What's wrong with El Paso?

[F18mustang]

I just got banned from the EPgridiron.com forums for discussion what "easterners" think about the supposed "change" going on in El Paso. A supposed change that I haven't seen yet. They seem to think beating SA Central and Amarillo Palo Duro every once in a while is great change and that the DFW teams should be afraid. What? I was in a very good debate with a respectable fellow and I go to submit my new post and then I get a message saying I'm IP banned. Are they that sucked up into their own little realm?

El Paso hasn't done anything since 2005 when EP Franklin beat Mansfield Summit and then got stomped by Trinity the next week. No 5A team in El Paso has gotten past the 2nd round since then and that was the basis of my argument. Where is the change?

Your thought as to what is wrong with El Paso and how it can be fixed?

[Maroondog]

You were probably being unkind in your evaluations of the outstanding talent available in El Paso. :p

[AHSeagles]

I just got banned from the EPgridiron.com forums for discussion what "easterners" think about the supposed "change" going on in El Paso. A supposed change that I haven't seen yet. They seem to think beating SA Central and Amarillo Palo Duro every once in a while is great change and that the DFW teams should be afraid. What? I was in a very good debate with a respectable fellow and I go to submit my new post and then I get a message saying I'm IP banned. Are they that sucked up into their own little realm?

El Paso hasn't done anything since 2005 when EP Franklin beat Mansfield Summit and then got stomped by Trinity the next week. No 5A team in El Paso has gotten past the 2nd round since then and that was the basis of my argument. Where is the change?

Your thought as to what is wrong with El Paso and how it can be fixed?

El Paso needs to somehow make the trip to the rest of Texas shorter than 20 hours away. They're way out there by themselves, so they just play each other, New Mexico schools (where's the puke smiley?), and the occasional West Texas school (most of the time not the power houses like Permian, Lee, or Abilene. Just the schools that aren't usually as good). If they faced teams that are on a higher level on a consistent basis, they'd start getting better IMO.

[CCDawgs]

el paso needs to somehow make the trip to the rest of texas shorter than 20 hours away. They're way out there by themselves, so they just play each other, new mexico schools (where's the puke smiley?), and the occasional west texas school (most of the time not the power houses like permian, lee, or abilene. Just the schools that aren't usually as good). If they faced teams that are on a higher level on a consistent basis, they'd start getting better imo.

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[coriv]

I think low expectations is part of the problem. It's disappointing to hear fans of a solid program like Montwood continue to talk about playing even with Permian in the first half of their 2007 playoff game like it's their greatest accomplishment.

[KattTx]

I just got banned from the EPgridiron.com forums for discussion what "easterners" think about the supposed "change" going on in El Paso. A supposed change that I haven't seen yet. They seem to think beating SA Central and Amarillo Palo Duro every once in a while is great change and that the DFW teams should be afraid. What? I was in a very good debate with a respectable fellow and I go to submit my new post and then I get a message saying I'm IP banned. Are they that sucked up into their own little realm?

El Paso hasn't done anything since 2005 when EP Franklin beat Mansfield Summit and then got stomped by Trinity the next week. No 5A team in El Paso has gotten past the 2nd round since then and that was the basis of my argument. Where is the change?

Your thought as to what is wrong with El Paso and how it can be fixed?

As for their forum - those guys are SUPER quick to ban at the very whiff of non-ElPaso support. Heck, I was talking about this site and got banned for advertisement. :rolleyes:

As for the level of football, very good question. I wonder how strong their youth and mid-level programs are. I have seen raw talent there - but they just look like they didn't know football like they should at this level.

[Exwildcat79]

Their favorite mantra over there is "It is just a matter of time until yada yada yada" It must be nice to know when Hell will freeze over.

[Maroondog]

Well, I got banned on my first post for making a remark that is said on here all the time.

