What teams could compile a SUPERPOWER district?

[Mr.LoBeaux]

:eek: I was just thinking. With all this surprising realignment every couple of years. What five to six, 5A teams could format the MOST abusing punishment around the state if compiled together? My picks are:

Southlake Carroll
Lufkin Panthers
Denton Ryan Raiders
Longview Lobos
Tyler Lee Red Raiders :eek:

While Lufkin is probably an automatic non-figure considering geographical measures(which is probably a GREAT thing for Longview's HC) the rest of the teams that are listed could be a definate possibility, VERY SMALL but, possible!

[dragons08]

:eek: I was just thinking. With all this surprising realignment every couple of years. What five to six, 5A teams could format the MOST abusing punishment around the state if compiled together? My picks are:

Southlake Carroll
Lufkin Panthers
Denton Ryan Raiders
Longview Lobos
Tyler Lee Red Raiders :eek:

While Lufkin is probably an automatic non-figure considering geographical measures(which is probably a GREAT thing for Longview's HC) the rest of the teams that are listed could be a definate possibility, VERY SMALL but, possible!
if this were to happen, the winner of this district wins state

[Mr.LoBeaux]

Oh yeah!!! I agree 100%

[jtk1519]

Such a district already exists. It's called district 3-5A. :eek: :D :cool:

[wide-e-wide]

[QUOTE=Mr.LoBeaux]:eek: I was just thinking. With all this surprising realignment every couple of years. What five to six, 5A teams could format the MOST abusing punishment around the state if compiled together? My picks are:

Southlake Carroll
Lufkin Panthers
Denton Ryan Raiders
Longview Lobos
Tyler Lee Red Raiders :eek:

Lufkin,Longview,and Tyler Lee were in the same district...for years.
And they had to play each other twice...now that's eeek!

[SmilinTiger]

Oh yeah!!! I agree 100%

I totally disagree 100%.

Of the teams in this mythical district, both Longview and Southlake Carroll have lost State Championships to Katy. Only Lufkin has won over Katy in two meaningless season opening wins. In '03 Katy lost their season opener to Lufkin, only to reel off 15 straight wins and a State Championship win over SLC. Katy beat Longview in the Division 1 State game in 1997.

Katy and Midland Lee are the only Texas 5A teams to win a State Championship in both Division 1 & 2.

Since 1994, Katy has qualified for the State Championship game 6 times, winning 3, losing 2 and being DQ'd once.

The DQ was in 1998.

And Katy was back in the State Game in '99. We lost.

In 1997 the Katy Tigers beat nationally ranked #3 Longview 27-3 in the Division 1 State game.

In 1998 Katy was 15-0 on the field, but had to forfeit games and the State Championship opportunity.

And by the way, Katy is now 3rd alltime in 5A play-off victories behind Permian and Judson.

Leaving Katy out of your mythical All-Everything district is exhibiting a severe lack of current Texas football knowledge.

By the way, Katy is 27-3 in the last 2 seasons. And the '03 Div. 2 State Championship winner over SLC.

G'Day.

[jtk1519]

Katy and Midland Lee are the only Texas 5A teams to win a State Championship in both Division 1 & 2.

Correction... Not only has Lewisville done it, but they were the first to do it.

[RidgePride]

I totally disagree 100%.

Of the teams in this mythical district, both Longview and Southlake Carroll have lost State Championships to Katy. Only Lufkin has won over Katy in two meaningless season opening wins. In '03 Katy lost their season opener to Lufkin, only to reel off 15 straight wins and a State Championship win over SLC. Katy beat Longview in the Division 1 State game in 1997.

Katy and Midland Lee are the only Texas 5A teams to win a State Championship in both Division 1 & 2.

Since 1994, Katy has qualified for the State Championship game 6 times, winning 3, losing 2 and being DQ'd once.

The DQ was in 1998.

And Katy was back in the State Game in '99. We lost.

In 1997 the Katy Tigers beat nationally ranked #3 Longview 27-3 in the Division 1 State game.

In 1998 Katy was 15-0 on the field, but had to forfeit games and the State Championship opportunity.

And by the way, Katy is now 3rd alltime in 5A play-off victories behind Permian and Judson.

Leaving Katy out of your mythical All-Everything district is exhibiting a severe lack of current Texas football knowledge.

By the way, Katy is 27-3 in the last 2 seasons. And the '03 Div. 2 State Championship winner over SLC.

G'Day.

Well make your own mythical powerhouse district.

[dragons08]

Well make your own mythical powerhouse district.
good point, after all this is Mr.LoBeaux's mythical powerhouse district

[Mr.LoBeaux]

:mad: While you are running your "D" mouth, BOY! It was 24-3 and I played on that 1997 team. By the way, congrats on your win............................ 8 years ago. And, for your info, we didn't use any of our playbook that we went with fo those other 14 games except for at the very end of the game. We changed ALL offensive and defensive schematics that coach Johnston of Katy was viewing. Stupid MOVE? YES. If we had to stick with what got us there, would the outcome been to Longview's benefit MORE THAN LIKELY but who knows, right? I mean Katy's loss to Langham Creek Lobos in '97 was ridiculous too. :eek:

[Jtate862003]

Whew...this one could get interesting...........

I would say my district would be....


JOHN TYLER in there good years
Tyler Lee in there good years
Lufkin
Katy
Austin Westlake
Longview

[rangerpride]

I'm assuming you mean a district of schools that are still geographically close enough to each other to share the same district.

In that case, take this district, (which COULD REALLY happen in a year, but won't unless all the NEISD schools are included)

Converse Judson
Smithson Valley
SA Madison
Schertz Clemens
SA O'Connor
SA Taft
SA Clark
SA Churchill

That would be one bloody district to go through.

This is our district now
SV
Madison
Churchill
Reagan
MacArthur
Roosevelt
Lee
Judson

If we could scrap Lee and add Clemens we'd be HANDS DOWN the toughest district in all of Texas with SV, Judson, Clemens, and Madison's great programs. (Along with and up and coming Churchill and a rebounding Roosevelt program led by Coach Hill's brother)

[BAMF cowboy]

My Super-District:

Southlake Carroll
Lufkin
Katy
Smithson Valley
Longview
Converse Judson
Tyler Lee
Denton Ryan

No team would come out alive!

[Red Raiders]

Lufkin,Longview,and Tyler Lee were in the same district...for years.
And they had to play each other twice...now that's eeek![/QUOTE]

yep 2 seasons ago, it was been a tough district for several years and Tyler John Tyler was also very good when because they lost in the state.

[Jtate862003]

Those games were awesome...but when lee longview and lufkin played eachother all the teams are so physical by the time you got out of district you would have so many injuries......

[Rerun]

I'm assuming you mean a district of schools that are still geographically close enough to each other to share the same district.

In that case, take this district, (which COULD REALLY happen in a year, but won't unless all the NEISD schools are included)

Converse Judson
Smithson Valley
SA Madison
Schertz Clemens
SA O'Connor
SA Taft
SA Clark
SA Churchill

That would be one bloody district to go through.

