private school ball

[stevefoxsc]

don't hear much about them in football around Tx's but how do they work do they play in 4a 5a 3a 2a 1a etc or only private schools how does it work with them fill me in oh wise ones of the borad!

[farmerfan]

The private schools play in two big leagues, the SPC and TAPPS. TAPPS is the better league and has more teams. TAPPS has a enrollment cut off and that is why the Jesuits had to petition to be allowed into the UIL. Most TAPPS schools did not want the Jesuits in TAPPS due to the large enrollment of the school. Football in TAPPS is not as strong as football in the UIL. TAPPS goes on a division format, Division 1 is the largest and Division 4 is the smallest, the most competitive division is Division 2 which used to be TAPPS 4A, schools in that division include, Midland Christian, Arlington Grace Prep, Dallas Christian, Denton Liberty, Ft Worth Christian, Houston Christian, Houston Second Baptist and more. When I played at Liberty, Second Baptist defeated class 4A Brenham and we played Celina to one of their closest games druing their state record win streak. Most schools that are in TAPPS as of now have no desire to get into the UIL. Texas unlike most states has a competitive private school league and it's members have no desire to leave.

[Rerun]

if it aint 5a or 4a , its weak.

[farmerfan]

its football, so in that sense nothing is weak

[RedRage00]

Don't pay attention to TexasHeadliner...he's still stranded at da swishahouse...trying to find his way back to Shertz :p :D

[RidgePride]

Don't pay attention to TexasHeadliner...he's still stranded at da swishahouse...trying to find his way back to Shertz :p :D

I agree with TexasHeadliner. Private school football sux, and they can recruit - and they still suck.

5A 4A and some 3A.

[farmerfan]

As far as privates are concerned, I will not defend them when it comes to playing in the UIL, however to say private school ball sucks is wrong. Sure the teams can not compete with the likes of the big boys, but they produce some great football players and football teams. Many times private school will step up and play a UIL in similar size and beat them. In some cases a smaller private school will play a larger UIL school and beat them. Not all teams are great, and not all coaches know what they are doing, but there are plenty of schools that do. I know our head coach at Denton Liberty who has been there over 20 years, has had job offers from large UIL schools around the Denton area. Greg McClendon from Midland Christian was offered the sweetwater job not to long ago, and Biship Lynch has sent coaches to many public schools.
The assumption is that private schools recruit, I think that reputation comes with out of state success of other private schools. Unless you have any kind of facts showing that private's recruit then you should not make such a allegation especially when UIL schools have been caught for doing such a thing.

[RidgePride]

As far as privates are concerned, I will not defend them when it comes to playing in the UIL, however to say private school ball sucks is wrong. Sure the teams can not compete with the likes of the big boys, but they produce some great football players and football teams. Many times private school will step up and play a UIL in similar size and beat them. In some cases a smaller private school will play a larger UIL school and beat them. Not all teams are great, and not all coaches know what they are doing, but there are plenty of schools that do. I know our head coach at Denton Liberty who has been there over 20 years, has had job offers from large UIL schools around the Denton area. Greg McClendon from Midland Christian was offered the sweetwater job not to long ago, and Biship Lynch has sent coaches to many public schools.
The assumption is that private schools recruit, I think that reputation comes with out of state success of other private schools. Unless you have any kind of facts showing that private's recruit then you should not make such a allegation especially when UIL schools have been caught for doing such a thing.

FF - Watching Private school football is like watching NFL Europe.
NOBODY CARES.

[RidgePride]

don't hear much about them in football around Tx's but how do they work do they play in 4a 5a 3a 2a 1a etc or only private schools how does it work with them fill me in oh wise ones of the borad!

Private schools in Texas are Not like in other states.

Our Best teams rely on the Talent that grows up in their Neighborhood.

That Is why I don't think it is fair when Private Schools from other states tout themselves. It is not equal.
They can get the best players from all around -
And we still beat teams like Evangel.

