Freedom of speech...

[Dawg Fan]

I guess it only applies to folks who opposed President Bush:rolleyes: Looks like the Dems are starting to cancel some of the town hall meetings because of what I can only assume is the VAST right wing conspiracy to denounce the new health care bill. I am not going to provide links, just watch the news. The only thing I can truly enjoy with this is the way the dems are handling getting a taste of their own medicine. If there hasn't been a mandate for a third party, I think it is about time. I am sick of the whole group in Washington. Thank God they got their summer vacation since they work them selves so hard when in session.:rolleyes: They need to keep their as* in Washington until they actually accomplish something.:Censor:

[Favpack]

Well, Pelosi vividly recalls seeing swastikas you know -but when?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/watercooler/2009/aug/06/pelosis-visions-swastikas/

[slcdragonfan]

I guess it only applies to folks who opposed President Bush:rolleyes: Looks like the Dems are starting to cancel some of the town hall meetings because of what I can only assume is the VAST right wing conspiracy to denounce the new health care bill. I am not going to provide links, just watch the news. The only thing I can truly enjoy with this is the way the dems are handling getting a taste of their own medicine. If there hasn't been a mandate for a third party, I think it is about time. I am sick of the whole group in Washington. Thank God they got their summer vacation since they work them selves so hard when in session.:rolleyes: They need to keep their as* in Washington until they actually accomplish something.:Censor:

I have voted independent (for President) 3 times; I for one believe there is a huge need for a 3rd party.

[mojotrain]

Well, Pelosi vividly recalls seeing swastikas you know -but when?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/watercooler/2009/aug/06/pelosis-visions-swastikas/

They finally found one someplace but it had a circle around it with a slash through it. Thats close enough for Madam P. This was on fair and balanced FOX. They then showed a bunch of obamas with all alike posters holding signs of George Bush drawn up like Hitler.

[Firebird]

I guess it only applies to folks who opposed President Bush:rolleyes: Looks like the Dems are starting to cancel some of the town hall meetings because of what I can only assume is the VAST right wing conspiracy to denounce the new health care bill. I am not going to provide links, just watch the news. The only thing I can truly enjoy with this is the way the dems are handling getting a taste of their own medicine. If there hasn't been a mandate for a third party, I think it is about time. I am sick of the whole group in Washington. Thank God they got their summer vacation since they work them selves so hard when in session.:rolleyes: They need to keep their as* in Washington until they actually accomplish something.:Censor:

So wait, canceling a meeting that you are not required to hold constitutes a supression of freedom of speech? If my congressman doesn't want to rent a hall for an evening so I can go vent, that means free speech doesn't apply anymore?

[Dawg Fan]

So wait, canceling a meeting that you are not required to hold constitutes a supression of freedom of speech? If my congressman doesn't want to rent a hall for an evening so I can go vent, that means free speech doesn't apply anymore?


no, it just means they are chickensh*t

I was worried there for a second that you wouldn't show up, but I knew you couldn't resist.

[Firebird]

no, it just means they are chickensh*t

I was worried there for a second that you wouldn't show up, but I knew you couldn't resist.

Then why the thread title? It reads freedom of speech, not "chickensh*t dems" And is this one of the threads that we are not supposed to reply to or discuss because doing so constitutes taking the board too seriously? Or maybe it's just some of us that aren't supposed to post?

[RedRage00]

Then why the thread title? It reads freedom of speech, not "chickensh*t dems" And is this one of the threads that we are not supposed to reply to or discuss because doing so constitutes taking the board too seriously? Or maybe it's just some of us that aren't supposed to post?

http://ihasahotdog.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/funny-dog-pictures-why-so-serious.jpg




;)

[dragonsdaddy]

I guess it only applies to folks who opposed President Bush:rolleyes: Looks like the Dems are starting to cancel some of the town hall meetings because of what I can only assume is the VAST right wing conspiracy to denounce the new health care bill. I am not going to provide links, just watch the news. The only thing I can truly enjoy with this is the way the dems are handling getting a taste of their own medicine. If there hasn't been a mandate for a third party, I think it is about time. I am sick of the whole group in Washington. Thank God they got their summer vacation since they work them selves so hard when in session.:rolleyes: They need to keep their as* in Washington until they actually accomplish something.:Censor:
are you sure? there used to be a joke about how crime went up when the state reps met in austin. the joke was about how the 6 mo of state congress was way to much because they kept doing things. with this congress the best we can hope for is treading water.

[Dawg Fan]

Then why the thread title? It reads freedom of speech, not "chickensh*t dems" And is this one of the threads that we are not supposed to reply to or discuss because doing so constitutes taking the board too seriously? Or maybe it's just some of us that aren't supposed to post?


take a breath, you take things too literally. My point was only that the dems weren't interested in hearing the town hall folks and their freedom to say what they wanted about the health care bill. No where did I say that anyone's freedom of speech was taken away from them. You can take the thread title anyway you want but don't put words in my mouth. Do you take these things personally?

[stevefoxsc]

I have voted independent (for President) 3 times; I for one believe there is a huge need for a 3rd party.

you have no idea...

I hate when you vote how it has a vote all repulican/democrat

[Dawg Fan]

you have no idea...

I hate when you vote how it has a vote all repulican/democrat

I honestly believe that the people of this country as a whole are completely dissatisfied with the way the two party system has handled this country the last 20 years or more. How cool would it be to see that no party had a true majority and had to actually work with the others on getting it right? JMO

[slorch]

Then why the thread title? It reads freedom of speech, not "chickensh*t dems" And is this one of the threads that we are not supposed to reply to or discuss because doing so constitutes taking the board too seriously? Or maybe it's just some of us that aren't supposed to post?

"town hall" meeting implies open debate, IMO.

if they want a pep rally with like minded individuals, then call it a freaking pep rally.

[smw358]

"town hall" meeting implies open debate, IMO.

if they want a pep rally with like minded individuals, then call it a freaking pep rally.

:notworthy

[drgnbkr]

"town hall" meeting implies open debate, IMO.

if they want a pep rally with like minded individuals, then call it a freaking pep rally.

I really believe they are shocked that people are disagreeing so strongly with obama, so soon...they (dems) just assumed that everyone thinks like they do. How they are reacting is the true revelation.

