SLC to get 6-5A sophomore of the yr. - THE REAL STORY

[LarrySanders]

First of all let me tell you who I am, my name is Larry Sanders and I’ve coached Blake Cantu in AAU basketball since he was in the 3rd grade, and watched him play football and baseball since the 1st grade. After reading some of the post on this board about Blake and his Mom, concerning their moving to South Lake Carroll I feel compelled to post a few of my own Comments.

A few points:

Blake started at LD Bell in the 10th grade. He spent 7th through 9th grades at Bedford Middle School. He has many friends not only at LD Bell, but Trinity, Fossil Ridge, and many others.

As far as loyalty and friendship, Blake is exemplifies these traits, to question this is just plain ignorant and stupid. As an example he could have left our team long ago, but his loyalty to his teammates (who go to several different schools), coaches, and friends kept him coming back with the same teammates since 3rd grade.

Blake’s mom is a wonderful person, and as a single mom working a full time job In South Lake, she has to provide for and care for her son. If this means moving, then so be it. Some of you know keeping track of ANY teenager can be a full time job for two parents much less one with a full time career.

For all those hoping Blake “sits on the bench” or “falls on his face.” Let me just say now that this young man will be successful in anything he does, but a warning to opposing defenses next year. Watch out for # 21.

I offer one last thought; I find it hard to believe that a Mom moving herself and her sixteen year old son closer to her job, to better their lives can get so many people with nothing better to do start rumors about two wonderful people.

Get a Life,
Coach Larry

[dragons08]

so his mom works for carroll isd? so, hed be able to attend slc even if he didnt live in slc territory i belieive..but i understand what you mean

[1337boy]

Watch out for # 21.



indeed, I do believe Arius will be starting next year, and shall avenge his disability from this season.



The above comment was sarcasm....:p

[Drake]

I offer one last thought; I find it hard to believe that a Mom moving herself and her sixteen year old son closer to her job, to better their lives can get so many people with nothing better to do start rumors about two wonderful people.Larry -
I agree with most of what you say. If you read all the other thread you'll see I too admonished those that made assumptions about this family. Also, I personally believe if a family wants to change schools for athletic reasons they shouldn't have to veil it.

But since you, and a few others, have gone out of your way to make the point that it's NOT for athletic reasons - How does the move "better their lives" and if it does, why are they waiting until after basketball season to move? Assuming that he'll be in school from dawn to dusk once football season starts, whats the difference between being in LD Bell and SLC? Is LD Bell less safe?

Again, I don't doubt what you say, and if my child was a top prospect I'd do whatever it took to move him from LD Bell to SLC too... Just a shame I couldn't just say, "it's my child, I'll do what I think is best, period..."

[Favpack]

How long has the mom worked for the Southlake ISD?

[TrueBlue]

I don't see where the idea that Cantu's mother works for the SLC ISD is coming from ... my read of things is that her place of employment is in the SLC district --

[dragonfootballfan]

Larry -
I agree with most of what you say. If you read all the other thread you'll see I too admonished those that made assumptions about this family. Also, I personally believe if a family wants to change schools for athletic reasons they shouldn't have to veil it.

But since you, and a few others, have gone out of your way to make the point that it's NOT for athletic reasons - How does the move "better their lives" and if it does, why are they waiting until after basketball season to move? Assuming that he'll be in school from dawn to dusk once football season starts, whats the difference between being in LD Bell and SLC? Is LD Bell less safe?

Again, I don't doubt what you say, and if my child was a top prospect I'd do whatever it took to move him from LD Bell to SLC too... Just a shame I couldn't just say, "it's my child, I'll do what I think is best, period..."
He could be waiting to move, because Carroll's second semester does not start until next week. He stated that the family would live closer to where his mother works. I think that everyone would like to live close to where they work.

[farmerfan]

First of all let me tell you who I am, my name is Larry Sanders and I’ve coached Blake Cantu in AAU basketball since he was in the 3rd grade, and watched him play football and baseball since the 1st grade. After reading some of the post on this board about Blake and his Mom, concerning their moving to South Lake Carroll I feel compelled to post a few of my own Comments.

A few points:

Blake started at LD Bell in the 10th grade. He spent 7th through 9th grades at Bedford Middle School. He has many friends not only at LD Bell, but Trinity, Fossil Ridge, and many others.

As far as loyalty and friendship, Blake is exemplifies these traits, to question this is just plain ignorant and stupid. As an example he could have left our team long ago, but his loyalty to his teammates (who go to several different schools), coaches, and friends kept him coming back with the same teammates since 3rd grade.

Blake’s mom is a wonderful person, and as a single mom working a full time job In South Lake, she has to provide for and care for her son. If this means moving, then so be it. Some of you know keeping track of ANY teenager can be a full time job for two parents much less one with a full time career.

For all those hoping Blake “sits on the bench” or “falls on his face.” Let me just say now that this young man will be successful in anything he does, but a warning to opposing defenses next year. Watch out for # 21.

I offer one last thought; I find it hard to believe that a Mom moving herself and her sixteen year old son closer to her job, to better their lives can get so many people with nothing better to do start rumors about two wonderful people.

Get a Life,
Coach Larry

Many people posting did so before they knew the whole story. His mom got on and defended the move long after a lot of us said what we did. I could comment on many more of your comments but wont seeing how the last topic got locked. There really was no reason to add to this as his mom already did in the last thread.

[Drake]

Another "assumption" I suppose... My bad...

I think the particulars are not important anyway except to discuss the merits of the current system. Maybe we could just discuss in general.

My question to ANYbody is; Don't you think she should be able to move and change schools for ANY reason she wants?

[dragonfootballfan]

My question to ANYbody is; Don't you think she should be able to move and change schools for ANY reason she wants?
yes

[Sakatha]

Larry -
I agree with most of what you say. If you read all the other thread you'll see I too admonished those that made assumptions about this family. Also, I personally believe if a family wants to change schools for athletic reasons they shouldn't have to veil it.