[farmerfan]

Sure it does not get the attention that the public's do, but in towns such as Halletsville, Muenster, Shiner, and even in Midland with Midland Christian, the interest is there. No its not 5A or 4A, but it is good football, the number of players signing with D1 schools from the private ranks keeps increasing, and the quality of football amongst those schools gets better. The two big divisions in TAPPS are on the same level as a UIL 2&3A, sure you might not care, and most others might not, but there is good football that is played in TAPPS. I for one enjoy the atmosphere of a 2 and 3A game, and a lot of times ytou will get that at a TAPPS game, dont be so closed minded when it comes down to the quality of football played by smaller schools in this state.

[stevefoxsc]

if it aint 5a or 4a , its weak.

begone you wigga go head to the chamillionaire boards or somthing Dawg Ya Need Ta Bounce Foo Yo posza

[JCP1984]

In the past five years, Dallas Jesuit has beaten Carter, Coppell, Grand Prairie, Berkner, Lake Highlands, and Hillcrest. I do not know there overall record against UIL schools in the past five years, but I know they went 9 and 2 against UIL 5A schools last season. They lost to Pearce and to Longview. They beat the other nine 5A schools they played. And, they don't recruit or give athletic scholarships. They won't even accept junior or senior transfers unless they come from other private schools or an out-of-state Jesuit school. People who think all private schools stink and people who think all private schools recruit are idiots. Some do, just like some public schools stink and just like some public schools recruit. I have watched private and public schools football for years, and good football is good football. The largest schools in TAPPS are about the same size as UIL 4A or 3A schools. The largest schools in the SPC are like UIL 3A and 2A schools. Dallas Jesuit's enrollment makes it a tiny UIL 5A school, and Houston Strake enrollment makes it a 4A school. Yet, both are willing and able to compete against schools much alrger than them. And, they do it with smaller coaching staffs and less kids. Kudos to them and to ALL schools out there who play hard. I am a Texas HS Football Fan, and that includes all teams.

[RidgePride]

I am a Texas HS Football Fan, and that includes all teams.

Good for you.

[ktCarl]

I agree with TexasHeadliner. Private school football sux, and they can recruit - and they still suck.

5A 4A and some 3A.

Strake Jesuit joined 19-5A 2 yrs ago and we in Katy have expressed our disdain because private schools do recruit. All we hear from the Strake
backers are that they DON'T recruit. How do you argue with that?!

[farmerfan]

KtCarl
To accuse private schools of recruting without proof is not very credible, all im asking from some of you guys that are so insistant that the privates recruit is provide specific details

[concha]

Private schools in Texas are Not like in other states.

Our Best teams rely on the Talent that grows up in their Neighborhood.

That Is why I don't think it is fair when Private Schools from other states tout themselves. It is not equal.
They can get the best players from all around -
And we still beat teams like Evangel.

This is something that is argued extensively in Ohio, where many/most of the better teams are privates.

Things to consider that work against the private schools:

1) Tuition (usually even if schloarships/aid are offered)
2) Competitive entrance exams
3) Travel time
4) Religious issues
5) Especially in Texas, enrollment size


The private teams in Ohio tend to better not due to raw talent, but rather balance and the CYO football experience the kids have from their parochial schools. While occasionally they do have blue chippers, the top publics usually have at least as many. Accusations that privates/Catholics have "stolen" top players from public junior high schools are never backed up with evidence.

[GoOwls]

You two "privates" backers refuse to see the obvious, the fat cats who can afford to send their kids to private schools and run and fund private schools didn't get to be fat cats by being uncreative businessmen. In fact, the reason they got so rich is by being able to screw over somebody to get ahead and not get caught and leave behind no evidence. In real life it's very difficult to convict on a white collar crime compared to a blue collar crime due to the level of intellect used to pull ech one off. Do you think that anyone recruiting a HS kid would leave stones unturned? Not one that wants to get away with it.

[farmerfan]

GoOwls
Tell me where I refuse to see the obvious? I was apart of the private game from 96-99, at my school we never recruitied, the schools we played against never recruited, in fact if you recruit in the private school ranks the penalty is pretty harsh, just ask Grace Prep coach Mike Barber. So I ask you the same I have asked all the other who have chimed in on this subject, tell me where do you have evidence that the private schools have recruited?

