to me is 2005 season."GO PACK"

[drgnbkr]

VB...Like I said earlier...I don't know what your talking about..it is a "missed" call that exists on your side of the stadium...

[GoOwls]

Are you talking about Keith Mills? He is the only WR i remember from the 99' team.

My mistake, when he said WB I thought of Lewis Rogers #33 who also played DE on passing downs. Keith Mills was the leading reciever, but caught most of his passes out of the backfield as he was the other running back in the offense. At times he would split and Rogers would stay at wing or shift to RB with Hart. The regular WR was Nathaniel Harris, he caught some important passes over the middle during the season making the DB's respect the middle on us, and caught the circus catch at the endzone for a TD in the 3rd Qtr. of the Championship game. Mills was sent packing for disciplinary reasons from W. Va. before the season started. Remember, during his senior season, he was benched by Martin time and again and, from my sources, was the main reason for team upheaval the 2000 season.

[Texasfrog]

My mistake, when he said WB I thought of Lewis Rogers #33 who also played DE on passing downs. Keith Mills was the leading reciever, but caught most of his passes out of the backfield as he was the other running back in the offense. At times he would split and Rogers would stay at wing or shift to RB with Hart. The regular WR was Nathaniel Harris, he caught some important passes over the middle during the season making the DB's respect the middle on us, and caught the circus catch at the endzone for a TD in the 3rd Qtr. of the Championship game. Mills was sent packing for disciplinary reasons from W. Va. before the season started. Remember, during his senior season, he was benched by Martin time and again and, from my sources, was the main reason for team upheaval the 2000 season.

That's to bad... he (K.Mills) has some really good God-given talent. It always makes me mad when I see or hear of kids that have tons of God-Given talent but finds ways to throw it all away because of poor individual attitude.

[businesstron]

I'm biased here but I gotta go with my ole school Duncanville in 98. They weren't dominant but thier path was hard as hell. We lost to Arlington Lamar in the last game going into division 1 but we were had just got our QB Jermey Hurd back. We Beat:

Bidistrict
Kileen Ellision(undefeated) 21-14( Had Reggie Duncan and dude was a monster was in the top 3 in the state @ that time)

Euless Trinity(undefeated)32-26
We played them @ Panther Stadium( a rare home game in the play) That atmosphere was spectacular that Saturday, I don't think Most D1AA schools could top it it was just that crunk. I went college with a dude from Euless and he used to remind me how pissed the Trojans were, having to play a playoff game in our stadium

Region final
Odessa Permian(forgot the record) 24-13
They were pretty decent that year I remember they had Roy Williams dude had 47 recptions for 1400 yds dude was incredible....on the game film Sherman Steptoe shut him down that day more or less.

Semifinal Jearsy Village 31-10
They had Selvin Young that year(I think he was a juinor)
I couldn't remember if he had hit 2000 that year but we playd that @ Sam Houston St Young still had over a 130 yds adn an 80 yd run.

Final Converse Judson 24-21
They had three good running backs and I know two of em was over 1000 yds rushing and the other one had about 800. That was in the Astrodome that was tense.

But probably I'd have to say from Fist hand the best champions are GPNS from 2003, Katy '97 annnd SLC last year just too quick.

[pack0808]

again i said it over and over that the controversial call on the chandler catch in the slc vs lufkin game in 2002 was not the key play of the game. it was the 4th down miracle conversion right before that where the ball hit a lufkin linbacker in the chest and somehow bounced to an slc receiver for a first down. that was the key play of the game. if that did not happen the chandler catch would not have even been debated. that is how it goes sometimes and teams usually get breaks when they win a state title. lufkin had their share of breaks when they won their title in 01. that is just how it is. now northshore 03 did not need any breaks but they were rare.

[farmerfan]

The 98 Duncanville team was a good football team, the Trinity game shocked me, cause Trinity was dang good that year, they came into Panther stadium 11-0 after beating Lewisville in the 1st round in a very good football game. People on threads like this will tend to be biased and that is ok, what that Duncanville team had was a lot of speed. After Duncanville beat Permian at Tx Stadium I stayed for the Plano/Jersey Village game, that JV team might have been the biggest team I have ever seen, and they were good. I enjoyed watching Duncanville a lot that year, Herd was a great option QB and Terrance Dean was a very good RB, he was one of those backs that could go the distance on every play. I was also happy for Coach Alpert to get his long awaited state title that year, Texas football really misses that man.

[Texasfrog]

The 98 Duncanville team was a good football team, the Trinity game shocked me, cause Trinity was dang good that year, they came into Panther stadium 11-0 after beating Lewisville in the 1st round in a very good football game. People on threads like this will tend to be biased and that is ok, what that Duncanville team had was a lot of speed. After Duncanville beat Permian at Tx Stadium I stayed for the Plano/Jersey Village game, that JV team might have been the biggest team I have ever seen, and they were good. I enjoyed watching Duncanville a lot that year, Herd was a great option QB and Terrance Dean was a very good RB, he was one of those backs that could go the distance on every play. I was also happy for Coach Alpert to get his long awaited state title that year, Texas football really misses that man.


Herd was a really good QB. He has some serious quickness with speed. I think injuries kind of took their toll on him at Rice. I remember seeing one Rice vs Freson St (Carr was QB for Fresno) and Herd was clearly outplaying Carr but he got hurt late in the 3rd QB and Fresno St ended up winning the game by like 7 pts very late.

[Texasfrog]

again i said it over and over that the controversial call on the chandler catch in the slc vs lufkin game in 2002 was not the key play of the game. it was the 4th down miracle conversion right before that where the ball hit a lufkin linbacker in the chest and somehow bounced to an slc receiver for a first down. that was the key play of the game. if that did not happen the chandler catch would not have even been debated. that is how it goes sometimes and teams usually get breaks when they win a state title. lufkin had their share of breaks when they won their title in 01. that is just how it is. now northshore 03 did not need any breaks but they were rare.

Was that Chandler that caught the pass.... or was it the 10th grader Chase Daniel ? I thought it was Daniels..

[farmerfan]

Chandler caught the TD that many say he never had control of the ball, If i remember correctly it was a diving catch in the back of the endzone, and I think some people will say video shows that he never had control of the ball so I guess it depends on who you talk to or what you see.

[CCHS77]

Was that Chandler that caught the pass.... or was it the 10th grader Chase Daniel ? I thought it was Daniels..


Daniel caught the first 2 point conversion, middle of the north end zone. Chandler later caught the last touchdown in the east corner of the south end zone. Hanson caught the last 2 point conversion in the west corner of the south end zone.

[Texasfrog]

Chandler caught the TD that many say he never had control of the ball, If i remember correctly it was a diving catch in the back of the endzone, and I think some people will say video shows that he never had control of the ball so I guess it depends on who you talk to or what you see.

Ya.. I saw the game on DVD and couldnt remember who caught it. The (tv) DVD that I have you cant really tell if he caught it and had full control. I guess I have to go with the REF. It's all academic now anyway.

Chandler and Tate are going to make a great tandem for the next two years at Iowa. I know that Tate's favorite target last years was the Soloman kid from Houston.

I think Chandler older brother was a pretty good QB at Iowa also...

One thing is for sure.. those Chandler boys are big and athletic.

[pack0808]

yep now i am a chandler fan because he is with my iowa hawks. tate to hinkel, solomon, and chandler will be heard over and over on saturday's next year. solomon is scary underrated. he is one of the best wr's that nobody has heard of in college. iowa always has a bunch of texas kids.

ok back to the best team ever. my vote is the 03 ns team even though katy, lufkin and slc would have given them a run for their money that year in my opinion. what about the 90 aldine team?? weren't they really good?? didnt they finish #1 in the nation. i know east texas marshall won the div1 title that year but i heard a lot about the 90 aldine team. that is when all the bs started with the div and div2. god i hate it.

[farmerfan]

1990 Aldine did finish #1 in the US that year, they beat a very good Arlington Lamar team in the state title game that year, I think Lamar could have beaten Aldine but their all everything TB Sean Walters was very limited in what he could do due to a injury and might not have even played. Had he been anything close to 100% then the outcome of that game would have been much different.
That year was a great year for the city of Arlington, Sam Houston advanced to the semis before getting beat by Marshall, that year Mike Adams was a key player on that team as underclassmen.

[DrEdward]

Was that Chandler that caught the pass.... or was it the 10th grader Chase Daniel ? I thought it was Daniels..


The pass was not caught by either Chandler or Daniels. The fourth down reception off the Lufkin defender was made by Tre Sellari.

[Texasfrog]

The pass was not caught by either Chandler or Daniels. The fourth down reception off the Lufkin defender was made by Tre Sellari.


I was talking about the 2002 ,, 4th QT "Fade Pass" into the corner of the endzone that everyone in SLC says was a catch and everyone in Lufkin says was a drop.

[drgnbkr]

I was talking about the 2002 ,, 4th QT "Fade Pass" into the corner of the endzone that everyone in SLC says was a catch and everyone in Lufkin says was a drop.

I guess the impartial, objective, third party, said ..."Catch - Touchdown" That would be the ref.... :cool:

[Texasfrog]

I guess the impartial, objective, third party, said ..."Catch - Touchdown" That would be the ref.... :cool:

Its in the history books now.

[nsmustang]

AHH Yesss! Makes me feel good to see 03' Shore being talked about. KT is correct about them. They would have beat anyone that year- anyone. Yes their district was easy but... when it came to crunch time as in meeting and defeating an undefeated and number 1 offense in Pearland they easily held them to 7 points. First round playoff they destroyed another undefeated team- Clear Lake 52-0 and the rest is history as they handily beat everyone they met. The Woodlands game was never in doubt......