But since you, and a few others, have gone out of your way to make the point that it's NOT for athletic reasons - How does the move "better their lives" and if it does, why are they waiting until after basketball season to move? Assuming that he'll be in school from dawn to dusk once football season starts, whats the difference between being in LD Bell and SLC? Is LD Bell less safe?

Again, I don't doubt what you say, and if my child was a top prospect I'd do whatever it took to move him from LD Bell to SLC too... Just a shame I couldn't just say, "it's my child, I'll do what I think is best, period..."

I graduated from L.D. Bell. I grew up in Bedford. Up until last December, I lived in Las Colinas. I decided to move to Southlake when my wife and I got married. I have my own reasons.

Am I a sell out? I guess that depends on your definition of the term. Also depends on what part of Hurst, Bedford, or Euless you live in... There are certainly shadier areas of those 3 cities than you will find anywhere inside Southlake city limits...

I chose Southlake for 3 reasons... 1.) Carroll ISD is arguably the top district(public) in north texas. 2.) We wanted more of a 'country' lifestyle but still in the city. 3.) The incredible pride in the community and drive to succeed in all facets of life.

I could go on, but why waste my time. I have had VERY heated arguments with members of my own family(distant, but still members), because everyone automatically assumes that since I have a son, I want him to be a football star. Well, reality check... I *KNOW* my son is no football star. There's more to life in Southlake than the Dragon Football team.

I don't get why you or anyone would waste their time questioning motives. I guess the Fentriss family sucks for moving there also.

~DnM

[Drake]

yesI do too. Any reason she wants without giving up, or sitting out of UIL sports, right?

[dragonfootballfan]

I do too. Any reason she wants without giving up, or sitting out of UIL sports, right?
that is right. she should not have to explain it to anybody either

[Drake]

I don't get why you or anyone would waste their time questioning motives. I guess the Fentriss family sucks for moving there also.It's silly to question motives when it comes to family decisions, huh? Then WHY do most of you support the UIL governing these sort of issues like making a rule that a player must sit out if they've moved for athletic reasons?

[Drake]

that is right. she should not have to explain it to anybody eitherThen why should a family have to give up UIL if they choose to go to private school?

[dragonsdaddy]

Then why should a family have to give up UIL if they choose to go to private school?
why should the uil expect privates and publics to play by separate rules?

[dragonfootballfan]

Then why should a family have to give up UIL if they choose to go to private school?
I don't think I am seeing the connection that you are making.

[Favpack]

I was simply trying to clarify if you can work in the district and go to school there - and not live there-- and subsequently how long she's worked for the district.

Pardon my ignorance on another issue as well - are there apartments in Southlake? And, what would you venture is the lowest possible rental on a home in SL, if indeed there are homes to lease? Point being -- it seems there are likely hundreds, maybe thousands of other kids that want to go to SLC for reasons noted - yet can't afford to move there because there is absolutely no housing whatsoever available. Fair assessment or not? Thanks.

[Sakatha]

It's silly to question motives when it comes to family decisions, huh? Then WHY do most of you support the UIL governing these sort of issues like making a rule that a player must sit out if they've moved for athletic reasons?

Blake sounds to me like the kind of athlete who is going to be good enough to go D1 no matter where he's playing...

I still believe that you, and most of those questioning this move are *stuck* on this being a football decision... Where, I'd bet it's not.

~DnM

[Sakatha]

I was simply trying to clarify if you can work in the district and go to school there - and not live there-- and subsequently how long she's worked for the district.

Pardon my ignorance on another issue as well - are there apartments in Southlake? And, what would you venture is the lowest possible rental on a home in SL, if indeed there are homes to lease? Point being -- it seems there are likely hundreds, maybe thousands of other kids that want to go to SLC for reasons noted - yet can't afford to move there because there is absolutely no housing whatsoever available. Fair assessment or not? Thanks.

No apts or condos within Southlake city limits to my knowledge.. There is at least 1 apt complex in Grapevine that site on the boundary and is inside CISD, though...

Yes, you are on target... I would assume lots *want* to, but cannot.

~DnM

[Drake]

why should the uil expect privates and publics to play by separate rules?what's it matter? they don't enforce the ones they have... thats why top players keep showing up in the better programs...

[dragonsdaddy]

I was simply trying to clarify if you can work in the district and go to school there - and not live there-- and subsequently how long she's worked for the district.

Pardon my ignorance on another issue as well - are there apartments in Southlake? And, what would you venture is the lowest possible rental on a home in SL, if indeed there are homes to lease? Point being -- it seems there are likely hundreds, maybe thousands of other kids that want to go to SLC for reasons noted - yet can't afford to move there because there is absolutely no housing whatsoever available. Fair assessment or not? Thanks.
there are no multi family rentals. there are a very few lease houses that probably run around 1200 a month(pure guess). there is an area in gvine that is in the cisd which is probably the most reasonable area in which to live. still overpriced except for the school district your children will attend.

[Sakatha]

there are no multi family rentals. there are a very few lease houses that probably run around 1200 a month(pure guess). there is an area in gvine that is in the cisd which is probably the most reasonable area in which to live. still overpriced except for the school district your children will attend.

The rent houses that I have looked into(real estate investment possibilities) were higher.. It's difficult to find anything under 2k / month... Not impossible, but difficult.

~DnM

[Drake]

Blake sounds to me like the kind of athlete who is going to be good enough to go D1 no matter where he's playing...

I still believe that you, and most of those questioning this move are *stuck* on this being a football decision... Where, I'd bet it's not.

~DnMIf you READ all of my posts on this and the similar thread, you'd see I don't think it is anybody else's business (but their's) what the motives are for their decision... I'm using the example only to make what I feel are larger points...

[Sakatha]

If you READ all of my posts on this and the similar thread, you'd see I don't think it is anybody else's business (but their's) what the motives are for their decision... I'm using the example only to make what I feel are larger points...

This is a different deal than the Kingwood HS Hoops team that essentially shipped 4 all-stars into the district last year to win a state title...