[Maroondog]

I really believe they are shocked that people are disagreeing so strongly with obama, so soon...they (dems) just assumed that everyone thinks like they do. How they are reacting is the true revelation.

Yeah. Looks like lots of folks are seeing it differently than the administration. Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain...........

[JOH]

I have voted independent (for President) 3 times; I for one believe there is a huge need for a 3rd party.

A 3rd party? Are you kidding me? We cannot even get the ones we have now right....

http://stopmebeforeiblogagain.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/do-not-want.jpg

[Dawg Fan]

A 3rd party? Are you kidding me? We cannot even get the ones we have now right....

http://stopmebeforeiblogagain.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/do-not-want.jpg


well the two parties we have now seem to want to go to the extreme wings of their ideologies and we don't seem to have anyone interested in those in the middle. Just sayin

[slorch]

I woudl like to see NO political parties. Let candidates run on their own merit.:eek:

[JOH]

well the two parties we have now seem to want to go to the extreme wings of their ideologies and we don't seem to have anyone interested in those in the middle. Just sayin

Well, maybe instead of making a new party we should reform.

A wise man once said, To keep from going bankrupt you have to spend money...likewise, to keep from going corrupt you have to make more parties...

Why can't we just have a Right and Wrong party? That would be so much easier...the last thing we need is more politicians with loyalties to their party who look out for themselves more than the people.

[ktCarl]

I have voted independent (for President) 3 times; I for one believe there is a huge need for a 3rd party.

Well, there's the

Libertarian Party
Socialist Party
Communist Party
Constitutional Party
Green Party
Drgnbkr Party

[yallerjacket2]

Seems to me there are too many folks showing up and disrupting the meetings, taking away everyone's freedom of speech. I think if you showed up at one of these meetings and acted like an adult, you would be allowed to speak your mind, regardless of what side you are on.

[slorch]

Seems to me there are too many folks showing up and disrupting the meetings, taking away everyone's freedom of speech. I think if you showed up at one of these meetings and acted like an adult, you would be allowed to speak your mind, regardless of what side you are on.

translation: Stick to the script, and you get to speak...:rolleyes:

In Walnut Grove, even Mrs Olson had to give Charles his chance to speak his piece...

[E-Vol-ution]

Honestly....have you seen a single person attempt to have a logical discussion or a bunch of people yelling, waving signs and being disruptive?
Makes you want to take pictures of the people at these "rallys" and see if they are the same folks. Bear in mind, plants have been used in the past with presidential press conferences in the past admin. A guy constantly called upon by Bush wasn't even with the press.
"town hall" meeting implies open debate, IMO.

if they want a pep rally with like minded individuals, then call it a freaking pep rally.

[Firebird]

"town hall" meeting implies open debate, IMO.

if they want a pep rally with like minded individuals, then call it a freaking pep rally.

I agree, but still don't think that canceling a town hall violates anyone's freedom of speech. The practice of stacking venues with supporters was not invented by the current crop of dems, btw.

[yallerjacket2]

translation: Stick to the script, and you get to speak...:rolleyes:

In Walnut Grove, even Mrs Olson had to give Charles his chance to speak his piece...

Which is exactly the way it would be if they were "Republican pep rallies". Do you honestly think the republicans would put up with a bunch of liberal protesters showing up at their events yelling and crying?

[slorch]

I agree, but still don't think that canceling a town hall violates anyone's freedom of speech. The practice of stacking venues with supporters was not invented by the current crop of dems, btw.

I'm just sick of the shell game. Call it what it is.

sadder still, are the folks duped by this garbage.

[slorch]

Which is exactly the way it would be if they were "Republican pep rallies". Do you honestly think the republicans would put up with a bunch of liberal protesters showing up at their events yelling and crying?

My point is not partisan. The discussion in some of these "townhalls" is.

[yallerjacket2]

My point is not partisan.

Sure it is. If the tables were turned, you would be talking about the crazy liberal protesters trying to take away freedom of speech by disrupting the peaceful town meetings. ;)

[slorch]

Sure it is. If the tables were turned, you would be talking about the crazy liberal protesters trying to take away freedom of speech by disrupting the peaceful town meetings. ;)

here lately, some of the cats the GOP sets out there aren't far from the lib persuasion, so i don't see your point.

i have long been an advocate of real debate/ disclosure in our political process. The structure and scripts used by most folks today drives me nuts. it comes across as canned and insincere.

i just want to ask them if they really believe the stuff they're spewing. i know I don't need a script to detail my beliefs and value system...but then again, I'm not chasing votes either.

[SWMHebron]

I really believe they are shocked that people are disagreeing so strongly with obama, so soon...they (dems) just assumed that everyone thinks like they do. How they are reacting is the true revelation.


:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy That pretty much hits the nail on the head. They are so convinced of their own superiority, and think the "little people" are idiots, that they cannot conceive of anyone disliking their plans.

[dragonsdaddy]

Sure it is. If the tables were turned, you would be talking about the crazy liberal protesters trying to take away freedom of speech by disrupting the peaceful town meetings. ;)

you may have slept thru this little tea party.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/07/protesters-inte.html

[bowiedawgs01]

well the two parties we have now seem to want to go to the extreme wings of their ideologies and we don't seem to have anyone interested in those in the middle. Just sayin

Extreme wings? Both of the current parties are so far to the left, the differences between the two are negligible.


|--------Dems-------Repubs------------------------------------------|
SocialismConservatism

[yallerjacket2]

you may have slept thru this little tea party.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/07/protesters-inte.html

I guess I did sleep through it. Kind of makes my point for me though. I'm sure conservatives on this board would call those disrupting Bush's speech "hooligans", but call those who are disrupting the town hall meetings "true patriots".

[slorch]

I guess I did sleep through it. Kind of makes my point for me though. I'm sure conservatives on this board would call those disrupting Bush's speech "hooligans", but call those who are disrupting the town hall meetings "true patriots".

Did you skip the part where I advocated "open debate?"

Or are you just reading what you want to see?

