TexasHSFootball.com's Preseason Rankings

[jrock210]

http://www.texashsfootball.com/rankings/2009/preseason5a.htm

Thoughts?

[SLC]

http://www.texashsfootball.com/rankings/2009/preseason5a.htm

Thoughts?


Damn! Los Fresnos se acerca ...Cuidado!!:eek:

[abileneeagles311]

midland at 14?

[caesarscott]

unaware that site is/was still around

[Red Raider Rick]

Don't think he did much research for 23-5A. Of course, conventional wisdom at this point is Hightower, then everyone else.

[BlackAttack]

midland at 14?

Real. These ratings make Dave Campbells look like geniuses by comparison. Midland is switching defenses, from the 5-0 Arizona swarm, to a 4-3. They lost the only playmaker they had, Rb Darius Miller, and belive me that is a huge loss. This will be a rebuilding year for the Purple Dawgs.

[E-Vol-ution]

Damn....I thought people stopped smoking that angel dust by now......:confused:http://www.texashsfootball.com/rankings/2009/preseason5a.htm

Thoughts?

[mad_fan]

http://www.texashsfootball.com/rankings/2009/preseason5a.htm

Thoughts?

Thoughts???
I don't think they looked here...
http://www.5atexasfootball.com/2009%20Gridiron%20Guide/09State_Preseason_Top25.htm

[E-Vol-ution]

I thought that kid was a junior last year.....even with him. Uh, nevermind.Real. These ratings make Dave Campbells look like geniuses by comparison. Midland is switching defenses, from the 5-0 Arizona swarm, to a 4-3. They lost the only playmaker they had, Rb Darius Miller, and belive me that is a huge loss. This will be a rebuilding year for the Purple Dawgs.

[jrock210]

unaware that site is/was still around

Ya. They are losing alot of traffic cuz of the 4A and under board that 5A has now.

[Empire strikes back]

I got one word to say for those rankings: Whaaaaat????????? :eek::eek::confused:

[the_phoenix612]

Ya. They are losing alot of traffic cuz of the 4A and under board that 5A has now.

We're way better over here anyways.

[CoveMom]

There are some seriously AWOL Pirates of Wylie missing from that list...


And (no offense guys) why is Lufkin that High on the list?????

[mad_fan]

I got one word to say for those rankings: Whaaaaat????????? :eek::eek::confused:

San Antonio Clark belongs at #10...they earned it...

[twcpfan1]

Was trying to pull up their pre season rankings from 08 to see how it compares to this one's and DC's in the final wash.

Pre season rankings are nothing but popularity contests until about week 1 or 2 when it starts making some sense.

[Mr. Rod]

unaware that site is/was still around

U ain't the only one.

[Empire strikes back]

San Antonio Clark belongs at #10...they earned it...

They do deserve a ranking, I'll give you that, but I still question that whole entire format.

[jrock210]

Was trying to pull up their pre season rankings from 08 to see how it compares to this one's and DC's in the final wash.

Pre season rankings are nothing but popularity contests until about week 1 or 2 when it starts making some sense.

Agreed.
If Katy beats North Shore they earned a #1 spot.

[wizenbud]

I got one word to say for those rankings: Whaaaaat????????? :eek::eek::confused:

This. +100

[SWMHebron]

http://www.texashsfootball.com/rankings/2009/preseason5a.htm

Thoughts?

Well, call it a season. The only 6-5A team in the top 40 is Southlake Carroll. Guess the rest of us will just go home.

[Red Raider Rick]

I made a post there 2 days ago, after subscribing :Censor:...and there has not been a single view of any of the posts on the board since.

It reminds me of this time a guy invited me to a party. He told me there would be drinking, dancing, fighting and some good loving at the end of the night. I said, "sounds great, who's going to be there?"

He replied...."Just you and me." :D

[F18mustang]

At least they tried.

[Slim-Rob]

Everyone has their own beliefs people. Don't hate on the guy, he does a lot of research and just because his rankings differ from what you guys think they should be does not mean they are wrong.


The KT's could end up being way off this season. You never know. That's why everyone's rankings change throughout the season.

[wizenbud]

I made a post there 2 days ago, after subscribing :Censor:...and there has not been a single view of any of the posts on the board since.

It reminds me of this time a guy invited me to a party. He told me there would be drinking, dancing, fighting and some good loving at the end of the night. I said, "sounds great, who's going to be there?"

He replied...."Just you and me." :D

Classic post. :notworthy

LMAO !! Got me howling !!! :notworthy

[Red Raider Rick]

It was 101...I had to do something. :D

[mad_fan]

They do deserve a ranking, I'll give you that, but I still question that whole entire format.

I forgot the :rolleyes:...
Sorry...

[Favpack]

Very colorful - cute.

[has09]

every site has questionable rankings. I seem to recall this site ranked WT White second in 9-5A last year, no need to rip someone's pre-season poll

[Red Raider Rick]

My beef is I am looking at content I just paid for, now being given away for free and at this stage is not a well prepared as I was lead to believe.

***Edit: I got TexasHSFootball site, mixed up with Pigskin Prep whose content was posted for free on The Old Coach today***

Apologies to TexasHSFootball...

[F18mustang]

Everyone has their own beliefs people. Don't hate on the guy, he does a lot of research and just because his rankings differ from what you guys think they should be does not mean they are wrong.


The KT's could end up being way off this season. You never know. That's why everyone's rankings change throughout the season.

Now now.

Midland loses most of their offense, with the exception of Bolger and Goodley and maybe a few more. Gets a #14 ranking.

Odessa High returns most of their offense including Teegarden and All-State RB Marquez and gets a #29 ranking...

Questionable is all.

[PirateParent2011]

There are some seriously AWOL Pirates of Wylie missing from that list...


And (no offense guys) why is Lufkin that High on the list?????

This!

[LH fan]

No Lake Highlands in his top 40. That makes me chuckle.

[LP-79]

Lufkin does not deserve to be Top 20 on anybodys list till they show they can git-er-dun on the field! My opinion is they surpass expectations this year but prove it first!

[has09]

My beef is I am looking at content I just paid for, now being given away for free and at this stage is not a well prepared as I was lead to believe.

***Edit: I got TexasHSFootball site, mixed up with Pigskin Prep whose content was posted for free on The Old Coach today***

Apologies to TexasHSFootball...