~DnM

[dragonfootballfan]

what's it matter? they don't enforce the ones they have... thats why top players keep showing up in the better programs...
Galveston Ball was disqualified from the playoffs this year. They had a player that was living outside their attendance zone. A private school would not have been disqualified because they do not have an attendance zone. I guess those rules are not different though.

[dragonsdaddy]

what's it matter? they don't enforce the ones they have... thats why top players keep showing up in the better programs...
your opinions as to the enforcement are just that-opinions. the fact is, the publics are restricted to a specific area, while the privates are not. please refute objectively.

[Drake]

Galveston Ball was disqualified from the playoffs this year. They had a player that was living outside their attendance zone. A private school would not have been disqualified because they do not have an attendance zone. I guess those rules are not different though.thats a good point and bad point. its a bad point because its a different circumstance than the rule we're discussing, but its a good point because it shows that the UIL is doing kids a disservice by not making sure the rules are adhered to... in this case, the kids on the GB team were punished for something the coach (who the UIL is apparently relying on for enforcement) let slip by...

[Cobras03]

Larry -
I agree with most of what you say. If you read all the other thread you'll see I too admonished those that made assumptions about this family. Also, I personally believe if a family wants to change schools for athletic reasons they shouldn't have to veil it.

But since you, and a few others, have gone out of your way to make the point that it's NOT for athletic reasons - How does the move "better their lives" and if it does, why are they waiting until after basketball season to move? Assuming that he'll be in school from dawn to dusk once football season starts, whats the difference between being in LD Bell and SLC? Is LD Bell less safe?

Again, I don't doubt what you say, and if my child was a top prospect I'd do whatever it took to move him from LD Bell to SLC too... Just a shame I couldn't just say, "it's my child, I'll do what I think is best, period..."

This is Blake's mom again. 1st of all I do not work for the Carroll ISD. I am a Realtor who does most of her business in and around Southlake. For those of you who think it takes 10 minutes for me to get from Southlake to LD Bell have never driven it 2 to 3 times on a daily basis, which is what I've been doing. On a good day, without traffic it takes me 25 minutes and the gas I burn going back and forth is becoming unmanageable. My son is like any typical teen who sometimes forgets his things like Id cards, parts of his uniform etc..for which I have to run them up to the school. I'm assuming most of you readers are Dads who while you are making your living have had your wives take care of these little details. I also like to stop by and watch his practices and attend pep rallies, volunteer when I can at the school etc...... all of these things were becoming increasingly hard for me to do in between my appointments. Blake is my only child and I have 2 years left with him at home.....these little bits of time I get to spend with him, especially during football season are some of the only times I get to see him. Our reasons for moving made a lot more sense to me economically, and call me selfish but I like to be involved in my son's life. It is freaking me out that this is such a big deal. If he were any other kid that wasn't a talented athlete, no one would care. It just so happens that football is not our whole life!!
Thank you.

[Drake]

your opinions as to the enforcement are just that-opinions. the fact is, the publics are restricted to a specific area, while the privates are not. please refute objectively.then why was the galveston ball player allowed to compete all year until a whistle-blower informed the UIL?

[farmerfan]

This is a different deal than the Kingwood HS Hoops team that essentially shipped 4 all-stars into the district last year to win a state title...

~DnM


I never heard heard anything about that. Whats the story with that? (other than 4 guys showing up to play basketball)

[dragonfootballfan]

thats a good point and bad point. its a bad point because its a different circumstance than the rule we're discussing, but its a good point because it shows that the UIL is doing kids a disservice by not making sure the rules are adhered to... in this case, the kids on the GB team were punished for something the coach (who the UIL is apparently relying on for enforcement) let slip by...
but a private school would not have been disqualified. The teams play by different rules and are therefore not on a level playing field.

[farmerfan]

but a private school would not have been disqualified. The teams play by different rules and are therefore not on a level playing field.


The point he is trying to get accross is that anyone from outside of the attendance zone given to Strake that comes to school at Strake must sit out a full year. At public schools they dont have to sit out a year. He was trapping you from the beginning and you fell for it.

[Sakatha]

This is Blake's mom again. 1st of all I do not work for the Carroll ISD. I am a Realtor who does most of her business in and around Southlake. For those of you who think it takes 10 minutes for me to get from Southlake to LD Bell have never driven it 2 to 3 times on a daily basis, which is what I've been doing. On a good day, without traffic it takes me 25 minutes and the gas I burn going back and forth is becoming unmanageable. My son is like any typical teen who sometimes forgets his things like Id cards, parts of his uniform etc..for which I have to run them up to the school. I'm assuming most of you readers are Dads who while you are making your living have had your wives take care of these little details. I also like to stop by and watch his practices and attend pep rallies, volunteer when I can at the school etc...... all of these things were becoming increasingly hard for me to do in between my appointments. Blake is my only child and I have 2 years left with him at home.....these little bits of time I get to spend with him, especially during football season are some of the only times I get to see him. Our reasons for moving made a lot more sense to me economically, and call me selfish but I like to be involved in my son's life. It is freaking me out that this is such a big deal. If he were any other kid that wasn't a talented athlete, no one would care. It just so happens that football is not our whole life!!
Thank you.

BTW, thanks for posting... You've made sure I don't have to argue this ridiculous topic anymore. :)

~DnM

[dragonsdaddy]

then why was the galveston ball player allowed to compete all year until a whistle-blower informed the UIL?
sounds to me like the enforcement was only delayed slightly, not dismissed. there are plenty of infractions and very few are discovered the day they occur. seems you are being "intellectually dishonest".

[CKE]

If he were any other kid that wasn't a talented athlete, no one would care. It just so happens that football is not our whole life!!
Thank you.

That right there says a lot i think we need to get off this subject and leave the kid and his mom alone. i mean come on im 18 years old and i know this is wrong so why dont we just talk about something that is not going to hurt people so people like can2mom dont think the posters on 5atexasfootball are all trying to attack her and her son. really i cant blame her for being upset i would hate it if someone was questioning me and my mom on where i was going to live.