Only took less than 5 minutes too. :laugh

[Rockets8805]

As for their forum - those guys are SUPER quick to ban at the very whiff of non-ElPaso support. Heck, I was talking about this site and got banned for advertisement. :rolleyes:

As for the level of football, very good question. I wonder how strong their youth and mid-level programs are. I have seen raw talent there - but they just look like they didn't know football like they should at this level.


theyre about as normal as they are here...i lived in ep for 5 years, and quite a number of the kids there played, but i did notice it was more the kids whose parents moved in from somewhere else...but the focus tends to be more w soccer and baseball than football...

[CCDawgs]

Well, I got banned on my first post for making a remark that is said on here all the time.

Only took less than 5 minutes too. :laugh

I dont think Mexico likes outsiders :D

[KattTx]

Well, I got banned on my first post for making a remark that is said on here all the time.

Only took less than 5 minutes too. :laugh

I have never been banned from any board but it took me less than a day to get the boot over there. :o

[Mr. Rod]

It's hot in El Paso!!!!

[Rockets8805]

It's hot in El Paso!!!!

El Paso aka Hell's Waiting Room aka Just Add Water

[ktCarl]

It's almost in California.

[Rockets8805]

It's almost in California.


haha def this...:notworthy

[TexasHSFootball]

Basically the operator there on EP GridIron tries to shut the door on anything outside of El Paso. If it isn't El Paso related, you are not welcomed. It's been that way for a few years. Call it basic isolation from the rest of the state. And if you disagree with the method, you get the hammer like some of you ready saw.

[F18mustang]

Basically the operator there on EP GridIron tries to shut the door on anything outside of El Paso. If it isn't El Paso related, you are not welcomed. It's been that way for a few years. Call it basic isolation from the rest of the state. And if you disagree with the method, you get the hammer like some of you ready saw.

And they wonder why they get zero respect...

[svhorns]

And they wonder why they get zero respect...

Valley>El Paso.

We should start up a Tex-Mex classic. El Paso's top teams vs The Valleys top teams. Leave the knives at home.

[Allstarkaw]

There's Football Teams In El Paso? lol :D

[F18mustang]

I just got on a proxy to look at the forums again. And my God they are delusional. They seem to think that HS football runs in cycles and because of that they are rising to the top and will soon beat DFW teams. Since when was EP a state power and that is somehow going to come back?

Don't get me wrong here, I would love for an EP team to do something great like that but to think this way when it hasn't even happened before is naive. With the way the district is set up right now with EP pretty much going against the top two teams in essentially two districts (2-5A) it isn't looking good.

They are now bashing my team because I apparently bashed theirs (but I never picked out a single school). Can we just give the to New Mexico. They even have a New Mexican rival in Las Cruces Mayfield.

Aggyier that aggy really....

[KattTx]

I just got on a proxy to look at the forums again. And my God they are delusional. They seem to think that HS football runs in cycles and because of that they are rising to the top and will soon beat DFW teams. Since when was EP a state power and that is somehow going to come back?

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Ooo... the proxy thing pishes them off. ;) I did that just to find out WHY I was banned and he got all huffy. But he finally replied to my emails as to the reason and I was satisfied.

[F18mustang]

Ooo... the proxy thing pishes them off. ;) I did that just to find out WHY I was banned and he got all huffy. But he finally replied to my emails as to the reason and I was satisfied.

HA! What exactly did he say? Veeerrrryyy curious.

[KattTx]

He scolded me for using the proxy and I told him I could do it all day long if he didn't want to at least tell me why I was banned. He finally broke down and told me that I was advertising for another website by encouraging El Paso people to join in over here with the rest of the state. He did un-ban me after that as well. ;)

It's creepy weird...

[F18mustang]

He scolded me for using the proxy and I told him I could do it all day long if he didn't want to at least tell me why I was banned. He finally broke down and told me that I was advertising for another website by encouraging El Paso people to join in over here with the rest of the state. He did un-ban me after that as well. ;)

It's creepy weird...

