Top Jobs In TEXAS

[onevision]

I think these are the places i would want to be the head man at. They offer athletes, facilities, community support or all of the above.....

John Tyler
Texas High
DeSoto
Cedar Hill
Carter
Katy
South Grand Prairie
Garland
Lufkin
Skyline
Lancaster
Mesquite Horn
North Mesquite
South Oak Cliff
Ennis
Corsicana
Waco
Trinity
SLC
North Shore
Allen
Plano East has potential....
The Woodlands
Lake Highlands
Arlington Bowie
Arlington Sam Houston
Duncanville
Irving Mac
Aldine Eisenhower
Aldine Nimitz
Aldine
Kilgore

[TheBigPeach]

Permian or Midland Lee also

[Empire strikes back]

Permian or Midland Lee also


I have to agree. :notworthy

[grayowl60]

I think these are the places i would want to be the head man at. They offer athletes, facilities, community support or all of the above.....

John Tyler
Texas High
DeSoto
Cedar Hill
Carter
Katy
South Grand Prairie
Garland
Lufkin
Skyline
Lancaster
Mesquite Horn
North Mesquite
South Oak Cliff
Ennis
Corsicana
Waco
Trinity
SLC
North Shore
Allen
Plano East has potential....
The Woodlands
Lake Highlands
Arlington Bowie
Arlington Sam Houston
Duncanville
Irving Mac
Aldine Eisenhower
Aldine Nimitz
Aldine
Kilgore
WHAT? No....woops never mind;)

[Maroondog]

I'd want the Garland job.

[JagFan]

Any of the Lewisville ISD schools. Flower Mound, FM Marcus, Lewisville, Hebron, or the Colony.

Great community support as well as good athletes with a hard work ethic.

[33Blood]

I will agree Permian is one of the top jobs in prestige and notoriety. But I can't think of a more double edged job out there. Guys that win there don't even stay very long.

[BlackAttack]

I will agree Permian is one of the top jobs in prestige and notoriety. But I can't think of a more double edged job out there. Guys that win there don't even stay very long.

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John Wilkins was at Permian 13 years before becoming AD for the school district. Was there a coach at Permian who was fired after having major success that I haven't heard about?

[ftballin11]

I think these are the places i would want to be the head man at. They offer athletes, facilities, community support or all of the above.....

John Tyler
Texas High
DeSoto
Cedar Hill
Carter
Katy
South Grand Prairie
Garland
Lufkin
Skyline
Lancaster
Mesquite Horn
North Mesquite
South Oak Cliff
Ennis
Corsicana
Waco
Trinity
SLC
North Shore
Allen
Plano East has potential....
The Woodlands
Lake Highlands
Arlington Bowie
Arlington Sam Houston
Duncanville
Irving Mac
Aldine Eisenhower
Aldine Nimitz
Aldine
Kilgore

Talent yes. Community support not so much. I think there were maybe 100 fans in the stands during there playoff game that I saw. It was sad.

[33Blood]

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John Wilkins was at Permian 13 years before becoming AD for the school district. Was there a coach at Permian who was fired after having major success that I haven't heard about?

I didn't say they were fired. And Wilkins is the only guy that has been there more than 6 years since forever. The average is probably about 4 with several only being there 2 or 3.

[E-Vol-ution]

What game was that? Definitely not the Mansfield game. Talent yes. Community support not so much. I think there were maybe 100 fans in the stands during there playoff game that I saw. It was sad.

[ftballin11]

What game was that? Definitely not the Mansfield game.

06'. It was in Midland, so there was a travel. But Amarillo made the trip, not sure why a undefeated team like Chill had such a bad showing(fans)?

[E-Vol-ution]

Maybe that '06 success brought about the change. Last year's crowds did not reflect that. They have a decent fan base........not overflowing, but respectable. Small compared to SLC of course.....but they filled their side at Texas Stadium for the most part when I saw them.
06'. It was in Midland, so there was a travel. But Amarillo made the trip, not sure why a undefeated team like Chill had such a bad showing(fans)?

[ftballin11]

I'd have to say

Plano
Woodz
Allen.

All three have endless resouces, great community support, and a plethora of talent to choose from with such big enrollments.

I think Allen is headed in the right direction. I want to see what Plano does without Burkhead next year, and if Woodz can reload after a senior dominated team.

