Coolest era for airplanes

[Firebird]

My boy F-18 will be all over this one. What era would you say can boast of the all around coolest airplanes and coolest vibe. Militarily speaking. My vote goes to World War I. Ain't nothing cooler than being a WWI ace:

http://www.1stfighter.com/history/94thHistory_files/Rickenbacker.jpg

[GTown02]

It doesn't get much better than a Messerschmitt Bf 109 or a P-51 Mustang! :notworthy

[F18mustang]

Since I'm a young gun I loved all the planes on Top Gun. Now, the F-14 is really known as the grandfather of fighter jets but is still iconic to me. Every time I think of dogfight I think of Maverick and Goose shooting down a Mig.

And of course there is the F-15, the workaholic and the F-18, the cool kid on the block and the F-16, who gets the job done. That Desert Storm Era was an awesome time for fighter jets and, IMO, was the best.

I'm really excited about the new modifications of the F-18 and the production of the F-35. Talk about mobility, the F-35 is all you could every want in fighter jet.

Not a fan of Congress cutting off the budget of the F-22.

I'm also a HUGE fan of the Russian Sukhoi series...

[Firebird]

Since I'm a young gun I loved all the planes on Top Gun. Now, the F-14 is really known as the grandfather of fighter jets but is still iconic to me. Every time I think of dogfight I think of Maverick and Goose shooting down a Mig.

And of course there is the F-15, the workaholic and the F-18, the cool kid on the block and the F-16, who gets the job done. That Desert Storm Era was an awesome time for fighter jets and, IMO, was the best.

I'm really excited about the new modifications of the F-18 and the production of the F-35. Talk about mobility, the F-35 is all you could every want in fighter jet.

Not a fan of Congress cutting off the budget of the F-22.

I'm also a HUGE fan of the Russian Sukhoi series...

Yeah, but the guys that flew the fabric biplanes had ice water in the veins. Extra Canadian bonus points for mad_fan with proper ID:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8a/BillyBishop.jpg

[GoOwls]

World War II planes were cool, had personalities, were at that point in aviation where the planes still had top be flown with stick and raw skill and the seat of your pants.

When there is an air show in the Metromess and one flys over as it is preparing to participate, it still runs chills down my spine hearing that deep throated power of those Allisons, Rolls Royces, etc., compared to the little engines of today......when a WWII air bucket passes by, you know it simply by the sound of the engine/engines and you must look up for it....it's just so different.

[slorch]

I am enamored by the "regular everyman" pilots and the courage of our flyers in the prop driven era. The bombers as well as the fighters are the "muscle car" generation of planes, IMO. I can read/ watch about Corsairs, Thunderbolts, Liberators, and Lightning's for hour upon hour.

[slorch]

World War II planes were cool, had personalities, were at that point in aviation where the planes still had top be flown with stick and raw skill and the seat of your pants.

When there is an air show in the Metromess and one flys over as it is preparing to participate, it still runs chills down my spine hearing that deep throated power of those Allisons, Rolls Royces, etc., compared to the little engines of today......when a WWII air bucket passes by, you know it simply by the sound of the engine/engines and you must look up for it....it's just so different.

seems we agree on this one.:cool:

[F18mustang]

World War II planes were cool, had personalities, were at that point in aviation where the planes still had top be flown with stick and raw skill and the seat of your pants.

When there is an air show in the Metromess and one flys over as it is preparing to participate, it still runs chills down my spine hearing that deep throated power of those Allisons, Rolls Royces, etc., compared to the little engines of today......when a WWII air bucket passes by, you know it simply by the sound of the engine/engines and you must look up for it....it's just so different.

http://www.txaa.org/images/CAF_FIFI.jpg

[slorch]

I loved to watch Baa-Baa Black Sheep when I was a kid. As I grew older and learned some of the real history behind the planes, the Corsair is still one of my favorites.

http://www.in-am.org/images/exhibit_images/1945_F4U5N_Corsair.jpg

[F18mustang]

Ohhhhh yeah....

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l243/jmcdmc/pi_1444.jpg

[slorch]

Ohhhhh yeah....

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l243/jmcdmc/pi_1444.jpg

no riding the fence.