Pigskin Prep content isn't being given away for free if you subscribe to the old coach you get the pigskin prep rankings but not the other stuff like playoff projected brackets etc.

[33Blood]

until about week 1 or 2 when it starts making some sense.

Even then it's not always clear. I remember some fork sticking last year on Katy.

[jrock210]

I don't mind the pick IMO.
It's the guys personal picks nd every site is different.

[Slim-Rob]

Now now.

Midland loses most of their offense, with the exception of Bolger and Goodley and maybe a few more. Gets a #14 ranking.

Odessa High returns most of their offense including Teegarden and All-State RB Marquez and gets a #29 ranking...

Questionable is all.

And? He may be way off with a few of the picks but they are his picks.

[Wypirates03]

Ya. They are losing alot of traffic cuz of the 4A and under board that 5A has now.

They're losing traffic because Chris, the owner of the site, goes MIA a lot and doesn't post anything. People move on, and that's it.

I don't think he did much research this year, as is evident by Plano being ranked so high.

[TexasHSFootball]

tsk tsk tsk .. where to begin here....

First off, I do not appreciate the amount of disrespect and bashing I have gotten on this thread. I have put months... many days and sleepless nights into my research in preparation of the Pre-Season poll release and the previews in which I am currently working through piece by piece. To have it trashed as it has been here is unfair, uncalled for and an insult to the efforts and amount of work and thought I have put into it.

In response to the Midland ranking above Odessa and Permian.. one of the considerations I had to put in mind was the shift at the head coaching position not only at Permian but at Lubbock Monterey and Midland Lee. When it comes to Odessa High, the role they are playing is completely reversed from last year. Yes, they do have Derrick Teegarden back on top of 14 other starters on both sides of the ball. While I am not counting them out to win the district, as they are probably the favorite to win the district, they do now have a huge target on their back after being the hunters last season to being the hunted this season. How will they respond under even more pressure this season? That question is yet to be seen. Yes. Midland was a very bold selection. But Midland, among the top three or four teams in the race, is probably the most stable team out there as a whole. Furthermore, I think Antwan Goodley is very underrated as a player and the way he progresses week in week out.

As for Southlake Carroll being the only 6-5A team in the statewide Top 40. I do think this is the best team the Dragons have had in the Wasson era. They bring back more than any of the other teams in the district. It is hard not to pick against them in this district. Now do I think they will cakewalk through the district ... certainly not. But Hebron will not be the same team it was last year, Coppell and Lewisville have new coaches. Marcus and Flower Mound will be improved but the question about those two is basically can they match up nose to nose and from end zone to end zone with a team like Carroll. All that being said, 6-5A isn't the only place where there is decent football being played across the state. I do have both Hebron and Marcus right on the cut line. Lake Highlands... I also put in the same general mix as Marcus and Hebron.. they are right there on the cut line.

As for my Plano ranking.. despite losing Burkhead, they will still be a very dangerous team to deal with. Will they be as good as they were last year.. not by a long shot.

In regards to the MIA accusation handed down by WyPirates03 (who probably has some grudge against me for whatever reason), yes I was gone for much of last season. But it was a personal issue I had to deal with as it was beyond my control. I will not openly discuss that issue in the public domain as it is personal but I will say this.. my health and well-being was severely affected.

And if you have an issue with me personally, I am not hard to find. I don't agree with everything the 5ATF staff has done, including the 4A and Under board, but they do have my respect and they have mine.

[SLC]

tsk tsk tsk .. where to begin here....

First off, I do not appreciate the amount of disrespect and bashing I have gotten on this thread. I have put months... many days and sleepless nights into my research in preparation of the Pre-Season poll release and the previews in which I am currently working through piece by piece. To have it trashed as it has been here is unfair, uncalled for and an insult to the efforts and amount of work and thought I have put into it.

In response to the Midland ranking above Odessa and Permian.. one of the considerations I had to put in mind was the shift at the head coaching position not only at Permian but at Lubbock Monterey and Midland Lee. When it comes to Odessa High, the role they are playing is completely reversed from last year. Yes, they do have Derrick Teegarden back on top of 14 other starters on both sides of the ball. While I am not counting them out to win the district, as they are probably the favorite to win the district, they do now have a huge target on their back after being the hunters last season to being the hunted this season. How will they respond under even more pressure this season? That question is yet to be seen. Yes. Midland was a very bold selection. But Midland, among the top three or four teams in the race, is probably the most stable team out there as a whole. Furthermore, I think Antwan Goodley is very underrated as a player and the way he progresses week in week out.

As for Southlake Carroll being the only 6-5A team in the statewide Top 40. I do think this is the best team the Dragons have had in the Wasson era. They bring back more than any of the other teams in the district. It is hard not to pick against them in this district. Now do I think they will cakewalk through the district ... certainly not. But Hebron will not be the same team it was last year, Coppell and Lewisville have new coaches. Marcus and Flower Mound will be improved but the question about those two is basically can they match up nose to nose and from end zone to end zone with a team like Carroll. All that being said, 6-5A isn't the only place where there is decent football being played across the state. I do have both Hebron and Marcus right on the cut line. Lake Highlands... I also put in the same general mix as Marcus and Hebron.. they are right there on the cut line.

As for my Plano ranking.. despite losing Burkhead, they will still be a very dangerous team to deal with. Will they be as good as they were last year.. not by a long shot.

In regards to the MIA accusation handed down by WyPirates03 (who probably has some grudge against me for whatever reason), yes I was gone for much of last season. But it was a personal issue I had to deal with as it was beyond my control. I will not openly discuss that issue in the public domain as it is personal but I will say this.. my health and well-being was severely affected.

And if you have an issue with me personally, I am not hard to find. I don't agree with everything the 5ATF staff has done, including the 4A and Under board, but they do have my respect and they have mine.


Fair enough bro...Well said. Picks, in any week, are just that...Picks...they are made with no exact certainty as to what will happen during a season...I have followed High School Football for the better part of 25 years and ALL the polls vary from each other and certainly a pre-season poll is the most shaky...I dont care who makes it. Keep on trucking man and I hope you are well and continue to be so.

[Wypirates03]

tsk tsk tsk .. where to begin here....

First off, I do not appreciate the amount of disrespect and bashing I have gotten on this thread. I have put months... many days and sleepless nights into my research in preparation of the Pre-Season poll release and the previews in which I am currently working through piece by piece. To have it trashed as it has been here is unfair, uncalled for and an insult to the efforts and amount of work and thought I have put into it.

