El Paso

[CLFalcon2006]

Just why is El Paso so bad? It's a big city, nearly 500,000 maybe more. There has to be some talent, some coaches out there worth something? Permian, Midland, Midland Lee, all those west texas school have proven time and time again that there is talent out there and u can win. Why doesnt El Paso have one dominate team that can compete on every level, Dallas-Ft. Worth has SLC, San Antonio has SV, and Houston has Katy, whats the deal with El Paso?

[lonny23]

Just why is El Paso so bad? It's a big city, nearly 500,000 maybe more. There has to be some talent, some coaches out there worth something? Permian, Midland, Midland Lee, all those west texas school have proven time and time again that there is talent out there and u can win. Why doesnt El Paso have one dominate team that can compete on every level, Dallas-Ft. Worth has SLC, San Antonio has SV, and Houston has Katy, whats the deal with El Paso?I just don't think they have enough top skill-position players. They struggle like South Texas does.

[rellufnalla]

Texas is big. Drive to El Paso from anywhere else in Texas to get a sense of how big. EP is out there on the other side of hells half acre all by it's lonesome. EP doesn't have the big suburban enclaves that other cities have. It is a big town surrounded (along the Rio Grande) by border towns that support trade and manufacturing in and from Mexico. There is absolutely nothing north of I-10 to the east for miles save a few trees and lots of rocks and cactus. El Paso has a beauty of it's own that more closely resembles what most people who've never been to think Texas probably looks like. I feel like John Wayne just bein' there.

I might have a hard time trying to keep my focus on football with all that vastness and beauty around me.

[SeguinMatadors]

Just why is El Paso so bad? It's a big city, nearly 500,000 maybe more. There has to be some talent, some coaches out there worth something? Permian, Midland, Midland Lee, all those west texas school have proven time and time again that there is talent out there and u can win. Why doesnt El Paso have one dominate team that can compete on every level, Dallas-Ft. Worth has SLC, San Antonio has SV, and Houston has Katy, whats the deal with El Paso?

Same problem South Texas has... the majority of the population is Hispanic. I don't think I need to explain the relevance of that but if I need to... let me know.

[yankee]

Same problem South Texas has... the majority of the population is Hispanic. I don't think I need to explain the relevance of that but if I need to... let me know.
hahahah. low blow.

[SeguinMatadors]

hahahah. low blow.

lmao... as funny as that is... I didn't mean it as an insult.. it is just the truth.

[biglee2007]

ya nothing against hispanics but i go to a mostly hispanic school and well lets just say they not so great in football lol

[yankee]

ya nothing against hispanics but i go to a mostly hispanic school and well lets just say they not so great in football lol
most of them should stick to baseball. they dominate in that sport...

[SeguinMatadors]

most of them should stick to baseball. they dominate in that sport...

Or Futbol.

[CLFalcon2006]

Same problem South Texas has... the majority of the population is Hispanic. I don't think I need to explain the relevance of that but if I need to... let me know.

Ok then why doesnt the valley or El Paso absolutley dominate soccer then?

[SeguinMatadors]

Ok then why doesnt the valley or El Paso absolutley dominate soccer then?

Beats me. I can't say I know a single thing about soccer. In fact, I didn't know one soccer player in HS or if they ever made the playoffs. I just really hate the sport.

[CLFalcon2006]

Beats me. I can't say I know a single thing about soccer. In fact, I didn't know one soccer player in HS or if they ever made the playoffs. I just really hate the sport.

The only thing about HS soccer I know is stuff about Lake, and even then my knowlege is pretty sketchy...

[SeguinMatadors]

The only thing about HS soccer I know is stuff about Lake, and even then my knowlege is pretty sketchy...

I went to a few girls soccer games during HS. As a guy, it is just one of those things you had to do every now and then.

[lonny23]

OK, I'll say it. Your typically poorer districts and towns don't have the money support to have real good teams. We all know some people/races typically are better suited for certain positions than others are. The Hispanic towns don't have enough diversity to get the football players they need to win deep in the playoffs.

[SeguinMatadors]

OK, I'll say it. Your typically poorer districts and towns don't have the money support to have real good teams. We all know some people/races typically are better suited for certain positions than others are. The Hispanic towns don't have enough diversity to get the football players they need to win deep in the playoffs.

