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scottie2
07-09-2009, 05:07 PM
Thought my 5a friends would like to read this as well

Fascination with Highland Park


As I look over the posts in this section of the website, over half of them in some way mention Highland Park . My good friends Bowie Dawg, Red Rage, and my Plano Wildcat friends all seem to report balanced intelligent posts regarding HP.Others seem to let thier feelings about the storied program get in the way of rational thought.

There is no question that HP's storied sucess in all sports causes a great deal of jealousy and irrational thought by some regulars on this site. Here are a few of the most ridiculous accusations:

HP is really a 5A school that cheats or lies about the numbers to stay in 4A.
Do you really believe this? HP has beaten numerous 5A scools in its history.
HP buys or bribes UIL officials to stay in 4A?
Do you really believe this?
HP should play up to 5A
How many schools really do this for reasons other than to keep schools in the same district?
HP hasn't won many state championships in the highest classifcations
HP has won one state championship and played for another one in the past 10 years
HP plays a soft schedule.
Believe it or not they have a very difficult time scheduling games espicially with 5A schools .... you know why we win

Bass
07-09-2009, 05:10 PM
You think over half of the posts on this forum mention Highland Park?

scottie2
07-09-2009, 05:12 PM
You think over half of the posts on this forum mention Highland Park?

On "the best of rest" all they do is talk about HP

SWMHebron
07-09-2009, 05:18 PM
Thought my 5a friends would like to read this as well

Fascination with Highland Park


As I look over the posts in this section of the website, over half of them in some way mention Highland Park . My good friends Bowie Dawg, Red Rage, and my Plano Wildcat friends all seem to report balanced intelligent posts regarding HP.Others seem to let thier feelings about the storied program get in the way of rational thought.

There is no question that HP's storied sucess in all sports causes a great deal of jealousy and irrational thought by some regulars on this site. Here are a few of the most ridiculous accusations:

HP is really a 5A school that cheats or lies about the numbers to stay in 4A.
Do you really believe this? HP has beaten numerous 5A scools in its history.
HP buys or bribes UIL officials to stay in 4A?
Do you really believe this?
HP should play up to 5A
How many schools really do this for reasons other than to keep schools in the same district?
HP hasn't won many state championships in the highest classifcations
HP has won one state championship and played for another one in the past 10 years
HP plays a soft schedule.
Believe it or not they have a very difficult time scheduling games espicially with 5A schools .... you know why we win

You thought wrong.

SLC
07-09-2009, 05:30 PM
http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o178/svogan/Fishin.jpg

Wypirates03
07-09-2009, 05:41 PM
On "the best of rest" all they do is talk about HP

Ok, well... then keep this in "The best of the rest"... because that's all you guys are... "the rest"

SWMHebron
07-09-2009, 05:47 PM
Ok, well... then keep this in "The best of the rest"... because that's all you guys are... "the rest"

:notworthy

LPack007
07-09-2009, 06:26 PM
Ok, well... then keep this in "The best of the rest"... because that's all you guys are... "the rest"

Lmao.

bowiedawgs01
07-09-2009, 06:28 PM
Ok, well... then keep this in "The best of the rest"... because that's all you guys are... "the rest"

Will you say the same after Wylie drops to "the Rest?"

E-Vol-ution
07-09-2009, 06:33 PM
Relevancy? Get over yourself......go back to "best of the rest". That may be why you're specifically mentioned "there". Back to the launching platform Scottie.......
Thought my 5a friends would like to read this as well

Fascination with Highland Park


As I look over the posts in this section of the website, over half of them in some way mention Highland Park . My good friends Bowie Dawg, Red Rage, and my Plano Wildcat friends all seem to report balanced intelligent posts regarding HP.Others seem to let thier feelings about the storied program get in the way of rational thought.

There is no question that HP's storied sucess in all sports causes a great deal of jealousy and irrational thought by some regulars on this site. Here are a few of the most ridiculous accusations:

HP is really a 5A school that cheats or lies about the numbers to stay in 4A.
Do you really believe this? HP has beaten numerous 5A scools in its history.
HP buys or bribes UIL officials to stay in 4A?
Do you really believe this?
HP should play up to 5A
How many schools really do this for reasons other than to keep schools in the same district?
HP hasn't won many state championships in the highest classifcations
HP has won one state championship and played for another one in the past 10 years
HP plays a soft schedule.
Believe it or not they have a very difficult time scheduling games espicially with 5A schools .... you know why we win

Wypirates03
07-09-2009, 07:02 PM
Will you say the same after Wylie drops to "the Rest?"

I will not talk on this board about Wylie if they drop. Rumor right now is that they will stay 5A due to Wylie East never being finished and they are currently capped at 1600 students.

Maroondog
07-09-2009, 07:35 PM
scottie you are lame. Half the posts are about HP.... :laugh

F18mustang
07-09-2009, 07:38 PM
Who is Highland Park?

Bill4par
07-09-2009, 07:52 PM
Scottie2......You suffer from intellectual vertigo my 4A friend. You are a nut case.:eek:

drgnbkr
07-09-2009, 08:38 PM
As I've always said..when HP is ready to play with the big boys, report your attendance accurately and join us! Until then, you'll be second rate.

bowiedawgs01
07-09-2009, 08:44 PM
As I've always said..when HP is ready to play with the big boys, report your attendance accurately and join us! Until then, you'll be second rate.

As I've always said, learn how things work and you won't show yourself to be ignorant.

bowiedawgs01
07-09-2009, 08:48 PM
btw, I realize scottie is fishing with this. It shouldn't be on the 5A board.

grayowl60
07-09-2009, 08:58 PM
As I've always said..when HP is ready to play with the big boys, report your attendance accurately and join us! Until then, you'll be second rate.
Maybe when you get out of school, and learn something you wont be so ignorant.....oh wait... never mind, I forgot, you got to be IN school to be smart and know how things work...:rolleyes:...:D

Fleeman93
07-09-2009, 09:09 PM
Highland Park has won how many 4A titles? Pretty safe to say if they really thought they were worth a damn they would opt up like the 4A programs that want to try and gain respect.

bowiedawgs01
07-09-2009, 09:09 PM
Highland Park has won how many 4A titles? Pretty safe to say if they really thought they were worth a damn they would opt up like the 4A programs that want to try and gain respect.

Name 1 that opted up successfully because they wanted to "gain respect."

grayowl60
07-09-2009, 09:20 PM
Name 1 that opted up successfully because they wanted to "gain respect."
Dallas Carter.... more like they wanted to keep respect. Played 5a with 1700-1800 enrollment for several years

bowiedawgs01
07-09-2009, 09:21 PM
The UIL did not allow them to opt up because of respect.

grayowl60
07-09-2009, 09:26 PM
The UIL did not allow them to opt up because of respect.
Excuse me?:notworthy Why dont you check out your facts and you wont look so ignorant. It was thier option to play in 4A or 5A. Did you check with them as to why they chose to play up?.....cheeese...(yawn)

GoOwls
07-09-2009, 11:55 PM
On "the best of rest" all they do is talk about HP

What is "the best of the rest"?

Is it something about second place?

Is it something about football?

Is it something about little schools?

Do these schools play football with a round ball or an oblong ball?

Do they play with 11 men or less?

Do the stadiums have bleachers or seats?

Are the referees daddies that just got off work or the real thing?

Goal posts?

100 yard fields?

Facemasks?

Tracks around the fields?

Parking?

Certainly don't sound like 5A ball.....guess it ain't.....:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :D

F18mustang
07-10-2009, 12:01 AM
Do these schools play football with a round ball or an oblong ball?


http://pics.livejournal.com/mutatoid/pic/00001r61

bowiedawgs01
07-10-2009, 12:25 AM
Excuse me?:notworthy Why dont you check out your facts and you wont look so ignorant. It was thier option to play in 4A or 5A. Did you check with them as to why they chose to play up?.....cheeese...(yawn)

It doesn't matter why Carter chose to do it. It matters why the UIL allowed them to.

You say ignorance is bliss. I guess you would know best.

DrEdward
07-10-2009, 12:31 AM
Good grief. What prompted this HP outburst? :(

Aggies2009
07-10-2009, 12:34 AM
Good grief. What prompted this HP outburst? :(

The HP fans/those who live vicariously through them didn't get the rise they were hoping for out of people on the 4A board, so they came here for attention. Nothing to see; move along.

bowiedawgs01
07-10-2009, 12:57 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/lzppjb/officerBarbrady.gif

Fleeman93
07-10-2009, 08:05 AM
Name 1 that opted up successfully because they wanted to "gain respect."

Obviously it isn't that easy. Just because you opt up doesn't mean you will be successful. I'm just saying that I bet MOST of the people here on this board could give less than a crap about 4A football when compared to 5A ball here in Texas.

Bill4par
07-10-2009, 08:30 AM
....Send me a picture of that dude walking around HP trying to make a fashion statement with the Blue Blazer, khaki shorts and black knee high socks, somehow that image is suitable for HP.

grayowl60
07-10-2009, 08:58 AM
Name 1 that opted up successfully because they wanted to "gain respect."
Duh.... Answere to that question: Dallas Carter. Coach Wilson Could have played in 4A for years.... He chose to play in 5A....hello... Anybody home. Ingnorance must be truley bliss. Go back to class and learn how to phrase a question if you dont want an answere.

Plano Wildcat Fan
07-10-2009, 09:00 AM
Obviously it isn't that easy. Just because you opt up doesn't mean you will be successful. I'm just saying that I bet MOST of the people here on this board could give less than a crap about 4A football when compared to 5A ball here in Texas.

And girls softball for that matter too.;)

grayowl60
07-10-2009, 09:00 AM
Good grief. What prompted this HP outburst? :(
Arrogant, pushy, ignorant, braging posters

Maroondog
07-10-2009, 09:02 AM
I'm totally fascinated by this thread. :(

RedRage00
07-10-2009, 09:05 AM
LOL! This thread is total fishing.

grayowl60
07-10-2009, 09:06 AM
And girls softball for that matter too.;)
Some people dont want any other school to get recongnition for ANYTHING... unless its thier school.... whine about the lone star cup again:Censor:

bigdaddydog
07-10-2009, 12:23 PM
Arrogant, pushy, ignorant, braging posters

No, Boredom...

Mummy and Daddy jetted off to Europe for a couple weeks of R & R and JR. was left to defend the castle... :D:notworthy



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F18mustang
07-10-2009, 12:25 PM
LOL! This thread is total fishing.

I think it kinda backfired on scottie.

E-Vol-ution
07-10-2009, 12:34 PM
I'm fascinated..........:rolleyes:

I think it kinda backfired on scottie.

bowiedawgs01
07-10-2009, 12:55 PM
Duh.... Answere to that question: Dallas Carter. Coach Wilson Could have played in 4A for years.... He chose to play in 5A....hello... Anybody home. Ingnorance must be truley bliss. Go back to class and learn how to phrase a question if you dont want an answere.

Fine.

Name one school with 4A numbers that was not part of a multi-school district, or have an extreme travel hardship, that was allowed by the UIL to opt up to 5A based solely on the school's desire to gain respect.

E-Vol-ution
07-10-2009, 01:05 PM
They have to play barefoot too?:D
Fine.

Name one school with 4A numbers that was not part of a multi-school district, or have an extreme travel hardship, that was allowed by the UIL to opt up to 5A based solely on the school's desire to gain respect.

bowiedawgs01
07-10-2009, 01:58 PM
They have to play barefoot too?:D

Yes, they do. Filthy hobbits.

E-Vol-ution
07-10-2009, 02:01 PM
Wait a minute.....you can't question a hobbit's heart.:notworthy
Yes, they do. Filthy hobbits.

grayowl60
07-10-2009, 04:11 PM
And girls softball for that matter too.;)
Plano East did great in softball this year, final four!:notworthy.....Oh wait, thats the wrong program, they are not elite. Dont be giving any of those kids any recognition

SLC
07-10-2009, 04:33 PM
http://www.tscu.org/pictures/GetHooked.jpg

Maroondog
07-10-2009, 04:39 PM
I continue to be fascinated with this thread. :p

SLC
07-10-2009, 05:12 PM
I continue to be fascinated with this thread. :p


You're a Plano guy...You're easily fascinated.

