Underrated Teams...

[Allstarkaw]

^The title is self explanatory^...

[CCDawgs]

Im biased towards this. I think Copperas Cove is always underrated. IMO we dont get the respect we deserve. I know we dont have any titles but our record since 1997 is 126-34. Cove is always flying under the radar and seems to suprise people come playoff time.

[wolfpack4life]

Lewisville hebron

[AE 8008]

Im biased towards this. I think Copperas Cove is always underrated. IMO we dont get the respect we deserve. I know we dont have any titles but our record since 1997 is 126-34. Cove is always flying under the radar and seems to suprise people come playoff time.

i would agree with Cove. Are they still playing Abilene in a scrimmage every year?

[PirateParent2011]

Wylie was in 2008...I'm sure they won't be in 2009!

[BackNBlack97]

I think the coaching change has Permian a bit underrated this year... I saw a site that predicted Permian losing to Midland High in district...

[CCDawgs]

i would agree with Cove. Are they still playing Abilene in a scrimmage every year?

As far as i know we still scrimmage them. Abilene is a great scrimmage to see where we are. Even tho we run them off the field everytime :D

[Allstarkaw]

As far as i know we still scrimmage them. Abilene is a great scrimmage to see where we are. Even tho we run them off the field everytime :D

:eek:Cold

[E-Vol-ution]

Last year's Mansfield team (at least in the playoffs).

[Allstarkaw]

Last year's Mansfield team (at least in the playoffs).
Agree

[Wypirates03]

Im biased towards this. I think Copperas Cove is always underrated. IMO we dont get the respect we deserve. I know we dont have any titles but our record since 1997 is 126-34. Cove is always flying under the radar and seems to suprise people come playoff time.

Not difficult to do when you guys are in that area of the state. ;)

[Allstarkaw]

Not difficult to do when you guys are in that area of the state. ;)
:eek:Cold(x2)

[slcdragonfan]

Im biased towards this. I think Copperas Cove is always underrated. IMO we dont get the respect we deserve. I know we dont have any titles but our record since 1997 is 126-34. Cove is always flying under the radar and seems to suprise people come playoff time.

I'd agree with that ...

[slcdragonfan]

Lewisville hebron

yep, by some. Not by SLC fans... ;)

[Wypirates03]

yep, by some. Not by SLC fans... ;)

Nor by Wylie... matter of fact. I'd have to disagree and say that they are not at all underrated.

[Allstarkaw]

Nor by Wylie... matter of fact. I'd have to disagree and say that they are not at all underrated.
Wolf's an idiot poster:D... and i can say that because we're kin...lol

[Wypirates03]

Wolf's an idiot poster:D... and i can say that because we're kin...lol

I agree with that 150%

[Allstarkaw]

I agree with that 150%
And the Worst part about it is that he'll TRY and argue you down that the Texans are better than the Cowboys:ninja:...

[Wypirates03]

And the Worst part about it is that he'll TRY and argue you down that the Texans are better than the Cowboys:ninja:...

"BRING IT ON!" I says

[Allstarkaw]

"BRING IT ON!" I says
I'm not trying to come off offensive but...

What attracts you people to become a :Censor: fan of the Texans?!?..


Just curious..

No but seriously..

[Wypirates03]

I'm not trying to come off offensive but...

What attracts you people to become a :Censor: fan of the Texans?!?..


Just curious..

No but seriously..

I'm not a fan of any professional teams in Texas. Except for maybe the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders...

[Allstarkaw]

So What is THIS about??..."BRING IT ON!" I says

[wolfpack4life]

yep, by some. Not by SLC fans... ;)
Ha! wonder why

[wolfpack4life]

I agree with that 150%
Dont get mad because i tell it ike it is:laugh

[wolfpack4life]

And the Worst part about it is that he'll TRY and argue you down that the Texans are better than the Cowboys:ninja:...
Well thats because they are wayyy better than the cowgirls:D

[Allstarkaw]

Dont get mad because i tell it ike it is:laugh
You forgot the (n't) on Isn't...LMAO:notworthy

[AE 8008]

As far as i know we still scrimmage them. Abilene is a great scrimmage to see where we are. Even tho we run them off the field everytime :D

no kidding. its like you guys remind us every year that FOOTBALL SEASON IS ACTUALLY HERE! so thanks, i guess :D

then we manage to go on, go 10-0, win 81-3, almost break the school record for points in a season after just 10 games, then lose in the 1st round:(

[AE 8008]

Last year's Mansfield team (at least in the playoffs).

no doubt about that

[AE 8008]

i agree with that 150%

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[Allstarkaw]

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[CCDawgs]

Not difficult to do when you guys are in that area of the state. ;)

Thats was cold :notworthy


But I tallied up some interesting facts in the last 12 years just to compare friendly.

Wylie 81-61
6 playoff apperances
4 Regional Finals
1 Regional Championship
1 State Championship Apperance

Record Against the Centex 4-1(Lone loss to Temple)

Cove 121-29
10 Playoff Apperances
5 Regional Finals
3 Regional Championships
2 State Apperances

Record Against the DFW 18-3 (Losses to Wylie,Desoto,and the big Arlington Bowie upset)

[CCDawgs]

no kidding. its like you guys remind us every year that FOOTBALL SEASON IS ACTUALLY HERE! so thanks, i guess :D

then we manage to go on, go 10-0, win 81-3, almost break the school record for points in a season after just 10 games, then lose in the 1st round:(

10-1 every year is something to be proud off :D

[E-Vol-ution]

We had a decent year at 3-7 when you look at our history of 0 and 1 win seasons..........sure would like it if we scheduled each other still. The rabbit has a gun now...lol
Thats was cold :notworthy


But I tallied up some interesting facts in the last 12 years just to compare friendly.

Wylie 81-61
6 playoff apperances
4 Regional Finals
1 Regional Championship
1 State Championship Apperance

Record Against the Centex 4-1(Lone loss to Temple)

Cove 121-29
10 Playoff Apperances
5 Regional Finals
3 Regional Championships
2 State Apperances

Record Against the DFW 18-3 (Losses to Wylie,Desoto,and the big Arlington Bowie upset)

[Allstarkaw]

In your opinion, has Judson fell off the face of the earth due to the opening of a new school? or will they continue to be a playoff bound team?