You have to eject from one of those rides...;):D

[F18mustang]

no riding the fence.

You have to eject from one of those rides...;):D

Do you see the deeper meaning?

[mad_fan]

I grew up (in the service) with this...

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l243/jmcdmc/f11720Custom.jpg


...before it made its way to Tonopah AF...
There were others that never made it to production...
But I voted WWII...The Men...The Aircraft...and the defenses they flew against...

[mad_fan]

Ohhhhh yeah....

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l243/jmcdmc/pi_1444.jpg

you are lucky I left that in the bucket...;)

[slorch]

Do you see the deeper meaning?

duh.

yeah, i think it's cool as hell.

One vote only, sir.:rolleyes::mad::D

[mad_fan]

One vote only, sir

Bull s hi t...:rolleyes:

[slorch]

Bull s hi t...:rolleyes:

what duyou think this is, Florida?:confused::D

[mad_fan]

what duyou think this is, Florida?:confused::D

what duyou think this is, Florida?:confused::D

f*ck Florida (and their college football teams)...
Jim Wells County...that's how elections are won...:notworthy

[GoOwls]

http://www.txaa.org/images/CAF_FIFI.jpg

Actually, this is one of my least favorite WWII planes. It was the beginning of the planes that were more built for function.....like a robot.....no personality....it was simply exceptionally functional....no real flaws.....it had no personality.

My favs. were, in order of preference:

B-17, P-51, P-38, Corsair, B-26 Marauder, B-25, Me 109, Stuka Dive Bomber.\

I had no real love for the B-24, P-47, etc.

[SLC]

Voted '70s to '00s.

Gotta go with some of the badest dogfighters of all time......

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/7615/300pxf1571stfightersqua.jpg

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/5862/300pxf16june2008.jpg

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/5499/300pxusmcfa18hornet.jpg

[F18mustang]

Actually, this is one of my least favorite WWII planes. It was the beginning of the planes that were more built for function.....like a robot.....no personality....it was simply exceptionally functional....no real flaws.....it had no personality.

My favs. were, in order of preference:

B-17, P-51, P-38, Corsair, B-26 Marauder, B-25, Me 109, Stuka Dive Bomber.\

I had no real love for the B-24, P-47, etc.

You gotta give it some credit though. The plane singlehandedly ended WWII.

[F18mustang]

Voted '70s to '00s.

Gotta go with some of the badest dogfighters of all time......

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/7615/300pxf1571stfightersqua.jpg

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/5862/300pxf16june2008.jpg

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/5499/300pxusmcfa18hornet.jpg

:cool:

[GoOwls]

You gotta give it some credit though. The plane singlehandedly ended WWII.



I gave it credit....it was just too good.....and no style points.....the thing looked like it was designed by whatever would have been a computer in those days.....the B-17 and P-51 had style and lines...esp. the 51...it still looks like it could be the fastest thing in the sky....the 17 was just a tough old bird.

I love the modern fighters, but I gotta give the A-10 the favorite amongst them.....it's ugly in a beautiful way, and one of the baddest planes to ever take to the air.....armament and armor are unmatched.

[GTown02]

I love the modern fighters, but I gotta give the A-10 the favorite amongst them.....it's ugly in a beautiful way, and one of the baddest planes to ever take to the air.....armament and armor are unmatched.

This! The A-10 is one of my favorite modern planes. Just one bad:Censor:, no frills airplane.

http://www.military-page.de/waffen/mk/gau8/bild_gau8_02.jpg

Anything with that as its weapon is awesome in my mind...

[Firebird]

Man, no love for the OG dogfighters.

http://z.about.com/d/militaryhistory/1/0/z/2/-/-/SopwithCamel.jpg

If you like airplanes with "personality".......

[Bass]

Man, no love for the OG dogfighters.

http://z.about.com/d/militaryhistory/1/0/z/2/-/-/SopwithCamel.jpg

If you like airplanes with "personality".......

That's quite enough, Firebird.

