Will SLC get beat this season?

[ALLSTAR]

Will SLC get beat this season? and if you think they will, who do u think will beat them...

[raidercheerdad]

Will SLC get beat this season? and if you think they will, who do u think will beat them...If so, it'll probably be in the playoffs!

[LP_FAN_in_Plano]

RaiderCheerDad......... I have to agree with you on that it would be in the playoffs since their district is on the weak side.

[drgnbkr]

I think you will find the district is not so weak, even though this board has it in the middle of the pack...Denton Ryan will reload as they always do and Grapevine & Colleyville will beat some people...Carroll also has a pretty good non-district sched with Midland Lee, Plano East and Coppell.

[raidercheerdad]

I didn't know about Midland Lee for next year -- I think the team to beat in that district is Abilene High. I know that Ryan will reload and Coppell ain't no powerhouse but no pushover either. It should be another good playoff run for you guys!

[LP_FAN_in_Plano]

I think you will find the district is not so weak, even though this board has it in the middle of the pack...Denton Ryan will reload as they always do and Grapevine & Colleyville will beat some people...Carroll also has a pretty good non-district sched with Midland Lee, Plano East and Coppell.

drgnbkr..... while what you say is true Denton Ryan, Grapevine & Colleyville are good teams I do not expect any of them topull off a victory against SLC, nor any of SLC's non-distrct opponets. IF SLC is to have a loss it will have to come from one of the DIV II powerhouses, and that is not a given. Good luck in the upcoming season and hope LP and SLC can meet again in the semis.

[drgnbkr]

Yeah, the LP / Carroll games take on a life of their own.....we all hope that happens too, as it would mean we are in the semis!

[Nukka Nilla]

SLC will not lose...ever. They don't know how to ;)

[CCHS77]

SLC will not lose...ever. They don't know how to ;)



Kids! (Shakes his head!)

What are you going to do with them?!?!?!?!?!?!

[RGVBadBoy]

i also dont think SLC will lose, i think if any team in that district has a shot at them, its Denton Ryan, but i dont think they can knock SLC off either, if SLC loses, it'll be in the State Title game, like when they lost to Katy a couple of seasons ago, but other than that, i will bank on seeing the Dragons in yet another State Title game, maybe against Katy or SmithsonValley, IMO it'll be Smithson Valley that meets them in that game, but im not sure that SmthsonValley who will be MUCH improved, will have the offensive firepower to beat them either.

[southlake thug]

there is no way slc could loose this year. have you seen mcelroy? that kid is ridiculous. he will lead the dragons to yet another state title.

[implacable44]

Isn't this a tired thread? I mean good lord how often can you toot your own horn ? that is why they play. You know what all these predicitions mean ? Nada nothing. Lets play and we will see. I am beginning to think SLC THUG has a man crush on Mcelroy -he even knows what kind of underwear he has-- Does he have a restraining order against you ?

[CCHS77]

there is no way slc could loose this year. have you seen mcelroy? that kid is ridiculous. he will lead the dragons to yet another state title.


There are a bunch of ways, the 05 Dragons could lose. Lets start with blocked/shanked punts!

Do I think they can repeat? Yes! But potential and the proof are separated by 16 weeks.

[c-lisle]

Sure they can be beat. If they make it to the semis again. I predict a Lview/SLC or another Lufkin/SLC matchup in the semis. Lview and Lufkin will both have stout Ds once again and will have the ability to beat them. I like talking about potential match-ups, but there are so many things that can happen over the course of a season. We'll find out soon enough!

[Xfballphenome05]

the winning has 2 end sometime....i pray it will be this season....

[ktrain]

If they make it to the title game Katy will be waiting. Rematch of 2003

[drgnbkr]

If that happens, I'm sure the Dragons will show up...with a ton of motivation!

[SWTAlumni]

I'd say NO since they have yet again found a way to stay away from Tyler Lee, Longview, Lufkin, PA Mem, or the Woodlands in their non-district schedule.

[DrEdward]

I'd say NO since they have yet again found a way to stay away from Tyler Lee, Longview, Lufkin, PA Mem, or the Woodlands in their non-district schedule.

Sure Carroll can lose a game this season. When you get right down to it, they are a bunch of high school kids. True, a bunch of very talented, highly motivated overachievers, but still, 16, 17 and 18 year olds. Carroll's success has been a remarkable combination of coaching and kids. The loss will come again some day. As to this nonsense of avoiding Tyler Lee, Longview, Lufkin, etc., perhaps you haven't noticed that Carroll has played the winner of that East Texas region each year for the past three years in the state semi-finals. As I recall, the Dragons won each of those matchups.

[stevefoxsc]

i think any 5a team in the state of texas has a chance to give carroll a loss most would look at my post and go omg what a effin moron this carroll they are the football god's, well i think any team can be beaten on any given day

[drgnbkr]

There were a number of games in the past 3 years that could have gone either way, but for Carroll's tradition of refusing to lose...they will have to lose again someday.....to whom? We'll see.... :cool:

[Favpack]

I just think DII will be that much tougher this year - period. Assuming no injury bugs - Longview will be better than last year, Lufkin will be as good as last year if the new qb looks as good in pads as he does in 7 on 7, AHS will be better than some are giving credit for, and I think SV or Katy or someone similar will be a tough final mountain for anyone from the north or east.

No one in their right mind would say SLC will be better than last year. BUT - they are still the team to beat. :)

[BigFanSLC]

the 2002 SLC team is by far the best out of the past three years, if it wasnt for that team rising up and making history, then SLC prob. wouldnt of had the drive and motivation to make it to state the past two years.... all im saying is don't forget about the 2002 Dragons, they started all the hype that surrounds SLC these days.

[myround0]

You have to put Longview, Lufkin, Tyler Lee, SLC and even John Tyler in the same district. I has to be done. The future of the planet depends on it.

[Favpack]

These things cycle - SLC will not go the next decade with with only on a loss or two every 30 games - no way (hope no one saves this post :) ) Back in 1980 - we would have all been talking about how Plano and Permian would dominate for ever. Fact of the matter is - they SHOULD have -- but they didn't.