[RidgePride]

GoOwls
Tell me where I refuse to see the obvious? I was apart of the private game from 96-99, at my school we never recruitied, the schools we played against never recruited, in fact if you recruit in the private school ranks the penalty is pretty harsh, just ask Grace Prep coach Mike Barber. So I ask you the same I have asked all the other who have chimed in on this subject, tell me where do you have evidence that the private schools have recruited?

You have no idea if your school recruited. The coaches don't come tell the players "We are trying to recruit this running back."

I only know one private school coach - and he told me himself that he recruits. I bet his players don't know that.

I also bet that if you went to this private school you would swear that they do not recruit.

I am not making this up either - The coach told me to my face.

[farmerfan]

I do know that my school did not recruit because the players we played with were the players that we had in the program for years. So dont tell me that I dont know if my school recruited, public schools are as bad if not worse tha nthe privates. Like I said give me specific example of recruting where you saw it with you own eyes, not some kind of he said BS, because I could come up with the same kind of stuff for some public schools. In fact I will go ahead and say that my senior year we had a stud RB try to transfer from Lewisville HS, our administration would not allow him into our school because of grades and other outside circumstances, this kid went back to LHS started a few games before he got kicked off the team, I guess we did not do a good enough job of recruting. Trust me mr ridge this is a battle you do not want to engage in, you are not informed on how the private schools in Texas work and it shows in your comments.

[RidgePride]

Trust me mr ridge this is a battle you do not want to engage in, you are not informed on how the private schools in Texas work and it shows in your comments.


No you trust me. Your ignorance shows in your comments.

All I stated was that a Private school coach told me that he recruits.
That is the honest truth - I did not make that up.

Maybe your school had all the same players and that is how you know they did not recruit. So I stand corrected on that point.

You do not know about other schools though.

[farmerfan]

I know that a overwhelming moajority of the teams I played against did not with the exception of one. That one being Celina, When a Jackie Wyatt all the sudden shows up his sophmore year in Celina Texas after playing in Mckinney, or a Adam Harvey who grew up in Plano and came to Celina as a junior and started, or a Adam Herrin who came in as a freshman from Plano. Maybe thats not recruting to you, but it seems fishy to me. All the private school teams I played against had a lot of the same names from my freshman year till I graduated. Can you help the fact that some kids might have moved in for the opportunity to play or be seen in a system that better fit their abilities? Look at Southlake, I would never accuse them of recruting, and they have no need to, but a new WR from Lake Highlands has moved in, and Chase Daniel left Irving as a 8th grader to attend a school that would better fit his needs. So you go on your one coach assumption, I will go on my 9+ year afiliation with the private ranks and I still conclude you are the one who lacks the credible information mr ridge. Like I said come up with a valid point and I would love to argue and dispute it, till then you are full of nothing but hog wash.

[concha]

You two "privates" backers refuse to see the obvious, the fat cats who can afford to send their kids to private schools and run and fund private schools didn't get to be fat cats by being uncreative businessmen. In fact, the reason they got so rich is by being able to screw over somebody to get ahead and not get caught and leave behind no evidence. In real life it's very difficult to convict on a white collar crime compared to a blue collar crime due to the level of intellect used to pull ech one off. Do you think that anyone recruiting a HS kid would leave stones unturned? Not one that wants to get away with it.

Uh, no.

You are making fantasy allegations with zero backup. Example: Elder high school in Cincy won the D1 state title in '02 and '03 with, as far as anyone could show, 100% kids from local parish 'feeder' schools. Somehow I doubt they were recruiting kids at the age of 5 to get them "in the pipeline".

And as far "fat cats" who recruit, the aforementioned Elder is located in a strongly Catholic but blue collar, working class area. In fact, probably the most frequently questioned and notorious suspects of recruitment in Ohio are p-u-b-l-i-c-s. And how about the "fat cats" in decidedly wealthy Southlake, for example? I guarantee you their average annual incomes are probably 2x-3x that of Price Hill, where Elder is located.

Also, given the huge dollars that Texas publics are willing to sink into new stadiums and practice/training facilities (and coach's salaries), it does not take a huge leap of imagination nor much effort to shift the focus on potential willingness to recruit from the privates to the $$$ publics.