Because that worked so well.....:rolleyes:

He must like to study communist China too....

I didn't ever mention any site in any of my posts. He must not like being told the truth.

[KattTx]

Because that worked so well.....:rolleyes:

He must like to study communist China too....

I didn't ever mention any site in any of my posts. He must not like being told the truth.

LOL!! Welp, it's his site and to each their own. Just seemed different from every other single board I have ever posted on.

[judson1]

I graduated from Andress High School (1981) in El Paso . Andress was a 5a school then, but is now 4a.
We had some fine football players, but just lacked any depth. We had a varsity, a JV and a freshman team. All together there may have been 120 players.

My son is a junior at Judson and we have a varsity, two J-V and three freshman teams, closer to 200 players. That does make a difference.

Mindset, depth and lack of tradition are the biggest factors that I see.
My Eagles fair well out there, but really struggle when they get out of town.
I would like to see it change, but the expense of traveling to play better opponents limits the teams to playing close at home.

The good El Paso teams remind me of San Antonio Lee. Lee is really a decent team and normally do well until they start district play. Just overmatched in their own district.

Unfortunately for El Paso teams, although some have improved, the rest of the state just doesn't wait for them to catch up.

[Rockets8805]

I graduated from Andress High School (1981) in El Paso . Andress was a 5a school then, but is now 4a.
We had some fine football players, but just lacked any depth. We had a varsity, a JV and a freshman team. All together there may have been 120 players.

My son is a junior at Judson and we have a varsity, two J-V and three freshman teams, closer to 200 players. That does make a difference.

Mindset, depth and lack of tradition are the biggest factors that I see.
My Eagles fair well out there, but really struggle when they get out of town.
I would like to see it change, but the expense of traveling to play better opponents limits the teams to playing close at home.

The good El Paso teams remind me of San Antonio Lee. Lee is really a decent team and normally do well until they start district play. Just overmatched in their own district.

Unfortunately for El Paso teams, although some have improved, the rest of the state just doesn't wait for them to catch up.

all this...i spent my freshman and sophmore years @ hanks hs, and the last two @ judson...to say it was night and day, i cant stress enough. @ hanks, there were a few decent players, so one didnt really have to try to hard to stand out...but @ judson??? u had to have ur stuff together everyday if u even hoped to play...

[Maroondog]

He scolded me for using the proxy and I told him I could do it all day long if he didn't want to at least tell me why I was banned. He finally broke down and told me that I was advertising for another website by encouraging El Paso people to join in over here with the rest of the state. He did un-ban me after that as well. ;)

It's creepy weird...

I'll just stay banned and be happy about it. That site has too much baggage for me to carry around.

[Blue Duck]

He scolded me for using the proxy and I told him I could do it all day long if he didn't want to at least tell me why I was banned. He finally broke down and told me that I was advertising for another website by encouraging El Paso people to join in over here with the rest of the state. He did un-ban me after that as well. ;)

It's creepy weird...

Katt...why would you want to invite the Juarez ISD to post on a Texas website?
It's bad enough having to listen to the racket in the one playoff game they get annually.:cool:

[KattTx]

Katt...why would you want to invite the Juarez ISD to post on a Texas website?
It's bad enough having to listen to the racket in the one playoff game they get annually.:cool:

DO MY EYES DECEIVE ME???? My long lost favorite sparring partner!! :eek::D

You are absolutely right (enjoy it because I won't admit it again) they really aren't equipped to deal with Texas football at the 5A level yet. ;)

[F18mustang]

Katt...why would you want to invite the Juarez ISD to post on a Texas website?
It's bad enough having to listen to the racket in the one playoff game they get annually.:cool:

Oh wow, Blue Duck is here.

