Which 4A programs could step up to 5A and compete?

[KT2000]

Which 4A programs do you think could make the jump to 5A and follow the Southlake Carroll-Smithson Valley blueprint for success. I'm not necessarily saying be as successful as those two, but that could make an immediate impact.

And we should probably exclude current 4A programs who have been 5A recently to avoid the obvious (like Longview).

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

I think that Aledo, Stephenville, and La Marque could do well.

[KT2000]

I think that Aledo, Stephenville, and La Marque could do well.

Lake Travis is another based on what I've seen. Very impressed with their teams.

[E-Vol-ution]

Denton Guyer, Waco Midway, HP, quite a few would be respectable to say the least.Which 4A programs do you think could make the jump to 5A and follow the Southlake Carroll-Smithson Valley blueprint for success. I'm not necessarily saying be as successful as those two, but that could make an immediate impact.

And we should probably exclude current 4A programs who have been 5A recently to avoid the obvious (like Longview).

[LPack007]

Which 4A programs do you think could make the jump to 5A and follow the Southlake Carroll-Smithson Valley blueprint for success. I'm not necessarily saying be as successful as those two, but that could make an immediate impact.

And we should probably exclude current 4A programs who have been 5A recently to avoid the obvious (like Longview).

IMO Lake Travis, La Marque and maybe Texas High.

[33Blood]

A great many could compete but there are only a select few that could make an immediate run at state.

[LoboFan07]

Denton Guyer

As much as I like the program and think they're going to have a great year, I think it's hard not to tap the breaks on them for a second.

Let us not forget that before last season, they were a combined 1-19 as a program.

On topic, Lake Travis could definitely step up and make a run at a State Title.

Texas High might not make a run like SV or SLC did, but I could definitely see them going on a playoff run in D2.

La Marque usually has a great team.

[E-Vol-ution]

So what's brought about the dramatic change? Is it just this group of guys or has there been a big program change?As much as I like the program and think they're going to have a great year, I think it's hard not to tap the breaks on them for a second.

Let us not forget that before last season, they were a combined 1-19 as a program.

On topic, Lake Travis could definitely step up and make a run at a State Title.

Texas High might not make a run like SV or SLC did, but I could definitely see them going on a playoff run in D2.

La Marque usually has a great team.

[grayowl60]

I think Midway could compete. Seems like they are tough in every sport.
Same with Everman

[supercentex]

I think Midway could compete. Seems like they are tough in every sport.
Same with Everman

Midway was a one year wonder in football with a 'recruited' star Waco High running back at tailback.

They have done nothing before..and will do nothing after.

Midway will move up to 5-A the next re-alignment. So, we will find out soon enough what they can do.

Every other sport they could do pretty well in though.

[Ennis HS 76]

A great many could compete but there are only a select few that could make an immediate run at state.

I agree many could compete. And a solid 4A program in whose enrollment is rapidly approaching 5A numbers (as SLC was in 2001) could do even better.
SLC fielded a team in '02 that was just simply much, much better than their 4A semifinalist of '01. While it's certainly possible that another solid 4A program moving to 5A could make a similar run in their 1st year, I would expect that it would take 2-3 years (as it did with Wylie) before that program could make a serious run for a title.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

Lake Travis is another based on what I've seen. Very impressed with their teams.

I don't know why, and how, I left off Lake Travis! Highland Park would well, as far as I'm concerned also.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

Denton Guyer, Waco Midway, HP, quite a few would be respectable to say the least.

Guyer is still a little young so, I'd wait little bit longer before I mention them. Midway has had a few good years in football but, they've been kinda spread out. But, Midway has been pretty strong in every other sport, especially girls basketball. HP, without a doubt, would do fine at the 5A level.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

I think Midway could compete. Seems like they are tough in every sport.
Same with Everman

Everman! 2 championships down in the 3A ranks, and another semifinal appearance! They move up, and has been atleast to the 3rd round every year that they've moved BACK UP to the 4A ranks, including semifinal berths the last 2 years.

For those that don't remember, Everman was a longtime 4A team before dropping down to 3A before the 2000 season. They were in a murderers row district with Stephenville, Brownwood, Alvarado a couple of seasons, Waxahachie, Midlothian, and Cleburne, back when Cleburne had some good teams. There was a year when Everman went 8-2 in this district, and they did NOT make the playoffs.