This is just the normal "You KNOW the private schools do it, so what if I don't have the proof" blah, blah, blah.....

[concha]

I do know that my school did not recruit because the players we played with were the players that we had in the program for years. So dont tell me that I dont know if my school recruited, public schools are as bad if not worse tha nthe privates. Like I said give me specific example of recruting where you saw it with you own eyes, not some kind of he said BS, because I could come up with the same kind of stuff for some public schools. In fact I will go ahead and say that my senior year we had a stud RB try to transfer from Lewisville HS, our administration would not allow him into our school because of grades and other outside circumstances, this kid went back to LHS started a few games before he got kicked off the team, I guess we did not do a good enough job of recruting. Trust me mr ridge this is a battle you do not want to engage in, you are not informed on how the private schools in Texas work and it shows in your comments.

I understand DeShaun Wynn (Flroida) tried to get into my alma mater (Cincy St. Xavier) and was refused. Coach Rasso must not have been in recruitment mode that day.

[dragonsdaddy]

recruiting can be defined as attracting people to your school by any means for the purpose of getting that person and their family involved with athletics/uil activities. using the broadest definition, slc, and many, many others are guilty. when a col in the usaf with 3 teens is transferred to sa, and decides, after looking at the schools athletic history and talking to his friends who have been there before him, to reside in the judson district, cj could be deemed guilty of recruiting. when a good catholic family moves to the n dallas area, into richardson hs's boundary to be exact, and decides to bite the bullet and send the younguns to jesuit, because they want a better education, and a chance to play for a district champion soccer team, jesuit would or could be accused of recruiting. when a father sees his only son in a program that at best can't showcase his talents and at worst will harm his skills because the situation within and without the team is destructive, and the parents can afford to live somewhere else, guess what. they move to ennis, or allen or hp or slc or aledo. they are being recruited by the opportunity and the history of these programs just as surely as if the coaches came over and hit them up.

my family was recruited to slc by their history of the multiple state titles and their excellent school district. i never talked with anyone except the builder and the re agent before moving, but i was recruited, no doubt. having moved to plano in 65, the start of the mystique was a true epiphany for a seventh grader coming from the rl turner feeder schools. i knew i wanted to give my 3 the chance to enjoy what i so truly did- a winning tradition and a chance to carry on that tradition. it was undoubtedly the best choice i have made since asking my wedding partner for her hand.

as long as parents care about their kids, they will find situations/schools that give them the best opportunity to thrive. the recipient schools will continue to improve, and the others will complain just like they always have. someday the facets that drive these scenarios will change and the pendulum will swing the other way and we'll see the names of the top dogs change, but the situations and the responses of the parents to those changes will be the same.

[RedRage00]

Private school games are boring...I went to one Victoria St. Joseph game and it was my last lol

I'll stick to UIL schools!

[JCP1984]

Fact:

Dallas Jesuit does not recruit. They had 50 players last season. All 50 entered the school in the ninth grade, which is the first year possible. Of their "star" players, they came from St. Rita, St. Monica, Plano St. Mark's, Good Shephard Episcopal, and Rowlett Christian Academy. The first three schools are Catholic parochial schools. The last two include a school that does not offer football at all and another that plays six-man football. Each senior football player at Jesuit was smart enough to gain admittance. Each senior football player trying to play college ball (there were 11 at the beginning of the year and 6 who did) scored no lower than 1080 on the SAT. The six playing college ball will attend Iowa State, Tulane, Trinity (three), and Rhodes College. If Jesuit were recruiting, they would have more 1A scolarship players. Those are all facts.

Fact:

The recruiting that goes on in Garland is fierce. Every coach in this area knows that.

Fact:

I have seen recruiting first-hand by both private and public schools. Lots of schools cheat to win. Some are private, and some are public. I am only stating what I know.