You put that nicely. If I were to say it... it would have sounded a lot worse than that.

[rellufnalla]

El Paso is not poor by any means or measure. The city is home to a wealth of businessmen who own and manage international operations. The school districts in EP proper are not short of funds and neither are the parents of the students who would participate in the football programs.

It has more to do with where, what and who El Paso is compared to the rest of Texas. No big blue collar in EP - that's across the border. It makes a difference because the attitude is different.

[Slim-Rob]

Just why is El Paso so bad? It's a big city, nearly 500,000 maybe more. There has to be some talent, some coaches out there worth something? Permian, Midland, Midland Lee, all those west texas school have proven time and time again that there is talent out there and u can win. Why doesnt El Paso have one dominate team that can compete on every level, Dallas-Ft. Worth has SLC, San Antonio has SV, and Houston has Katy, whats the deal with El Paso?

Judson...

I agree with Seguin (probably for the first time). Not meant to offend, but its the truth.

[rancher52]

El Paso is not poor by any means or measure. The city is home to a wealth of businessmen who own and manage international operations. The school districts in EP proper are not short of funds and neither are the parents of the students who would participate in the football programs.

It has more to do with where, what and who El Paso is compared to the rest of Texas. No big blue collar in EP - that's across the border. It makes a difference because the attitude is different.
I would beg to differ with your assertion that "El Paso is not poor by any means or measure." El Paso county has a third of their households living at or below the poverty level. The median income is less than 30k a year (and that is 37% below the state average). Further more the median income level has declined 3 successive years. I can go on and on, El Paso in every since of the of term is poor.

[5afan]

Visit EPgridiron.com and go to their football forum. What a joke!

[RedRage00]

You put that nicely. If I were to say it... it would have sounded a lot worse than that.

How old are you?

[SeguinMatadors]

How old are you?

18.. why?

[Alurista]

The schools in the more affluent areas of town seem to do fairly well in football every year. El Paso Franklin has been to the playoffs 10 out of the 11 years since they started playing Varsity Football. They did fairly well this year, beating two teams NOT from El Paso in the playoffs. Montwood is another team which has historically been one of the best teams in El Paso. Now, to answer your question more directly...From 1980, when class 5a was formed, to 1999, only ONE El paso team (5A or 4A) was able to defeat a team from the Midland/Odessa or Panhandle areas in the playoffs. El Paso Andress beat Midland Lee on penatrations, after playing to a 21-21 tie.

Since 2000, El Paso teams (5A or 4A)have 8-9 PLAYOFF victories against teams from the Midland/Odessa and Panhandle area. Franklin even beat Mansfield Summit.

Baby steps...baby steps. Considering the football history in the city, I dont think you can expect a team from El Paso to be a state powerhouse in the near future....or ever.

BTW, El Paso Del Valle won the 4A boys soccer title last year. Brownsville Lopez won the 4A title in 2004.

[MHS_Ram]

What do you know, a thread that I can actually add something too.

El Paso is considered a poor city, some kids cannot really dedicate to football as much as they want to, but that mainly affects the 4A teams that are from the poorer areas of town and the schools from the towns just on the outside of the city. The schools from the more well off sides of town tend to do better. Another thing that I think adds to the problem is we have too many high schools too close together. You can be at one school and drive for less than 5 minutes and be at another. Although these schools are pretty much filled to capacity it does spread out the talent a little bit. The main thing that some people overlook, and I think is partially the reason we never made it far in the playoffs, is in all those years the first out of town playoff games put us against the LSWC back when it was in its prime (not saying they are bad now, but I do not believe it is as good as it used to be). Just give El Paso time and hopefully we will be more consistent in going deeper in the playoffs and fielding better teams.

Oh and epgridiron.com is a piece of crap site. All thats there are dumb players that only post topics talking S*** about other players or teams, no actual football discussion there. That is why I come here.

[rocketbobcat]

okay...first off...except for the guy from el paso...all of you prolly never lived or played in el paso...take it from someone who did...individually there is no difference between players there or in San Antonio or Houston or wherever...I myself played for two seasons for EP Hanks then moved to Converse Judson...big change...but i went from a little sophmore de at Hanks to the starting Tight End at Judson in 2005...say what you want about those teams...i have some great memories from when i played on the fields with my friends and teammates...we went just as hard there as we did in Converse...and when we (Judson) played La Joya and Laredo Nixon, i could see myslef back then trying as hard as i could...i respect those players having to hear that the rest of Texas is better than them...yet they continue to play...to all those players from far West Texas and the valley...keep it up...