[ftballin11]

Maybe that '06 success brought about the change. Last year's crowds did not reflect that. They have a decent fan base........not overflowing, but respectable. Small compared to SLC of course.....but they filled their side at Texas Stadium for the most part when I saw them.


You may be right. It was the only time that I had seen them and I have only seen one game where there have been less fans in the stands and that was becuase it was raining.

[E-Vol-ution]

Yeah...they've changed since then. Success breeds that most of the time, you know everybody loves a winner. Unfortunate as that may sound.
You may be right. It was the only time that I had seen them and I have only seen one game where there have been less fans in the stands and that was becuase it was raining.

[HUM398]

I think these are the places i would want to be the head man at. They offer athletes, facilities, community support or all of the above.....

John Tyler
Texas High
DeSoto
Cedar Hill
Carter
Katy
South Grand Prairie
Garland
Lufkin
Skyline
Lancaster
Mesquite Horn
North Mesquite
South Oak Cliff
Ennis
Corsicana
Waco
Trinity
SLC
North Shore
Allen
Plano East has potential....
The Woodlands
Lake Highlands
Arlington Bowie
Arlington Sam Houston
Duncanville
Irving Mac
Aldine Eisenhower
Aldine Nimitz
Aldine
Kilgore


The Aldine schools...and not one mention of any of the Humble ISD schools...

Humble:
Community=C-
Facilities= B
Athletes=A+

Atascocita:
Community=B
Facilities= A
Athletes=B+

Kingwood:
Community=A
Facilities=B
Athletes=B-

In comparison to the aldine schools

Aldine:
Community- C
Facilties-C
Athletes-A

Nimitz:
Community-C
Facilities- C
Athletes=A+

IKE:
Community-B
Facilities-C
Athletes-A+

[BlackAttack]

I didn't say they were fired. And Wilkins is the only guy that has been there more than 6 years since forever. The average is probably about 4 with several only being there 2 or 3.

Well, your point wouldn't have merit unless they had been successful, but got fired anyway. Correct?

The others have moved on because they got what they felt were better offers. Gaines and Hollingshed left for college jobs, and Allman left because he was offered the top salary in the state of Texas, and perks galore. So what is your point exactly?

[33Blood]

Well, your point wouldn't have merit unless they had been successful, but got fired anyway. Correct?

The others have moved on because they got what they felt were better offers. Gaines and Hollingshed left for college jobs, and Allman left because he was offered the top salary in the state of Texas, and perks galore. So what is your point exactly?

You would have to ask all the guys that left with a lie detector attached to them to know for sure. But from what I have observed there is more pressure on the coach there than just about anywhere. So even a guy that wins state might jump ship knowing that it won't get any better and leaving at the top is better than getting fired. Not everyone everytime everywhere takes the money or jumps to the next level, but there has to be a reason they do at OP. My guess, it is the pressure. But that is also what has made them unique in that their success can not be tied to one coach or even a couple, as many schools have been.

[ROD LEE]

I think these are the places i would want to be the head man at. They offer athletes, facilities, community support or all of the above.....

John Tyler
Texas High
DeSoto
Cedar Hill
Carter
Katy
South Grand Prairie
Garland
Lufkin
Skyline
Lancaster
Mesquite Horn
North Mesquite
South Oak Cliff
Ennis
Corsicana
Waco
Trinity
SLC
North Shore
Allen
Plano East has potential....
The Woodlands
Lake Highlands
Arlington Bowie
Arlington Sam Houston
Duncanville
Irving Mac
Aldine Eisenhower
Aldine Nimitz
Aldine
KilgoreThis is a tough one. The athletes are there but they aren't playing. Most of the starters JT has fielded over the years would be 3rd or 2nd stringers at best if the talent that roams the hallways were tapped. I have a neighbor that has never been approached by any coach at any level with an offer to join the program. He's now 14 and close to 6'0 tall with a juvy record that's 4 years long.

[Bill4par]

From your list I can confirm because I have seen them

Allen - better than Valley Ranch
Duncanville- everything you could want
DeSoto - 1st class facility
Trinity Great stadium,great facilities
SLC Nice, neat, top shelf

[BlackAttack]

You would have to ask all the guys that left with a lie detector attached to them to know for sure. But from what I have observed there is more pressure on the coach there than just about anywhere. So even a guy that wins state might jump ship knowing that it won't get any better and leaving at the top is better than getting fired. Not everyone everytime everywhere takes the money or jumps to the next level, but there has to be a reason they do at OP. My guess, it is the pressure. But that is also what has made them unique in that their success can not be tied to one coach or even a couple, as many schools have been.