I Also would like to add the '85 Jack Yates Lions to that list. Memories are short going back that far but again, another team that crushed everyone in their path.

[dragonsdaddy]

the 02 team had no depth at wr the 4 that played were it, except for g rich who backed up every position. the 04 team had 7 players who contributed at the rec positions. both squads had their positives and some positions were stronger on one and both had charlie, but the 04 team had his spirit pulling them thru the tough situations. they were on a mission to win for him as they felt they had let him down in 03. i am way too close to too many of the combatants to opinionate well on this subject.

[LPanther]

No question........
The 1973 15-0 John Tyler Lions led by Earl Campbell.
That team also featured DL Gary Don Johnson (Colts), TE Ronnie Lee (Dolphins), and Earl's twin brothers Tim and Steve at outside linebackers. Now, just as back then, there's not a team alive who could stop Campbell, who was a man among boys. On the way to the title JT defeated an unbeaten Conroe team, and Arlington Heights, who was led by former Oiler and Cowboy WR Mike Renfro.

[dada]

No question........
The 1973 15-0 John Tyler Lions led by Earl Campbell.
That team also featured DL Gary Don Johnson (Colts), TE Ronnie Lee (Dolphins), and Earl's twin brothers Tim and Steve at outside linebackers. Now, just as back then, there's not a team alive who could stop Campbell, who was a man among boys. On the way to the title JT defeated an unbeaten Conroe team, and Arlington Heights, who was led by former Oiler and Cowboy WR Mike Renfro.


Was Tyler 5A back then?

[ktchamp97]

No doubt, that had to be one heck of a team, but we were mostly talking 5A, which wasn't started until '80.

[LPanther]

My mistake. What was the top classification at that time?

[dragonsdaddy]

tyler was 4a state champ. 5a came along in 80.

[Go Chaps]

One team stands out above the rest.
North Shore - only way to describe them , DOMINANT

2nd - SLC last year

As good as any other,
Westlake 96 when Drew Brees was QB.
But then again I am biased.

[Texasfrog]

One team stands out above the rest.
North Shore - only way to describe them , DOMINANT

2nd - SLC last year

As good as any other,
Westlake 96 when Drew Brees was QB.
But then again I am biased.


The 96 Austin Westlake team was extremely good. They had some very sound athletes on that team.

Watching them play against Abilene Cooper and Dominic Rhodes in that State title game was pretty impressive. That game was the tail of two halfs from what I remember.

The more I think about it. That 2003 North Shore team was GREAT.

[farmerfan]

Would have loved for Lewisville and Westlake to get the chance to meet in 96, we shut down Marcus that year which had been the best passing program in the state for many years, so I think we would have fared well against Westlake, still would have been a game I would have loved to seen.

[Alamo_Mojo]

1972 Odessa Permian (14-0)

1985 Houston Yates (16-0).

1989 Odessa Permian (16-0).

1999 Midland Lee team (15-0).

2003 Galena Park N.S. (15-0).

[AHS Mustangs]

Many seem to forget the 1990 small school Champion Aldine Mustangs. They manhandled nearly everyone they played that year. Beating the powerful Kingwood, Elsik and BT Washington, and even beating Mission with their awesome. Finally beating Arlington Lamar in the Championship game 27-10.

[SWTAlumni]

Tyler John Tyler 1994 16-0 how many times do i have to say it?

[implacable44]

it probably doesnt matter how many times you say it - the consensus seems to be North Shore 2003. You seem to be the lone John Tyler fan and I am the Lone Judson fan.

[jrdaniel]

even beating Mission with their awesome QB Drew Tate
There have been two Drew Tate quarterbacks? The only one I knew of was from Baytown Lee a couple of years ago.

[AHS Mustangs]

Sorry, I got confused, I was so use to hearing his name that he came into my head. Now I can't remember his name, but him and his brother both played there and they are in the pros now. Please forgive me.

[Eagle81]

Warbird...your selling your team short by saying Carroll was lucky....Abilene played a heck of a game and just came up a little short....great season for AHS but the State trophy is in Southlake because the Dragons had a little more than everyone else....thats all there is between the quarterfinalists on...just a little bit....

That my friend is exactly right. I don't think AHS has anything to be ashamed of and Carroll did have a little more when it needed it. In my own opinion, AHS was probably the second best team in the state last year. And I doubt you'll here many Carroll people say much different.

[Eagle81]

I'm going to give some respect to the 1985 Houston Yates team that went (16-0) as one of the best Texas 5A State champs.

1985 Houston Yates (16-0).

1988 Dallas Carter (14-0-1).

1989 Odessa Permian (16-0).

1999 Midland Lee team (15-0).

2002 SLC team (16-0).

2003 Galena Park N.S. (15-0).

It's hard to pick among those teams. You cant go wrong with the 2003 GPNS team. They were big and fast and very skilled.

Switch Permian and Carter and that's pretty much how I see it. But of course you can't deny the team of the century which was deducted by people outside of Abilene.

[jrdaniel]

Sorry, I got confused, I was so use to hearing his name that he came into my head. Now I can't remember his name, but him and his brother both played there and they are in the pros now. Please forgive me.
You're probably thinking of the Detmers, Ty and Koy. I think Ty was at BYU in 1990 so it must have been Koy that year. Both played in a system built by their father geared towards their passing prowess I believe. VERY similar situation to Drew Tate now that I think of it.

[Eagle81]

As I have read thru this thread, I have to say everyone has thrown out some incredible teams. Most of which I remeber. I had forgotten about so many of them. Austin Westlakes team that destroyed Abilene Cooper. That was truly a case of extreme depth vs a great first team. It just seemed when Westlake went to their bench there was practically no drop off in talent. Whereas when the Coogs had to give their starters a rest the talent dropped off significantly.

I still contend the best high school team I've seen was the '85 Yates team.

[The Great Evaluator]

One team not mentioned as of yet would be the 1988 Carter Cowboys. Often forgotten in this type
of discussion but for those who saw them play will never forget the dominant defense led by 3 time
all american Jessie Armstead.

Their opponents were thoroughly overmatched and even a good Converse Judson team couldn't come
close to stopping them.

For a look back click on this link -

http://www.insidehighschoolfootball.com/carter.htm

Then decide for yourself!

[Texasfrog]

You're probably thinking of the Detmers, Ty and Koy. I think Ty was at BYU in 1990 so it must have been Koy that year. Both played in a system built by their father geared towards their passing prowess I believe. VERY similar situation to Drew Tate now that I think of it.


Ya, Ty Detmer played HS ball in San Antonio. Then went to BYU and won the Heisman trophy.

Koy Detmer went to Mission HS because he dad moved down there to coach. Of coarse he went to Colorado and now is the back-up at the Philly Eagles.

Drew Tate (Baytown Lee & Iowa) is very similiar to the Detmer brothers in his size and ability. Heck , they could all pass for brothers.

The best QB I've seen in Texas over the last 20 years is Rhett Bomar. That kid could pass for John Elways younger brother with his skills.

[Purple Haze]

One team not mentioned as of yet would be the 1988 Carter Cowboys. Often forgotten in this type of discussion but for those who saw them play will never forget the dominant defense led by 3 time all american Jessie Armstead.Their opponents were thoroughly overmatched and even a good Converse Judson team couldn't come close to stopping them.

I didn't watch the video link but I remember that team well. The Red Storm was as physically intimidating a team as you will ever see in high school football IMHO. Plain scary. I am a big fan of tough defense so I would give the title of "best" 5A state champion to 3 teams (in a tie): 1988 Dallas Carter, 1985 Houston Yates and the 1989 Permian Panther team that outscored their opponents 620-97 over 16 games. :cool:

[Katyexrb29]

It was Eric Konesheck who made that catch against Madison, but you are correct in calling it "insane." Kaspar was an excellent QB. Jamel is going to start at CB this year for UNT.

That 2000 team was the best Katy team, but they would have had all kinds of trouble with '03 NS.

I think we could of taken them. ;) With Wallace and me in the backfield to boot. lol Kidding :p !!!! A White running back and a Qb that barely tipped five foot tall. Again kidding. I hope he's not reading this.

[biki1121]

Don't know if some of you weren't old enough or just never saw them, but 85 Yates is the best. Lots of other great teams in recent years but Yates was the complete package. Stellar O, Monster D, truly special team with great athletes, coaching, discipline and a desire for excellence. Yates is on several "all-time" national HS list by various groups.

[Big Daddy Cool]

I didn;t get to see them play - Where are some of their players now ? What colleges are they playing for ?


Here's a list of where some of that team ended up going :

- Bug Aymond for Stephen F. Austin University
- Chris Bocard for Stephen F. Austin University
- Terald Clark for Blinn Jr. College
- Chester Behert for Sam Houston State University
- Stephen James for Oklahoma State University
- Courtney Lane for Tyler Jr. College
- Justin McNeese for University of Texas - El Paso
- Norman Mingo for Kilgore Jr. College
- Robert Reid for Oklahoma State University
- Shane Richburg for U.S. Air Force Academy
- Charles Robinson for Stephen F. Austin University
- Tyrel Williams for Stephen F. Austin University


Bobby Reid would have been the starting QB for Oklahoma last season if he had not gotten injured in the final spring game.

[TheDuke]

Do you think Reid will start this season? In a NCAA mag. I was reading says Woods isn't gonna give it up very easily!

[implacable44]

88 carter was mentioned on like the first page.