In response to the Midland ranking above Odessa and Permian.. one of the considerations I had to put in mind was the shift at the head coaching position not only at Permian but at Lubbock Monterey and Midland Lee. When it comes to Odessa High, the role they are playing is completely reversed from last year. Yes, they do have Derrick Teegarden back on top of 14 other starters on both sides of the ball. While I am not counting them out to win the district, as they are probably the favorite to win the district, they do now have a huge target on their back after being the hunters last season to being the hunted this season. How will they respond under even more pressure this season? That question is yet to be seen. Yes. Midland was a very bold selection. But Midland, among the top three or four teams in the race, is probably the most stable team out there as a whole. Furthermore, I think Antwan Goodley is very underrated as a player and the way he progresses week in week out.

As for Southlake Carroll being the only 6-5A team in the statewide Top 40. I do think this is the best team the Dragons have had in the Wasson era. They bring back more than any of the other teams in the district. It is hard not to pick against them in this district. Now do I think they will cakewalk through the district ... certainly not. But Hebron will not be the same team it was last year, Coppell and Lewisville have new coaches. Marcus and Flower Mound will be improved but the question about those two is basically can they match up nose to nose and from end zone to end zone with a team like Carroll. All that being said, 6-5A isn't the only place where there is decent football being played across the state. I do have both Hebron and Marcus right on the cut line. Lake Highlands... I also put in the same general mix as Marcus and Hebron.. they are right there on the cut line.

As for my Plano ranking.. despite losing Burkhead, they will still be a very dangerous team to deal with. Will they be as good as they were last year.. not by a long shot.

In regards to the MIA accusation handed down by WyPirates03 (who probably has some grudge against me for whatever reason), yes I was gone for much of last season. But it was a personal issue I had to deal with as it was beyond my control. I will not openly discuss that issue in the public domain as it is personal but I will say this.. my health and well-being was severely affected.

And if you have an issue with me personally, I am not hard to find. I don't agree with everything the 5ATF staff has done, including the 4A and Under board, but they do have my respect and they have mine.

Chris,

I have no grudge against you, for any reason. I was stating a fact - you being MIA for awhile. I did not know what the reasons were at hand. But the fact of the matter is that you were gone, and some people have left. I still read your site a lot, and appreciate the work that you put into it. My comment on Plano was because I was at Plano's spring game an I do not see them having the type of season they have had the last 2 years with Meager, Burkhead, and Lott running the show.

[E-Vol-ution]

Sorry if your hair is bristled.........but no way you studied all these SA and Valley teams and think they will all finish ahead of Arlington Bowie. Of course you are entitled to your predictions, but also expect to have them questioned and or dismissed. That being said............your poll is the weakest of all that I have personally seen published in the state of Texas.
I do indeed hope all of your affairs are well and in order, and would never insult you as a man or your integrity. Don't feel too bad, somebody has to come in last place. Doesn't mean you don't have a right to suit up.
tsk tsk tsk .. where to begin here....

First off, I do not appreciate the amount of disrespect and bashing I have gotten on this thread. I have put months... many days and sleepless nights into my research in preparation of the Pre-Season poll release and the previews in which I am currently working through piece by piece. To have it trashed as it has been here is unfair, uncalled for and an insult to the efforts and amount of work and thought I have put into it.

In response to the Midland ranking above Odessa and Permian.. one of the considerations I had to put in mind was the shift at the head coaching position not only at Permian but at Lubbock Monterey and Midland Lee. When it comes to Odessa High, the role they are playing is completely reversed from last year. Yes, they do have Derrick Teegarden back on top of 14 other starters on both sides of the ball. While I am not counting them out to win the district, as they are probably the favorite to win the district, they do now have a huge target on their back after being the hunters last season to being the hunted this season. How will they respond under even more pressure this season? That question is yet to be seen. Yes. Midland was a very bold selection. But Midland, among the top three or four teams in the race, is probably the most stable team out there as a whole. Furthermore, I think Antwan Goodley is very underrated as a player and the way he progresses week in week out.

As for Southlake Carroll being the only 6-5A team in the statewide Top 40. I do think this is the best team the Dragons have had in the Wasson era. They bring back more than any of the other teams in the district. It is hard not to pick against them in this district. Now do I think they will cakewalk through the district ... certainly not. But Hebron will not be the same team it was last year, Coppell and Lewisville have new coaches. Marcus and Flower Mound will be improved but the question about those two is basically can they match up nose to nose and from end zone to end zone with a team like Carroll. All that being said, 6-5A isn't the only place where there is decent football being played across the state. I do have both Hebron and Marcus right on the cut line. Lake Highlands... I also put in the same general mix as Marcus and Hebron.. they are right there on the cut line.

As for my Plano ranking.. despite losing Burkhead, they will still be a very dangerous team to deal with. Will they be as good as they were last year.. not by a long shot.

In regards to the MIA accusation handed down by WyPirates03 (who probably has some grudge against me for whatever reason), yes I was gone for much of last season. But it was a personal issue I had to deal with as it was beyond my control. I will not openly discuss that issue in the public domain as it is personal but I will say this.. my health and well-being was severely affected.

And if you have an issue with me personally, I am not hard to find. I don't agree with everything the 5ATF staff has done, including the 4A and Under board, but they do have my respect and they have mine.

[twcpfan1]

Sorry if your hair is bristled.........but no way you studied all these SA and Valley teams and think they will all finish ahead of Arlington Bowie. Of course you are entitled to your predictions, but also expect to have them questioned and or dismissed. That being said............your poll is the weakest of all that I have personally seen published in the state of Texas.
I do indeed hope all of your affairs are well and in order, and would never insult you as a man or your integrity. Don't feel too bad, somebody has to come in last place. Doesn't mean you don't have a right to suit up.

Was that really necessary? I don't think the man is telling any of us not to disagree with his poll. But surely, we can draw the line between disagreeing and being downright insulting. Fact of the matter is, none of us really know how this particular poll compares to this site's or any others. So to say that this one is the worst is totally baseless. There are 200 plus schools in 5a apart from Arlington Bowie. How many of those schools did you do extensive research on to make you qualified to be judge and jury of all Texas polls. I don't think being pissed off at where our school ended up in the rankings is qualification enough.