This is our district now
SV
Madison
Churchill
Reagan
MacArthur
Roosevelt
Lee
Judson

If we could scrap Lee and add Clemens we'd be HANDS DOWN the toughest district in all of Texas with SV, Judson, Clemens, and Madison's great programs. (Along with and up and coming Churchill and a rebounding Roosevelt program led by Coach Hill's brother)


I wish Clemens was still in 26-5A, but nope, UIL has us with some jokes like Jefferson and Southwest. This will be Clemens' last year in 5A for a while so lets hope they go out with a bang.

[dragonsdaddy]

a doable district, travel wise would be d-ryan, slc, carter, garland, allen, a-lamar, duncanville, mansfield summit, and trinity. the winner would be well tested but beat up too bad to contend in december,

[RedRage00]

Here it goes....

L. United South
L. Nixon
L. Cigarroa
L. United
L. Johnson
L. Alexander
Eagle Pass

I thought Lonny would be the first to poke fun, but I guess he's slacking lately!

[Slim-Rob]

Here it goes....

L. United South
L. Nixon
L. Cigarroa
L. United
L. Johnson
L. Alexander
Eagle Pass

I thought Lonny would be the first to poke fun, but I guess he's slacking lately!

add SA Lee and you'd have it

[RedRage00]

add SA Lee and you'd have it

Nah, Lee is not as bad as those Laredo schools....they actually played Seguin pretty well last season and Seguin was 2nd to Clemens. They could probably win any south side district in SA.....

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

Lufkin
P.A. Memorial
Tyler Lee
Longview
Midland Lee
Katy
Jasper
SLC



Nobody gets out without at least 1 lost.

[RedRage00]

Lufkin
P.A. Memorial
Tyler Lee
Longview
Midland Lee
Katy
Jasper
SLC



Nobody gets out without at least 1 lost.


You are soo biased for PAM lol :p

PAM would probably be last in that district ;)

[myround0]

I totally disagree 100%.

Of the teams in this mythical district, both Longview and Southlake Carroll have lost State Championships to Katy. Only Lufkin has won over Katy in two meaningless season opening wins. In '03 Katy lost their season opener to Lufkin, only to reel off 15 straight wins and a State Championship win over SLC. Katy beat Longview in the Division 1 State game in 1997.

Katy and Midland Lee are the only Texas 5A teams to win a State Championship in both Division 1 & 2.

Since 1994, Katy has qualified for the State Championship game 6 times, winning 3, losing 2 and being DQ'd once.

The DQ was in 1998.

And Katy was back in the State Game in '99. We lost.

In 1997 the Katy Tigers beat nationally ranked #3 Longview 27-3 in the Division 1 State game.

In 1998 Katy was 15-0 on the field, but had to forfeit games and the State Championship opportunity.

And by the way, Katy is now 3rd alltime in 5A play-off victories behind Permian and Judson.

Leaving Katy out of your mythical All-Everything district is exhibiting a severe lack of current Texas football knowledge.

By the way, Katy is 27-3 in the last 2 seasons. And the '03 Div. 2 State Championship winner over SLC.

G'Day.


I bet if you went back and looked at the 1997 game against Longview, Katy should have been made to forfeit that game to. The one thing Longview does is play within the rules, I don't know if Longview has ever been asked to forfeit a game due to using players that are ineligible. However, as a Lobo grad, I will not dwell on the past because the present and the future has been good to Longview over the last sixty or so years. No championship banners since 37, but a plethora of talent and exciting games.

[GoOwls]

I'm assuming if you say "Super District" that travel is not question, you want the top 8 programs in the state. Also, every 2 years the district would be re-assessed and any school not performing up to standards or has been surpassed by another program, would be dropped and the other school added, thereby creating an 8 team "Super District". If so, at this time, my 8 would be for this season and next:

Longview
Southlake Carroll
Lufkin
Midland Lee
Converse Judson
Smithson Valley
Tyler Lee
Galena Park Northshore

I would have Ennis in this group, if they were 5A, taking the place of GPN.

In two years it would change, if necessary.

[pack0808]

katy has been the man in the big game when playing east texas but in the last 3 regular season vs east texas katy has been outscored by at least an average of 24 points. i am not making that up either.

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

You are soo biased for PAM lol :p

PAM would probably be last in that district ;)
We would still make the playoffs though basing it off of the schedule. :D

[hardknox]

Some of the districts you all are posting would likely result in all the playoff teams LIMPING away from district and losing to a lesser team as a result. Each game would be a playoff game in itself. I would go as far as to say there are some college level teams that could not compete in some of these districts.
How about this one:
1. SLC
2. Lufkin
3. Katy
4. Westfield
5. Judson
6. Longview
7. Smithson Valley
8. Tyler Lee

[RedRage00]

We would still make the playoffs though basing it off of the schedule. :D

I wonder if PAM and Victoria are good friends lol...ok, that was lame! But I'm bored at work.

[pack0808]

i thought it was funny!! :) do not forget their friend donna!! ;)

[dragonsdaddy]

and alice, too.

[pack0808]

there is a school named alice in texas??

[dragonsdaddy]

down in s texas about 35 miles se of c christi, near orange grove.

[Thor]

:eek: I was just thinking. With all this surprising realignment every couple of years. What five to six, 5A teams could format the MOST abusing punishment around the state if compiled together? My picks are:

Southlake Carroll
Lufkin Panthers
Denton Ryan Raiders
Longview Lobos
Tyler Lee Red Raiders :eek:

While Lufkin is probably an automatic non-figure considering geographical measures(which is probably a GREAT thing for Longview's HC) the rest of the teams that are listed could be a definate possibility, VERY SMALL but, possible!

Why not put a twist on it. Lets make strongest powerhouse district by COUNTY in Texas. Such as Harris County in Houston . Which teams in Harris county would make the strongest district...

[Texas Hammer]

add SA Lee and you'd have it
Lee had a good RB last year and that made them better than the other years. I think their coach has them playing better. Even Judson's 63-7 win last year was tougher than previous years.

[LoboFan07]

Lufkin,Longview,and Tyler Lee were in the same district...for years.
And they had to play each other twice...now that's eeek!

yep 2 seasons ago, it was been a tough district for several years and Tyler John Tyler was also very good when because they lost in the state.

Uhh..Actually no.

Longview Lufkin Tyler Lee and John Tyler werent even supposed to be the whole district. Rockwall and oo who was it some other Dallas school got out of being entered into our district so it was left Longview, Lufkin, Lee, and JT to play a round robin format. |Edit-Just remembered it was Desoto who was supposed to join with Rockwall|

John Tyler had gone 6-4 in the 2001 season not making the playoffs. In 2002, the district began and the four teams went off.

John Tyler went 3-7, in 2003 when 1-9 and this past year went 2-8.

