D1 player on your team

[scottie2]

It often seems that having a number of D1 committed players on your team does not often times equate to success in wins and losses.


The teams that win championships are those that have a couple of D1 players and a bunch of overachieving players that believe in the program. I can think of several teams in the past couple of years (I won't mention their names because it will cause a whole lot of anger and distract us from the discussion)that have been loaded with talent that either did not make the playoffs or were one and done.

Questions : Do you want a team full of already verbally committed D1 players on your team?
How will Skyline do this year with 9 (I believe) committed players?
Should college coaches be allowed to offer scholarships before the season is over such as their Soph and Jr year?

[DragonFan0316]

It often seems that having a number of D1 committed players on your team does not often times equate to success in wins and losses.


The teams that win championships are those that have a couple of D1 players and a bunch of overachieving players that believe in the program. I can think of several teams in the past couple of years (I won't mention their names because it will cause a whole lot of anger and distract us from the discussion)that have been loaded with talent that either did not make the playoffs or were one and done.

Questions : Do you want a team full of already verbally committed D1 players on your team?
How will Skyline do this year with 9 (I believe) committed players?
Should college coaches be allowed to offer scholarships before the season is over such as their Soph and Jr year?

Well said. Few championship teams are defined by the number of D1 players they have. I wish colleges had to wait until after the Sr season is over.

[bowiedawgs01]

I'd rather have talented, hard working kids that believe in the program, but might not be D1 commits yet. They'll either work their tail off trying to get noticed by a college, or they'll realize this is their last hoorah and leave it all on the field every week.

Some D1 commits know they'll have 4 more years and may not put forth as much effort as the other guys.

[E-Vol-ution]

As long as you have a good coach...I'll take the D1's over the overachievers with a similar coach any day.

[grayowl60]

It often seems that having a number of D1 committed players on your team does not often times equate to success in wins and losses.


The teams that win championships are those that have a couple of D1 players and a bunch of overachieving players that believe in the program. I can think of several teams in the past couple of years (I won't mention their names because it will cause a whole lot of anger and distract us from the discussion)that have been loaded with talent that either did not make the playoffs or were one and done.

Questions : Do you want a team full of already verbally committed D1 players on your team?
How will Skyline do this year with 9 (I believe) committed players?
Should college coaches be allowed to offer scholarships before the season is over such as their Soph and Jr year?
(yawn) HP must not have any or few committed players;)

[bowiedawgs01]

Well, their QB just gave his verbal to Louisville.

Other than that? Not sure. Probably not many, if any.

[E-Vol-ution]

Why should athletes be denied the same advantage of knowing where they will attend college that any other student does?Well said. Few championship teams are defined by the number of D1 players they have. I wish colleges had to wait until after the Sr season is over.

[OakTreeUp-n-Out]

Great point. I think the Scotties should call MNW and schedule up a game.

[grayowl60]

Great point. I think the Scotties should call MNW and schedule up a game.
And play at home. What do you think odds of that happening are? MNW may be sceered of them, ya think:rolleyes:

[scottie2]

(yawn) HP must not have any or few committed players;)

I was going to keep this out your gutter but of course you are unable to do .So here goes

Garland is the perfect example of what i am talking about . A couple of years ago they had a team with a nationally ranked DE and a track star and they were ranked top 2 or 3 in the metroplex with dreams of their D! recruits taking them to state. The team went 3 and 7 and everyone complained about no senior leadership. You would think the Garland faithful as dillusional as they are would tire of underachieving

[scottie2]

(yawn) HP must not have any or few committed players;)

At least the ones we have actually stay in school. Please tell the world what is the % rate of how many of garland's college football players graduate. 5%?

[Bill4par]

Your post started out as a valid question. My answer is that in my opinion it does not make much differance. I believe it depends on how the team gels and comes together. To change the dynamics a little bit of your question, suppose it was the NFL......

....T.O. is a great player who has not led his teams anywhere even on The SuperStars.

...OchoCinco has not led the Bengals anyplace.

You can have all the talent in the world, but id the team does not gel, it ain't gonna work.