Plano Wildcat Fan
07-10-2009, 10:34 PM
Plano East did great in softball this year, final four!:notworthy.....Oh wait, thats the wrong program, they are not elite. Dont be giving any of those kids any recognition


I don't care about girls softball, boys baseball or any other sport on this site but football. I could care less if All of Plano's non football sport teams won the state title and won the all sports title with the most points all time. If they didn't win the title in football in my opinion its a let down.

Did you see me on here talking smack when Plano won the boys state title in soccer? No.

By the way how did that owls 7 on 7 do in the state tournament today? I couldn't find any of their games, can you please update on how they did.;)

grayowl60
07-11-2009, 09:01 AM
I don't care about girls softball, boys baseball or any other sport on this site but football. I could care less if All of Plano's non football sport teams won the state title and won the all sports title with the most points all time. If they didn't win the title in football in my opinion its a let down.

Did you see me on here talking smack when Plano won the boys state title in soccer? No.

By the way how did that owls 7 on 7 do in the state tournament today? I couldn't find any of their games, can you please update on how they did.;)
Interesting. Obviously YOU dont care about The lone star cup iether, Or ANY activity where YOU or the school you support is not recognized.... O but wait..7 do 7 is different... right? Typical.... interesting that your school could come up with 10 or 12 boys to play... out of what is it now 5500 students. Garland didnt make it this year, got beat out by Wylie in the one ( I think) SQT they played,,,, does that make you feel just real good.
I guess some teams that cant cut it in football, now are working at being "elite" in 7 at 7. wow. "got to hang your hat somewhere".
BTW where were you in the third round last year in REAL football?

Plano Wildcat Fan
07-11-2009, 10:40 AM
Interesting. Obviously YOU dont care about The lone star cup iether, Or ANY activity where YOU or the school you support is not recognized.... O but wait..7 do 7 is different... right? Typical.... interesting that your school could come up with 10 or 12 boys to play... out of what is it now 5500 students. Garland didnt make it this year, got beat out by Wylie in the one ( I think) SQT they played,,,, does that make you feel just real good.
I guess some teams that cant cut it in football, now are working at being "elite" in 7 at 7. wow. "got to hang your hat somewhere".
BTW where were you in the third round last year in REAL football?

Be careful!!this is how it started last time and we all know you got the longest all time ban in site history. :D

Matthew 2000 Eagle
07-11-2009, 10:52 AM
Dallas Carter.... more like they wanted to keep respect. Played 5a with 1700-1800 enrollment for several years

Actually, I remember Carter having less than that at one time. Before Carter dropped to 4A and they were still in 5A, Kimball was playing 4A ball with more students than Carter.

I'm not sure who has more out of the 2 now but, Kimball had a higher attendance than Carter did for a minute.

grayowl60
07-11-2009, 11:05 AM
Be careful!!this is how it started last time and we all know you got the longest all time ban in site history. :D
Yes, well see what you can do. You do man... right? Interesting that Plano just got beat in 7 into 7 by the school that won the Lone Star Cup:notworthy...:D
Bring it.... or is that "a bridge under water"
or "dam skimpy"? Tell me about how it happened when YOU signed YOUR letter to go to college...... or is it about the kids:Censor:
But I really do appreciate your concern about me being banned... have you been banned?

Trinity Trojan Fan For Li
07-11-2009, 11:44 AM
This sums up 5A's opinion of HP:

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bigdaddydog
07-11-2009, 11:59 AM
This sums up 5A's opinion of HP:

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You go places where no man dare tread! Fabulous graphics darling!! :D:notworthy:notworthy


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Maroondog
07-11-2009, 12:11 PM
You go places where no man dare tread! Fabulous graphics darling!! :D:notworthy:notworthy


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I think I got something on my shoe. :D

Trinity Trojan Fan For Li
07-11-2009, 12:24 PM
You go places where no man dare tread! Fabulous graphics darling!! :D:notworthy:notworthy


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Thank you - I pirated the graphics.

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F18mustang
07-11-2009, 12:28 PM
This sums up 5A's opinion of HP:

<img src="http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p165/commentgraphics/Insults/insult_6.gif" border="0"></a><br><a </a><BR>

How very Rocketgrl of you.

Otis Campbell
07-11-2009, 03:59 PM
Fine.

Name one school with 4A numbers that was not part of a multi-school district, or have an extreme travel hardship, that was allowed by the UIL to opt up to 5A based solely on the school's desire to gain respect.

Willson had nothing to do with the decision to keep Carter 5a. That was done at the adminstrative level. It was done to keep DISD in an all-DISD district in 5a. Once Kimball, BA, North Dallas, and Samuell all dropped to 4a numbers, it became much easier to have all DISD 4a districts, so they all dropped. If you notice, none of them are anywhere close to 5a numbers anymore.
The same is currently being done in Garland ISD. Lakeview and South Garland are all below 4a numbers, and North Garland is close. But, with them all 5a, GISD gets their own district and Homer B gets to call all the shots.

Otis Campbell
07-11-2009, 04:00 PM
Not sure why there's a 3 page thread about Amarillo Highland Park. The Hornets have won 4 games in 2 years. Dont see much to talk about there.

DrEdward
07-11-2009, 04:22 PM
Not sure why there's a 3 page thread about Amarillo Highland Park. The Hornets have won 4 games in 2 years. Dont see much to talk about there.

Nice touch.

bowiedawgs01
07-11-2009, 04:49 PM
Willson had nothing to do with the decision to keep Carter 5a. That was done at the adminstrative level. It was done to keep DISD in an all-DISD district in 5a. Once Kimball, BA, North Dallas, and Samuell all dropped to 4a numbers, it became much easier to have all DISD 4a districts, so they all dropped. If you notice, none of them are anywhere close to 5a numbers anymore.
The same is currently being done in Garland ISD. Lakeview and South Garland are all below 4a numbers, and North Garland is close. But, with them all 5a, GISD gets their own district and Homer B gets to call all the shots.

Exactly what I've heard re: DISD.

The two Garland ISD schools you mention are just barely above the 5A cutoff. Lake has 2093 and South Garland has 2096.

By the way, there are 14 schools in 4A with larger enrollments than HP. Just food for thought.

grayowl60
07-11-2009, 05:11 PM
Willson had nothing to do with the decision to keep Carter 5a. That was done at the adminstrative level. It was done to keep DISD in an all-DISD district in 5a. Once Kimball, BA, North Dallas, and Samuell all dropped to 4a numbers, it became much easier to have all DISD 4a districts, so they all dropped. If you notice, none of them are anywhere close to 5a numbers anymore.
The same is currently being done in Garland ISD. Lakeview and South Garland are all below 4a numbers, and North Garland is close. But, with them all 5a, GISD gets their own district and Homer B gets to call all the shots.
Wilson could have vetoed the 5A deal... and chose to be in 5A. Dont know if South or North have ever had 4A numbers, at least not recently. Lakeview was under a few years back, after Rowlett opened. Coach Johnson calls very few shots now. The uil rule is 8 schools are needed, exception made for Garland isd which has seven. Just food for thought.

Otis Campbell
07-11-2009, 05:47 PM
Wilson had no say in the classification, I promise you this. I know this first hand. The decision to stay up was made on Knox Street, and the decision to drop down was made in Austin. Wilson had no say in staying up, and DISD had no say when they finally dropped.
Homer B pretty much leaves all decisions to Campbell, except for football. It's no accident that Rowlett won the 3-way tie for the district championship, yet entered the playoffs as the #2 seed. No other district in the metroplex does that, and 10-5a didnt do it thataway either, until last year.

grayowl60
07-11-2009, 06:40 PM
Wilson had no say in the classification, I promise you this. I know this first hand. The decision to stay up was made on Knox Street, and the decision to drop down was made in Austin. Wilson had no say in staying up, and DISD had no say when they finally dropped.
Homer B pretty much leaves all decisions to Campbell, except for football. It's no accident that Rowlett won the 3-way tie for the district championship, yet entered the playoffs as the #2 seed. No other district in the metroplex does that, and 10-5a didnt do it thataway either, until last year.
Well then, are you saying that if coach Wilson had NOT wanted to opt up, and pitched a fit, they would have ignored him? I know this, he is important in the DISD program and has input. Are you one of those "insiders" at Garland that CLAIMS coach Johnson leans toward GHS?:rolleyes:

Otis Campbell
07-11-2009, 06:53 PM
Well then, are you saying that if coach Wilson had NOT wanted to opt up, and pitched a fit, they would have ignored him? I know this, he is important in the DISD program and has input. Are you one of those "insiders" at Garland that CLAIMS coach Johnson leans toward GHS?:rolleyes:

Wilson never wanted to opt up. No one ever asked him. He took the job thinking they'd be dropping(they were already at 4a numbers and then Kimball had dropped too). When they didn't, he wasn't happy but he didnt have any say in the matter. Needless to say, he was very happy when the UIL told DISD they'd be dropping.
Are you one of those GHS supporters who attempts to claim that there's no bias? There's a VERY obvious hierachy in GISD, with GHS being number uno. Sachse is a distant second with Rowlett being very close to them at 3rd. Lump the rest however you want, they're all on pretty much equal footing. It's gotten better over the years, thanks in huge part to coaches like Moss at South, Hardin at Rowlett, and Patterson at Naaman, but it's still there, big time!

twcpfan1
07-11-2009, 07:40 PM
Why was this moved? I do realize it's a fishing expedition by a fan of a 4a school but it was clear that it was intended for the 5a fans specifically in DFW.

Otis Campbell
07-11-2009, 08:23 PM
Why was this moved? I do realize it's a fishing expedition by a fan of a 4a school but it was clear that it was intended for the 5a fans specifically in DFW.

Amarillo Highland Park is 4a? I thought they were 2a.:confused:

grayowl60
07-11-2009, 10:06 PM
Wilson never wanted to opt up. No one ever asked him. He took the job thinking they'd be dropping(they were already at 4a numbers and then Kimball had dropped too). When they didn't, he wasn't happy but he didnt have any say in the matter. Needless to say, he was very happy when the UIL told DISD they'd be dropping.
Are you one of those GHS supporters who attempts to claim that there's no bias? There's a VERY obvious hierachy in GISD, with GHS being number uno. Sachse is a distant second with Rowlett being very close to them at 3rd. Lump the rest however you want, they're all on pretty much equal footing. It's gotten better over the years, thanks in huge part to coaches like Moss at South, Hardin at Rowlett, and Patterson at Naaman, but it's still there, big time!
I see, Bwahaha...(nod to go owls) that explains it!!!:confused: How do you think your colonals will do this year? Same ol same ol:rolleyes:

Otis Campbell
07-11-2009, 10:29 PM
My Colonials? I have absolutely zero affiliation with South Garland. You must have me mixed up. But, I think South takes 2nd or 3rd in district. Will be loaded with athletes, but may not be able to put it together. My picks:
1. Garland
2. Naaman
3. South
4. Sachse
5. Rowlett
6. Lakeview
7. North

grayowl60
07-11-2009, 10:49 PM
My Colonials? I have absolutely zero affiliation with South Garland. You must have me mixed up. But, I think South takes 2nd or 3rd in district. Will be loaded with athletes, but may not be able to put it together. My picks:
1. Garland
2. Naaman
3. South
4. Sachse
5. Rowlett
6. Lakeview
7. North
Oh, so sorry. The "HBJ prefers GHS" claim (everybody knows... yawn) sounds like an old old South whine

Otis Campbell
07-11-2009, 11:07 PM
Nope, definately not a South affiliate. Relatively new to the GISD scene. I never really thought it was true at all before. Then I figured it was just the powers that be in general that set GISD up to benefit GHS(and please dont try to tell me otherwise. It's gotta be great when the entire district is your attendance zone) and not necessarily Homer B. But, when I saw it with my own eyes, I became a believer.
One thing good about it(I guess ); every head coach in the district knows you won't get fired for losing, unless you coach at GHS. LOL

grayowl60
07-12-2009, 09:50 AM
Nope, definately not a South affiliate. Relatively new to the GISD scene. I never really thought it was true at all before. Then I figured it was just the powers that be in general that set GISD up to benefit GHS(and please dont try to tell me otherwise. It's gotta be great when the entire district is your attendance zone) and not necessarily Homer B. But, when I saw it with my own eyes, I became a believer.
One thing good about it(I guess ); every head coach in the district knows you won't get fired for losing, unless you coach at GHS. LOL
Yep, you got the company line down word for word... general claims, no facts, yada yada. Some other losers outside the district have picked it up too. Especially when The Owls surprise and have a good run. You know... how could that happen?:eek::rolleyes:

yallerjacket2
07-12-2009, 11:13 AM
Yep, you got the company line down word for word... general claims, no facts, yada yada. Some other losers outside the district have picked it up too. Especially when The Owls surprise and have a good run. You know... how could that happen?:eek::rolleyes:

Sounds kinda like some posters who like to get on here and bash Highland Park regularly.

grayowl60
07-12-2009, 12:52 PM
Sounds kinda like some posters who like to get on here and bash Highland Park regularly.
How dare anybody give opinions and facts about a "storied, 4A" program like that:eek:
See. little Garland is not storied or elite, nobody claims it is. Hell, Garland only has four championships in the last 60 years or so (many non storied programs have more)... a storied program shurely has more than that!!!