I guess I could ask Gaines, since there was so much unbearable pressure, he came back. :rolleyes:

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

This is a tough one. The athletes are there but they aren't playing. Most of the starters JT has fielded over the years would be 3rd or 2nd stringers at best if the talent that roams the hallways were tapped. I have a neighbor that has never been approached by any coach at any level with an offer to join the program. He's now 14 and close to 6'0 tall with a juvy record that's 4 years long.

Man, that's a sad deal!

Things haven't been the same since Coach Wilson left, and came to the Metroplex.

[onevision]

This is a tough one. The athletes are there but they aren't playing. Most of the starters JT has fielded over the years would be 3rd or 2nd stringers at best if the talent that roams the hallways were tapped. I have a neighbor that has never been approached by any coach at any level with an offer to join the program. He's now 14 and close to 6'0 tall with a juvy record that's 4 years long.

Thats the point. I have family in Tyler... So I know its some "goons" in the hallways at the high school. A good coach knows he has to get the "bodies" out the halls and put pads on them. And the 14 year old would be under my wing and I would see whats inside him. Thats the Reginald Samples approach....

[33Blood]

I guess I could ask Gaines, since there was so much unbearable pressure, he came back. :rolleyes:

Unless he plans on pulling a GA I don't think he intends on being there that long going in.

[BlackAttack]

Unless he plans on pulling a GA I don't think he intends on being there that long going in.

Just where are you getting your info from? Or is it just speculation based on urban myths and old wives tales?

[ROD LEE]

Man, that's a sad deal!

Things haven't been the same since Coach Wilson left, and came to the Metroplex.Wilson's departure took a toll on the program and it left many JT followers with questions concerning the future of the program. Rush has restored some hope but he still has some stones unturned. I'm positive my neighbor will be OK, he's back in school and doing well. I'm begging him to go to a coach and inlist but he keeps avoiding it. I'm just happy he's in school.

[33Blood]

Just where are you getting your info from? Or is it just speculation based on urban myths and old wives tales?

What info? That OP has not had but 1 coach stay more than 6 years. I believe that would be public record. Gary Gaines is 60, and how many high school coaches do you know that are older than 66? I believe that is fact. So any wives tales or myths must be coming from you.

[BlackAttack]

What info? That OP has not had but 1 coach stay more than 6 years. I believe that would be public record. Gary Gaines is 60, and how many high school coaches do you know that are older than 66? I believe that is fact. So any wives tales or myths must be coming from you.


Well I'm glad to know the expert on all things Odessa and Permian resides in Corsicana. :rolleyes:

Fact is you're taking a bunch of unrelated info and drawing some erroneous conclusions in an attempt to support your ill-conceived original post. Again, please answer the question.....if the pressure is so great, why would Gary Gaines return to coach at Permian? He didn't need the job, as he already had one with the Lubbock ISD. It wasn't for the money, as he took a slight pay cut to come back to Permian. So why would an intelligent man like Gaines come back to a place that, according to your original post, runs off even the successful coaches? I can't wait to read this one. :D

[33Blood]

Well I'm glad to know the expert on all things Odessa and Permian resides in Corsicana. :rolleyes:

Fact is you're taking a bunch of unrelated info and drawing some erroneous conclusions in an attempt to support your ill-conceived original post. Again, please answer the question.....if the pressure is so great, why would Gary Gaines return to coach at Permian? He didn't need the job, as he already had one with the Lubbock ISD. It wasn't for the money, as he took a slight pay cut to come back to Permian. So why would an intelligent man like Gaines come back to a place that, according to your original post, runs off even the successful coaches? I can't wait to read this one. :D

I don't really see what Gary Gaines has to do with anything other than being there for 4 years in the 80's. Do you think that he is coming back to coach the next 20 years? Is he coming back at a time when the program is down and in need of rebuilding or are they on the way up? I guess no coach ever wanted to leave and the community never wanted any coach to leave it's all love and home baked cookies.

[JBT]

I think I'd rather coach at one of the Cy schools before an Aldine school. Aldine facilities are not good at all.