[dragonsdaddy]

The point he is trying to get accross is that anyone from outside of the attendance zone given to Strake that comes to school at Strake must sit out a full year. At public schools they dont have to sit out a year. He was trapping you from the beginning and you fell for it.
i read an article concerning the deal the uil cut with the jesuits, and it didn't mention this iron-clad rule. could someone find a link to the factual regs concerning this "representation" of justice.

[Drake]

This is Blake's mom again. 1st of all I do not work for the Carroll ISD. I am a Realtor who does most of her business in and around Southlake. For those of you who think it takes 10 minutes for me to get from Southlake to LD Bell have never driven it 2 to 3 times on a daily basis, which is what I've been doing. On a good day, without traffic it takes me 25 minutes and the gas I burn going back and forth is becoming unmanageable. My son is like any typical teen who sometimes forgets his things like Id cards, parts of his uniform etc..for which I have to run them up to the school. I'm assuming most of you readers are Dads who while you are making your living have had your wives take care of these little details. I also like to stop by and watch his practices and attend pep rallies, volunteer when I can at the school etc...... all of these things were becoming increasingly hard for me to do in between my appointments. Blake is my only child and I have 2 years left with him at home.....these little bits of time I get to spend with him, especially during football season are some of the only times I get to see him. Our reasons for moving made a lot more sense to me economically, and call me selfish but I like to be involved in my son's life. It is freaking me out that this is such a big deal. If he were any other kid that wasn't a talented athlete, no one would care. It just so happens that football is not our whole life!!
Thank you.It's not a big deal and you don't need to explain it, which is what I've been contending all along... I'm justed miffed that when it comes to you doing what you feel is best for your son, you aren't expected to "make a choice" of sitting out or playing in a lesser league, but when I do it I am...

[Sakatha]

It's not a big deal and you don't need to explain it, which is what I've been contending all along... I'm justed miffed that when it comes to you doing what you feel is best for your son, you aren't expected to "make a choice" of sitting out or playing in a lesser league, but when I do it I do...

Strake, I apolozige.. I think I only understood 50% of your argument. I agree that it should be across the board, but it's impossible to assume UIL will do something fair and intelligent.. lol

As far as *any* kid moving into CISD... I have a feeling the CISD officials will thoroughly investigate *ANY* eligability issue and have UIL sign off.. I dunno the procedure, but I just can't believe that Dodge or CISD would allow eligability to become an issue.......Carroll doesn't need any *1* kid that badly.

~DnM

[Favpack]

No apts or condos within Southlake city limits to my knowledge.. There is at least 1 apt complex in Grapevine that site on the boundary and is inside CISD, though...

Yes, you are on target... I would assume lots *want* to, but cannot.

~DnM

Call me a knee-jerk reactionary - but when community planners make it hard to almost impossible for an avg. family to move to a community - and yet there is a tremendous desire to get there for obvious and varied reasons - and you "hear" of other kids/parents pulling it off in rather less than typical fashion (typical being purchasing a home in the district since it sounds like there are essentially zero rent houses available) -- you've got a potentially volatile situation. As long as this family has pulled off the transfer ethically and legally -- more power to 'em.

[farmerfan]

That right there says a lot i think we need to get off this subject and leave the kid and his mom alone. i mean come on im 18 years old and i know this is wrong so why dont we just talk about something that is not going to hurt people so people like can2mom dont think the posters on 5atexasfootball are all trying to attack her and her son. really i cant blame her for being upset i would hate it if someone was questioning me and my mom on where i was going to live.


her son has not been attacked one time on this thread. his aau coach decided to bring this back up and it quickly turned into the UIL vs the Jesuits and attendance zone policies. Not one time has this kid been attacked on this thread. In fact I dont believe his name has even been mentioned since the 2nd or 3rd post on this thread.

[CKE]

her son has not been attacked one time on this thread. his aau coach decided to bring this back up and it quickly turned into the UIL vs the Jesuits and attendance zone policies. Not one time has this kid been attacked on this thread. In fact I dont believe his name has even been mentioned since the 2nd or 3rd post on this thread.

no but the whole situation is about him. look im not trying to start and argument i just think that if yall are going to talk about it make a new thread or something. i just know that i would not want to be i the postion he is in with people looking down on me thats how i would feel if i was reading it and i was him. sorry if i offended you ff. didnt mean to

[Drake]

her son has not been attacked one time on this thread. his aau coach decided to bring this back up and it quickly turned into the UIL vs the Jesuits and attendance zone policies. Not one time has this kid been attacked on this thread. In fact I dont believe his name has even been mentioned since the 2nd or 3rd post on this thread.he was attacked once on the other like titled thread by an unfamiliar poster. that thread was locked and i'm betting that poster was suspended. but i agree we should be able to talk about the issue in a broader sense without anyone concluding its a personal attack...

[dragonfootballfan]

Call me a knee-jerk reactionary - but when community planners make it hard to almost impossible for an avg. family to move to a community - and yet there is a tremendous desire to get there for obvious and varied reasons - and you "hear" of other kids/parents pulling it off in rather less than typical fashion (typical being purchasing a home in the district since it sounds like there are essentially zero rent houses available) -- you've got a potentially volatile situation. As long as this family has pulled off the transfer ethically and legally -- more power to 'em.
There are some affordable homes in grapevine which are in the Carroll school district. Those houses are very hard to get, because usually they sell almost immediately after they are put on the market. This student's mother works for a real estate company and therefore would have an advantage of knowing when one of these properties goes on sale before anybody else does.

[CKE]

he was attacked once on the other like titled thread by an unfamiliar poster. that thread was locked and i'm betting that poster was suspended. but i agree we should be able to talk about the issue in a broader sense without anyone concluding its a personal attack...

no but the mom just seems a lil displeased still thats the only reason i think we should start a new thread. just so we can get away from that whole sublect and start talking about UIL vs the Jesuits without any confusion. and im not dogging on anyone either just tyring not to hurt anyone so dont get upset with me for suggesting we start a new thread please

[farmerfan]

no but the mom just seems a lil displeased still thats the only reason i think we should start a new thread. just so we can get away from that whole sublect and start talking about UIL vs the Jesuits without any confusion. and im not dogging on anyone either just tyring not to hurt anyone so dont get upset with me for suggesting we start a new thread please


man we already got like 3 threadsto that topic alone. What was being done here by strake was to show that if a situation like that was being done at either DJ or SJ then the kid would have to sit out a year. He does not think that is right and has used this situation to show why he believes it is wrong for the UIL to make any kid sit out a year when transfering schools.
I dont see anything wrong that has been said in this thread.