[Fleeman93]

Katy.

[Allstarkaw]

Katy.
:confused:I don't understand?

[DawgDave]

In your opinion, has Judson fell off the face of the earth due to the opening of a new school? or will they continue to be a playoff bound team?
Yes. They may still sneak into a semi-final (Region IV is usually weak), but they are not nearly as good as they once were.

[farmerfan]

Nor by Wylie... matter of fact. I'd have to disagree and say that they are not at all underrated.

I agree with that. A lot of people think Wylie as a program is underrated and I also disagree with that statement. I think Wylie gets all the respect they are due and deserve. Same with Hebron. Hebron is a young program and has done a lot for such a young program but for the most part they are usually picked and given the respect that they deserve.

[HUM398]

:confused:I don't understand?

They're that good....that they are still underrated....:rolleyes:

[Allstarkaw]

I don't think they are but... is Wylie Underrated???

[BDB]

Katy.

wait what?

[farmerfan]

I don't think they are but... is Wylie Underrated???

No. Not at all. They are right where they should be as far as gaining the proper respect is concerned and where they are ranked.

[Allstarkaw]

What about Pearland?

[farmerfan]

What about Pearland?

Who are they?

;)

[Allstarkaw]

Who are they?

;)
Yeah they're underrated im my book.

[farmerfan]

Yeah they're underrated im my book.

would that be on a state wide or local basis?

[ftballin11]

would that be on a state wide or local basis?


Statewide, the rest of the state doesnt really know much about them because they can't make through the gauntlet that is Reg.3 div 1. Despite being one of the more consistant teams in the state. The team in 06' with Sam Proctor and Fozzy Whitaker was sick.

[Allstarkaw]

State-Wide...
I mean they are no Championship contenders but they don't recieve as much attention as much as say.... Wylie

Pearland is better than 70%-80% of 5A Teams...

[farmerfan]

Statewide, the rest of the state doesnt really know much about them because they can't make through the gauntlet that is Reg.3 div 1. Despite being one of the more consistant teams in the state. The team in 06' with Sam Proctor and Fozzy Whitaker was sick.

So had they had an easier road through the playoffs then you think thye probably would have advanced to a state game?

[farmerfan]

State-Wide...
I mean they are no Championship contenders but they don't recieve as much attention as much as say.... Wylie

Pearland is better than 70%-80% of 5A Teams...

Wylie's attention has been based over the last 8-9 months. Nothing huge before then. In fact I would say on this site that Pearland has received far more attention and respect than Wylie had up until the playoffs this past year.

[Allstarkaw]

so had they had an easier road through the playoffs then you think thye probably would have advanced to a state game?
easily

[ftballin11]

So had they had an easier road through the playoffs then you think thye probably would have advanced to a state game?

Higher chance yes. But they still have to win it.

Don't think I dont know where you are going. Let's keep this thread Katy free please. And you say I always try to argue about Katy.:rolleyes: What a hypocrite.

oh and no they would not have gotten past SV in 05', or 08'. I think they would have had a chance to win state in 06' against Chill.

[ftballin11]

easily


Actually Div 2 wasn't that bad until they took The cypress schools out of Reg. 3.

[farmerfan]

Higher chance yes. But they still have to win it.

Don't think I dont know where you are going. Let's keep this thread Katy free please. And you say I always try to argue about Katy.:rolleyes: What a hypocrite.

oh and know they would not have gotten past SV in 05', or 07'. I think they would have had a chance to win state in 06' against Chill.

You brought up their road in the playoffs. Not me.

They were division 1 in 06, not Division 2. They had no chance of playing CH.

[ftballin11]

You brought up their road in the playoffs. Not me.

They were division 1 in 06, not Division 2. They had no chance of playing CH.

Yes, if they were D2.

[farmerfan]

Yes, if they were D2.

So what happend against Westlake then? How about Cy Fair? They were only able to beat Cy Fair by a point. But somehow they would have had a great chance against Cedar Hill
Westlake was not in the same league as that Cedar Hill team.

[ftballin11]

So what happend against Westlake then? How about Cy Fair? They were only able to beat Cy Fair by a point. But somehow they would have had a great chance against Cedar Hill
Westlake was not in the same league as that Cedar Hill team.


I think they were. They gave SLC a damn good game. But thats beside the point we are getting off topic.

I was just backin the guy up who brought up pearland. They dont get the credit they deserve. They are probably the #3 program in Houston for the past 10 years. They are like a Hebron from DFW. They are still relatively unknown down here but are a very good program.

[farmerfan]

I think they were. They gave SLC a damn good game. But thats beside the point we are getting off topic.

I was just backin the guy up who brought up pearland. They dont get the credit they deserve. They are probably the #3 program in Houston for the past 10 years. They are like a Hebron from DFW. They are still relatively unknown down here but are a very good program.

Except Hebron has a state title to their credit and would not be considered a top 3 program up here. Nobody up here is really whining that Hebron is underated. THey are where they should be in regards to the recognition they receive. Same with Pearland.

Carroll won that game by 14 points. Westlake gave a great effort against Carroll but it was still a 14 point defecit. Westlake was not Cedar Hill. Not at all. Not even close. Carroll had their way with Westlake the entire second half.

[ftballin11]

Except Hebron has a state title to their credit and would not be considered a top 3 program up here. Nobody up here is really whining that Hebron is underated. THey are where they should be in regards to the recognition they receive. Same with Pearland.

Carroll won that game by 14 points. Westlake gave a great effort against Carroll but it was still a 14 point defecit. Westlake was not Cedar Hill. Not at all. Not even close. Carroll had their way with Westlake the entire second half.

closer than the score shows and you know it.

I was just using Hebron as an example. Dang. How about we use Allen before last year then. Because they were #3 with out a title. (at the time)

FF I like you man your allot of fun. Most people from DFW know nothing about Pearland, but if you bring up Katy or NS then they do. But in all reality Pearland really isn't that far behind NS in my opinion.

[Allstarkaw]

closer than the score shows and you know it.

I was just using Hebron as an example. Dang. How about we use Allen before last year then. Because they were #3 with out a title. (at the time)

FF I like you man your allot of fun. Most people from DFW know nothing about Pearland, but if you bring up Katy or NS then they do. But in all reality Pearland really isn't that far behind NS in my opinion.