John Tyler hasnt even won a district game in over 3 years. John Tyler's last district win was in 2001 in a 34-10 win over 5-5 Marshall. Since that win over Marshall in the 2nd to last game of the season, they have gone 0-19 in District games. They lost to Tyler Lee in their last game of the season in 2001 to Lee.

John Tyler has been horrible since their loss to Katy in the 2000 State Championship. 2001 and on they just...Cant put it anyway else...Have just plain sucked.

Back on topic though...I've really started to think..

Highland Park is almost a bet for moving up to 5A next year and John Tyler is almost a sure thing to move down to 4A..

Could it be that District 12-5A could be..
Longview
Tyler Lee
North Mesquite
Mesquite
Mesquite Horn
Rockwall
And Highland Park After next year's realignment.

Mesquite Horn will have a great team next year. Longview and Lee always come back. North Mesquite will be improved as will Mesquite. Rockwall should be a little improved. And then the addition of 4A power Highland Park? Wow! That should be fun and it is so realistic

[Texas Hammer]

and alice, too.
The one common theme about Alice, PAM, Victoria, and Donna is that they all play like girls! :p

It always seems odd that SA O'Connor named in honor of Sandra Day O'Connor is good at football. What do they do, throw a wig at you and hit you with a gavel? :D

[Texas Hammer]

I don't know about most of you guys, but I'd have to create 2 districts. One for D1 and one for D2. For me, it's always what teams will Judson have to play in the D1 playoffs.

D1 district
Converse Judson
Galena Park North Shore
Spring Westfield
Tyler Lee
Euless Trinity
The Woodlands
Schertz Clemens
SA O'Connor

Midland Lee barely misses the cut.

D2 district
Southlake Carroll
Lufkin
Longview
Katy
Smithson Valley
Denton Ryan
Abilene
Austin Westlake

Those districts are designed to have teams who have played at a high level recently

[GTown02]

If UIL dropped John Tyler and added Highland Park to 12-5A, wouldnt that be a little hard on the other teams in the district? Having to drive from Tyler, let alone Longview, to Dallas just to play a regular season game. I mean doing it once to play Rockwall is enough, why make them do it twice in one season?

[drgnbkr]

down in s texas about 35 miles se of c christi, near orange grove.

Those Alice Coyotes.....

[CoppellCowboy57]

:eek: I was just thinking. With all this surprising realignment every couple of years. What five to six, 5A teams could format the MOST abusing punishment around the state if compiled together? My picks are:

Southlake Carroll
Lufkin Panthers
Denton Ryan Raiders
Longview Lobos
Tyler Lee Red Raiders :eek:

While Lufkin is probably an automatic non-figure considering geographical measures(which is probably a GREAT thing for Longview's HC) the rest of the teams that are listed could be a definate possibility, VERY SMALL but, possible!

How bout this district

Southlake Carroll
Lufkin Panthers
Euless Trinty Trojans
Longview Lobos
Tyler Lee Red Raiders
Denton Ryan Blue Raiders

Add Euless Trinty in there, for size

[LoboFan07]

If UIL dropped John Tyler and added Highland Park to 12-5A, wouldnt that be a little hard on the other teams in the district? Having to drive from Tyler, let alone Longview, to Dallas just to play a regular season game. I mean doing it once to play Rockwall is enough, why make them do it twice in one season?

Well Think about it..

John Tyler's numbers are horrible so IMO I think they'll drop. Not certain but Im pretty sure. Leaving 6 teams in 12-5A.

Garland (11-5A) has 7 teams...Richardson (10-5A) has 8 teams...Dallas (9-5A) has 7 teams...I dont see why you would put them but 13-5A had 8 teams..

IMO thats the only place you would have to put them if all the district stay the same. The Garland district is going to stay the same. I dont see the Richardson or Dallas district changing at all..

It's kind of like..they dont have any other place to put them but there so they have to put them in 12-5A. I mean I could be just dreaming. I dont even know how they'll do districts next year with the 4 teams in the playoffs. Will they make the district larger? If they make them larger that kind of scares me.

Would we have to be put in a district with A&M, Belton, Waco and teams even further away in 13-5A? So confusing

[myround0]

:eek: I was just thinking. With all this surprising realignment every couple of years. What five to six, 5A teams could format the MOST abusing punishment around the state if compiled together? My picks are:

Southlake Carroll
Lufkin Panthers
Denton Ryan Raiders
Longview Lobos
Tyler Lee Red Raiders :eek:

While Lufkin is probably an automatic non-figure considering geographical measures(which is probably a GREAT thing for Longview's HC) the rest of the teams that are listed could be a definate possibility, VERY SMALL but, possible!


I just posted my picks, Longview Lobos, Lufkin Panthers, John Tyler Mighty Lions, Southlake Carroll Dragons, Denton Ryan Lions, Tyler Lee Red Raiders, and The Woodlands, power district with John Tyler the only proposed weak link, that said John Tyler produced Earl Campbell.

[dentonRYAN]

no no no....no denton ryan lion......and not denton ryan blue raiders

come on guys

its Denton Ryan Raiders

jk...im havin fun with you guys

[myround0]

Uhh..Actually no.

Longview Lufkin Tyler Lee and John Tyler werent even supposed to be the whole district. Rockwall and oo who was it some other Dallas school got out of being entered into our district so it was left Longview, Lufkin, Lee, and JT to play a round robin format. |Edit-Just remembered it was Desoto who was supposed to join with Rockwall|

John Tyler had gone 6-4 in the 2001 season not making the playoffs. In 2002, the district began and the four teams went off.

John Tyler went 3-7, in 2003 when 1-9 and this past year went 2-8.

John Tyler hasnt even won a district game in over 3 years. John Tyler's last district win was in 2001 in a 34-10 win over 5-5 Marshall. Since that win over Marshall in the 2nd to last game of the season, they have gone 0-19 in District games. They lost to Tyler Lee in their last game of the season in 2001 to Lee.

John Tyler has been horrible since their loss to Katy in the 2000 State Championship. 2001 and on they just...Cant put it anyway else...Have just plain sucked.

Back on topic though...I've really started to think..

Highland Park is almost a bet for moving up to 5A next year and John Tyler is almost a sure thing to move down to 4A..

Could it be that District 12-5A could be..
Longview
Tyler Lee
North Mesquite
Mesquite
Mesquite Horn
Rockwall
And Highland Park After next year's realignment.

Mesquite Horn will have a great team next year. Longview and Lee always come back. North Mesquite will be improved as will Mesquite. Rockwall should be a little improved. And then the addition of 4A power Highland Park? Wow! That should be fun and it is so realistic


If Longview has any input, I would think they would rather see Lufkin before adding Highland Park. Yes Park is a good team, but nothing compares to Longview-Lufkin unless you say Lufkin-Lee or Longview-Lee. I would guess, if John Tyler goes, then Lufkin would be back home with Lee and Longview. Then you would have four teams from Dallas and three teams from East Texas. Not good for Dallas.