If you don't like private schools, that is your choice. I was sent ot private school because my parents thought that would be the best for me. They paid more money than they could afford to provide me with that education. My public school option was W.T. White, and my parents did not think that was a good option. I played football at Jesuit, and I don't recall any transfer studs coming to Jesuit. I do remember two friends telling me about public school coaches from Richardson schools trying to convince them to transfer because "they would not get the exposure at Jesuit." I think that was recruiting. My friend is the head coach at Jesuit, and he has told me about three players being recruited by public schools while at Jesuit. I asked him last night how many transfers he has had play football in his eight or nine years as head coach. He told there have been five: of the five, only one was a star player, and he came to Jesuit as a sophomore because he mother did not like the school he was at. The other four came from out of state (two, both marginal backups) and from another area private school (Bishop Lynch...they did not get into Jesuit as freshman and reapplied as sophomores...one started as a senior and the other quit before his senior season).

[dragonsdaddy]

i hope that jesuit will always be able to say that they don't recruit. pandora's box was opened by the uil and the temptations have begun.

[stevefoxsc]

damn that uil some one tell them to close the box!

[GoOwls]

O.K. farmerfan, O.K., your school didn't. I didn't say all schools did. I'm saying it goes on and has for years, both in the private and public schools. To deny it is to refuse to admit human nature....win at all costs.

[JCP1984]

If you could ever get the Jesuit coach to speak openly, he could tell you lots of stories (rumor or true, he doesn't know or care). Two public school coaches talk about some "club" of Carroll supporters that have contacted some of their younger players' parents about coming to Southlake. One coach has lost two. He found out what was going on when a third parent said no thanks and told him about the call. Coaches in DISD schools recruit big-time. Some area private schools are notorious for recruiting. Does that mean all schools recruit and cheat? No. I heard the Jesuit coach say that jesuit will probably never win a UIL 5A state title and that he is not so sure that any team that does win one is not guilty of some form of cheating and/or recruiting. That's sad, but maybe it is true. I don't know what Strake Jesuit does or does not do, so I can't speak about them. I do know Jesuit's history. I also laugh when I hear people say that "good programs recruit themselves." That may be true, but that may also be an excuse for what is really going on. Finally, do private schools have an "unfair advantage"? Only if they recruit, offer free rides, and cheat. Otherwise, they are at a severe disadvantage. Yes, they can draw kids from all over. But, these kids have to pay tuition and, in the case of Jesuit, they have to be very bright and ready to work hard in the classroom. That is not to say that all public kids aren't smart or don't work hard, because I know that is not true. My best friend and work partner is one smart public school grad. However, there are some that do very little and get by, and that is not the case at a school like Jesuit. When Jesuit played a playoff game this Novemeber, their opponent had only one senior player who had scored over 1,000 on the SAT. That came from the HC's mouth. Of Jesuit's 25 senior football players, all were over 1,000. If being smart gives Jesuit an "unfair advantage", than so be it. But, that other team kicked Jesuit's butt that night. I didn't see any unfair advantage, and if Jesuit did recruit, they did a poor job of it. Anyway, I doubt this thread is going to go anywhere positive, so I'll leave it alone. Good luck to everybody, public and private, this fall.

[dragonsdaddy]

jcp, obviously i don't know the ins and outs of every family that moves to or from slc, but you are throwing out some crap, tyvm. i do know exactly everything that went on to get me and my 3 players to move to southlake. they won 3 state titles in 5 years and performed way above average in every academic area. to tell the truth, had i spent more time getting to know the football coach at that time, we'd have moved somewhere else.

you poo-poo the statement that good programs recruit themselves, yet you accept that jesuit does it and are proud of it. why pray tell would anyone throw away huge dollars sending their kids to jesuit if they weren't a good program? and how would anyone know of such a worthwhile school without recruiters telling them, or their good name preceding them? if you don't think that there is a jesuit supporter talking up the rangers and trying to get a family to buy into the idea that little johnnie with the rocket launcher hanging from his sleeve would blossum at jesuit, you are in never-never land.

call it what you will, but when the whole of n texas is in your schools attendance zone, you are at somewhat of an advantage, at least potentially.

[drgnbkr]

I agree DD, & to say that some parents would move into the Carroll district specifically for sports purposes is preposterous considering the cost of entry into the neighborhood.....It's probably like trying to recruit at Trinity U with the high cost of admission & no schollys

[dragonsdaddy]

i wish i could have afforded trinity too, as chubbs would have done well there.

[drgnbkr]

Drew Williamson went there but did'nt enjoy the football..he's trying A&M now..