[E-Vol-ution]

Dude....I'm far from pissed off. I am stating exactly what not only I feel, but what history bears out also. There are no less than seven SA teams in this poll for example..........
It's no small task being in this business..........and I'm not giving out lollipops.
Was that really necessary? I don't think the man is telling any of us not to disagree with his poll. But surely, we can draw the line between disagreeing and being downright insulting. Fact of the matter is, none of us really know how this particular poll compares to this site's or any others. So to say that this one is the worst is totally baseless. There are 200 plus schools in 5a apart from Arlington Bowie. How many of those schools did you do extensive research on to make you qualified to be judge and jury of all Texas polls. I don't think being pissed off at where our school ended up in the rankings is qualification enough.

[HUM398]

Got us some baby mama drama.

[Red Raider Rick]

Pigskin Prep content isn't being given away for free if you subscribe to the old coach you get the pigskin prep rankings but not the other stuff like playoff projected brackets etc.

What is on OC was part of the subscriber package. I realize there is more that came with my subscription. We'll see how it pans out. Not much traffic over there.

[pied]

Ya. They are losing alot of traffic cuz of the 4A and under board that 5A has now.

Yeah, the three active threads (from yesterday)on the 4A and under board have to be killing the traffic over at THSF......

I used to post a ton over there and it was very active, especially the National Board. Some of the posters are over here, but that place is dead......


I had technical issues on the site for awhile and then everyone seemed to stop posting. I see concha is back some, but don't see much of CatFan/JazzyJeff/Lancer over there at all. Cajun and Mr. Clean seem to be around though.

[stinger]

How can they be credible??? They have Trinity with a bye week 0. They arer also way off on a lot of the rankings.

[farmerfan]

Yeah, the three active threads (from yesterday)on the 4A and under board have to be killing the traffic over at THSF......

I used to post a ton over there and it was very active, especially the National Board. Some of the posters are over here, but that place is dead......


I had technical issues on the site for awhile and then everyone seemed to stop posting. I see concha is back some, but don't see much of CatFan/JazzyJeff/Lancer over there at all. Cajun and Mr. Clean seem to be around though.

I wish they would unban Concha over here. I never thought he deserved to be banned or at least for the length he was banned. I always thought Concha was a good poster.

[stinger]

tsk tsk tsk .. where to begin here....

First off, I do not appreciate the amount of disrespect and bashing I have gotten on this thread. I have put months... many days and sleepless nights into my research in preparation of the Pre-Season poll release and the previews in which I am currently working through piece by piece. To have it trashed as it has been here is unfair, uncalled for and an insult to the efforts and amount of work and thought I have put into it.

In response to the Midland ranking above Odessa and Permian.. one of the considerations I had to put in mind was the shift at the head coaching position not only at Permian but at Lubbock Monterey and Midland Lee. When it comes to Odessa High, the role they are playing is completely reversed from last year. Yes, they do have Derrick Teegarden back on top of 14 other starters on both sides of the ball. While I am not counting them out to win the district, as they are probably the favorite to win the district, they do now have a huge target on their back after being the hunters last season to being the hunted this season. How will they respond under even more pressure this season? That question is yet to be seen. Yes. Midland was a very bold selection. But Midland, among the top three or four teams in the race, is probably the most stable team out there as a whole. Furthermore, I think Antwan Goodley is very underrated as a player and the way he progresses week in week out.

As for Southlake Carroll being the only 6-5A team in the statewide Top 40. I do think this is the best team the Dragons have had in the Wasson era. They bring back more than any of the other teams in the district. It is hard not to pick against them in this district. Now do I think they will cakewalk through the district ... certainly not. But Hebron will not be the same team it was last year, Coppell and Lewisville have new coaches. Marcus and Flower Mound will be improved but the question about those two is basically can they match up nose to nose and from end zone to end zone with a team like Carroll. All that being said, 6-5A isn't the only place where there is decent football being played across the state. I do have both Hebron and Marcus right on the cut line. Lake Highlands... I also put in the same general mix as Marcus and Hebron.. they are right there on the cut line.

As for my Plano ranking.. despite losing Burkhead, they will still be a very dangerous team to deal with. Will they be as good as they were last year.. not by a long shot.

In regards to the MIA accusation handed down by WyPirates03 (who probably has some grudge against me for whatever reason), yes I was gone for much of last season. But it was a personal issue I had to deal with as it was beyond my control. I will not openly discuss that issue in the public domain as it is personal but I will say this.. my health and well-being was severely affected.

And if you have an issue with me personally, I am not hard to find. I don't agree with everything the 5ATF staff has done, including the 4A and Under board, but they do have my respect and they have mine.

After all that gobbly-gook...why do you have Trinity with a bye during week 0? Everybody knows they play Bingham, Utah at the new cowboys stadium on Labor Day.

[CaneDadCat5]

Im no longer looking at the polls (Hightower 22?????) its time for the BODIES TO HIT THE FLOOR!!!!

Look again at week 17(Final Poll).

[RedRage00]

The only football sites I really visit are this one and texaaaasports.com

[pied]

I wish they would unban Concha over here. I never thought he deserved to be banned or at least for the length he was banned. I always thought Concha was a good poster.

I wasn't posting over here back then and have only read his stuff after he was gone while doing "research". He is a very good HS poster as is CatFan and several others, who I don't think ever made it over here. THey would be good additions to the Yard as well.

Having read hat concha wrote on here, I doubt he would come back. Yappi's National Board is pretty dead as well. DLS/SLC's decline(I use that word lightly) killed it over there, along with SLCDad and his nutty story.....

[farmerfan]

I wasn't posting over here back then and have only read his stuff after he was gone while doing "research". He is a very good HS poster as is CatFan and several others, who I don't think ever made it over here. THey would be good additions to the Yard as well.

Having read hat concha wrote on here, I doubt he would come back. Yappi's National Board is pretty dead as well. DLS/SLC's decline(I use that word lightly) killed it over there, along with SLCDad and his nutty story.....

I thinhk I read that a few years ago. Something about him having dinenr with a DLS players dad in Chicago or something? I see where he used to be a regular whipping boy on that site and yes Concha was a very knowledgable HS football poster. He was good and the only reason he wasn't liked over here is because he wasn't read yto bow down to Texas being the best at everything in everything

[has09]

After all that gobbly-gook...why do you have Trinity with a bye during week 0? Everybody knows they play Bingham, Utah at the new cowboys stadium on Labor Day.