[myround0]

no no no....no denton ryan lion......and not denton ryan blue raiders

come on guys

its Denton Ryan Raiders

jk...im havin fun with you guys

Ok i stand corrected denton ryan raiders

[LoboFan07]

If Longview has any input, I would think they would rather see Lufkin before adding Highland Park. Yes Park is a good team, but nothing compares to Longview-Lufkin unless you say Lufkin-Lee or Longview-Lee. I would guess, if John Tyler goes, then Lufkin would be back home with Lee and Longview. Then you would have four teams from Dallas and three teams from East Texas. Not good for Dallas.

I would love for that to happen. I just hope they dont split Longview up with either Tyler team. And just put us in the Lp district. I would hate traveling that far for a district game

[Bootsdaddy]

If Longview has any input, I would think they would rather see Lufkin before adding Highland Park. Yes Park is a good team, but nothing compares to Longview-Lufkin unless you say Lufkin-Lee or Longview-Lee. I would guess, if John Tyler goes, then Lufkin would be back home with Lee and Longview. Then you would have four teams from Dallas and three teams from East Texas. Not good for Dallas.


I dont think you there is any chance they will put the Panthers in a district with the Mesquite schools. That has to be close to 200 miles while Humble, Kingwood, etc are just about 110 miles from Lufkin.

[Eagle81]

I guess I'll just stick to my very biased opinion of keeping the "The Little Southwest Conference" together and I would suggest that the East Texas studs do the same. In my opinion top to bottom it doesn't get much better than that and these districts already exist (i.e. not a fantasy). That being said if you was to put Longview, Tyler Lee and Lufkin in 3-5A that would have to be the toughest district, not only the the state, but very probably the nation.

[The Dude]

I bet if you went back and looked at the 1997 game against Longview, Katy should have been made to forfeit that game to. The one thing Longview does is play within the rules, I don't know if Longview has ever been asked to forfeit a game due to using players that are ineligible. However, as a Lobo grad, I will not dwell on the past because the present and the future has been good to Longview over the last sixty or so years. No championship banners since 37, but a plethora of talent and exciting games.


Please explain to me how Katy's '97 team "should have been made to forfeit that game" if you're not just dwelling on the past.

My super district:

Southlake : Because well..they are Southlake and you can't argue with that
Katy : Since 1995: 2nd most wins of any Texas HS team in all classes behind Celina, and the only team to beat SLC in 5A. Also qualified for 5 state final games, 1 semi final apperance and 1 qtr final in that time span, make that 6 state champ games if you go back 1 more year to '94. I think a lot of people don't give Katy the credit they deserve. Can't disagree with the facts
Lufkin: Always a top team in the regular season and consistently are making deep playoff runs. Recent state title to boot
Judson : Storied program,perenial power, top 10 in all of texas for winning percentage since '95. Many state championships and one of the State's top programs dating back to over 30 years
Denton Ryan: 4A power house and had a good first 5A season, tied for 1st with most wins since 2000 with Celina(68).
Smithson Valley
: 2 state title apperances in 3 years of 5A. Unfortuantely they had to play SLC both those years. They gave southlake a run for their money though. Also an amazing program in 4A.

I leave out Longview because they can never win a state title and Midland Lee because they havent done anything too amazing since the Benson era. And of course having a district like this would be just plain ridiculous because like someone stated earlier, the teams advancing to the playoffs from this would be limping in after going through this district and more than likely not win the state championship.

[biki1121]

I don't know if this a "super-power" district but it sure is the district I would like to see.

Lufkin
Longview
Spring Hill (up to 5A)
Tyler Lee
John Tyler
Marshall (back to 5A)
Palestine (combine the schools for a 5A)
Nacogdoches (back to 5A)

I think this would prove to be a tough district over the long run. I doubt it would be the single toughest district in the state in any year but with so much talent per capita it would be great.

And if this district wasn't possible, maybe move them down to 4A which is probably going to happen anyway with the exception of T-Lee and Longview. Then I would add Kilgore and Jacksonville as the replacements.

What do you think about that district?

[pack0808]

according to dave campbell mag the lufkin/tyler/longview area had the most div1 athletes per capita for the 2nd year in a row. 1 in every 9. the closest to east texas was the dallas area which had the most total but they had a 1/16 ratio per capita.

[myround0]

Please explain to me how Katy's '97 team "should have been made to forfeit that game" if you're not just dwelling on the past.

My super district:

Southlake : Because well..they are Southlake and you can't argue with that
Katy : Since 1995: 2nd most wins of any Texas HS team in all classes behind Celina, and the only team to beat SLC in 5A. Also qualified for 5 state final games, 1 semi final apperance and 1 qtr final in that time span, make that 6 state champ games if you go back 1 more year to '94. I think a lot of people don't give Katy the credit they deserve. Can't disagree with the facts
Lufkin: Always a top team in the regular season and consistently are making deep playoff runs. Recent state title to boot
Judson : Storied program,perenial power, top 10 in all of texas for winning percentage since '95. Many state championships and one of the State's top programs dating back to over 30 years
Denton Ryan: 4A power house and had a good first 5A season, tied for 1st with most wins since 2000 with Celina(68).
Smithson Valley
: 2 state title apperances in 3 years of 5A. Unfortuantely they had to play SLC both those years. They gave southlake a run for their money though. Also an amazing program in 4A.

I leave out Longview because they can never win a state title and Midland Lee because they havent done anything too amazing since the Benson era. And of course having a district like this would be just plain ridiculous because like someone stated earlier, the teams advancing to the playoffs from this would be limping in after going through this district and more than likely not win the state championship.

Leave Longview out and show the whole room how little you know. Yes it has been over 60 years since the Lobos won a title. But, the Lobos play some of the state's best football and continues to dominate some of the nation's top programs. For the life of me I just don't understand how people continue to use the Lobos lack of winning a title as an excuse to either place teams above Longview in the ranks or leave them out of the power district. In fact they even place teams who have yes to win a state 5A title above the Lobos (Spring Westfield, and Smithson Valley).

[Mad Hatter]

but they still have nothing to show for it do they?

[The Dude]

Leave Longview out and show the whole room how little you know. Yes it has been over 60 years since the Lobos won a title. But, the Lobos play some of the state's best football and continues to dominate some of the nation's top programs. For the life of me I just don't understand how people continue to use the Lobos lack of winning a title as an excuse to either place teams above Longview in the ranks or leave them out of the power district. In fact they even place teams who have yes to win a state 5A title above the Lobos (Spring Westfield, and Smithson Valley).

Ya you're right I know NOTHING about High School football. I've only watched it since I was about 8 and played for 4 years for one of the state's top schools and passed up the chance to go play college ball at the d3 level. I think at this point Smithson Valley has more of a right to be labeled as a more succesful program than Longview has been. Like I said, SV has been to 2 state finals in its 3 year 5A history and unfortunately for them, that had to play SLC both times. And they were that close to being the only team to beat Southlake last year. Honestly I don't know this one for sure so someone that would please help me out, but I believe SV also made some state finals in 4A in the years right before coming up to 5A..so thats more than Longview has done. But in no way am I trying to say Longview is not a good program, so please don't take it the wrong way. I respect how they do so well in the regular season vs traditionaly strong teams, but untill Longview starts doing something that people remember(state titles, title appearances) then I will not include them in the elite programs of 5A. Obviously they were in consideration for what they DO do, or else I would have never brought them up.