Where have I supported anyone being disruptive( this thread/ topic only please...:o:D)

[dragonsdaddy]

I guess I did sleep through it. Kind of makes my point for me though. I'm sure conservatives on this board would call those disrupting Bush's speech "hooligans", but call those who are disrupting the town hall meetings "true patriots".you can prove your claim pretty easily. search and prove away.

[yallerjacket2]

Did you skip the part where I advocated "open debate?"



I know what you're advocating. I just don't see how you think the Dems are quashing that. Are you saying republicans/conservatives aren't being allowed in these meetings? If that's the case, I think we agree. If you think the dems not allowing anybody to scream and act stupid while they try to conduct a meeting, then we disagree.

[slorch]

I know what you're advocating. I just don't see how you think the Dems are quashing that. Are you saying republicans/conservatives aren't being allowed in these meetings? If that's the case, I think we agree. If you think the dems not allowing anybody to scream and act stupid while they try to conduct a meeting, then we disagree.

I made a case about "town Hall" meetings being more of a pep rally than community forum for discussion. You threw the partisan jabs in there.

i simply would like to see some integrity brought back into the political process. Not blaming one party more than the other. I'm just sick of the crap we have today.

[dragonsdaddy]

I know what you're advocating. I just don't see how you think the Dems are quashing that. Are you saying republicans/conservatives aren't being allowed in these meetings? If that's the case, I think we agree. If you think the dems not allowing anybody to scream and act stupid while they try to conduct a meeting, then we disagree.

not saying she didn't learn from her predecessors, but have you never watched witchy pelosi in action? moderators can and do control the agenda to create the speakers list as they deem fit. maybe the meetings are being run the same way, thus necessitating disruptive behavior. i fully believe that this is very little grass-roots, btw, and lots driven by special interest bigwigs creating crowds, on both sides.

[yallerjacket2]

not saying she didn't learn from her predecessors, but have you never watched witchy pelosi in action? moderators can and do control the agenda to create the speakers list as they deem fit. maybe the meetings are being run the same way, thus necessitating disruptive behavior. i fully believe that this is very little grass-roots, btw, and lots driven by special interest bigwigs creating crowds, on both sides.

And Bingo was his name-o.

[mojotrain]

Which is exactly the way it would be if they were "Republican pep rallies". Do you honestly think the republicans would put up with a bunch of liberal protesters showing up at their events yelling and crying? They did?

[smw358]

I really believe they are shocked that people are disagreeing so strongly with obama, so soon...they (dems) just assumed that everyone thinks like they do. How they are reacting is the true revelation.

I think it's when the Dem's started distributing the "Soylent Green" bumper stickers that got the crowd excited.......:eek:

[mojotrain]

Which is exactly the way it would be if they were "Republican pep rallies". Do you honestly think the republicans would put up with a bunch of liberal protesters showing up at their events yelling and crying? They did!

[Mr. Rod]

I honestly believe that the people of this country as a whole are completely dissatisfied with the way the two party system has handled this country the last 20 years or more. How cool would it be to see that no party had a true majority and had to actually work with the others on getting it right? JMO

That would be great but people are settled in their own ways. It would be nice to see everyone working together. It's not the Republican's debt or Democrat's debt it's the United States' debt.

[GoOwls]

So wait, canceling a meeting that you are not required to hold constitutes a supression of freedom of speech? If my congressman doesn't want to rent a hall for an evening so I can go vent, that means free speech doesn't apply anymore?

Selective free speech only applies.

If said congressman was to hold his own rally and found out the vast majority of his constituants would not be supporting his view on an incendiary subjuect like health care, I'd cancel it too.....

.....but when the 2010 elections come around, I'd be looking into other employment opportunities....;)

[GoOwls]

I woudl like to see NO political parties. Let candidates run on their own merit.:eek:

shhhhhhhh.........the political parties organize the general idiots who would otherwise join Republic of Texas and Greenpeace groups, and crap like that.....shhhhhhhh......;)

[mad_fan]

I woudl like to see NO political parties. Let candidates run on their own merit.:eek:

You got it...
http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l243/jmcdmc/obama-joker.jpg

[slorch]

They just had a reporter on that was at the "town hall" at Towson, Maryland. The Congressman hosting it proclaimed to the reporter, " I was expecting the harsh treatment and boy did I get it!"

They said almost every question was negative towards the healthcare reform.

Maybe they are allowing open questions now...:rolleyes:

I'd pay damned good money to hear/ watch the POTUS do a live, open forum Q&A.

[chhspantherfan]

They just had a reporter on that was at the "town hall" at Towson, Maryland. The Congressman hosting it proclaimed to the reporter, " I was expecting the harsh treatment and boy did I get it!"

They said almost every question was negative towards the healthcare reform.

Maybe they are allowing open questions now...:rolleyes:

I'd pay damned good money to hear/ watch the POTUS do a live, open forum Q&A.

get your wallet out.

-----------------------------------------------------
Obama is scheduled to appear on Tuesday in Portsmouth, N.H. at 1 p.m., at an event expected to draw roughly 1,800 participants. His goal this week, advisers said, is to address the concerns of people who already have health care and to illustrate how those people would benefit from adjustments to the current system.

Along the way, Obama will address specific health care topics -- none of them new, but each important, advisers said. On Tuesday, he will talk about people who are denied coverage because of pre-existing conditions. On Friday, he will hold a town hall meeting in Bozeman, Mont., to discuss the plight of people dropped from their health insurance plans because of an illness. And at a third session on Saturday, in Grand Junction, Colo., Obama will raise the subject of high out-of-pocket costs, such as co-payments and deductibles.




http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/10/AR2009081002447.html

[JOH]

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/4/45/Double-outhouse.jpg

[BDB]

LMAO@ the government for not putting up with the astroturfers and their "grassroots movement". :notworthy


if it was a real grassroots movement, maybe i would have some respect for it.....but it's being ran by big business acting as bipartisan citizens.

gotta love the sheep here :laugh

[SWMHebron]

LMAO@ the government for not putting up with the astroturfers and their "grassroots movement". :notworthy


if it was a real grassroots movement, maybe i would have some respect for it.....but it's being ran by big business acting as bipartisan citizens.

gotta love the sheep here :laugh

So -- you think I'm too stupid to figure out on my own that it's a :Censor: plan and protest on my own?

