View Full Version : Longview's chances of going back to state and actually winning it all
pvillepanthers61
07-12-2009, 11:34 PM
Let me hear your thoughts and opinions whatever you got
just tell me why does longview have a chance to win the 4a division 1 title
Allstarkaw
07-12-2009, 11:37 PM
The abundance of returning starters and the lack of competition they will have due to the fact Sulphur lost their QB.
The abundance of returning starters and the lack of competition they will have due to the fact Sulphur lost their QB.
Sulpher wouldn't meat the Lobo's in the playoffs anyway. The Lobo's will be going D1 and Sulpher will/would be D2. And they were unable to beat them in district play even with Tyrick on the roster, as well as Texas High. In fact both those games for Sulpher Springs were fairly uncompetitive.
Longview has a wealth of talent returning and are the odds on favorite to win the D1 title. The only 4A team they lost to may need a season to be ready to compete at that level again, so honestly I see there bigest challenge being a game that wont affect the outcome of the season and thats Allen....That said, I think Longview beats Allen and goes undefeated this season.
Ennis HS 76
07-13-2009, 01:24 AM
Let me hear your thoughts and opinions whatever you got
just tell me why does longview have a chance to win the 4a division 1 title
No doubt Longview should be the favorite. But before we begin the coronation and all the festivities, I'm reminded of another school from two seasons ago that were in a similar position as Longview is now - a second year down-from-5A-state-4A-finalist, heavily favorite to return to the title game. But that team was knocked out in the first round the first round by a team they had clobbered just a few weeks earlier. Anything can happen. I'm not saying that this will happen to Longview. What I am saying is while the Lobos are the favorites, it wouldn't surprise me at all if they don't even reach the finals.
wolfpack4life
07-13-2009, 08:11 AM
No doubt Longview should be the favorite. But before we begin the coronation and all the festivities, I'm reminded of another school from two seasons ago that were in a similar position as Longview is now - a second year down-from-5A-state-4A-finalist, heavily favorite to return to the title game. But that team was knocked out in the first round the first round by a team they had clobbered just a few weeks earlier. Anything can happen. I'm not saying that this will happen to Longview. What I am saying is while the Lobos are the favorites, it wouldn't surprise me at all if they don't even reach the finals.
Sooo..will ennis be going d2 or d1?:rolleyes:
Ennis HS 76
07-13-2009, 08:32 AM
sooo..will ennis be going d2 or d1?:rolleyes:
d2 :D
wolfpack4life
07-13-2009, 08:34 AM
d2 :D
luckyyy:D
Aggies2009
07-13-2009, 08:46 AM
No doubt Longview should be the favorite. But before we begin the coronation and all the festivities, I'm reminded of another school from two seasons ago that were in a similar position as Longview is now - a second year down-from-5A-state-4A-finalist, heavily favorite to return to the title game. But that team was knocked out in the first round the first round by a team they had clobbered just a few weeks earlier. Anything can happen. I'm not saying that this will happen to Longview. What I am saying is while the Lobos are the favorites, it wouldn't surprise me at all if they don't even reach the finals.
I'll agree with this. Longview's 97 team went to state and returned plenty of starters and was ranked #1 in the state and like #10 in the nation. We didn't make the playoffs that year. And in 04 we went like 12-1 and then returned about 15 starters the next season and lost in the first round.
If Longview keeps their heads on their task, I don't see any team who can beat them outside of maybe Highland Park. If they mess around and think that a state title will be handed to them, they'll have a tough time getting past the 2nd or 3rd round.
Ennis HS 76
07-13-2009, 09:05 AM
luckyyy:D
yes you are!!! :D
Maroondog
07-13-2009, 09:32 AM
Well, on paper at least, who is better? However, you still gotta play the games.
They really do look like they are loaded and ready to get it done.
LoboBooster73
07-13-2009, 09:40 AM
If Longview keeps their heads on their task, I don't see any team who can beat them outside of maybe Highland Park. If they mess around and think that a state title will be handed to them, they'll have a tough time getting past the 2nd or 3rd round.