[SWTAlumni]

Tyler Lee's freshman team could give any private school's varsity in Tyler, Tx. a good game if not beat them outright. To be honest with you, our freshman baseball team won 2 3A varsity tournaments years ago in Mineola and Fourney.

[htownfootball]

I am not here to defend any school or deny recruiting because I am sure it goes on. I have much respect for katy high school and the amazing things they do over there and the other schools in 19-5A. But I will defend Strake and Dallas Jesuit when someone says they come from a weak program or play wimpy football because I know that you know that is untrue. Strake has 2 players at the University of Texas, one at North Carolina, Rice, Houston, Army, Houston, Tulsa, William and Mary, etc. The head coach is an ex-Oklahoma football player that won the national championship in 1987.
strake jesuit pre-UIL, post-TCIL (the old TAPPS) records are:
10-0, 8-3, 9-2.
they beat:
dallas jesuit 3 times in a row in the annual texas football jesuit bowl
3a state powers jasper and waller 3 times (at jasper's notorious home field and at crusader stadium)
4a defending state champs bay city in bay city, texas before ESPN cameras for the show "The Season"
st thomas high school 8 years in a row and counting. the scores were in the past 4 years were: 21-20 (sth had andrew locke, houstons leading duel threat qb and west point bound), 37-14 at rice stadium with locke as a senior and sj had 5 d1 players including 2 UT bound, UNC, Tulsa, Rice, 54-6 at dyer stadium, and 31-7 in the first ever varsity football game at crusader stadium as if that wasnt enough motivation for the eagles to upset jesuit and throw away their 8 year losing streak.
also st thomas has NOT beaten jesuit on any level from freshmen B team to varsity in over 6 years.
st pius 3 out of 4 years including the last two which were 31-0 in front of HS Sports Live cameras and 27-7 when SPX had louisiana state texas ranked RB mike washington.
and this year jesuit and dallas jesuit were the first 2 pvt schools to play UIL 5A competition. DJ went to an easy dallas suburban district and strake went to the katy and alief ISD district, 19-5A that is a powerhouse in football (katy, alief taylor, elsik, cinco ranch), basketball (elsik,hastings, aleif taylor, mayde creek), baseball (katy, katy taylor) and soccer (katy taylor, elsik)
strake beat cinco ranch to end their season in a huge upset to a cougar team that only lost to katy before the strake game and they also beat hastings which at the time had one of 19-5A's best rushing defenses and sj beat them on the ground 30something to 7.

when your opponent respects you why not respect that fact?

But one last question
if strake jesuit's all male enrollment is doubled to fit coed standards and reaches 4a levels how come they are in 19-5A?

[ktfiend]

Good question -- We've been trying to figure that out for a year now.

Maybe it was a sort of initiation by the UIL. "Well, since you want in, we'll put you in -- 19-5a -- have fun." :rolleyes:

It probably didn't happen that way, but it would be interesting to find out the real answer.

[dragonsdaddy]

the entrance rules for the privates required them to be placed in 5a. the actual district choice relied on the whims of the uil selection committee.

[JCP1984]

The "crap" I'm saying comes from head coach at two UIL schools who stated that some of their younger stars were "recruited" by SL Carroll "supporters." I can't tell you this is fact, but I don't doubt it is true. The HC at Jesuit is good friends with Todd Dodge and will quickly tell folks that Todd is a genius at offensive football and at running a program. He also says Coach Dodge didn't start winning big-time until he got to Carroll. I think SL Carroll and HP are schools that are not all that different from private schools. Instead of paying a large tuition, you pay to live in the area.

A young man can attend a public school outside of his attendance zone; however, he has to pay a fee and he is ineligible for a year. So, that "unfair advantage" is not that accurate. I know of a great linebacker who moved from Desoto to HP several years ago so he could play for HP. I know this because he dated my son's friend for a while. And, I know he didn't live in HP's attendance zone the entire time.

Strake is a good football team. They were placed in a much tougher district than Dallas Jesuit. Coach Counter from Strake is a great coach and a former UIL coach. He does not recruit. The former head coaches at Strake in both hoops and in football did, but I don't think that happens there any more.