[pack0808]

Here's a list of where some of that team ended up going :

- Bug Aymond for Stephen F. Austin University
- Chris Bocard for Stephen F. Austin University
- Terald Clark for Blinn Jr. College
- Chester Behert for Sam Houston State University
- Stephen James for Oklahoma State University
- Courtney Lane for Tyler Jr. College
- Justin McNeese for University of Texas - El Paso
- Norman Mingo for Kilgore Jr. College
- Robert Reid for Oklahoma State University
- Shane Richburg for U.S. Air Force Academy
- Charles Robinson for Stephen F. Austin University
- Tyrel Williams for Stephen F. Austin University


Bobby Reid would have been the starting QB for Oklahoma last season if he had not gotten injured in the final spring game.



that is still very suprising the ns03 team had only 3 div1a signees?? lufkin had 7 that year and lamarqe had 9!! did it have to do with grades??

[CCHS77]

88 carter was mentioned on like the first page.

implacable,

How you coming on your bet?

[dragonsdaddy]

an informal review shows the 03 gpns first and a slew of others including carter, slc, and yates coming in second.

[Texasfrog]

[QUOTE=SWTAlumni] Hey, SWT. I know we've talked about Joffrey Reynolds before.. He had a pretty good 1st week in the CFL (Calgary).

RUSHING No. Yds Avg TD
J.Reynolds 15 107 7.1 0

Not bad.. He'll probably have a great season (if he stays healthy). Still look for him to have a few NFL seasons before its all over.

He was the real deal when he played "RB" for Tyler Lee.

[StormingCowboy]

Dave Campbells said 85 Yates for #1.

and it also said that Carter could get no consideration because of the forfeit, which really meant that they did have them in mind as one of the best or it would've never been brought up!! Right??

[implacable44]

what bet? I hope I am winning -

[CCHS77]

I bet there will be more SLC nominees than any other. I say Judson 93


You started this thread!!

[Red Raiders]

Well don't you see Galena Park North Shore? they have never been so close in 2003 and even beaten #1 The Woodlands 20-7. They were too good to beat any teams. Oh and I remember that they beat some team 82-0 in 2003 too and thats like the most points I ever seen.

[pack0808]

it might have something to do with their 56-14 loss to spring westfield last year in the playoffs?? they deserve all of the credit in the world considering their record is 49-3 in the last 4 years though.

[implacable44]

well can i count all the greenblood nominations more than once ? - I mean can the same poster's vote be counted more than one time since they mentioned it several times ? between the 02 and 04 teams I gotta be doing pretty well. I mean you could start any thread on this board with best .... and somehow a greenblood will be named - best qb ever - slc - best deep snapper -- slc... best mascot ...slc -- best gatorade....slc - I will tally these up - I probably am losing but not by much.

[dragons08]

well can i count all the greenblood nominations more than once ? - I mean can the same poster's vote be counted more than one time since they mentioned it several times ? between the 02 and 04 teams I gotta be doing pretty well. I mean you could start any thread on this board with best .... and somehow a greenblood will be named - best qb ever - slc - best deep snapper -- slc... best mascot ...slc -- best gatorade....slc - I will tally these up - I probably am losing but not by much.
i havent had any gatorade from the school, only from the vending machine, so i cant tell you if its the best or not, and since when do people have green blood? i always thought everybody had red :D

[Fleeman93]

i havent had any gatorade from the school, only from the vending machine, so i cant tell you if its the best or not, and since when do people have green blood? i always thought everybody had red :D

That's right Dragons08, Katy Red! I have watched some very good Katy teams over the years and I would still have to say that none have come close to the talent and skill level of the 03' North Shore team. To me it looked like they were just toying with a very very good Woodlands team in the championship game. I can say without a doubt that they had the best defense I have ever seen on a high school football field.

[Big Daddy Cool]

Do you think Reid will start this season? In a NCAA mag. I was reading says Woods isn't gonna give it up very easily!

Last I heard the job was to be decided during the spring. While Woods did a pretty good job last season. Let's no forget he was a reciever playing QB. Where as Bobby is a true quaterback and as anyoen who saw him play know he can do special things with the ball in his hands.

that is still very suprising the ns03 team had only 3 div1a signees?? lufkin had 7 that year and lamarqe had 9!! did it have to do with grades??

I'm sure grades did come into play for a few of them. Though you have to also take into consideration the size of some of them. They didn't all have D1 size.

[BigFanSLC]

well can i count all the greenblood nominations more than once ? - I mean can the same poster's vote be counted more than one time since they mentioned it several times ? between the 02 and 04 teams I gotta be doing pretty well. I mean you could start any thread on this board with best .... and somehow a greenblood will be named - best qb ever - slc - best deep snapper -- slc... best mascot ...slc -- best gatorade....slc - I will tally these up - I probably am losing but not by much.


You would do the same thing if at your school everyone had talent....... you mean to tell me if you went to SLC you wouldn't say something about them in a post that had to do with them someway, for example if SLC did actually have the best deep snapper.... SLC people just take pride in being the best and are usually provoked with a comment in a thread just like yours.... SLC not only thinks they are the best in every categorie, they know. :D

[dragonsdaddy]

i'm believing our rocket pal has the same convictions there fro. he comes from a longer pedigree than you and yours, and it is somewhat galling to have us finally escape with a state title without big brother jud leading the way. he'll get over it, but not without some little lack of peace and quiet.

[CCHS77]

i'm believing our rocket pal has the same convictions there fro. he comes from a longer pedigree than you and yours, and it is somewhat galling to have us finally escape with a state title without big brother jud leading the way. he'll get over it, but not without some little lack of peace and quiet.

DD,

What's worse, is that he moves to Keller and has to hear about the green success, over and over.

Poor guy!

[dragonsdaddy]

the weight is not too much for him to handle, me thinks.

[Fleeman93]

I'm wondering what Dragon fans think as to their different units over the last three years. In other words rank each unit best to worst(actually none of them were bad). Give me offense, defense, special teams, and overall team if you will.

[dragonsdaddy]

someone not quite so intimate with these 3 teams would be more objective. i'll pass.

[SV05champs]

I would say the Midland Lee Rebels, when Benson was there... How many did they win in a row? 3

[Red Raiders]

I would say the Midland Lee Rebels, when Benson was there... How many did they win in a row? 3

0 :)

[SV05champs]

I'm wondering what Dragon fans think as to their different units over the last three years. In other words rank each unit best to worst(actually none of them were bad). Give me offense, defense, special teams, and overall team if you will.


I can give you special teams from the last years team now, LAST. It was hard to watch punts..

[dragonsdaddy]

i have to agree in general with that observation. our kickoff coverage teams didn't do a great job either, which put a lot of pressure on the defense. we gave the opposing teams better field position than any team i've ever witnessed.i wish someone had stats as to how many fewer yards teams had to go for points last year than in years past. i'm betting it was fewer than almost any team in the state. however our kicking game was money in the bank.

[pack4life]

i have to agree in general with that observation. our kickoff coverage teams didn't do a great job either, which put a lot of pressure on the defense. we gave the opposing teams better field position than any team i've ever witnessed.i wish someone had stats as to how many fewer yards teams had to go for points last year than in years past. i'm betting it was fewer than almost any team in the state. however our kicking game was money in the bank.


No offense, but i can't argue with that. Deandre Wallace returned one i think 63 yds against SLC to start off the 2nd half in the state semifinal game. I think that was key to Lufkin getting back into the game. It set us up in J.Lane range for the score and it got the crowd back into it.

[dragonsdaddy]

just using the lp game as an example, what would you think was the average starting field position? i would bet it was inside our end of the field. to hold a team like the pack to 30 with such short fields was a credit to our defense. i know we had 2 very short punts and the long ko return. except for the long pass, were there any scoring drives over 30 yds? the int late in the half put you in the hole and almost cost a score.

[pack4life]

I know there were at least one scoring drive, because Dez Bryants 2nd touchdown catch was over 30yds (to tie the game). But we definetly had a short field a lot of the time. On Lps kickoff returns, they were always about one tackle away from breaking it open.

[SV05champs]

0 :)

1998, 1999, 2000 Did you say they won 0?

[implacable44]

Again I have no envy - I am just a realist. I went to COnverse Judson and until you rack up that level of tradition and excellence at SLC - well I dont think we need to compare school pedigrees just yet. 3 years in 5A doesn't measure up. Wait a while and lets see how SLC does. Again SLC is striving to establish what Judson is.

[dragonsdaddy]

from a 5a point of view, only plano and permian can touch coju's records. and since this is a 5a site, that is certainly acceptable. teams that only recently have become 5a and thus cannot have the numbers, like katy and slc are not really on the outside looking in, they are just having to go on recent successes for their pleasures. at least from plano's and mojo's perspective, they would love to have what kt and slc are now enjoying.

is there a site with records for 50 and 100 games, or is it by year and by decade?

[drgnbkr]

Again I have no envy - I am just a realist. I went to COnverse Judson and until you rack up that level of tradition and excellence at SLC - well I dont think we need to compare school pedigrees just yet. 3 years in 5A doesn't measure up. Wait a while and lets see how SLC does. Again SLC is striving to establish what Judson is.

Was.....

[implacable44]

was? Judson won state not too long ago - lest you forgot and last year they had the team to win again but got beat. They will be back again this year. Even if it "was" like you say -- it is still more than SLC is and probably will ever be.

[dragonsdaddy]

plano had 3 state titles tarnished by their lack of students, as did slc. without chasing down the records, are there any other schools that have won multiple titles in multiple classifications? westlake may have.

[drgnbkr]

was? Judson won state not too long ago - lest you forgot and last year they had the team to win again but got beat. They will be back again this year. Even if it "was" like you say -- it is still more than SLC is and probably will ever be.