Ennis HS 76
07-12-2009, 02:01 PM
Actually, I remember Carter having less than that at one time. Before Carter dropped to 4A and they were still in 5A, Kimball was playing 4A ball with more students than Carter.

I'm not sure who has more out of the 2 now but, Kimball had a higher attendance than Carter did for a minute.

From last two UIL enrollment numbers:

2008-10
Dallas Carter - 1451
Dallas Kimball - 1512

2006-08
Dallas Carter - 1873
Dallas Kimball - 1686.5

While Kimball is larger now, Carter's "official" enrollment numbers were actually larger than Kimball's during the Cowboy's final two seasons in 5A (I don't have the enrollment figures prior to 2006). If Carter drops another 400+ students for the upcoming realignment, they would be among the smallest 4A schools...

Otis Campbell
07-12-2009, 02:05 PM
Yep, you got the company line down word for word... general claims, no facts, yada yada. Some other losers outside the district have picked it up too. Especially when The Owls surprise and have a good run. You know... how could that happen?:eek::rolleyes:


Surpise with a good run? Who's suprised? Im shocked when it DOESNT happen.
Ive got facts, but you'll just say they're not true. How 'bout the way GHS is NEVER at capacity b/c of so many kids being bused out of GHS's attendence zone to other schools, to promite "diversity". Seems almost all of those kids are of hispanic decent, as well(historically, they dont make very good football players). IB program and all of the attractive magnet programs just happen to be at GHS as well( Rowlett has a choir program and North has the math and science magnet. That'll get more athletes than law, ag, and music production :rolleyes:). Austin Academy is little more than a GHS recruiting tool, as well.
Then of course, there's the recruiting, starting with the Garland PeeWee coaches(funny how they all wear GHS gear all the time). Then, there are the two GHS coaches(dont know their names, but I wouldn't post it if I did) who do their recruiting at the middle schools. Have heard stories of showing up to schools with bags of McDonalds food, hanging out in the stands of games and track meets, talking to parents. Coach Wright at South got a crash course in that last year. A happy camper he wasn't, but that's the way it is.
Of course, I just assumed this was the way it's been forever so I didn't put any of it on HBJ. Hell, he's 200 years old, he's not gonna change anything. But then, at the end of last year, 3 way tie for 1st. Garland beat Rowlett by 7, Naaman beat GHS by 1, Rowlett beat Naaman by 14. That puts Rowlett as district champs and #1 seed, right? That gives Rowlett a bi-district game with Berkner and GHS a date with Skyline and their 12 D1 kids, right? In any other year, in any other district, yes. But, I watched as HBJ took the white out out of his desk and changed the rules as to how 10-5a seeded their teams, giving GHS a MUCH easier bi-district opponent.
Im sure you'll deny this, just as all GHS supporters do. Doesn't change anything. Everyone in the district knows how business is done, and Ive seen it first hand.

grayowl60
07-12-2009, 02:26 PM
Surpise with a good run? Who's suprised? Im shocked when it DOESNT happen.
Ive got facts, but you'll just say they're not true. How 'bout the way GHS is NEVER at capacity b/c of so many kids being bused out of GHS's attendence zone to other schools, to promite "diversity". Seems almost all of those kids are of hispanic decent, as well(historically, they dont make very good football players). IB program and all of the attractive magnet programs just happen to be at GHS as well( Rowlett has a choir program and North has the math and science magnet. That'll get more athletes than law, ag, and music production :rolleyes:). Austin Academy is little more than a GHS recruiting tool, as well.
Then of course, there's the recruiting, starting with the Garland PeeWee coaches(funny how they all wear GHS gear all the time). Then, there are the two GHS coaches(dont know their names, but I wouldn't post it if I did) who do their recruiting at the middle schools. Have heard stories of showing up to schools with bags of McDonalds food, hanging out in the stands of games and track meets, talking to parents. Coach Wright at South got a crash course in that last year. A happy camper he wasn't, but that's the way it is.
Of course, I just assumed this was the way it's been forever so I didn't put any of it on HBJ. Hell, he's 200 years old, he's not gonna change anything. But then, at the end of last year, 3 way tie for 1st. Garland beat Rowlett by 7, Naaman beat GHS by 1, Rowlett beat Naaman by 14. That puts Rowlett as district champs and #1 seed, right? That gives Rowlett a bi-district game with Berkner and GHS a date with Skyline and their 12 D1 kids, right? In any other year, in any other district, yes. But, I watched as HBJ took the white out out of his desk and changed the rules as to how 10-5a seeded their teams, giving GHS a MUCH easier bi-district opponent.
Im sure you'll deny this, just as all GHS supporters do. Doesn't change anything. Everyone in the district knows how business is done, and Ive seen it first hand.
:notworthyAx to grind much BWAHAHA!:rolleyes: You WATCHED the rule change? and said nothing?:eek:Your team must be having real problems eh? Mc Donalds food and t shirts, and watching games. Yep I see what you mean:confused:
Oh and you forgot Lakeview has a great media production magnet program...?
Did you forget that 30+% of the students at GHS are in gifted and talented magnet programs? Are they all football players? With students leaving the GHS area did you know that GHS is still over 45% hispanic, A vast majority of Garland Owls athletes come from Austin, Lyles and Bussey. The closest middle schools to Old Garland. Why dont the kids or parents that CHOOSE to go to GHS, CHOOSE to go somewhere else.... duh??
One thing about the USA, and FREEDOM is that you have the CHOICE to LEAVE.

Otis Campbell
07-12-2009, 02:41 PM
:notworthyAx to grind much BWAHAHA!:rolleyes: You WATCHED the rule change? and said nothing?:eek:Your team must be having real problems eh? Mc Donalds food and t shirts, and watching games. Yep I see what you mean:confused:
Oh and you forgot Lakeview has a great media production magnet program...?
Did you forget that 30+% of the students at GHS are in gifted and talented magnet programs? Are they all football players? With students leaving the GHS area did you know that GHS is still over 45% hispanic, A vast majority of Garland Owls athletes come from Austin, Lyles and Bussey. The closest middle schools to Old Garland. Why dont the kids or parents that CHOOSE to go to GHS, CHOOSE to go somewhere else.... duh??

Of course I didnt say anything. He's the boss. What are you gonna say? He can do what he wants. With an all-GISD district, he calls all the shots and is the unquestioned authority. Im sure he was dancing a jig(or as close to dancing as he can get) Rockwall dropped.
Yes, I know GHS racial make up. It would be vastly different if it was only kids from GHS's attendance zone(more like 70% hispanic). And no, Bussey and Lyles send very few kids to GHS anymore. Austin and Sellers sends the vasy majority of the kids. They also get a ton of kids from Coyle(Rowlett) and are starting in on Shrade(Sachse). Kids from other middle schools don't choose to go elsewhere b/c they're RECRUITIED! Where did you miss that? That's where the McDonalds foods and "watching" games comes from. Are you really that stupid or are you playing dumb to serve your own interests? The GHS shirts are just indicitive as to where the PeeWee coaches' loyalty lies. They start recruiting kids to GHS when they're in the PeeWee leagues. And at the middle school games, they're not watching, there talking to parents to recruit their kids. You cant recruit 12 yr olds, they don't make the decisions. You recruit the parents. You recruit the parents, get the kids on board(ie McDonalds food), and boom! Always talented football program. And yes, there are many football players in the IB program. That's where they get their white kids from.
I know from reading your past posts that you're not that dumb. Hell, don't think I wouldn't be a part of it if I could. It's great deal the Owls have. But, it also brings alot of pressure, as Jordan felt after the 2007 season. He's the only HC in the district who could get fired for losing. HBJ couldnt careless about the others.

grayowl60
07-12-2009, 02:54 PM
Of course I didnt say anything. He's the boss. What are you gonna say? He can do what he wants. With an all-GISD district, he calls all the shots and is the unquestioned authority. Im sure he was dancing a jig(or as close to dancing as he can get) Rockwall dropped.
Yes, I know GHS racial make up. It would be vastly different if it was only kids from GHS's attendance zone(more like 70% hispanic). And no, Bussey and Lyles send very few kids to GHS anymore. Austin and Sellers sends the vasy majority of the kids. They also get a ton of kids from Coyle(Rowlett) and are starting in on Shrade(Sachse). Kids from other middle schools don't choose to go elsewhere b/c they're RECRUITIED! Where did you miss that? That's where the McDonalds foods and "watching" games comes from. Are you really that stupid or are you playing dumb to serve your own interests? The GHS shirts are just indicitive as to where the PeeWee coaches' loyalty lies. They start recruiting kids to GHS when they're in the PeeWee leagues. And at the middle school games, they're not watching, there talking to parents to recruit their kids. You cant recruit 12 yr olds, they don't make the decisions. You recruit the parents. You recruit the parents, get the kids on board(ie McDonalds food), and boom! Always talented football program. And yes, there are many football players in the IB program. That's where they get their white kids from.
I know from reading your past posts that you're not that dumb. Hell, don't think I wouldn't be a part of it if I could. It's great deal the Owls have. But, it also brings alot of pressure, as Jordan felt after the 2007 season. He's the only HC in the district who could get fired for losing. HBJ couldnt careless about the others.
Well now coach, you have spilled the beans. Jealousy, the green monster is eating you up. Seems you have a problem with administrtion. GHS is around one seventh of the high school enrollment district wide, so you need to take up your problem with the school board. Now if you tell me the board is fixed too, then I know you are full of :Censor: Vote em out if you dont like the way things are done (so you say). You should not have to put up with those t shirts, people watching games and talking to parents and such:D
Lets see now, you know first hand that the Carter coach had nothing to do with them going to 5A. You SAW coach Johnson CHANGE some rules. You are just a little bit of everywhere Otis.