The '99 Everman team finished 2nd in district, losing 2 district games to Stephenville and Cleburne. They pulled off a major upset against Deacon Burns and Brownwood the 2nd week of district play. The Bulldogs went on to advance to the 2nd round of the playoffs, where they ran into Greg Henderson and the might "Old" High Coyotes.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

I agree many could compete. And a solid 4A program in whose enrollment is rapidly approaching 5A numbers (as SLC was in 2001) could do even better.
SLC fielded a team in '02 that was just simply much, much better than their 4A semifinalist of '01. While it's certainly possible that another solid 4A program moving to 5A could make a similar run in their 1st year, I would expect that it would take 2-3 years (as it did with Wylie) before that program could make a serious run for a title.

Ennis and Waxahachie are both growing cities, as well as Midlothian. How long do you think it'll be before they hit the 5A ranks?

[Ennis HS 76]

Ennis and Waxahachie are both growing cities, as well as Midlothian. How long do you think it'll be before they hit the 5A ranks?

Most of the growth into Ellis Co. from Dallas Co. have been along the US-67 (Midlothian) and I-35 (Red Oak & Waxahachie) corridors, basically a continuation of the growth patterns that made Cedar Hill, DeSoto, and Duncanville 5A communities. There's little, if any, growth along I-45 out of Dallas that Ennis would benefit from. Thus Ennis High, which was the second largest school in Ellis Co. when I graduated in '76, is the fourth largest now. I doubt Ennis will ever be 5A.

I was a little surprise Midlothian didn't go 5A the last go-round. I'm expecting them to be the first 5A school from Ellis Co., maybe as soon as next season, followed by Red Oak and Waxahachie within 3-5 years.

[grayowl60]

Most of the growth into Ellis Co. from Dallas Co. have been along the US-67 (Midlothian) and I-35 (Red Oak & Waxahachie) corridors, basically a continuation of the growth patterns that made Cedar Hill, DeSoto, and Duncanville 5A communities. There's little, if any, growth along I-45 out of Dallas that Ennis would benefit from. Thus Ennis High, which was the second largest school in Ellis Co. when I graduated in '76, is the fourth largest now. I doubt Ennis will ever be 5A.

I was a little surprise Midlothian didn't go 5A the last go-round. I'm expecting them to be the first 5A school from Ellis Co., maybe as soon as next season, followed by Red Oak and Waxahachie within 3-5 years.
Whats the word on coach Harrel, Time frame? expectations?

[mcneilmav]

Calallen, Alice, Edcouch-Elsa most years could hold their own against tough 5A schools.

[mcneilmav]

I know you Calallen posters won't like it much but G-P is probably another 4A school that could compete at the 5A level.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

Most of the growth into Ellis Co. from Dallas Co. have been along the US-67 (Midlothian) and I-35 (Red Oak & Waxahachie) corridors, basically a continuation of the growth patterns that made Cedar Hill, DeSoto, and Duncanville 5A communities. There's little, if any, growth along I-45 out of Dallas that Ennis would benefit from. Thus Ennis High, which was the second largest school in Ellis Co. when I graduated in '76, is the fourth largest now. I doubt Ennis will ever be 5A.

I was a little surprise Midlothian didn't go 5A the last go-round. I'm expecting them to be the first 5A school from Ellis Co., maybe as soon as next season, followed by Red Oak and Waxahachie within 3-5 years.

Okay! For some reason, it seemed to me that Ennis was getting some of that growth. I stand corrected!

Mansfield, Midlothian, Venus and Alvarado have gotten REALLY close, due to the growth. Mansfield and Midlothian weren't very far from each other anyway. But, the way it's growing out there, eventually, they'll be next door.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

Calallen, Alice, Edcouch-Elsa most years could hold their own against tough 5A schools.

I forgot all about Calallen and EE!

For some reason, I thought Alice was already 5A or, atleast they used to be.

[Ennis HS 76]

Whats the word on coach Harrel, Time frame? expectations?

The following article about Coach Harrell appeared a couple weeks ago in the Dallas Morning News:

By BRANDON GEORGE / The Dallas Morning News
bgeorge@dallasnews.com

Longtime Ennis football coach Sam Harrell said Wednesday that he was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis four years ago but is just now telling anyone of his condition.

Harrell said he felt like he needed to address his health with his family, coaches and players because it has progressively worsened.