[scottie2]

I'd rather have talented, hard working kids that believe in the program, but might not be D1 commits yet. They'll either work their tail off trying to get noticed by a college, or they'll realize this is their last hoorah and leave it all on the field every week.

Some D1 commits know they'll have 4 more years and may not put forth as much effort as the other guys.

You are so right !!A team full of kids who love football and want to play in Division 3 will win you alot games. Isn't it a shame when some on the site can't have a legitimate discussion without jumping in the gutter?

[yankee]

division 1 talent can only get you so far.....
over-achieving division 3 players can only get you so far....
there are a lot of other factors that go into a team's success than the caliber of the players.

[grayowl60]

I was going to keep this out your gutter but of course you are unable to do .So here goes

Garland is the perfect example of what i am talking about . A couple of years ago they had a team with a nationally ranked DE and a track star and they were ranked top 2 or 3 in the metroplex with dreams of their D! recruits taking them to state. The team went 3 and 7 and everyone complained about no senior leadership. You would think the Garland faithful as dillusional as they are would tire of underachieving
I guess you can spin about anything with your training.. Found any liquor stores? In 08 Garland put a few in Dl, and lots of kids in smaller programs due to the work of the staff, it was a small crop for the big time deals... went three rounds.:eek: But that was in 5A which may be hard for you to understand. Hows girls golf looking next year?

[grayowl60]

At least the ones we have actually stay in school. Please tell the world what is the % rate of how many of garland's college football players graduate. 5%?
Yep that is a disapointment, but i would bet its not far from the average... You are very interested... obsesed with Garland, so you can tell about the stats, at least thay get a chance. Check the depth chart at th U. of Texas wide reciever position;) And there are others

[bowiedawgs01]

Yep that is a disapointment, but i would bet its not far from the average... You are very interested... obsesed with Garland, so you can tell about the stats, at least thay get a chance. Check the depth chart at th U. of Texas wide reciever position;) And there are others

He's obsessed, yet you're the one that brought up HP in this thread.

[grayowl60]

He's obsessed, yet you're the one that brought up HP in this thread.
You are in college, right? Surely you know what this thread is about.. are do you? Its a slick little slam at schools that put kids in college to play football and dont measure up to his standards.....duh

[ALLENFANDINGO5]

Well said. Few championship teams are defined by the number of D1 players they have. I wish colleges had to wait until after the Sr season is over.The flipside of colleges getting kids to commit is that the kid can just play his SR. year without putting extra pressure on himself to perform for the scouts in the stands and to play for the other 10 he is on the field with.

[bowiedawgs01]

You are in college, right? Surely you know what this thread is about.. are do you? Its a slick little slam at schools that put kids in college to play football and dont measure up to his standards.....duh

I'm already out of college.

His topic was just fine until you took the first jab. You speak as if you've never started a loaded thread that is a thinly veiled swipe at HP.

[grayowl60]

I'm already out of college.

His topic was just fine until you took the first jab. You speak as if you've never started a loaded thread that is a thinly veiled swipe at HP.
Oh, you mean about state titles in the last twenty years. La Marque, Stephenville, Ennis etc. I guess you HP groupies would get some upset about that klind of conversation.

[E-Vol-ution]

The opposite side of the coin is that there are only two teams each year that win a championship. How many teams win that have no program or system to speak of? Regardless of if you have a team of D1's, a team of overachievers, or a team of overachievers with a few D1's...........no program or system means less wins, playoff appearances and no championships.
This pretty much wraps up the truth of the matter.
It often seems that having a number of D1 committed players on your team does not often times equate to success in wins and losses.


The teams that win championships are those that have a couple of D1 players and a bunch of overachieving players that believe in the program. I can think of several teams in the past couple of years (I won't mention their names because it will cause a whole lot of anger and distract us from the discussion)that have been loaded with talent that either did not make the playoffs or were one and done.

Questions : Do you want a team full of already verbally committed D1 players on your team?
How will Skyline do this year with 9 (I believe) committed players?
Should college coaches be allowed to offer scholarships before the season is over such as their Soph and Jr year?