Strake and Dallas Jesuit were allowed in the UIL if they were willing to go 5A. To be in a league was worth the move up. And, both have done well in all sports. I don't think either will ever win a state title in football, but they will be competitive.

Hopefully, a young man and his parents choose Jesuit not just for football (or any specific sport). Jesuit offers a great Catholic education in the Jesuit tradition. Many people, including my parents and me, think it is worth it. It is a great school, and there is so much more than sports. Jesuit's head coach might be the lowest paid UIL 5A coach in then state. And, he teaches English Lit. That is not the norm. The staff at Jesuit had 11 coaches for grades 9-12, and that included the HC. And, there are no true feeder schools with feeder coaches doing lots of the work. What Jesuit coaches do is remarkable.

Here is a true story I was told yesterday. There is a young man, entering 9th grade, who is in summer school at Jesuit. His father is a former Dallas Cowboy. I have been told that the young man may not make it out of summer school. When I asked the HC at Jesuit about him, he said he could not talk about him or his situation, and then he said something that shocked me..." you know, if he struggles in summer school and ends up being ineligible most of the time, he might be better off at another school that can help him better academically." This kid is a difference maker, yet the coach is thinking more about the the kid's best interest than his program's. That, I think, is what separates some coaches in this state from other's. He also told me that this kid has been recruited hard by four private schools, and that Jesuit was up front and said he would have to take summer school and that he would not qualify for financial aid. His mother thinks Jesuit is the best school for him, I've been told, so she was willign to pass up easier admittance and a free ride at other private schools.

Anyway, enough of this. I enjoy intellectual banter, and I love HS sports, but this is getting old. Good luck to SL Carroll and to Jesuit this fall. I hope both do well, and I hope both always follow the rules. Here's a job for you SLC supporters: find out how many starting football players these past four years were "move-in's." By that, I mean they moved to SLC in or after 8th grade. Maybe they all did so because "the program recruits itself," but, maybe where there's smoke, there's fire.

[drgnbkr]

JCP....I've lived here in Southlake for 13 years, have 2 kids who have graduated and a rising 8th grader and from my perspective your "stories" are just another shot at a successful program...there have been many, and there will be more..good luck this season..

[CCHS77]

The "crap" I'm saying comes from head coach at two UIL schools who stated that some of their younger stars were "recruited" by SL Carroll "supporters." I can't tell you this is fact, but I don't doubt it is true.


What "Valuable consideration" did the Carroll supporters offer? Did they offer to buy a house in the Carroll school district?

[htownfootball]

speaking of private school football, what do you all think of JCP and SJ's chances next year in their sophomore year in football?
STRAKE JESUIT
key losses: Mike Lemming (C-Army), Alex Brown (OG- Fordham/1st team all-19-5A), Norbie Juist (DE/DS- Houston), LB Andrew Miller (Trinity),
key players:
WR/FS Stephen Tyree (Stanford basketball/football prospect)- DCTFM Texas top 20 athletes.
RB/LB Grant Jefferson- DCTFM Texas top 40 running backs.
DB Jonathan Moore- DCTFM top 40 defensive backs.
others to watch:
QB Tim Bandy- 12-5 overall record at starter.
DE Ryan Keel- 3 year starter
LB Scott Coffman- returning starter from loaded linebacker crew/ basketball starting center
TE David Tscheope- ACL tear sophomore year delayed him to playing until highlighted with 25 yard run in Cinco Ranch upset.
games to watch:
Strake Jesuit Crusaders vs. Katy HS Tigers at Crusader Stadium (my pick: Katy in front of the largest crowd to ever attend Crusader Stadium and the largest parking hassel in the school's history).
Strake Jesuit vs. St. Thomas HS (my pick: Jesuit for the 9th year in a row).
Strake Jesuit vs. St Pius X HS (my pick: Jesuit for the 4th time in 5 years).
Strake Jesuit vs. Katy Taylor Mustangs at Rhodes Stadium (my pick: Jesuit "upsets" Taylor after losing 9-3 last year at home).
Strake Jesuit vs. Cinco Ranch Cougars at Rhodes Stadium (my pick: Cinco Ranch reclaims Jesuit after being upset 21-16 after Cinco scores 16 points in the 4th quarter at Crusader Stadium).
Strake Jesuit vs. Baytown Lee Rebels at Crusader Stadium (my pick: Baytown Lee drops Jesuit at 0-1 to start the season after winning a tight one in Baytown, Texas last year 17-14).