[Mad Hatter]

Lets do this by region.

Max of 7 Teams Per distirct. 4 regions should be 28 teams in all.
ill post last years recods as well...

Region 1:
Abilene (12-1)
Euless Trinity (10-4)
SLC (16-0)
Denton Ryan (12-2)
Midland Lee (8-3)
Duncanville (9-3)
Mansfield Summit (9-4)

Region 2:
Lufkin (14-1)
Longview (12-1)
Tyler Lee (12-3)
Coperas Cove (10-2)
Woodlands (8-4)
Dallas Carter (10-2)
Westlake (8-3)

Region 3:
Eisenhower (6-5)
Katy (12-2)
Westfield (13-2)
P.A. Memorial (6-5)
Northshore (11-1)
Pearland (9-2)
Westside (11-1)

Region 4:
Judson (13-1)
SV (13-3)
Churchill (7-3)
Madison (8-4)
Clemens (8-3)
O'Connor (10-2)
Warren (7-3)

those are mine not post yours please :)

[Red Raiders]

[QUOTE=Mr.LoBeaux]:eek: I was just thinking. With all this surprising realignment every couple of years. What five to six, 5A teams could format the MOST abusing punishment around the state if compiled together? My picks are:

Southlake Carroll
Lufkin Panthers
Denton Ryan Raiders
Longview Lobos
Tyler Lee Red Raiders :eek:

Lufkin,Longview,and Tyler Lee were in the same district...for years.
And they had to play each other twice...now that's eeek!

No Kidding, I been wanting Lee to beat all of them and it didn't work because this district was probably 1 of the hardest district ever in nation.

[Red Raiders]

Well Think about it..

John Tyler's numbers are horrible so IMO I think they'll drop. Not certain but Im pretty sure. Leaving 6 teams in 12-5A.

Garland (11-5A) has 7 teams...Richardson (10-5A) has 8 teams...Dallas (9-5A) has 7 teams...I dont see why you would put them but 13-5A had 8 teams..

IMO thats the only place you would have to put them if all the district stay the same. The Garland district is going to stay the same. I dont see the Richardson or Dallas district changing at all..

It's kind of like..they dont have any other place to put them but there so they have to put them in 12-5A. I mean I could be just dreaming. I dont even know how they'll do districts next year with the 4 teams in the playoffs. Will they make the district larger? If they make them larger that kind of scares me.

Would we have to be put in a district with A&M, Belton, Waco and teams even further away in 13-5A? So confusing

IF John Tyler students keep coming our school but I think they can't next year and if they did they will go down 4A probably 4 or 5 years later. If they stop transferring to Lee next year then They won't drop to 4A.

[myround0]

Ya you're right I know NOTHING about High School football. I've only watched it since I was about 8 and played for 4 years for one of the state's top schools and passed up the chance to go play college ball at the d3 level. I think at this point Smithson Valley has more of a right to be labeled as a more succesful program than Longview has been. Like I said, SV has been to 2 state finals in its 3 year 5A history and unfortunately for them, that had to play SLC both times. And they were that close to being the only team to beat Southlake last year. Honestly I don't know this one for sure so someone that would please help me out, but I believe SV also made some state finals in 4A in the years right before coming up to 5A..so thats more than Longview has done. But in no way am I trying to say Longview is not a good program, so please don't take it the wrong way. I respect how they do so well in the regular season vs traditionaly strong teams, but untill Longview starts doing something that people remember(state titles, title appearances) then I will not include them in the elite programs of 5A. Obviously they were in consideration for what they DO do, or else I would have never brought them up.

Last year was Lee's first title ever, try telling them there are teams better than them, when they beat up on your beloved spring westfield and others. Lee lost three games last year and one was to the Lobos. So what you want us to do is just forget the fact the Lobos were ranked third in the nation in 97 and lost to katy in the finals. So it is not like Longview hasn't played in a title game in the last ten years. Yes, SV and many others have been the punching bag of SLC for the last three years. But for you to use the rational that Longview has yet to win a title, or should i say, hasn't won a 5A title since 1937, they should be dropped off the page for a SV or Spring Westfield who has never won a 5A title. What a hypocritical stance that is. To champion one team who has never won a title, over a team that won a title about 70 years ago. give me a break

[dragonsdaddy]

let's forget about titles that the players grandfathers only heard about from their fathers in any arguments. i agree on the other hand however with the rest of your discussion points.

[Mr.LoBeaux]

:mad: Yeah, let me add too this too. You put KATY in regions I or II with the like of meeting teams like Lufkin, Southlake Carroll, Longview, Euless Trinity,Tyler Lee, Denton Ryan, and The Woodlands. Now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, more than likely you will at some point have to get through these teams to EVEN get to the the QUARTER or SEMI-FINALS much less a STATE CHAMPIONSHIP GAME!!!! Now with that being said, factor in your region III & IV teams down there :
S.A. O'Connor, Laredo United, Pasadena Dobie, Fort Bend Hightower????????????????????????? You've got to be Kidding!!!!!!!!??????? The only LEGITIMATE TEAMS are G.P.N.S., Spring WSTFLD., Conv. Juds. & Smith.Valley! Now we can definately take these O'connor's, Dobies, and Laredo teams in exchange for the SLC, Lufkin, Denton Ryan, Euless Trinity,Tyler Lee, Longview and The Woodlands. Now, I want you to look at what Regions I & II face EVERY YEAR as oppossed to your super creme-puff, jelly doughnut, watered-down Kool-Aid edition teams in region III & IV and I BELIEVE that if you have watched any TEXAS football that you might just SHUT UP-QUICK!!!!!!!!!! Because, the way the U.I.L. operates we could openly ask for this exchange in playoff format, take it before the board get it passed and then wait to see how many APPEALS you send in to Austin begging like a constipated, homeless man with no toilet tissue to wipe because you opened your SMART 'A' mouth and put your foot in a pile of you- know-what!!! Plain and simple. You got it just about as easy as you're gonna get and don't know APPARENTLY, how easy you really got it!!! :eek:

[Mad Hatter]

if our region is so waterd down....why is 26-5A the hardest district ???? surley some one as old and as wise as ure self can answer that ?