I also agree. No championship is ever won on paper. And regardless of how many starters returning, still have to execute and withstand injuries. I think HP will be a force within their district as always, but I'm skeptical that they can control a prudent run dominating offense. They didn't last year against Heath and Waco Midway, and they only return 2 starters from that defense.
LoboFan07
07-13-2009, 09:45 AM
This season is an almost perfect do over of the 2005 season.
Non-district action is tough, our two biggest threats in district play are right off the bat, and then less competition at the end of the season but still rivalry games with Hallsville and Pine Tree.
The week off at the end of the season really will help us IMO. Get healed up and ready to go for a playoff run.
It won't be easy. We aren't the greatest team to ever hit the field (at least not yet ;) ). But it's there. We have the talent. We have the defense. We have the offense. But most importantly we have the quarterback that I think could lead us to a State Title.
But first of all..the only thing we need to be concentrating on is Allen. And I can't wait for it.
ALLENFANDINGO5
07-13-2009, 09:55 AM
Longview has a wealth of talent returning and are the odds on favorite to win the D1 title. The only 4A team they lost to may need a season to be ready to compete at that level again, so honestly I see there bigest challenge being a game that wont affect the outcome of the season and thats Allen....That said, I think Longview beats Allen and goes undefeated this season.
Why do you think Longview beats Allen? I know they were equally matched last year and the Lobos have most of their skilled position players coming back but what else factors in the equation?
Favpack
07-13-2009, 09:58 AM
Coach King will get a deserved ring. Lobo nation will be proud of a state title and a 15-1 record.
:eek:
LoboBooster73
07-13-2009, 10:04 AM
Coach King will get a deserved ring. Lobo nation will be proud of a state title and a 15-1 record.
:eek:
Let me guess who, IYO, pins that loss on LGV. :p
Maroondog
07-13-2009, 10:05 AM
I think the Allen game can be key to the entire season. Even though the game is meaningless as far as playoff implications, should the LOBOS win, it will be the springboard for the entire season.
Lose and still play well against the defending champs will only strengthen their resolve to go on and win the 4-A trophy.
Matthew 2000 Eagle
07-13-2009, 10:42 AM
No doubt Longview should be the favorite. But before we begin the coronation and all the festivities, I'm reminded of another school from two seasons ago that were in a similar position as Longview is now - a second year down-from-5A-state-4A-finalist, heavily favorite to return to the title game. But that team was knocked out in the first round the first round by a team they had clobbered just a few weeks earlier. Anything can happen. I'm not saying that this will happen to Longview. What I am saying is while the Lobos are the favorites, it wouldn't surprise me at all if they don't even reach the finals.
Are we talking about Waco High?
Ennis HS 76
07-13-2009, 11:11 AM
Are we talking about Waco High?
yes sir!!!
lobo1982
07-13-2009, 11:24 AM
We enjoy playing Waco. We have never lost to them.I think we are 11-0 against them.
wolfpack4life
07-13-2009, 11:37 AM
yes you are!!! :D
:rolleyes:You would have to be out of your forehead if you think ennis can stick with longview...it makes me laugh jus thinking about it:laugh
gtee2
07-13-2009, 11:39 AM
If Lobos can fight off the injury bug and turnovers(what killed them in Allen game) we got a good chance. But like someone posted earlier, game are not won in DCTF...it's all on the field!
Matthew 2000 Eagle
07-13-2009, 11:40 AM
yes sir!!!
I thought that's who you were referring to but, I had to ask to be safe.
And, that Waco team was loaded, and coming off of a state championship appearance just like this Longview team is.
Matthew 2000 Eagle
07-13-2009, 11:42 AM
We enjoy playing Waco. We have never lost to them.I think we are 11-0 against them.
The squad y'all had with Bobby Taylor back in '89 was pretty good, IMO. That Trimble Tech team that y'all whooped in non district went on to pull off upsets against Lewisville and Bell in the postseason. And, then came Permian. OUCH!:eek:
Matthew 2000 Eagle
07-13-2009, 11:44 AM
If Lobos can fight off the injury bug and turnovers(what killed them in Allen game) we got a good chance. But like someone posted earlier, game are not won in DCTF...it's all on the field!
