Young if a Texan

[TheDuke]

Did anyone else catch Casserly/McNair and company on ABC13 last night at 10:35? (I don't remember what the show is called but it is a weekly thing during the season). Casserly said they are going to re-sign Carr to his 3 year extension, and that they will not draft a QB if Carr is here. He said of course they'd listen to any trade offers for him but would only take something that gave them fair value, and I don't see anyone giving up more than a 2nd round pick for Carr, and that would definitely not make up for the loss of his talent and the ensuing $8 million cap hit. McNair said they are looking for playmakers (likely hinting at Bush, maybe a defensive playmaker like Mario Williams if he's looks like a Peppers-type DE) but will also evaluate trade offers and would be willing to trade down if a good enough deal was made. I personally think at least one team will make us a nice offer, but either way it is still a month before the combine and then pro days/workouts, so they will evaluate Bush and everyone else at that time and gather trade offers and see what they think the best option is for the team. I do not expect them to accept a trade until late March at the earliest (assuming they do even accept one) and I don't expect they'll announce who they are going to draft until they are on the clock on draft day.

[TexasRed6x]

I think the Texans face alot of heat from their fans about the #1 pick. Some people want them to take Bush because of his speed and quickness and some want them to take Young because he is also fast and he is a good passer and also what he did in the Rose Bowl. I think they will take Bush with the first pick since I've been watching ESPN and their insider analysts have been saying that they will chose Bush even if Young is available. Upon hearing that, I think it will be #1 Texans-Bush, #2 Saints-Leinhart and #3 Titans-Young.

[SVite]

As i speak Bush has not declared if he`s comming out.If Houston can get a 2nd round pick for Carr in this years draft,i say cut your loses and start the Young era in 2006.If Carr continues set records at being sacked,he wont last long anyways!

[OILERDT54]

if young becomes a texan, then you can look forward to the texans being in the playoff picture next year.

[biki1121]

if young becomes a texan, then you can look forward to the texans being in the playoff picture next year.

Interesting prediction you have there Oiler! So I will post a couple of questions for you.

What NFL team/Coach/Off. Coord. is going to reduce his playbook to accomodate Vince if can't cut it with the existing playbook? Mack Brown admittedly had Butch Davis reduce the playbook for Vince because he was having trouble with basic reads on zip and flag routes. The Zone-Read systems was fully inducted and Vince prospered with throwing to a area/zone where a WR would be coming open. The unsung heroes of Texas this year were the WRs. Those guys did a great job creating space, running to the open area and more importantly catching the ball. Read zone never works in the NFL because of the quality of DBs. It is fine for a few plays each game but as a base offense it has been blown up repeatedly. Classic drop back passers are the gold-standard of the NFL for a reason.

Next, how do you think we fix Vince's accuracy? In read-zone, he throws to an area where he sees the area open. His weakness over the past few years what precision passing through coverage. I'm not alone in this thinking. Most of the Draft Analyst list this as his weakness. Specifically being "marginal at best" and accurate passing on the run and accurate passing into tight spaces are common weakness complaints. Here is one of the nicer analysis write-ups. http://www.draftshowcase.com/VinceYoung.htm

Next question is how many teams have gone from a losing season to the NFL playoffs with a rookie QB starting? If you look the answer up you will be suprised at the result. I understand you say they will be in the playoff picture but I take this as you saying the playoffs which means a 9-10 win season.

Mind you, I'm not saying Vince cannot be a NFL QB. I'm just saying he will have very little to work with right now and the expectations placed on the young man by us Texans fans may be a little to steep. Vince's best chance for success will be to hold the clipboard next to the Coach while a veteran QB teaches him how to be an NFL QB. Vince is a extremely talented and gifted ATHLETE. He could be an NFL superstar if given the right team with the right talent. We are not that team. I'm not sold on Bush either. I honestly think trading down and picking up a few more picks would be our best course of action. If we do take a high pick, I would take Hawk and retool the defense around him. There will be some great quality linemen available this year in free-agency and the draft (Winston-USC and Winston-Miami) are two that come to mind. William Winston however won't last long and if we take him it would be with a high pick. And we still need another quality WR and pass rusher.

Thanks for reading my opinion!!

[TheDuke]

Interesting prediction you have there Oiler! So I will post a couple of questions for you.

What NFL team/Coach/Off. Coord. is going to reduce his playbook to accomodate Vince if can't cut it with the existing playbook? Mack Brown admittedly had Butch Davis reduce the playbook for Vince because he was having trouble with basic reads on zip and flag routes. The Zone-Read systems was fully inducted and Vince prospered with throwing to a area/zone where a WR would be coming open. The unsung heroes of Texas this year were the WRs. Those guys did a great job creating space, running to the open area and more importantly catching the ball. Read zone never works in the NFL because of the quality of DBs. It is fine for a few plays each game but as a base offense it has been blown up repeatedly. Classic drop back passers are the gold-standard of the NFL for a reason.