[NewSherriffInTown]

the 2002 SLC team is by far the best out of the past three years, if it wasnt for that team rising up and making history, then SLC prob. wouldnt of had the drive and motivation to make it to state the past two years.... all im saying is don't forget about the 2002 Dragons, they started all the hype that surrounds SLC these days.


We get it, you or your son played for that team.



Hey Implacable...looks like u can't stop posting about SLC still...nah, not a hater though...

[implacable44]

where do I bash SLC ? I talk about somebody's inflated height is all -- and I still say he can play. I don't bash Carroll and I won't until Mckay graduates and then I will have no ties to that school for about 7 years. I recognize that they can play - I have seen them play. They have a good system and good talent.

I don't think SLC will ever lose again man - what are you people crazy or something ? Don't you read this board - SLC can beat them all. Katy - Judson - that 1988 Dallas Carter team - that is the best team I have ever seen play with Armstead etc.. they could beat them too. RIGHT !

Hey look at it this way - if we are making ridiculous claims like the Dragons will not lose then I should be able to say that Converse Judson and Southlake had one opponent in common last year-- Smithson Valley and ..well - you check to box scores of those games for yourself and draw your own silly conclusions.

[NewSherriffInTown]

I didn't say you bash them...you just take shots at them, it's not important, I was just pointing it out to you again so you will realize.\


As for the SV/Judson vs SLC thing...I don't know anything about that, I told you I'm far from an SLC supporter. I respect them from 1500 miles away.


The only thing I can tell you about Judson-SV is that it's my understanding that Judson is an extremely talented athletic FAST bunch of guys, and SV is not. They are well coached and just WIN. Judson may have run all over them with athleticism.

SLC is an athletic team, but I have a feeling their pure speed is probably not up to Judson's caliber, and the two styles may have a hand in why the games looked so different.

[implacable44]

How can you not take shots at them ? Their arrogance requires it. Best this - best that -- it is like that friend - everyone has that friend who - no matter what you have done - what your story is - he has one to top yours. That is Southlake Carroll - The Dragons are that friend. Best QB- BEst WR's - BEst RB - BEst deep snapper - how the heck can you be the best deep snapper? - whatever - Best DB - Best blah blah -- the only thing I know for sure they have the best of is budget problems-- but I digress because here I am taking shots at them and proving your point - DANG YOU SHERRIF.

[NewSherriffInTown]

I can understand that. It's actually a great analogy, but I don't see that from their level-headed posters, you just have to be mature enough to know who is worth listening to, and who isn't. That's all.

[implacable44]

Yes I agree with that. I am discovering which one of these folks are just band members who don't play or understand any sport and those who do.

[drgnbkr]

These things cycle - SLC will not go the next decade with with only on a loss or two every 30 games - no way (hope no one saves this post :) ) Back in 1980 - we would have all been talking about how Plano and Permian would dominate for ever. Fact of the matter is - they SHOULD have -- but they didn't.

In Plano, they built the 2 new High Schools: East & West, in Permians case, I guess the wind & dust finally got em... ;) At Carroll, we're a 1 school town...but never take winning for granted....Championships in 3 different decades makes you proud to be a Dragon!

[BigFanSLC]

How can you not take shots at them ? Their arrogance requires it. Best this - best that -- it is like that friend - everyone has that friend who - no matter what you have done - what your story is - he has one to top yours. That is Southlake Carroll - The Dragons are that friend. Best QB- BEst WR's - BEst RB - BEst deep snapper - how the heck can you be the best deep snapper? - whatever - Best DB - Best blah blah -- the only thing I know for sure they have the best of is budget problems-- but I digress because here I am taking shots at them and proving your point - DANG YOU SHERRIF.

Yah but most of the time the people that argue on this board are the ones that don't know anything about SLC. they just hear rumors like this kid runs a 4.4...... then everyone starts saying oh everyone runs a 4.4 at southlake bc their on steroids. People take shots at SLC everyday. why? i dont know maybe b/c....
A) They are jeolous of SLC's success/program the past three years
B) They have played SLC and got beat up and down the field in every phase of the game.
or
C) They have no clue what they are talking about and just like to start crap with SLC fans b/c Dragon fans like to defend their program.

so why do you like to take shots????

[drgnbkr]

Like I always say..."The dog with the bone is always in peril"....implacablewhatever is always letting his envy cloud his thinking....

[RidgePride]

Hey look at it this way - if we are making ridiculous claims like the Dragons will not lose then I should be able to say that Converse Judson and Southlake had one opponent in common last year-- Smithson Valley and ..well - you check to box scores of those games for yourself and draw your own silly conclusions.

Box Scores


Statistic ---- SLC --- SMV
First downs ---- 23 --- 14
Rushing yards ---- 32-156 --- 29-73
Passing yards ---- 295 --- 15
Comp-att-int ---- 23-35-0 --- 13-31-1
Punts-avg --- 3-24.0 --- 5-34.0
Penalties-yards ---- 4-44 --- 8-35
Fumbles-lost ---- 3-2 --- 0

Total Yards SLC 451. Smithson Valley 88
Only reason game was close were the 2 costly turnovers.

Statistic Judson SMV

Rushing yards ---- 41-311 --- 37-137
Passing yards ---- 71 --- 172
Comp-att-int ---- 2-5-1 --- 18-42-2


Total Yards Judson 382 --- Smithson Valley 309 Judson + 1 on turnovers

Make out whatever you want of it.

[implacable44]

I notice you didnt bother to post the scores of those 2 games - wonder why.

I explained why I take shots. I also compliment and recognize talent.

I never said anything about steroids - although # 5 on the 7 on 7 team would make one wonder........

The dog with the bone blah blah blah whatever - I went to Judson -- I don't have anything to envy. When you guys can get as much success for as long as Judson has in the 5a arena then we can talk envy - SLC is striving to become a Judson. Envy has nothing to do with it.

implacable actually has a meaning--look it up in that thing called a dictionary. Means the same in Spanish too-- same spelling and everything. That is your lesson for the day. After you find out the meaning ask Evan to bring you with him to play basketball on Saturday morning and I will show you.