Harrell, 53, has led the Lions to 13 consecutive playoff appearances, three state championships (2000, 2001 and 2004) and is 148-46 in 15 seasons at Ennis.

"I have MS. It's true. But I'm not quitting or retiring or anything else," Harrell said. "I just have to be flexible with what I do, but nothing is going to change."

Harrell said he was diagnosed with MS in 2005 and only his wife, Kathy, and their parents knew about his condition until April.

In April, Harrell told his three sons, Zac, an assistant football coach at Prosper; Graham, a record-setting quarterback who led Texas Tech to an 11-2 record last season; and Clark, an Abilene Christian quarterback.

Around May 1, as Ennis was going through spring drills, Harrell brought his team together and told his coaches and players.

"I told them tomorrow is not going to be any different than today," Harrell said.

MS is a condition in which the immune system attacks the central nervous system. MS affects the ability of nerve cells in the brain and spinal cord to communicate with each other. Life expectancy of MS patients is nearly the same as those unaffected.

Harrell said MS affects everyone differently, and he is taking medication for it. He said his balance, coordination and mobility have been affected.

"Heat is really a big factor in it. When you get hot, your mobility and coordination decreases, and most days I'm going to get up and get hot," Harrell said. "It has continued to get worse, and I thought it was time to disclose it and make sure people understood why I couldn't do some things that you should be able to do, like get outside and show them how to run routes. But coaching isn't about demonstrating, it's about teaching, so I just don't worry about demonstrating."

Harrell said that on hot days at practice the last few years, he's coached from a golf cart.

"When it was really hot, I just couldn't do some things," Harrell said. "Now, I'll be in a golf cart every day and not just on the really hot days. You just have to adapt."

Harrell said he didn't tell anyone about his condition for four years because "at first, it was something that would kind of come and go. I thought maybe it'd keep going instead of coming. You look fine and do fine, so I thought it was something I could handle on my own and not make a big deal out of it."

Since telling his sons, coaches and players, Harrell said it's been a big relief.

"It's also been very encouraging with the number of people I've come in contact with since then who have it or know someone in their family who has it," Harrell said. "It's something that we'll have to go year by year with. I'm hopeful for a cure. They've really made some great advances in the last 10 years. In the meantime, you keep adapting and take medication that seems to slow it down. You don't make big, long-term plans any more."

[LoboFan07]

So what's brought about the dramatic change? Is it just this group of guys or has there been a big program change?

The coach's son was the quarterback this past season as a sophomore.

That definitely had something to do with the turn around. I don't know how it changed so fast, but the coach has done an outstanding job at it.

I remember just looking down during warm ups at their O Line...it was at least twice the size of our D Line.

[yallerjacket2]

The coach's son was the quarterback this past season as a sophomore.

That definitely had something to do with the turn around. I don't know how it changed so fast, but the coach has done an outstanding job at it.

I remember just looking down during warm ups at their O Line...it was at least twice the size of our D Line.

They were in our district their first year. I remember being amazed at the size and talent level they had. They weren't very good, but the talent level was there to be good.

[E-Vol-ution]

I used to work down there (Ennis) when the only food place was Dairy Queen. That strip was built up in one year and a half's time and what was cotton fields started turning to subdivisions........I expected it to continue.
Most of the growth into Ellis Co. from Dallas Co. have been along the US-67 (Midlothian) and I-35 (Red Oak & Waxahachie) corridors, basically a continuation of the growth patterns that made Cedar Hill, DeSoto, and Duncanville 5A communities. There's little, if any, growth along I-45 out of Dallas that Ennis would benefit from. Thus Ennis High, which was the second largest school in Ellis Co. when I graduated in '76, is the fourth largest now. I doubt Ennis will ever be 5A.

I was a little surprise Midlothian didn't go 5A the last go-round. I'm expecting them to be the first 5A school from Ellis Co., maybe as soon as next season, followed by Red Oak and Waxahachie within 3-5 years.

[RedRage00]

I forgot all about Calallen and EE!

For some reason, I thought Alice was already 5A or, atleast they used to be.

Alice hasn't been 5A in over 10 years.

[RedRage00]

SA Alamo Heights

[Ennis HS 76]

Okay! For some reason, it seemed to me that Ennis was getting some of that growth. I stand corrected!