I like the Lobos chances if they can stay focused. I'm still shocked that y'all lost to South Garland in the first round a few years back.
LoboFan07
07-13-2009, 12:01 PM
We enjoy playing Waco. We have never lost to them.I think we are 11-0 against them.
Not only are we 11-0 against Waco....but we're also 14-0 against any high school from the city of Waco.
When it comes to Allen...Longview has played several highly ranked teams since the streak started in 2004 at home and all have fallen at the hands of the Lobos. Until I'm proved otherwise, I see no reason why it won't happen again.
gtee2
07-13-2009, 12:03 PM
If Lobos can fight off the injury bug and turnovers(what killed them in Allen game) we got a good chance. But like someone posted earlier, game are not won in DCTF...it's all on the field!
...and also a little bit of luck, aka midway game!
LoboFan07
07-13-2009, 12:14 PM
...and also a little bit of luck, aka midway game!
Or not blowing leads, aka midway game.
Ennis HS 76
07-13-2009, 12:20 PM
...and also a little bit of luck
Hard to win it all without a little luck along the way in the playoffs.
Favpack
07-13-2009, 01:29 PM
Let me guess who, IYO, pins that loss on LGV. :p
Haha, not sure, but I think we'll see a barn-burner at Abe. I feel confident Lufkin will snap this losing streak to LV.
wolfpack4life
07-13-2009, 01:35 PM
Haha, not sure, but I think we'll see a barn-burner at Abe. I feel confident Lufkin will snap this losing streak to LV.
:laughthats funny...i feel confident that we will end our losing streak at abe and CONTINUE our winning streak....but yea it surely will be a good game
LoboFan07
07-13-2009, 01:39 PM
I feel confident Lufkin will snap this losing streak to LV.
So nice to finally hear that, instead of the other way around.
gtee2
07-13-2009, 07:58 PM
Haha, not sure, but I think we'll see a barn-burner at Abe. I feel confident Lufkin will snap this losing streak to LV.
What is it...? two in a row? dat aint a losing streak! Try 9,10,11 or however many it was in a row! Dats a losing streak!
LPack007
07-13-2009, 08:01 PM
Why do you think Longview beats Allen? I know they were equally matched last year and the Lobos have most of their skilled position players coming back but what else factors in the equation?
Lobo stadium...
LP-79
07-13-2009, 09:37 PM
Nothing like the home cooking at Lobo stadium. And all the Longview graduates that just happen to have on zebra suits at game!:)
Why do you think Longview beats Allen? I know they were equally matched last year and the Lobos have most of their skilled position players coming back but what else factors in the equation?
The same thing that was likely the difference for Allen last season...No travel and home field advantage.
We enjoy playing Waco. We have never lost to them.I think we are 11-0 against them.
I think most series involving Longview has the Lobo's on top.
Ennis HS 76
07-13-2009, 10:10 PM
:rolleyes:You would have to be out of your forehead if you think ennis can stick with longview...it makes me laugh jus thinking about it:laugh
oh no, we're not worthy to be even mentioned in the same breath as Longview - :notworthy Laugh until your heart's content!!!
PRAISE LONGVIEW!!! :D
wolfpack4life
07-13-2009, 10:12 PM
oh no, we're not worthy to be even mentioned in the same breath as Longview - :notworthy Laugh until your heart's content!!!
PRAISE LONGVIEW!!! :D
haha..but nahh im just messing with you..ennis is a decent team
wolfpack4life
07-13-2009, 10:13 PM
I think most series involving Longview has the Lobo's on top.
yea i think the only series(that i can think of) that we are down is lufkin..but we are only down 1 game..but we will be tied soon:D
Ennis HS 76
07-13-2009, 10:18 PM
haha..but nahh im just messing with you..ennis is a decent team
:D I know!!! Just having fun. It's clear that it will be difficult for anyone to hang with the Lobos this year. But... ;)
wolfpack4life
07-13-2009, 10:20 PM
:D I know!!! Just having fun. It's clear that it will be difficult for anyone to hang with the Lobos this year. But... ;)
Yea i know anything can happen
Matthew 2000 Eagle
07-13-2009, 10:58 PM
Nothing like the home cooking at Lobo stadium. And all the Longview graduates that just happen to have on zebra suits at game!:)
Was it you, or someone else who told me that about the refs in Longview? Something about, they announce them at the start of the game and the year they graduated! LOL!