[ktCarl]

Kids! (Shakes his head!)

What are you going to do with them?!?!?!?!?!?!

Me thinks he didn't attend the 2003 Final.

[RidgePride]

I notice you didnt bother to post the scores of those 2 games - wonder why.



SLC 27 SV 24

Total Yards
SLC 451. Smithson Valley 88
Only reason game was close were the 2 costly turnovers and a blocked punt returned for a touchdown.



Judson 30 SV 15
Total Yards
Judson 382 --- Smithson Valley 309
Judson + 1 on turnovers

Make out of it whatever you want

[Texasfrog]

Box Scores


Statistic ---- SLC --- SMV
First downs ---- 23 --- 14
Rushing yards ---- 32-156 --- 29-73
Passing yards ---- 295 --- 15
Comp-att-int ---- 23-35-0 --- 13-31-1
Punts-avg --- 3-24.0 --- 5-34.0
Penalties-yards ---- 4-44 --- 8-35
Fumbles-lost ---- 3-2 --- 0

Total Yards SLC 451. Smithson Valley 88
Only reason game was close were the 2 costly turnovers.

Statistic Judson SMV

Rushing yards ---- 41-311 --- 37-137
Passing yards ---- 71 --- 172
Comp-att-int ---- 2-5-1 --- 18-42-2


Total Yards Judson 382 --- Smithson Valley 309 Judson + 1 on turnovers

Make out whatever you want of it.

I know that turnovers are part of the games. I hate to say take that play away and add this play and ect.... But, I have to agree with you. If SLC doesnt have two costly turnovers in the first half... the game is probably a 20 plus pts blowout game.....

[implacable44]

This is what I make of it :

Scoreboard. - and where was that game played??

[Lufkin_Class_Of_08]

SLC will lose this year...in the 5th round to lufkin at LHS west (tamu) :D

[drgnbkr]

We'll see about that...........

__________________________________________________ _

Southlake Carroll - The team that always beats Lufkin...... ;)

[NewSherriffInTown]

Implacable...they gave the stats...LOL


I definitely see SLC as dominating against SV. Judson didn't dominate so much LOL. Sorry buddy, I gave you the reason why it could've ended up the way you were making it sounds with matchups, but either way...SLC would've dominated both of them.

[IAmTigerWoods]

Listen, thug, I call shots like a boss! Mcelroy i heard gets a little to FIRED up at times!?! I mean he is a Mc and has a BIG HEAD of red hair, so we will cutt him some slack,, but one question, do you have a man crush on him???

[southlake thug]

i heard the ncaa and nfl are changing the rules so mcelroy can go straight to the league. i heard the patriots are looking at him.

[Texasfrog]

i heard the ncaa and nfl are changing the rules so mcelroy can go straight to the league. i heard the patriots are looking at him.

To do what ? Paint the lines on the field and pick up trash after games ? :confused:

[southlake thug]

haha that was funny but to compete with brady for the starting job, belecheck wants to give him some competition.

[Texasfrog]

haha that was funny but to compete with brady for the starting job, belecheck wants to give him some competition.

Ok.. just making sure.

[IAmTigerWoods]

MCelroy's season is going to be hot...like el nino!!! AHUAHU

[implacable44]

I could care less about stats. Points man -- points - margin of victory. Judson beat them easy. - most of those yards were garbage yards.

[Nukka Nilla]

:p Hey Thug, you nose is huge and your hair is dwindling...

[dragonfootballfan]

I could care less about stats. Points man -- points - margin of victory. Judson beat them easy. - most of those yards were garbage yards.
I Think anyone that was at the smithson valley vs. carroll game will tell you that it was Carroll's worst game all season. Now a great team is one that can beat a championship caliber team on their worst day.

[NewSherriffInTown]

Two years ago, NJ powerhouse, Don Bosco Prep was potentially the best team in the country. They were loaded and by far the best team in the Northeast that everyone who's seen tons of football saw.


They beat their archrival, bergen catholic in the regular season 46-7. They played them in the state title game at Giants Stadium and hung on for their life and won 14-13. It doesn't take away from them being the greatest because they had SEVEN turnovers. Name teams who can overcome SEVEN turnovers to win?? Thats why they are champions.


Besides the fact that the Bergen coach elected not to take 3 points in the first half expection Bosco to erupt in the second and trying for the TD.

[implacable44]

I was at that game and I wouldn't say it was the worst game of the season. I don't know how you can make that claim. Heck it was even a home game for your boys as half their season was played in that stadium anyway.

[CCHS77]

I was at that game and I wouldn't say it was the worst game of the season. I don't know how you can make that claim. Heck it was even a home game for your boys as half their season was played in that stadium anyway.


Now theres a surprise. You don't agree with a SLC fan.

It was a home game. We played SV (in 02) at their home stadium. (Alamo Dome)

[RidgePride]

I was at that game and I wouldn't say it was the worst game of the season. I don't know how you can make that claim. Heck it was even a home game for your boys as half their season was played in that stadium anyway.


How many other games did you see of SLC - Tell me which game was worse
by turnovers and miscues

[southlake thug]

nukka- nice hair

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

I think SLC will lose. most likely in the regular season as well.

[implacable44]

I saw Keller, both Denton Ryans, Every play-off game and Grapevine.- I don't think those turnovers were bad play - I thought it was good defense.

[ALLSTAR]

I was at that game and I wouldn't say it was the worst game of the season. I don't know how you can make that claim. Heck it was even a home game for your boys as half their season was played in that stadium anyway.

are you crazy? it was definitley their worst game and if you asked any of the players and coaches for SLC they would agree. SLC hadnt had a turnover for a TD until that game, hadnt had more than one lost fumble until that game, chase only threw for one TD, prob the first time for that until that game... it was their worst game, but because SLC is so good, they prevailed and won another state championship and partied all night long.

[implacable44]

exactly - It had nothing to do with the defensive scheme of Smithson Valley - who I might add played terrible on offense - but that was probably due to that stellar Iron Curtain Dragon Defense right ? -- not that they played their worst game of the year too ?