No, you are correct in that Ennis is a growing community - still the second largest (after Waxahachie) in Ellis Co. And the school is growing, but only at a rate that keeps it around the middle of class 4A as the upper limit of 4A numbers increase every two years. Ennis is just not getting the same influx of young new families that the areas around Midlothian, Red Oak, and Waxahachie are seeing.

[Ennis HS 76]

I used to work down there (Ennis) when the only food place was Dairy Queen. That strip was built up in one year and a half's time and what was cotton fields started turning to subdivisions........I expected it to continue.

LOL...I was still in school when that Dairy Queen opened (lost count of the number of Beltbusters I consumed there). At the time I never heard of Red Oak. And Midlothian was barely a town. But during the past 10 years both schools shot past us in enrollment. We are just not growing at the same rate as the rest of the county.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

Alice hasn't been 5A in over 10 years.

Maybe I'm thinking about Eagle Pass.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

No, you are correct in that Ennis is a growing community - still the second largest (after Waxahachie) in Ellis Co. And the school is growing, but only at a rate that keeps it around the middle of class 4A as the upper limit of 4A numbers increase every two years. Ennis is just not getting the same influx of young new families that the areas around Midlothian, Red Oak, and Waxahachie are seeing.

I see! Red Oak is basically next door to Cedar Hill now. Ennis, and probably Palmer and Ferris, will start to get some when those towns start to max out to the east. It's amazing how, not only the cities in Ellis County, but the Metroplex as a whole has grown. It won't be too long before Aledo and Forney wind up in 5A. Decatur and, probably Bridgeport, will be 4A real quick in the next 5 to 6 years, maybe sooner. Kennedale almost went 4A the last realignment! Then, you have the McKinney and Frisco schools, that would be 5A if they wouldn't have built other schools. There's also quite a bit of growth in Van Alstyne, Celina, Prosper and the rest of that area up there. Crazy!

[clemensbuff]

Region 4 teams:

Lake Travis - I believe would give most 5a teams all they can handle and more.......just ask West Lake

Steele - Very talented team with extreme growth....will probably get their chance at 5a in the very near future. They haven't had trouble with the 5a teams on their non-district schedule so far, including a spanking they handed SA Stevens last year

Alamo Heights - Year end and year out very tough. They played SA Clark a tough game last year in non-district and actually had them down by 17 early in the game until Clark came back and won it.

Kerrville Tivy - They did well against Roosevelt and Wagner last year and lost a shootout to SA Madison. They will have the same three opponents for non-district this year.....It could be UGLY though.

Callalen - One of the most dominant 4a programs in the state. They have slipped a little as of late but would still compete well in 5a. They used to put some spankings on some pretty good 5a teams in non-district games.

Gregory Portland - They would certainly have been able to compete a few years ago and now appear to be on the right track to do so again. Time will tell if the GP of old will return.

Beeville - Very scrappy team. Depth would certainly be an issue when playing up in 5a but they would compete IMO.

Port Lavaca Calhoun - Maybe, we'll see if their program continues to improve.

Samuel Clemens - The numbers game with younger brother Steele have not been kind to the Buffaloes but they are still well coached, hard nosed, and have enough athletes to hang tough.

Boerne Champion - This team is strong year in and out and probably would compete with most 5a schools.

[bowiedawgs01]

How about Lamar Consolidated?

[scottie2]

Of course Highland Park has already proven that it compete at the 5A level. Please someone tell me how long it has been since HP lost to a 5A school?

[Firebird]

Calallen, Alice, Edcouch-Elsa most years could hold their own against tough 5A schools.

All of those would jump right in and compete for supremacy against the 5A teams in the valley and the coastal bend, but I don't see them making waves outside of region IV. They'd be good valley/CC Bend teams. But against their local 5A compatriots, they would be just fine or even better. Add Gregory Portland to that list, maybe CC Flour Bluff and Port Lavaca Calhoun.

Statwide, the ones that could have been mentioned. Lake Travis, HP, La Marque are the top contenders. Wofforth Frenship would do well in the Panhandle/West Texas but I don't think they'd have a prayer against top D/FW 5A schools. Some years Brenham would do OK against CenTex 5A, but not likely Houston/DFW.

Both La Marque and LT have had teams in recent memory that I think would have won state had they played 5A.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

Of course Highland Park has already proven that it compete at the 5A level. Please someone tell me how long it has been since HP lost to a 5A school?