[CKE]

ok nevermind. i wasnt demanding you do it by the way just suggesting becasue can2mom came back on this thread and felt like she had to defend herself again when she really didnt need to. just thought you might like talking about other subjects without any interuptions.

[Cobras03]

There are some affordable homes in grapevine which are in the Carroll school district. Those houses are very hard to get, because usually they sell almost immediately after they are put on the market. This student's mother works for a real estate company and therefore would have an advantage of knowing when one of these properties goes on sale before anybody else does.


Bingo!

[Drake]

So basically Can2 gets into the school everyone wants in and the opportunities and exposure playing for SLC brings, Can2mom has the convenience of being able to see her son practice more often, and Southlake Carroll gets the 6-5A Sophomore Football player of the year and a fantastic basketball player to boot...

Sounds like a fantastic luck for all involved... Sometimes the stars just align...

[drgnbkr]

The minimum lot size in Southlake is 1/2 acre & multi-family dwellings are not allowed by city code.

[dragonsdaddy]

The minimum lot size in Southlake is 1/2 acre & multi-family dwellings are not allowed by city code.
the brownstones must have gotten a waiver, as did some of the zero lot line houses in timerron.

[dragonfootballfan]

the brownstones must have gotten a waiver, as did some of the zero lot line houses in timerron.
I know the brownstones got a waiver. I am not sure about what went on with Timmarron though.

[rancher52]

I know the brownstones got a waiver. I am not sure about what went on with Timmarron though.
In both cases (Brownstones and the Timmarron development) the zoning is classified as a PUD (Planned Urban Development) in which any valid zoning category can be used if approved. While it is used very little there is a valid zoning category for muliti family dwellings -- some may call it a waiver but in truth it is not. This is one reason for citizens to be alert to such zoning cases (PUDs).

[KT2000]

Now that we've sorted this out, whatever happened to the German exchange student (Dolph Lundgren clone)?

;)

[drgnbkr]

Now that we've sorted this out, whatever happened to the German exchange student (Dolph Lundgren clone)?

;)

He decided to become a movie star...;)

[farmerfan]

Now that we've sorted this out, whatever happened to the German exchange student (Dolph Lundgren clone)?

;)


I believe he stopped in Phliadelphia and Rocky finished the job.

[Drag Goon]

So basically Can2 gets into the school everyone wants in and the opportunities and exposure playing for SLC brings, Can2mom has the convenience of being able to see her son practice more often, and Southlake Carroll gets the 6-5A Sophomore Football player of the year and a fantastic basketball player to boot...

Sounds like a fantastic luck for all involved... Sometimes the stars just align...

It is so obvious. The Cantu's moved for the SLC Basketball program! ;)

All the reasons Ms. Cantu gave are great and any parent would want the same if given the chance. I am sure the football was on the list but not anywhere near the top. This same scenario happens all the time for education reasons. The only reason there is a "question" this time is because the "child" also is a good athlete.

Welcome to Southlake!

[LoneRocket]

This is Blake's mom again. 1st of all I do not work for the Carroll ISD. I am a Realtor who does most of her business in and around Southlake. For those of you who think it takes 10 minutes for me to get from Southlake to LD Bell have never driven it 2 to 3 times on a daily basis, which is what I've been doing. On a good day, without traffic it takes me 25 minutes and the gas I burn going back and forth is becoming unmanageable. My son is like any typical teen who sometimes forgets his things like Id cards, parts of his uniform etc..for which I have to run them up to the school. I'm assuming most of you readers are Dads who while you are making your living have had your wives take care of these little details. I also like to stop by and watch his practices and attend pep rallies, volunteer when I can at the school etc...... all of these things were becoming increasingly hard for me to do in between my appointments. Blake is my only child and I have 2 years left with him at home.....these little bits of time I get to spend with him, especially during football season are some of the only times I get to see him. Our reasons for moving made a lot more sense to me economically, and call me selfish but I like to be involved in my son's life. It is freaking me out that this is such a big deal. If he were any other kid that wasn't a talented athlete, no one would care. It just so happens that football is not our whole life!!
Thank you.
You should not have to explain for doing what is best for your family, sounds like the situation we had back in the early 90's.

[dragons08]

No apts or condos within Southlake city limits to my knowledge.. There is at least 1 apt complex in Grapevine that site on the boundary and is inside CISD, though...

Yes, you are on target... I would assume lots *want* to, but cannot.

~DnM
look at town square..their adding condos, plus a hotel..i HEAR (as in rumor) condos start around 1 mil (RUMOR)

[toonman]

Is it not a basic right of Americans to travel, live, work and play wherever an individual wishes; in the pursuit liberty and happiness etc etc. If a family wishes to move to a city for whatever reason, then that is their business and is of no concern of anyone else. If that move happens to bring benefits of a better school, with a great football program – so be it. There should be no punishment to the children, just because a parent makes a decision which they believe to be in the best interests of their family.

[Drake]

Is it not a basic right of Americans to travel, live, work and play wherever an individual wishes; in the pursuit liberty and happiness etc etc. If a family wishes to move to a city for whatever reason, then that is their business and is of no concern of anyone else. If that move happens to bring benefits of a better school, with a great football program – so be it. There should be no punishment to the children, just because a parent makes a decision which they believe to be in the best interests of their family.I agree. What if however, a family wants to live in the Woodlands, but have their children attend Kingwood HS and are willing to make the commute? What about their right to choose then?