Otis Campbell
07-12-2009, 03:13 PM
Hmmm, not sure jealousy is quite the word, but envy would fit the bill. Yes, it's a great deal they've got. The school board definately has bigger fish to fry than athletics, and HBJ has told me the story as to how he got complete carte blanche over the football programs. Evidently, there was a huge power struggle between him and the board when it came time to hire a GHS football coach(back when GHS was the only show in town). HBJ finally won out under the terms that if it didn't work out, he'd be fired. Well, he hired Chuck Curtis, so it obviouly worked out and he's had 100% control ever since. So, in a way, he has more power than the board. He definately has more power than Culwell.
As for me "putting up with it", I did the best I could, but these things were in place long before I showed up. My boss fought it tooth and nail, and won alot of battles(until Rockwall left the district). But, these things were happening long before any of us were there.
Either way, I followed your advice before I recieved it. If you dont like it, leave, which is what I did. Im no longer part of GISD, and wouldn't cross paths with them until the semis. Still doesn't change the fact that GHS enjoys many privledges that the rest of the district does not. However, if the rumors are true, and Elam is slated to take over as AD, that will change very soon.
That being said, Garland High could definately win the state championship this year. Good luck
Just saw the part you added. And yes, Ive been around a little. I get bored staying in one place too long, and when you've been doing this awhile and in the same general area, you get to know people. I know Alan Willson had nothing to do with the decision to stay 5a, I know he was happy when they finally dropped, and I know he cussed when Longview dropped last year.

grayowl60
07-12-2009, 03:38 PM
Hmmm, not sure jealousy is quite the word, but envy would fit the bill. Yes, it's a great deal they've got. The school board definately has bigger fish to fry than athletics, and HBJ has told me the story as to how he got complete carte blanche over the football programs. Evidently, there was a huge power struggle between him and the board when it came time to hire a GHS football coach(back when GHS was the only show in town). HBJ finally won out under the terms that if it didn't work out, he'd be fired. Well, he hired Chuck Curtis, so it obviouly worked out and he's had 100% control ever since. So, in a way, he has more power than the board. He definately has more power than Culwell.
As for me "putting up with it", I did the best I could, but these things were in place long before I showed up. My boss fought it tooth and nail, and won alot of battles(until Rockwall left the district). But, these things were happening long before any of us were there.
Either way, I followed your advice before I recieved it. If you dont like it, leave, which is what I did. Im no longer part of GISD, and wouldn't cross paths with them until the semis. Still doesn't change the fact that GHS enjoys many privledges that the rest of the district does not. However, if the rumors are true, and Elam is slated to take over as AD, that will change very soon.
That being said, Garland High could definately win the state championship this year. Good luck
Just saw the part you added. And yes, Ive been around a little. I get bored staying in one place too long, and when you've been doing this awhile and in the same general area, you get to know people. I know Alan Willson had nothing to do with the decision to stay 5a, I know he was happy when they finally dropped, and I know he cussed when Longview dropped last year.
Otis, now we been talking about being smart and all. Do you believe that promises made in the 60s are still valid? come now, most of that board is dead. and vast changes have happened,,, growth, economics, racial, social. And ALL bets were off when the Fed did thier deal. What makes Coach Johnson so great is he guided the athletics through all that.... seems to be in good shape even with the whines.... Oh do you think Garland recruited in softball too? How else could they have been that good, doncha know:rolleyes:
I think the next AD is already out on North Glenbrook

GoOwls
07-12-2009, 03:40 PM
Surpise with a good run? Who's suprised? Im shocked when it DOESNT happen.
Ive got facts, but you'll just say they're not true. How 'bout the way GHS is NEVER at capacity b/c of so many kids being bused out of GHS's attendence zone to other schools, to promite "diversity". Seems almost all of those kids are of hispanic decent, as well(historically, they dont make very good football players). IB program and all of the attractive magnet programs just happen to be at GHS as well( Rowlett has a choir program and North has the math and science magnet. That'll get more athletes than law, ag, and music production :rolleyes:). Austin Academy is little more than a GHS recruiting tool, as well.
Then of course, there's the recruiting, starting with the Garland PeeWee coaches(funny how they all wear GHS gear all the time). Then, there are the two GHS coaches(dont know their names, but I wouldn't post it if I did) who do their recruiting at the middle schools. Have heard stories of showing up to schools with bags of McDonalds food, hanging out in the stands of games and track meets, talking to parents. Coach Wright at South got a crash course in that last year. A happy camper he wasn't, but that's the way it is.
Of course, I just assumed this was the way it's been forever so I didn't put any of it on HBJ. Hell, he's 200 years old, he's not gonna change anything. But then, at the end of last year, 3 way tie for 1st. Garland beat Rowlett by 7, Naaman beat GHS by 1, Rowlett beat Naaman by 14. That puts Rowlett as district champs and #1 seed, right? That gives Rowlett a bi-district game with Berkner and GHS a date with Skyline and their 12 D1 kids, right? In any other year, in any other district, yes. But, I watched as HBJ took the white out out of his desk and changed the rules as to how 10-5a seeded their teams, giving GHS a MUCH easier bi-district opponent.
Im sure you'll deny this, just as all GHS supporters do. Doesn't change anything. Everyone in the district knows how business is done, and Ive seen it first hand.

Otis Campbell.....you sir....and I use that term loosely...are a jerk.

How dare you say what you said above.....they don't make good football players......Anthony Munoz....Tony Gonzalez....etc.....right....:rolleyes:

Yes, they tend to be shorter and lighter, but they play like hell and do what they can to make up for any competitve difference.

Also, as a mailman in Garland for over 25 years, I got a pretty good read on there the Hispanic population lives....I see them every day...they are all over the city....many near Sachse, Naaman, South, Rowlett.....:rolleyes:

Did you forget the Freedom of Choice program in Garland.....been there since the 60's.....it's a FEDERAL MANDATE...GISD has to spread out the races to avoid forced busing....get it....:eek:

I'm through talking...you are bitter and hold a grudge because you couldn't bring out in your players what Garland was able to do with theirs.

So I leave you with some facts and not some hateful mess inspired by envy.

Garland 17 of 74 players with Hispanic surnames 23%

South Garland 11 of 62 17.7%

Sachse 6 of 51 11.8%

Naaman Forest 4 of 63 6.3%

Rowlett 4 of 73 5.5%

Lakeview 2 of 50 4%

I could find no rosters from North Garland.

Looks like Garland is excelling as a football program in spite of their large percentage of "Historically not good football players". :mad:

Otis Campbell
07-12-2009, 03:44 PM
Otis, now we been talking about being smart and all. Do you believe that promises made in the 60s are still valid? come now, most of that board is dead. and vast changes have happened,,, growth, economics, racial, social. And ALL bets were off when the Fed did thier deal. What makes Coach Johnson so great is he guided the athletics through all that.... seems to be in good shape even with the whines.... Oh do you think Garland recruited in softball too? How else could they have been that good, doncha know:rolleyes:

Promises made? No. Precidents set? Yes. There's alot of power in being "the way we've always done it", especially for 50+ years. Had HBJ retired since then, then Im sure it would be different. But 50 years on the job carries alot of weight and alot of power. For the most part, no one checks on him.
As for softball, I dont know. I can't say anything about that. I never said that those things have to happen to be good, I just said they DO happen in football. Obviously, it doesn't always work(2007). But, in order to be successfull in GISD, you have to do a certain amount of recruiting, even if it's just recruiting your own kids. That being said, Im sure there were a few softball players in the IB program, but they at least have a strong district rival in Rowlett.

Otis Campbell
07-12-2009, 03:49 PM
I'm through talking...you are bitter and hold a grudge because you couldn't bring out in your players what Garland was able to do with theirs.



LMAO! I guess being a mailman, with your years of experience and and vast higher education, qualifies you in that area, right Cliff Clavin?. I guess those 23% are all starters, right? None of them are bench guys? I never said they dont play hard, but there aren't many playing in the NCAA or NFL, b/c they tend to be smaller and slower. Yes, they play hard, but that don't win many games at the 5a level.
Oh, and I went 2-0 against GHS the 2 years I was in the district(just sayin').

GoOwls
07-12-2009, 03:57 PM
LMAO! I guess being a mailman, with your years of experience and and vast higher education, qualifies you in that area, right Cliff Clavin?. I guess those 23% are all starters, right? None of them are bench guys? I never said they dont play hard, but there aren't many playing in the NCAA or NFL, b/c they tend to be smaller and slower. Yes, they play hard, but that don't win many games at the 5a level.
Oh, and I went 2-0 against GHS the 2 years I was in the district(just sayin').

How bush league of you to throw the education thing out there. I know plenty of educated idiots....and I may just add you to the ever growing list.

The numbers don't lie sir...it invalidates your point...completely.

Instead of attacking the ignorant mailman....why not try to attack the numbers the ignorant mailman just blew you up with.

BTW....all the schools in Garland recruit....you should have seen the times I've seen guys with hats from other Garland schools schmoozing parents at pee wee games, middle school games, and yes, McDonalds or Church's Chicken....

Maybe you just didn't recruit so well......I would bet it might be a personality thing.....:eek:

GoOwls
07-12-2009, 04:03 PM
LMAO! I guess being a mailman, with your years of experience and and vast higher education, qualifies you in that area, right Cliff Clavin?. I guess those 23% are all starters, right? None of them are bench guys? I never said they dont play hard, but there aren't many playing in the NCAA or NFL, b/c they tend to be smaller and slower. Yes, they play hard, but that don't win many games at the 5a level.Oh, and I went 2-0 against GHS the 2 years I was in the district(just sayin').

4 of our 5 OL starters were Hispanic last year....much of the time.....seemed to do pretty well into round 3 .......how did your superior kids do?

You are possibly the most overtly/covertly racial poster I've ever seen here, and that's saying something.

Otis Campbell
07-12-2009, 04:03 PM
Find me the numbers of those kids who actually start. I know Ive never seen many hispanic kids on the field at GHS. I know North has a ton, and Rowlett had one who was DL and was pretty good. But GHS fields black and white kids for the most part.
I started my career in the Rio Grande Valley. Yes, hispanic kids work their arses off and play extemely hard, but we always knew that our chances of getting farther than the 2nd round were slim to none b/c our hispanic kids just weren't as athletic as others.
Skyline has tons of Hispanic kids too. But guess what, only one of them started. One, out of 22(an OL). So no, your numbers invalidate nothing.

Otis Campbell
07-12-2009, 04:05 PM
4 of our 5 OL starters were Hispanic last year

LOL, that's crap and you know it! I remember 2, and only one of them played more than 50% of the time. It also helps when your OL gets to line up 4 yards in the backfield and it doesn't get called(it got called on us in the same game, though. :confused:

grayowl60
07-12-2009, 04:10 PM
LOL, that's crap and you know it! I remember 2, and only one of them played more than 50% of the time. It also helps when your OL gets to line up 4 yards in the backfield and it doesn't get called(it got called on us in the same game, though. :confused:
Otis you are showing your a++, VERY few players at Garland play much over 50% so do some research. Garland platoons a bunch, and many kids play

Otis Campbell
07-12-2009, 04:13 PM
Otis you are showing your a++, VERY few players at Garland play much over 50% so do some research. Garland platoons a bunch, and many kids play

Not the OL. GHS does that on defense and with the skill position players(other than QB).

grayowl60
07-12-2009, 04:20 PM
:D
LOL, that's crap and you know it! I remember 2, and only one of them played more than 50% of the time. It also helps when your OL gets to line up 4 yards in the backfield and it doesn't get called(it got called on us in the same game, though. :confused:
WOW even the refs lean toward GHS.... its tough out there:D....:Censor:
Ever thought about coaching at Highland Park or Plano

GoOwls
07-12-2009, 04:26 PM
LOL, that's crap and you know it! I remember 2, and only one of them played more than 50% of the time. It also helps when your OL gets to line up 4 yards in the backfield and it doesn't get called(it got called on us in the same game, though. :confused:

Otis....my best friend's kid was one of those Hispanic starters last year....I sent him a note and we'll just get some names for ya, old boy.

Don't be confused by the injuries last year...we had so many line injuries that at times we had only one kid who started the first game on the field for a game later in the year.

Hornets nest activated.

Otis Campbell
07-12-2009, 04:27 PM
Refs only lean at Williams. That's known throughout DFW. I knew that before I ever came to GISD. You're not gonna get the calls against GHS at Williams. Refs aren't stupid. Homer picks the refs for home games and playoff games, and refs know that GISD will send 4 teams to the playoffs every year, and most of the time at least 2 will go at least 2 rounds deep. Lots of money to be made if you're on Homer's good side.

Otis Campbell
07-12-2009, 04:29 PM
Otis....my best friend's kid was one of those Hispanic starters last year....I sent him a note and we'll just get some names for ya, old boy.

Don't be confused by the injuries last year...we had so many line injuries that at times we had only one kid who started the first game on the field for a game later in the year.

Hornets nest activated.


Either way, 4 out of 22 isn't much of a ratio. So, I guess the GHS supporters will all come out of the woodwork now. Whoa be unto he who questions the mighty Owls. Some would say you're acting like the HP folks who this thread was originally about.

grayowl60
07-12-2009, 04:32 PM
Mr. Go. give Otis some credit. He is standing up, even though he is not very smart. Not like some of those post and run cowards BWAHAHAH (Nod)

GoOwls
07-12-2009, 04:33 PM
Either way, 4 out of 22 isn't much of a ratio. So, I guess the GHS supporters will all come out of the woodwork now. Whoa be unto he who questions the mighty Owls. Some would say you're acting like the HP folks who this thread was originally about.