[BlackAttack]

I don't really see what Gary Gaines has to do with anything other than being there for 4 years in the 80's. Do you think that he is coming back to coach the next 20 years? Is he coming back at a time when the program is down and in need of rebuilding or are they on the way up? I guess no coach ever wanted to leave and the community never wanted any coach to leave it's all love and home baked cookies.


Gaines has as much to do with your idiotic post as any other coach. The fact that Gaines came back to permian blows your assertion right out of the water. Your speculation about how long Gaines will or will not stay does nothing to support your original post, which implied that even the successful coaches get railroaded out of town at Permian. In fact, your speculation about how long Gaines will stay this time defeats your original post. You said he wouldn't stay long because he's getting old. NOT because the unbearable pressure would force him to leave. Could it be perhaps the coaches who leave Permian, or any other program after having success, are leaving for other reasons? Maybe they were young, upwardly mobile coaches who, by the grace of the fact that they had lots of success, were offered the opportunity to better themselves? I realize that doesn't fit into your "I read Friday Night Lights so I know everything there is to know about the deal" logic, but maybe you simply don't know as much about it as you think.

And you still haven't answered the question. If the pressure at Permian is so rough, why did Gaines come back? After all, he had For Sale signs punched into his yard after losses, remember? He had all those mean Permian fans calling for his head on a daily basis, in spite of the fact he was winning. So, why on earth would an intelligent man who wasn't even looking for a job come back to such a terrible place?

[KT2000]

Westlake

[Wypirates03]

As a homer pick... I'd say Wylie would be a good job to be HC at.

Facilities are great, fan support is top notch, and they do produce some athletes... but with the arrival of Wylie East, we'll have to see how the athlete production is over the next couple years for Wylie High.

[33Blood]

successful coaches get railroaded out of town at Permian.

Show me where I said that?

[BlackAttack]

Show me where I said that?

If you weren't trying to say that with your original post, then what exactly were you trying to say? And why do you keep dodging my question?

[33Blood]

If you weren't trying to say that with your original post, then what exactly were you trying to say? And why do you keep dodging my question?

What question exactly am I dodging? I said exactly what I meant, even coaches that win have left OP after a short amount of time. That is a fact. I did not ever say nor infer that they were railroaded. If you comprehended something else then that would be upon you.

[BlackAttack]

What question exactly am I dodging? I said exactly what I meant, even coaches that win have left OP after a short amount of time. That is a fact. I did not ever say nor infer that they were railroaded. If you comprehended something else then that would be upon you.

The question about Gaines. Again, if the pressure is SO great that even successful coaches leave, then why would Gaines come back? You don't answer it because you know that it blows your argument out of the water.

[LittleSouthwestConference]

What question exactly am I dodging? I said exactly what I meant, even coaches that win have left OP after a short amount of time. That is a fact. I did not ever say nor infer that they were railroaded. If you comprehended something else then that would be upon you.

Count me in as not understanding where you're coming from on this. You mean, successful coaches at Permian get offers to better themselves, move up the coaching ladder, etc. and they sometimes take those offers? Holy Moly, there must be some kind of scandal!

Is Permian the only school where a successful coach has left after 3 or 4 years?

[33Blood]

The question about Gaines. Again, if the pressure is SO great that even successful coaches leave, then why would Gaines come back? You don't answer it because you know that it blows your argument out of the water.

Did you not read? If he was 30 and not 60 I am not sure he would be back. If OP was 4-6 last year instead of 12-1 I am not sure he would be back. You see his career is in it's twilight and he won't be there that long no matter what. Allman has them back in good shape after his 4 years.

[F18mustang]

Count me in as not understanding where you're coming from on this. You mean, successful coaches at Permian get offers to better themselves, move up the coaching ladder, etc. and they sometimes take those offers? Holy Moly, there must be some kind of scandal!

Is Permian the only school where a successful coach has left after 3 or 4 years?

Id like to think of Permian as sort of a Launching pad for coaches....

Who knew who Darren Allman was before Permian?

[Wypirates03]

Id like to think of Permian as sort of a Launching pad for coaches....

Who knew who Darren Allman was before Permian?

Not me before I looked it up. From mojoland.com

Darren Allman
A 1987 graduate and former player, Darren Allman was a sophomore when the Panthers won the 1984 Class 5A State Championship. Allman was a junior when the team reached the state finals in 1985. He shares the school record for interceptions in a single game with four in 1986. A decade later, Allman would spend eight seasons coaching at Brownwood, one year at Temple, and one year at Highland Park. In February 2005, he was named as Permian's 11th football coach. After reaching the third round of the playoffs in '06, '07, and '08, Allman left Permian for Austin Westlake.