[KT2000]

He decided to become a movie star...;)

:D

Seriously, I wonder where he will turn up this year. In 2004, Judson had him and then he went to Southlake via Smithson Valley last summer. :eek:

[Sakatha]

I agree. What if however, a family wants to live in the Woodlands, but have their children attend Kingwood HS and are willing to make the commute? What about their right to choose then?

You continue to compare apples to oranges here. That'd be like if Can2's mom decided to continue living in HEB, but wanted her son to start playing in SLC... In this case, she can make a LEGITIMATE case that she'd be putting her family closer to her work...

~DnM

[Sakatha]

look at town square..their adding condos, plus a hotel..i HEAR (as in rumor) condos start around 1 mil (RUMOR)

I believe those are retirement. As in, they will be geared towards assisted living or some such.

Southlake will *never* become a haven for condos and or apartments... Not at this rate.

~DnM

[rancher52]

I believe those are retirement. As in, they will be geared towards assisted living or some such.

Southlake will *never* become a haven for condos and or apartments... Not at this rate.

~DnM
These are definitely not Retirement Living quarters. They are high dollar condos with a waiting list just to get one. Prices are 550k to 800k

http://www.clbpartners.com/project/TheBrownstonesatTownSquare/

[Sakatha]

These are definitely not Retirement Living quarters. They are high dollar condos with a waiting list just to get one. Prices are 550k to 800k

http://www.clbpartners.com/project/TheBrownstonesatTownSquare/

I stand corrected.. :)

For some reason, I don't think many transfering football players will be purchasing there.. ;)

~DnM

[Drake]

You continue to compare apples to oranges here. That'd be like if Can2's mom decided to continue living in HEB, but wanted her son to start playing in SLC... In this case, she can make a LEGITIMATE case that she'd be putting her family closer to her work...

~DnMI wasn't talking about a specific case. The post I responded to expressed that in America we should have the right to have our children educated the way we think is best. I was giving him a hypothetical to see if he believed that we should be free to choose period, or if it should be limited by geographic/demographic differences...

[Sakatha]

I wasn't talking about a specific case. The post I responded to expressed that in America we should have the right to have our children educated the way we think is best. I was giving him a hypothetical to see if he believed that we should be free to choose period, or if it should be limited by geographic/demographic differences...

We have the freedom to better educate ourselves, get better jobs, make more money, and put our families into a better situation...

My mother teaches in the DEEP DEEP ghetto in DISD. 80% of her kids are from the projects. I live in Southlake. Is it fair? Not to the kids... Their parents, however, made their choices and failed to better their situation.

Before someone jumps on my case about it not being the same situation, let me add the following. While I wasn't from the ghetto in Dallas, I grew up in a very poor area in Ft. Worth before moving to Bedford. I stated in an earlier thread that I 'graduated' from L.D. Bell. That's false. I attended Bell. I dropped out after my Soph year... I am living proof that a high school dropout can make a decision to pick him/herself up, and make something of their life..... I chose to go to college(although I didn't finish.. I have no need in my field.. IT), get a job, make good money, and move 'up'...

Life in America is all about choices. It just depends on how you handle the situations you are delt, and how you decide to choose...

~DnM

[Drake]

Thats cool Sakatha, I agree...

But let me rephrase the question using your example... If a parent in DISD decided that the DISD just wasn't cutting it in the education of their child, do you (or anyone that cares to respond) think they should have the right to DRIVE their child daily to Southlake Carroll to receive what they view as a better opportunity for their child? If so, why? If not, why not?

[Sakatha]

Thats cool Sakatha, I agree...

But let me rephrase the question using your example... If a parent in DISD decided that the DISD just wasn't cutting it in the education of their child, do you (or anyone that cares to respond) think they should have the right to DRIVE their child daily to Southlake Carroll to receive what they view as a better opportunity for their child? If so, why? If not, why not?

No, I do not.. Here's why... I pay the taxes to educate that child.... And HOLY HECK do we pay taxes in Southlake.. :(

~DnM

[Drake]

No, I do not.. Here's why... I pay the taxes to educate that child.... And HOLY HECK do we pay taxes in Southlake.. :(

~DnMNo kidding... Taxes suck...

So you're saying that because the DISD students guardian's pay less taxes than you, they're children aren't entitled to the education opportunities that yours are entitled to?

[dragonsdaddy]

No kidding... Taxes suck...

So you're saying that because the DISD students guardian's pay less taxes than you, they're children aren't entitled to the education opportunities that yours are entitled to?
unless and until we take down the stars and stripes and replace them with the sickle and hammer, that is exactly as it will be. we aren't quite yet a socialist (getting closer every day) society, so there will always be haves and have nots.

[Sakatha]

No kidding... Taxes suck...

So you're saying that because the DISD students guardian's pay less taxes than you, they're children aren't entitled to the education opportunities that yours are entitled to?


There in lies the unfair part... You get what you pay for.

If you can fix the system, you are a brilliant man.. The facts are as follows... Those with money(FOR THE MOST PART!!) get what they want...

Then that goes into why and how they 'have money'... I contend that every human being in this country has an opportunity to make a great life for themselves. Most choose to accept the hand that was dealt them. Most choose to accept 'the way life is'... For me, that wasn't good enough. It all started one *very* bored Friday night in Bedford when I decided to go see a HS playoff game. I got attached to the Dragons, and I started paying attention. Doing my homework, so to speak. I paid attn to the demographics. The people. How they treated each other. I decided to look into the academic aspect of it. What I found was staggering. Southlake was instantly where I wanted my family to be.

Now what I just said isn't written law, but it applies in most cases... It applies in most cases regarding everything in life, and not just education.

Personally, I wish that every young child in America could receive a top notch education... That won't ever occur.

~DnM

[Drake]

Your points are valid but I think there are some valid points that contradict yours. I am not brilliant and therefore have no shot at thinking up a solution. I'm betting when Whyzat has the time, he may point out some of the ways your philosophy is flawed...

In general however it just seems unfair that children of lower income families receive lesser educational opportunities and consequently grow up to have lower income generating opportunities which puts their children right back in the same difficult cycle.