[BDB]

So -- you think I'm too stupid to figure out on my own that it's a :Censor: plan and protest on my own?

if by "i'm" you mean the average astroturfer.... then yes.

[slorch]

get your wallet out.

-----------------------------------------------------
Obama is scheduled to appear on Tuesday in Portsmouth, N.H. at 1 p.m., at an event expected to draw roughly 1,800 participants. His goal this week, advisers said, is to address the concerns of people who already have health care and to illustrate how those people would benefit from adjustments to the current system.

Along the way, Obama will address specific health care topics -- none of them new, but each important, advisers said. On Tuesday, he will talk about people who are denied coverage because of pre-existing conditions. On Friday, he will hold a town hall meeting in Bozeman, Mont., to discuss the plight of people dropped from their health insurance plans because of an illness. And at a third session on Saturday, in Grand Junction, Colo., Obama will raise the subject of high out-of-pocket costs, such as co-payments and deductibles.




http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/10/AR2009081002447.html


Nothing in there says it will be script/ teleprompter free

[slorch]

LMAO@ the government for not putting up with the astroturfers and their "grassroots movement". :notworthy


if it was a real grassroots movement, maybe i would have some respect for it.....but it's being ran by big business acting as bipartisan citizens.

gotta love the sheep here :laugh

not true.

I am not in it for big business, but the personal health care choices for myfamily and me. You're painting with a brush a mile wide there, friend.:rolleyes:

[SWMHebron]

if by "i'm" you mean the average astroturfer.... then yes.

Is there an "ignore" button on this site?

[BDB]

not true.

I am not in it for big business, but the personal health care choices for myfamily and me. You're painting with a brush a mile wide there, friend.:rolleyes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing

ever seen thank you for smoking? same concept.

[JagFan]

LMAO@ the government for not putting up with the astroturfers and their "grassroots movement". :notworthy


if it was a real grassroots movement, maybe i would have some respect for it.....but it's being ran by big business acting as bipartisan citizens.

gotta love the sheep here :laugh

Proof? Or are you just saying what you are told by the media?

[BDB]

Is there an "ignore" button on this site?

i know there's a "log out" button.... also there's this "X" button at the top right of most internet browsers.

[BDB]

Proof? Or are you just saying what you are told by the media?

i would post the article with fact checks and links to different sites, but all that's gonna do is cause those same people that used to ignore phoenix's poll and surveys to ignore this one.

FOR THE LOVE OF EVERYTHING HOLY, KT......BAN PEOPLE FOR THESE THREADS ALREADY!..... "politics" thread is still alive.

[JagFan]

i would post the article with fact checks and links to different sites, but all that's gonna do is cause those same people that used to ignore phoenix's poll and surveys to ignore this one.

FOR THE LOVE OF EVERYTHING HOLY, KT......BAN PEOPLE FOR THESE THREADS ALREADY!..... "politics" thread is still alive.

I am messin with ya. Yes some are organized but a lot aren't. Don't believe everything the media says;)

[BDB]

I am messin with ya. Yes some are organized but a lot aren't. Don't believe everything the media says;)

which is why i don't believe when FoxNews reports on this "grassroots" movement. ;)

[E-Vol-ution]

Hannity posted a "nice" message sent out by one conservative group about how to disrupt , yell and protest at the earliest intervals.....
Do people realize the crisis of our health care system has been totally ignored by previous administrations? It's one thing to criticize, it's another to have no answers and only political boo birds. Think about what you think will work.....and what won't work. But at least be informed.....LMAO@ the government for not putting up with the astroturfers and their "grassroots movement". :notworthy


if it was a real grassroots movement, maybe i would have some respect for it.....but it's being ran by big business acting as bipartisan citizens.

gotta love the sheep here :laugh

[BDB]

Hannity posted a "nice" message sent out by one conservative group about how to disrupt , yell and protest at the earliest intervals.....
Do people realize the crisis of our health care system has been totally ignored by previous administrations? It's one thing to criticize, it's another to have no answers and only political boo birds. Think about what you think will work.....and what won't work. But at least be informed.....

one political party has voters who have 401k's and sending their kids to and family to the doctor is more a burden of driving them then actually have the money for it...... they happen to be the ones who aren't wanting change.


funny how that works.

[JagFan]

which is why i don't believe when FoxNews reports on this "grassroots" movement. ;)

Nor why I believe MSNBS, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC for saying they are all organized and we can not think for ourselves;)

[BDB]

Nor why I believe MSNBS, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC for saying they are all organized and we can not think for ourselves;)

holy crap..... that's a bit tin-foil.....

outside of msnbc

[SWMHebron]

one political party has voters who have 401k's and sending their kids to and family to the doctor is more a burden of driving them then actually have the money for it...... they happen to be the ones who aren't wanting change.


funny how that works.

FYI I don't have health insurance. I can't afford it. And I still don't like the plans put forth by the current administration.

[JagFan]

holy crap..... that's a bit tin-foil.....

outside of msnbc

Na I really do surf around and listen to most of them during the week. You are correct MSNBC is the worst followed by CNN.

[BDB]

FYI I don't have health insurance. I can't afford it. And I still don't like the plans put forth by the current administration.

and what plan is that? state facts. reform mistakes. or GTFO.

[BDB]

Na I really do surf around and listen to most of them during the week. You are correct MSNBC is the worst followed by CNN.

if i watch MSNBC i have to watch FoxNews, and vice-versa. CNN reminds me of the daily show and colbert report on comedy central..... except really boring.

wolf blitzer (sp?) is a hippie version of john stewart.

[slorch]

Hannity posted a "nice" message sent out by one conservative group about how to disrupt , yell and protest at the earliest intervals.....
Do people realize the crisis of our health care system has been totally ignored by previous administrations? It's one thing to criticize, it's another to have no answers and only political boo birds. Think about what you think will work.....and what won't work. But at least be informed.....

maybe previous administrations realized it's not the gov't's job to address healthcare...

just sayin:rolleyes:

[slorch]

one political party has voters who have 401k's and sending their kids to and family to the doctor is more a burden of driving them then actually have the money for it...... they happen to be the ones who aren't wanting change.


funny how that works.

damned right, because I've worked for health insurance and have earned it.

i knew I needed it with a family, so I made the choices/ sacrifices in order to provide for my family. My job really only requires EFFORT and reliability. But why do that if Obama will GIVE it to you for free?