[Blue Duck]

DO MY EYES DECEIVE ME???? My long lost favorite sparring partner!! :eek::D

;)

Why not? Your eyes have been deceiving you at Ratliff for years. Where's your wingnut point man? I don't see any foam rolling off this forum; guessing Allman broke his spirit.:cool:

[KattTx]

Why not? Your eyes have been deceiving you at Ratliff for years. Where's your wingnut point man? I don't see any foam rolling off this forum; guessing Allman broke his spirit.:cool:

Ahahaha!! Well you are gonna have to narrow down that "nut point man" designation. There's quite of few of them over here. ;)

[mojotrain]

I had a son-in-law that was a D coach for EP Irvin (rockets) a few years back. He said a lot of kids would move in and then move out. He also said if one of the kids got mad at a coach they could easily move to another school or they would just quit. I guess that means no one was around to make them follow through on a commitment to a program. Hes out of it now.

They have some excellent looking material at most of the schools. It's not the kids it's the foundation under them.

[Blue Duck]

Ahahaha!! Well you are gonna have to narrow down that "nut point man" designation. There's quite of few of them over here. ;)

You know...the Permian "Joseph Goebbels," Dopey Opey the organ grinder with the dancing monkeys.

[KattTx]

I had a son-in-law that was a D coach for EP Irvin (rockets) a few years back. He said a lot of kids would move in and then move out. He also said if one of the kids got mad at a coach they could easily move to another school or they would just quit. I guess that means no one was around to make them follow through on a commitment to a program. Hes out of it now.

They have some excellent looking material at most of the schools. It's not the kids it's the foundation under them.

They do have some talent. Maybe the military aspect of many of their schools is a contributing factor.

[KattTx]

You know...the Permian "Joseph Goebbels," Dopey Opey the organ grinder with the dancing monkeys.

Ahh.. yep, he's here. But he's never been as active here as on the other boards. He' running the super duper secret Permian message board as well. So he's pretty hooked up. I'll tell him you sent him XOXOXOX's.

[mojotrain]

I have never been banned from any board but it took me less than a day to get the boot over there. :o

Tell them you could pull the kid from UTEP. Bet they would welcome you back in.

[picperp]

Valley>El Paso.

We should start up a Tex-Mex classic. El Paso's top teams vs The Valleys top teams. Leave the knives at home.

we're supposed to laugh? Take it easy, lemme look, SVHorn. And y'all wonder why SV gets a certain rep. ...

[kbarj]

I had a son-in-law that was a D coach for EP Irvin (rockets) a few years back. He said a lot of kids would move in and then move out. He also said if one of the kids got mad at a coach they could easily move to another school or they would just quit. I guess that means no one was around to make them follow through on a commitment to a program. Hes out of it now.

They have some excellent looking material at most of the schools. It's not the kids it's the foundation under them.

I'm sure I was there before your son-in-law, but I saw the same. I graduated from Irvin in 1973. We had the athletes to have good track, baseball and basketball teams, an excellent tennis team, and an outstanding wrestling team (multiple state titles). For whatever reason, the football team was not good (I don't think we had a winning season in my years there). We had a number of very good athletes who didn't play football because they didn't like the coach. Our JV consistently won, and then guys would get to varsity and quit. I don't know exactly where to lay the blame - but it might fall at the feet of the head coach. There were a lot of military brats at the school, but those were the same kids that performed in other sports. Our wrestling program worked harder than any other sport that I saw, and we always had a bunch of kids coming out for the team - and sticking with it. In the case of wrestling, the key was the coach. As soon as he left, the program started a slow decline.

[KattTx]

Tell them you could pull the kid from UTEP. Bet they would welcome you back in.

Haha... that won't work until the end of the season. ;)

[mojotrain]

DO MY EYES DECEIVE ME???? My long lost favorite sparring partner!! :eek::D

You are absolutely right (enjoy it because I won't admit it again) they really aren't equipped to deal with Texas football at the 5A level yet. ;)

Katt you got it right. Locked is easy. Be carefull. I've totally changed.:o

[mojotrain]

This string is the most noise about EP I've ever seen. Ya think they mind us talking about them?