[The Dude]

Last year was Lee's first title ever, try telling them there are teams better than them, when they beat up on your beloved spring westfield and others. Lee lost three games last year and one was to the Lobos. So what you want us to do is just forget the fact the Lobos were ranked third in the nation in 97 and lost to katy in the finals. So it is not like Longview hasn't played in a title game in the last ten years. Yes, SV and many others have been the punching bag of SLC for the last three years. But for you to use the rational that Longview has yet to win a title, or should i say, hasn't won a 5A title since 1937, they should be dropped off the page for a SV or Spring Westfield who has never won a 5A title. What a hypocritical stance that is. To champion one team who has never won a title, over a team that won a title about 70 years ago. give me a break


Someone please point out to me where I ever said anything about Westfield. And good God please read again what I said last. I'm not trying to downplay Longview. In no way should they be dropped off the page for a team like westfield, I don't know where you're getting that I ever said that from, but SV has been more succesful recently, so in all rights they have priority over Longview in my book as of now. If you wanna start going back then heck, might as well put Odessa Permian in my list. No one remembers 2nd place my friend..I never hear anyone talk about the 2002(I believe) Midland Bulldogs. They were seconds away from defeating almighty Judson for the state championship, and then a last second bomb lost the game for them. Championships are what get you recognized and remembered among the elite.

And for Mr.LoBeaux- Yes I totally agree Katy has one of the easiest roads to state and region 3 is extremely weak compared to 1 and 2, but if you even try to say they don't belong among the state's top programs, then you are ignorant. Katy might not have the same exact success it has right now if they were in that region, but I gurantee you they'd still be a powerhouse.

[Mad Hatter]

Katy is a powerohouse program...putting them in anoter region woul;dt change that.

[dragonsdaddy]

Katy is a powerohouse program...putting them in anoter region woul;dt change that.
truer words were never typed. i attended what was the coming out party for katy in the state champ game vs plano back in the day. i remember thinking how surprised i was that the little town on the rice prairie, known more for goose hunting than anything, was going to find out how football was supposed to be played. they found out all right and took that lesson and soared. since then they are very likely the winningest team in victories, and close in titles too. if they aren't a powerhouse, the word should be struck from the lexicon of these boards.

[Mad Hatter]

truer words were never typed. i attended what was the coming out party for katy in the state champ game vs plano back in the day. i remember thinking how surprised i was that the little town on the rice prairie, known more for goose hunting than anything, was going to find out how football was supposed to be played. they found out all right and took that lesson and soared. since then they are very likely the winningest team in victories, and close in titles too. if they aren't a powerhouse, the word should be struck from the lexicon of these boards.

i completley agree with you 100%... even if u are from SLC :D only kiddin...

[myround0]

Someone please point out to me where I ever said anything about Westfield. And good God please read again what I said last. I'm not trying to downplay Longview. In no way should they be dropped off the page for a team like westfield, I don't know where you're getting that I ever said that from, but SV has been more succesful recently, so in all rights they have priority over Longview in my book as of now. If you wanna start going back then heck, might as well put Odessa Permian in my list. No one remembers 2nd place my friend..I never hear anyone talk about the 2002(I believe) Midland Bulldogs. They were seconds away from defeating almighty Judson for the state championship, and then a last second bomb lost the game for them. Championships are what get you recognized and remembered among the elite.

And for Mr.LoBeaux- Yes I totally agree Katy has one of the easiest roads to state and region 3 is extremely weak compared to 1 and 2, but if you even try to say they don't belong among the state's top programs, then you are ignorant. Katy might not have the same exact success it has right now if they were in that region, but I gurantee you they'd still be a powerhouse.

I am amazed how much we know are choose to remember. You label Katy a powerhouse while denouncing Longview. Katy has beaten Longview once and that makes them a powerhouse in front of Longview. Well history shows over the last four years Longview has flown the Texas banner and beaten a national ranked team three straight years. This is why Longview is a powerhouse. Like Katy, Evangel has one victory over Longview, should we make them a powerhouse as well, even though Longview has beaten them three straight times since. One victory doesn't make you a power house. I agree Katy has two titles and that makes them somewhat legit but you can't say one win over Longview means they should be ahead of a program that yearly competes in the post season. You look at the top five teams in the playoffs and I am sure Longview is on that page.

[dragonsdaddy]

top five teams in po's? to what time frame are you referring, and are you talking number of trips into the po's or total wins?

[The Dude]

Wow, you have got to be kidding me. PLEASE tell me you're not serious myround. I may be wrong, so please correct me if I am, but what I am getting out of your posts is that Katy doesn't belong amongts the top teams and Longview has more of a right than Katy does. If you SERIOUSLY believe that, you have got to be the most biased, know nothing outside of longview, football fan I've ever seen. If you think I'm putting Katy ahead of longview because of that one win back in '97..you are just plain ignorant to the facts. I put Katy ahead of Longview because of their 4 state titles(you saying Katy has 2, shows how little you know), because of their 7 state finalists, because of their 8 semi-finalists and their 9 quarterfinalists. They are #3 all time with their 5A state playoff record. Their #2 in wins in the last 10 years in ALL classes behind the vaunted Celina also makes them more qualified than Longview. You got nothing on Katy so don't even try to say you are more deserving as being noted a powerhouse than Katy is. Longview is a good team, heck a great team, but yet to be considered among the elite in terms of powerhouse programs. And just so you know..Evangel is nowhere near the powerhouse it once was.

[Mad Hatter]

Wow, you have got to be kidding me. PLEASE tell me you're not serious myround. I may be wrong, so please correct me if I am, but what I am getting out of your posts is that Katy doesn't belong amongts the top teams and Longview has more of a right than Katy does. If you SERIOUSLY believe that, you have got to be the most biased, know nothing outside of longview, football fan I've ever seen. If you think I'm putting Katy ahead of longview because of that one win back in '97..you are just plain ignorant to the facts. I put Katy ahead of Longview because of their 4 state titles(you saying Katy has 2, shows how little you know), because of their 7 state finalists, because of their 8 semi-finalists and their 9 quarterfinalists. They are #3 all time with their 5A state playoff record. Their #2 in wins in the last 10 years in ALL classes behind the vaunted Celina also makes them more qualified than Longview. You got nothing on Katy so don't even try to say you are more deserving as being noted a powerhouse than Katy is. Longview is a good team, heck a great team, but yet to be considered among the elite in terms of powerhouse programs. And just so you know..Evangel is nowhere near the powerhouse it once was.

dont fret dude some poeple just dont know what there talking about lol... good post :)

[Mr.LoBeaux]

:mad: Yeah, whatever! Katy, has basically a cottonroad through the playoffs EVERY year with those MEDIOCRE teams and terrible records. Like I say, come to regions I & II and then look at your success rate!!! :eek: Oooh Wee!!!

[Tigergranny 98]

If you are still crying over a game that happened almost 8 years ago, you really should think about getting a life...

[Mr.LoBeaux]

who in the hell are you talking to???

[pack0808]

i am amazed of the kt brother's restraint when it comes to their team in katy. you guys have a lot more self control then i will ever have. lol if i was a katy fan i would have blown a fuse when somebody said they were not a powerhouse. katy defines the term powerhouse in their accomplishment's. anybody with any knowledge of hs football would realize that. if katy is not a powerhouse then there not such a term. just like ddaddy said.