If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.

Either way, 4 out of 22 is way more than any other GISD school...and we went round 3......What's your ratio?

Otis Campbell
07-12-2009, 04:39 PM
If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.

Either way, 4 out of 22 is way more than any other GISD school...and we went round 3......What's your ratio?

More than any other GISD school? Are you kidding? North? Lakeview? South?
I know Rowlett had 2 OL, and 1 DL. Naaman had a OL and a DL who was an absolute beast.
Funny thing about that freedom of choice. The school has to be below capacity. GHS is NEVER at capacity, yet if they kept the kids they bus out, they'd always be there.

grayowl60
07-12-2009, 04:44 PM
Can you name players that were recruited?
Are you emplyng that no hispanic or black kids are in the gifted and talented classes (quote: "Thats how they get thier white players")?
Are you saying that no kids in the GHS are in the gited programs?
Are you emplying that ALL players come from other areas?
Are you aware of players leave the GHS area to play at other schools?

On Garlandowls.com you can look under "newsletters" and see middle school the varsity players are from. Might be an education for you Otis

Otis Campbell
07-12-2009, 04:55 PM
Can you name players that were recruited?
Are you emplyng that no hispanic or black kids are in the gifted and talented classes (quote: "Thats how they get thier white players")?
Are you saying that no kids in the GHS are in the gited programs?
Are you emplying that ALL players come from other areas?
Are you aware of players leave the GHS area to play at other schools?

On Garlandowls.com you can look under "newsletters" and see middle school the varsity players are from. Might be an education for you Otis

1. Just a few. Didnt get to know many middle school kids and didnt know the kids that were gone before I got there
2. Nope, but there aren't many that live in GHS's attendance zone. In fact, we lost a very talented black kid to the IB program
3. Uhmm....not sure I understand the question
4. Nope, but a good bit of them do. Lots of'em come from other areas and then dont play much for GHS, but would have started for someone else.
5. Just one who didn't make much noise at all.
Are you actually denying that any of this happens? Are you really saying that in no way is anything slanted to be pro-GHS?

GoOwls
07-12-2009, 05:00 PM
Of the 16 Garland graduates of the 2008 class that will be playing on Saturdays next year, 2 of them are Hispanic.

grayowl60
07-12-2009, 05:06 PM
1. Just a few. Didnt get to know many middle school kids and didnt know the kids that were gone before I got there
2. Nope, but there aren't many that live in GHS's attendance zone. In fact, we lost a very talented black kid to the IB program
3. Uhmm....not sure I understand the question
4. Nope, but a good bit of them do. Lots of'em come from other areas and then dont play much for GHS, but would have started for someone else.
5. Just one who didn't make much noise at all.
Are you actually denying that any of this happens? Are you really saying that in no way is anything slanted to be pro-GHS?
Sorry # 3 are you saying that no kids in the gifted and talented programs are from the GHS area?
What I am saying is that most students that choose to go to GHS from other areas are there for the magnet programs and not for football. I am saying that about 80% or more players are from the GHS area

Otis Campbell
07-12-2009, 05:15 PM
I'll repeat this question, for both of you. Are both of you actually denying that any of this happens? Are both of you really saying that in no way is anything slanted to be pro-GHS?

F18mustang
07-12-2009, 05:16 PM
Man, scottie sure hot a home run with this thread. :rolleyes:

GoOwls
07-12-2009, 05:17 PM
Sorry # 3 are you saying that no kids in the gifted and talented programs are from the GHS area?
What I am saying is that most students that choose to go to GHS from other areas are there for the magnet programs and not for football. I am saying that about 80% or more players are from the GHS area

Of course, Garland being the most centrally located school in the city has no effect on whether kids choose to go there.

Many people who live in other parts of town have to drive by or near it to go to work.....nah...it plays no part in it....:rolleyes:

GoOwls
07-12-2009, 05:18 PM
Man, scottie sure hot a home run with this thread. :rolleyes:

Scootie is long gone from this thread...don't give him too much credit for this thing.

Otis Campbell
07-12-2009, 05:19 PM
Many people who live in other parts of town have to drive by or near it to go to work.....nah...it plays no part in it....:rolleyes:

Seriously? Really? C'mon, you can do better than that. Read my last post.

GoOwls
07-12-2009, 05:33 PM
Seriously? Really? C'mon, you can do better than that. Read my last post.

So can you...talk the numbers....the lack of Hispanics at Garland was a central point of your argument...argue the numbers.

Otis Campbell
07-12-2009, 05:43 PM
I didnt say GHS didnt have'em, I said they bus a bunch out to make room for kids from other areas. You didnt answer my question.

grayowl60
07-12-2009, 05:56 PM
I didnt say GHS didnt have'em, I said they bus a bunch out to make room for kids from other areas. You didnt answer my question.
I have told this story before but its till true: A friend of mines daughter wanted to go to GHS because her parents went there. She was turned down because thier quota of white freshman girls was full. The only way she could go was to take ag. This was not a country girl, but she decided to go. Won some ribbons with her sheep, and says it was her favorite class. She listens to country music now;)

Otis Campbell
07-12-2009, 06:18 PM
So, honestly, you two deny that any of this takes place? You deny that there's any slant, favoritism, or bias? Im saying it and giving you specific examples, and you say people have been saying it for decades. Are we all making it up? I no longer have a dog in this fight and we went 2-0 against GHS during my time, so I have nothing to gain nor do I have anything to make excuses for.

GoOwls
07-13-2009, 03:00 AM
So, honestly, you two deny that any of this takes place? You deny that there's any slant, favoritism, or bias? Im saying it and giving you specific examples, and you say people have been saying it for decades. Are we all making it up? I no longer have a dog in this fight and we went 2-0 against GHS during my time, so I have nothing to gain nor do I have anything to make excuses for.



A slant......sure.....Homer, logically, wants Garland to win.....it's his baby....it's logical...it's where his heart is.

But he wants all Garland schools to be successful...he hired Moss for South, right.....he hired the state champ coach to take his place, right...he hired a bunch of state champ coaches from other smaller schools to take jobs not at Garland over the years, right....he hired a "successful" coach from Mabank who ended up being "really" successful in 1999 for us...he wasn't a title winner first though, was he......he hired Jordan only after his other choices turned him down and because of pressure from the Booster Club to take him....Jordan wasn't some big time coach he recruited....he was a fan favorite.

Please, the other schools have gotten the coaches with the better pedigrees because Homer felt the pressure to appear as if he wasn't a Garland homer.

If there is anything to blame for Garland's recruiting success, blame the Booster Club and Garland Alumni who are the only ones in town who are active in the community and try to work for the success of the program. The other schools just don't have the support of the BC and alumni to talk to kid's parents and try to convince them to attend Garland.

Garland put 16 kids on Saturday rosters for next year.....how many for the other schools....not many....is the talent that different or does the coaching staff work harder, year in and year out, to get kids to the next level with some kind of assistance....I think you know the answer to that....and so do the kids who are maybe fringe players who want the chance to go to college....they know Garland is the best chance for that.....and I'm quite sure that the BC and Alumni let their parents know that too...during conversations at football games.

Put blame where it is, if their is blame to put, but Homer is very aware of the microscope he is under.....why don't people like you see that....you don't want to, that's why.

Matthew 2000 Eagle
07-13-2009, 08:13 AM
From last two UIL enrollment numbers:

2008-10
Dallas Carter - 1451
Dallas Kimball - 1512

2006-08
Dallas Carter - 1873
Dallas Kimball - 1686.5

While Kimball is larger now, Carter's "official" enrollment numbers were actually larger than Kimball's during the Cowboy's final two seasons in 5A (I don't have the enrollment figures prior to 2006). If Carter drops another 400+ students for the upcoming realignment, they would be among the smallest 4A schools...

Thanks for clearing that up.

grayowl60
07-13-2009, 08:42 AM
From last two UIL enrollment numbers:

2008-10
Dallas Carter - 1451
Dallas Kimball - 1512

2006-08
Dallas Carter - 1873
Dallas Kimball - 1686.5

While Kimball is larger now, Carter's "official" enrollment numbers were actually larger than Kimball's during the Cowboy's final two seasons in 5A (I don't have the enrollment figures prior to 2006). If Carter drops another 400+ students for the upcoming realignment, they would be among the smallest 4A schools...
GONE! to DeSoto, Lancaster, and Cedar Hill

Maroondog
07-13-2009, 09:39 AM
A slant......sure.....Homer, logically, wants Garland to win.....it's his baby....it's logical...it's where his heart is.

But he wants all Garland schools to be successful...he hired Moss for South, right.....he hired the state champ coach to take his place, right...he hired a bunch of state champ coaches from other smaller schools to take jobs not at Garland over the years, right....he hired a "successful" coach from Mabank who ended up being "really" successful in 1999 for us...he wasn't a title winner first though, was he......he hired Jordan only after his other choices turned him down and because of pressure from the Booster Club to take him....Jordan wasn't some big time coach he recruited....he was a fan favorite.

Please, the other schools have gotten the coaches with the better pedigrees because Homer felt the pressure to appear as if he wasn't a Garland homer.

If there is anything to blame for Garland's recruiting success, blame the Booster Club and Garland Alumni who are the only ones in town who are active in the community and try to work for the success of the program. The other schools just don't have the support of the BC and alumni to talk to kid's parents and try to convince them to attend Garland.

Garland put 16 kids on Saturday rosters for next year.....how many for the other schools....not many....is the talent that different or does the coaching staff work harder, year in and year out, to get kids to the next level with some kind of assistance....I think you know the answer to that....and so do the kids who are maybe fringe players who want the chance to go to college....they know Garland is the best chance for that.....and I'm quite sure that the BC and Alumni let their parents know that too...during conversations at football games.

Put blame where it is, if their is blame to put, but Homer is very aware of the microscope he is under.....why don't people like you see that....you don't want to, that's why.

Garland's recruiting success...? :eek::rolleyes::ninja:

Maroondog
07-13-2009, 09:40 AM
A slant......sure.....Homer, logically, wants Garland to win.....it's his baby....it's logical...it's where his heart is.

But he wants all Garland schools to be successful...he hired Moss for South, right.....he hired the state champ coach to take his place, right...he hired a bunch of state champ coaches from other smaller schools to take jobs not at Garland over the years, right....he hired a "successful" coach from Mabank who ended up being "really" successful in 1999 for us...he wasn't a title winner first though, was he......he hired Jordan only after his other choices turned him down and because of pressure from the Booster Club to take him....Jordan wasn't some big time coach he recruited....he was a fan favorite.

Please, the other schools have gotten the coaches with the better pedigrees because Homer felt the pressure to appear as if he wasn't a Garland homer.

If there is anything to blame for Garland's recruiting success, blame the Booster Club and Garland Alumni who are the only ones in town who are active in the community and try to work for the success of the program. The other schools just don't have the support of the BC and alumni to talk to kid's parents and try to convince them to attend Garland.

Garland put 16 kids on Saturday rosters for next year.....how many for the other schools....not many....is the talent that different or does the coaching staff work harder, year in and year out, to get kids to the next level with some kind of assistance....I think you know the answer to that....and so do the kids who are maybe fringe players who want the chance to go to college....they know Garland is the best chance for that.....and I'm quite sure that the BC and Alumni let their parents know that too...during conversations at football games.

Put blame where it is, if their is blame to put, but Homer is very aware of the microscope he is under.....why don't people like you see that....you don't want to, that's why.

Garland's recruiting success...? :eek::rolleyes::ninja:

yallerjacket2
07-13-2009, 10:26 AM
A slant......sure.....Homer, logically, wants Garland to win.....it's his baby....it's logical...it's where his heart is.

But he wants all Garland schools to be successful...he hired Moss for South, right.....he hired the state champ coach to take his place, right...he hired a bunch of state champ coaches from other smaller schools to take jobs not at Garland over the years, right....he hired a "successful" coach from Mabank who ended up being "really" successful in 1999 for us...he wasn't a title winner first though, was he......he hired Jordan only after his other choices turned him down and because of pressure from the Booster Club to take him....Jordan wasn't some big time coach he recruited....he was a fan favorite.