Somehow these discussions drift toward put downs..I don't imply anything..Judson has had an admirable run..Carroll is on one....as is Katy, Lufkin & SV

[dragonsdaddy]

i hope it doesn't happen, because the cream of texas hs football has always had its magnates which includes coju, but how will the rockets fans fare with potential mediocrity with the new school coming on line? mojo and plano have paved the way, but it still looks pretty rocky to me. i can't imagine a po sked without those 3, though 2 have been absent lately. it wouldn't be the same.

[v2the4]

The most dominating 5A state title team was the 1985 Jack Yates Lions of the Houston ISD. They were heads and shoulders better than any team in Texas that year, and proved it by outscoring their oppnents something like 550-60 that year, and had four playoff shutouts, including a through destructing of Odessa Permian 37-0 in the state championship game. That has been the only shutout in 5A title history to date.

[Texasfrog]

The most dominating 5A state title team was the 1985 Jack Yates Lions of the Houston ISD. They were heads and shoulders better than any team in Texas that year, and proved it by outscoring their oppnents something like 550-60 that year, and had four playoff shutouts, including a through destructing of Odessa Permian 37-0 in the state championship game. That has been the only shutout in 5A title history to date.

That Yates team was very special.. RB-Johnny Bailey is one of the most underappreciated RB's to come out of Texas. He went on to have a nice college career at Texas A&I ( couple of Walter Payton Tropies) and had about 5 solid seasons in the NFL as a 3rd down back and special teams player. He was dang good. That Yates team had a few more players that played in the NFL also. They were solid. :)

[Shoot2thrill]

The most dominating 5A state title team was the 1985 Jack Yates Lions of the Houston ISD. They were heads and shoulders better than any team in Texas that year, and proved it by outscoring their oppnents something like 550-60 that year, and had four playoff shutouts, including a through destructing of Odessa Permian 37-0 in the state championship game. That has been the only shutout in 5A title history to date.

Actually there has been at least one other shutout in 5A title history and it was more recent. Back in 1998, Midland Lee destroyed San Antonio MacArthur 54-0 winning their first of three consecutive titles. ;) I do agree with you about the Yates team though. :cool:

[dada]

Actually there has been at least one other shutout in 5A title history and it was more recent. Back in 1998, Midland Lee destroyed San Antonio MacArthur 54-0 winning their first of three consecutive titles. ;) I do agree with you about the Yates team though. :cool:

LOL...Can we count that? Isnt that the year Katy got the news that they were disqualified while they were getting on the bus? SA MacAuthur had already turned in all there equipment thinking the season was over..then all of a sudden...HEY, you're going to state. lol

I actually saw that Yates team...I was like 11 years old so it's kind of fuzzy, but I do remember Bailey and thinking to myself "Highschool players are BIG"

I've looked all over the net for weeks and I can't find much on Yates. I wanted to see some of the scores from that year. I don't remember but I THINK I saw them play Lamar....I could be wrong.

[Shoot2thrill]

I've looked all over the net for weeks and I can't find much on Yates. I wanted to see some of the scores from that year. I don't remember but I THINK I saw them play Lamar....I could be wrong.

They did not play Lamar that year. Look at page 191 of the 2005 Dave Campbell Football guide and it will give you all the scores from that 1985 team. I'll tell you what, Houston Jones played them tough TWICE that year. ;)

[dada]

They did not play Lamar that year. Look at page 191 of the 2005 Dave Campbell Football guide and it will give you all the scores from that 1985 team. I'll tell you what, Houston Jones played them tough TWICE that year. ;)
Told you my memory was fuzzy. :) Is the Dave Campell magazine worth the money? Guess I have to go get it. A co-worker of mine(a little older) just told me they outsored opponets in the playoffs something like 205-28. Did they play Kashmere that year....I just remember them playing a team in red.

[SLCDad]

Implacable44 writes: "was? Judson won state not too long ago - lest you forgot and last year they had the team to win again but got beat. They will be back again this year. Even if it "was" like you say -- it is still more than SLC is and probably will ever be."

I couldn't help but respond to this.

SLC's 47-1 record in 5A is unmatched by anyone. SLC is the only exemplary academic full size district in Texas. It also holds the two highest total scores ever recorded in the UIL Lone Star Cup. Not to mention 5 state football championships and about 20 other state championships. SLC has only been BIG for three years but they've been GREAT for decades.

Yes, Judson has an outstanding tradition but SLC's tradition is second to none.

[drgnbkr]

Amen, brother! We don't apologize for winning! 3 decades of championships says it all....

[implacable44]

SLC's tradition is second to none ? according to ......SLC.
Being that this is a 5a forum well and SLC has been 5a for only three years that is thier 5a tradition. Now saying your entire tradition is second to none is your opinion.

How is SLC the only exemplary district in the state? I am not familiar with this but what about highland park ?

How long has the UIL cup been around - didn't it begin in 1997 ? Doesn't it encompass a lot of events that some schools don't have the budget for like SLC enjoys.

SLC is no Judson -- not yet. SLC is second to many.

[dragonsdaddy]

slc is the only 5a school and it seems to me the only traditional hs in the state. there are a couple of magnet schools and maybe some 1a schools. i don't remember the exact makeup. hp didn't stay exemplary this go round for some reason. you belittle everything non-5a in one sentence, then refute a comment with 4a hp the next. which will it be? btw, since none of us know, what was coju's record their 1st 3 years in the big school classification? since we can't compare with the "real" big boys in length of tooth, give us some stats on first 5 or so years in 5a. seems i remember coju didn't take long to get adjusted. plano moved up in 72 and won district 4 yrs in a row, then skipped and then won state followed by another trip to the finals.

[implacable44]

I didn't belittle anything - I stated a fact - this message board is titled -- I know you can read with that exemplary education -- so I will let you just read it.

as far as Ricket Pride and 5a --well 1980 was the first year but if I recall the playoffs were very different in 1980 than the present for, - I think only one team from the city was allowed to go to the playoffs- could be wrong though - Judson went to 5th round of the playoffs in 82 and lost to eventual state champ Westbrook - and in 83 Judson won state with Chris Pryor beating Midland Lee 25-21.

[SLCDad]

SLC is no Judson -- not yet. SLC is second to many.

SLC is no Judson? Hardly. :p

(My apologies for getting a bit testy here. :mad: :mad: )

Perhaps he's just jealous because Judson being in 5A for many years never did what SLC has done in 3 years in 5A. 47-1 over a 3 year period? Nope. National Championship? Nope.

Undefeated seasons are nothing new to SLC. I count five 16-0 seasons for SLC over the last 25 years and many other 1 loss seasons.

Talk about tradition, did I forget to mention the all-time Texas High School football regular season winning streak? SLC didn't lose in 7+ straight seasons in the late 80's and early 90's. That incredible success has simply continued in 5A.

Sorry he doesn't know much about exemplary academic ratings but SLC is alone at the top. Highland Park was very close but didn't make it. At SLC 99% of the students graduate and 95% go on to college. That's what tradition is really about. Shall we compare SAT scores?

Yeah, the UIL Lone Star Cup may have only been around for less than 10 years, but SLC holds the two highest point totals ever given in any classification and finished ahead of Judson EVERY year. Judson didn't even make the list this year. SLC's achievement is based NOT on sports that other schools don't have. It was achieved from championships in football, baseball, cross country, swimming, golf, academic decathalon, one-act play, etc., etc. I assume Judson competes in these?

I realize that Implacable44 seems to think that 5A football is all that counts. Perhaps if we define the world as "this board" he is right.

However, before he disrespects another school he had better take the blinders off and realize that some schools (like SLC and others) have a stronger tradition and have achieved much more when all things are considered.

The mantra "5A football! 5A football! Woof! Woof! Woof!" doesn't cut it with me when it comes to excellence, tradition, and respect. :cool:

Many of the posters on this board come from schools that have earned the right to be equally as proud!

[southlake thug]

damn straight

[Shoot2thrill]

Told you my memory was fuzzy. :) Is the Dave Campell magazine worth the money? Guess I have to go get it. A co-worker of mine(a little older) just told me they outsored opponets in the playoffs something like 205-28. Did they play Kashmere that year....I just remember them playing a team in red.

No they did not play Kashmere either. Their opponents were in order: (All Houston teams of course) Washington, West Brook, Worthing, Austin, Milby, Madison, Sterling, Davis, Jones (twice), Wheatley, Sam Houston, Spring Woods. The last 2 were playoff opponents. Then they beat West Orange Stark, San Antonio Holmes and Odessa Permian. Your memory wasn't so bad on the playoff scoring though: Yates- 209..Opponents-28 :eek: :eek: .

[ALLSTAR]

SLC is way better than judson, in everything... even in a brawl, southlake would whoop ace

[Shoot2thrill]

SLC is way better than judson, in everything... even in a brawl, southlake would whoop ace

Why don't you try and sound a little more like a homer?? :rolleyes:

[nsmustang]

If you look at the 5A title appearances you will see Judson has an impressive record. I want to say they have been to the 5A title game more than anyone else. SLC has not been in 5A long and could very well surpass them but only time will tell. Kingwood has won the Governers cup several times. This includes titles in all sports and acedemics for the school year.. I know, I know, SLC is the best in everything....

[pack0808]

slc actually struggled a little in 4a so they have not been dominant in every classification.