[dragonfootballfan]

exactly - It had nothing to do with the defensive scheme of Smithson Valley - who I might add played terrible on offense - but that was probably due to that stellar Iron Curtain Dragon Defense right ? -- not that they played their worst game of the year too ?
Smithson Valley played well but in that game Carroll mayed a lot of uncaroll like plays and they still won. Smithson Valley did not turn the ball over and took advantage of the oppurtunities they were handed. Their offense was not good, but it was good enough. SLC did play their worst game of the season that day but still won. I would like to see what made you think that the other games they played were worse

[drgnbkr]

exactly - It had nothing to do with the defensive scheme of Smithson Valley - who I might add played terrible on offense - but that was probably due to that stellar Iron Curtain Dragon Defense right ? -- not that they played their worst game of the year too ?

Implacable...you just really have a hard time dealing with the Dragons success don't you? Come on, you can admit it.....Carroll has had one of the best defenses in the state for years..especially these last 3 years (47 &1) would'nt you agree? Somebody has to stop the other team & hand our O the ball right? Or is it just that the Dragons have been lucky?

[BAMF cowboy]

The Dragons defense has done what has been asked of them. When your offense is going to score 50 points a game, there isn't much pressure on you as a defense to be the heroes. However, when we need a play from them, they have provided.

Just off the top of my head I recall the Abilene game at Texas Stadium, where Taylor Potts was driving the Eagles downfield, seemingly unstoppable, with seconds remaining and Abilene surely headed towards the endzone to take the lead, Pat Benoist comes up with the INT. When we need them, they're there.

[CoppellCowboy57]

I didn't know about Midland Lee for next year -- I think the team to beat in that district is Abilene High. I know that Ryan will reload and Coppell ain't no powerhouse but no pushover either. It should be another good playoff run for you guys!


hahaha, I gotta hand to ppl saying that Coppell isnt a pushover after last seasons 70-21 blow out... but I do have to say, this is the best team to go through Coppell in a long time

[southlake thug]

beniost is a beast and comes up big in clutch situations.

[dentonRYAN]

i think SLC will 100% lose this season.... i think it will happen 2-3 actually.... once in the playoffs.... they just are not as good as last year....

as a denton ryan supporter....i have 10-17-05 circled when we play SLC.... but i feel that its a low chance that den. ryan will beat SLC cuz they have lost more than SLC has....their team last year was great....but i dont think can get it done this year

[BigFanSLC]

Why don't you think this next years team is going to not be as good as the past years??? B/c Daniel and Luna are gone? If i was a Denton Ryan fan i would be very scared to face prob. one of the Top QB's in the State of Texas next season. Greg McElroy will prove those doubters wrong. Also with that receiving corp that he has to throw to. The defense should look a lot like the 2002 State Champions D. Fast and Smart.
It's Southlake Carroll Tradition, prove those non-believers wrong every season.

[dragonfootballfan]

i think SLC will 100% lose this season.... i think it will happen 2-3 actually.... once in the playoffs.... they just are not as good as last year....

as a denton ryan supporter....i have 10-17-05 circled when we play SLC.... but i feel that its a low chance that den. ryan will beat SLC cuz they have lost more than SLC has....their team last year was great....but i dont think can get it done this year
I find it funny that people think that SLC will be down next year. If you asked me I would say that this years team is probably better than last years team

[Purple Haze]

I find it funny that people think that SLC will be down next year. If you asked me I would say that this years team is probably better than last years team

Better than last year's team? Now that is wishful thinking right there. Time will tell if they are as good as last year but certainly not better. Last year you had a proven hoss QB and absolutely one of the best (if not THE best) blocking and catching RB I have witnessed at the high school level in Luna. As has been said before many times, those backs are few and far between. :cool:

[RidgePride]

Better than last year's team? Now that is wishful thinking right there. Time will tell if they are as good as last year but certainly not better. Last year you had a proven hoss QB and absolutely one of the best (if not THE best) blocking and catching RB I have witnessed at the high school level in Luna. As has been said before many times, those backs are few and far between. :cool:

I have heard from some of those close to Southlake that this is the best group of receivers they have ever had. Also, that Mcelroy is more accurate than Daniels.
Newton Son (RB) is faster than Luna.

They really are supposed to be better next year. (ON PAPER)

[dragonfootballfan]

Better than last year's team? Now that is wishful thinking right there. Time will tell if they are as good as last year but certainly not better. Last year you had a proven hoss QB and absolutely one of the best (if not THE best) blocking and catching RB I have witnessed at the high school level in Luna. As has been said before many times, those backs are few and far between. :cool:
This year the team will not be replacing those backs with just a replacement player. Overall the group of receivers for this team may be as good as the receivers on the 2002 team. The defense has experience in the secondary and should be improved over last year's campaign

[dentonRYAN]

Denton Ryan's motto this year.....

"Its time to end the tradition"

[Purple Haze]

I have heard from some of those close to Southlake that this is the best group of receivers they have ever had. Also, that Mcelroy is more accurate than Daniels. Newton Son (RB) is faster than Luna.They really are supposed to be better next year. (ON PAPER)

Nobody ever questioned the stable of receivers this year. McElroy may be the next Matt Leinert but we will have to wait a few months before that is known. Chase Daniels was a proven stud. Luna was not an unusually fast back so your Sophomore may be faster. Lets be honest here, Luna's speed isn't what made him so dynamic. It is hard to teach that blocking ability (and to have the size and strength) like that dude had. He was an animal. ;)

[RedRage00]

Will SLC get beat?


You never know in TX HS Football...this aint NEW YORK FOOTBALL LOL

RR

[dragonfootballfan]

Denton Ryan's motto this year.....

"Its time to end the tradition"
thats the thing about tradition, you can't end it in one year. but it is very flattering that you would have your motto be a shot at ours

[dragons08]

so tell me if im wrong dentonryan, you rather have alll your focus on beating us, rather than trying to make the playoffs and strive for state?