Please, the other schools have gotten the coaches with the better pedigrees because Homer felt the pressure to appear as if he wasn't a Garland homer.

If there is anything to blame for Garland's recruiting success, blame the Booster Club and Garland Alumni who are the only ones in town who are active in the community and try to work for the success of the program. The other schools just don't have the support of the BC and alumni to talk to kid's parents and try to convince them to attend Garland.

Garland put 16 kids on Saturday rosters for next year.....how many for the other schools....not many....is the talent that different or does the coaching staff work harder, year in and year out, to get kids to the next level with some kind of assistance....I think you know the answer to that....and so do the kids who are maybe fringe players who want the chance to go to college....they know Garland is the best chance for that.....and I'm quite sure that the BC and Alumni let their parents know that too...during conversations at football games.

Put blame where it is, if their is blame to put, but Homer is very aware of the microscope he is under.....why don't people like you see that....you don't want to, that's why.

Garland's recruiting success...?:eek::rolleyes::ninja:

Matthew 2000 Eagle
07-13-2009, 10:38 AM
GONE! to DeSoto, Lancaster, and Cedar Hill

Yep! And, you could include Red Oak in that also.

Otis Campbell
07-13-2009, 11:21 AM
Jordan only after his other choices turned him down and because of pressure from the Booster Club to take him....Jordan wasn't some big time coach he recruited....he was a fan favorite.

Please, the other schools have gotten the coaches with the better pedigrees because Homer felt the pressure to appear as if he wasn't a Garland homer.


Garland put 16 kids on Saturday rosters for next year.....how many for the other schools....not many....is the talent that different or does the coaching staff work harder, year in and year out, to get kids to the next level with some kind of assistance....I think you know the answer to that....and so do the kids who are maybe fringe players who want the chance to go to .

GISD is handcuffed as to who they hire b/c they refuse to pay what other DFW districts pay. Jordan was hired b/c he was already on staff and had been there many years. GHS is the ONLY school that HBJ will hire from within. Everybody in the district knows HBJ's MO is when it comes to hiring new HC's: a 2a or 3a HC who just won a state championship. Why? B/c he can pay a 2a or 3a HC table scraps. He tried to hire Scott at Prosper this year, and Scott turned him down quickly. So, he had to wave the carrot of being AD infront of Elam. But I promise you this; Jordan is the only HC in GISD who could lose his job for losing.

Now that last part....you gotta be freakin' kidding me! No one, and I mean NO ONE in the state of Texas works harder to get kids into college programs than Mickey Moss or Kiff Hardin. Those two guys work their tails off to get kids into college. The difference is Garland GETS the kids and colleges know it.

And you're right about the booster club; that extends into the PeeWee leagues and the middle schools. Sure's hell doesn't make it right. But, Id be willing to bet if another district school got those kinda resources, you'd see some changes made.

beaye1
07-13-2009, 01:55 PM
Refs only lean at Williams. That's known throughout DFW. I knew that before I ever came to GISD. You're not gonna get the calls against GHS at Williams. Refs aren't stupid. Homer picks the refs for home games and playoff games, and refs know that GISD will send 4 teams to the playoffs every year, and most of the time at least 2 will go at least 2 rounds deep. Lots of money to be made if you're on Homer's good side.

I have never known Homer picking refs for any games. Please let's not open that can of worms.

wolfpack4life
07-13-2009, 02:03 PM
GONE! to DeSoto, Lancaster, and Cedar Hill

Dont forget Duncanville lol

Otis Campbell
07-13-2009, 02:19 PM
I have never known Homer picking refs for any games. Please let's not open that can of worms.

Of course he does. The AD always picks the refs.

beaye1
07-13-2009, 02:28 PM
The coaches have to mutually agree on who officiates their game before a decision is made so to say one man make that choice is not correct. Was an official in Dallas, so I know this could not possibly happen.:D

Otis Campbell
07-13-2009, 02:46 PM
The coaches have to mutually agree on who officiates their game before a decision is made so to say one man make that choice is not correct. Was an official in Dallas, so I know this could not possibly happen.:D

He picks the officials for all intra-GISD games. Sure, both coaches are asked, but it doesn't matter if they agree or not.

Ennis HS 76
07-13-2009, 02:49 PM
Dont forget Duncanville lol
That's right!!! But we are in a land-lock in Duncanville - surrounded by DeSoto to the east, Cedar Hill to the south, and Dallas to the north and west. Population has been pretty stable here for the last decade or so.

But then again, what do I know. I've lived here for only 8 years and haven't seen the Panthers play since they were in a district with Ennis way back in the late 60's!!!! I'm sure the their demographics may be somewhat different now!!! :D

dragonsdaddy
07-13-2009, 02:52 PM
Man, scottie sure hot a home run with this thread. :rolleyes:

hp still sux.

dragonsdaddy
07-13-2009, 02:53 PM
That's right!!! But we are in a land-lock in Duncanville - surrounded by DeSoto to the east, Cedar Hill to the south, and Dallas to the north and west. Population has been pretty stable here for the last decade or so.

But then again, what do I know. I've lived here for only 8 years and haven't seen the Panthers play since they were in a district with Ennis way back in the late 60's!!!! I'm sure the their demographics may be somewhat different now!!! :D
ya think?

grayowl60
07-13-2009, 04:55 PM
He picks the officials for all intra-GISD games. Sure, both coaches are asked, but it doesn't matter if they agree or not.
Otis KNOWs doncha see, Says he left Garland isd, but SAW coach Johnson change the rules in 08..... fly on the wall, invited guest or just visiting?:rolleyes:

wolfpack4life
07-13-2009, 05:02 PM
That's right!!! But we are in a land-lock in Duncanville - surrounded by DeSoto to the east, Cedar Hill to the south, and Dallas to the north and west. Population has been pretty stable here for the last decade or so.

But then again, what do I know. I've lived here for only 8 years and haven't seen the Panthers play since they were in a district with Ennis way back in the late 60's!!!! I'm sure the their demographics may be somewhat different now!!! :D

Dallas to your west?? I thought grand prarie was to your west

grayowl60
07-13-2009, 05:05 PM
Dallas to your west?? I thought grand prarie was to your west
:D.....:eek:.....;)......:Censor:

C-DUB
07-13-2009, 05:41 PM
I have told this story before but its till true: A friend of mines daughter wanted to go to GHS because her parents went there. She was turned down because thier quota of white freshman girls was full. The only way she could go was to take ag. This was not a country girl, but she decided to go. Won some ribbons with her sheep, and says it was her favorite class. She listens to country music now;)

No quota on Sheep.:Music

grayowl60
07-13-2009, 05:47 PM
No quota on Sheep.:Music
No, you may be thinking about A&M Cons.

Otis Campbell
07-13-2009, 05:51 PM
Otis KNOWs doncha see, Says he left Garland isd, but SAW coach Johnson change the rules in 08..... fly on the wall, invited guest or just visiting?:rolleyes:

Did I say I left prior to 08?;)

grayowl60
07-14-2009, 08:07 AM
Garland's recruiting success...? :eek::rolleyes::ninja:
Hell, I recruited last weekend! Family moving into the area and I talked about helping them find a house, GHSs IP and AP programs, Many class options, AND the number of kids getting a chance to play on Saturday. Loaned them some game DVDs.
You mean you are a fan of a program and DONT recruite?
Its always funny to me that fans and staff of a school that gets 500 to 600 boys out for football, whines about others recruiting ( whines about Jesuite and others):D

RedRage00
07-14-2009, 11:47 AM
Wow, Otis really quieted the Owl fans...I didn't think that was possible LOL

Otis Campbell
07-14-2009, 12:04 PM
Wow, Otis really quieted the Owl fans...I didn't think that was possible LOL

:cool:

F18mustang
07-14-2009, 12:08 PM
http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/7/7e/Seriousgore.jpg

Maroondog
07-14-2009, 02:03 PM
Garland's recruiting success?.......................

Otis Campbell
07-14-2009, 02:08 PM
http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/7/7e/Seriousgore.jpg

Nice! :notworthy

GoOwls
07-14-2009, 02:18 PM
Wow, Otis really quieted the Owl fans...I didn't think that was possible LOL

Shut up you HP wannabe...:D....he didn't shut us up.....we got jobs, he's off for the summer.

GoOwls
07-14-2009, 02:25 PM
Garland's recruiting success?.......................

Yeah.....recruiting success....so what....every school does it in Garland with the "freedom of choice" program from the 60's to please the federal judges.

Don't tell me that you don't recruit in Plain-O......geeze.....don't be a hypocrite...like HP and all the others.

And according to Otis, who labels the hispanic players as inferior, we do the best job of recruiting them......(see my numbers in earlier posts).....:(

RedRage00
07-14-2009, 02:26 PM
Shut up you HP wannabe...:D....he didn't shut us up.....we got jobs, he's off for the summer.

Since when does that stop you and old grayowl? :D

GoOwls
07-14-2009, 02:31 PM
Otis....we Garland folk bow to your infinite knowledge of the GISD picked up in two years of relative obscurity coaching for a team that, though they beat the Owls, still apparently stings from the lack of respect and success that comes from late playoff run history.

I hope that you can take your infinite knowledge to wherever you are now and learn to teach those kids whatever they lacked when you coached them here.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

All we heard while Moss was at South was how much talent he had there....and how much he was getting because he was there.....but he didn't do any better than Jordan at getting them to the next level...look at the numbers....something you don't do very well.

Otis Campbell
07-14-2009, 02:32 PM
We just got bored with it LOL

grayowl60
07-14-2009, 02:37 PM
Garland's recruiting success?.......................
"Its always funney to me that aschool with 500-600 boys out for football whine about recruiting" Whine on:Censor:

grayowl60
07-14-2009, 02:41 PM
Since when does that stop you and old grayowl? :D
Now Go, thats some more powerful stuff right there.... he sure got some good things to say.... just never over one line. He KNOWS him some football:notworthy....:confused:

Maroondog
07-14-2009, 02:42 PM
"Its always funney to me that aschool with 500-600 boys out for football whine about recruiting" Whine on:Censor:

No whine. Just used to hear a different song from the Garland camp, that's all.

grayowl60
07-14-2009, 02:52 PM
No whine. Just used to hear a different song from the Garland camp, that's all.
No... I and many others have been trying to get kids to move into the area and go to school there for years. See, funny thing about doors; you can go in or you can go out:rolleyes:

Maroondog
07-14-2009, 02:56 PM
No... I and many others have been trying to get kids to move into the area and go to school there for years. See, funny thing about doors; you can go in or you can go out:rolleyes:

The hell, you say! :D

grayowl60
07-14-2009, 03:03 PM
The hell, you say! :D
You got it... students can go OUT of the Garland HS area too. More do than come IN:eek:

Ennis HS 76
07-14-2009, 03:44 PM
Dallas to your west?? I thought grand prarie was to your west
Nope...Dallas borders us to the west. Clark Rd, which is the continuation of Spur-408 south of I-20, separates Duncanville (east) and Dallas (west). When south of I-20, Grand Prairie borders Dallas (not Duncanville) - the border appears to run through Joe Pool Lake (according to my GPS mapping program).

RedRage00
07-16-2009, 07:53 AM
Now Go, thats some more powerful stuff right there.... he sure got some good things to say.... just never over one line. He KNOWS him some football:notworthy....:confused:

I've only been in the metroplex for 2 seasons. I don't claim to know a lot on DFW teams, and their history. But I sure have learned a lot in this thread about GHS and GISD. :eek: :D

grayowl60
07-16-2009, 08:09 AM
I've only been in the metroplex for 2 seasons. I don't claim to know a lot on DFW teams, and their history. But I sure have learned a lot in this thread about GHS and GISD. :eek: :D
You sure dont want to learn anything do you? If it offends you sensitivities you can always do what they did in old days: Get on down the road!

RedRage00
07-16-2009, 08:11 AM
You sure dont want to learn anything do you? If it offends you sensitivities you can always do what they did in old days: Get on down the road!