Um actually Trinity does have a bye in Week 0
The Bingham game is Week 1.

[has09]

What is on OC was part of the subscriber package. I realize there is more that came with my subscription. We'll see how it pans out. Not much traffic over there.

Not much traffic on pigskinprep or TOC? Never visit pigskinprep but DFW, East and West Texas board on TOC is fairly active. Houston is a different story but its tough to have an active board with no writer for the area.

Speaking of inactive TPI is really struggling, AV is doing what he can w/Houston but the rest of that thing has died.

[KattTx]

It's no small task being in this business..........and I'm not giving out lollipops.

:notworthy Thank you! :notworthy

If you wanna take on the bull that is the Texas High School Football rankings game - you should be ready for the horns. :p

[33Blood]

but they do have my respect and they have mine.

I don't understand that. Does that mean it goes double?

[SLC]

Um actually Trinity does have a bye in Week 0
The Bingham game is Week 1.



Thank you...Glad I wasn't the only one who knew that.:D

[E-Vol-ution]

I wasn't going to demean the man for misquoting that one.......but he did leave himself open to a "hit" there.............
I don't understand that. Does that mean it goes double?

[picperp]

It's a poll. people gonna gripe. get used to it.

Now, speaking about Region IV: SA Clark overrated; SA MacArthur overrated; Austin High overrated (15th in regional poll?); Austin Bowie way underrated; SA Madison bit underrated.

BTW Great job on the regional previews and district breakdowns..

[stinger]

Um actually Trinity does have a bye in Week 0
The Bingham game is Week 1.

I guess I am confused on the 0 week..they have three preseason games if I am correct. I have been wrong many times before though.

[has09]

Week 0 Aug 27-29
Week 1 Sep 3-7

[SLC]

I guess I am confused on the 0 week..they have three preseason games if I am correct. I have been wrong many times before though.



They do have 3 pre-season games...0 in week 0, 1 in week 1, 1 in week 2 and 1 in week 3...I believe.

[twcpfan1]

Trinity's pre season schedule

http://www.5atexasfootball.com/schedsresults055a.htm

texashsfootball has it right. You guys are wrong. So you need to look for something else to call him out on.

[stinger]

Trinity's pre season schedule

http://www.5atexasfootball.com/schedsresults055a.htm

texashsfootball has it right. You guys are wrong. So you need to look for something else to call him out on.


It's not "you guys"...I made the mistake by not knowing about week 0. But...there will be other things to call "him" out on....it's the nature of the beast when you have a site. If it's too hot, then get out of the kitchen.:D

[twcpfan1]

It's not "you guys"...I made the mistake by not knowing about week 0. But...there will be other things to call "him" out on....it's the nature of the beast when you have a site. If it's too hot, then get out of the kitchen.:D

It's not the disputing of the rankings I'm referring to. It's others making assumptions that not a lot of hard work went into putting it together and the implication that his administration of his site is a half hearted effort.

There are a lot of question marks I can raise about 5atf's rankings too. But I will never assume that it's due to the lack of diligence.

[bowiedawgs01]

Yeah, I think Bowie should have at least made the Top 15 in Region IV. I won't demand they be in the statewide Top 50 until they do this winning thing a couple more years.

[yallerjacket2]

tsk tsk tsk .. where to begin here....

First off, I do not appreciate the amount of disrespect and bashing I have gotten on this thread. I have put months... many days and sleepless nights into my research in preparation of the Pre-Season poll release and the previews in which I am currently working through piece by piece. To have it trashed as it has been here is unfair, uncalled for and an insult to the efforts and amount of work and thought I have put into it.

In response to the Midland ranking above Odessa and Permian.. one of the considerations I had to put in mind was the shift at the head coaching position not only at Permian but at Lubbock Monterey and Midland Lee. When it comes to Odessa High, the role they are playing is completely reversed from last year. Yes, they do have Derrick Teegarden back on top of 14 other starters on both sides of the ball. While I am not counting them out to win the district, as they are probably the favorite to win the district, they do now have a huge target on their back after being the hunters last season to being the hunted this season. How will they respond under even more pressure this season? That question is yet to be seen. Yes. Midland was a very bold selection. But Midland, among the top three or four teams in the race, is probably the most stable team out there as a whole. Furthermore, I think Antwan Goodley is very underrated as a player and the way he progresses week in week out.

As for Southlake Carroll being the only 6-5A team in the statewide Top 40. I do think this is the best team the Dragons have had in the Wasson era. They bring back more than any of the other teams in the district. It is hard not to pick against them in this district. Now do I think they will cakewalk through the district ... certainly not. But Hebron will not be the same team it was last year, Coppell and Lewisville have new coaches. Marcus and Flower Mound will be improved but the question about those two is basically can they match up nose to nose and from end zone to end zone with a team like Carroll. All that being said, 6-5A isn't the only place where there is decent football being played across the state. I do have both Hebron and Marcus right on the cut line. Lake Highlands... I also put in the same general mix as Marcus and Hebron.. they are right there on the cut line.

As for my Plano ranking.. despite losing Burkhead, they will still be a very dangerous team to deal with. Will they be as good as they were last year.. not by a long shot.

In regards to the MIA accusation handed down by WyPirates03 (who probably has some grudge against me for whatever reason), yes I was gone for much of last season. But it was a personal issue I had to deal with as it was beyond my control. I will not openly discuss that issue in the public domain as it is personal but I will say this.. my health and well-being was severely affected.

And if you have an issue with me personally, I am not hard to find. I don't agree with everything the 5ATF staff has done, including the 4A and Under board, but they do have my respect and they have mine.

Chris, hope you're doing well now and all the bad stuff is behind you. You've always seemed like a great guy and you have a great site. Hopefully everybody will come back and the site can live up to it's potential. I don't fault the KTs for putting up the 4A and under board though. I would like to see ALL the THSF sites succeed.

[TEAMFALCON]

Damn! Los Fresnos se acerca ...Cuidado!!:eek:

I like that poll!

[Red Raider Rick]

I have typically 4 HS sites open at one time. 5A, TOC, TPI and Athletes Connection. I open THSF, Pigskin and Lonestar several time a day, hoping for some activity. I enjoy the content from all of them, but especially like guys that construct an arguement for their rankings. Some of the rankings that are just lists are likely to draw much more fire. On the other hand, if you are trying offer statewide, multiple classification coverage, your opportunity to do any real detailed evaluation is minimal.