[BigFanSLC]

haha i wouldnt try to just beat SLC, look at Grapevine and Coppell, they used to always just want to beat SLC and focus their whole season on the one game against the Dragons, but unfortunetly they waste their season and the game ;)

[dragons08]

and dentonryan, do you play on the team or not? cause if your not, i would assume the team rather win state, than win a game against the dragons

[dragonfootballfan]

haha i wouldnt try to just beat SLC, look at Grapevine and Coppell, they used to always just want to beat SLC and focus their whole season on the one game against the Dragons, but unfortunetly they waste their season and the game ;)
Actually Grapevine won state in 1998 after basing their entire season on beating SLC. I don't remember who won the Grapevine vs. SLC game that year though. It has never been successful for Coppell though who really have not beaten the dragons that much anyway

[businesstron]

Will SLC get beat?


You never know in TX HS Football...this aint NEW YORK FOOTBALL LOL

RR
True,
If they do lose though it probably won't be in district(unless Denton Ryan pulls something). In the playoffs though they have a good chance of losing.
It all depends how their new talent develops.

[BigFanSLC]

and we wont know untill August 27th @ 2:00 p.m. in Abilene, TX against Midland Lee.

[CCHS77]

I don't remember who won the Grapevine vs. SLC game that year though. It has never been successful for Coppell though who really have not beaten the dragons that much anyway


Oct 23 Gpvine vs Southlake Carroll L 23-28 11-4A

[dentonRYAN]

do any of the SLC people know if Keller will be any good this year?

[dentonRYAN]

and dentonryan, do you play on the team or not? cause if your not, i would assume the team rather win state, than win a game against the dragons

no i dont play for the team.... and yes the team rather win state.... but i would be great to win against the number 1 team in the nation

[dragons08]

no i dont play for the team.... and yes the team rather win state.... but i would be great to win against the number 1 team in the nation
oh because, IMO, you made it sound like you were speaking for the team

[KT2000]

It's tough for me to predict a loss for Carroll because, quite frankly and with no disrespect to anyone on their schedule, I don't see it happening in the regular season. The road game against Ryan is tricky but the Raiders won't be as strong as they have been for the last few years unless they can find a quarterback. Following James Battle and Justin Willis is an unbelievable challenge.

As we said with the top 25, we feel like each one of the teams in the top seven have the talent to win state.

If Carroll gets back to state this year, they'd be the first school to ever (officially) advance to four straight state championship games in 5A.

Katy actually accomplished that feat "on the field" but "unofficially" through 1997, 1998, 1999 and 2000. Obviously, the state title game-eve DQ because of the ineligible player used very late in the 40-0 quarterfinal win over Clear Brook thwarted that.

[farmerfan]

Katy actually accomplished that feat "on the field" but "unofficially" through 1997, 1998, 1999 and 2000. Obviously, the state title game-eve DQ because of the ineligible player used very late in the 40-0 quarterfinal win over Clear Brook thwarted that.


Kt or KT Champ, I dont know if you guys have ever been asked this, and it is all talking in the past, but what are your thoughts on who would have won between Lee and Katy in 98, I remember going to Tx stadium that Sat for what I thought would be a great double header, only to arrive at Tx Stadium to find no Katy. Had Katy been given the chance to play Lee, do you guys think that Katy would have won? If I remember correctly the 98 team had a more impressive run than the 97 team did, right? I just always wondered what you guys thought would have been the outcome had the true state championship occurred that year.

[KT2000]

In my opinion, the 1998 Tiger defense is the best that Katy's ever had. Yes, better than the 97 defense that held a super-talented Longview offense to 3 points in the previous season's state championship game.

The 97 offense was better around (huge, experienced OL), but '98 was more experienced in the backfield. The QB Matt Gore and RB Bronston Carroll started as juniors on the 97 team.

The big question in the build up to the game against Lee was Carroll's health. He was forced to exit the Macarthur game in the Alamodome after one of the first plays from scrimmage the previous week because he had his ankle twisted (and sprained). Katy struggled to put points on the board after Carroll went out, but big plays from QB Gore and sophomore WR Jamel Branch sent Katy through along with a stifling defense.

Katy definitely had the experience edge all-around having advanced to, and won, the state title the previous year. Also, Katy had maintained the #1 AP state ranking since the middle of the season. That Tiger team took very good care of the ball and just didn't make the big mistake in any phase.

Lee basically jumped the gun by a year in '98 advancing to the state title with a team that was junior dominated, and obviously boosted by the supreme ability of super soph Cedric Benson. They rode a huge wave of momentum into the title game.

I believe the game would have been very defense-oriented and lower scoring (outdoor element at Texas Stadium would contribute to that). I envisioned an absolute physical slugfest of a game. Midland Lee was good enough to win because of their balance on offense, and very good defense. Katy was good enough to win because of the methodical, efficient offense that made little to no mistakes (Gore was very smart out there) and a very physical defense that specialized in separating the ball from the opponent.

It would have been a great game between two very good programs. Of course, we in Katy were devastated by the sudden turn of events that year but I believe the experience from 98 has only made the program stronger. It served as a great learning experience that nothing is guaranteed in this world, and you'd better appreciate what you've got because you just never know what's going to happen.

[implacable44]

No - I dont have a hard time dealing with their success at all. I root for a few players on the team because I know them.

As far as the statements about the Dragon defense being superb- I don't agree with that. WHen your offense was scoring at the pace that the Greenies historically do - it puts pressure on the other team to keep pace and as a general rule in Texas - teams don't employ the same schemes as the Dragons and therefore they are prone to make more and more mistakes. I would even go so far to say not many teams are conditioned to keep pace - they are like the Suns in the NBA.

[slcsportsfan]

Nobody ever questioned the stable of receivers this year. McElroy may be the next Matt Leinert but we will have to wait a few months before that is known. Chase Daniels was a proven stud. Luna was not an unusually fast back so your Sophomore may be faster. Lets be honest here, Luna's speed isn't what made him so dynamic. It is hard to teach that blocking ability (and to have the size and strength) like that dude had. He was an animal. ;)

Just for those debating Luna's speed. He ran a 10.6 hundred as a Freshman in the the region finals where he placed 6 of 8. Before his senior year, he also ran a 4.38 fourty at the Nike Combine down at A$M. He had the 2nd fastest time there behind a kid that ran a 4.34. In watching Newton, he is quicker in his first few steps but, where Luna used to run by guys, Newton has to make them miss. We are hoping that Newton continues to learn how to catch and block, otherwise we will see a lot of a two back rotation.