[BDB]

damned right, because I've worked for health insurance and have earned it.

what exactly is wrong with that?

what's wrong with the government having al alternative to private run health-care? you've proved your private run healthcare, why doesn't someone who makes less then you deserve an alternative government run healthcare?

[BDB]

damned right, because I've worked for health insurance and have earned it.

i knew I needed it with a family, so I made the choices/ sacrifices in order to provide for my family. My job really only requires EFFORT and reliability. But why do that if Obama will GIVE it to you for free?

you still believe that obama is going to get rid of private run healthcare, don't you?

[BDB]

maybe previous administrations realized it's not the gov't's job to address healthcare...

just sayin:rolleyes:

the armed forces and elderly get it, right? why not a different form for every american?

[slorch]

what's wrong with the government having al alternative to private run health-care? you've proved your private run healthcare, why doesn't someone who makes less then you deserve an alternative government run healthcare?

Because I am the governement. you are asking me to work my butt off to provide for my family and then again for the ^%&*ers that won't.

I didn't say CAN'T. I said WON't, and you know there's a distinct difference.

[slorch]

the armed forces and elderly get it, right? why not a different form for every american?

honestly, you think you deserve every benefit a veteran has earned?

[BDB]

honestly, you think you deserve every benefit a veteran has earned?

nope. but i never asked for the same plan they get.

[BDB]

Because I am the governement. you are asking me to work my butt off to provide for my family and then again for the ^%&*ers that won't.

I didn't say CAN'T. I said WON't, and you know there's a distinct difference.

i forgot why i don't respond to you. it's the same as arguement as "people get foodstamps live off it" blah blah blah without realizing how many families it actually helps.

same this the alternative.

[slorch]

i forgot why i don't respond to you. it's the same as arguement as "people get foodstamps live off it" blah blah blah without realizing how many families it actually helps.

same this the alternative.

You probably don't like my rationale because it is supported with real life experience rather than theory and PC rhetoric.


It's not that you mess up by responding to my posts. It's that you don't remember anything about my background that substantiates why I live the way I do.

Ever been on foodstamps? gov't housing?

I believe in being socially responsible. I believe in a hand-up not a hand out.

I've been in a household that depended upon gov't assistance to survive for 4 years. To this day, i feel that i pay a portion of my mom's debt to society back every time I look at that withholding on my check stub.

As a citizen, i have every right to demand that able bodied people get off their *** and support themselves so I don't have to. I love to work, just not so much for El prez. Even during the time when we were deadassed broke, my mom was working full time and going to college. I consider the assistance we received as a great investment and an example of how the system should work.

Sorry if I don't get all enthused about supporting all of the deadbeats and ne'er-do-wells.

[slorch]

i forgot why i don't respond to you. it's the same as arguement as "people get foodstamps live off it" blah blah blah without realizing how many families it actually helps.

same this the alternative.

why are families on it for generations?

why are they broke, but they keep having kids?

you know why, but it's not cool to say so.:rolleyes:

[GoOwls]

and what plan is that? state facts. reform mistakes. or GTFO.

NO!!!!!

YOU state the facts.....you define the plan.....you are defending it....pray tell us what you are defending.....I'd like to be swayed by someone who knows what it's about...and you present yourself as such....go for it....I'm waiting......tap, tap, tap.......:rolleyes:

[GoOwls]

what's wrong with the government having al alternative to private run health-care? you've proved your private run healthcare, why doesn't someone who makes less then you deserve an alternative government run healthcare?

If the govt run plan forces my plan out of business due to regulations that favor the govt plan, then developing yet another govt run monopoly is against all the laws of this land.....GMcare, BANKcare, BAILOUTcare, all are budding monoploies that threaten our way of life.

People who make less don't deserve a dang thing....make more money....work harder....work longer hours....make good choices.....invest well.....America, the land of opportunity.....not the land of "here 'ya go".

I'm still waiting on someone to show me where healthcare is a right.

And don't use the "life" part of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness...bogus and you know it.....healthcare was keeping a guy alive long enough to say goodbye to his wife and family when that was written.

[GoOwls]

the armed forces and elderly get it, right? why not a different form for every american?

They get it now....go to Parkland.....immunizations, pre-natal, OBGYN, emergency.....it's there....you gotta sacrifice a bit to get it...but I gotta sacrifice a bit to get mine too....two way street, buddy.

[GoOwls]

nope. but i never asked for the same plan they get.

Parkland, then, is just fine.

[b756561]

the armed forces and elderly get it, right? why not a different form for every american?

You are right elprezidente, the armed forces and elderly do get it. As does everyone else in this country. How did the elderly qualify? They worked their rears off for 40 or 50 years to earn it. How did the armed forces qualify? THEY went out and put their very lives at stake to give people like you the right to say the things you say. Without those ARMED FORCES you wouldn't be able to say the things you do without going to jail for it. They qualify because THEY risked their all for you and all the other citizens of this country. Yeah, they at least deserve this to be given to them by their country. THEY have earned it. The truely needy qualify. They can go to any government supported hospital and get some of the best medical care in the world and they can get it for free. How can all the other Americans qualify? Join the military or go get a job and work your rear off for the next 40-50 years and you also will qualify. Do what others have done before you. The requirement is no different for you than it is for anyone else. Most people have the money to pay for their own healthcare. They choose to spend their money on something else. Do you have to have that nice of a car or did you choose to spend more money on it? Do you really need all those clothes and 33 pairs of shoes, or did you just choose to spend your money that way? Did you really have to take that vacation or did you choose to spend your money that way? Do you have to have that bigscreen TV or did you choose to spend your money that way? Don't just expect people to GIVE you what YOU have not deserved. You want it, first show me you deserve it. Take a little personal responsibility for your life and for your personal decisions and actions. You decide to put a needle in your arm, that was your decision, you take responsibilty for it. You decide to quit school and get a minimum wage job, that was your decision, you take responsibilty for it. You sleep with someone and produce a child, that was your decision, you take responsibility for it. You quit your job and decide to hang out on a street corner all day and drink beer with your other deadbeat friends, that was your decision, you take responsibility for it. Most of us have paid whatever price it took to get what we have today. What makes you think that people like you are so special that you should get for free what we have had to go out and earn? Yes, I know you have some hard luck story to tell to attempt to justify why you should be the exception and should therefore qualify without putting forth the efforts others have had to put forth so they could obtain what they have and you do not. We all have our hard luck stories. We've been poor, we've been destitute, we've gone without food, we've been kicked out of our residence for lack of payment, we've had our father/mother leave us to fend for ourselves. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. :mad:

[BDB]

You probably don't like my rationale because it is supported with real life experience rather than theory and PC rhetoric. **** 'em all if a few cheat the system....i understand, now.