Next, how do you think we fix Vince's accuracy? In read-zone, he throws to an area where he sees the area open. His weakness over the past few years what precision passing through coverage. I'm not alone in this thinking. Most of the Draft Analyst list this as his weakness. Specifically being "marginal at best" and accurate passing on the run and accurate passing into tight spaces are common weakness complaints. Here is one of the nicer analysis write-ups. http://www.draftshowcase.com/VinceYoung.htm

Next question is how many teams have gone from a losing season to the NFL playoffs with a rookie QB starting? If you look the answer up you will be suprised at the result. I understand you say they will be in the playoff picture but I take this as you saying the playoffs which means a 9-10 win season.

Mind you, I'm not saying Vince cannot be a NFL QB. I'm just saying he will have very little to work with right now and the expectations placed on the young man by us Texans fans may be a little to steep. Vince's best chance for success will be to hold the clipboard next to the Coach while a veteran QB teaches him how to be an NFL QB. Vince is a extremely talented and gifted ATHLETE. He could be an NFL superstar if given the right team with the right talent. We are not that team. I'm not sold on Bush either. I honestly think trading down and picking up a few more picks would be our best course of action. If we do take a high pick, I would take Hawk and retool the defense around him. There will be some great quality linemen available this year in free-agency and the draft (Winston-USC and Winston-Miami) are two that come to mind. William Winston however won't last long and if we take him it would be with a high pick. And we still need another quality WR and pass rusher.

Thanks for reading my opinion!!

Let me ask you this biki1121!!!!

If Kubiak is our coach, has Denver EVER drafted a RB before the 3rd round?

If you were him wouldn't you want to start with a NEW QB WITH A NEW SYSTEM??

Thanks for reading my opinion!!! DRAFT VINCE IF YOU WANT TO WIN!!
:rolleyes:

[biki1121]

I agree on Vince being one of the great college QBs to play the game. I agree that he is an unbelievabe physical talent. I also agree that he has a leadership ability that make people gravitate to him.

However I disagree that he will walk into a NFL camp and blow up the competition then lead us to the promise land. He is not consistently accurate enough to be a drop back passer. This leads me to believe he will be a scrambling opportunistic zone passer (Texas this year). Please show me a Super Bowl Champion that fits this mold in the last 25 years of the NFL. Every year some kid from North East State U makes the show and everyone wonders where how he made it. Well it's because the coaches found a kid that not only had the physical tools but he also understands and runs NFL plays, can reads coverage, and can follow a multi-faceted and complicated playbook. If we want to draft a QB this year, well then it should be Jay Cutler. But a QB really isn't what we need right now.

As far as the Broncos drafting a RB before the 3rd round. No they haven't in recent years. But what they have drafted is skillful, smart offensive linemen that have a good work ethic. And if you reread my post I said I didn't think taking Bush (or any other RB) would be a good idea. I did however talk about picking up some quality O-Line. If you think about it, the O-line has the been the staple of the Broncos above anything else. Carr has issues granted but he has also never had time to do anything with the ball. We lead the league in sacks allowed and knockdowns over half the years the Texans have been in the lead. A shiny, new running back will not help that either. Kinda hard to get yards when a LB or DT is hitting you in the mouth when you get the ball.

I understand you being a Texas fan and wanting him to come play for us. But that is thinking with your heart. Stop for a minute and think like a GM. Use the pick wisely or trade down and pick up a couple of extra picks. Either way, unless Vince turns into a 275 lbs Offensive Tackle he shouldn't be drafted by the Texans.

And I do appreciate your opinion....

[TheDuke]

Let me ask you this:

Do you think Carr is a leader? In other words, does the TEAM believe and think they can WIN with Carr?

Vince is coming off the best college ending career OF ANYONE!

When he is on the field everyone on the team KNOWS THEY CAN WIN! Not feeling that from Carr.

Vince NEVER plays under pressure, he plays cool and loose and makes things happen.

We need a leader, not just a Heisman winner to toss the ball too.

I say DRAFT SUPER VINCE!

[SVite]

I hope they can get Vince,but it may be not in the cards.Getting Bush is also pretty awsome.This could be the next Payton/Barry Sanders back that just come around every so often.With some good linemen in the draft ,and free agency,and with Kubiak molding Carr this team should be back up off the turf.

[biki1121]

Let me ask you this:

Do you think Carr is a leader? In other words, does the TEAM believe and think they can WIN with Carr?