[ktCarl]

speaking of private school football, what do you all think of JCP and SJ's chances next year in their sophomore year in football?
STRAKE JESUIT
key losses: Mike Lemming (C-Army), Alex Brown (OG- Fordham/1st team all-19-5A), Norbie Juist (DE/DS- Houston), LB Andrew Miller (Trinity),
key players:
WR/FS Stephen Tyree (Stanford basketball/football prospect)- DCTFM Texas top 20 athletes.
RB/LB Grant Jefferson- DCTFM Texas top 40 running backs.
DB Jonathan Moore- DCTFM top 40 defensive backs.
others to watch:
QB Tim Bandy- 12-5 overall record at starter.
DE Ryan Keel- 3 year starter
LB Scott Coffman- returning starter from loaded linebacker crew/ basketball starting center
TE David Tscheope- ACL tear sophomore year delayed him to playing until highlighted with 25 yard run in Cinco Ranch upset.
games to watch:
Strake Jesuit Crusaders vs. Katy HS Tigers at Crusader Stadium (my pick: Katy in front of the largest crowd to ever attend Crusader Stadium and the largest parking hassel in the school's history).
Strake Jesuit vs. St. Thomas HS (my pick: Jesuit for the 9th year in a row).
Strake Jesuit vs. St Pius X HS (my pick: Jesuit for the 4th time in 5 years).
Strake Jesuit vs. Katy Taylor Mustangs at Rhodes Stadium (my pick: Jesuit "upsets" Taylor after losing 9-3 last year at home).
Strake Jesuit vs. Cinco Ranch Cougars at Rhodes Stadium (my pick: Cinco Ranch reclaims Jesuit after being upset 21-16 after Cinco scores 16 points in the 4th quarter at Crusader Stadium).
Strake Jesuit vs. Baytown Lee Rebels at Crusader Stadium (my pick: Baytown Lee drops Jesuit at 0-1 to start the season after winning a tight one in Baytown, Texas last year 17-14).

I've seen photos of Strake's visitor stands. It's not big enough to fit the Tiger band! It may be the largest crowd ever at Strake but it will be one of Katy's smallest due to the fact there will be no place to park or sit.

[garlandowl08]

Fact:

The recruiting that goes on in Garland is fierce. Every coach in this area knows that.




because of Garlands school choice policy, "recruiting" is esistant in a sense, but it may not be the best example to use just because its so different from most other school districts.

[htownfootball]

supposedly jesuit is thinking of putting temporary stands up for katy that may seat more but not all since it will make so much money for the school. the katy band can well seat themselves in the visitor's stands but will definently leave less room for the fans themselves.
I loved watching the cinco ranch band or whatever play at halftime and I'm excited to see katy's too.

[PLAYMAKIN PANTHER]

I know Jesuit is a big name from private schools but why isnt any one talking about Nolan Catholic? Or as me and my friends like to call it "Nolan Heritage High School" because there so called "all star" quarterback Sean Hakes who was a backup to Chris Ponder our JV year and on B team freshman year goes there, along with "Patrick" himself Brian Dyer who is suposedly there best reciever now when he was the B team quarterback for half the freshman season and the jv season, and the very tiny Connor Rockaway who was on jv as a jr at CHHS. If those kids can be all stars at the state champions for private schools then that proves that private school football is awful.

[CoppellCowboy57]

It might be weak football, but they still have fans that come out friday nights to watch the game...I grew up watching the Trinty Christain Acdamy (Addison) Trojans play, and for like 4 yrs they were the #1 private school in the state...them and bishop lynch

[dragonsdaddy]

panther if what you said was true, there shouldn't be any privates playing at the next level. sometimes kids get their growth spurt, or are given the chance they never got at their previous school. btw, not every jv hero makes it big on the varsity. you have over-rationalized just a bit.