It's all good, 'cause it's all HS Football. I just wish more of the sites and the BBS were popping. Local forums have the greatest upside, but none of those TOC or TPI are active.

Oh, I almost forgot....Katy, Katy Katy...:notworthy;)

[SLCDad]

I thinhk I read that a few years ago. Something about him having dinenr with a DLS players dad in Chicago or something? It wasn't the player's dad, it was the DLS player himself. He talks occasionally about the experiences which led to his attendance at DLS. He's in the DLS alumni data base.

[PirateParent2011]

tsk tsk tsk .. where to begin here....

First off, I do not appreciate the amount of disrespect and bashing I have gotten on this thread. I have put months... many days and sleepless nights into my research in preparation of the Pre-Season poll release and the previews in which I am currently working through piece by piece. To have it trashed as it has been here is unfair, uncalled for and an insult to the efforts and amount of work and thought I have put into it.

In response to the Midland ranking above Odessa and Permian.. one of the considerations I had to put in mind was the shift at the head coaching position not only at Permian but at Lubbock Monterey and Midland Lee. When it comes to Odessa High, the role they are playing is completely reversed from last year. Yes, they do have Derrick Teegarden back on top of 14 other starters on both sides of the ball. While I am not counting them out to win the district, as they are probably the favorite to win the district, they do now have a huge target on their back after being the hunters last season to being the hunted this season. How will they respond under even more pressure this season? That question is yet to be seen. Yes. Midland was a very bold selection. But Midland, among the top three or four teams in the race, is probably the most stable team out there as a whole. Furthermore, I think Antwan Goodley is very underrated as a player and the way he progresses week in week out.

As for Southlake Carroll being the only 6-5A team in the statewide Top 40. I do think this is the best team the Dragons have had in the Wasson era. They bring back more than any of the other teams in the district. It is hard not to pick against them in this district. Now do I think they will cakewalk through the district ... certainly not. But Hebron will not be the same team it was last year, Coppell and Lewisville have new coaches. Marcus and Flower Mound will be improved but the question about those two is basically can they match up nose to nose and from end zone to end zone with a team like Carroll. All that being said, 6-5A isn't the only place where there is decent football being played across the state. I do have both Hebron and Marcus right on the cut line. Lake Highlands... I also put in the same general mix as Marcus and Hebron.. they are right there on the cut line.

As for my Plano ranking.. despite losing Burkhead, they will still be a very dangerous team to deal with. Will they be as good as they were last year.. not by a long shot.

In regards to the MIA accusation handed down by WyPirates03 (who probably has some grudge against me for whatever reason), yes I was gone for much of last season. But it was a personal issue I had to deal with as it was beyond my control. I will not openly discuss that issue in the public domain as it is personal but I will say this.. my health and well-being was severely affected.

And if you have an issue with me personally, I am not hard to find. I don't agree with everything the 5ATF staff has done, including the 4A and Under board, but they do have my respect and they have mine.

Just curious on your reasoning for not ranking Wylie in the top 40?

[CoveMom]

Just curious on your reasoning for not ranking Wylie in the top 40?

this.

[pied]

It wasn't the player's dad, it was the DLS player himself. He talks occasionally about the experiences which led to his attendance at DLS. He's in the DLS alumni data base.

Here's the brief story:

*SLCDad, claims to have talked to a former DLS player
*He was visiting some relatives in the Concord area from Nebraska
*Coach Lad saw him an invited him to a football camp for free
*After the camp invited him to play at DLS, free tuition/room/board
*He played during the streak and with Amani Toomer

Many questions surrounded some of the reported facts.
*SLCDad posted the name, but then "retracted" it
*Some archived the posts
*SLCDad offered to "prove" it to another poster, but refused to do it publically so the DLS guy refused the offer
*SLCDad asked for the roster to be posted, but refused to post what years he was there
*Since he had claimed to have played with Toomer, and since the streak began the season after he left, it was easy to deduce the years he was there
*ne of the DLS posters had the rosters, but refused to post them without SLCDad clarifying the year
*He suspected that e might see a similar name and claim it to be the guy

sooooooo

*He got one of the rosters, and changed a name to amke it close to the one SLCDad had originially posted.
*SLCDad was giddy with excitement and then everyone had a laugh at his expense
*SLCDad then talked to the guy and clarified that there was a perfectly reasonable explanation and that he was on the list


That's that

[Wypirates03]

nm

[has09]

I have typically 4 HS sites open at one time. 5A, TOC, TPI and Athletes Connection. I open THSF, Pigskin and Lonestar several time a day, hoping for some activity. I enjoy the content from all of them, but especially like guys that construct an arguement for their rankings. Some of the rankings that are just lists are likely to draw much more fire. On the other hand, if you are trying offer statewide, multiple classification coverage, your opportunity to do any real detailed evaluation is minimal.

It's all good, 'cause it's all HS Football. I just wish more of the sites and the BBS were popping. Local forums have the greatest upside, but none of those TOC or TPI are active.

Oh, I almost forgot....Katy, Katy Katy...:notworthy;)

Local and niche forums tend to have the most activity. 5ATF and 3A Down Low are HIGHLY active boards.

This is the only board I actually post on because it fits the niche I enjoy the most. The only site I'd subscribe to now is TOC because since my team is in a DFW district I get the most bang for my buck there. I used to subscribe to TPI but since there's no DFW coverage its not worth my money.

My dream site would be this:

Message Board: 5ATF and 3ADL
Content TOC for DFW, TPI/AC for Houston (other parts of the state ehh just fill in)
Recruiting: TOC/Rivals
Game Videos: PrepTicket
Audio: TOC (love the stuff they do for DFW)
Game Pictures: AC and Prepticket

So KT's make that happen and have some conglomerate of supersites.

[Wypirates03]

My beef is I am looking at content I just paid for, now being given away for free and at this stage is not a well prepared as I was lead to believe.

***Edit: I got TexasHSFootball site, mixed up with Pigskin Prep whose content was posted for free on The Old Coach today***

Apologies to TexasHSFootball...

You are 100% wrong.

Pigskin prep rankings are only given if you subscribe to theoldcoach. Theoldcoach.com gives their preseason rankings for free. Jerry's rankings are for subscribed members only on TOC.