[Sakatha]

Your points are valid but I think there are some valid points that contradict yours. I am not brilliant and therefore have no shot at thinking up a solution. I'm betting when Whyzat has the time, he may point out some of the ways your philosophy is flawed...

In general however it just seems unfair that children of lower income families receive lesser educational opportunities and consequently grow up to have lower income generating opportunities which puts their children right back in the same difficult cycle.

That second paragraph nailed it... You are absolutely 1000% correct.. Yes, 1k, not just 100.. ;)

Like I said, though, I am proof.. It can be done... Just takes a little hard word, good planning, and patience...

It's all about breaking the cycle, and that's the hardest part!

~DnM

[dragonsdaddy]

Your points are valid but I think there are some valid points that contradict yours. I am not brilliant and therefore have no shot at thinking up a solution. I'm betting when Whyzat has the time, he may point out some of the ways your philosophy is flawed...

In general however it just seems unfair that children of lower income families receive lesser educational opportunities and consequently grow up to have lower income generating opportunities which puts their children right back in the same difficult cycle.
i was thinking how unfair it is to expect me to pay in taxes an unbelievebly larger percentage of my hard earned income than close to 50% of the us population, and in fact for the last few years, to remove much of my local school taxes and ship them to another district, all the while seeing my isd cutting back on many of the things that made my decision to move here in the first place. maybe i'm too hard-hearted to fit into our socialist society after all.

[drgnbkr]

i was thinking how unfair it is to expect me to pay in taxes an unbelievebly larger percentage of my hard earned income than close to 50% of the us population, and in fact for the last few years, to remove much of my local school taxes and ship them to another district, all the while seeing my isd cutting back on many of the things that made my decision to move here in the first place. maybe i'm too hard-hearted to fit into our socialist society after all.

25% of our school taxes taken by robin-hood to be redistibuted. Socialist is an apt term....

[ALLIN]

"That second paragraph nailed it... You are absolutely 1000% correct.. Yes, 1k, not just 100.. "

I think this is just another excuse. You were right in that it takes a little hard work, and SELF MOTIVATION to get out of that cycle. I too have done that and am glad I did. Some (I said some) people use the fact that they had a rough childhood, or were poor, to not succeed. My parents could not afford college for me, they did not even get out of tenth grade, so what did I do; got 30000 in debt and went to college, kids just have to want to do it!

[Drake]

i was thinking how unfair it is to expect me to pay in taxes an unbelievebly larger percentage of my hard earned income than close to 50% of the us population, and in fact for the last few years, to remove much of my local school taxes and ship them to another district, all the while seeing my isd cutting back on many of the things that made my decision to move here in the first place. maybe i'm too hard-hearted to fit into our socialist society after all.I'm not a socialist... Maybe a compassionate conservative, but nothing left of that...

Sometimes I pose questions to learn about who I'm conversing with. They don't necessarily indicate my true position.

[dragonsdaddy]

No apts or condos within Southlake city limits to my knowledge.. There is at least 1 apt complex in Grapevine that site on the boundary and is inside CISD, though...

Yes, you are on target... I would assume lots *want* to, but cannot.

~DnM
which complex is in the isd boundary? i can't think of where it is.

[SLCDad]

which complex is in the isd boundary? i can't think of where it is.There are zero apartments within the boundries of Carroll ISD.

[rancher52]

There are zero apartments within the boundries of Carroll ISD.
There are apartments in Grapevine (West of Park and between Mcpherson and Winding Creek that are in the SLC district).

[Sakatha]

There are apartments in Grapevine (West of Park and between Mcpherson and Winding Creek that are in the SLC district).

Thanks, just wasn't sure where.

~DnM

[gwdaddy]

I know the brownstones got a waiver. I am not sure about what went on with Timmarron though.

Back when we built in Timarron (on a large lot for the far north part of the development, but still smaller than 1/2 acre), I was told that the developers were granted a variance for lot sizes because a large amount of green space was retained in the development due to the presence of the golf course.

[drgnbkr]

Back when we built in Timarron (on a large lot for the far north part of the development, but still smaller than 1/2 acre), I was told that the developers were granted a variance for lot sizes because a large amount of green space was retained in the development due to the presence of the golf course.
Timarron also had to donate some land for schools as part of their deal....

[dragons08]

I believe those are retirement. As in, they will be geared towards assisted living or some such.

Southlake will *never* become a haven for condos and or apartments... Not at this rate.

~DnM
ive heard their also clearing out the 'mobile home' type houses..as in southlake is trying to buy the land to build new nicer homes (is what i heard)..plus how walmart left, (this coming from a source close to the police) he said, that southlake thought the building needed to be fixed up b/c it looked like crap and what not, walmart said no..and moved to gpvine

[dragons08]

Timarron also had to donate some land for schools as part of their deal....
doesnt part of timarron go to heritage? b/c i know part of ta is out in colleyville, along 26

[Sakatha]

ive heard their also clearing out the 'mobile home' type houses..as in southlake is trying to buy the land to build new nicer homes (is what i heard)..plus how walmart left, (this coming from a source close to the police) he said, that southlake thought the building needed to be fixed up b/c it looked like crap and what not, walmart said no..and moved to gpvine

Actually, I think it's even more comical than that. I had heard that Wal Mart refused to move some 'out of code' vending machines in front of the store...

~DnM

[LoneStarProud]

There are apartments in Grapevine (West of Park and between Mcpherson and Winding Creek that are in the SLC district).

Are you sure rancher52? I know Winding Creek Estates is within the SL boundry but the apartments that back up to that addition (I thought) are in the grapevine district.

[rancher52]

Are you sure rancher52? I know Winding Creek Estates is within the SL boundry but the apartments that back up to that addition (I thought) are in the grapevine district.
What was told to me by someone with the district staff was that the condos that front McPherson are GCISD, but the apartments that back to the houses on Winding Creek South are SLC. I guess it could have changed in 5 years (about the time I heard this) but the district attendance map seems to support that as well.