[SFARocketGrad]

Ok there Rocketbobcat... you can add me to the list of people who played in El Paso and at a Great school. I myself played at El Paso Austin my freshman year and moved to Judson in time to get two letters and win state. I can tell you that El Paso isnt even as close to many citys. I think they might be able to hang with some valley teams but even that would be close. As for working as hard... I remember when I moved here, I absolutely hated Judson cuz we actually had to work hard here and then I realized why. Cuz we wrecked it on other teams. You can even ask Aaron bout it... he'll tell you the comparision as well.

[Alurista]

individually there is no difference between players there or in San Antonio or Houston or wherever

Thats why El Paso is a recruting hotbed, right?

The motivation and desire to win might be the same, but the talent pool and level arent comparable.

[JagDad07]

Well, having seen EP Franklin pull it out against Summit, I have nothing but admiration for those boys. They got waxed by Trinity, but so did a lot of other guys.

I think there just wasn't much focus on football out there for a long time, but that's changing.

And to those who lumped Midland/Odessa in with El Paso - you realize Midland is just as close to Fort Worth as it is to El Paso? El Paso, while in Texas, has always struck me as being more like a New Mexico town. It is WAY out there.

[lonny23]

Judson...

I agree with Seguin (probably for the first time). Not meant to offend, but its the truth.
Somehow he forgot about the original dominant team in SA. I think Judson had a pretty good year this year. How many teams have played in two 5A title games this decade:

SLC 4
Katy 3
Judson 2
SV 2
Westlake 2

[lonny23]

I would beg to differ with your assertion that "El Paso is not poor by any means or measure." El Paso county has a third of their households living at or below the poverty level. The median income is less than 30k a year (and that is 37% below the state average). Further more the median income level has declined 3 successive years. I can go on and on, El Paso in every since of the of term is poor.
I've been to El Paso at least 7 times, but I went 3 times in 2005. They have their better parts of town, but there is a huge amount of poverty there. I do think location has something to do with the qulaity of football. It's not a rich town in spite of some schools having more money than others.

[lonny23]

Ok there Rocketbobcat... you can add me to the list of people who played in El Paso and at a Great school. I myself played at El Paso Austin my freshman year and moved to Judson in time to get two letters and win state. I can tell you that El Paso isnt even as close to many citys. I think they might be able to hang with some valley teams but even that would be close. As for working as hard... I remember when I moved here, I absolutely hated Judson cuz we actually had to work hard here and then I realized why. Cuz we wrecked it on other teams. You can even ask Aaron bout it... he'll tell you the comparision as well.
Which do you guys like better between Ft. Bliss and Ft. Sam Houston? I like the Bliss layout more. I like the Bliss museums, too.

[lonny23]

Well, having seen EP Franklin pull it out against Summit, I have nothing but admiration for those boys. They got waxed by Trinity, but so did a lot of other guys.

I think there just wasn't much focus on football out there for a long time, but that's changing.

And to those who lumped Midland/Odessa in with El Paso - you realize Midland is just as close to Fort Worth as it is to El Paso? El Paso, while in Texas, has always struck me as being more like a New Mexico town. It is WAY out there.
I'll speak from experience that El Paso is way out there. It's closer to Los Angeles than it is to Shreveport!:eek:

[KT2000]

It's only 30 miles closer to Houston than it is to Los Angeles. It's closer to Denver than it is to Houston. Pretty incredible to think about.

[lonny23]

It's only 30 miles closer to Houston than it is to Los Angeles. It's closer to Denver than it is to Houston. Pretty incredible to think about.
It's also 10 miles closer to Denver than Dallas and closer to LA than Brownsville.

[Alurista]

Well, having seen EP Franklin pull it out against Summit, I have nothing but admiration for those boys. They got waxed by Trinity, but so did a lot of other guys.

I think there just wasn't much focus on football out there for a long time, but that's changing.

And to those who lumped Midland/Odessa in with El Paso - you realize Midland is just as close to Fort Worth as it is to El Paso? El Paso, while in Texas, has always struck me as being more like a New Mexico town. It is WAY out there.