If NS and Pearland played..
I think the score would be something like 24-13
NS

[farmerfan]

closer than the score shows and you know it.

I was just using Hebron as an example. Dang. How about we use Allen before last year then. Because they were #3 with out a title. (at the time)

FF I like you man your allot of fun. Most people from DFW know nothing about Pearland, but if you bring up Katy or NS then they do. But in all reality Pearland really isn't that far behind NS in my opinion.

The game was not as close as say the Trinity game was. The Carroll-Westlake game was a good one for the 1st 24 minutes, but when Westlake had to settle for what was it, 4 straight field goals to go up 12-0 then you knew they were in trouble. After that Carroll out scored Westlake what was it, 43-17? I am not buying the game being as close as some may think.

Pearland might not be that far behing North Shore now but without a title then they will not be either underrated or overrated. Same with Wylie and others. You can say you use Allen before last year but thats weak. You can't go back in time and take away from what Allen is now. Until Pearland gets a title or makes some noise outside of Region 3 then I do not think they fall in underrated.

[ftballin11]

The game was not as close as say the Trinity game was. The Carroll-Westlake game was a good one for the 1st 24 minutes, but when Westlake had to settle for what was it, 4 straight field goals to go up 12-0 then you knew they were in trouble. After that Carroll out scored Westlake what was it, 43-17? I am not buying the game being as close as some may think.

Pearland might not be that far behing North Shore now but without a title then they will not be either underrated or overrated. Same with Wylie and others. You can say you use Allen before last year but thats weak. You can't go back in time and take away from what Allen is now. Until Pearland gets a title or makes some noise outside of Region 3 then I do not think they fall in underrated.

I forgot who I'm talking to.:notworthy Title are the be all end all.:notworthy

Trinity and SLC were the two best teams in the state. IMO.

[farmerfan]

I forgot who I'm talking to.:notworthy Title are the be all end all.:notworthy

Trinity and SLC were the two best teams in the state. IMO.

I just wanted to show you that once Carroll got going that the game against Westlake was not as close as people think or remembered. Cedar Hill would have given both Trinity and Carroll a whale of a game had they been given the chance to play. There a lot of people who do not realize how good that Cedar Hill team was overall that year.
As for titles, why is it that Katy and Carroll are considered the teams of the decade again and not say a Trinity or North Shore?

[ftballin11]

I just wanted to show you that once Carroll got going that the game against Westlake was not as close as people think or remembered. Cedar Hill would have given both Trinity and Carroll a whale of a game had they been given the chance to play. There a lot of people who do not realize how good that Cedar Hill team was overall that year.
As for titles, why is it that Katy and Carroll are considered the teams of the decade again and not say a Trinity or North Shore?

Because they blow the other teams awya with title and wins.

Theres is difference between 4 titles and 1 or 2. Im just saying 1 title isn't necessarily gunna make me thin 1 program is better than the other just because they had a title. Especially if the other program has more win and other intangibles.

I mean 1 title could be due to a freakishly good athlete such as Cole or Benson. They may have a good program but a one in a life time athlete may put them over the top.

[farmerfan]

Because they blow the other teams awya with title and wins.

Theres is difference between 4 titles and 1 or 2. Im just saying 1 title isn't necessarily gunna make me thin 1 program is better than the other just because they had a title. Especially if the other program has more win and other intangibles.

I mean 1 title could be due to a freakishly good athlete such as Cole or Benson. They may have a good program but a one in a life time athlete may put them over the top.

So where do you draw the line on when titles mean something? Why is it that you can win 1 or 2 but it not put you over somebody with zero but the team with 4 is automatically is put ahead of the team with 2? That makes plenty of sense. If titles mean something for the team with 4 over the team with 2 then they mean something for the programs with 2 and 1 over those without one.

Midland Lee won 3 state titles. Did so with Jon Rodgers at QB for 2 of them. How come its just put on Benson as them winning those titles?
If you put "other intangibles" such as a talented player then maybe one needs to look at intangibles such as ease of road to a title as well:eek:

[ftballin11]

So where do you draw the line on when titles mean something? Why is it that you can win 1 or 2 but it not put you over somebody with zero but the team with 4 is automatically is put ahead of the team with 2? That makes plenty of sense. If titles mean something for the team with 4 over the team with 2 then they mean something for the programs with 2 and 1 over those without one. When you doing a team of the decade and a team with 4 titles and and far more wins than a team with 2 titles do the math. What I'm saying is a team that is separated with one title, but the team down a title had many more wins, than it is open for debate.

Midland Lee won 3 state titles. Did so with Jon Rodgers at QB for 2 of them. How come its just put on Benson as them winning those titles?
If you put "other intangibles" such as a talented player then maybe one needs to look at intangibles such as ease of road to a title as well:eek: They still gotta win the title.


I guess the Program just fell apart after Benson left, because they havent been relevant since, and weren't relevant before in the 90's.

[farmerfan]

I guess the Program just fell apart after Benson left, because they havent been relevant since, and weren't relevant before in the 90's.

They advanced to the regional finals after Benson left before falling to Fossil Ridge. Midland Lee was a SV type of program before 98 and had a run from 98-2000 that elevated them beyond that. Far from being a flash in the pan type.
Have they fallen on tough times since? Sure but why can't that be equted to coaching? They lost Parchman after the 2002 season and haven't been the same since he left. Maybe he was the staple of consistency for the progam and not Benson.

[AE 8008]

10-1 every year is something to be proud off :D

sure if you're satisfied with less

[Allstarkaw]

Woodlands, Cinco??....

[farmerfan]

Woodlands, Cinco??....

I think Cinco's success is too young to be measured in the underrated or overrated category. Give it some more time before we can measure that one.
The Woodlands went what was it, 3-8 just 2 years ago?

[Allstarkaw]

I think Cinco's success is too young to be measured in the underrated or overrated category. Give it some more time before we can measure that one.
The Woodlands went what was it, 3-8 just 2 years ago?
They've improved drastically..
I guess only time will tell if they are legitimate..

[BackNBlack97]

They advanced to the regional finals after Benson left before falling to Fossil Ridge. Midland Lee was a SV type of program before 98 and had a run from 98-2000 that elevated them beyond that. Far from being a flash in the pan type.
Have they fallen on tough times since? Sure but why can't that be equted to coaching? They lost Parchman after the 2002 season and haven't been the same since he left. Maybe he was the staple of consistency for the progam and not Benson.