[dada]

No they did not play Kashmere either. Their opponents were in order: (All Houston teams of course) Washington, West Brook, Worthing, Austin, Milby, Madison, Sterling, Davis, Jones (twice), Wheatley, Sam Houston, Spring Woods. The last 2 were playoff opponents. Then they beat West Orange Stark, San Antonio Holmes and Odessa Permian. Your memory wasn't so bad on the playoff scoring though: Yates- 209..Opponents-28 :eek: :eek: .
DANG IT!!!!!!!!!!! I just remember the color red. Washington is Blue and Gold,I think West Brook MAY have had red in their uniforms then,Worthing is gold and green, Austin is black and green, Milby blue and gold. Madison has the old Oilers uniforms with a little red in it, Sterling was blue and grey, Davis was purple..so was Wheatly..Jones was black and gold...this sucks..is my memory that bad? Maybe it was a scrimage game...lol

[implacable44]

All Star - you are just stupid - SLC wouldn't have a prayer in a brawl in the words of sean connery - you punks would bring a knife to a gun fight. pansies

SLC dad -nobody said the world revolves around 5a but that is what this message board is - 5a football. Now if you want to bring success stories in from alumni and SAT scores (which dont really matter) college degrees - current positions than we can research that and see. As far as tradition goes - Judson is rich in tradition in every sport.

[dragonsdaddy]

i guess relative to 5a successes, we did struggle, however the last five years we went 3 deep, 5 deep 4 deep and 5 deep, losing to 2 state champs along the way. under most situations, that is fairly good. with any offensive coachiing skills we beat stephenville in 98, and win it all. oh well thank goodness he is just a dark memory.

[farmerfan]

sounds to me like a Judson fan is a little worried that a 4th school is on its way to claim its stake as a legendary 5A football program. I find it interesting that he is blasting so hard on Carroll but yet Plano and Permian fans have nothing but admiration for what carroll has done. If only the Dragons and Rockets had the chance to meet on the field in 02.

[SLCDad]

SLC dad -nobody said the world revolves around 5a but that is what this message board is - 5a football. Now if you want to bring success stories in from alumni and SAT scores (which dont really matter) college degrees - current positions than we can research that and see. As far as tradition goes - Judson is rich in tradition in every sport.

I responded when YOU said "SLC is no Judson". The facts are that since SLC has grown to 5A size and competed in the same class as Judson, SLC has clearly achieved more success in 5A football, all-around athletics and academics. Not only that SLC has done things on the football field that Judson has never done. I'd suggest you think twice before you disrespect another school again. If Judson ever gets back to their old glory days then I'll be first in line to applaud.

[implacable44]

SLC has not acheived more success than Judson SLC dad - I know you can count. 3 years of 5a football does not measure up to the 20+ years and continuous championships. Now you might have meant that they acheived more in their frist 3 years of 5A than Judson did and I agree. SLC is a good program with alot of money to throw around on that program. Judson has done things on the football field that SLC has never done. - I wish they would have met on the football field too and I am not jealous of anyone - I frequently applaud SLC and the program - that will not be as much when Mckay graduates but then Lil Jacobsen will soon follow and I will cheer him on as well.

[Texasfrog]

SLC has not acheived more success than Judson SLC dad - I know you can count. 3 years of 5a football does not measure up to the 20+ years and continuous championships. Now you might have meant that they acheived more in their frist 3 years of 5A than Judson did and I agree. SLC is a good program with alot of money to throw around on that program. Judson has done things on the football field that SLC has never done. - I wish they would have met on the football field too and I am not jealous of anyone - I frequently applaud SLC and the program - that will not be as much when Mckay graduates but then Lil Jacobsen will soon follow and I will cheer him on as well.


I think from the mid 80's to the mid 90's.. Judson and Plano High had the largest enrollments in Texas.. which almost doubled many other Texas 5A's. That helps out alot when you have twice as many athletes as most other schools.

I'll have to look it up ..but I know for about 12 or so years Judson had some LARGE numbers.

[jrdaniel]

If Judson ever gets back to their old glory days then I'll be first in line to applaud.
We left the glory days? Shoot this must be what Ike felt after losing in the semi's all those years. Get a title, have a 2 district loss season, come back to a semi appearance = past the glory days.

SLC has done what Judson never did in winning as proficiently in a 3 year span. It looks like that streak won't die anytime soon also. In terms of tradition at the 5a level there are only a few schools that can compare with Judson and those don't include SLC...yet. I am sure if Coach Dodge stays at SLC they will be in that group before long.

[implacable44]

a large student body does not equal success on the football field.

[pack0808]

no disrespect to judson but i think the slc 02 team would have had their way with the judson 02 team. just my opinion and i am certainly not biased either way. both programs are great and there is no denying that!! didn't they play some similar teams during the 02 year that might have given an indication?? well i know cooper won district 3 in 02 right?? and slc hammered cooper in a big way in the playoffs i am pretty sure. midland was 2nd in district 3 to cooper right?? well it took a miracle play at the end of the game for judson to beat midland that year as we all know. you never know what will happen until two teams meet head to head but i have a feeling the slc02 team would have beat the judson02 team by a couple of td's at least. you never know though and it is kind of pointless to try and predict.

[SV05champs]

Everyone has their good days (years) and bad days. SLC as well as SV are new schools that are doing well. It could end for either one at any time, and then come back up again. I also disagree about SLC's tradition second to none. With tradition comes time. I am only in my mid 20's and I remember a time when you guys were just a little 3A school.




Implacable44 writes: "was? Judson won state not too long ago - lest you forgot and last year they had the team to win again but got beat. They will be back again this year. Even if it "was" like you say -- it is still more than SLC is and probably will ever be."

I couldn't help but respond to this.

SLC's 47-1 record in 5A is unmatched by anyone. SLC is the only exemplary academic full size district in Texas. It also holds the two highest total scores ever recorded in the UIL Lone Star Cup. Not to mention 5 state football championships and about 20 other state championships. SLC has only been BIG for three years but they've been GREAT for decades.

Yes, Judson has an outstanding tradition but SLC's tradition is second to none.

[SV05champs]

A lot like SLC back in their 3A days?


I think from the mid 80's to the mid 90's.. Judson and Plano High had the largest enrollments in Texas.. which almost doubled many other Texas 5A's. That helps out alot when you have twice as many athletes as most other schools.

I'll have to look it up ..but I know for about 12 or so years Judson had some LARGE numbers.

[implacable44]

pack -

nice circular logic - I tried that already with the '04 teams well Judson pounded SV and SLC needed a miracle field goal and a bad series by SV to win that game so based on that logic the '04 Rockets would have pounded the Dragons and we didnt even win state.

[SLCDad]

I am only in my mid 20's and I remember a time when you guys were just a little 3A school.

You can only play the team lined up across the field. SLC was winning more games than anyone in Texas in all classifications when they were "a little 3A school". I remember when Emmitt Smith and Michael Irvin came to a 3A SLC game. They wanted to see that amazing team play. That success continues today in 5A.

Most people have just begun to notice SLC. They are seeing something that we've known all along.

[pack0808]

i think i made it pretty clear that it was pointless to predict and that you never know until you play head to head?? i also said it was my opinion. fans always are going to look at that kind of stuff. i still think slc would have won by at least 2 td's and it is just my opinion. you might think the opposite and that is fine. i was not talking about 04 by the way. i think judson 04 vs slc 04 would have been a toss up?? i do not know who would have won that game?? it would have been very close!! i think the judson 04 team was much better then the judson 02 team. i think there was tougher competition in the div1 playoffs in 04. i mean that judson 02 team lost to waco in the reg season and survived many close games in their playoff run against teams like austin bowie and sa clark. do not get me wrong they are div1 champs and they deserved it but i feel the slc02 team would have had their way with the judson 02 team. lets try more circular logic in 02. slc absolutely hammered sv in 02 how did judson do against sv in 02?? just curious?? it is all besides the point now and both slc 02 and judson 02 were champions but it is july and there is nothing else to talk about. ;)

[CCHS77]

slc absolutely hammered sv in 02 how did judson do against sv in 02?? just curious??

Judson and SV were in different districts, in '02. Also Judson was a D1 rep and SV was D2 rep, so they didn't (obviously)meet in post season play.


But '02 SLC beats the '02 Rockets! (IMHO)


If my grandmother was the Abilene DC for the last 10 sec. of the D1 game, the rockets wouldn't have won. (IMHO) (I've been wanting to say that for 2 1/2 years, but was able to restrain myself! Untill today! Sorry)

[pack0808]

Judson and SV were in different districts, in '02. Also Judson was a D1 rep and SV was D2 rep, so they didn't (obviously)meet in post season play.


But '02 SLC beats the '02 Rockets! (IMHO)


If my grandmother was the Abilene DC for the last 10 sec. of the D1 game, the rockets wouldn't have won. (IMHO) (I've been wanting to say that for 2 1/2 years, but was able to restrain myself! Untill today! Sorry)


well that answers my question regardless thanks.

[implacable44]

is that why they went out there? I thought they went out there kind of for the same reason newton and saldi do--- you know they are supporting thier kids and their teammates/ex teammates kids. I remember when Shaq went to a Judson game but that was because he lived in San Antonio or did he want to see the greatness of the Rockets?

[CCHS77]

is that why they went out there? I thought they went out there kind of for the same reason newton and saldi do--- you know they are supporting thier kids and their teammates/ex teammates kids. I remember when Shaq went to a Judson game but that was because he lived in San Antonio or did he want to see the greatness of the Rockets?


There were no current or ex-NFL player kids at SLC when they were 3A.

[jrdaniel]

If my grandmother was the Abilene DC for the last 10 sec. of the D1 game, the rockets wouldn't have won. (IMHO) (I've been wanting to say that for 2 1/2 years, but was able to restrain myself! Untill today! Sorry)
It's okay, it'll feel good to get it out, although you might want to complain about the Midland DC not the Abilene DC as he was on vacation already. Judson had their brain fart on defense right before that but no one remembers because of the next 17 seconds of the game. We had the lead and just needed to hold them before time expired. Somehow a Midland WR got into the endzone with NO defenders within 10-15 yards. It was just as much of a gaffe as that miracle TD pass, if not more so.