Im not sure if you are referring to me.

In no way am I lumping El Paso with schools from the Panhandle and Midland/Odessa area. I was simply trying to illustrate how El Paso schools have performed against foes from "West Texas", and pointing out the significant improvements over the last 5 years.

Its simply very difficult for any school to gain statewide respect when every year El Paso schools were known for losing in bi-district, and in the 2nd round to schools from Midlan, Odessa, Amarillo, and on.

[SFARocketGrad]

well i couldnt tell you with either of em... I never really went to bliss seeing how we were on Biggs Army Air Field (my dad was in the SGM Academy) and I have never really spent a day on Ft Sam only been through visiting either my dad or my best friend when he was in the barracks.

[lonny23]

well i couldnt tell you with either of em... I never really went to bliss seeing how we were on Biggs Army Air Field (my dad was in the SGM Academy) and I have never really spent a day on Ft Sam only been through visiting either my dad or my best friend when he was in the barracks.
I was thinking you guys might've been there for the SGM Academy. Biggs is cool, too. Even though I'm in the Air Force, I like to see the other guy's bases, too. I had to go to Ft. Sam Houston for a week in 2004 for training preparing tax returns on the computer.

[FootballJunkie]

well i couldnt tell you with either of em... I never really went to bliss seeing how we were on Biggs Army Air Field (my dad was in the SGM Academy) and I have never really spent a day on Ft Sam only been through visiting either my dad or my best friend when he was in the barracks.


Biggs is right across the highway from Bliss...Just go over the overpass and you are on Biggs Army Airfield. Ive been to Bliss and Sam Houston and Sam Houston is smaller alot smaller but it is nicer unless you just like the desert.

[WOS87]

From 1980, when class 5a was formed, to 1999, only ONE El paso team (5A or 4A) was able to defeat a team from the Midland/Odessa or Panhandle areas in the playoffs. El Paso Andress beat Midland Lee on penatrations, after playing to a 21-21 tie.

Since 2000, El Paso teams (5A or 4A)have 8-9 PLAYOFF victories against teams from the Midland/Odessa and Panhandle area. Franklin even beat Mansfield Summit.

I'm not so sure that that is because the El Paso teams are getting that much stronger and more competitive but rather could just be that the Midland/Odessa and Panhandle teams have been in a relative slump since Lee won their last title in '00. In the 86 year history of the UIL playoffs an El Paso County team has played in the State Quarterfinals (i.e. Region I Finals) a total of 17 times with a subsequent 0-16-1 record (El Paso Coronado tied Permian 14-14 in 1975 but lost the tiebreaker). Only 3 of those appearances have occurred since 1980.

I'm sure that one of these days they'll break through though because they have had some pretty bad luck over the years losing to the eventual state champs 9 out of those 17 times which is statistically more than double the number you would expect just picking random Quarterfinal matchups.

[slorch]

as long as we're on the geography slant, and noone took this one...

ElPaso is closer to SanDiego than it is to Beaumont.

it does have Interstate highways connecting it to the major cities, but they are all at least 300 miles away:eek:

[dragonsdaddy]

I'm not so sure that that is because the El Paso teams are getting that much stronger and more competitive but rather could just be that the Midland/Odessa and Panhandle teams have been in a relative slump since Lee won their last title in '00. In the 86 year history of the UIL playoffs an El Paso County team has played in the State Quarterfinals (i.e. Region I Finals) a total of 17 times with a subsequent 0-16-1 record (El Paso Coronado tied Permian 14-14 in 1975 but lost the tiebreaker). Only 3 of those appearances have occurred since 1980.

I'm sure that one of these days they'll break through though because they have had some pretty bad luck over the years losing to the eventual state champs 9 out of those 17 times which is statistically more than double the number you would expect just picking random Quarterfinal matchups.
how many of those pos were in the largest classifications? i tried to find this info years ago before the internet and couldn't do it very effectively. the only thing i could do then was see how the pos went thru games played by lswc teams, and could never find a win outside of ep districts forever.

[MOJOMAN]

El Paso Franklin, ( 5-A) made it to the quarter finals last year, before falling to eventual state Champion Euless trinity.