[The Dude]

It's ok, let them think what they want. With comments such as those, Mr Lobeaux and Myround only show their lack of true knowledge, their bias thoughts, and they definently have lost all credibility to anything they'll say in the future.


Wow, I really lost all respect for you Lobeaux after responding to an eldery woman (tigergranny) with "who in the hell are you talking to???" I'm sure your mother would be proud.

[myround0]

It's ok, let them think what they want. With comments such as those, Mr Lobeaux and Myround only show their lack of true knowledge, their bias thoughts, and they definently have lost all credibility to anything they'll say in the future.


Wow, I really lost all respect for you Lobeaux after responding to an eldery woman (tigergranny) with "who in the hell are you talking to???" I'm sure your mother would be proud.


Actually I would class Katy as a powerhouse, Like I stated, but not because they beat Longview once, however, it is because they have two title, you said they have four. So we agree Katy is legit, but not SV. I would not put SV in that category. Like it or not someone from the Austin/Houston area has the play the Dallas/West Texas champ. And because of the creme puffs down there, you usually get Katy or SV. SV have not now, nor ever, won a 5A title, until they do they would never be placed in front of Longview. It is ashame the bottom half of the bracket refuse to take Lufkin in, although Lufkin plays in the Houston area during the regular season. Bottom line is this, your beloved SV who you stated you would rank ahead of Longview has done nothing. They made two finals and lost, Longview made a final and lost. Big backflipping jump off the empire state building deal, Longview has a title. Again I ask what has SV done.

[ktCarl]

:mad: Yeah, whatever! Katy, has basically a cottonroad through the playoffs EVERY year with those MEDIOCRE teams and terrible records. Like I say, come to regions I & II and then look at your success rate!!! :eek: Oooh Wee!!!

Hey, wait a minute!!!! Cottonroad?! I think you have insulted the San Antonio area schools more than Katy. Katy respects ALL the teams they face. In '97 all the Katy faithful thought Eisenhower was the best team they faced in Div 1. Eisenhower wasn't a pushover. If they had beaten Katy they would have taken down Longview that year. Ike was certainly a tougher opponent than Longview that year.

[dragonsdaddy]

was lviews title a city or a country title? is there anyone on here who was born when they gathered in the hardware? it's great that the trophy is in your case, but please don't use it as an argument for powerhouseness. austin reagan won several titles back in the day, but they don't fall into the ph category based on that either. btw, l-view would be a powerhouse in my book as they could have beaten most any recent state champions if things fell right for them, and no one would choose to play them if they could pick a lesser team. no one but lp that is.

[Mr.LoBeaux]

:mad: Say, "Boy"!!!!, let me tell you something. First of all, I EXCLUDED Katy from my list because "The Dude" first excluded Longview. Now whats good for the gander is good for the goose! I'm not going to sit on here and let someone take shots at my alma-matta because they want to be in East Texas! :D All that I ask, is that you don't consume so much hater-ade! And, another thing I was talking to you and the so call gay dude. Now!

[The Dude]

It amazes me how both Lobeaux and myround changed their stances on what they were saying earlier now that they were proven wrong. Myround goes from saying Katy doesn't deserve to be a powerhouse and they are only "somewhat legit" with 2 titles to saying they are a powerhouse because they have 2 titles :confused: ...and again I will tell you Katy has 4 state titles not 2. "SV have not now, nor ever, won a 5A title" - Well considering the fact they've only been in 5A for 3 years, that "ever" isn't very long. And since they've been to the big show 2 of those 3 years,and came within 3 points of beating almighty Southlake, they are more qualified as a state power than longview in recent years. Oh, and just so you know, Longview has never won a 5A title either, I'm pretty sure they weren't 5A state champs way back in 1937, was anyone here actually alive then?? Waco won 4 state championships back in the 20s, and they do alright still now-a-days, and I guess since they have those 4 titles from the 20s, then they are a powerhouse right? Abilene has championships from the 20s,30s,and 50s and they still do well now a days. They have many more titles than Longview's one back in 37, so I guess they can be a power house too. Open your eyes to outside longview, I know you want to support your school and I'm all for that, but c'mon man don't be ignorant. And Lobeaux goes from saying Katy would never be the program it is if they were in region 1 or 2 and they are overrated bla bla bla to defending himself by saying all he did was exclude Katy from his list because I excluded his precious team from mine. When was that EVER an argument? And how were you talking to me with your "who in the hell are you talking to" comment if the only post between that one and your closest one to it was by tigergranny. Don't be a coward, if you're going to say something man up to it.

"the so call gay dude" Wow..you're good

[Mad Hatter]

:mad: Say, "Boy"!!!!, let me tell you something. First of all, I EXCLUDED Katy from my list because "The Dude" first excluded Longview. Now whats good for the gander is good for the goose! I'm not going to sit on here and let someone take shots at my alma-matta because they want to be in East Texas! :D All that I ask, is that you don't consume so much hater-ade! And, another thing I was talking to you and the so call gay dude. Now!

wow... i dont think that hater-ade should ever be used ever agin it really tends to lower ones IQ.

anyways... Sv might not have a state title but they sure have been there alot recently i think something like 3 out of the last 5 years they have been to a title game in both 4A and 5A or maybe its 4 out of 5 im really not sure. The point is SV is knocking on the door while longview is still down the hall around the corner. Eventually Sv is going to get a state title. TO be honest i dont see Longview getting anywhere close soon. Im not dissing Longview im just stating my opinion. I hope that you guys do get there , who knows maybe it will be you and SV going at it wouldnt that be nice. its all to be seen.

[pack0808]

katy is a big powerhouse, sv is a powerhouse, and longview is powerhouse capable of beating anybody. you do not need a bunch of hardware to be considered a powerhouse in my book. almost everybody considers lufkin a powerhouse and they have 1 title. by the way, that is a good question?? why is lufkin not in region 3 since they play in a houston district??

[PackAttack2005]

The reason 14-5A is in Region II is the fact the UIL divides 5A into 8 districts in each region. They already have eight 5A districts in Region III. That all may change in 2006.

[pack0808]

thanks for the clarification.

[myround0]

A big ole fat glass of HATER-AID being served up in here. Facts are facts and right now SV is more like the Buffalo Bills. Saying you made it the title game four times eventually they will win one. SHOW ME. Show me one super bowl trophy in Buffalo's case. I could care less how long ago the trophy was, if winning the title is your defination of powerhouse. Put the Lobos down. and like someone stated Tyelr Lee just picked up their first piece of glass, and Lufkin put their hands around some hardware about four years ago. Matter of fact John tyler has some glass as well. No doubt Longview fans are ready for another title, but the point made is this. If titles are your benchmark of a powerhouse, just for the record my defination would be someone who plays great ball every year and is a threat to go all the way, until SV (A.K.A. the Buffalo Bills or Minnesota Vikings of the 5A class) wins a title they are out. By default someone from down south has to play the title game and since you guys don't include Lufkin it is kind of already a given either Katy or SV will come from that region. And you should go to the Longview's page and see who we played in 37.