Judson fans know the sting of a late loss in a title game that was in their hands also. That '98 Duncanville game was there for Judson's taking a couple of times.

[dragonsdaddy]

i agree jr, it was almost the last guy not to jump on the bayonet was going to not lose. both defenses had big lapses late in that game.

[CCHS77]

It's okay, it'll feel good to get it out, although you might want to complain about the Midland DC not the Abilene DC as he was on vacation already.


MY bad!



I've said the same thing about the '98 Dragon DC! (privately)

[dragonsdaddy]

and the dragon hc publicly, at least by me.

[toonman]

I am not saying that SLC of 2004 is the best ever, but they certainly had a difficult district schedule, which included a nationally ranked team - Denton Ryan. Then through the play-offs had Texas Top 10 ranked teams to play; Denton Ryan, Abilene and Lufkin. The fact that they won one, two or three games by few points is irrelevant. Great teams do what it takes to win; playing for the full 48 minutes, executing both offense and defense for 48 minutes; which is the result of the players being prepared to play by great coaching. Great teams are measured on performances against other great teams. Beating up other teams by a big score is not sign greatness. There are many great teams worthy of the status as "Best Ever'. SLC 2004 is certainly one of them.

[t00 playa]

the best 5A team ever... the bobby reid led North shore mustangs..... no doubt.

[SV05champs]

I agree, but this is 5A, and SLC has not dominated since the school opened. You want to know why SLC was winning? How long have you lived there? SLC was nothing not too long ago, then it began to grow, and grow, and grow. Very fast. Being the we only re-district every two years, at the end of the first year SLC was huge, by the end of that second year, it was only larger. When you guys were put in 3A, you were a 4A year by the end of the 2nd year, when you moved to 4A, you were a 5A team. Some of your 3A games you guys had 60 players on the field playing against schools that only had about 160 total studends in the JR and SR class, these "oppenents" that you played also had about half of their players playing on both offense and defense, when SLC had a O team, a D team, a kickoff team, a punt team, etc. This was a huge reason SLC has done so well early on. Now you guys are 5A, keep it up and then you can compare to schools like Judson, Permian, Lee, Katy, Westlake, and all the schools that have had winning records over a long period of time in class 5A. Example:

Last 25 years in the bowl game:

SLC- Been there 3 times, won 2
Midland Lee- Been there 4 times, won 3 (in a row)
Judson- Been there 9 times, won 6 times

Judson has been to the bowl game 6 times more than SLC, In a 12 year span Judson not only made it to the state game 7 times, but they won it almost half of the time. SO if SLC makes it to state 4 more times, and wins 2 more championships before 2014 they will prove they can be as consistant as teams like Judson. As for the fellow Dallas Cowboys going to the game, im not surprised. They have used SLC's weight room on a few occasions, maybe they stopped by after workouts because they like to watch football. Or maybe they were house shopping earlier that day. Friday is a good day for real estate agents. And we all know the cowboys move to that area...Just hope their success does not rub off on the mighty SLC dragons.


You can only play the team lined up across the field. SLC was winning more games than anyone in Texas in all classifications when they were "a little 3A school". I remember when Emmitt Smith and Michael Irvin came to a 3A SLC game. They wanted to see that amazing team play. That success continues today in 5A.

Most people have just begun to notice SLC. They are seeing something that we've known all along.

[dragonsdaddy]

sv05 runnerup, i don't know where to begin refuting such tripe as you type. your knowledge of history appears to be completely dependant on your imagination. slc won 3 titles in 3 in the 14 yrs they were 3a. there were 2 semifinal game with 2 losses in the 8 years in 4a. slc was and still is one of the smallest 5a schools, and will likely stay that way unless we are demoted in 2-4 years. are right, slc took 4 years to win their first district championship after opening in 66. they had limited success until coach ledbetter came here in the early 80's. so i guess you are right, they have only been going to the regional finals almost yearly(at least) since just before this years srs were born.

your post will go down as one of the stupidest and poorest researched post in the annals of 5afootballs history. please save electrons and keep your hallucinations to yourself next time.

[drgnbkr]

Kind of like a liberal sv05chump....when the facts don´t match your story, just make things up ......

[implacable44]

I dont know if it can be the stupidest post ever - I have seen some pretty sad ones -

[SLCDad]

You want to know why SLC was winning? How long have you lived there? SLC was nothing not too long ago, then it began to grow, and grow, and grow. Very fast. Being the we only re-district every two years, at the end of the first year SLC was huge, by the end of that second year, it was only larger. When you guys were put in 3A, you were a 4A year by the end of the 2nd year, when you moved to 4A, you were a 5A team. Some of your 3A games you guys had 60 players on the field playing against schools that only had about 160 total studends in the JR and SR class, these "oppenents" that you played also had about half of their players playing on both offense and defense, when SLC had a O team, a D team, a kickoff team, a punt team, etc. This was a huge reason SLC has done so well early on.

Is this a joke?

[pack0808]

sv05 runnerup, i don't know where to begin refuting such tripe as you type. your knowledge of history appears to be completely dependant on your imagination. slc won 3 titles in 3 in the 14 yrs they were 3a. there were 2 semifinal game with 2 losses in the 8 years in 4a. slc was and still is one of the smallest 5a schools, and will likely stay that way unless we are demoted in 2-4 years. are right, slc took 4 years to win their first district championship after opening in 66. they had limited success until coach ledbetter came here in the early 80's. so i guess you are right, they have only been going to the regional finals almost yearly(at least) since just before this years srs were born.

your post will go down as one of the stupidest and poorest researched post in the annals of 5afootballs history. please save electrons and keep your hallucinations to yourself next time.


lmao at saving electrons!! :D yeah he pretty much was as wrong as one could be on every point he made.

[SV05champs]

When you just scan the material, yea it may look like it. But every bit of it is true. Unless you guys see SLC is the best you dont really read the posts with an open mind. As my history has nothing to do with SLC's record in 3A or 4A, but I do know you didnt win it all every year. As for being small in 5A, yea, did I say they were not? They were always a large 3A and 4A school. I said nothing about winning a district championship. For a lot of teams that is a cakewalk. Some could do that with the second team in. I think you guys are one of those now in 5A, am I wrong? My post is an opinion and thats it. SLC fans are getting a big head, and until they match teams like Judson in 5A, they need to chill imo. Its funny how an opinion of someones about SLC gets so much negative posts when it is not praising them, and so many positive when it is. I have some other opinions about SLC, but I see you dont really read my posts when you realize its not what you want to be reading, so I will just drop it. Good luck this year.


sv05 runnerup, i don't know where to begin refuting such tripe as you type. your knowledge of history appears to be completely dependant on your imagination. slc won 3 titles in 3 in the 14 yrs they were 3a. there were 2 semifinal game with 2 losses in the 8 years in 4a. slc was and still is one of the smallest 5a schools, and will likely stay that way unless we are demoted in 2-4 years. are right, slc took 4 years to win their first district championship after opening in 66. they had limited success until coach ledbetter came here in the early 80's. so i guess you are right, they have only been going to the regional finals almost yearly(at least) since just before this years srs were born.

your post will go down as one of the stupidest and poorest researched post in the annals of 5afootballs history. please save electrons and keep your hallucinations to yourself next time.

[drgnbkr]

When you just scan the material, yea it may look like it. But every bit of it is true. Unless you guys see SLC is the best you dont really read the posts with an open mind. As my history has nothing to do with SLC's record in 3A or 4A, but I do know you didnt win it all every year. As for being small in 5A, yea, did I say they were not? They were always a large 3A and 4A school. I said nothing about winning a district championship. For a lot of teams that is a cakewalk. Some could do that with the second team in. I think you guys are one of those now in 5A, am I wrong? My post is an opinion and thats it. SLC fans are getting a big head, and until they match teams like Judson in 5A, they need to chill imo. Its funny how an opinion of someones about SLC gets so much negative posts when it is not praising them, and so many positive when it is. I have some other opinions about SLC, but I see you dont really read my posts when you realize its not what you want to be reading, so I will just drop it. Good luck this year.

Your hilarious sv05....get a clue and come back and play when you have one...no one from Carroll started this...you have everything completely wrong, as posters from the other schools have duly noted..we don´t even have to respond to your crap...but it is entertaining.. :)

[SV05champs]

Then dont. Everyone else-wrong, SLC-right. Nothing new. again, good luck this next year. Other schools? All but one was from SLC, but again, its over. Waste of my time to give opinions that do not fit into the SLC mindset. Later


Your hilarious sv05....get a clue and come back and play when you have one...no one from Carroll started this...you have everything completely wrong, as posters from the other schools have duly noted..we don´t even have to respond to your crap...but it is entertaining.. :)

[drgnbkr]

It was mostly posters from other areas that were pointing out the idiocy of your points..fortunately your Rangers are a little better equipped to play the game than you are to discuss it! Otherwise they'd never win a game!

[katyrecsquad6]

The 2000 Katy team is the greatest team ever lcheck the stats!!!

[SV05champs]

Funny to me, they all had dragon in their name, but like I said, you see what you want to see, not what is really there.


It was mostly posters from other areas that were pointing out the idiocy of your points..fortunately your Rangers are a little better equipped to play the game than you are to discuss it! Otherwise they'd never win a game!