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd152/ZAKeener/Ju87B.jpg

[Firebird]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2041/2421848437_59731de80d.jpg?v=0

[Firebird]

http://randyroberts.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/nieuport-28.jpg

[GTown02]

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c392/Hannibal131/p-51mustang.jpg

/thread

[F18mustang]

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c392/Hannibal131/p-51mustang.jpg

/thread

this

[SLC]

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/8519/10383.jpg

[F18mustang]

Sukhoi's and a Tornado...

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Images/9204-1/Sukhoi-Euro-028.jpg

[Firebird]

I think y'all are failing to appreciate the gonads of brass it took to climb into an open fabric bodied biplane and go toe to toe with the Flying Circus above the trenches. I don't know how they fit them in the cockpit.

[F18mustang]

I think y'all are failing to appreciate the gonads of brass it took to climb into an open fabric bodied biplane and go toe to toe with the Flying Circus above the trenches. I don't know how they fit them in the cockpit.

I appreciate them fully, I just like the appeal of grey metal. Kinda like OU scoring 60 points every week....

[Firebird]

I appreciate them fully, I just like the appeal of grey metal. Kinda like OU scoring 60 points every week....

"You ain't seen pain yet....but it's coming"

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/64/Mvrredbaron.jpg

Speaking of the Great War, the last Tommie died in England at 110 this week.

[SLC]

I think y'all are failing to appreciate the gonads of brass it took to climb into an open fabric bodied biplane and go toe to toe with the Flying Circus above the trenches. I don't know how they fit them in the cockpit.



I do appreciate them, I just like the fighters, and I like them to have teeth.


http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/4933/f20.jpg

[GoOwls]

I think y'all are failing to appreciate the gonads of brass it took to climb into an open fabric bodied biplane and go toe to toe with the Flying Circus above the trenches. I don't know how they fit them in the cockpit.

First of all, I realize your involvement with the WWI planes here is just because you are being an a**.....:D

However, I'll humor you......I liked the WWI planes just fine, but as a kid, the WWII planes were fixtures of bravery and honor and were decisive in the winning of the war.....while it indeed took brass to climb in a plane over the trenches, I realized that the airplane was little more than a side note to WWI......it really had little impact....it was something for the rich guys to fight with and die with honor.....the aerial dog fight was the sword fight of the early 1900's.

[DrEdward]

http://gadgetophilia.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/f-4_phantom_ii_in_flying.jpg

A great deal can be said in favor of the F-4 - big , fast, tough and extraordinarily capable both as a fighter and ground attack aircraft. Besides, with those wings, it always reminded me of the previous WWII F-4U Corsair.

[slorch]

Chad Hennings of the Dallas Cowboys flew A-10's.
http://www.hickoksports.com/images/hennings_chad.jpg

[GoOwls]

http://gadgetophilia.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/f-4_phantom_ii_in_flying.jpg

A great deal can be said in favor of the F-4 - big , fast, tough and extraordinarily capable both as a fighter and dround attack aircraft. Besides, with those wings, it always reminded me of the previous WWII F-4U Corsair.

I always loved the design...easily my fav. design of the Vietnam era back in jets, and up there with F-15 and B-52, behind the A-10.

Honorable mention to the B-47.

[smw358]

I would not build the Air Force all that they want of the F-22, but because of what this plane can do..... it kicks all butts!

[ktCarl]

Man, no love for the OG dogfighters.

http://z.about.com/d/militaryhistory/1/0/z/2/-/-/SopwithCamel.jpg

If you like airplanes with "personality".......

This is an excellent thread!!

I love those WWI bi-planes but the WWII aircraft were awesome in that a lot of them were developed in such a short period of time. I believe the P-51 went from drawing board to maiden flight in about 4 months.
The WWI and WWII pilots were the first and last of the true dogfighters. They had to out maneuver their opponent and try to keep them in their sights to shoot them down. Nowadays you locate your 'bogey' on a radar screen and fire a missile at them from about 6 miles away.

[smw358]

I recently ran across this General's viewpoint regarding the F-22. Here's the article....