[WOS87]

how many of those pos were in the largest classifications? i tried to find this info years ago before the internet and couldn't do it very effectively. the only thing i could do then was see how the pos went thru games played by lswc teams, and could never find a win outside of ep districts forever.

All but 2 of the 17 Quarterfinal matchups mentioned above were in the largest classification

2A
1979 - Fabens lost to Childress 7-19

4A
2003 - (4A Div. 1) EP Riverside lost to North Crowley 8-35

Largest Classification
2005 - (5A Div.1) EP Franklin lost to Trinity 14-63
1990 - (5A Regular school) EP Andress lost to Arlington Lamar 7-49
1979 - EP Coronado lost to Lewisville 7-15
1975 - EP Coronado tied Permian 14-14
1973 - EP Coronado lost to Arlington Sam Houston 6-17
1964 - Ysleta lost to Amarillo Tascosa 6-17
1960 - Ysleta lost to Wichita Falls 0-51
1955 - El Paso High lost to Abilene 0-61
1954 - EP Austin lost to Abilene 0-61
1953 - EP Bowie lost to Odessa 7-34
1952 - EP Austin lost to Lubbock 7-41
1951 - Ysleta lost to Lubbock 21-40
1949 - EP Austin lost to Wichita Falls 6-58
1941 - Ysleta lost to Wichita Falls 0-21
1940 - El Paso High lost to Amarillo 0-27

(1951-1955 were all Bi-district games since there were only 8 districts at the time and only one team per district advanced. All other games were either 2nd or 3rd round. No El Paso team has ever made it to a 4th round.)

[LuvRebelSports]

El Paso Franklin, ( 5-A) made it to the quarter finals last year, before falling to eventual state Champion Euless trinity.

I know moral victories don't mean much, but didn't Franklin hang with Trinity for 3 quarters, then they wore out and Trinity took over?

I remember I listened to the game on the internet, till Trinity did take over.

[RGVBadBoy]

AGAIN this topis the HIGHT OF IGNORANCE!!!!! DAMB and AGAIN BY SEGUIN?!?!!??! DAMB BRO....when did the WHITE MAN become the LEADER IN ALL SPORTS?!?!? NONE of ya'll KNOW THE 1st thing about Hispanic/Mexican culture...foods.....diversity.....

FACT of the matter is, Mexicans/Hispanics come in ALL SHAPES, COLORS and SIZES....i've seen schools that are MAJORITALLY BLACK....SUCK at football, i've seen schools that are FULL OF SLOW WHITEBOYS KICK *** at football..i've also seen schools with the Majority of Hispanic players do well...its economics.....

Seguin makes it about race....let me guess Seguin, you were a linemen RIGHT!??!?!

heres a question Dallas Carter has some of the BEST ATHLETES IN TEXAS EVERY YEAR!!!! a HUGE OLine that avg about 300LBS and kids that run 4.4 growing on TREES!!!!! why cant they win in the playoffs!?!?!!?! and DONT give me some CRAP about "Friday Night Lights" i REALLY WANNA see what Sequin has to say....its GOTTA BE NEGATIVE since its NOT about the MASTER RACE

[RGVBadBoy]

18.. why?
cause you act like a 2yr old.....THATS WHY!!!!!

[slorch]

AGAIN this topis the HIGHT OF IGNORANCE!!!!! DAMB and AGAIN BY SEGUIN?!?!!??! DAMB BRO....when did the WHITE MAN become the LEADER IN ALL SPORTS?!?!? NONE of ya'll KNOW THE 1st thing about Hispanic/Mexican culture...foods.....diversity.....

FACT of the matter is, Mexicans/Hispanics come in ALL SHAPES, COLORS and SIZES....i've seen schools that are MAJORITALLY BLACK....SUCK at football, i've seen schools that are FULL OF SLOW WHITEBOYS KICK *** at football..i've also seen schools with the Majority of Hispanic players do well...its economics.....

Seguin makes it about race....let me guess Seguin, you were a linemen RIGHT!??!?!

heres a question Dallas Carter has some of the BEST ATHLETES IN TEXAS EVERY YEAR!!!! a HUGE OLine that avg about 300LBS and kids that run 4.4 growing on TREES!!!!! why cant they win in the playoffs!?!?!!?! and DONT give me some CRAP about "Friday Night Lights" i REALLY WANNA see what Sequin has to say....its GOTTA BE NEGATIVE since its NOT about the MASTER RACE
being a minority is something you don't truly control. having a mentality like someone who is inferior is. That last sentence is the most ignorant thing I have read on here in a while. Don't come in here saying that crap! You evidently get pretty passionate about defending your race, don't be tearing down others as well.