[has09]

From what I understand (I asked someone who works for TOC) The Old Coach Rankings are seperate from Jerry's Rankings (Pigskin Prep).
As a service to TOC subscribers you get Jerry's rankings with your subscription as a bonus.
TOC Official Rankings will be a combination of Jerry's, Stepp's and Diggs. Those will be free and released in about 100 newspapers statewide.

[Wypirates03]

From what I understand (I asked someone who works for TOC) The Old Coach Rankings are seperate from Jerry's Rankings (Pigskin Prep).
As a service to TOC subscribers you get Jerry's rankings with your subscription as a bonus.
TOC Official Rankings will be a combination of Jerry's, Stepp's and Diggs. Those will be free and released in about 100 newspapers statewide.

Yup, you got it!

[SWMHebron]

From what I understand (I asked someone who works for TOC) The Old Coach Rankings are seperate from Jerry's Rankings (Pigskin Prep).
As a service to TOC subscribers you get Jerry's rankings with your subscription as a bonus.
TOC Official Rankings will be a combination of Jerry's, Stepp's and Diggs. Those will be free and released in about 100 newspapers statewide.

Too complicated, and rankings are irrelevant. Why do I need to look at even more? I'll stick with here.

[has09]

rankings are what makes message boards fun! I love to see different rankings and see what people think its what makes football such a blast. For 5A this site's rankings are right up there, but I enjoy expanding my horizons and checking out 4A, 3A and 2A as well.

To be honest a good 3A and 4A playoff game can be more fun than a lot of 5A playoff games

[Wypirates03]

rankings are what makes message boards fun! I love to see different rankings and see what people think its what makes football such a blast. For 5A this site's rankings are right up there, but I enjoy expanding my horizons and checking out 4A, 3A and 2A as well.

To be honest a good 3A and 4A playoff game can be more fun than a lot of 5A playoff games

I went to a couple 3A playoff games last year, and they were a blast.

[has09]

There's something about a small town game where the whole town shows up. It's really what Texas HS Football is, not the big giant mega suburban schools.

[judrok1]

San Antonio Clark belongs at #10...they earned it...

Sorry, I just don't understand what this means. If a team does really well one year, do they automatically "earn" a high preseason ranking? So can we take the list of teams that made it to the quarters last year and SHAZAAM we have our preseason top 8?

I like Clark and what they did last year. But you have to be playing at that level for more than just 1 season before I start making automatic preseason assumptions.

They have some quality kids coming back, but they also have some BIG holes to fill. They have 1 LB and 1 DL returning. I have no idea how much playing time the 21 lettermen received last year; Clark had a number of close games during the regular season. Any idea how their JV did?

[SLC]

rankings are what makes message boards fun! I love to see different rankings and see what people think its what makes football such a blast. For 5A this site's rankings are right up there, but I enjoy expanding my horizons and checking out 4A, 3A and 2A as well.

To be honest a good 3A and 4A playoff game can be more fun than a lot of 5A playoff games


I agree with all this...100%.

[judrok1]

SA Mac in the top 40???? Thet return 9 starters, 22 lettermen from a 5-5 team. 26 5A is so tough I don't htink they will make the playoffs. Thet return 4 on a defense that at times was pourous. I think Madison and SV will eat them alive (Madison quickly, SV methodical and slowly). Reagan returns only 21 less starter and NB has 10 back, including 7 on offense froma team that beat Mac. Roosevelt has 12 starters (8 on offense) coming back...

I think Mac is a dark horse for making the playoffs in 26 5A, battling NB and Reagan for the last spot.

I do not think they are a top 40 team.

[judrok1]

Sorry for the typo....Reagan returns only "1" less starter.....

[Red Raider Rick]

You are 100% wrong.

Pigskin prep rankings are only given if you subscribe to theoldcoach. Theoldcoach.com gives their preseason rankings for free. Jerry's rankings are for subscribed members only on TOC.

Lighten up francis...

So are you saying I didn't need to subscribe to Pigskin since I am already a subscriber to TOC or is that the only content Pigskin releases to TOC subscribers?

The fact is, I paid for and received the Pigskin info on the Pigskin site and then saw the same information reformatted with my TOC subscription. If this pattern is repeated, than I want my Pigskin money back. If it was just a promotional release to get PP more subscribers, I'm ok with that.

[WildcatFan2]

Not having Wylie ranked in this poll is like not having Plano ranked in the 5ATX poll ;)

I do believe Both should be in the top 40, but Plano at 6? no, no, no. They do have speed and weapons on offense, but they lost a lot in the O-line and are pretty small.

[kbarj]

Sorry, I just don't understand what this means. If a team does really well one year, do they automatically "earn" a high preseason ranking? So can we take the list of teams that made it to the quarters last year and SHAZAAM we have our preseason top 8?

I like Clark and what they did last year. But you have to be playing at that level for more than just 1 season before I start making automatic preseason assumptions.

They have some quality kids coming back, but they also have some BIG holes to fill. They have 1 LB and 1 DL returning. I have no idea how much playing time the 21 lettermen received last year; Clark had a number of close games during the regular season. Any idea how their JV did?

I agree that they have some big holes to fill, but I don't know if your numbers are correct, I can think of 2 returning DLs right off the bat. I know the LB core will be solid and their JV went 9-1. Most of the returning lettermen got some decent playing time last year. While I believe they've got some quality talent filling the slots vacated by the graduating seniors, I don't know if they quite deserve the #10 position. I am more comfortable with the #16 or even the #25 rankings that they got on other polls. Before they get this kind of ranking, I think they need to prove themselves as a program with a few more deep runs.

Having said all that, I hope Clark does as well as this poll has them listed, or (preferably) better.

[Wypirates03]

Lighten up francis...

So are you saying I didn't need to subscribe to Pigskin since I am already a subscriber to TOC or is that the only content Pigskin releases to TOC subscribers?

The fact is, I paid for and received the Pigskin info on the Pigskin site and then saw the same information reformatted with my TOC subscription. If this pattern is repeated, than I want my Pigskin money back. If it was just a promotional release to get PP more subscribers, I'm ok with that.

Every week, Jerry releases his rankings on both TOC and Pigskin Prep. If you only subscribe to Pigskin prep for his rankings, then it probably isn't necessary to subscribe over there. That's how they did it last year, with the Matts back, not sure if they are going to post Jerry's rankings every week this year.