[dada]

Talent alone gaurantees nothing......

Case in point, Eisenhower vs Cinco Ranch


Ike:
"The Eagles had a school-record 20 players commit to play college on scholarship Wednesday morning. Two more players may sign later this week."

http://www.athletesconnection.com/content/view/4058/10086/


Cinco had what? 3?:
Conner Key-Abilene Christain University
Devin Williams-Tulane
Ryan Moos-Colorado School of Mines


Clearly Ike had 3 times the talent of Cinco Ranch
they faced off Rd 2 of the playoffs
Result: Cinco Ranch 62 Eisenhower 21


there are many other examples also

[E-Vol-ution]

Which one had the better coach and program?
Talent alone gaurantees nothing......

Case in point, Eisenhower vs Cinco Ranch


Ike:
"The Eagles had a school-record 20 players commit to play college on scholarship Wednesday morning. Two more players may sign later this week."

http://www.athletesconnection.com/content/view/4058/10086/


Cinco had what? 3?:
Conner Key-Abilene Christain University
Devin Williams-Tulane
Ryan Moos-Colorado School of Mines


Clearly Ike had 3 times the talent of Cinco Ranch
they faced off Rd 2 of the playoffs
Result: Cinco Ranch 62 Eisenhower 21


there are many other examples also

[dada]

Which one had the better coach and program?

Cinco....that's why I would take a well coached team that has a program in place over a team of studs. I mean every now and then you get lucky with a Miami Northwestern that is freakishly talented, but not all the time.

[KT2000]

That's the kind of thing that bugs the Holy heck out of me about Houston area football. Nobody can tell me some of these programs don't produce talent.

[E-Vol-ution]

That's my point.........but given equal coaching and program, which would you take? I think that the coaching and program emphasis is the greatest factor in the whole equation yet the focus here seems to be about who has D1 talent as if that is the reason these type teams don't win. Cinco....that's why I would take a well coached team that has a program in place over a team of studs. I mean every now and then you get lucky with a Miami Northwestern that is freakishly talented, but not all the time.

[KT2000]

That's my point.........but given equal coaching and program, which would you take? I think that the coaching and program emphasis is the greatest factor in the whole equation yet the focus here seems to be about who has D1 talent as if that is the reason these type teams don't win.

Uh, I'm guessing the team with 20+ D1 signees. Just a hunch.

[KT2000]

I know there are several extenuating circumstances in some programs, but then I read about a team like the 85 Yates Lions and also the Northwestern team from a couple years back. It can be done. The outside factors can be overcome with the right kind of leadership.

[dada]

That's my point.........but given equal coaching and program, which would you take? I think that the coaching and program emphasis is the greatest factor in the whole equation yet the focus here seems to be about who has D1 talent as if that is the reason these type teams don't win.

Example...if Coach Joseph of Katy could get to Eisenhower....get the same community support, and can get the kids to buy into a system...it would be downright scary. I coache Pee Wee football and I always told the kids..."A guy that runs a 4.8 40, knows his assingments and knows where he's supposed to be, is faster than a 4.5 guy who doesn't"

[dada]

I know there are several extenuating circumstances in some programs, but then I read about a team like the 85 Yates Lions and also the Northwestern team from a couple years back. It can be done. The outside factors can be overcome with the right kind of leadership.

Sometimes...SOMETIMES you can get by on Talent alone....Madison ALMOST did it with Vince Young and 10 random dudes.

[E-Vol-ution]

lol......and I doubt we'll find a team of overachievers without a good coach or program winning a title for an example.
Sometimes...SOMETIMES you can get by on Talent alone....Madison ALMOST did it with Vince Young and 10 random dudes.

[dada]

lol......and I doubt we'll find a team of overachievers without a good coach or program winning a title for an example.

At first, I thought Cedar Hill was a flash in the pan and just had a good year with good talent.....but they have proved me wrong.

[E-Vol-ution]

All or most of these kids played in very good youth programs. It was difficult regarding prepping them for any specific HS program or system because of the various areas they came from. Most did get very good training on fundamentals, assignments and the art of listening.......lolAt first, I thought Cedar Hill was a flash in the pan and just had a good year with good talent.....but they have proved me wrong.