Nothing offends me ;) :cool:

E-Vol-ution
07-16-2009, 08:42 AM
Nope....south of I-20 Grand Prairie is bordered by Arlington on the west , Duncanville to the imediate east and Cedar Hill on the Southeast so that Arlington borders Cedar Hill at Lake Ridge and Joe Pool. Duncanville is north of Cedar Hill with the dividing line a little north of Beltline or 1382. Cedar Hill also borders Duncanville at Lake and Clark (that was weird because neighbors across the street were Duncanville zoned).
Nope...Dallas borders us to the west. Clark Rd, which is the continuation of Spur-408 south of I-20, separates Duncanville (east) and Dallas (west). When south of I-20, Grand Prairie borders Dallas (not Duncanville) - the border appears to run through Joe Pool Lake (according to my GPS mapping program).

Ennis HS 76
07-16-2009, 09:29 AM
Nope....south of I-20 Grand Prairie is bordered by Arlington on the west , Duncanville to the imediate east and Cedar Hill on the Southeast so that Arlington borders Cedar Hill at Lake Ridge and Joe Pool. Duncanville is north of Cedar Hill with the dividing line a little north of Beltline or 1382. Cedar Hill also borders Duncanville at Lake and Clark (that was weird because neighbors across the street were Duncanville zoned).

Nope (LOL)

Please review the maps:

Duncanville does NOT extend west of Clark Road. Just south of I-20, Dallas is immediately west of Clark. The 2nd and 3rd maps show that the west side of Clark has a Dallas address and the east side a Duncanville address. Further south on Clark, as you approach 1382, Cedar Hill is west of Clark. We do not share a border with Grand Prairie.

http://images50.fotki.com/v1528/photos/2/260850/935798/Duncanville-vi.jpg

http://images50.fotki.com/v1529/photos/2/260850/935798/DuncanvilleClarkRd-vi.jpg

http://images51.fotki.com/v1547/photos/2/260850/935798/DallasClarkRd-vi.jpg

http://images51.fotki.com/v1543/photos/2/260850/935798/Duncanville002-vi.jpg

E-Vol-ution
07-16-2009, 09:46 AM
Duncanville High School is just south of I-20 and Cedar Ridge. That is Dallas County but still Duncanville. Going south of I-20 @ Wheatland is Dallas but north and south of I-20 at Main is Duncanville.
Nope (LOL)

Please review the maps:

Duncanville does NOT extend west of Clark Road. Just south of I-20, Dallas is immediately west of Clark. The 2nd and 3rd maps show that the west side of Clark has a Dallas address and the east side a Duncanville address. Further south on Clark, as you approach 1382, Cedar Hill is west of Clark. We do not share a border with Grand Prairie.

http://images50.fotki.com/v1528/photos/2/260850/935798/Duncanville-vi.jpg

http://images50.fotki.com/v1529/photos/2/260850/935798/DuncanvilleClarkRd-vi.jpg

http://images51.fotki.com/v1547/photos/2/260850/935798/DallasClarkRd-vi.jpg

http://images51.fotki.com/v1543/photos/2/260850/935798/Duncanville002-vi.jpg

wolfpack4life
07-16-2009, 09:49 AM
Nope....south of I-20 Grand Prairie is bordered by Arlington on the west , Duncanville to the imediate east and Cedar Hill on the Southeast so that Arlington borders Cedar Hill at Lake Ridge and Joe Pool. Duncanville is north of Cedar Hill with the dividing line a little north of Beltline or 1382. Cedar Hill also borders Duncanville at Lake and Clark (that was weird because neighbors across the street were Duncanville zoned).
Actually...thats mansfield that borders cedar hill...not arlington

E-Vol-ution
07-16-2009, 09:55 AM
Part of Mansfield does border Cedar Hill also.......but it is south of Arlington where it does. "The Oasis" is on Lake Ridge in Arlington just before the bridge crossing Joe Pool Lake into Cedar Hill. That is also Cedar Hill running all the way up to I-20 where the Satellite towers are on the bend.
http://maps.yahoo.com/index.php#mvt=m&lat=32.58866&lon=-96.955964&zoom=12&q1=Cedar%2520Hill%252C%2520TX%252075104
Actually...thats mansfield that borders cedar hill...not arlington

wolfpack4life
07-16-2009, 10:04 AM
Part of Mansfield does border Cedar Hill also.......but it is south of Arlington where it does. "The Oasis" is on Lake Ridge in Arlington just before the bridge crossing Joe Pool Lake into Cedar Hill. That is also Cedar Hill running all the way up to I-20 where the Satellite towers are on the bend.
http://maps.yahoo.com/index.php#mvt=m&lat=32.58866&lon=-96.955964&zoom=12&q1=Cedar%2520Hill%252C%2520TX%252075104
lol...i just cant see how arlington borders cedar hill...its just to much in the wayy..including the city of grand prarie

E-Vol-ution
07-16-2009, 10:11 AM
If you look at the attached map you will see the name "Joe Pool Lake" listed twice over the body of water. You'll see a bridge under "Joe Pool" on the left. That is where the two border. That entire eastern part of the lake is actually Cedar Hill and part of a state park. Cedar Hill State Park to be exact........lol

lol...i just cant see how arlington borders cedar hill...its just to much in the wayy..including the city of grand prarie

Ennis HS 76
07-16-2009, 10:49 AM
Duncanville High School is just south of I-20 and Cedar Ridge. That is Dallas County but still Duncanville. Going south of I-20 @ Wheatland is Dallas but north and south of I-20 at Main is Duncanville.

I'm not disputing that Duncanville city limits includes Duncanville High School. It is located off of Cedar Ridge Rd, which runs parallel to but about a mile or so east of Clark Rd. What I'm saying is that anything immediate west of Clark Rd (as it runs from I-20 to FM-1382) is either Dallas (city of) or Cedar Hill. Anything immediate east of Clark is either Duncanville or Cedar Hill.
From what I can tell from maps, the city of Duncanville does not extend west of Clark Rd., which it would have to do to if it was to border Grand Prairie.

E-Vol-ution
07-16-2009, 11:17 AM
It's weird but you are correct. That patch between Clark Rd and 1382 is Dallas, yet 1382 and I-20 where the Racetrac gas station is Grand Prairie.
I'm not disputing that Duncanville city limits includes Duncanville High School. It is located off of Cedar Ridge Rd, which runs parallel to but about a mile or so east of Clark Rd. What I'm saying is that anything immediate west of Clark Rd (as it runs from I-20 to FM-1382) is either Dallas (city of) or Cedar Hill. Anything immediate east of Clark is either Duncanville or Cedar Hill.
From what I can tell from maps, the city of Duncanville does not extend west of Clark Rd., which it would have to do to if it was to border Grand Prairie.

Ennis HS 76
07-16-2009, 11:33 AM
It's weird but you are correct. That patch between Clark Rd and 1382 is Dallas, yet 1382 and I-20 where the Racetrac gas station is Grand Prairie.

Before I moved here in '01, I thought as you did - that Duncanville shared a border with Grand Prairie (I even thought the Racetrac was part of Duncanville then). After living here for a couple of years, I learned that part of the city of Dallas extended south of I-20, between Clark Rd and 1382, thus separating Duncanville from Grand Prairie.

E-Vol-ution
07-16-2009, 11:39 AM
I lived in Cedar Hill off of Clark Road south of Duncanville Road and it was partially zoned to D-Ville schools.

Before I moved here in '01, I thought as you did - that Duncanville shared a border with Grand Prairie (I even thought the Racetrac was part of Duncanville then). After living here for a couple of years, I learned that part of the city of Dallas extended south of I-20, between Clark Rd and 1382, thus separating Duncanville from Grand Prairie.

Ennis HS 76
07-16-2009, 12:00 PM
I lived in Cedar Hill off of Clark Road south of Duncanville Road and it was partially zoned to D-Ville schools.
I never could understand school zoning. I live catacorner to Alexander Elementary school in Duncanville, which sits on the Duncanville-Cedar Hill line. It receives students from both cities...

E-Vol-ution
07-16-2009, 12:13 PM
Similar to how it is here in Arlington. My son went to Ferguson Jr. High here in Arlington, yet his friends were split between Bowie, Sequin and Mansfield Timberview.
I never could understand school zoning. I live catacorner to Alexander Elementary school in Duncanville, which sits on the Duncanville-Cedar Hill line. It receives students from both cities...

wolfpack4life
07-16-2009, 12:31 PM
Similar to how it is here in Arlington. My son went to Ferguson Jr. High here in Arlington, yet his friends were split between Bowie, Sequin and Mansfield Timberview.

Do people that leave in southern arlington below I-20 go to mansfield schools or arlington schools?

Matthew 2000 Eagle
07-16-2009, 12:36 PM
Do people that leave in southern arlington below I-20 go to mansfield schools or arlington schools?

It's a little bit of both. You also have some in Arlington that go to Kennedale.

wolfpack4life
07-16-2009, 01:01 PM
It's a little bit of both. You also have some in Arlington that go to Kennedale.

Im just suprised that arlington doesnt have more 5a schools then what it already does..its bigger than people think

Matthew 2000 Eagle
07-16-2009, 01:13 PM
Im just suprised that arlington doesnt have more 5a schools then what it already does..its bigger than people think

Yep! They have almost 400,000 people! But, the thing about it is that Arlington is basically maxed out. That's one of the reasons why we see the growth in Mansfield.

Ennis HS 76
07-16-2009, 01:15 PM
Yep! They have almost 400,000 people! But, the thing about it is that Arlington is basically maxed out. That's one of the reasons why we see the growth in Mansfield.
And pretty soon Midlothian...

Matthew 2000 Eagle
07-16-2009, 01:18 PM
And pretty soon Midlothian...

Mansfield and Midlothian will be RIGHT next door to each in the next 5 to 10 years, if the growth doesn't slow up. Red Oak is growing also, as well as the Venus and Alvarado area.

E-Vol-ution
07-16-2009, 01:19 PM
Southeast Arlington below I-20 gets Sequin, Bowie and Mansfield Timberview. ISD's serving Arlington are Mansfield, Kennedale, Grand Prairie and Arlington. Some will eventually be attending Hurst/Euless/Bedford ISD due to construction in that area.

Do people that leave in southern arlington below I-20 go to mansfield schools or arlington schools?

SWMHebron
07-16-2009, 05:57 PM
I just adore the fact that the "Fascination with Highland Park" discussion is now focused on school boundaries for just about anywhere but Highland Park.

Ennis HS 76
07-16-2009, 06:22 PM
Mansfield and Midlothian will be RIGHT next door to each in the next 5 to 10 years, if the growth doesn't slow up. Red Oak is growing also, as well as the Venus and Alvarado area.
I'll be very happy when they complete SH-161 (Bush Turnpike) from US-183 to I-20. SH-360 is becoming more and more of a pain during the work day as this area grows...

Ennis HS 76
07-16-2009, 06:27 PM
I just adore the fact that the "Fascination with Highland Park" discussion is now focused on school boundaries for just about anywhere but Highland Park.
Speaking of school boundaries - why is Hebron High School (located in Carrollton) part of the Lewisville school district? I've always been curious about that...

E-Vol-ution
07-16-2009, 06:29 PM
Then again...nobody was ever fascinated with HP in the first place........:)

I just adore the fact that the "Fascination with Highland Park" discussion is now focused on school boundaries for just about anywhere but Highland Park.

grayowl60
07-16-2009, 06:30 PM
Then again...nobody was ever fascinated with HP in the first place........:)
Be careful

E-Vol-ution
07-16-2009, 06:41 PM
I apologize.....Scottie is.:notworthy
Be careful

wolfpack4life
07-16-2009, 09:12 PM
I just adore the fact that the "Fascination with Highland Park" discussion is now focused on school boundaries for just about anywhere but Highland Park.
I honestly could care less about highland park

wolfpack4life
07-16-2009, 09:15 PM
Speaking of school boundaries - why is Hebron High School (located in Carrollton) part of the Lewisville school district? I've always been curious about that...
Also...why is lake highlands located in dallas when its a richardson school?

grayowl60
07-16-2009, 10:00 PM
Also...why is lake highlands located in dallas when its a richardson school?
Why not?:rolleyes:

bowiedawgs01
07-16-2009, 10:14 PM
Woodley commits to Louisville.

