If you can have any one of these 3 coaches, which one would you pick? [Archive]

LP-79

06-24-2009, 09:34 PM

I like John Outlaw. He has been a winner everywhere he has coached. He still has record for most wins at Sherman if I am not mistaken. In Arkansas he is a legend. The gym at the school he coached at ( For the life of me I can't remember ) is named after him. I have always heard he won his first State championship there with hardly any help except his wife. Not sure if that is true but makes a great story. Plus the local newspaper there ran a story last year that said if he came back and wanted it he could get elected mayor. Plus everybody knows what he has accomplished at Lufkin. I know that coaches get to much credit for wins but he always says the kids win the games but he is responsible for the loses. Some people do not like his openess on telling it like he sees it but I find it refreshing in the political correctness times we are in.

33Blood

06-24-2009, 09:39 PM

If you are saying right now it would be Dodge. But give me Lineweaver if he is younger.

Trinity Trojan Fan For Li

06-24-2009, 10:03 PM

Homer vote for Coach Steve Lineweaver.
I've watched what he has accomplished at Trinity and in the community.

LP-79

06-24-2009, 10:06 PM

Homer vote for Coach Steve Lineweaver.
I've watched what he has accomplished at Trinity and in the community.

From what I have seen and read Lineweaver is the perfect coach for Trinity. Not sure if a different kind of coach would have as much success as him.

The King

06-24-2009, 10:16 PM

Coach J the 2nd hands down.

Wypirates03

06-24-2009, 10:17 PM

I'm a fan of the spread offense, so give me Todd Dodge. He ran the spread better than anyone.

Joseph would be 2nd on my list. He's not much of a risk taker, but he can teach fundamentals! Minimal mistakes in a pro style offense can be cool to watch on ocassion. :)

DrEdward

06-24-2009, 10:27 PM

When we did have a choice, Carroll picked Dodge. With the talent he had to work with, there was no offense in the state that was more fun to watch than the Dragons. The defense wasn't too shaby either.

But then I was also a huge fan of Lineweaver as far back as the early 90s when he was directing the multibone offense.

Cannot argue with Joseph's success either, so I am at a loss as to a choice among these three. I guess I'll go with Dodge, assuming the program has the sort of athletic talent to go with his offense.

DiamondJ2

06-24-2009, 10:29 PM

DW Rutledge

Plano Wildcat Fan

06-24-2009, 10:53 PM

Their wasn't a better X's & O's game planner than Coach Tom Kimbrough. No questions asked.

jrp83

06-24-2009, 11:11 PM

All great coaches listed there! Although I would go with D.W. Rutledge, and not because I played for him and know him personally. But because he is an outstanding coach and an even more outstanding person.

Go Rockets!!

Bass

06-24-2009, 11:21 PM

Assuming we're not supposed to pick our own coach, I'd say Lineweaver.

slcdragonfan

06-24-2009, 11:22 PM

I'm sitting fat and happy with any of those three.:notworthy

LPack007

06-24-2009, 11:22 PM

Coach Outlaw.

RRSP1

06-24-2009, 11:23 PM

RRSP's Craig Chessher. He has persevered through great professional and personal difficulties, nearly lost his life along the way, and still stuck with the program. Old school stuff still works.

mojo4life

06-25-2009, 12:05 AM

Mr. Gary Gains

Otis Campbell

06-25-2009, 01:25 AM

Sam Harrell.
Took a team that was completely downtrodden(barely 40 kids in the program at the 4a high school, 9-12) when he got there and a town that all but dead and revitalized both.

Bill4par

06-25-2009, 07:08 AM

All great coaches for sure....

Westerberg
Joe Martin
McGuire
Lineweaver
RRSTP coach ?

Kat-na-hat

06-25-2009, 07:09 AM

All winners......but move them out of their element and start a new program, like Dodge. Would Dodge be more successful if he had taken a job at Houston instead of NT? or for any coach who moves from one level to another. There's a Florida Gator coach that comes to mind....

Bill4par

06-25-2009, 07:23 AM

KAT NA HAT....the one common component, both HS and major college are the programs. Plug N Play. At Florida for example you have Givem' hell Pell ( Charlie Pell, Spurrier, and now Urban) Bill4par aka Gator4ever:notworthy

Kat-na-hat

06-25-2009, 07:59 AM

E-Vol-ution

06-25-2009, 08:07 AM

We'll keep Coach Perry.........thanks.