[F18mustang]

This string is the most noise about EP I've ever seen. Ya think they mind us talking about them?

They probably don't even know this site exists.

[Maroondog]

This string is the most noise about EP I've ever seen. Ya think they mind us talking about them?

El Paso and football is an oxymoron. ;)

[mojotrain]

I'm sure I was there before your son-in-law, but I saw the same. I graduated from Irvin in 1973. We had the athletes to have good track, baseball and basketball teams, an excellent tennis team, and an outstanding wrestling team (multiple state titles). For whatever reason, the football team was not good (I don't think we had a winning season in my years there). We had a number of very good athletes who didn't play football because they didn't like the coach. Our JV consistently won, and then guys would get to varsity and quit. I don't know exactly where to lay the blame - but it might fall at the feet of the head coach. There were a lot of military brats at the school, but those were the same kids that performed in other sports. Our wrestling program worked harder than any other sport that I saw, and we always had a bunch of kids coming out for the team - and sticking with it. In the case of wrestling, the key was the coach. As soon as he left, the program started a slow decline.
El Paso teams have great success against Odessa teams in all sports except football. The kids are in El Paso.
Most of the sports you mention are mostly individual sports. Points count for a team but there is no one to depend on to take up slack if you slip or fail. Football takes a lot of teamwork. One or two solid D-1s means nothing.

A coach is something to point at, if at first you have looked at the progam, or the system that the school district allows each school to have. Not considering the kids, was each coach given the tools they needed to win? In short. If the school board in El Paso is happy, then nothing will ever change and we will never hear from them. Get the school board right then the coach, he develops a system and then the kids can't do a thing except follow.

[F18mustang]

A coach is something to point at, if at first you have looked at the progam, or the system that the school district allows each school to have. Not considering the kids, was each coach given the tools they needed to win? In short. If the school board in El Paso is happy, then nothing will ever change and we will never hear from them. Get the school board right then the coach, he develops a system and then the kids can't do a thing except follow.

Which has been the case with Montwood's Chuck Veliz. His program has been the most consistent in El Paso in recent memory. He has set up the type of system where you can just plug players and I think the players really buy into that.

[rebel27]

Been out the picture for awhile. There has been two years since I had a kid in high school. Got one, so I'm back. :p And when I get back, i see that the "EP" is a hot topic. I told anyone that would listen about that place two years ago, I'm glad someone else can see that they are a bit different there. A couple of posts I thought hit the nail on the head. One was talking about the military influx playing a major role in the athletics there. If you take out all military kids and families serving the military, there woud be NO sports to talk about at all there. And the person banned from that site? I totally get it. I was thrown out of a 8th grade basketball game at halftime that my son was dominating and his team winning 37-3. Now I will allow all others to say why they believe that I was thrown out of a game with us leading by so much. They are haters in EP, especially if you are not from there. They get no respect because they don't deserve any. Attitudes there needs serious adjustments. As for Las Cruces Mayfield? Very close to SV in discipline, game readiness and winning. That is a very good program. Oops! that's in NM, my bad.:D

[Slotback]

El Paso hasn't done anything since 2005 when EP Franklin beat Mansfield Summit and then got stomped by Trinity the next week. No 5A team in El Paso has gotten past the 2nd round since then

I was at the Sun Bowl watching a UTEP game (my brother was in EP at that time) when they announced that Franklin had beaten Summit. The stadium went wild over that. It was something else.

[Maroondog]

I was at the Sun Bowl watching a UTEP game (my brother was in EP at that time) when they announced that Franklin had beaten Summit. The stadium went wild over that. It was something else.

Just think what it would be like if they were in regional and made a first down.

[F18mustang]

I was at the Sun Bowl watching a UTEP game (my brother was in EP at that time) when they announced that Franklin had beaten Summit. The stadium went wild over that. It was something else.

I was at the game. Alex Torres (now a WR for Tech) outplayed John Chiles in every way.