SWMHebron
07-16-2009, 10:22 PM
Speaking of school boundaries - why is Hebron High School (located in Carrollton) part of the Lewisville school district? I've always been curious about that...

Lewisville ISD is huge from a geographical standpoint. I guess the ISD gobbled up all the farmland long ago and left the cities to follow.

Hebron pulls kids from Carrollton, The Colony, Plano, Frisco and Lewisville. Unlike what FarmerFan postulates we do not pull from 32,333 communities. An HHS teacher recently told me it is the most ethnically diverse high school in the district. I have not independently verified that but find it believable.

We moved into our current home in 1991 with the goal of getting out of Plano ISD. My girls were 1 & 3. My husband worked in the ER at Plano Medical Center and decided his kids were not going to school with those kids. We didn't care if it was LISD or CFBISD, but all in all have been really happy with LISD and Hebron.

And just to stay on topic, Highland Park didn't make the cut.

33Blood
07-16-2009, 11:41 PM
[quote=Silver Wings Mom;1238450]Lewisville ISD is huge from a geographical standpoint. I guess the ISD gobbled up all the farmland long ago and left the cities to follow./quote]

Hebron would have been in the middle of a pasture not many years ago. Growth is the answer to many school boundaries.

grayowl60
07-17-2009, 08:03 AM
Lewisville ISD is huge from a geographical standpoint. I guess the ISD gobbled up all the farmland long ago and left the cities to follow.

Hebron pulls kids from Carrollton, The Colony, Plano, Frisco and Lewisville. Unlike what FarmerFan postulates we do not pull from 32,333 communities. An HHS teacher recently told me it is the most ethnically diverse high school in the district. I have not independently verified that but find it believable.

We moved into our current home in 1991 with the goal of getting out of Plano ISD. My girls were 1 & 3. My husband worked in the ER at Plano Medical Center and decided his kids were not going to school with those kids. We didn't care if it was LISD or CFBISD, but all in all have been really happy with LISD and Hebron.

And just to stay on topic, Highland Park didn't make the cut.
Same with many urban ISDs. Garlands population is about 216,000, but has around 250.000 in the ISD. That includes about 90% of Rowlett, all of Sachse and some in Mesquite. A part of NW Garland is in The Richardson ISD and attend Berkner

Ennis HS 76
07-17-2009, 08:46 AM
Lewisville ISD is huge from a geographical standpoint. I guess the ISD gobbled up all the farmland long ago and left the cities to follow.

Hebron pulls kids from Carrollton, The Colony, Plano, Frisco and Lewisville. Unlike what FarmerFan postulates we do not pull from 32,333 communities. An HHS teacher recently told me it is the most ethnically diverse high school in the district. I have not independently verified that but find it believable.

We moved into our current home in 1991 with the goal of getting out of Plano ISD. My girls were 1 & 3. My husband worked in the ER at Plano Medical Center and decided his kids were not going to school with those kids. We didn't care if it was LISD or CFBISD, but all in all have been really happy with LISD and Hebron.

And just to stay on topic, Highland Park didn't make the cut.

Interesting!!!

I lived in a few urban / suburban areas accross the country. But since I don't have kids, I never had to consider school zones when deciding where to live. It's probably a straightforward process if one does the research; however, on the surface, at least in some places, consdering school zones when shopping for a place to live appears to be a real headache!!! I just remember how pissed I was when I found out after we bought this house that our neighborhood at that time didn't have high speed internet!!! I was thinking surely this area had it, so I didn't check (not that it would have made a differnce in my decision, but still...). :D

wolfpack4life
07-17-2009, 08:51 AM
Why not?:rolleyes:

Because the school is in a whole nother city:D

Maroondog
07-17-2009, 09:48 AM
I just adore the fact that the "Fascination with Highland Park" discussion is now focused on school boundaries for just about anywhere but Highland Park.

I'm more fascinated by "Garland's recruiting success." :eek::D;)

SWMHebron
07-17-2009, 09:51 AM
[quote=Silver Wings Mom;1238450]Lewisville ISD is huge from a geographical standpoint. I guess the ISD gobbled up all the farmland long ago and left the cities to follow./quote]

Hebron would have been in the middle of a pasture not many years ago. Growth is the answer to many school boundaries.

When we moved into our house in 1991, the only LISD school in Carrollton was Indian Creek Elementary. Middle and high school went to The Colony. As best I can count off the top of my head there are now 6 elementaries, 3 middle schools and Hebron, which is getting a 9th grade campus (as are all LISD high schools).

Matthew 2000 Eagle
07-17-2009, 09:58 AM
Also...why is lake highlands located in dallas when its a richardson school?

Summit and Timberview is in Arlington. And, Kennedale is in Arlington as well.

Matthew 2000 Eagle
07-17-2009, 10:00 AM
Southeast Arlington below I-20 gets Sequin, Bowie and Mansfield Timberview. ISD's serving Arlington are Mansfield, Kennedale, Grand Prairie and Arlington. Some will eventually be attending Hurst/Euless/Bedford ISD due to construction in that area.

And, you have some that live in Grand Prairie, that go to school at Bowie and Sam Houston. I know quite a few that went to both of these schools while they lived in GP.

Matthew 2000 Eagle
07-17-2009, 10:02 AM
I'll be very happy when they complete SH-161 (Bush Turnpike) from US-183 to I-20. SH-360 is becoming more and more of a pain during the work day as this area grows...

Yeah, 360 is a headache and, it really doesn't matter what time of the day it is.

wolfpack4life
07-17-2009, 12:10 PM
also..why does south grand parie high have so much more kids than grand prarie high?

E-Vol-ution
07-17-2009, 12:18 PM
SGP had a lot of previously undeveloped land that sprouted up the population....and student enrollment.
also..why does south grand parie high have so much more kids than grand prarie high?

33Blood
07-17-2009, 12:46 PM
The only thing that fascinates me is that Bush chose to move there when he already had a better spot in Crawford.

GoOwls
07-18-2009, 09:08 PM
I'm more fascinated by "Garland's recruiting success." )

We are having a symposium on the subject this Tuesday night at the Garland Field House at Williams Stadium, 7:00 PM.

It's really designed to just screw over the other Garland schools, but I'm sure that it will work in Plano, with all that readily available cash and brilliant people and all.

Cost is normally free, but in your case, it's be $17.50 at the door or $20.00 a car load.

There is a designated place to park mobile homes and trailers, so be careful, Garland's Finest will be on the scene.

BYOB.....

:rolleyes: ;) :D :laugh

GoOwls
07-18-2009, 09:28 PM
The only thing that fascinates me is that Bush chose to move there when he already had a better spot in Crawford.

His library is being built almost in his back yard. I guess it will be easier to supervise and to take care of his commitments from that location...just guessing.

I bet he moves back, eventually.

SLC
07-18-2009, 09:31 PM
The only thing that fascinates me is that Bush chose to move there when he already had a better spot in Crawford.


He wants to watch all the SMU girls walk the neighborhood drunk on Friday and Saturday nights, from his front porch.

Matthew 2000 Eagle
07-18-2009, 10:40 PM
He wants to watch all the SMU girls walk the neighborhood drunk on Friday and Saturday nights, from his front porch.

I can see George right now, inviting the girls in for some, "hands on" activities! Hell, I'd watch!:D

SLC
07-18-2009, 10:42 PM
I can see George right now, inviting the girls in for some, "hands on" activities! Hell, I'd watch!:D



I would as well, my friend.:D

E-Vol-ution
07-18-2009, 11:14 PM
lol...talking about come see his secret weapon:eek:
He wants to watch all the SMU girls walk the neighborhood drunk on Friday and Saturday nights, from his front porch.

Matthew 2000 Eagle
07-18-2009, 11:18 PM
lol...talking about come see his secret weapon:eek:

You think they'd hang the dresses up on hangers after George skeeted on them for evidence? Or, will they throw them in the dirty clothes hampers so they can be washed?

grayowl60
07-18-2009, 11:20 PM
We are having a symposium on the subject this Tuesday night at the Garland Field House at Williams Stadium, 7:00 PM.

It's really designed to just screw over the other Garland schools, but I'm sure that it will work in Plano, with all that readily available cash and brilliant people and all.

Cost is normally free, but in your case, it's be $17.50 at the door or $20.00 a car load.

There is a designated place to park mobile homes and trailers, so be careful, Garland's Finest will be on the scene.

BYOB.....

:rolleyes: ;) :D :laugh
BYOB? Oh hell now there will be more "od" scootsie types driving around looking for liquor stores. Around and around and around;)

SLC
07-19-2009, 12:37 AM
You think they'd hang the dresses up on hangers after George skeeted on them for evidence? Or, will they throw them in the dirty clothes hampers so they can be washed?


I doubt those girls will be wearing dresses...for that matter, much of anything.:)

Matthew 2000 Eagle
07-20-2009, 11:24 AM
i doubt those girls will be wearing dresses...for that matter, much of anything.:)

:d

SLC
07-20-2009, 04:55 PM
:d



I'm telling ya man...I've been down there to some of those parties on the weekend and those Pony girls definately know how to get down and dirty.:D

Matthew 2000 Eagle
07-20-2009, 10:27 PM
I'm telling ya man...I've been down there to some of those parties on the weekend and those Pony girls definately know how to get down and dirty.:D

Someone knows from experience!:notworthy

SLC
07-20-2009, 11:47 PM
Someone knows from experience!:notworthy


Hell, we left the Landry Classic last season after the Red Oak-HP game and there were several chicks stoping us in the street, trying to get us to come party with them.:Music

Matthew 2000 Eagle
07-21-2009, 12:14 AM
Hell, we left the Landry Classic last season after the Red Oak-HP game and there were several chicks stoping us in the street, trying to get us to come party with them.:Music

Did y'all go?

SLC
07-21-2009, 01:03 AM
Did y'all go?


Hell no!...Momma would have gotten my as$ if I did.:D



I sure wanted to though.

Matthew 2000 Eagle
07-21-2009, 11:37 AM
Hell no!...Momma would have gotten my as$ if I did.:D



I sure wanted to though.

Hey, I just thought I'd ask!:D

SLC
07-21-2009, 12:28 PM
Hey, I just thought I'd ask!:D


She does too, all the time.:D

Matthew 2000 Eagle
07-21-2009, 02:15 PM
She does too, all the time.:D

Not too surprised by that at all.:D

bob1122
07-24-2009, 02:52 PM
As I've always said..when HP is ready to play with the big boys, report your attendance accurately and join us! Until then, you'll be second rate.
You say that, but I don't see SLC going out and scheduling to play HP.

grayowl60
07-25-2009, 12:13 PM
You say that, but I don't see SLC going out and scheduling to play HP.
"pot meet kettle" loa, SLC would schedule stronger 4As if thats the route they took. Like Longview, Lake Travis. Ennis etc.

SLC
07-25-2009, 06:23 PM
You say that, but I don't see SLC going out and scheduling to play HP.

North Shore or Highland Park?....You tell me.....

Bill4par
07-25-2009, 08:17 PM
.......that's the facination with Hp, it ain't the football.

grayowl60
07-25-2009, 08:39 PM
North Shore or Highland Park?....You tell me.....
:eek:...:D....:notworthy

Wypirates03
07-25-2009, 11:45 PM
You say that, but I don't see SLC going out and scheduling to play HP.

That's because HP refuses to schedule anyone who they think might beat them. True fact.

Matthew 2000 Eagle
07-26-2009, 12:56 AM
North Shore or Highland Park?....You tell me.....

Ouch!:eek:

grayowl60
07-26-2009, 08:05 AM
That's because HP refuses to schedule anyone who they think might beat them. True fact.
Be carefull!!!!;)

E-Vol-ution
07-26-2009, 08:10 AM
but, but, but, that would undermine their dominance..........;)
That's because HP refuses to schedule anyone who they think might beat them. True fact.

grayowl60
07-26-2009, 08:34 AM
but, but, but, that would undermine their dominence..........;)
Might hurt there status as a "storied" program. But I guess nothng can do that.... according to them:notworthy

LoboBooster73
07-28-2009, 03:50 PM
http://image2.onlineauction.com/auctions//2308/vgjm-927270-1.jpg

I think this thread got high-jacked a long time go.