And that is a pretty solid coaching resume top to bottom!

[33Blood]

Id like to think of Permian as sort of a Launching pad for coaches

It has been. But really you can't say any High School job is a move up from there other than maybe in pay. And again that is what makes OP so unique, they have won with so many coaches. You look at SLC, Katy, Celina and many other programs and most of their success was with 1 or 2 great coaches.

[F18mustang]

It has been. But really you can't say any High School job is a move up from there other than maybe in pay. And again that is what makes OP so unique, they have won with so many coaches. You look at SLC, Katy, Celina and many other programs and most of their success was with 1 or 2 great coaches.

Says a lot about the overall tradition, talent, and fan base of Mojo...

[LittleSouthwestConference]

A look at the successful (i.e. state championships) coaches at Permian

Gene Mayfield- 6 years, accepted an offer from a college
Gil Bartosh- 2 years, accepted an offer from a college
John Wilkins- 13 years, moved up to athletic director
Gary Gaines- 4 years, accepted an offere from a college, came back to Odessa in 2009
Tam Hollingshead- 4 years, accepted an offer from a college

I'm not sure what the pattern is supposed to be? I doubt any of these men were afraid of "pressure".

Now let's look at some of the other jobs they have held. Hollingshead, for example, was at Texas A and M for quite a few years, then got back into high school coaching at temple. I believe he was there 2-3 years, then went to Rockwall heath for 2 years or so. So he was at Permian longer than either of the other two high school jobs. What does that prove?

Gaines has had several coaching jobs over the years, and I'd be willing to bet that none lasted longer than the 4 years he was at Permian. So again, what does that prove?

I think 33Blood needs to think before he types.

[LittleSouthwestConference]

It has been. But really you can't say any High School job is a move up from there other than maybe in pay. And again that is what makes OP so unique, they have won with so many coaches. You look at SLC, Katy, Celina and many other programs and most of their success was with 1 or 2 great coaches.

Sure you can. Any place that has only one high school, for example SLC, or Austin Westlake, would be the ultimate step up as far as high schools are concerned.

[BlackAttack]

i think 33blood needs to think before he types.

+1

[33Blood]

A look at the successful (i.e. state championships) coaches at Permian

Gene Mayfield- 6 years, accepted an offer from a college
Gil Bartosh- 2 years, accepted an offer from a college
John Wilkins- 13 years, moved up to athletic director
Gary Gaines- 4 years, accepted an offere from a college, came back to Odessa in 2009
Tam Hollingshead- 4 years, accepted an offer from a college

I'm not sure what the pattern is supposed to be? I doubt any of these men were afraid of "pressure".

Now let's look at some of the other jobs they have held. Hollingshead, for example, was at Texas A and M for quite a few years, then got back into high school coaching at temple. I believe he was there 2-3 years, then went to Rockwall heath for 2 years or so. So he was at Permian longer than either of the other two high school jobs. What does that prove?

Gaines has had several coaching jobs over the years, and I'd be willing to bet that none lasted longer than the 4 years he was at Permian. So again, what does that prove?

I think 33Blood needs to think before he types.

I have thought about and watched this for years. Do you not think that other coaches get offers but choose to stay with a program? I know of several that have gotten and get offers on an annual basis but choose to stay where they are. Some places if you win a championship you could probably retire on that if you were mediocre from then on. At OP how many years do you think that would buy you?

[BlackAttack]

It has been. But really you can't say any High School job is a move up from there other than maybe in pay. And again that is what makes OP so unique, they have won with so many coaches. You look at SLC, Katy, Celina and many other programs and most of their success was with 1 or 2 great coaches.

Other than Allman, all the other coaches mentioned earlier didn't leave for high schools. They left for college jobs. Oh, and because of the crushing pressure that exists at Permian and only at Permian, of course. :rolleyes:

[LittleSouthwestConference]

I have thought about and watched this for years. Do you not think that other coaches get offers but choose to stay with a program? I know of several that have gotten and get offers on an annual basis but choose to stay where they are. Some places if you win a championship you could probably retire on that if you were mediocre from then on. At OP how many years do you think that would buy you?

So Todd Dodge left Southlake for the University North Texas because of pressure to win?