[Bottomline]

OMG ! :eek: .... A 5th grade class drawing teams out of hat would've done much better ! :laugh

[has09]

Looks like Pigskin Prep rankings are also on TPI! Interesting!

[allendad]

August 30th could bring a lot of changes to this
list of rankings.

I is sweet to see my EAGLES hangin'
there at #2 . . . . . .

But not seein RRsTp right behind OR in front of us
gives me pause . . . . . . .

I appreciate everybody's opinions about the up coming
season, but let's just see what happens.


8-5A Predictions
Allen
Plano
PESH
Wylie

Wouldn't that be a kicker? ? ! ! !


I think JESUIT will take the whole enchilada:eek::eek:



.

[ktchamp97]

The 4A and under board was created simply to give those folks who were already on our site a place to discuss the other teams in other classifications that they're interested in following. In that respect, it's no different than the NFL and College Football boards. We don't actively "cover" the NFL or College Football, just as we don't cover any other class besides 5A...Lord knows, we have a long way to go as it is...but, we are interested in having a dedicated place for ourselves and our members to discuss those leagues without clogging up our main board. The 4A and under board is actually more relevant to our site because we have fans that have been on our site for years whose teams were recently bumped down to 4A...we also have fans of 4A teams that will soon move up to 5A. I really can't believe it's an issue with anyone. People on this site had a demand for it and we simply met that demand.

As far as Chris' rankings, the one thing I will never question is his work ethic. Chris puts in a ton of work and he always has. You may disagree with the conclusions he comes to, but there's no need to go beyond that.

[SWMHebron]

The 4A and under board was created simply to give those folks who were already on our site a place to discuss the other teams in other classifications that they're interested in following. In that respect, it's no different than the NFL and College Football boards. We don't actively "cover" the NFL or College Football, just as we don't cover any other class besides 5A...Lord knows, we have a long way to go as it is...but, we are interested in having a dedicated place for ourselves and our members to discuss those leagues without clogging up our main board. The 4A and under board is actually more relevant to our site because we have fans that have been on our site for years whose teams were recently bumped down to 4A...we also have fans of 4A teams that will soon move up to 5A. I really can't believe it's an issue with anyone. People on this site had a demand for it and we simply met that demand.

As far as Chris' rankings, the one thing I will never question is his work ethic. Chris puts in a ton of work and he always has. You may disagree with the conclusions he comes to, but there's no need to go beyond that.

This would be me. I will follow it because it's here, but wouldn't go off looking for it somewhere else.

[jc84chill]

The 4A and under board was created simply to give those folks who were already on our site a place to discuss the other teams in other classifications that they're interested in following. In that respect, it's no different than the NFL and College Football boards. We don't actively "cover" the NFL or College Football, just as we don't cover any other class besides 5A...Lord knows, we have a long way to go as it is...but, we are interested in having a dedicated place for ourselves and our members to discuss those leagues without clogging up our main board. The 4A and under board is actually more relevant to our site because we have fans that have been on our site for years whose teams were recently bumped down to 4A...we also have fans of 4A teams that will soon move up to 5A. I really can't believe it's an issue with anyone. People on this site had a demand for it and we simply met that demand.

As far as Chris' rankings, the one thing I will never question is his work ethic. Chris puts in a ton of work and he always has. You may disagree with the conclusions he comes to, but there's no need to go beyond that.

I've already addressed this one behind the scenes.

[KLH75287]

http://www.texashsfootball.com/rankings/2009/preseason5a.htm

Thoughts?

Who's hat did they use to pick the names from?

[LittleSouthwestConference]

Midland High will be without the services of their top returning defensive lineman- http://www.mywesttexas.com/articles/2009/08/09/sports/top_stories/doc4a7e5699cf025449670143.txt


tsk tsk tsk .. where to begin here....

First off, I do not appreciate the amount of disrespect and bashing I have gotten on this thread. I have put months... many days and sleepless nights into my research in preparation of the Pre-Season poll release and the previews in which I am currently working through piece by piece. To have it trashed as it has been here is unfair, uncalled for and an insult to the efforts and amount of work and thought I have put into it.

In response to the Midland ranking above Odessa and Permian.. one of the considerations I had to put in mind was the shift at the head coaching position not only at Permian but at Lubbock Monterey and Midland Lee. When it comes to Odessa High, the role they are playing is completely reversed from last year. Yes, they do have Derrick Teegarden back on top of 14 other starters on both sides of the ball. While I am not counting them out to win the district, as they are probably the favorite to win the district, they do now have a huge target on their back after being the hunters last season to being the hunted this season. How will they respond under even more pressure this season? That question is yet to be seen. Yes. Midland was a very bold selection. But Midland, among the top three or four teams in the race, is probably the most stable team out there as a whole. Furthermore, I think Antwan Goodley is very underrated as a player and the way he progresses week in week out.

As for Southlake Carroll being the only 6-5A team in the statewide Top 40. I do think this is the best team the Dragons have had in the Wasson era. They bring back more than any of the other teams in the district. It is hard not to pick against them in this district. Now do I think they will cakewalk through the district ... certainly not. But Hebron will not be the same team it was last year, Coppell and Lewisville have new coaches. Marcus and Flower Mound will be improved but the question about those two is basically can they match up nose to nose and from end zone to end zone with a team like Carroll. All that being said, 6-5A isn't the only place where there is decent football being played across the state. I do have both Hebron and Marcus right on the cut line. Lake Highlands... I also put in the same general mix as Marcus and Hebron.. they are right there on the cut line.

As for my Plano ranking.. despite losing Burkhead, they will still be a very dangerous team to deal with. Will they be as good as they were last year.. not by a long shot.

In regards to the MIA accusation handed down by WyPirates03 (who probably has some grudge against me for whatever reason), yes I was gone for much of last season. But it was a personal issue I had to deal with as it was beyond my control. I will not openly discuss that issue in the public domain as it is personal but I will say this.. my health and well-being was severely affected.

And if you have an issue with me personally, I am not hard to find. I don't agree with everything the 5ATF staff has done, including the 4A and Under board, but they do have my respect and they have mine.

[Vols4Ever]

Midland High will be without the services of their top returning defensive lineman- http://www.mywesttexas.com/articles/2009/08/09/sports/top_stories/doc4a7e5699cf025449670143.txt

Man -- I missed a good thread!