[slcdragonfan]

I know there are several extenuating circumstances in some programs, but then I read about a team like the 85 Yates Lions and also the Northwestern team from a couple years back. It can be done. The outside factors can be overcome with the right kind of leadership.

Northwestern, with all its D1 talent and egos to match, came in as a team, overcoming great adversity. You saw it as they left at halftime, holding hands, together in a crowd far away from home. I personally think that, and their first half performance, is why I stood and applauded as they left at halftime. So I agree. And in MNW's case, I think the leadership came as much from the players as it did from their new coach.

[slcdragonfan]

At first, I thought Cedar Hill was a flash in the pan and just had a good year with good talent.....but they have proved me wrong.

You can blame, er, give credit ;) to Coach McGuire for making them into a team. They always seem to have talent.

[Allstarkaw]

Darius Tubbs-Humble

[scottie2]

All or most of these kids played in very good youth programs. It was difficult regarding prepping them for any specific HS program or system because of the various areas they came from. Most did get very good training on fundamentals, assignments and the art of listening.......lol

It would seem to me that schools with good youth programs and good reputations with the college coaches usually have a couple of DI players on their team. Katy may not send 15 to D1 but they usually have at least a four or five. Coaches know that athletes coming from certain programs , have the grades, the discipline , and the desire to win as a team.

if you have 10+ D1 recruits it would seem easy to have a team of individuals. How hard is it for a 18 year old to keep a level head when they are getting so much attention from so many .. the community, colleges, recruiting services., other students etc....As soon as things start to go bad on the field, the team comes second

[scottie2]

Yep that is a disapointment, but i would bet its not far from the average... You are very interested... obsesed with Garland, so you can tell about the stats, at least thay get a chance. Check the depth chart at th U. of Texas wide reciever position;) And there are others

We try to have a decent discussion during the off season and EVERY time you try to turn it into a HP Garland discussion for some reason. Very sad

That is the extent of my Garland obession

[grayowl60]

we try to have a decent discussion during the off season and every time you try to turn it into a hp garland discussion for some reason. Very sad

that is the extent of my garland obession
oh nooooo!:(

[E-Vol-ution]

Actually...you have a vaid point regarding a greater chance of many talented kids having ego problems. That really starts at the root of it all when a player should be taught he's never bigger than the team. Potential for distraction is always there too, but it's a coach's job to recognize and tutor leaders. You keep in those guys ears and in many an instance they are extra eyes and ears that take care of a problem before it even gets back to the coach. I thought you knew most coaches are part time shrinks, ministers and Dads, even when the kid comes from a two parent household. It's not just the D1's.......quite a few mediocre to non playing guys on the team will be the wildest guys off the field. By the same token...quite a few of them are the main leaders on the team.
It would seem to me that schools with good youth programs and good reputations with the college coaches usually have a couple of DI players on their team. Katy may not send 15 to D1 but they usually have at least a four or five. Coaches know that athletes coming from certain programs , have the grades, the discipline , and the desire to win as a team.

if you have 10+ D1 recruits it would seem easy to have a team of individuals. How hard is it for a 18 year old to keep a level head when they are getting so much attention from so many .. the community, colleges, recruiting services., other students etc....As soon as things start to go bad on the field, the team comes second

[Gator4ever]

Coaching and a total program is what decides a championship versus a team with great players in my opinion.


For example Dickinson has had a state championship as well as a heisman trophy winner. The heisman player never made the playoffs and the state championship team had a few division one picks. The coaching was better with the heisman player but talent brought in the state title so now it's a contradiction?????


Seems LaMarque usually has division one players but most of the steam of the team is not.