The last time I saw a game at Lobo was in '89.
Aggies2009
07-14-2009, 12:36 AM
Was it you, or someone else who told me that about the refs in Longview? Something about, they announce them at the start of the game and the year they graduated! LOL!
The last time I saw a game at Lobo was in '89.
Fav always laughed about how during homecoming 07, there was a ref who graduated from Longview and it was announced during a timeout. I don't remember him making any calls that affected the game dramatically one way or another, but some Lufkin fans tell me that it happened, so it might have... I have a DVD of that game somewhere; I'd have to go back and watch.
LoboBooster73
07-14-2009, 06:09 AM
Fav always laughed about how during homecoming 07, there was a ref who graduated from Longview and it was announced during a timeout. I don't remember him making any calls that affected the game dramatically one way or another, but some Lufkin fans tell me that it happened, so it might have... I have a DVD of that game somewhere; I'd have to go back and watch.
I think it was at the start of the game. I remember it because I turned around to the couple behind me and said "That could have gone unsaid!"
Aggies2009
07-14-2009, 08:54 AM
I think it was at the start of the game. I remember it because I turned around to the couple behind me and said "That could have gone unsaid!"
Hmm... I remember turning to my friend and saying, "Well, it's not that official's fault that they spotted us a 21-0 lead," so I dunno.
Either way, it was a one-time thing that only happened because it was homecoming, not the norm.
Matthew 2000 Eagle
07-14-2009, 10:48 AM
Fav always laughed about how during homecoming 07, there was a ref who graduated from Longview and it was announced during a timeout. I don't remember him making any calls that affected the game dramatically one way or another, but some Lufkin fans tell me that it happened, so it might have... I have a DVD of that game somewhere; I'd have to go back and watch.
Okay, Fav is the one that said it. I couldn't remember who it was but, I knew it was someone on here. LOL!
LoboFan07
07-14-2009, 11:11 AM
yea i think the only series(that i can think of) that we are down is lufkin..but we are only down 1 game..but we will be tied soon:D
There's several series that Longview is down in. :cool:
Just including teams that we've played more than once...
Allen (1-2), Cy Fair (0-2), Gilmer (9-11-4), Highland Park (3-4), Irving (0-2), Lufkin (32-33-4), Paris (3-4), Plano (3-4), PA Memorial (3-5-2), Port Neches Groves (0-1-2), Spring Branch (0-2), and West Monroe (1-3).
But having only 12 teams out of a 100 year history that you have a losing record to (when playing 2 or more games), is pretty darn good.
Hmm... I remember turning to my friend and saying, "Well, it's not that official's fault that they spotted us a 21-0 lead," so I dunno.
A 28-0 lead...plus a 8+ minute drive in the 4th quarter. All the refs fault. ;)
yea i think the only series(that i can think of) that we are down is lufkin..but we are only down 1 game..but we will be tied soon:D
You actually play 2 teams this season that you are down to. The Lobo's have a chance to tie the series with Allen and Lufkin. Overall though there aren't many...Thats a great credit to the rich history at Longview High and to all those that have played through the years.
LoboBooster73
07-14-2009, 03:25 PM
The same thing that was likely the difference for Allen last season...No travel and home field advantage.
The 5 turnovers by Longview might have been a factor, also.