[RGVBadBoy]

being a minority is something you don't truly control. having a mentality like someone who is inferior is. That last sentence is the most ignorant thing I have read on here in a while. Don't come in here saying that crap! You evidently get pretty passionate about defending your race, don't be tearing down others as well.
it goes back to another topic....Seguin called us "MEXICANS" and "MINIS" and the ONLY sport we should be playing is "FUTBALL" crap like that doesnt fly!!!! i'm NOT dogging on White folks, i'm dogging SeguinMatador because he thinks that WHITE people are the ONLY ones who can win....I'm NOT the one making DIROGITORY remarks regarding race here....its Seguin...

[SeguinMatadors]

AGAIN this topis the HIGHT OF IGNORANCE!!!!! DAMB and AGAIN BY SEGUIN?!?!!??! DAMB BRO....when did the WHITE MAN become the LEADER IN ALL SPORTS?!?!? NONE of ya'll KNOW THE 1st thing about Hispanic/Mexican culture...foods.....diversity.....

FACT of the matter is, Mexicans/Hispanics come in ALL SHAPES, COLORS and SIZES....i've seen schools that are MAJORITALLY BLACK....SUCK at football, i've seen schools that are FULL OF SLOW WHITEBOYS KICK *** at football..i've also seen schools with the Majority of Hispanic players do well...its economics.....

Seguin makes it about race....let me guess Seguin, you were a linemen RIGHT!??!?!

heres a question Dallas Carter has some of the BEST ATHLETES IN TEXAS EVERY YEAR!!!! a HUGE OLine that avg about 300LBS and kids that run 4.4 growing on TREES!!!!! why cant they win in the playoffs!?!?!!?! and DONT give me some CRAP about "Friday Night Lights" i REALLY WANNA see what Sequin has to say....its GOTTA BE NEGATIVE since its NOT about the MASTER RACE

First of all, learn to spell properly and contstruct a sentence. I highlighted part of your post that made me laugh out loud. I can't take someone serious if the spell worse than a 4th grader.... you are making the Valley look bad.

Actually, I was a reciever.

I never implied that the white man was "the leader in all sports"... I have never said anything of the sort. Please show me where I did... until you show me.. you are an absolute fraud.;)

I don't "always make it about race".. other than El Paso and the Valley.. the rest of the state is pretty much on an even playing field and the topic of race is never discussed.

As far as Dallas Carter goes... I don't live in DFW so I can't give you their story but....football is just as much about the coaches as it is the players... great teams have a mix of talented smart players and good coaching.

[SeguinMatadors]

cause you act like a 2yr old.....THATS WHY!!!!!

This coming from a guy who can't spell.....:cool: lol

[RGVBadBoy]

As far as Dallas Carter goes... I don't live in DFW so I can't give you their story but....football is just as much about the coaches as it is the players... great teams have a mix of talented smart players and good coaching.
my spelling aside, so what your saying is that you live in the RGV and ElPaso that is why you "KNOW" SO MUCH!?!?!? HOW do you KNOW its NOT the RGV's or ElPaso's COACHING!?!??!? i dont think the RGV or ElPaso coaches are on the SAME level as Coach Hill or Dodge....so IS IT COACHING!!??! wait, what about our INTELLIGENCE....since we are from SOUTH Texas and ElPaso...ARE WE STUPID!??!!? let me know...you SEEM to have this thing ALL FIGURED OUT..

[SeguinMatadors]

it goes back to another topic....Seguin called us "MEXICANS" and "MINIS" and the ONLY sport we should be playing is "FUTBALL" crap like that doesnt fly!!!! i'm NOT dogging on White folks, i'm dogging SeguinMatador because he thinks that WHITE people are the ONLY ones who can win....I'm NOT the one making DIROGITORY remarks regarding race here....its Seguin...

Again with your spelling.

90 percent of the Valley is Mexican-American... what is the big deal? Some other Mexican guy came in that thread and acknowledged the same thing... are you ashamed? He didn't seem to be. White people don't mind being called Germans or Italians. I am lost on how that is offensive.