It's not that you mess up by responding to my posts. It's that you don't remember anything about my background that substantiates why I live the way I do. your background shouldn't dictate the way other people's lives.

Ever been on foodstamps? gov't housing? free lunches all though public schooling

I believe in being socially responsible. I believe in a hand-up not a hand out.why are we arguing, then?

I've been in a household that depended upon gov't assistance to survive for 4 years. To this day, i feel that i pay a portion of my mom's debt to society back every time I look at that withholding on my check stub. i honestly don't understand where we differ on this issue

As a citizen, i have every right to demand that able bodied people get off their *** and support themselves so I don't have to. I love to work, just not so much for El prez. Even during the time when we were deadassed broke, my mom was working full time and going to college. I consider the assistance we received as a great investment and an example of how the system should work. omg what the **** are we arguing about, then?

Sorry if I don't get all enthused about supporting all of the deadbeats and ne'er-do-wells.**** 'em all, if a few cheat the system.

they see me trollin'

[BDB]

why are families on it for generations?

why are they broke, but they keep having kids?

you know why, but it's not cool to say so.:rolleyes:

we might as well drag anyone into the streets who uses government backed social programs and flog them, because a select few cheat the system.

[BDB]

NO!!!!!

YOU state the facts.....you define the plan.....you are defending it....pray tell us what you are defending.....I'd like to be swayed by someone who knows what it's about...and you present yourself as such....go for it....I'm waiting......tap, tap, tap.......:rolleyes:

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm no.
they see me trollin'.... they ain't understandin. lmao

[BDB]

You are right elprezidente, the armed forces and elderly do get it. As does everyone else in this country. How did the elderly qualify? They worked their rears off for 40 or 50 years to earn it. How did the armed forces qualify? THEY went out and put their very lives at stake to give people like you the right to say the things you say. Without those ARMED FORCES you wouldn't be able to say the things you do without going to jail for it. They qualify because THEY risked their all for you and all the other citizens of this country. Yeah, they at least deserve this to be given to them by their country. THEY have earned it. The truely needy qualify. They can go to any government supported hospital and get some of the best medical care in the world and they can get it for free. How can all the other Americans qualify? Join the military or go get a job and work your rear off for the next 40-50 years and you also will qualify. Do what others have done before you. The requirement is no different for you than it is for anyone else. Most people have the money to pay for their own healthcare. They choose to spend their money on something else. Do you have to have that nice of a car or did you choose to spend more money on it? Do you really need all those clothes and 33 pairs of shoes, or did you just choose to spend your money that way? Did you really have to take that vacation or did you choose to spend your money that way? Do you have to have that bigscreen TV or did you choose to spend your money that way? Don't just expect people to GIVE you what YOU have not deserved. You want it, first show me you deserve it. Take a little personal responsibility for your life and for your personal decisions and actions. You decide to put a needle in your arm, that was your decision, you take responsibilty for it. You decide to quit school and get a minimum wage job, that was your decision, you take responsibilty for it. You sleep with someone and produce a child, that was your decision, you take responsibility for it. You quit your job and decide to hang out on a street corner all day and drink beer with your other deadbeat friends, that was your decision, you take responsibility for it. Most of us have paid whatever price it took to get what we have today. What makes you think that people like you are so special that you should get for free what we have had to go out and earn? Yes, I know you have some hard luck story to tell to attempt to justify why you should be the exception and should therefore qualify without putting forth the efforts others have had to put forth so they could obtain what they have and you do not. We all have our hard luck stories. We've been poor, we've been destitute, we've gone without food, we've been kicked out of our residence for lack of payment, we've had our father/mother leave us to fend for ourselves. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. :mad:

it's posts like these that make my night.

sooooooo many sandy clams in this thread :laugh

[b756561]

it's posts like these that make my night.

sooooooo many sandy clams in this thread :laugh

Glad that I was able to help your night be a success.
I'm always willing to add a little sound judgement and common sense to these threads. http://smiliesftw.com/x/nannerpunk.gifhttp://smiliesftw.com/x/party0010.gif

[BDB]

Glad that I was able to help your night be a success.
I'm always willing to add a little sound judgement and common sense to these threads. http://smiliesftw.com/x/nannerpunk.gifhttp://smiliesftw.com/x/party0010.gif

nope. y'all make my night cuz i've been doin this for a week or so, and y'all STILL respond to me.

http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2008/11/6/633615604367512954-theyseemetrollin.jpg

ODP's can't tri-force. :laugh

[F18mustang]

All political threads have their own political thread, but you would never know it.


GTFO.

[BDB]

All political threads their have own political thread, but you would never know it.


GTFO.

i believe this is the first post in the "politics" thread.

All political discussion should go here from now on. The board has been spammed with too many separate topics.


if you don't wanna follow the rules, start your own message board ;)

[b756561]

[quote=elprezidente;1260263]nope. y'all make my night cuz i've been doin this for a week or so, and y'all STILL respond to me.