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204908604574332870284931470.html


http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/images/fa-22_030709-f-6911g-002-s.jpg

[country club]

Air Force urged to consider Navy F-18s
By Megan Scully
CongressDaily
August 6, 2009
As the Air National Guard grapples with an impending fighter jet shortfall
that will threaten its ability to protect U.S. airspace, its supporters in
Congress and the Pentagon want the Air Force to consider all possible
solutions -- even buying Navy F-18s to fill the gap.
Lawmakers and other National Guard boosters are becoming increasingly
frustrated with the Defense Department and the Air Force, charging that
officials have no workable plan to deal with the Guard's aging fleet.
They argue that 80 percent of the Air Guard's F-16s, which fly the majority
of Air Sovereignty Alert missions, will retire years before their
replacements are ready, depleting units of the aircraft they need to secure
domestic airspace.


The workhorse F-15 fleet isn't in much better shape, having been grounded
for three months after one broke apart in November 2007 during a training
mission over eastern Missouri.
According to a Government Accountability Office report released this year,
the Air Force will not have viable aircraft after fiscal 2015 at some of its
18 ASA sites in the United States -- 16 of which are run by the Guard. By
2032, two sites will still not have viable aircraft for the mission.
"Despite the Pentagon's head-in-the- sand attitude, I'm exploring any and
every option on the table to address the looming fighter shortfall," said
Sen. Christopher (Kit) Bond, R-Mo., co-chairman of the Senate National Guard
Caucus.
Bond and others have proposed buying "4.5-generation" fighters - advanced
versions of current fighters that are less costly than the F-22 Raptor and
F-35 Joint Strike Fighter - as one option that could solve the problem
quickly.
Across the Capitol, the House has passed a fiscal 2010 defense authorization
bill that includes an amendment by Rep. Frank LoBiondo, R-N.J., requiring
Defense Secretary Robert Gates to review buying advanced F-15s, F-16s and
F-18s for the Air Guard.
"To me, it's a very critical problem that needs immediate attention in order
to avert a real catastrophe in eight to 10 years," LoBiondo said.
Both the F-15s and F-16s are still in production for international
customers. But there is concern that advanced versions of the F-15, a Boeing
Co.-built plane with a price tag that could top $70 million, would be
cost-prohibitive. As for Lockheed Martin Corp.'s F-16, the manufacturer is
expected to focus its U.S. efforts on its F-35 program.
While neither plane is out of the question, the Navy's F/A-18E/F Super
Hornet, another Boeing plane, has emerged as an appealing, though
unorthodox, alternative.
Boeing has given the Navy an unsolicited offer to buy 149 of those aircraft
carrier-based fighters as part of a multiyear procurement plan at $49.9
million apiece. The price tag would likely drop if the military bought more
to equip Air Guard units.
For its part, Boeing said it hasn't had any discussions with the National
Guard about the F-18s. But one defense official said it's an area the Air
Force should review.
"I think the taxpayer demands we look at this because it's an efficient,
highly capable aircraft that can sustain our force structure through this
risky period," the official said.
The Air Force is focusing its budgets on the F-35, which eventually will
make its way to the Air Guard. But leaders insist they are open to other
solutions, if necessary.
Lt. Gen. Harry Wyatt, chief of the Air Guard, said last week he is "platform
agnostic," but mentioned the F-18 -- along with the F-15 and F-16 -- as a
possible solution, especially if the F-35 program falls behind schedule.
But the defense official expects the Air Force to reject any efforts to buy
Super Hornets -- or any other older fighters. "The Air Force won't do it
willingly, more than likely, because it doesn't meet their strategy," he
said.
Buying F-18s would not mark the first time the Air Force purchased planes
built for the Navy. During the Vietnam War, the Air Force flew A-7 Corsair
IIs, F-4 Phantom IIs, and A-1 Skyraiders, all of which were originally
designed for take offs and landings on Navy carriers.
Still, there would likely be concerns within the Air Force and even in some
state Air Guard units that buying F-18s would complicate training and
logistics.
But those arguments, the defense official said, are "not valid."