[BlackAttack]

Do you not think that other coaches get offers but choose to stay with a program? I know of several that have gotten and get offers on an annual basis but choose to stay where they are.

Several coaches? Links? Let's see your sources.

[LittleSouthwestConference]

I have thought about and watched this for years. Do you not think that other coaches get offers but choose to stay with a program? I know of several that have gotten and get offers on an annual basis but choose to stay where they are. Some places if you win a championship you could probably retire on that if you were mediocre from then on. At OP how many years do you think that would buy you?

John Wilkins went 9 years before he won a championship.

[BlackAttack]

Some places if you win a championship you could probably retire on that if you were mediocre from then on. At OP how many years do you think that would buy you?


Geez, you are all over the place with your argument. You didnt say mediocre in your original post. You said "the successful coaches at Permian" yada yada yada. The subject of mediocre coaches is another topic altogether.

[BlackAttack]

John Wilkins went 9 years before he won a championship.

So it's at least 9 years. 9 years is unreasonable pressure?

[LittleSouthwestConference]

Allen
SLC
Westlake
Trinity

These would be my top picks. A good coach should be able to punch his ticket in these places.

[PermianFan]

I took a look at some of the other schools (successful and not so successful) to see how many coaches they have had since 1960 and Permian is not out of the ordinary. A couple stand out, like Plano with only 5 and Katy with 8, but many of them run from 10 to 15: Abilene-11, Burleson-14, SLC-10 (since 1963), Belton-10, Lewisville-10, Brownsville Hanna-15, Donna-13, Duncanville-11 (Scott Smith was there for 2 years), Del Rio-14, Garland-10 (Scott Smith was there for 2 years), A&M Consolidated-11, Permian-12 (Scott Smith was there for 2 years). I don't think pressure at Permian is a factor any more than at any other successful program in a coaches decision to leave.

[Wypirates03]

I took a look at some of the other schools (successful and not so successful) to see how many coaches they have had since 1960 and Permian is not out of the ordinary. A couple stand out, like Plano with only 5 and Katy with 8, but many of them run from 10 to 15: Abilene-11, Burleson-14, SLC-10 (since 1963), Belton-10, Lewisville-10, Brownsville Hanna-15, Donna-13, Duncanville-11 (Scott Smith was there for 2 years), Del Rio-14, Garland-10 (Scott Smith was there for 2 years), A&M Consolidated-11, Permian-12 (Scott Smith was there for 2 years). I don't think pressure at Permian is a factor any more than at any other successful program in a coaches decision to leave.

Where'd you get that list from? I'm curious to see how many Wylie has had. I Know Ball was there from like 1994-2006, then Howard took over. I just don't know who was between Jerry Shaeffer and Mark Ball.

[PermianFan]

I got it at Collier-Sharp. They have a lot of team histories through 2007. Wylie has had 9 since 1960 if Troy Maynard was the head coach that year (it has no one listed for that year).

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

Wilson's departure took a toll on the program and it left many JT followers with questions concerning the future of the program. Rush has restored some hope but he still has some stones unturned. I'm positive my neighbor will be OK, he's back in school and doing well. I'm begging him to go to a coach and inlist but he keeps avoiding it. I'm just happy he's in school.

Well, that's great to hear, for Coach Rush and the 14 year old. I hope both work out well, and I'd love to see the JT program get back to being a regular contender.

And, I agree with what onevision said about the Reginald Samples approach.

[mojosoundwave]

I have thought about and watched this for years. Do you not think that other coaches get offers but choose to stay with a program? I know of several that have gotten and get offers on an annual basis but choose to stay where they are. Some places if you win a championship you could probably retire on that if you were mediocre from then on. At OP how many years do you think that would buy you?

Too much pressure at Permian!
Thats all I've heard since the eighth grade, the coaches feel it, the players feel it, the thirty year old never was in the stands feels it and in Odessa it wouldn't work any other way. If there's no sense of our turn to protect the tradition and a pride in the school then you have nothing-and with that comes enormous pressure for all involved, but its extremely self imposed more than externally despite what you've seen and heard. The company line is MOJO and we all care!

[33Blood]

Geez, you are all over the place with your argument. You didnt say mediocre in your original post. You said "the successful coaches at Permian" yada yada yada. The subject of mediocre coaches is another topic altogether.