That's because we have nothing better to do than to get on a football website and talk about politics at 2:00am on a Tuesday morning. You and I have no life. In your own words, you've been doing this for a week or so. Sad, very sad. I have no life because I'm old and married. What's your excuse?http://smiliesftw.com/x/poop.gif

[E-Vol-ution]

Actually they did.....they just didn't have a plan. "WE" end up bearing the cost of uninsured people when they go to hospitals through higher premiums and rates because those hospitals cannot turn them away.
The cost of insurance is totally out of wack. This has to be addressed.
Not saying we all should sign off or not question what is presented.
I am saying we all should listen to the spirit of the message and address the health insurance crisis.
This is really no different than the cost of a necessary product being unobtainable because shoplifting.

maybe previous administrations realized it's not the gov't's job to address healthcare...

just sayin:rolleyes:

[BDB]

[quote=elprezidente;1260263]nope. y'all make my night cuz i've been doin this for a week or so, and y'all STILL respond to me.



That's because we have nothing better to do than to get on a football website and talk about politics at 2:00am on a Tuesday morning. You and I have no life. In your own words, you've been doing this for a week or so. Sad, very sad. I have no life because I'm old and married. What's your excuse?http://smiliesftw.com/x/poop.gif

actually, i was finishing my final package as my final for the past week. i'm usually not online unless i'm working on my workspace/laptop.

[dragonsdaddy]

you still believe that obama is going to get rid of private run healthcare, don't you?

it is called the law of intended consequences. there is basically no way anything else can happen.

[BDB]

it is called the law of intended consequences. there is basically no way anything else can happen.

kinda like big nusiness tax-breaks and less restrictions led to outsourcing work to third world countries?

[Dawg Fan]

damned right, because I've worked for health insurance and have earned it.

i knew I needed it with a family, so I made the choices/ sacrifices in order to provide for my family. My job really only requires EFFORT and reliability. But why do that if Obama will GIVE it to you for free?

“You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it."*


*Adrian Rogers, 1931*

[E-Vol-ution]

People who make less (the middle class) are being squeezed out by people who make and contribute nothing. Those people go to these hospitals and get treatment for free...which in turn we pay higher premiums and rates as a consequence. If the govt run plan forces my plan out of business due to regulations that favor the govt plan, then developing yet another govt run monopoly is against all the laws of this land.....GMcare, BANKcare, BAILOUTcare, all are budding monoploies that threaten our way of life.

People who make less don't deserve a dang thing....make more money....work harder....work longer hours....make good choices.....invest well.....America, the land of opportunity.....not the land of "here 'ya go".

I'm still waiting on someone to show me where healthcare is a right.

And don't use the "life" part of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness...bogus and you know it.....healthcare was keeping a guy alive long enough to say goodbye to his wife and family when that was written.

[mojotrain]

I guess it only applies to folks who opposed President Bush:rolleyes: Looks like the Dems are starting to cancel some of the town hall meetings because of what I can only assume is the VAST right wing conspiracy to denounce the new health care bill. I am not going to provide links, just watch the news. The only thing I can truly enjoy with this is the way the dems are handling getting a taste of their own medicine. If there hasn't been a mandate for a third party, I think it is about time. I am sick of the whole group in Washington. Thank God they got their summer vacation since they work them selves so hard when in session.:rolleyes: They need to keep their as* in Washington until they actually accomplish something.:Censor:

What do you think a young Obama would have said about free speech, rallys and protest when he was a community organizer in Chicago. What do you think his friends in Acorn feel about protest or free speech. How do you think Obamas friend bill ayres (sp? ) feels about rally, organizing and protest. I bet his preacher the rev. wright is against all that rebel rousing and public hate mongering.

[E-Vol-ution]

uh....that propoganda stuff didn't work in the election. Didn't you guys hear about it out there in West Texas? Jeesh.......lol
That was weak.:rolleyes:
What do you think a young Obama would have said about free speech, rallys and protest when he was a community organizer in Chicago. What do you think his friends in Acorn feel about protest or free speech. How do you think Obamas friend bill ayres (sp? ) feels about rally, organizing and protest. I bet his preacher the rev. wright is against all that rebel rousing and public hate mongering.

[GoOwls]

People who make less (the middle class) are being squeezed out by people who make and contribute nothing. Those people go to these hospitals and get treatment for free...which in turn we pay higher premiums and rates as a consequence.

Oh, so let's water down the people's heathcare who are getting squeezed and bump up the people who can't afford it to the same level...yeah...sounds fair to me....sounds like a savings to me.....sounds like it'll cost less...sounds like letting the govt run healthcare is gonna be a real financial treat....:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[E-Vol-ution]

No where do I endorse watering down our healthcare that we work and pay for (that's already happening due to the freebies handed out).........but whatever these folks get who aren't paying should be watered down.Oh, so let's water down the people's heathcare who are getting squeezed and bump up the people who can't afford it to the same level...yeah...sounds fair to me....sounds like a savings to me.....sounds like it'll cost less...sounds like letting the govt run healthcare is gonna be a real financial treat....:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[GoOwls]

uh....that propoganda stuff didn't work in the election. Didn't you guys hear about it out there in West Texas? Jeesh.......lol
That was weak.:rolleyes:

Oh, no, the propoganda worked just fine in the election....the liberal propoganda.....now the conservatives are getting mobilized and the libs are scared to death...they don't like a dose of their own medicine...they thought they owned the copyright on civil demonstration...just get used to the idea of eating your own food you've been serving for a while...it tastes pretty good after a while.....;)

[E-Vol-ution]

All this silliness......people need to address the issues.
Oh, no, the propoganda worked just fine in the election....the liberal propoganda.....now the conservatives are getting mobilized and the libs are scared to death...they don't like a dose of their own medicine...they thought they owned the copyright on civil demonstration...just get used to the idea of eating your own food you've been serving for a while...it tastes pretty good after a while.....;)

[mojotrain]

I guess it only applies to folks who opposed President Bush:rolleyes: Looks like the Dems are starting to cancel some of the town hall meetings because of what I can only assume is the VAST right wing conspiracy to denounce the new health care bill. I am not going to provide links, just watch the news. The only thing I can truly enjoy with this is the way the dems are handling getting a taste of their own medicine. If there hasn't been a mandate for a third party, I think it is about time. I am sick of the whole group in Washington. Thank God they got their summer vacation since they work them selves so hard when in session.:rolleyes: They need to keep their as* in Washington until they actually accomplish something.:Censor:

You started this thread on the morning of the 10th. Just look at where we are now. The dems have taught us a good thing. Free speech is a good thing and if you can shout and wave your arms all the better.