[RidgePride]

I think Newton is definitely more agile and shifty. Those first few steps are what gets a RB through the holes.
Straight ahead speed alone is not what makes running backs great.
I think Newton will be a better back. He is a little skinny though.

[dentonRYAN]

I think Newton will be a non issue this season.... becuase with the recievers they have this year there is no need to run the ball too much. Even in texas, most high schools dont have 3 good corner backs that can cover those recievers. Newton will be very important as a seniors, after this years seniors leave.....

[Texasfrog]

I think Newton will be a non issue this season.... becuase with the recievers they have this year there is no need to run the ball too much. Even in texas, most high schools dont have 3 good corner backs that can cover those recievers. Newton will be very important as a seniors, after this years seniors leave.....

Ya.. but you throw in a tough runner like (Luna) in that offense with all those Wr's and it turns that offense into another upper level on top of having very athletic QB's.

[RidgePride]

I think Newton will be a non issue this season.... becuase with the recievers they have this year there is no need to run the ball too much. Even in texas, most high schools dont have 3 good corner backs that can cover those recievers. Newton will be very important as a seniors, after this years seniors leave.....

A really good passing game is what makes a running back look so good.

I think that really helped Luna. I did not think he was a great back -

[Texasfrog]

A really good passing game is what makes a running back look so good.

I think that really helped Luna. I did not think he was a great back -

I'm not saying that I think Luna is or was a so called GREAT back. GREAT backs to me are the kids that go on to D-1A BCS conferences and see alot of playing time their freshman year ( Peterson, Benson, Bush and ect).

I do think the Luna was a blue-chip caliber back and very good. I dont think you could ask for a better all-around "RB" in the SLC system than what Luna brought to them. His running, blocking and catching skills were second to none and not many other Texas backs would of done as good as Luna in that system.

PS. Benson didnt have the best passing team on the planet and he was an All-American National caliber blue-chip. I think he ran for about 2,500 yards his senior season with little passing. What he did have was one of the best High school O-lines ever...

[drgnbkr]

No - I dont have a hard time dealing with their success at all. I root for a few players on the team because I know them.

As far as the statements about the Dragon defense being superb- I don't agree with that. WHen your offense was scoring at the pace that the Greenies historically do - it puts pressure on the other team to keep pace and as a general rule in Texas - teams don't employ the same schemes as the Dragons and therefore they are prone to make more and more mistakes. I would even go so far to say not many teams are conditioned to keep pace - they are like the Suns in the NBA.

You have hit on something with the conditioning...the Midland Lee game last year exposed a poorly conditioned Lee team..If you saw the game they had their hands on their knees, huffing for O2 early in the first half, & it was'nt just frustration..they could'nt keep up conditioning-wise. We saw that fairly regularly last year...granted, it's tough to cover all the WR's & pressure the QB, but if your not in peak shape...you are in for a long night against Carroll...

[Texasfrog]

You have hit on something with the conditioning...the Midland Lee game last year exposed a poorly conditioned Lee team..If you saw the game they had their hands on their knees, huffing for O2 early in the first half, & it was'nt just frustration..they could'nt keep up conditioning-wise. We saw that fairly regularly last year...granted, it's tough to cover all the WR's & pressure the QB, but if your not in peak shape...you are in for a long night against Carroll...

I'll agree with some of that. What I think was a bigger difference in the Mid.Lee vs SLC game was the fact that Midland Lee just didnt have enough time with the coach. They didnt get to go through Spring football the year before and they only had about 3 weeks of practice learning the new system. That hurt them badly in that game with SLC in zero-week.

The Midland Lee team I saw play Abilene high in week 10 wasnt anything like the Midland Lee team I saw play SLC. In fact if Midland Lee QB doesnt twist his ankle badly at the end up the 3rd QT.. Midland Lee probably beats Abilene in Abilene.

In fact the only reason "I think" Midland Lee lost to Mansfield Summit was because their QB-McCoy was about 60% in the game.

PS. You're right though.. if your playing a team like SLC you better be in bigtime shape.

[Red Raiders]

Kt or KT Champ, I dont know if you guys have ever been asked this, and it is all talking in the past, but what are your thoughts on who would have won between Lee and Katy in 98, I remember going to Tx stadium that Sat for what I thought would be a great double header, only to arrive at Tx Stadium to find no Katy. Had Katy been given the chance to play Lee, do you guys think that Katy would have won? If I remember correctly the 98 team had a more impressive run than the 97 team did, right? I just always wondered what you guys thought would have been the outcome had the true state championship occurred that year.

Come on people, which Lee school? its so gay when they say just Lee and alot of people don't know what there talking about.

[dentonRYAN]

I've never seen Greg McElroy play or heard too much about him.... i think he could make or break their season ..... but from colleges already looking at him when he still hasnt played in one game shows that he might be pretty good.

And all you SLC fans....dont tell me how good McElroy is unless you actually saw him play in a JV game or something....

[NewSherriffInTown]

Will SLC get beat?


You never know in TX HS Football...this aint NEW YORK FOOTBALL LOL

RR


What the hell is that supposed to mean?? Where does NY come into this??

Just because we had the Gatorade national player of the year doesn't mean you have to pick on us :p

[CCHS77]

I've never seen Greg McElroy play or heard too much about him.... i think he could make or break their season ..... but from colleges already looking at him when he still hasnt played in one game shows that he might be pretty good.

And all you SLC fans....dont tell me how good McElroy is unless you actually saw him play in a JV game or something....


dR,

You really have to start reading the McElroy press alittle closer.

Fact; McIlroy hasn't started a single HS varsity football game, yet!

Fact; McElroy was back up to Daniel and played in probably 12 - 13 varsity games, last year. Unfortunately, that meant a game where the game was already won and Greg was normally asked to hand the ball off, or run himself to runout the clock.

Even in "mop up" role, he was;

18-30-0 208 yards and 2 TDs passing.
40 rushes, for 173 yards and 3 TDs, in Varsity games!