Parchman saw the writing on the wall and left... Midland High started getting alot of the talent post 2000, that's how they ended up in a state title game in 2002... Lots of bad politics going on in Midland also... Quisenberry was a quality coach, but had to fight the people who weren't happy with his hire, and it was an uphill battle for his entire tenure... When you are being sabotaged by the district, it's hard to win... Also, Lee has made the playoffs in 24/26 seasons, and will be in the playoff hunt again this season... They did this in one of the most competitive districts, in the strongest region in the state... Over that span, every team but Midland High won at least 1 district championship...

[ftballin11]

I think Cinco's success is too young to be measured in the underrated or overrated category. Give it some more time before we can measure that one.
The Woodlands went what was it, 3-8 just 2 years ago?

Agreed, this is a very telling year for Cinco. Are they going to reload and take the next step. Or are they gunna have a down year.

Woodz, IMO continues to be the most underachieving program in Houston. Endless supplies, facilities, community support, talent. If they had a coach worth anything they could be a premier team in Houston.

[ftballin11]

They've improved drastically..
I guess only time will tell if they are legitimate..


I would say woodz regressed over the course of the season. But they would always be talented.

[F18mustang]

Parchman saw the writing on the wall and left... Midland High started getting alot of the talent post 2000, that's how they ended up in a state title game in 2002... Lots of bad politics going on in Midland also... Quisenberry was a quality coach, but had to fight the people who weren't happy with his hire, and it was an uphill battle for his entire tenure... When you are being sabotaged by the district, it's hard to win... Also, Lee has made the playoffs in 24/26 seasons, and will be in the playoff hunt again this season... They did this in one of the most competitive districts, in the strongest region in the state... Over that span, every team but Midland High won at least 1 district championship...

Not really.


Hopefully Morton will turn things around there. From what I hear the people really like him.

[farmerfan]

Parchman saw the writing on the wall and left... Midland High started getting alot of the talent post 2000, that's how they ended up in a state title game in 2002... Lots of bad politics going on in Midland also... Quisenberry was a quality coach, but had to fight the people who weren't happy with his hire, and it was an uphill battle for his entire tenure... When you are being sabotaged by the district, it's hard to win... Also, Lee has made the playoffs in 24/26 seasons, and will be in the playoff hunt again this season... They did this in one of the most competitive districts, in the strongest region in the state... Over that span, every team but Midland High won at least 1 district championship...

You know Midland Christian started getting some great kids in their school around that time. I know Jamie Bighley at QB was a stud as well as Tony Joseph at RB. I believe Joseph transfered over to MC in 2001 from Lee. Its a shame that politics have played the hand they have out in West Texas. I know Permian had to battle that same card in the 90's. Parchman had some good teams out at Lee. I remember when Lewisville went out to Midland to play Lee in the 93 regional semis, Lee came in 10-1-1 tieing Permian that year and we were able to beat Lee 44-30 in a very hard fought football game. I was nervous as hell that whole week and I was only 11 at the time. If you want to trace back the passing of the torch from West Texas to the Metroplex IMO it started with Lewisville that year going out to Midland to beat Lee and then beating Cooper the following week at Tx Stadium. Since then the Metroplex has been on a state championship tear ;)

[farmerfan]

Agreed, this is a very telling year for Cinco. Are they going to reload and take the next step. Or are they gunna have a down year.

Woodz, IMO continues to be the most underachieving program in Houston. Endless supplies, facilities, community support, talent. If they had a coach worth anything they could be a premier team in Houston.

Mark it.

10:58 PM on Sunday July whatever 2009 :notworthy

[BackNBlack97]

You know Midland Christian started getting some great kids in their school around that time. I know Jamie Bighley at QB was a stud as well as Tony Joseph at RB. I believe Joseph transfered over to MC in 2001 from Lee. Its a shame that politics have played the hand they have out in West Texas. I know Permian had to battle that same card in the 90's. Parchman had some good teams out at Lee. I remember when Lewisville went out to Midland to play Lee in the 93 regional semis, Lee came in 10-1-1 tieing Permian that year and we were able to beat Lee 44-30 in a very hard fought football game. I was nervous as hell that whole week and I was only 11 at the time. If you want to trace back the passing of the torch from West Texas to the Metroplex IMO it started with Lewisville that year going out to Midland to beat Lee and then beating Cooper the following week at Tx Stadium. Since then the Metroplex has been on a state championship tear ;)

Since then there have still been 6 West Texas Finals appearances, and 3 championships... I think that West Texas can still compete with the metroplex any given year, and Permian should get over the hump soon... When you compare, there's no DFW district to have the spread of teams that the old LSWC had, when Abilene High and Cooper were in the district with Permian, OHS, Lee and Midland... 4 of those teams made up the 6 finals appearances, with only OHS and Abilene managing no appearances recently :p... Quality from top to bottom! If only Cooper could come back to 5a and reuinte the old LSWC for the next realignment!

[F18mustang]

Since then there have still been 6 West Texas Finals appearances, and 3 championships... I think that West Texas can still compete with the metroplex any given year, and Permian should get over the hump soon... When you compare, there's no DFW district to have the spread of teams that the old LSWC had, when Abilene High and Cooper were in the district with Permian, OHS, Lee and Midland... 4 of those teams made up the 6 finals appearances, with only OHS and Abilene managing no appearances recently :p... Quality from top to bottom! If only Cooper could come back to 5a and reuinte the old LSWC for the next realignment!

Keep trying, Cooper can come back but in 2010 Amarillo will probably be 4A.

[farmerfan]

Since then there have still been 6 West Texas Finals appearances, and 3 championships... I think that West Texas can still compete with the metroplex any given year, and Permian should get over the hump soon... When you compare, there's no DFW district to have the spread of teams that the old LSWC had, when Abilene High and Cooper were in the district with Permian, OHS, Lee and Midland... 4 of those teams made up the 6 finals appearances, with only OHS and Abilene managing no appearances recently :p... Quality from top to bottom! If only Cooper could come back to 5a and reuinte the old LSWC for the next realignment!