[grayowl60]

At least the ones we have actually stay in school. Please tell the world what is the % rate of how many of garland's college football players graduate. 5%?
It is very hard on storied programs to see not storied programs do well and have young people do well. Here are some facts that will likely be confusing or upseting for some storied, legendary fans
Colleges that have players on the roster or who have just graduated, that are from Garland High School (Garland went 3-7 in 07 (whoop). and 11-2 in 08, third round)
Oklahoma
Louisville
Rice
Air Force
LSU
Texas
Ok. State
Florida
La. Monroe
Tulsa
Montana
And several small schools
Garland has four pre commits to big 12 from the 09 team
Im sure there are other schools that have numbers like that. but I dont know who.
Sorry, not trying to cause problems, but BS needs to be answered;)
Dont know %s, go ahead legend tell me... lmao

[sgp3]

I think this offering a kids scholarship before his jr year is getting out of hand. I think the NCAA should really look into this because this thing with a kids saying he going to a college at the start of jr year and he has not even taken English 3 yet. Before you know they will be looking at the middle school players.
It often seems that having a number of D1 committed players on your team does not often times equate to success in wins and losses.


The teams that win championships are those that have a couple of D1 players and a bunch of overachieving players that believe in the program. I can think of several teams in the past couple of years (I won't mention their names because it will cause a whole lot of anger and distract us from the discussion)that have been loaded with talent that either did not make the playoffs or were one and done.

Questions : Do you want a team full of already verbally committed D1 players on your team?
How will Skyline do this year with 9 (I believe) committed players?
Should college coaches be allowed to offer scholarships before the season is over such as their Soph and Jr year?

[E-Vol-ution]

You're late....a 13 yr old jr high kid accepted an offer from Tennessee. His brother is already there. In an interview...the kid stated "that's pretty much the only school I know". Wonder why?:rolleyes: This I totally disagree with.:mad:
Now regarding the initial statement........A junior just gets an offer and can accept. That has no effect at all on if the kid passes high school or can fulfill academic or legal standards. It does in fact give some relief from that pressure and give a kid something to shoot for in establishing (if it wasn't there fully) and maintaining grades and proving himself worthy.
Most parents are happy knowing going into or playing during that junior year that they know where their child is going also.
I think this offering a kids scholarship before his jr year is getting out of hand. I think the NCAA should really look into this because this thing with a kids saying he going to a college at the start of jr year and he has not even taken English 3 yet. Before you know they will be looking at the middle school players.

[GoOwls]

It is very hard on storied programs to see not storied programs do well and have young people do well. Here are some facts that will likely be confusing or upseting for some storied, legendary fans
Colleges that have players on the roster or who have just graduated, that are from Garland High School (Garland went 3-7 in 07 (whoop). and 11-2 in 08, third round)
Oklahoma
Louisville
Rice
Air Force
LSU
Texas
Ok. State
Florida
La. Monroe
Tulsa
Montana
And several small schools
Garland has four pre commits to big 12 from the 09 team
Im sure there are other schools that have numbers like that. but I dont know who.
Sorry, not trying to cause problems, but BS needs to be answered;)
Dont know %s, go ahead legend tell me... lmao

Where'd scootie go......:eek: ;) :D

[hollywood]

It often seems that having a number of D1 committed players on your team does not often times equate to success in wins and losses.


The teams that win championships are those that have a couple of D1 players and a bunch of overachieving players that believe in the program. I can think of several teams in the past couple of years (I won't mention their names because it will cause a whole lot of anger and distract us from the discussion)that have been loaded with talent that either did not make the playoffs or were one and done.

Questions : Do you want a team full of already verbally committed D1 players on your team?
How will Skyline do this year with 9 (I believe) committed players?
Should college coaches be allowed to offer scholarships before the season is over such as their Soph and Jr year?

I'll take the D1 players. If we are talking Soutlake or Highland Park, it does not matter. But for folks who do not already have a ride to the next level, the D1 scholarships are important. From a bigger view, more important than going deep into the playoffs. The number of D1 players can be deceiving. Not having them does not mean that the talent is not there. It might. It might also mean that the team is made up of players who have more options than some. Since this comes up several times a year, it is good to see this get out of the way early.

It is not any more telling than an SAT score. All else equal give me a group of folks who score highly on their SATs. However, those folks who apply themselves in the long run have success. That said having few D1 players or a low SAT is not a reason to feel superior ..... True D1 players are fun to watch.