This is about to get good! LOL!

Sam Houston gave the Scots a run for their money in '04.

[LoboBooster73]

Of course Highland Park has already proven that it compete at the 5A level.

Don't schedule enough 5A schools since Randy Allen arrived to make this claim and even though HP is Texas's winningest program, it's as much about non-district competition as it is about talent. If it wasn't, then HP would have been to finals more than 2 times in last 20 years. I'm not saying HP doesn't have talent or hasn't excelled at their level. They just haven't pushed the envelope enough during non-district or in post season for this assumption on your part.

[KT2000]

Of course Highland Park has already proven that it compete at the 5A level. Please someone tell me how long it has been since HP lost to a 5A school?

This has got to be farmer's alter-ego.

[bowiedawgs01]

It very well could be someone's alter ego. I've tried PMing him before about his background with HP and gotten no response. He did PM me once before, but I can't remember what it was about.

[RedRage00]

I'm sure KT has the power to find out who this person is, if its really someones alter ego.

It's probably grayowl LMAO

[E-Vol-ution]

okay........got some decent 5A competition coming up anytime soon?:rolleyes:Of course Highland Park has already proven that it compete at the 5A level. Please someone tell me how long it has been since HP lost to a 5A school?

[Aggies2009]

Don't schedule enough 5A schools since Randy Allen arrived to make this claim and even though HP is Texas's winningest program, it's as much about non-district competition as it is about talent. If it wasn't, then HP would have been to finals more than 2 times in last 20 years. I'm not saying HP doesn't have talent or hasn't excelled at their level. They just haven't pushed the envelope enough during non-district or in post season for this assumption on your part.

Burn. :notworthy

[grayowl60]

Burn. :notworthy
Be careful.... be very sceered:rolleyes:...:D

[bob1122]

It won't be too long before Aledo and Forney wind up in 5A.
Aledo, yes. Forney, no. New HS in Forney opening this year.

[DragonFan0316]

Of course Highland Park has already proven that it compete at the 5A level. Please someone tell me how long it has been since HP lost to a 5A school?

No doubt they could give anyone in the state a game and perhaps win. Could they stand up to a full schedule against 5a? Do they have the depth. This is a genuine question not attemptimg to be critical.

[b756561]

Guyer is still a little young so, I'd wait little bit longer before I mention them. Midway has had a few good years in football but, they've been kinda spread out. But, Midway has been pretty strong in every other sport, especially girls basketball. HP, without a doubt, would do fine at the 5A level.

I'm not sure I agree with that statement. They looked awfully good and awfully well coached this year. When they beat Ryan and Lk. Dallas, that told me they were for real and then look at how well they did in the playoffs.


By the way, that Lk. Dallas program is looking like they are ready to make some major waves in 4A.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

Aledo, yes. Forney, no. New HS in Forney opening this year.

I forgot all about Forney North opening. So, will this opening of North drop Forney High back down to 3A?

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

I'm not sure I agree with that statement. They looked awfully good and awfully well coached this year. When they beat Ryan and Lk. Dallas, that told me they were for real and then look at how well they did in the playoffs.


By the way, that Lk. Dallas program is looking like they are ready to make some major waves in 4A.

Well, I know that Guyer will be strong this year but, I was speaking on if they'd be good in the 5A ranks this coming season. I spoke on their youth because, just say that the realignment was THIS year, and they did move up, how WOULD they respond? Now, at the same time, they could very well move up and knock heads with the best of them (see Hebron, Smithson Valley and Carroll). But, I do have them as one of the top teams in the state this coming year.

And, yes, Lake Dallas is REALLY coming around. I remember playing against them my senior year, when they had Dusty Dvoracek! They weren't that strong of a team but, Dusty was one of those guys that could absolutely disrupt everything an offense tried to do by HIMSELF! Beast!

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

No doubt they could give anyone in the state a game and perhaps win. Could they stand up to a full schedule against 5a? Do they have the depth. This is a genuine question not attemptimg to be critical.

Well, IMO, I don't think depth would be a problem for the Scots. They usually carry around 100 players on the regular season roster. One year, they had guys wearing duplicate numbers, and it wasn't even the playoffs.

[bob1122]

I forgot all about Forney North opening. So, will this opening of North drop Forney High back down to 3A?
NFHS is playing a non varsity football schedule in 3A this year, and varsity in everything else in 3A this year.