No doubt man. The old LSWC will probably rank as the all time greatest district this state has ever known. The numbers you guys put up in that time frame are unreal:notworthy
I just wanted to point out the significance of Lewisville winning that year because if you look at it here is what the metroplex has done since 93
Lewisivlle 93
Plano 94
Lewisville 96
Marcus 97
Duncanville 98
Garland 99
Mesquite 01
Carroll 02
Carroll 04
Carroll and TRrinity 05
Carroll and Cedar Hill 06
Trinity 07
Allen 08
Prior to that year you had not seen a metroplex team win a state title since Plano did in 1987.
I am one who loves the West Texas district and what they have done. It was big deal when a metroplex team beat you guys. You guys have a special place in our great history. I hope that Permian can find their way back to the top too. It only seems right to have Permian at the top of their game :notworthy

[Bass]

So where do you draw the line on when titles mean something? Why is it that you can win 1 or 2 but it not put you over somebody with zero but the team with 4 is automatically is put ahead of the team with 2? That makes plenty of sense. If titles mean something for the team with 4 over the team with 2 then they mean something for the programs with 2 and 1 over those without one.

Midland Lee won 3 state titles. Did so with Jon Rodgers at QB for 2 of them. How come its just put on Benson as them winning those titles?
If you put "other intangibles" such as a talented player then maybe one needs to look at intangibles such as ease of road to a title as well:eek:

When a program doesn't build on them (it). Looking back, six years removed, North Shore's title didn't do anything for them. They're in the exact same spot now as they were in 2002. Pearland, without a title, hasn't fallen off the map either. They're consistent (at whatever it is they do...) year in and year out. North Shore's easily the better program when looking at regular season and playoff success, but to say the title is what separates them is wrong to me.

I don't think Pearland is underrated, and they're not underappreciated. They're just... there.

[Allstarkaw]

When a program doesn't build on them (it). Looking back, six years removed, North Shore's title didn't do anything for them. They're in the exact same spot now as they were in 2002. Pearland, without a title, hasn't fallen off the map either. They're consistent (at whatever it is they do...) year in and year out. North Shore's easily the better program when looking at regular season and playoff success, but to say the title is what separates them is wrong to me.

I don't think Pearland is underrated, and they're not underappreciated. They're just... there.
That's where you're wrong...
Pearland is underrated... you know, there is such thing as being underrated and not having a title...;)

[Bass]

That's where you're wrong...
Pearland is underrated... you know, there is such thing as being underrated and not having a title...;)

They'd be underrated if they came out upsetting favorites every year or exceeding expectations. They beat North Shore in 2006 and then lost to Westlake in the semis. I'd say that balances out that season; win one, lose the other.

Other than that, they've just been consistent at three-games-and-out in the playoffs. No one starts the season looking to Pearland.

[farmerfan]

They'd be underrated if they came out upsetting favorites every year or exceeding expectations. They beat North Shore in 2006 and then lost to Westlake in the semis. I'd say that balances out that season; win one, lose the other.

Other than that, they've just been consistent at three-games-and-out in the playoffs. No one starts the season looking to Pearland.

Will it cause a war if I say we agree?;):D

[SLC]

They'd be underrated if they came out upsetting favorites every year or exceeding expectations. They beat North Shore in 2006 and then lost to Westlake in the semis. I'd say that balances out that season; win one, lose the other.

Other than that, they've just been consistent at three-games-and-out in the playoffs. No one starts the season looking to Pearland.


Agree 100%.

[Bass]

Will it cause a war if I say we agree?;):D

You'll have to PM me. I can't have... them... seeing this.

:laugh

[ftballin11]

You'll have to PM me. I can't have... them... seeing this.

:laugh

I know right, how is it possible that FF agreed with 2 Katy fans in the same day. Man we'll have him drinkin the Koolaide in no time.

[farmerfan]

I know right, how is it possible that FF agreed with 2 Katy fans in the same day. Man we'll have him drinkin the Koolaide in no time.

Toast Budweiser then. God Knows you all do not drink that down there in the filthy watah!:D

[Wypirates03]

Thats was cold :notworthy


But I tallied up some interesting facts in the last 12 years just to compare friendly.

Wylie 81-61
6 playoff apperances
4 Regional Finals
1 Regional Championship
1 State Championship Apperance

Record Against the Centex 4-1(Lone loss to Temple)

Cove 121-29
10 Playoff Apperances
5 Regional Finals
3 Regional Championships
2 State Apperances

Record Against the DFW 18-3 (Losses to Wylie,Desoto,and the big Arlington Bowie upset)

You proved my point. Thanks you

[bowiedawgs01]

If we could win a playoff game maybe we could be underrated.

:Censor::D

[cougmantx]

I'm not trying to come off offensive but...

What attracts you people to become a :Censor: fan of the Texans?!?..


Just curious..

No but seriously..


Guys like you, Jerry Jones and the cast of self destructive characters he puts on the field...:D

[Allstarkaw]

Guys like you, Jerry Jones and the cast of self destructive characters he puts on the field...:D
Well what's mind-boggling to me is that the Texans owner has the highest payed QB on their team:Censor::Censor::Censor:....

FOR WHAT!!! He hasn't done JACK SQUAT!...

Then they Passed on Reggie and Vince.. that just burned my beans...

I gave up on them from that point on...

[ftballin11]

Well what's mind-boggling to me is that the Texans owner has the highest payed QB on their team:Censor::Censor::Censor:....

FOR WHAT!!! He hasn't done JACK SQUAT!...

Then they Passed on Reggie and Vince.. that just burned my beans...

I gave up on them from that point on...




Are you saying you would rather have reggie bust, or mama's boy young, over Mario Williams:rolleyes:


The Texans had the #3 offense in the league last year but ok what ever you say. Keep picking up pac man Jones, TO, and Tank Johnsons, since that has worked out.:rolleyes:

[Allstarkaw]

Are you saying you would rather have reggie bust, or mama's boy young, over Mario Williams:rolleyes:


The Texans had the #3 offense in the league last year but ok what ever you say. Keep picking up pac man Jones, TO, and Tank Johnsons, since that has worked out.:rolleyes:
#3 Offense doesn't produce a #3 TEAM!

[ftballin11]

#3 Offense doesn't produce a #3 TEAM!

You were raggin on schaub. I'm pretty sure that your QB has to be pretty good to have the number 3 offense.