After the game there we're people in Franklin crowd crying. I was amazed frankly.

[mojotrain]

El Paso and football is an oxymoron. ;)

I bet old oxy gets p o ed when he reads this.

[odessapermian.com]

El Paso occasionally produces a good team. They've managed a few wins over the Midland schools the past few years. If Montwood could get a couple more Ed Britton types in the same year, who knows?

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

Valley>El Paso.

We should start up a Tex-Mex classic. El Paso's top teams vs The Valleys top teams. Leave the knives and razors at home.
Fify!;)

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

I played my high school ball under 2 coaches from El Paso; one named Gerry Magin and the other was Johnny Carson. I never got the chance to ask either one how coaching in El Paso was though. Magin came from Andress to Trimble Tech in '98. Magin is/was also a helluva wrestling coach! Carson had been coaching at Carter-Riverside for a couple of years, when I transferred there in '99. He coached at Coronado, I believe.

Both are pretty nice guys!

[Maroondog]

I played my high school ball under 2 coaches from El Paso; one named Gerry Magin and the other was Johnny Carson. I never got the chance to ask either one how coaching in El Paso was though. Magin came from Andress to Trimble Tech in '98. Magin is/was also a helluva wrestling coach! Carson had been coaching at Carter-Riverside for a couple of years, when I transferred there in '99. He coached at Coronado, I believe.

Both are pretty nice guys!

Was this before or after he went into television? :D

[dragonsdaddy]

There's Futbol Teams In El Paso?
fify

[odessapermian.com]

There's nothing wrong with El Paso that an earthquake wouldn't fix.

[slorch]

too close to California.

What other questions ya got?:confused::D

[KattTx]

There's nothing wrong with El Paso that an earthquake wouldn't fix.

Hey, hey.... not for another four years!! :eek::D

[Otis Campbell]

You get alot of the same thing in the RGV. Im from Port Isabel, who's major claim to fame is two trips to the semifinals(94 and 03). To many Valley folks, that means that RGV football is on par with every other part of the state. While I love my home dearly, there's a reason my career has taken me 700 miles away from it.

[biggolfdad]

Valley>El Paso.

We should start up a Tex-Mex classic. El Paso's top teams vs The Valleys top teams. Leave the knives at home.




Good idea --- meet in San Antonio

[WOS87]

If you look at a map of all largest classification State Champs dating back to 1920 you would see that there is a very clear 150 mile zone running parallel to the Rio Grande river (very similar to the DMZ in Korea), south of which you will find ZERO state champs. The line runs from Odessa, through San Antonio to Corpus Christi.

Only a handful of lower classification teams south of the line have won an 11-man State championship (Uvalde, Donna, and Sonora being the only ones that immediately come to mind)

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

Was this before or after he went into television? :D

After!:D

[DragonBand06]

They still play football in El Paso? ;)

[rdroark]

Well, Socorro HS won the state baseball 5A title this year. Socorro is just to the south of EP along the mighty Rio. So there is some life in the other sports. Ray Mickens did play for either Andress or Irvin (can't remember which one) and did just fine at A&M and the NFL. But that for the most part is the highlights.

I lived there for 18 years; the big deal back then (1979-97) for the most part was the 1-5A and 2-5A teams would beat each other up in bi-district and that would be the highlight of their season because someone like Permian or some panhandle team would lay it on them the next week.
Now many of those schools are 4A. I will say the most spectacular view from a stadium is old El Paso High which is built on the mountainside overlooking all the lights. There's probably not another stadium in Texas that can match that one.

Biggest thing I see living in the Katy ISD area is overall community support which in turn motivates the kids a lot more. Plus a humongous youth football program that stokes the flames as well. I have a son playing for Cinco Ranch and am sure glad we are no longer in EP.

Have seen more winning successful football here than back in the day (HS's plus UTEP and NM State).

[has09]

Jones Stadium in El Paso is one of the coolest stadiums in the state. You are correct about not being able to match that view.