No one really knows what the attendance numbers are going to be until the first day of school really. FHS was floating around 1800, but the only classes being split right now are the soph and frsh. It's a full JR and SR class so I doubt it. NFHS could SQUEAK into 3A for 2 more years, but will be 4A eventually.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

NFHS is playing a non varsity football schedule in 3A this year, and varsity in everything else in 3A this year.

No one really knows what the attendance numbers are going to be until the first day of school really. FHS was floating around 1800, but the only classes being split right now are the soph and frsh. It's a full JR and SR class so I doubt it. NFHS could SQUEAK into 3A for 2 more years, but will be 4A eventually.
Good GOD! Forney just moved up to 4A not even 6 years ago and, they are already at 1,800 students? Even with North opening, the way it's growing out there, they still might end up in 5A really soon.

What will North's colors, and mascot be?

[bob1122]

What will North's colors, and mascot be?
http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/6933/nfhslogosmall.gif


If it wasn't, then HP would have been to finals more than 2 times in last 20 years. I'm not saying HP doesn't have talent or hasn't excelled at their level. They just haven't pushed the envelope enough during non-district or in post season for this assumption on your part.
It also took one of the best QBs in the history of TX HS Football to put them over the top too

[Wypirates03]

Denton Guyer, Waco Midway, HP, quite a few would be respectable to say the least.

I'm not sure about Guyer.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/6933/nfhslogosmall.gif


Thanks!

[grayowl60]

http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/6933/nfhslogosmall.gif



It also took one of the best QBs in the history of TX HS Football to put them over the top too
Rockwall Heath---- North Forney= Instant rivals!!!!

[SLC]

Rockwall Heath---- North Forney= Instant rivals!!!!


Hawks - Falcons....Hmmm. I'm taking the Hawk.

[bob1122]

Rockwall Heath---- North Forney= Instant rivals!!!!
NFHS is playing as 3A varsity for every sport except football which is playing a mix of random JVs and small varsitys. Next year it will be super close on going 4A.

You can continue making HP your b#tch, same district and the money matches up better too.

[LoboBooster73]

LONGVIEW?

Prep Nation Preseason Poll
Southwest Region
1. Katy, Texas (13-3) 5A
2. Cedar Hill, Texas (12-2) 5A
3. Jenks, Okla. (12-2)
4. Allen, Texas (15-1) 5A
5. Peoria, Ariz., Centennial (14-0)
6. Dallas, Texas, Skyline (12-2) 5A
7. Tulsa, Okla., Union (13-1)
8. Round Rock, Texas, Stony Point (13-2) 5A
9. Garland, Texas (11-2) 5A
10. Longview, Texas (13-3) 4A

[SLC]

NFHS is playing as 3A varsity for every sport except football which is playing a mix of random JVs and small varsitys. Next year it will be super close on going 4A.

You can continue making HP your b#tch, same district and the money matches up better too.



I lol'd.:D

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

You can continue making HP your b#tch, same district and the money matches up better too.

LMAO! I'm just now seeing this! Where's Scottie at?

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

LONGVIEW?

Prep Nation Preseason Poll
Southwest Region
1. Katy, Texas (13-3) 5A
2. Cedar Hill, Texas (12-2) 5A
3. Jenks, Okla. (12-2)
4. Allen, Texas (15-1) 5A
5. Peoria, Ariz., Centennial (14-0)
6. Dallas, Texas, Skyline (12-2) 5A
7. Tulsa, Okla., Union (13-1)
8. Round Rock, Texas, Stony Point (13-2) 5A
9. Garland, Texas (11-2) 5A
10. Longview, Texas (13-3) 4A

No doubt! Your Lobos are tough year in and year out.

[RedRage00]

El Campo could compete in 5A! Those Ricebirds are always tough!

[SLC]

El Campo could compete in 5A! Those Ricebirds are always tough!



I love Coach Gillis as much as the next person, but him aside...NO.:D

[RedRage00]

I love Coach Gillis as much as the next person, but him aside...NO.:D

I think the Victoria-El Campo game is going to be the only home game I get to see this season.

I think they are pretty decent and could hold their own in a 5A Houston area district....not in a DFW district though ;)

[SLC]

I think the Victoria-El Campo game is going to be the only home game I get to see this season.