[E-Vol-ution]

How in the world did the Texans have the number 3 offense? In terms of what? :confused: Are you saying you would rather have reggie bust, or mama's boy young, over Mario Williams:rolleyes:


The Texans had the #3 offense in the league last year but ok what ever you say. Keep picking up pac man Jones, TO, and Tank Johnsons, since that has worked out.:rolleyes:

[Allstarkaw]

You were raggin on schaub. I'm pretty sure that your QB has to be pretty good to have the number 3 offense.

Yeah but he's not OVERPAID, Jerry Jones might pick up troublemakers....

But everyone knows he is one of the best owners in the biz...

The Texans are backwards...the picked up a linebacker in the 1st round when Linebacker was already a strength on the team...

It would have been understandable to pick up a safety or O-lineman but a LINEBACKER?...

[Allstarkaw]

How in the world did the Texans have the number 3 offense? In terms of what? :confused:
:confused: Yeah im trying to figure that one out..

Maybe #3 in their Division!...:notworthy

[BackNBlack97]

No doubt man. The old LSWC will probably rank as the all time greatest district this state has ever known. The numbers you guys put up in that time frame are unreal:notworthy
I just wanted to point out the significance of Lewisville winning that year because if you look at it here is what the metroplex has done since 93
Lewisivlle 93
Plano 94
Lewisville 96
Marcus 97
Duncanville 98
Garland 99
Mesquite 01
Carroll 02
Carroll 04
Carroll and TRrinity 05
Carroll and Cedar Hill 06
Trinity 07
Allen 08
Prior to that year you had not seen a metroplex team win a state title since Plano did in 1987.
I am one who loves the West Texas district and what they have done. It was big deal when a metroplex team beat you guys. You guys have a special place in our great history. I hope that Permian can find their way back to the top too. It only seems right to have Permian at the top of their game :notworthy

It's the diversity out west that just adds to R1's strength... I think with Gaines at the helm, he will know how to coach the boys up and get them over that third round hurdle... They have the same systems in place, half of the coaches are still here from last year, and the talent base is supposed to be as good on offense and better on defense... I just hope they stay in reload mode and the guys downtown don't screw the program over again like they did back in the late 90s...

[E-Vol-ution]

In regular season, they actually were in total offense.....following the Saints and Broncos........ :confused: Yeah im trying to figure that one out..

Maybe #3 in their Division!...:notworthy

[BackNBlack97]

:confused: Yeah im trying to figure that one out..

Maybe #3 in their Division!...:notworthy

They were #3 in yards/game, #4 in passing yards/game, and #17 in SCORING... I think Scoring is generally what really matters... You can drive down the field and fumble/throw an int/turn it over on downs every drive but you don't win unless your score is bigger than their score... The Texans averaged 22.9 and gave up 24.6... On a side note the Cowboys averaged 22.6 and gave up 22.8... And played 3 games with Brad "Can't throw it 10 yards" Johnson at the helm...

[ftballin11]

Yeah but he's not OVERPAID, Jerry Jones might pick up troublemakers....

But everyone knows he is one of the best owners in the biz...

The Texans are backwards...the picked up a linebacker in the 1st round when Linebacker was already a strength on the team...

It would have been understandable to pick up a safety or O-lineman but a LINEBACKER?...


WOW, you live in Houston and think the Texans strength was at LineBacker:rolleyes:

You sir no nothing about the Texans. Safety was an option but there wasn't one good enough at our spot to pick..

[HUM398]

WOW, you live in Houston and think the Texans strength was at LineBacker:rolleyes:

You sir no nothing about the Texans. Safety was an option but there wasn't one good enough at our spot to pick..

it actually was one of our stronger units.

Do you know why they picked Cushings? Because he can drop down to DE, or an added pass rusher due to his size. He is perfect for what they wanted to do pass rushing wise.

We weren't so incredibly depleted at LB that we needed a new one, We just needed a great pash rusher...Had Orakpo Been sitting there, we would of picked him up. They were looking at DE until they signed Antonio Smith...Now they needed a Pass Rusher to complement Williams and Smith...and who is better then a super human LB? Its one of those players you can't really pass up.

If i had to assess the Texans needs toady...its at Corner and Saftey...and possibly DT if Okeye doesn't improve.

[KT2000]

This would be on the Main Board right? Or did I take a wrong turn? :)

[ftballin11]

it actually was one of our stronger units.

Do you know why they picked Cushings? Because he can drop down to DE, or an added pass rusher due to his size. He is perfect for what they wanted to do pass rushing wise.

We weren't so incredibly depleted at LB that we needed a new one, We just needed a great pash rusher...Had Orakpo Been sitting there, we would of picked him up. They were looking at DE until they signed Antonio Smith...Now they needed a Pass Rusher to complement Williams and Smith...and who is better then a super human LB? Its one of those players you can't really pass up.

If i had to assess the Texans needs toady...its at Corner and Saftey...and possibly DT if Okeye doesn't improve.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTFwAxfHgSA

Wow not even close. They got connar Barwin to play opposite of Mario williams, and move Antonio smith to the inside. Cushing was go to play Sam and Sam only, to boulster our pathetic run defense, because moron Greenwood was terrible.

They picked up 3 DB's in the draft so I'm pretty sure they are taking care of the secondary.

They also picked up Cato June to help add depth or compete for a stating job last year. They had no depth at Line backer and the one's that started were avg. Including Demeco Ryans (due to his injury).

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

They were #3 in yards/game, #4 in passing yards/game, and #17 in SCORING... I think Scoring is generally what really matters... You can drive down the field and fumble/throw an int/turn it over on downs every drive but you don't win unless your score is bigger than their score... The Texans averaged 22.9 and gave up 24.6... On a side note the Cowboys averaged 22.6 and gave up 22.8... And played 3 games with Brad "Can't throw it 10 yards" Johnson at the helm...

And, the 'Boys offensive line couldn't block a 7th grade b team's defensive line.

[bowiedawgs01]

First of all, who gives a crap about the Texans?

Second, how did this thread turn into an NFL discussion?

Thirdly, who gives a crap about the Texans?

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

First of all, who gives a crap about the Texans?

Second, how did this thread turn into an NFL discussion?

Thirdly, who gives a crap about the Texans?