As far as me calling Hispanics small.. check it outhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_height It is closer to the bottom.

[SeguinMatadors]

my spelling aside, so what your saying is that you live in the RGV and ElPaso that is why you "KNOW" SO MUCH!?!?!? HOW do you KNOW its NOT the RGV's or ElPaso's COACHING!?!??!? i dont think the RGV or ElPaso coaches are on the SAME level as Coach Hill or Dodge....so IS IT COACHING!!??! wait, what about our INTELLIGENCE....since we are from SOUTH Texas and ElPaso...ARE WE STUPID!??!!? let me know...you SEEM to have this thing ALL FIGURED OUT..

I have seen those teams play... there just isn't any talent or size out there. There are only a few top level coaches out there like Hill and Dodge... there area lot of good coaches all over the state.

[SeguinMatadors]

This thread is old and I have made my point. I am done with this topic... you know how I feel. Good day.

[CKE]

my spelling aside, so what your saying is that you live in the RGV and ElPaso that is why you "KNOW" SO MUCH!?!?!? HOW do you KNOW its NOT the RGV's or ElPaso's COACHING!?!??!? i dont think the RGV or ElPaso coaches are on the SAME level as Coach Hill or Dodge....so IS IT COACHING!!??! wait, what about our INTELLIGENCE....since we are from SOUTH Texas and ElPaso...ARE WE STUPID!??!!? let me know...you SEEM to have this thing ALL FIGURED OUT..

to tell you the truth it has been brought up that the coaching is just as bad as the players in the valley that issue has been noted. and another note im half hispanic and what seguin says is true hispanc people are not that great at many other sports than baseball and soccer. dont take it to heart i dont. yes there are exceptions to this i was not all that bad in high school and my little bro will proly end up going D1. but in all reality not many hispanics will get a chance like me or him got. and one more thing what is with the the CAPS i know you have been on the forum longer than me but do you feel it gets the point across better for you ar something?

[Slim-Rob]

RGVBadBoy, why are you constantly attacking Seguin? I'm just curious why you are constantly on his case about what he says. You never provide any facts to ANYTHING, and if you look at it, the Valley and EP have not won anything recently. I know that when I feel Judson is being wrongly attacked, I throw out some facts to disprove what is being said. Now unless you provide to us some information as to why what he is saying is false, there is no point to your argument.

[RGVBadBoy]

RGVBadBoy, why are you constantly attacking Seguin? I'm just curious why you are constantly on his case about what he says. You never provide any facts to ANYTHING, and if you look at it, the Valley and EP have not won anything recently. I know that when I feel Judson is being wrongly attacked, I throw out some facts to disprove what is being said. Now unless you provide to us some information as to why what he is saying is false, there is no point to your argument.
i dont attack him, i attack his statements....some of the things he says are pretty bad....i KNOW that the RGV is mostly Hispanic....i'm hispanic.....what facts can i provide, what stats can i give....all i can say is that Being MEXICAN or HISPANIC is NOT a bad thing....i know i WAS a pretty good Athlete back in MY DAY, i'm still pretty decent for being a little older....

as far as what has the Valley or EP won recently....NOTHING....so WHAT HAS SEGUIN WON RECENTLY?!?!?!

[CKE]

i dont attack him, i attack his statements....some of the things he says are pretty bad....i KNOW that the RGV is mostly Hispanic....i'm hispanic.....what facts can i provide, what stats can i give....all i can say is that Being MEXICAN or HISPANIC is NOT a bad thing....i know i WAS a pretty good Athlete back in MY DAY, i'm still pretty decent for being a little older....

as far as what has the Valley or EP won recently....NOTHING....so WHAT HAS SEGUIN WON RECENTLY?!?!?!

if you think that ONLY MEXICANS live in the RGV your mistaken again....i would say ROUGHLY HALF of the population 40 to 50% are anglo or WHITE FOLKS....with a RAPIDLY INCREASING NUMBER of African Americans....


dude make up your mind is there more white or hispanic people int he valley. and i ask again what is up with the CAPS

[gritty52]

Luv rebels, Franklin didn't have a chance against ET. This game against ET was pretty much over in the 1st quarter. Don't know where you got they hung with ET.