[country club]

These guys are my submission for coolest era.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s183/scooterbobby/x-15.jpg





http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s183/scooterbobby/chuckinthedesert.jpg

[smw358]

Air Force urged to consider Navy F-18s
By Megan Scully
CongressDaily
August 6, 2009

As the Air National Guard grapples with an impending fighter jet shortfall
that will threaten its ability to protect U.S. airspace, its supporters in
Congress and the Pentagon want the Air Force to consider all possible
solutions -- even buying Navy F-18s to fill the gap.
Lawmakers and other National Guard boosters are becoming increasingly
frustrated with the Defense Department and the Air Force, charging that
officials have no workable plan to deal with the Guard's aging fleet.
They argue that 80 percent of the Air Guard's F-16s, which fly the majority
of Air Sovereignty Alert missions, will retire years before their
replacements are ready, depleting units of the aircraft they need to secure
domestic airspace.


The workhorse F-15 fleet isn't in much better shape, having been grounded
for three months after one broke apart in November 2007 during a training
mission over eastern Missouri.
According to a Government Accountability Office report released this year,
the Air Force will not have viable aircraft after fiscal 2015 at some of its
18 ASA sites in the United States -- 16 of which are run by the Guard. By
2032, two sites will still not have viable aircraft for the mission.
"Despite the Pentagon's head-in-the- sand attitude, I'm exploring any and
every option on the table to address the looming fighter shortfall," said
Sen. Christopher (Kit) Bond, R-Mo., co-chairman of the Senate National Guard
Caucus.
Bond and others have proposed buying "4.5-generation" fighters - advanced
versions of current fighters that are less costly than the F-22 Raptor and
F-35 Joint Strike Fighter - as one option that could solve the problem
quickly.
Across the Capitol, the House has passed a fiscal 2010 defense authorization
bill that includes an amendment by Rep. Frank LoBiondo, R-N.J., requiring
Defense Secretary Robert Gates to review buying advanced F-15s, F-16s and
F-18s for the Air Guard.
"To me, it's a very critical problem that needs immediate attention in order
to avert a real catastrophe in eight to 10 years," LoBiondo said.
Both the F-15s and F-16s are still in production for international
customers. But there is concern that advanced versions of the F-15, a Boeing
Co.-built plane with a price tag that could top $70 million, would be
cost-prohibitive. As for Lockheed Martin Corp.'s F-16, the manufacturer is
expected to focus its U.S. efforts on its F-35 program.
While neither plane is out of the question, the Navy's F/A-18E/F Super
Hornet, another Boeing plane, has emerged as an appealing, though
unorthodox, alternative.
Boeing has given the Navy an unsolicited offer to buy 149 of those aircraft
carrier-based fighters as part of a multiyear procurement plan at $49.9
million apiece. The price tag would likely drop if the military bought more
to equip Air Guard units.
For its part, Boeing said it hasn't had any discussions with the National
Guard about the F-18s. But one defense official said it's an area the Air
Force should review.
"I think the taxpayer demands we look at this because it's an efficient,
highly capable aircraft that can sustain our force structure through this
risky period," the official said.
The Air Force is focusing its budgets on the F-35, which eventually will
make its way to the Air Guard. But leaders insist they are open to other
solutions, if necessary.
Lt. Gen. Harry Wyatt, chief of the Air Guard, said last week he is "platform
agnostic," but mentioned the F-18 -- along with the F-15 and F-16 -- as a
possible solution, especially if the F-35 program falls behind schedule.
But the defense official expects the Air Force to reject any efforts to buy
Super Hornets -- or any other older fighters. "The Air Force won't do it
willingly, more than likely, because it doesn't meet their strategy," he
said.
Buying F-18s would not mark the first time the Air Force purchased planes
built for the Navy. During the Vietnam War, the Air Force flew A-7 Corsair
IIs, F-4 Phantom IIs, and A-1 Skyraiders, all of which were originally
designed for take offs and landings on Navy carriers.
Still, there would likely be concerns within the Air Force and even in some
state Air Guard units that buying F-18s would complicate training and
logistics.
But those arguments, the defense official said, are "not valid."


Reading the prior article from the WSJ and reading this....it makes perfect sense to scrap the F22.......:cool:

[country club]

Reading the prior article from the WSJ and reading this....it makes perfect sense to scrap the F22.......:cool:

Roger that.

[CoveMom]

These guys are my submission for coolest era.



http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s183/scooterbobby/chuckinthedesert.jpg


This is the face I saw when the question was asked. And that was the "airplane" I had in mind when I thought "coolest"


I met him at the airport in Frankfurt, Germany in the late 80's.