The dude with Warren Moon in his avatar brung it up.

Texans are my number 2 team, behind the Texans. I don't go against my home state!

[bowiedawgs01]

I've disliked that team since they announced their name. It irks me that they call themselves Texans like they're THE team in the state or something.

I don't pay much attention to them otherwise.

But now I'm getting sucked in. Dang it.



Underrated HIGH SCHOOL teams of 2009... Go!

[biggolfdad]

i would agree with Cove. Are they still playing Abilene in a scrimmage every year?


They scrimmage in cove next month..

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

I've disliked that team since they announced their name. It irks me that they call themselves Texans like they're THE team in the state or something.

I don't pay much attention to them otherwise.

But now I'm getting sucked in. Dang it.



Underrated HIGH SCHOOL teams of 2009... Go!

Watch this;

HIGHLAND PARK!

[E-Vol-ution]

Aw Bro.....that's like saying "CANDYMAN" three times!:eek:
Watch this;

HIGHLAND PARK!

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

Aw Bro.....that's like saying "CANDYMAN" three times!:eek:

I know! That's why I did it!:D

I don't do it all the time but, I have my moments of instigating. I'm bored!

[bowiedawgs01]

Watch this;

HIGHLAND PARK!


Definitely underrated.



:Music

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

Definitely underrated.



:Music

Damn, and it would be time for me to go to work. LOL!

Just make sure that you, GoOwls, grayowl, and Scottie don't get the thread locked before I get back.

Y'all have fun!:D

[BDB]

Watch this;

HIGHLAND PARK!

in before the lock :laugh

[BackNBlack97]

Watch this;

HIGHLAND PARK!

Not underrated... Just sad... And I can guarantee without a shadow of a doubt they won't win a 5a state championship this year so lets move on... This year, Midland High may be underrated... I heard Katy was pretty underrated though... It's probably because they suit up 75 5th graders, who are just so superbly coached they can beat the Houston Texans... :ninja:

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

Not underrated... Just sad... And I can guarantee without a shadow of a doubt they won't win a 5a state championship this year so lets move on... This year, Midland High may be underrated... I heard Katy was pretty underrated though... It's probably because they suit up 75 5th graders, who are just so superbly coached they can beat the Houston Texans... :ninja:

:laughI knew it'd get somebody.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

in before the lock :laugh

Couldn't help myself.:D

[BackNBlack97]

:laughI knew it'd get somebody.

I just didn't want to listen to scottie or scottie2!

[bowiedawgs01]

To be honest, I didn't even know who HP was until about 2004 or 2005 when I met my friend. That's when I started hearing about their history and looking it up myself. That's also about the time I started noticing the almost non-stop trashing of HP. I didn't understand it. I've been to a couple of HP games since then and never noticed any behavior that would incite such trash talk. That's why I'll jump in the middle of the discussions. People trash HP for reasons outside their control.

Now, if someone wants to say they were treated rudely by fans of HP and because of that they don't like them, that's fine. I can say the same for just about every team Bowie has played. That's your right. But when the other baseless attacks start flying is when I like to jump in.

Oh, and the fact that I never knew who HP was before 2004 really irks my friend who thinks HP is the greatest ever and expects everyone to know who they are. haha

I'm cheering for HP to win the 4A title not just because they're my friend's team, but because I would love to see the spin machine in full force on this site from a few people. :D

[grayowl60]

Not underrated... Just sad... And I can guarantee without a shadow of a doubt they won't win a 5a state championship this year so lets move on... This year, Midland High may be underrated... I heard Katy was pretty underrated though... It's probably because they suit up 75 5th graders, who are just so superbly coached they can beat the Houston Texans... :ninja:
Thats right, its not likely HP will win a 5A championship. Oh but wait! They WILL play a 5A team this year. Coppell. So they can stay a storied program!
"everybody else is sceered"...:rolleyes:

[BackNBlack97]

To be honest, I didn't even know who HP was until about 2004 or 2005 when I met my friend. That's when I started hearing about their history and looking it up myself. That's also about the time I started noticing the almost non-stop trashing of HP. I didn't understand it. I've been to a couple of HP games since then and never noticed any behavior that would incite such trash talk. That's why I'll jump in the middle of the discussions. People trash HP for reasons outside their control.

Now, if someone wants to say they were treated rudely by fans of HP and because of that they don't like them, that's fine. I can say the same for just about every team Bowie has played. That's your right. But when the other baseless attacks start flying is when I like to jump in.

Oh, and the fact that I never knew who HP was before 2004 really irks my friend who thinks HP is the greatest ever and expects everyone to know who they are. haha

I'm cheering for HP to win the 4A title not just because they're my friend's team, but because I would love to see the spin machine in full force on this site from a few people. :D

U should enlighten your friend and let him know that Permian is definitely a more storied program ;) And has a winning record against HP...

[E-Vol-ution]

All that being said.....I'm just not fascinated still.:cool:That's the point.
To be honest, I didn't even know who HP was until about 2004 or 2005 when I met my friend. That's when I started hearing about their history and looking it up myself. That's also about the time I started noticing the almost non-stop trashing of HP. I didn't understand it. I've been to a couple of HP games since then and never noticed any behavior that would incite such trash talk. That's why I'll jump in the middle of the discussions. People trash HP for reasons outside their control.

Now, if someone wants to say they were treated rudely by fans of HP and because of that they don't like them, that's fine. I can say the same for just about every team Bowie has played. That's your right. But when the other baseless attacks start flying is when I like to jump in.

Oh, and the fact that I never knew who HP was before 2004 really irks my friend who thinks HP is the greatest ever and expects everyone to know who they are. haha

I'm cheering for HP to win the 4A title not just because they're my friend's team, but because I would love to see the spin machine in full force on this site from a few people. :D

[bowiedawgs01]

U should enlighten your friend and let him know that Permian is definitely a more storied program ;) And has a winning record against HP...

Oh, he knows HP is 0-2 vs. Permian, and he hates it.

[grayowl60]

U should enlighten your friend and let him know that Permian is definitely a more storied program ;) And has a winning record against HP...
How many titles does Permian have? And has never played in anything OTHER than the largest classification:rolleyes:...:notworthy

[CCParent]

I can say the same for just about every team Bowie has played. That's your right. But when the other baseless attacks start flying is when I like to jump in.
Does that include us?:D

[CCParent]

I can say the same for just about every team Bowie has played. That's your right. But when the other baseless attacks start flying is when I like to jump in.
Does that include us?:D:eek:

[bowiedawgs01]

I said "just about." :D

Connally is alright in my book...for now.