[RGVBadBoy]

the CAPS are to emphasize..thats all....chill...

as far as race %s in the RGV, they vary from town to town...i'm from Sharyland, when i was in HS, ALOT of the kids were white, i would say maybe 40%.....when you go to other parts like Brownsville or PSJA areas its better than 90% hispanic....i would say McAllen is another town with a large caucasion population.....but if you get into the RGV as a WHOLE your looking at probably 85% Hispanic.....but AGAIN as a whole

[CKE]

the CAPS are to emphasize..thats all....chill...

as far as race %s in the RGV, they vary from town to town...i'm from Sharyland, when i was in HS, ALOT of the kids were white, i would say maybe 40%.....when you go to other parts like Brownsville or PSJA areas its better than 90% hispanic....i would say McAllen is another town with a large caucasion population.....but if you get into the RGV as a WHOLE your looking at probably 85% Hispanic.....but AGAIN as a whole


whoa im chilled just asking friend thats why i asked if it was to get the point across better. im not here to pick a fight on race. I cant im half and half lol

[Slim-Rob]

i dont attack him, i attack his statements....some of the things he says are pretty bad....i KNOW that the RGV is mostly Hispanic....i'm hispanic.....what facts can i provide, what stats can i give....all i can say is that Being MEXICAN or HISPANIC is NOT a bad thing....i know i WAS a pretty good Athlete back in MY DAY, i'm still pretty decent for being a little older....

as far as what has the Valley or EP won recently....NOTHING....so WHAT HAS SEGUIN WON RECENTLY?!?!?!

He never said being Mexican or Hispanic was a bad thing. He said they aren't the best athletes. He also never said Seguin was the best at football. You can try and go after my school, but I doubt you'd have much success.

[RGVBadBoy]

what could i POSSIBLY say about Judson...ummmm....hmmmmm they ALWAYS BEAT THE CRAP OUT THE RGV!!!!! there ya go.....hows that....thats about as NASTY as i can get with them....NO...i have NO beef with Judson or any other power...IMO they deserve to talk...SHOOT if my team was winning i'd NEVER SHUT UP ABOUT IT!!!!!! either way, i hope we can get over the hump some time and start competing with SA...that would be nice.

[lonny23]

Please keep the race stuff out of this. I was hoping this was over a few weeks ago.

[mojo61]

The main thing that some people overlook, and I think is partially the reason we never made it far in the playoffs, is in all those years the first out of town playoff games put us against the LSWC back when it was in its prime (not saying they are bad now, but I do not believe it is as good as it used to be).

It's alright; you can go ahead & say it--the LSWC is not in its prime anymore. However, it did produce a great team in '04, Abilene Hi. Ab. was prob. one of the top 3 or 4 teams in the st. in '04 but couldn't get past SLC. EP Montwood hung w/ Ab. pretty well in a playoff game in that yr. for the 1st half or so. I think the EP fb problem has alot of variables that make it a complex thing to analyze. I know that in recent yrs. Andress, Montwood, Del Valle, & Franklin have produced some pretty good teams, but for some reason they don't advance very far in the playoffs. Generally over the last few yrs., EP is either getting better, or the W. Tex. teams that play them or getting worse (it could be a little bit of both some yrs. here lately).

[mojo61]

The main thing that some people overlook, and I think is partially the reason we never made it far in the playoffs, is in all those years the first out of town playoff games put us against the LSWC back when it was in its prime (not saying they are bad now, but I do not believe it is as good as it used to be).

It's alright; you can go ahead & say it--the LSWC is not in its prime anymore. However, it did produce a great team in '04, Abilene Hi. Ab. was prob. one of the top 3 or 4 teams in the st. in '04 but couldn't get past SLC. EP Montwood hung w/ Ab. pretty well in a playoff game in that yr. for the 1st half or so. I think the EP fb problem has alot of variables that make it a complex thing to analyze. I know that in recent yrs. Andress, Montwood, Del Valle, & Franklin have produced some pretty good teams, but for some reason they don't advance very far in the playoffs. Generally over the last decade, EP is either getting better, or the W. Tex. teams that play them or getting worse (it could be a little bit of both some yrs. here lately).

[RGVBadBoy]

Please keep the race stuff out of this. I was hoping this was over a few weeks ago.
okay, i'm done...sorry bout that...i can get a little excited...