[Roughrider]

I don't care if the boy lives in Nantucket! The "privates" would let him play. Let him play!! Shift the focus to that freakin' AAU COACH!! That's what pisses me off... I'm just glad the boy survived his influence and ended up playing football!! AAU coaches ruin more athletes than they help!! BLOODSUCKERS!!

[yankee]

There are zero apartments within the boundries of Carroll ISD.
theres brownstones (pretty much big apartments) going up in town square, but i dont know how many famililes would want to live in them, with kids...

[dragonfootballfan]

Actually, I think it's even more comical than that. I had heard that Wal Mart refused to move some 'out of code' vending machines in front of the store...

~DnM
no Wal Mart knew they were not wanted. There was one city council member that was quoted in one of the local newspapers saying, "everytime I drive by I want to puke." The law about outside vending machines was aimed totally at Wal mart, but the city would have had to give up thousands of dollars in a contract with coca-cola or just not comply with their own ordinance. Wal-mart's lease was up and knew that they were not wanted so they left town.

[slcsportsfan]

Let me clarify some things for you. There are NO apartments in the SLC district areas. Winding Creek is as far as the Zone goes into Grapevine.

The Brownstones going in at the Town Square start at 300k+ actually, from what I've been told, are sold out. I do know that you have to chose from a selected floor plan with no deviations. The outsides will look the same and, sadly, the inside will as well.

[dragons08]

theres brownstones (pretty much big apartments) going up in town square, but i dont know how many famililes would want to live in them, with kids...
their condos, not apartments..my guess is a single parents with a kid, or 2 parenets and a kid, or just a husband and wife...heck maybe even some 'famous' people may, use them as 'temporary' places to live when their in dfw area or something

[RidgePride]

If he were any other kid that wasn't a talented athlete, no one would care. It just so happens that football is not our whole life!!
Thank you.


It is one of those "The Rich get Richer" things. Southlake has been rich on talented receivers the past few years and many people are envious. When another great receiver switches schools to get to Southlake, immediate emotions start to flare.
Not many people outside of Southlake want to see them continue winning. Bringing in Cantu may help them continue the winning ways. I wonder how you cannot understand that.

If you were moving to Grapevine or Colleyville, no one would care except for LD Bell and the new school.

Even I have a hard time believing that the move has nothing to do with football. Southlake Carroll tradition recruits itself.

I really wonder why you would spend time on this board trying to defend yourself even if everyone on the board was dead wrong.

[drgnbkr]

[QUOTE=RidgePride]It is one of those "The Rich get Richer" things. Southlake has been rich on talented receivers the past few years and many people are envious. When another great receiver switches schools to get to Southlake, immediate emotions start to flare.
Not many people outside of Southlake want to see them continue winning. Bringing in Cantu may help them continue the winning ways. I wonder how you cannot understand that.

If you were moving to Grapevine or Colleyville, no one would care but LD Bell and the new school.

Even I have a hard time believing that the move has nothing to do with football. Southlake Carroll tradition recruits itself.

I really wonder why you would spend time on this board trying to defend yourself even if everyone on the board was dead wrong.[/QUOTE

Have you actually read the posts? Your actually speaking to the kids mom you know? Look for this one to get locked pretty quick....She's right ..it's not all about football!

[RidgePride]

Have you actually read the posts? Your actually speaking to the kids mom you know? Look for this one to get locked pretty quick....She's right ..it's not all about football!

I know who I was talking to. I did not say anything malicious. Just spoke my mind. I would bet if Ms. Cantu worked in Bedford and they were living in Southlake, There would be no moving.

Why do we have to walk on eggshells just to post an opinion?

[Sakatha]

I know who I was talking to. I did not say anything malicious. Just spoke my mind. I would bet if Ms. Cantu worked in Bedford and they were living in Southlake, There would be no moving.

Why do we have to walk on eggshells just to post an opinion?


Ya, you're right... Although, I'd call her silly for selling 150k houses when she can sell the 450k ones.. ;)

~DnM

[dragons08]

Ya, you're right... Although, I'd call her silly for selling 150k houses when she can sell the 450k ones.. ;)

~DnM
if you want to get all technical, the southlake average is a tad under 400k..i think like 390k or something

[CCHS77]

if you want to get all technical, the southlake average is a tad under 400k..i think like 390k or something


This morning's DMN, said $471K.

(Wished mine was worth half that!)

[dragons08]

This morning's DMN, said $471K.

(Wished mine was worth half that!)
another newspaper said 390k

[CCHS77]

another newspaper said 390k


Please advise your source. (paper and date)

[dragons08]

Please advise your source. (paper and date)
star telegram had it in there, within the last week or two, when talking about the bond stuff..you may be right, i dont know

[dragons08]

http://www.homegain.com/local_real_estate/TX/southlake.html

according to that website, its just a shade over 400k..404k

[dragonfootballfan]

I think what we have here is a miscommunication. I think that CCHS77 is talking about homes in Southlake and dragons08 is talking about homes in CISD.

[dragons08]

I think what we have here is a miscommunication. I think that CCHS77 is talking about homes in Southlake and dragons08 is talking about homes in CISD.
you know what, i think your acutally right

[blueraiders11]

I agree with the topic creator, I was sick of reading some of these posts and decided to put my input from a team mate of his this year.

I have to say that it was an honor to play with Blake, he was not only a great team mate and player but also a great guy. He is friendly and not in any way big headed or a guy who thinks he is better than everyone else. His mom is also extremely nice and friendly to everyone and is fun to talk to.

Blake will play at Southlake and do well in whatever district they are in. If he can put up the numbers he did this year against that monstrous schedule we played, give him an extra year to get better and come back with a team that is at the level where our team at the moment has not yet reached, we'll see then. He is a tremendous athlete and deserves to be mentioned with the elite recievers in the state.

When all is said and done I fully SUPPORT the decision made by his family, it is theirs not yours. Am I sad that he will no longer be playing for Bell? Yes, but I am done with football so him being on the team doesn't have an impact, and second of all Coach Olivo knows what he is doing and can and will fill the gaping hole left by the departure. Bell still has work to do to get to the level they need to be to suceed, but I know they can do it. If there is a will, there is a way.