I think they are pretty decent and could hold their own in a 5A Houston area district....not in a DFW district though ;)



I think our local girls club could hold their own in a Houston district.

[mojotrain]

Maybe dozens could make a impact on several districts, but less than a handfull could make a impact on the state run. Of all these mentioned, match them up with the 5-A teams in the district they would play in if they were moved up.

[SLC]

Maybe dozens could make a impact on several districts, but less than a handfull could make a impact on the state run. Of all these mentioned, match them up with the 5-A teams in the district they would play in if they were moved up.


I agree with the bolded, but its already the same with over half of the 265 5A schools...These 6 would do very well though.



HP- The 95, 105 or 115.

Longview- The 115, 125, 135 or 145.

Stephenville- The 35 or 45.

Lake Travis- The 255.

Everman- The 35 or 45.

La Marque- The 245.

[Firebird]

I agree with the bolded, but its already the same with over half of the 265 5A schools...These 6 would do very well though.



HP- The 95, 105 or 115.

Longview- The 115, 125, 135 or 145.

Stephenville- The 35 or 45.

Lake Travis- The 255.

Everman- The 35 or 45.

La Marque- The 245.

Last year Sulphur Springs could have made a deep playoff run coming out of 115, 125, 145. Not a "program", maybe, but last year's team was amazingly talented.

[SLC]

Last year Sulphur Springs could have made a deep playoff run coming out of 115, 125, 145. Not a "program", maybe, but last year's team was amazingly talented.



I agree. Farmer and I seen them beat my very talented Denison Yellow Jackets like a drum last season. They were very very good last season, likely not an every season thing as you say, but they were freakishly deadly on offesne last season. Tyrick Rollison is a special player and I think he has a very bright future with Auburn. That kid ran the spread better than I've ever seen it run...and being a Carroll fan I've seen it ran pretty well by QB's.

[mojotrain]

I agree with the bolded, but its already the same with over half of the 265 5A schools...These 6 would do very well though.



HP- The 95, 105 or 115.

Longview- The 115, 125, 135 or 145.

Stephenville- The 35 or 45.

Lake Travis- The 255.

Everman- The 35 or 45.

La Marque- The 245.

Correct and some of those on the bottom do make the playoffs. Looking at your six, have you considered what district they would play in or who would be the powers in those districts? Maybe a easy walk for some of them.

[SLC]

Correct and some of those on the bottom do make the playoffs. Looking at your six, have you considered what district they would play in or who would be the powers in those districts? Maybe a easy walk for some of them.



I listed the likely districts out beside each team....Example: Stephenville, The 35 = district 3-5A. In that case they would be with Abilene. I dont think any of the 6 I listed would have an easy walk in the exampled districts. in some cases they would be easier than others, like in the case of Stephenville going to either the 35 or 45, the 45 is a tougher district than the 35 is.

[clemensbuff]

I agree with the bolded, but its already the same with over half of the 265 5A schools...These 6 would do very well though.



HP- The 95, 105 or 115.

Longview- The 115, 125, 135 or 145.

Stephenville- The 35 or 45.

Lake Travis- The 255.

Everman- The 35 or 45.

La Marque- The 245.



I totally agree with you on this. LT put a beat down on Westlake last year on TV and WL had a pretty decent 5a team. LM struggled some last year but if they get it back to where they had been the previous 20 years or so, they would hang with anybody out there.

Clemens stepped up to 5a for 6 seasons before Steele was built and competed fairly well and in 2003 lost a pretty good ball game in the semis to eventual champion Katy.

Clemens' baby brother Steele will most likely jump to 5a next year and I believe they will be more then competitive. In fact, I'd be surprised if they didn't make a heck of a run.

I remember how good a team Westlake had for many, many years in 4a and still never brought a title home.....until they went 5a. I believe they won it their 1st year in 5a if I'm not mistaken.

IMO, the top 4a teams in the State could hang very, very tough with 5a teams and compete day in and day out at a very high level. I've always said the difference in a great 5a and a great 4a team is not in the starting 22, it is in the 2nd stringer on down! Depth, and only depth because of the #s is the difference!

[bowiedawgs01]

SLC, are you from California? The way you refer to districts is akin to how they refer to their highways.

[SLC]

I totally agree with you on this. LT put a beat down on Westlake last year on TV and WL had a pretty decent 5a team. LM struggled some last year but if they get it back to where they had been the previous 20 years or so, they would hang with anybody out there.