All over the place? Not really. I made the observation, which is a fact you can look up if you like, that OP coaches have not stayed very long win or lose. Now for some reason you have wanted to argue that and that has taken a few different directions.

Coppell and Northwest have gone through a lot of coaches but most of them have lost and even then some of them stuck around for longer than they should have. Denison won a state championship and the coach stayed for several years beyond that and though they made the playoffs the results were never quite the same. Mesquite the same thing, they won one and then really tailed off but the coach hung on for a long time, too long in fact but that wasn't even coaching related.

So my point is not all over the place. OP is one of the top coaching jobs in the state and probably the nation. But until I see proof otherwise it is not a place you will go to put in your 20 years of coaching and retire. Not that many get to anywhere these days but there are those that have and are still active with a chance.

[BlackAttack]

So my point is not all over the place.

You're right....it's right there on top of your head.:rolleyes:

You can crawdad all you want, but your original post was a complete failure and you know it.

[LittleSouthwestConference]

All over the place? Not really. I made the observation, which is a fact you can look up if you like, that OP coaches have not stayed very long win or lose. Now for some reason you have wanted to argue that and that has taken a few different directions.

Coppell and Northwest have gone through a lot of coaches but most of them have lost and even then some of them stuck around for longer than they should have. Denison won a state championship and the coach stayed for several years beyond that and though they made the playoffs the results were never quite the same. Mesquite the same thing, they won one and then really tailed off but the coach hung on for a long time, too long in fact but that wasn't even coaching related.

So my point is not all over the place. OP is one of the top coaching jobs in the state and probably the nation. But until I see proof otherwise it is not a place you will go to put in your 20 years of coaching and retire. Not that many get to anywhere these days but there are those that have and are still active with a chance.

So I guess you've been misunderstood here. maybe your line about "double edged swords" did it? By all means, if you were simply trying to say that coaches don't stay 20 years retire at Permian, feel free to list all the top programs that have had coaches who have both won a state championship and retired there after 20 years. While you're at it, I'd also like to see that list of coaches you alluded to earlier, the ones that get college coaching offers all the time but don't take them. It would go a long way towards giving validity to your original reply.

[BackNBlack97]

I guess if he wants to define a good program as being able to stay 20 years and retire, OHS might be a good place for coaches... If you make the playoffs a couple of times you are considered highly successful... Plus you get to make premium money since you are paid the same as the Permian coach! :ninja:

[coriv]

I guess if he wants to define a good program as being able to stay 20 years and retire, OHS might be a good place for coaches... If you make the playoffs a couple of times you are considered highly successful... Plus you get to make premium money since you are paid the same as the Permian coach! :ninja:

I'm surprised it took this long.

[SLC]

Where'd you get that list from? I'm curious to see how many Wylie has had. I Know Ball was there from like 1994-2006, then Howard took over. I just don't know who was between Jerry Shaeffer and Mark Ball.


9 coaches since 1960...Ball was '97-'05...Sam Terry and Jimmie Brooks was between Shaffer and Ball.

[Wypirates03]

9 coaches since 1960...Ball was '97-'05...Sam Terry and Jimmie Brooks was between Shaffer and Ball.

Sam Terry is still with the ISD. He is the stadium manager now. :D

[PermianFan4Life]

I'm surprised it took this long.

coriv is a good sport about it though.:)

[PermianFan4Life]

It has been. But really you can't say any High School job is a move up from there other than maybe in pay. And again that is what makes OP so unique, they have won with so many coaches. You look at SLC, Katy, Celina and many other programs and most of their success was with 1 or 2 great coaches.

Allman wants to coach at the college level and has friends on staff at UT, At Westlake he has more exposure to Mack Brown and co. as well as a better chance of being seen by a wider range of regional audiences as in D1 schools in general. Westlake is nothing but a stepping stone to a D1 school for Allman regardless what you guys think. In the last 15 years loyalty goes only as deep as their respective ISD's pockets are deep, There are a few exceptions but they are few and far between. Like was pointed out earlier all of our successful coaches went on to College programs except for Wilkins which is still somewhat involved with the ECISD(Yes he has stayed in Odessa this whole time). But you must also not only look at these coaches careers as the head coach but look at the time they spent in the program as assistants, All of the coaches(I think from Bartosh) up to and including Randy Mayes were recruited from within the existing coaching staff to take the HC job so I don't see this as a revolving door as much as an outsider may.

[judrok1]

Converse Judson?