[The Dude]

You played Witchita Falls for the 1937 state title..whats your point they haven't done anything since the 60s. A state championship in RECENT memory is my argument for RECENT powerhouses. Again I will say, Longview is a great team and they can compete with anyone on most days, but untill you have hardware(not from before anyone on this board was even alive) then you cannot make an argument for being one of the RECENT ELITE teams in Texas. SV has atleast made it to the big show 2 of their 3 years and I had to add one more team so might as well be someone who's actually been there. You have no argument give up because I'm done with you.

[pack0808]

hey myround0, please kill the haterade comment it is becoming painful. pretty soon you are going to use another old played out saying by telling people to take a chill pill, or that was dope, or even peace out. ;) so i will end this post by saying word to your mother dog :)

[PACK '97]

I am amazed how much we know are choose to remember. You label Katy a powerhouse while denouncing Longview. Katy has beaten Longview once and that makes them a powerhouse in front of Longview. Well history shows over the last four years Longview has flown the Texas banner and beaten a national ranked team three straight years. This is why Longview is a powerhouse. Like Katy, Evangel has one victory over Longview, should we make them a powerhouse as well, even though Longview has beaten them three straight times since. One victory doesn't make you a power house. I agree Katy has two titles and that makes them somewhat legit but you can't say one win over Longview means they should be ahead of a program that yearly competes in the post season. You look at the top five teams in the playoffs and I am sure Longview is on that page.


what about 9 victories in a row....does that mean we are a powerhouse and you are not?

[78 Spartan]

Howdy everybody. I know I am new here to this board, but hardly a novice on the topic of Texas football history.

Here's my fantasy "6A Conference". Not necessarily saying these are the best teams in 2005, but consistency over the past ten years is what I focused on.

Abilene High
Midland Lee
Southlake Carroll
Denton Ryan
Tyler Lee
Lufkin
North Shore
Katy
Austin Westlake
Smithson Valley

These guys could generate a television contract that would pay for the travel costs. Imagine it! One of these days it will happen.

[Mad Hatter]

looks good i wouldadd 1 more but thats not the point...

[bleedgreen]

can't we all get along??? everybody has their OWN opinions. ok, Longview is the greatest, SV is the greatest, Katy is the greatest--is everyone happy, now??? i will say a few things, though......as for "Longview being down the hall around the corner", yea, you're right....but we will be right there around the corner every year consistantly hoping to win that elusive state title. maybe it will happen, maybe it won't.....but, we will play anybody, any given day of the week and you will definitely know that you were in a dogfight--i assure you that......as for the person who said that Evangel wasn't the team any more that they used to be---you're exactly right!! their demise started when they took that first butt whooping to the hands of Longview. up until that time, no one was saying that crap! well, maybe that win was a fluke for Longview. then it happened again, and again, and again. then all of sudden, they were no longer the "powerhouse" that they used to be....well, hell no they are not. BUT, noone else could do it UNTIL we did!! give me a break with that lame excuse of evangel not being the team that they once were...they had to have their butts handed to them some time. just so happens---we handed it to them on a silver platter!! i sure as hell didn't see anyone in that district of yours jumping to play Evangel...now, everyone wants a piece of them...jumping on the bandwagon, maybe???? and last but not least, pack 97-----keep talking that 9 in a row crap....you may be eating crow sooner than you think......................as for Katy, they are a great team with a great tradition and could compete in any district in this nation. SV the same.............

[pack0808]

bleed, we as lufkin fans do not want to say 9 in a row anymore!! we want to say 10 in a row. 10, a double digit number sounds so much better and more impressive. ;)

[c-lisle]

bleed, we as lufkin fans do not want to say 9 in a row anymore!! we want to say 10 in a row. 10, a double digit number sounds so much better and more impressive. ;)

Impressive like Longview's record of 13-2-3 over Lufkin from 1980-1998.

[pack0808]

oh lord!! at least when we brag on our streak it is current and not going back 25 years ago in 1980. lol i was just picking on my boy bleed by the way like he does me and you did not have to come up with your 1980's accomplishments. :rolleyes: by the way rclise, has longview ever won 9 in a row vs lufkin in their history?? i seriously doubt it?? this has to be the biggest streak between the 2.

[bleedgreen]

pack0808---that hurt brother--LOL.........even though the streak is against us, you definitely have to be impressed with 9 in a row......all Longview fans---i know that you are loyal to the Lobos just as i am, BUT, going back to the past doesn't help our case for the present time----they've got bragging rights as of right now, no doubt about that......at least it is a team from our old district and from EAST TEXAS that has our number.....if that makes it easier to digest????? works for me..................................

[c-lisle]

oh lord!! at least when we brag on our streak it is current and not going back 25 years ago in 1980. lol i was just picking on my boy bleed by the way like he does me and you did not have to come up with your 1980's accomplishments. :rolleyes: by the way rclise, has longview ever won 9 in a row vs lufkin in their history?? i seriously doubt it?? this has to be the biggest streak between the 2.

Oh, ok so let's just drop the past then. No difference if it was yesterday, a year, or 20 years the past is the past right? Lufkin's streak is in the past also. Longview fans can't pick on LP fans pack0808? If you continue to bring up your streak, I will continue to bring up Longview's streak. It is how us Longview fans hang on to our dignity. LOL

[pack0808]

there is a difference when you are talking recent past to talking way in the past. yes all the past counts and we should hold onto it or there would be no such term as a powerhouse if you did not count the past. but in 2005 i would rather having bragging rights about 99-04 instead of 80-98 but that is just me. ;)

[THSRamos48]

a doable district, travel wise would be d-ryan, slc, carter, garland, allen, a-lamar, duncanville, mansfield summit, and trinity. the winner would be well tested but beat up too bad to contend in december,


I agree with you it makes since we are all in the same area and all power houses in the state it would be a very tough district and it wouldnt be a blowout by any team in the district where as the district champs would only have a one win margine between them and runner-up.

[myround0]

I am amazed. Hypocrites, talk about the past to support their claims, but omit the past when it supports others. I am amazed. 1937 is located in the same place as July 14 2005, in the past, what is the difference. Longview has one state title and you can find that title right where the first state title for power house Lufkin who just won a title in 2001. As long as they have played 5A football they finally got one in 2001, in the past, just like the title Tyler Lee has which is their first. Even john Tyler has a title, Where is the title powerhouse SV has, my bad, haven't got one yet
got a bunch of runner-up certificates. Second places in a boxing match means you got beat. Same thing applies in football. SouthLake Carroll called, said they have both your titles, take it up with them

[chhspantherfan]

somethings never change. :)

[cougmantx]

somethings never change. :)


...just some of the names...:rofl:

[chhspantherfan]

...just some of the names...:rofl:

amazing isn't it....I have developed a method for fishing these out. my only worry is that I am missing the really good ones. :D

[Knight Night]

steele
judson
smithson valley
lake travis
reagan