But, you are right in that rematches at Lobo stadium have been to the advantage of LGV:
2000 Loss to #3 Midland Lee in Midland, 2001 Win over #2 Midland Lee in LGV
2001 Loss to Lake Highlands @ Wildcat-Ram, 2002 Win over LH in LGV
2001 Loss to #1 Evangel in Shreveport, 2002 Win over #1 Evangel in LGV
2007 Loss to Lufkin at Abe (Wk 0), 2007 Win over Lufkin (Wk 4) in LGV
PackAttack2005
07-19-2009, 02:43 PM
My personal guess is there is alot of pressure on Longview to win that 4A title before they move back up to 5A next season. I think it would be a HUGE let down for the fans of that program if they don't get their elusive ring this year because they are absolutly loaded this year. It doesn't mean much in non-district if they lose one or two because they are playing some pretty good 5A programs. The Lobos should get through their district unscathed. Denton Guyer could give LV another tough playoff game or maybe Freindship, Waco or Corsicana would provide tough playoff competition. I still don't see any of them stopping the Lobos this year.
b756561
07-20-2009, 10:31 PM
My personal guess is there is alot of pressure on Longview to win that 4A title before they move back up to 5A next season. I think it would be a HUGE let down for the fans of that program if they don't get their elusive ring this year because they are absolutly loaded this year. It doesn't mean much in non-district if they lose one or two because they are playing some pretty good 5A programs. The Lobos should get through their district unscathed. Denton Guyer could give LV another tough playoff game or maybe Freindship, Waco or Corsicana would provide tough playoff competition. I still don't see any of them stopping the Lobos this year.
Denton Guyer may be the team to watch this year. I know they were underrated last year, but they ARE a very good team. :)
ALLENFANDINGO5
07-24-2009, 07:25 PM
Longview fans, has anyone heard the game may be moved for TV purposes?
skyblueice04
07-25-2009, 11:08 AM
No, havent heard that but will check into it?
Aggies2009
07-25-2009, 01:39 PM
Longview fans, has anyone heard the game may be moved for TV purposes?
Yeah, I heard that. Still in talks...
Kingwolf
07-28-2009, 06:58 PM
I am not sold on the whole state champ trophy yet....we have some work to do on defense and if an injury that I know about does not get better, then we are in trouble...:confused:
LPack007
07-28-2009, 09:02 PM
My personal guess is there is alot of pressure on Longview to win that 4A title before they move back up to 5A next season. I think it would be a HUGE let down for the fans of that program if they don't get their elusive ring this year because they are absolutly loaded this year. It doesn't mean much in non-district if they lose one or two because they are playing some pretty good 5A programs. The Lobos should get through their district unscathed. Denton Guyer could give LV another tough playoff game or maybe Freindship, Waco or Corsicana would provide tough playoff competition. I still don't see any of them stopping the Lobos this year.
I do if Tyler doesn't come back...
clemensbuff
07-28-2009, 10:09 PM
and if an injury that I know about does not get better, then we are in trouble...:confused:
I truly hope that is not the case. It stinks when a team loses a key player or that player is not at 100%. Hopefully he gets healthy and has a heck of a year.
The 5 turnovers by Longview might have been a factor, also.
But, you are right in that rematches at Lobo stadium have been to the advantage of LGV:
2000 Loss to #3 Midland Lee in Midland, 2001 Win over #2 Midland Lee in LGV
2001 Loss to Lake Highlands @ Wildcat-Ram, 2002 Win over LH in LGV
2001 Loss to #1 Evangel in Shreveport, 2002 Win over #1 Evangel in LGV
2007 Loss to Lufkin at Abe (Wk 0), 2007 Win over Lufkin (Wk 4) in LGV
No doubt, but certainly those 5 turnovers came against a game Allen defense. My guess is that the outcome would have been quite a bit different without those 5 TO's though. Those thing are definate game changers.
LoboBooster73
08-04-2009, 06:56 PM
Also, there's nothing like home cooking.
By the way, in Rivals.com preseason poll:
No. 49 Longview, Texas
clemensbuff
08-06-2009, 07:02 AM
Also, there's nothing like home cooking.
By the way, in Rivals.com preseason poll:
No. 49 Longview, Texas
My bet is that LV is better then 49th in the Country!!!!
My bet is that LV is better then 49th in the Country!!!!
I suspect you are right. Somewhere around the top 30 I would say.
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