[drgnbkr]

All this silliness......people need to address the issues.

The masses are finally addressing the issues, that is the point here. The dems are realizing that they can't just ram things through that make no sense to the public at large..From the ground swell of everyday Americans at the town hall meetings, to shutting down the congress's web site by flooding it with opposing e-mails...the issues are being discussed, much to the chagrin of the dems.

[E-Vol-ution]

Quite to the contrary....addressing an issue is asking a question and getting an answer, offering or demanding a solution and getting feedback.
Shouting, disrupting........only assures chaos. Chaos defies logic. Healthcare reform demands a logical solution.The masses are finally addressing the issues, that is the point here. The dems are realizing that they can't just ram things through that make no sense to the public at large..From the ground swell of everyday Americans at the town hall meetings, to shutting down the congress's web site by flooding it with opposing e-mails...the issues are being discussed, much to the chagrin of the dems.

[mojotrain]

Those who are excersizing their right to freedom of speech today are doing so in a more civil fashion that the dems did the 8 years Bush was in office. I think most of those who are involved don't care to listen to what hasn't been penned. Thats a open check book IMO. As we now see, thats just not going to happen.

[mojotrain]

I guess it only applies to folks who opposed President Bush:rolleyes: Looks like the Dems are starting to cancel some of the town hall meetings because of what I can only assume is the VAST right wing conspiracy to denounce the new health care bill. I am not going to provide links, just watch the news. The only thing I can truly enjoy with this is the way the dems are handling getting a taste of their own medicine. If there hasn't been a mandate for a third party, I think it is about time. I am sick of the whole group in Washington. Thank God they got their summer vacation since they work them selves so hard when in session.:rolleyes: They need to keep their as* in Washington until they actually accomplish something.:Censor:

I have just heard that the President has placed another Czar in his forth branch of the goverment. Mark Lloyd has been placed over the FCC. Mr Lloyds commission or intention to tax all radio talk shows except those on NPR. The tax of each program will equal the amount of money that it takes to produce that show.

This may or may not be fact. It might be a out and out lie. I think we should hear more within the next couple of weeks if it is the truth.

[Dawg Fan]

I have just heard that the President has placed another Czar in his forth branch of the goverment. Mark Lloyd has been placed over the FCC. Mr Lloyds commission or intention to tax all radio talk shows except those on NPR. The tax of each program will equal the amount of money that it takes to produce that show.

This may or may not be fact. It might be a out and out lie. I think we should hear more within the next couple of weeks if it is the truth.

I can't wait for the rebuttal on this post. I can almost smell the keyboards burning;)

[slorch]

All this silliness......people need to address the issues.

start with personal responsibility.

your move...;):D

[E-Vol-ution]

Point your finger, three go back to you and blame God with on the fourth... ;)start with personal responsibility.

your move...;):D

[ktCarl]

Point your finger, three go back to you and blame God with on the fourth... ;)


Talk about silliness!!

[ktCarl]

Quite to the contrary....addressing an issue is asking a question and getting an answer, offering or demanding a solution and getting feedback.
Shouting, disrupting........only assures chaos. Chaos defies logic. Healthcare reform demands a logical solution.

That is also happening at those meetings. It's just that the loud, disruptive ones get the press.

[ktCarl]

LMAO@ the government for not putting up with the astroturfers and their "grassroots movement". :notworthy


if it was a real grassroots movement, maybe i would have some respect for it.....but it's being ran by big business acting as bipartisan citizens.

gotta love the sheep here :laugh

O.K. Prove it.

[slorch]

Point your finger, three go back to you and blame God with on the fourth... ;)

nice try, but I was pointing at nobody.

If people don't like being pointed at, then don't put that finger in my wallet either. We can all keep our fingers to ourselves, then...

[15Adragon]

start with personal responsibility.

your move...;):D

Yes, but wouldn't that require effort, sacrifice, goals, commitment, etc...

[Dawg Fan]

O.K. Prove it.

he can't, all he has is the kool aid he gets from the dems;)

[BDB]

he can't, all he has is the kool aid he gets from the dems;)

woops. never saw ktcarl's post.

i would right now, but i have like 15 minutes to read this forum and get ready for a party.

hopefully i'll be sober enough to read this and respond at 4 a.m..... prolly not.

[GoOwls]

Quite to the contrary....addressing an issue is asking a question and getting an answer, offering or demanding a solution and getting feedback.
Shouting, disrupting........only assures chaos. Chaos defies logic. Healthcare reform demands a logical solution.

What's the difference between this and what the Dems/Libs did with Bush and Cheney during the last election....they yelled and screamed and protested and tied McCain to Bush and dragged all their names through the dirt....even the minor child of the female vice-presidential candidate....they stopped at nothing to character assassinate everyone with an (R) after their names and anyone related to them.....:mad:

Son....don't even compare people who are worrying about the health of their families to the character assassinations done by left wing special interest over the last 2 years.....jeeze, dude....are you daft?

[mojotrain]

I can't wait for the rebuttal on this post. I can almost smell the keyboards burning;)

I did suggest it might not be true. :)

[E-Vol-ution]

Didn't you just have kidney work? Your system should be flushed by now......but I guess bile becomes you.
Sooner or later...most people will think about tomorrow. Of course that doesn't include you since you're a wheeze and hack away from it all.;)
What's the difference between this and what the Dems/Libs did with Bush and Cheney during the last election....they yelled and screamed and protested and tied McCain to Bush and dragged all their names through the dirt....even the minor child of the female vice-presidential candidate....they stopped at nothing to character assassinate everyone with an (R) after their names and anyone related to them.....:mad:

Son....don't even compare people who are worrying about the health of their families to the character assassinations done by left wing special interest over the last 2 years.....jeeze, dude....are you daft?

[E-Vol-ution]

Yep.....looking at your avatar, you should include yourself.:notworthyTalk about silliness!!

[E-Vol-ution]

(crickets chirping) Sometimes you just have to shake your head..........lolI can't wait for the rebuttal on this post. I can almost smell the keyboards burning;)

[mojotrain]

I did suggest it might not be true. :)

This whole thing has got to be a lie. I looked at Lloyds bio and not even our peelosi would work for him.