[dragonsdaddy]

Being the we only re-district every two years, at the end of the first year SLC was huge, by the end of that second year, it was only larger. When you guys were put in 3A, you were a 4A year by the end of the 2nd year, when you moved to 4A, you were a 5A team. Some of your 3A games you guys had 60 players on the field playing against schools that only had about 160 total studends in the JR and SR class, these "oppenents" that you played also had about half of their players playing on both offense and defense, when SLC had a O team, a D team, a kickoff team, a punt team, etc. This was a huge reason SLC has done so well early on. Now you guys are 5A, keep it up and then you can compare to schools like Judson, Permian, Lee, Katy, Westlake, and all the schools that have had winning records over a long period of time in class 5A."

sv05, very little of what you regurgitated in this mess is true. if you want to refute what i wrote in my last post, please quote your sources. you are stating information as facts that are dead wrong and malicious besides. until you can prove anything of which you opine, everyone can be certain to disregard your statements of fiction. about the only accurate statement you have made is that thru the years slc has grown. even when we moved up to 5a we were and have continued to be in the bottom 20th percentile of school sizes. our growth has helped our programs by bring agressive, winning families but without the hard work by kids, coaches teachers and parents they would have been another mediocre suburb. relatively successful but earliy po losers. when you actually get a clue, you'll see that you have been in error, or maybe not.

[drgnbkr]

Funny to me, they all had dragon in their name, but like I said, you see what you want to see, not what is really there.

I stand by my quote that you wisely repeated for all to see!.... :D

[SV05champs]

Well, it looks like you got my point then. SLC grows very fast, and they have played many games prior to 4A against 3A teams that played both ways when SLC had a team for each area. Always fresh. The wins there were easy. As for 4A, still began to get larger and larger. Then in 5A it was SLC's time, everyone has these, and everyone loses them as well. I have a feeling that could be this year. If you really want me to get into the SLC issue, I can. Money, facilities, possible roids, just to name a few. SLC has had issues with all 3. However, I am not going to get into that, I will let the kids from the other teams deal with that on the field, I can already hear your excuses so dont waste your time typing them out, I probably will not read them anyway. I am not one of the bandwagon SLC people either, so I will put the bad in with the good about the school. Just think, this whole deal was to put in my opinion about SLC and your "tradition" you speak of in 5A football. All is good, and they are on a role, just dont ever put them above teams like Judson until they prove it will last. Peace out, Champs


QUOTE=dragonsdaddy]Being the we only re-district every two years, at the end of the first year SLC was huge, by the end of that second year, it was only larger. When you guys were put in 3A, you were a 4A year by the end of the 2nd year, when you moved to 4A, you were a 5A team. Some of your 3A games you guys had 60 players on the field playing against schools that only had about 160 total studends in the JR and SR class, these "oppenents" that you played also had about half of their players playing on both offense and defense, when SLC had a O team, a D team, a kickoff team, a punt team, etc. This was a huge reason SLC has done so well early on. Now you guys are 5A, keep it up and then you can compare to schools like Judson, Permian, Lee, Katy, Westlake, and all the schools that have had winning records over a long period of time in class 5A."

sv05, very little of what you regurgitated in this mess is true. if you want to refute what i wrote in my last post, please quote your sources. you are stating information as facts that are dead wrong and malicious besides. until you can prove anything of which you opine, everyone can be certain to disregard your statements of fiction. about the only accurate statement you have made is that thru the years slc has grown. even when we moved up to 5a we were and have continued to be in the bottom 20th percentile of school sizes. our growth has helped our programs by bring agressive, winning families but without the hard work by kids, coaches teachers and parents they would have been another mediocre suburb. relatively successful but earliy po losers. when you actually get a clue, you'll see that you have been in error, or maybe not.[/QUOTE]

[dragonsdaddy]

svo5, you keep stating opinions as facts. back in the day, slc had many players that played both ways, even in 4a there were always a few that did. i guess 8 years in 4a is a fairly rapid growth rate, but not like plano when they only played 4a ball for 4 years before moving up. your opinionating is getting tiresome. not that you should have opinions, but please coach them as such, not as facts.

[ALLSTAR]

SV, you are ridiculous... i think you just might be a little jealous because SLC has beat SV in the last state games?.. just a prediction

[03mustangwideout]

When it comes do a dynasty there is no doubt that slc has that one in their corner but if anyone ever got the pleasure to see the 2003 ns team you would understand. The first string never had to play the whole game except for the state and lamar game. In San Antonio we absolutely embarrased westlake. They didnt even get past the 50 yard line the whole time the starters were in. From the get go ns showed who the best team was and sent a shocking message to twhs and the state that they were here to win. Ns dominated the state game dont let the score fool you if you remember we had 2 or 3 touchdowns called back for no reason. Plus aymond and willig were very good friends i really dont think that he was trying to run up the score on an old coaching companion but who know maybe im wrong. I mean we only threw the ball like 6 or 7 times with a quarterback like bobby reid. We just never had to at any part of the season.

GO NORTH SHORE 2005 !!!!!!!!

P.S.
Aymond has said that this is the best offense he has ever coached at ns so well have to see how that works out for us this year.

[SV05champs]

Another SLC fan, talking smack. Yea, you are right, I am jealous that a team that was not even suppose to make the playoffs almost beat the mighty SLC Dragons. A team that was re-building, a team that was learning a new system on both offense and defense. A team that was suppose to lose that game by at least 35 points according to all the SLC fans on these sites. I was proud of SV. But when I see SLC being compared to the great teams in 5A that have accomplished a lot more than SLC, I state my opinion, if you cant take it, dont read it. However dont make idiotic comments about me.



SV, you are ridiculous... i think you just might be a little jealous because SLC has beat SV in the last state games?.. just a prediction

[drgnbkr]

SV05, your own comments supply plenty of idocy......we don't need to add any!..... ;)

[Woodlands!!]

The north shore mustangs... they killed the woodlands in that game. It was hard for the woodlands fans to watch after a while, they were beating us so badly. The woodlands had a great team that year and they pretty much creamed us.

[TR '97]

For my first post, I have to give some love to my alma mater (since nobody else is). But I can't say I'm surprised. I'm admittedly biased, but who isn't?

I give a nomination to the 1995 5A Division II Champion Roosevelt Rough Riders of San Antonio. If nothing else, the '95 Roosevelt team at least deserves to be discussed among the best ever in Texas high school football history.

En route to the state championship (during my own junior year at TR), the mighty Riders took out Judson in the regular season, 35-21. Judson was the eventual Division 1 Champion at 14-1. This marked the first (and only) time ever that two schools from the same district claimed both the Division 1 and Division 2 Championships.

On the way to a story book 16-0 finish, Roosevelt ousted an excellent 11-0 Clark team in the second round of the playoffs for the unofficial San Antonio City Championship. We beat a great Westlake team 28-14 in the Quarterfinals and a Humble team with David Boston on it in the Semifinal. And as a huge underdog in the State Championship, completely shut down a high octane fun-n-gun Flower Mound Marcus passing attack lead by Chris Sanders. At the time he was the all-time leading passer in state history, and Roosevelt prevailing in a thrilling 17-10 win at San Antonio's old Alamo Stadium. Still one of my favorite memories! The Riders finished as undisputed state champs and were ranked #1 in the entire South Region of the U.S. by USA Today and finished #4 in USA Today's National HS Poll. It is noteworthy that the top 3 were all private high schools, so TR ended as Public High School National Champs in my book. Truly an amazing team with a stingy defense and a one-two punch at running back. Starting RBs Terrell Haynes and Richard Shandy combined for over 4,000 yards on the ground that season. Well, that'll do for my trip down memory lane...

Your thoughts?

Interesting to hear what other SA High School Football fans think of the '95 Riders. (Hard to believe it's been 10 years now, I'm gettin' old!)

Great website, BTW.
:)

[DrEdward]

again i said it over and over that the controversial call on the chandler catch in the slc vs lufkin game in 2002 was not the key play of the game. it was the 4th down miracle conversion right before that where the ball hit a lufkin linbacker in the chest and somehow bounced to an slc receiver for a first down. that was the key play of the game. if that did not happen the chandler catch would not have even been debated. that is how it goes sometimes and teams usually get breaks when they win a state title. lufkin had their share of breaks when they won their title in 01. that is just how it is. now northshore 03 did not need any breaks but they were rare.

Quite correct you are. The Solari catch on 4th down off the Lufkin tip was indeed the play of the game. And quite a game it was. There was very little oxygen in the stadium in the Carroll stands for most of the second half of that contest. Heck of a game between two extraordinary teams.

[Texasfrog]

For my first post, I have to give some love to my alma mater (since nobody else is). But I can't say I'm surprised. I'm admittedly biased, but who isn't?

I give a nomination to the 1995 5A Division II Champion Roosevelt Rough Riders of San Antonio. If nothing else, the '95 Roosevelt team at least deserves to be discussed among the best ever in Texas high school football history.

En route to the state championship (during my own junior year at TR), the mighty Riders took out Judson in the regular season, 35-21. Judson was the eventual Division 1 Champion at 14-1. This marked the first (and only) time ever that two schools from the same district claimed both the Division 1 and Division 2 Championships.

On the way to a story book 16-0 finish, Roosevelt ousted an excellent 11-0 Clark team in the second round of the playoffs for the unofficial San Antonio City Championship. We beat a great Westlake team 28-14 in the Quarterfinals and a Humble team with David Boston on it in the Semifinal. And as a huge underdog in the State Championship, completely shut down a high octane fun-n-gun Flower Mound Marcus passing attack lead by Chris Sanders. At the time he was the all-time leading passer in state history, and Roosevelt prevailing in a thrilling 17-10 win at San Antonio's old Alamo Stadium. Still one of my favorite memories! The Riders finished as undisputed state champs and were ranked #1 in the entire South Region of the U.S. by USA Today and finished #4 in USA Today's National HS Poll. It is noteworthy that the top 3 were all private high schools, so TR ended as Public High School National Champs in my book. Truly an amazing team with a stingy defense and a one-two punch at running back. Starting RBs Terrell Haynes and Richard Shandy combined for over 4,000 yards on the ground that season. Well, that'll do for my trip down memory lane...