[drgnbkr]

I've never seen Greg McElroy play or heard too much about him.... i think he could make or break their season ..... but from colleges already looking at him when he still hasnt played in one game shows that he might be pretty good.

And all you SLC fans....dont tell me how good McElroy is unless you actually saw him play in a JV game or something....

He's going to be fine...We've all seen him play...he is taller than Daniel, very accurate, strong arm...not the runner that Daniel is, but under Coach Dodge he will be very good. Has seven offers on the table & visiting Stanford soon.

[dentonRYAN]

i saw the list of schools....very nice list....very good schools

[fabdragnfan]

Will we get beat this year??? That's a tough question. If we do it will be in the playoffs...deep in the playoffs. I've read through the postings on this thread and it sure is interesting to see all the trash talking already. It's June! (I just love TX fball!!) Here are a few points from my reading....


**Someone commented on this district as being weak. I wouldn't call it weak. There's a lot of talent in our district and some very talented coaches using the spread offense as well. I do agree that that Dragons will come out on top of district easily, but the 2 and 3 spots will be heavily fought for. Keller, Denton Ryan, Fossil...good teams with talent. You just never know.

**Someone noted that Newton would be a "non-issue" this year. Hello!!! You must not have been at the spring football games! He will do far more damage than Luna ever dreamed of doing. p.s. I wouldn't use "skinny" to describe him either.

**McElroy at QB's got me a little nervous. No starts in a varsity game. That's a lot of pressure if you haven't felt the heat before. Also he's not a mobile as Daniels was. We'll need to utilize the WR more, but I really liked how Daniels could run if he needed to. It will be interesting to see how all this shapes up.


Go Dragons!Go Dragons!

[drgnbkr]

Don't ever minimize what Luna did for the spread offense at Carroll....we'll probably never see a back at Carroll as complete as Aaron Luna....Tre Newton is just a new chapter....

[JC73]

I Think anyone that was at the smithson valley vs. carroll game will tell you that it was Carroll's worst game all season. Now a great team is one that can beat a championship caliber team on their worst day.

First of all, I have nothing but respect the SLC program. They have a great coach, great system and great fans. But I have a problem with the "worst game," "offensive stats," "fumbles" excuse for a close game with SV. This is how SV wins so many games. They have caused many teams to play "bad" games. Fumbles are usually caused, kicking game mistakes, and just playing hard can cause teams that look flawless in past games look like they are having a off day. Never take anything from a worthy opponent that almost beat you. That makes you look arrogant. But hold on, I know many SLC fans and posters that give SV credit so don't take this the wrong way.
Until SLC is beaten, they are deserving of praise guys.
One the other hand, one thing is for certain. SLC's dominance will eventually end. They may always be competative, but a dynasty? Maybe, but how long? It may not happen this year (but could) or the next, but sorry, nothing last forever, especially in Texas High School football. This winning system thing for a team is nothing new. Many have seemed unbeatable and have a "unbeatable system," but it always comes full circle and things will change.
SLC is the best for now, so SLC fans enjoy it and talk it up while you can. You deserve it. But be careful how you treat your opponents. Especially those who almost beat you.

[RidgePride]

First of all, I have nothing but respect the SLC program. They have a great coach, great system and great fans. But I have a problem with the "worst game," "offensive stats," "fumbles" excuse for a close game with SV. This is how SV wins so many games. They have caused many teams to play "bad" games. Fumbles are usually caused, kicking game mistakes, and just playing hard can cause teams that look flawless in past games look like they are having a off day. Never take anything from a worthy opponent that almost beat you. That makes you look arrogant. But hold on, I know many SLC fans and posters that give SV credit so don't take this the wrong way.
Until SLC is beaten, they are deserving of praise guys.
One the other hand, one thing is for certain. SLC's dominance will eventually end. They may always be competative, but a dynasty? Maybe, but how long? It may not happen this year (but could) or the next, but sorry, nothing last forever, especially in Texas High School football. This winning system thing for a team is nothing new. Many have seemed unbeatable and have a "unbeatable system," but it always comes full circle and things will change.
SLC is the best for now, so SLC fans enjoy it and talk it up while you can. You deserve it. But be careful how you treat your opponents. Especially those who almost beat you.


Of course they will eventually lose. I would say the odds are against them to make it to the state championship next year.


They are just the team right now - Just like Plano of the late eighties - Permian and others.

[Texasfrog]

What the hell is that supposed to mean?? Where does NY come into this??

Just because we had the Gatorade national player of the year doesn't mean you have to pick on us :p


Please... no doubt that New York put their 10 players each year into D-1A football. But, heck man... If you have D-1A ability in the New York you're going to look like an All-American. Why ?? The High school football in New York is probably on par with Texas Freshman football. I'm not joking either !!

Take away your one or maybe two dominate "PRIVATE PREP SCHOOLS" there is nothing but alot of Texas freshman level teams playing at best. Plus, the New York one or two dominate Prep schools would probably be second rate chumps if they played in Texas 5A and most Texas 4A districts.

[NewSherriffInTown]

NATIONAL PLAYER OF THE YEAR, Frog...


Thank you, come again...


We also have the #1 WR in the country this year.


CBA and New Rochelle would've competed with your top "15" (is it that you love to talk about??) with ease last year.


You always blow this crap around, and it's laughable. It's funny because you take yourself so seriously.

I really don't know who I want to win that Colerain-Lee game because I want Ohioans to shut up or you to shut up.

Texas A&M needed a LB so bad they had to come to Poughkeepsie NY to get Featherston this year. People in NY don't even know who he is and A&M went after him.

If NYC had a clue about football, this wouldn't be a conversation...take out their close to 9-10 million people and NY is a state of 10 million people

take into account that we have the best education in the country and the fact that there is 2 division I programs in the state.

We do just fine. if NYC was ever tapped, forget it, NY would be a football state like they are basketball.

[implacable44]

Did you just say that New York has the best education ? Did you mean to put liberal in front of the word education ?

[dentonRYAN]

best education in the country


hahahahhaha....you new yorker make me laugh....have you talked to the people of ny....not the smartest in the country...lol

[RidgePride]

NATIONAL PLAYER OF THE YEAR, Frog...