Vince is coming off the best college ending career OF ANYONE!

When he is on the field everyone on the team KNOWS THEY CAN WIN! Not feeling that from Carr.

Vince NEVER plays under pressure, he plays cool and loose and makes things happen.

We need a leader, not just a Heisman winner to toss the ball too.

I say DRAFT SUPER VINCE!

Nope, I don't think he is the leader we need under the current players. I do think the players have lost some faith in him.

Vince did have one of the greatest ENDINGS of a COLLEGE career and an absolutely outstanding final season.

He is definately an exciting player with great leadership skills. However the NFL is full of exciting players with great leadership skills. And he will be something new and fresh for people to be excited about. How long will that last when he struggles??? Kind of the same fate as Carr.....

Yes, Vince will lose his cool. He lost his cool against Oklahoma and this year against A&M. Does he do this often, no he hasn't but it was at times when he was pressured, picked off, and generally taken out of his game. NFL is a big step up from college.

And finally, you are correct, we do need a leader! However, every great leader must have a set of tools to work with. The biggest tool missing for Vince or any QB we draft or acquire is the Oline. I'm sorry, it's just hard to lead when you are staring at the roof of the stadium.

Go back to his physical tools. His strengths are his leadership, speed/running, arm strength, and toughness. His weaknesses are passing accuracy especially in tight spaces, coverage reads, and playbook adaption. I do think his accuracy can be improved, as well as coverage reads. I think playbook will be a work in progress over a few years. Does this translate into us "immediately being a contender"??? Probably not. But getting the Oline together, getting the D solidified with bookends and another blow up linebacker is a must. Then we can find the over the top leader. Trading down would give us the time to build the O-line, find solid skill positions, and then put all the pieces together. If we wait and build a solid base then we just might have a player like Brady Quinn available in the draft.

However, if we do draft Vince, he needs to hold that clipboard while Carr takes a beating and we continue to develop our "base" players. This will give him time to learn and let Kubiak work with him. When Vince has a good supporting cast and has learned an NFL system, then let him take the reins. Just keep in mind Kubiak is only going to have so much patience, he will start looking for a player who came from a "pro-style" offense that doesn't need that much development, just tweaking. This is why Reeves has advised against Vince. Too much time to develop.

If I am wrong on this, please post something that would prove different. I just can't honestly find a good reason to take Vince and annoint him as the starter with our current players. Now if wholesale changes were made in the off season (4 new starters on the o-line, a monster pass rusher, and a top notch linebacker) I might would reconsider. I just hate to see Vince fail if he is "thrown to the wolves". He needs to be given a chance to learn and develop. Anything less and I fear he will be a victim of his own success.

[RPM]

some funny stuff i read about the Texans..

2006 Houston Texans, Schedule


2006 TEXANS SCHEDULE
September 14................Taft Junior High School
September 21...............Cub Scout Troop #101
September 28................Houston Blind Academy
October 05.................Spanish American War Vets
October 12................ Crippled Children's Home
October 19............... Montgomery Mental Hospital
October 26................ Girl Scout Troop # 353
November 02.................Texas Venereal Disease Clinic
November 09.................Sugarland Boys Choir
November 16.................Korean Amputees

SPECIAL MONDAY NIGHT GAME
December 08..................Cypress Gay Boys Club

** RULE CHANGES FROM LAST YEAR **
1 - When playing polio patients, the Texans must not disconnect knee braces.
2 - When playing the Blind Academy, the Texans must not hide the football under their jerseys.

** RULES THE SAME FROM LAST YEAR **
1 - A touchdown (this is when the ball is carried over the goal line for all you Texans fans that have never seen this) it is still worth 6 points.
2 - The Texans will be allowed 20 men on the field at all times.
3 - The Texans will be allowed to substitute with band members at anytime.
4 - The Texans will be awarded 10 timeouts as opposed to 3 for the opposing team.
5 - The Texans will be awarded a first down with each gain of three yards or more, instead of the usual ten yards.

** NAME CHANGE **
The Houston Texans will be changed to the "Houston Tampons" as they are only good for one period and have no second string.

** COACHING CHANGES **
Dom Capers will be replaced by Monica Lewinsky. She will no doubt blow a few, but she certainly won't choke on the big ones!!!

[Slim-Rob]

Even if Vince went to the Texans, he would do abolutely nothing without an Offensive Line. Carr is a good QB, but he has no line to block for him. Yes VY could scramble and take hits, but how long would he last in the league doing that? The Texans are going to have bad seasons untill they manage to put together a line that can block worth a dang.

It would be sweet to see Young in a Cowboy's jersey, but that is not going to happen. I guess Bledsoe has a couple more years.