[Hammeroftruth]

Not difficult to do when you guys are in that area of the state. ;)
Actually, if you look at Cove's playoff record, they do pretty well against teams from other areas of the state.

[Wypirates03]

Actually, if you look at Cove's playoff record, they do pretty well against teams from other areas of the state.

Holy....

I guess I won't put any more smilies since obviously sarcasm is not easily detected. Might as well just keep taking the haymakers when I post stuff. lol

[Hammeroftruth]

Holy....

I guess I won't put any more smilies since obviously sarcasm is not easily detected. Might as well just keep taking the haymakers when I post stuff. lol
I guess it's my fault for being ignorant of the fact that a smily represents sarcasm. I'm so used to people trash-talking Cove that I really didn't expect someone, especially a Wylie fan, to only pretend to talk trash about Cove. So, Wypirates, do you have any real respect for Cove?

[Warbird]

As far as i know we still scrimmage them. Abilene is a great scrimmage to see where we are. Even tho we run them off the field everytime :D

*Cough07Cough*;)

[LoboBooster73]

I'm cheering for HP to win the 4A title not just because they're my friend's team, but because I would love to see the spin machine in full force on this site from a few people. :D

I was rooting for HP last year against Waco Midway. I had a Longview/HP matchup penciled on my calendar most of last season. HP just couldn't hold up their end of the deal. IMO, D1 Region 2 winner would have been same. I hope they can make it that far this year.

[bowiedawgs01]

I was at that Midway/HP game. HP played their worst game of the season. Of course, some of that credit goes to Midway's defense. But HP just looked sloppy out there. It was disappointing to see them go out that way. And they still made a comeback to lose by only 5.

[E-Vol-ution]

Anyway....(getting back to 5A), do many posters feel depth in a district or region is many times a cause for a team to be underrated? Likewise, a lack of depth in a district or region causes the adverse or penchant to be overrated?

[bowiedawgs01]

Abilene has no competition in district, and we saw what happened last year.

But for years Westlake had no competition in district either, and they would always make deep runs. Granted, they just had to get past a couple of SA teams and then beat up on the valley to go deep. But those SA teams are tough as hell, so you can't write off Wlake's success totally.

I agree for the most part though. A stacked district will beat up on itself, but will then beat up on other districts come playoff time.

[CCDawgs]

*Cough07Cough*;)
cough03cough04cough05cough06cough08cough:notworthy

[Warbird]

*Coughyourstatementwasfactuallyincorrectyoumustnot 'vebeentherein07*

I need a decongestant. :D

[mojotrain]

How many titles does Permian have? And has never played in anything OTHER than the largest classification:rolleyes:...:notworthy

Thats my line!:)

[CCDawgs]

*Coughyourstatementwasfactuallyincorrectyoumustnot 'vebeentherein07*

I need a decongestant. :D

CoughitwasajokeCough :D

But on the better side, i love scrimmaging Abilene every year! Its a great team to see where we stand at. Since we never play anyone in pre district play :eek:

[AE 8008]

Abilene has no competition in district, and we saw what happened last year.

But for years Westlake had no competition in district either, and they would always make deep runs. Granted, they just had to get past a couple of SA teams and then beat up on the valley to go deep. But those SA teams are tough as hell, so you can't write off Wlake's success totally.

I agree for the most part though. A stacked district will beat up on itself, but will then beat up on other districts come playoff time.


i honestly do not like Abilene's new district...not just all the history that is gone from the LSWC, but that the competition does not prepare them at all for the playoffs. I'm hoping Abilene schedules a couple powerhouses for preseason after the next realignment. Blowouts actually mightve become to commonplace...so who knows, maybe the 1st round exit is what they needed to get a wake up call and something to push the program into overachieving mode. I think Abilene is right where they need to be right now...in the 11-15 range. The offense has enough explosive and "big play" athletes to make the team top 10 caliber, but i want to see how the defense plays this year without Chris Williams. Defense has usually been the Eagles' strong point going into the past seasons, but this year it has switched with the offense.

[Allstarkaw]

The Woodlands Highlanders.

[CoppellCowboy57]

You know I ushally I wouldnt throw Coppell in this underrated catagory, but this year I really feel that Coppell could be one of the Top teams in 5A but we will see has they push through the 6-5A Gauntlet.

[TigerHat]

Actually on topic: how about Spring Westfield.

[vtwinwilly]

I'm not trying to come off offensive but...

What attracts you people to become a :Censor: fan of the Texans?!?..


Just curious..

No but seriously..
The Texans don't have Jerry Jones!:eek:


I know... already discussed... I'm a little late to the game. Truth is... I quit following pro-ball years ago and Jerry Jones was one of the reason.

[mcamp002]

Wylie was in 2008...I'm sure they won't be in 2009!

Don't be so sure...see the post above about Cove...lol:)

[Magellan]

Actually on topic: how about Spring Westfield.

As much as I love when the Mustangs get love, I don't think they're underrated after that earthquake of jaws dropping when Sam Khan mentioned the 67 points on his blog.

[Allstarkaw]

Actually on topic: how about Spring Westfield.
Not In My Book...

[Allstarkaw]

At This Point in the Season who isn't Getting Enough Pub?...

[rodjohns]

At This Point in the Season who isn't Getting Enough Pub?...


Klein and Klein Collins They play Friday night at Klein Memorial and are both 3-0.

[teXan]

The Woodlands Highlanders.

How is TWHS underrated? IMHO, they're appropriately placed on just about every poll I've seen. I wouldn't put them at the top of any list but, as some have suggested *coughskylinecough*, they don't belong below where they are, either.

Until the defense does a better job at plugging some holes, I think they're rated unequivocally in the right spot.

[E-Vol-ution]

I guess since we're not picked to win district we're underrated. :)

[Allstarkaw]

Congragulations To The Klein Bearkats..

Coming Out Of One Of The Most Evenly Matched Districts In The State, They Quieted Doubters and Made A Successful Run In The Playoffs....

They Proved To Be Underestimatred and Underrated...