[Firebird]

This is the face I saw when the question was asked. And that was the "airplane" I had in mind when I thought "coolest"


I met him at the airport in Frankfurt, Germany in the late 80's.

Chuck Yeager is and always will be THE MAN, but I stand by my choice of WWI. Barely 10 years after the first flight and you had guys ready to hop in a wooden framed, cloth covered rickety machine and shoot a vickers machine gun through the prop blades. Stones, man, that took stones. Plus, the silk scarf/goggles combo is still the coolest look. These guys were the pioneers, everyone else stands on their shoulders. Richthofen will always be the man. Even Snoopy knows that.

[slorch]

F16 vs. C-130



A C-130 was lumbering along when a cocky F-16 flashed by.
The jet jockey decided to show off.
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/f-16c-19990601-f-0073c-005.jpg


The fighter jock told the C-130 pilot, 'watch this!' and promptly
went into a barrel roll followed by a steep climb.




He then finished with a sonic boom as he broke
the sound barrier.

The F-16 pilot asked the C-130 pilot what he thought of that?


The C-130 pilot said, 'That was impressive, but watch this!'
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0a/C-130_Hercules_over_Santa_Cruz_Island.jpg

The C-130 droned along for about 5 minutes and
then the C-130 pilot came back on and said:
'What did you think of that?'

Puzzled, the F-16 pilot asked, 'What the heck did you do?'

The C-130 pilot chuckled. 'I stood up, stretched my legs,
walked to the back, went to the bathroom,
then got a cup of coffee and a cinnamon bun.'

The moral of the story:

When you are young & foolish -
speed & flash may seem a good thing!!!

When you get older & smarter -
comfort & dull is not such a bad thing!!!

Us old folks understand this one.

[slorch]

read the joke...

bump!

[JOH]

F16 vs. C-130



A C-130 was lumbering along when a cocky F-16 flashed by.
The jet jockey decided to show off.The fighter jock told the C-130 pilot, 'watch this!' and promptly went into a barrel roll followed by a steep climb. He then finished with a sonic boom as he broke
the sound barrier.

The F-16 pilot asked the C-130 pilot what he thought of that?

The C-130 pilot said, 'That was impressive, but watch this!'
The C-130 droned along for about 5 minutes andthen the C-130 pilot came back on and said: 'What did you think of that?'

Puzzled, the F-16 pilot asked, 'What the heck did you do?'

The C-130 pilot chuckled. 'I stood up, stretched my legs,
walked to the back, went to the bathroom,
then got a cup of coffee and a cinnamon bun.'

The moral of the story:

When you are young & foolish -
speed & flash may seem a good thing!!!

When you get older & smarter -
comfort & dull is not such a bad thing!!!

Us old folks understand this one.

Silly old man, young people never get old...

[smw358]

F16 vs. C-130



A C-130 was lumbering along when a cocky F-16 flashed by.
The jet jockey decided to show off.
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/f-16c-19990601-f-0073c-005.jpg


The fighter jock told the C-130 pilot, 'watch this!' and promptly
went into a barrel roll followed by a steep climb.



He then finished with a sonic boom as he broke
the sound barrier.

The F-16 pilot asked the C-130 pilot what he thought of that?


The C-130 pilot said, 'That was impressive, but watch this!'
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0a/C-130_Hercules_over_Santa_Cruz_Island.jpg

The C-130 droned along for about 5 minutes and
then the C-130 pilot came back on and said:
'What did you think of that?'

Puzzled, the F-16 pilot asked, 'What the heck did you do?'

The C-130 pilot chuckled. 'I stood up, stretched my legs,
walked to the back, went to the bathroom,
then got a cup of coffee and a cinnamon bun.'

The moral of the story:

When you are young & foolish -
speed & flash may seem a good thing!!!

When you get older & smarter -
comfort & dull is not such a bad thing!!!

Us old folks understand this one.



One of my flight instructors......an ex Navy dive bomber.......use to tell me.....there are Old pilots and there are Bold Pilots. But there aren't too many Old Bold pilots.......