Your thoughts?

Interesting to hear what other SA High School Football fans think of the '95 Riders. (Hard to believe it's been 10 years now, I'm gettin' old!)

Great website, BTW.
:)

Very scrappy team that doesnt really get alot of respect. They had a very solid defense. :)

[farmerfan]

They did to Marcus what no team could, got presure on the QB which caused Sanders and the Marcus offense to play their worst game of the year. Had I been Coach Brittan I would have done everything I could to get that game indoors in a controlled climate(wind was a big factor that day for the marcus passing attack). The 95 Marcus team was better than the 97 team and had a offense as good as any we have seeen from the past 3 Carroll teams. It was just one of those days where Roosevelt played a perfect game and Marcus did not, I still think that Marcus was a overall better team, but Roosevelt has the hardware.

[TR '97]

Marcus gave us all we could handle that day. It was truly an amazing game fit for a championship. As the old adage goes, defense wins championships and it held true that day. I believe Marcus was averaging 42+ points per game and coming off of a dominant semifinal performance against Lake Highlands. Roosevelt had a hell of a punishing running attack and Marcus did a tremendous job of slowing it down. It was really a classic Clash of the Titans.

Interestingly enough, on my hall at Jester Center my freshman year at UT, was another guy living there who went to Marcus. It made for some fun conversation and me kidding him about it all year long!

It was completely a Cinderella story for us... As you all know Judson is the perrenial power in our district (and in the greater San Antonio area for that matter). That win over them was the first Roosevelt victory over the Rockets since 1984. I remember Jerrod Douglas scoring at will when I was a freshman at TR in '93 (Judson waxed us 49-7). If someone told me in 1993 that our 4-6 Riders would be at the top of the Texas high school football world two years later... I would've said "OK, put the crack pipe down." It was only our 3rd trip to the playoffs in school history and first since '89. Since then Roosevelt has appeared in the playoffs 5 times I believe (although 2 were in 4A when the enrollment fell just under 5A guidelines).

Anyway, Marcus had nothing to be ashamed of that day. It was a shame one team had to lose. Luckily for us, we came out on top!
:D

[farmerfan]

classy post my friend, like I said earlier, yall did to Marcus what no team had been able to do to them throughout the playoffs, yall got presure on Sanders and forced Marcus out of their comfort zone. Marcus was coming off a 42-14 win over previous unbeaten Lake Highlands led by Marcus Stiggers and Davaron Hightower. You are also right in that Marcus came in averaging 42 points a game, but the defense was alos very dominant they came in giving up a average of 11 pts a game. Marcus had beat some great teams very bad that year during the playoffs, they beat a very good Abilene Cooper team 41-7, and followed that up by beating a unbeaten Arlington Lamar team 42-17 then mauled Lake Highlands. The fact that they lost to Roosevelt was a shocker to me and the rest of the state outside of San Antonio, I still think it is one of the greatest title game upsets of 5A football.

[TR '97]

Yeah I think the criticism helped will them to victory many times that year, such as many thought Clark would beat us in the second round. Then Westlake seemed shocked that we shut them down, it was the defense and overall team speed that allowed TR to beat bigger teams. The running game was huge for us with the one-two punch.

I watched Marcus win the title on TV in '97 and felt kind of good for them after they came so close before. Westlake had a monstrous team in '96, if memory serves me correctly I think they won 26 straight after we beat them in the '95 Quarters. They were 16-0 state champs in '96 and started '97 10-0 before losing to one of our district foes, MacArthur. Mac put together a couple of good teams in the lat '90s, most notably the one that was destroyed by Midland Lee in the Title Game when they got there at the 11th hour after Katy was kicked out of the playoffs. It was a rough situation.

The SLC teams look damn near unstoppable as of late. The Title Game last year in Div. II was a really good one with them and Smithson Valley. SV's coach and Roosevelt's coach are brothers. Larry Hill of SV and Glenn Hill of TR. Coach Hill has been at TR since the '97 season as HC, and was the DC on the '95 team. He's now the winningest coach in school history.

What ever happened to Que Brittain? Did he coach the '97 Marcus team that won the title? Your Lewisville Farmers had a couple of teams worthy in this discussion of championships. I think I remember reading about one of their playoff games when they never attempted a pass and had like 5 backs with over 100 yds. or something crazy.

As a Longhorn fan, I'm ready for Mack to get Todd Dodge on our staff as an offensive assistant of some kind. I wonder if we'll see Dodge coaching in the college ranks in the near future. That would be interesting.
\m/

[farmerfan]

What ever happened to Que Brittain? Did he coach the '97 Marcus team that won the title? Your Lewisville Farmers had a couple of teams worthy in this discussion of championships. I think I remember reading about one of their playoff games when they never attempted a pass and had like 5 backs with over 100 yds. or something crazy.

As a Longhorn fan, I'm ready for Mack to get Todd Dodge on our staff as an offensive assistant of some kind. I wonder if we'll see Dodge coaching in the college ranks in the near future. That would be interesting.
\m/

Coach Brittain did coach the 97 team, he left after the 99 season and took a year off before taking over the Dallas Skyline program in 01. The 97 Marcus team had some holdovers from the 95 squad, Stephen Ennis at RB and David Ellen at LB, they were a good football team, but I still believe the 95 Marcus team was the better of the 2. In my opinion the 95 Marcus offense was one of the best to ever play in this state, that is why it was so shocking to see a team like Roosevelt shut down Marcus during that state title game.

As far as the Lewisville teams are concerned, in 96 we had one of the best teams that no one ever talks about, we had 4 backs who rushed for a 1000 yards, beat 5 district champs during the playoffs and did not have a close game at all during the playoffs, our closest game was against Lubbock Coranado in Abilene and we beat them 35-17. During the state finals, we beat Judson 58-34, and had 4 backs that went over the 100 yard mark, that was the game we did not attempt a single pass and set a state championship game record with 530+ yards rushing. Our 93 team wasn't to shabby either, we crusied through the playoffs, and won the state championship in one of the best games ever played against Aldine MacArthur.

The one thing I remember about the TR team in 95 was that they had two big defensive ends, that stayed unblocked all game, I bet Chris Sanders still has nightmares about those two guys. It truly was a amazing defensive performance that you guys had, I for one did not think it was possible to hold that offense under 30 pts.

[TR '97]

Those two DEs you're referring to were Erik Flowers and Dwayne Missouri. They were the only two from that team that ended up getting significant playing time in Division 1-A college football. Both became starters at their respective schools, Flowers at Arizona State and Missouri at Northwestern. Actually both were on NFL rosters at one point, and Erik Flowers might still be somewhere. Dwayne Missouri was on the Cowboys roster for a season I think, and Flowers was on the Bills. Not sure if either is playing any more. Those guys had the game of their lives shutting down Sanders. One possession the Roosevelt D sacked Chris Sanders on three straight plays! Still mind-boggling!

That's right, I had forgotten it was Judson that Lewisville literally ran over. That is an amazing feat to not attempt any passes at all! That was a hell of a smash-mouth team Lewisville had that year.

[farmerfan]

We had the type of team that you are luck to ever get to watch play. In fact growing up I was blessed in taht I lived in a area that was the hotbed of HS football for 4 + years. From 93-97 Lewisville and Marcus, 2 school literally 3 miles apart, participated in 2 state titles games each, with 95-97 seeing one team from the LISD advance to a state title and 96 and 97 seeing both teams bring home a state title. The funny thing is we set a state record for most points scored in a state title game in 96 with 58, the following year Marcus topped that by 1 point when they beat Aleif Hastings 59-24. I will go out on a limb and say no school district has dominated the way the LISD did from 1993-1997.

[TR '97]

You're probably right, I doubt two schools from the same district can boast 4 state title appearances in 4 years. Although Judson isn't in our same ISD, it was the first and only time two schools from the same UIL Athletic District won state titles in the same year in '95. Then Judson had appearances in '96 & '98, as did MacArthur also in '98. There have been some good teams in SA in the last 20 years. I think maybe the two Alief schools (Elsik and Hastings) both advanced far into the playoffs the year Hastings lost to FM Marcus in the final.

DCTF had an article this season about Houston Yates' 1985 championship team and was talking about the 5A champs over the last 20 years. They had Permian's 1989 & 91 teams up there, and Midland Lee's titles lead by Cedric Benson.

[farmerfan]

They also had your Rough Riders in there to, some teams in that list I would not agree with, but it is always easier to second guess when your not doing the picking.

[Eagle81]

sv05 runnerup, i don't know where to begin refuting such tripe as you type. your knowledge of history appears to be completely dependant on your imagination. slc won 3 titles in 3 in the 14 yrs they were 3a. there were 2 semifinal game with 2 losses in the 8 years in 4a. slc was and still is one of the smallest 5a schools, and will likely stay that way unless we are demoted in 2-4 years. are right, slc took 4 years to win their first district championship after opening in 66. they had limited success until coach ledbetter came here in the early 80's. so i guess you are right, they have only been going to the regional finals almost yearly(at least) since just before this years srs were born.

your post will go down as one of the stupidest and poorest researched post in the annals of 5afootballs history. please save electrons and keep your hallucinations to yourself next time.

This isn't my arguement but SLC happens to reside in probably the toughest Region in the state. Judson can brag about how many times they've been there but how tough was the road getting there? I think you'd be hard pressed to find a tougher road to the championship than SLC has had to travel just to play in that game at the 5A level. In recent history I'm not too sure you'll find many people argue the fact that Regions I and II has been home to most of the states best teams.