Thank you, come again...


We also have the #1 WR in the country this year.


CBA and New Rochelle would've competed with your top "15" (is it that you love to talk about??) with ease last year.


You always blow this crap around, and it's laughable. It's funny because you take yourself so seriously.

I really don't know who I want to win that Colerain-Lee game because I want Ohioans to shut up or you to shut up.

Texas A&M needed a LB so bad they had to come to Poughkeepsie NY to get Featherston this year. People in NY don't even know who he is and A&M went after him.

If NYC had a clue about football, this wouldn't be a conversation...take out their close to 9-10 million people and NY is a state of 10 million people

take into account that we have the best education in the country and the fact that there is 2 division I programs in the state.

We do just fine. if NYC was ever tapped, forget it, NY would be a football state like they are basketball.


Please - I have had enough of one guy trying to pump up his second tier football state (Ohio).

New York football is not even second tier but 4th or 5th.


I think Southlake will be defeated this year-
QB just too inexperienced - There will be close games just like last year and the QB will be vital.

Question:

Is Mcelory a taller version of Chase Wasson?

[southlake thug]

wow.. mcelroy is not a taller version of wasson


more like peyton manning

[implacable44]

Don't cut your boyfriend short Thug - are you like the Thug cheerleader boys from the Longest yard?

anyway - don't cut him short-- Mcelroy is more like vintage Brett Favre or Steve Young - maybe even Joe Montana material.

I don't know if New York is 4th or 5th tier - IT is hard to deny that there are plenty of athletes coming out of New York but I definitely have to say again - that NY being the best education is completely ridiculous. I mean - that is just laughable.

[southlake thug]

implaccable be mature. i just realize the talent that this kid has and i am just trying to proove my point. in 4 or 5 years when he is a first round draft pick, we will see who is laughing. but those comparisons with montana, young, and favre are fine with me.

[implacable44]

Thug life are you really telling someone to be mature? You -- have you read the stuff you write?

I wouldn't compare him to any of those guys. I wouldn't compare him to anyone because he has not done anything.

[RidgePride]

I always felt that Chase Wasson was like a Payton Manning or Montana.

If he was 6'5" He would have been one of the most sought after QBs in the Nation.

[drgnbkr]

I always felt that Chase Wasson was like a Payton Manning or Montana.

If he was 6'5" He would have been one of the most sought after QBs in the Nation.

Riley Dodge will be the one that will be compared with Wasson, IMO...

[dentonRYAN]

lets do a chant for SLC:

Southlake Carroll is.....
OVER-RATED
bum...bumbum...bum....bumbum
OVER-RATED
bum...bumbum...bum....bumbum
Southlake Carrollis
OVER-RATED
bum...bumbum...bum....bumbum
OVER-RATED

dont get me wrong...they are good....but OVER-RATED....sorry...no state championship for you guys this year....

[raidercheerdad]

lets do a chant for SLC:

Southlake Carroll is.....
OVER-RATED
bum...bumbum...bum....bumbum
OVER-RATED
bum...bumbum...bum....bumbum
Southlake Carrollis
OVER-RATED
bum...bumbum...bum....bumbum
OVER-RATED

dont get me wrong...they are good....but OVER-RATED....sorry...no state championship for you guys this year....

All this from a team that not only lost to them once, but twice last year! I guess you'll tell us that 3rd times a charm?

[fabdragnfan]

dragnbkr,

While I agree that Newton will definately be a new chapter in Dragon Tradition, I have to stick my ground and say he will ultimately be a better back than Luna. You're right, Luna was complete in every way and did amazing things for us, but he wasn't complete when he started as a soph. He grew into his role on the field. The think Newton will do the same. I'm just making predictions...

And to the guy making up new chants for us - go join your cheerleading squad. I think you're onto something there.

[dragons08]

lets do a chant for SLC:

Southlake Carroll is.....
OVER-RATED
bum...bumbum...bum....bumbum
OVER-RATED
bum...bumbum...bum....bumbum
Southlake Carrollis
OVER-RATED
bum...bumbum...bum....bumbum
OVER-RATED

dont get me wrong...they are good....but OVER-RATED....sorry...no state championship for you guys this year....
somebody sounds a little jealous

[dentonRYAN]

we will see who is jealous after 10/17/05

[drgnbkr]

Joey Flo is awesome, but Todd is a little better.....Ain't gonna happen this year DR Guy....even at your house...

[dentonRYAN]

if its not gonna happen this year....it wont happen for a while.....

[drgnbkr]

How could it happen this year? You guys lost too many veteran players....

[ALLSTAR]

for everyone that thinks that mcelroy is just too inexperienced and cant do get it done for SLC this year, your wrong. everyone has to start their first game of the year, and there are 16 games in a season. mcelroy, if at all, will be rusty at the beginning of the first game, then he will get in a rhythm and whip ace.

[KT2000]

The only real obstacle I see for the Carroll offense this year is if they can go to the running game as effectively as they did when Wasson and Daniel were back there along with Luna. Obviously, McElroy is much more of a traditional drop-back passer than either of those two, but you obviously still need that balance to be "unstoppable." Having a QB that can run adds an entire dimension to an offense that forces the defense (mainly linebackers and DEs) to play a lot tighter and not feel like they can sit back and cover..because if they get caught...QB is into a lot of running space. That, in turn, will help open up the mid level passing game because the backers have to respect the QBs ability to take off. Dodge has mentioned before that his offense actually all branches from a basic run play (zone read...QB option to hand off or keep...eventually adding in a pass option as well). Tré Newton, and any other backs that play, will be a very important part of just how good Carroll becomes on offense this year just going off of what Dodge has said about his scheme in the past.

[dragonsdaddy]

it wasn't a coincidence that slc was 47-1 during the luna years. he was the best rb as a frosh too, and if dodge could turn back the clocks, he would have started then. he was a complete package, just inexperienced as a soph, so he has improved more thru maturing and reps than thru becoming something he wasn't.i hope someone steps up, and becomes half the rb luna was, in all 3 phases of that position.