Clemens stepped up to 5a for 6 seasons before Steele was built and competed fairly well and in 2003 lost a pretty good ball game in the semis to eventual champion Katy.

Clemens' baby brother Steele will most likely jump to 5a next year and I believe they will be more then competitive. In fact, I'd be surprised if they didn't make a heck of a run.

I remember how good a team Westlake had for many, many years in 4a and still never brought a title home.....until they went 5a. I believe they won it their 1st year in 5a if I'm not mistaken.

IMO, the top 4a teams in the State could hang very, very tough with 5a teams and compete day in and day out at a very high level. I've always said the difference in a great 5a and a great 4a team is not in the starting 22, it is in the 2nd stringer on down! Depth, and only depth because of the #s is the difference!


Yes sir...Depth is the key for 85-90% of all the 4A teams out there, but in the case of the 6 I listed and some others, they have as many participants on their varsity teams along with multiple jv and freshman teams, just like the 5A's do.


Yea, Westlake won the 5A title in '96 which would be 11 seasons after entering 5A, however their last season in 4A they they came so close to going to the title game against Tomball, but lost on penetrations to Sweetwater in the semi's. If they would have went to the finals they would have beaten Tomball just like Sweetwater did because those 2 were just so much better than that Tomball team that season.

Carroll was the first team to jump from 4A to 5A and win the title the first season in 5A in 2002.

[SLC]

SLC, are you from California? The way you refer to districts is akin to how they refer to their highways.

No sir..Texas born and Texas bred.:notworthy


I was born in Richardson, Texas and raised in Denison, Texas.

[bowiedawgs01]

No sir..Texas born and Texas bred.:notworthy


I was born in Richardson, Texas and raised in Denison, Texas.

Then you've just picked up on the Cali-speak from living in DFW. :p

[SLC]

Then you've just picked up on the Cali-speak from living in DFW. :p


Hell no.:mad:


:D

[Georgetown04]

Actually, the termonology in the CIF is very different from the UIL.The districts in California are called leagues; and instead of regions, they have sections-and divisions within. The divisions in CIF are like the classifications in UIL. Until just recently, CA never had a state champ in football, just sectional champs- Southern, Central, Northern,etc.
For the last three years, state titles for divisions 1,2, and 3 have been played at the Home Depot Center.

So that, in a nutshell, is cal prep fooball.:)

[bowiedawgs01]

Oh ok.

But I'm talking about how Californians refer to highways, like "the 101."

[clemensbuff]

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Yea, Westlake won the 5A title in '96 which would be 11 seasons after entering 5A, however their last season in 4A they they came so close to going to the title game against Tomball, but lost on penetrations to Sweetwater in the semi's. QUOTE]


11 seasons, are you sure? I could have sworn that WL was still 4a in the early 90s. The reason I thought this is because my brother was the running back on the 91' SC Buffalo team that lost to Calallen in round 3 or 4 and I could have sworn that Callalen played WL the next week and lost to them after opening up the game with a big lead. :confused: Maybe I'm wrong but I swore that was WL that beat Cal.

[bowiedawgs01]

Westlake was 5A from '86-89. 4A from '90-93. Then back to 5A from '94-Present.

[SLC]

11 seasons, are you sure? I could have sworn that WL was still 4a in the early 90s. The reason I thought this is because my brother was the running back on the 91' SC Buffalo team that lost to Calallen in round 3 or 4 and I could have sworn that Callalen played WL the next week and lost to them after opening up the game with a big lead. :confused: Maybe I'm wrong but I swore that was WL that beat Cal.


Sorry about the confusion, I had forgotten that Westlake went from 5A in '89 to 4A for 4 seasons from '90-'93 and then back up to 5A in '94 and won the 5A title in '96. So they did go to the title game their first season back up to 5A against John Tyler in '94, but lost it. The '91 season you are reffering to they did indeed beat CC Calallen and then lost to AMC the next week.

Again, I'm sorry for the confusion, but my brain wasn't clicking fully when I said that earlier for me not to remember that they played in 4A twice and 5A twice.

[SLC]

Westlake was 5A from '86-89. 4A from '90-93. Then back to 5A from '94-Present.



Yep I had forgotten they 2 stints in 4A and 2 stints in 5A. Was also in 4A for 6 seasons from '80-'85.