Bro. Malcolm X

06-25-2009, 08:32 AM

Giving All Honor and Praise to God the Father. I thank HIM for his Grace. I thank HIM for his Mercy. I thank HIM for sending Jesus, the Perfect, into the world.

GARY JOSEPH :notworthy

"When excellence becomes tradition, greatness has no limits."
http://katyathleticboosterclub.org/tiger3Dwhite2.jpg

"Excellence is perfection. We try to make sure that our kids are as well-coached as they need to be. They have to understand what we are doing to understand what we want. They need to understand not what they're doing just at their positions, but at all positions. That is striving for perfection, but that is also being excellent."- Gary Joseph

SLC93

06-25-2009, 08:34 AM

I took Lineweaver. Though I will admit to a bias, he's just better than the other two, in my opinion. That's a bold statement considering the company we're discussing but his resume is superior and unique in comparison. Lineweaver has been the head coach at a program for nearly two decades now. In both cases he took nice programs to elite levels and sustained them. He did this in two different classes and with two demographics that couldn't be any more different. All due respect to Dodge but I have to judge to whole resume and his is a little too short here. With Joseph, he took an elite program and sustained it. I'll give you he's bumped it up a bit but Katy was built to last by his predecessor. He learned the blue print and tweaked it to better suit his vision. Taking into account their time they spent as assistants I would rank them like this.

1) Lineweaver - unique to the group, built two powers on his own, contributed to another as assistant
2) Joseph - taken an elite program to another level, legendary as an assistant, teams do not typically have benefit of many DI players
3) Dodge - revived a winner creating perhaps the greatest 5 year run in the history of Texas football history, resume too short, benefitted from incredible talent levels, not a lifer for the hs level

* the last part of Dodge's summary is key for me. At the hs level I want a uy that is committed to be around for awhile. Dodge wants to be on the college level and always has. There is nothing wrong with that. We certainly benefitted from his ambition. That said hs is all about consistency and nowhere does great coaching account for as much impact as on this level. I wouldn't want to be holding my breath every offseason with Dodge.

How about this dream staff?

HC - Lineweaver
OC - Dodge
DC - Joseph

They could coach the Millsap School for Blind and Troubled Youth to a 100 game winning streak.:D

Maroondog

06-25-2009, 08:45 AM

If I HAD to pick one of the three, I'd draw straws and be perfectly happy.

Agdadx5

06-25-2009, 08:50 AM

Gary Joesph is hands down the best defensive mind in Texas HS football today.

SLC93

06-25-2009, 08:53 AM

Gary Joesph is hands down the best defensive mind in Texas HS football today.

I don't know about hands down but he's clearly the best out there.

dragonpants

06-25-2009, 08:56 AM

Sam Harrell.
Took a team that was completely downtrodden(barely 40 kids in the program at the 4a high school, 9-12) when he got there and a town that all but dead and revitalized both.

This.

slcdragonfan

06-25-2009, 09:00 AM

Helps to have Graham Harrell as your son.;)

SLC93

06-25-2009, 09:03 AM

Helps to have Graham Harrell as your son.;)

:D Ennis has continued to be a fine program but their dominance was tied to junior's right arm, huh? For the record, Harrell is awesome.

E-Vol-ution

06-25-2009, 09:03 AM

I hear he has a quarterback again and has learned to deal with MS. Harrell will be a legend before it's all over.......
Sam Harrell.
Took a team that was completely downtrodden(barely 40 kids in the program at the 4a high school, 9-12) when he got there and a town that all but dead and revitalized both.

slcdragonfan

06-25-2009, 09:20 AM

:D Ennis has continued to be a fine program but their dominance was tied to junior's right arm, huh? For the record, Harrell is awesome.

What I meant was that having talent like that helps get the interest going, it is up to the coach to keep it going and he has done that. No disrespect intended.

SLC93

06-25-2009, 09:26 AM

What I meant was that having talent like that helps get the interest going, it is up to the coach to keep it going and he has done that. No disrespect intended.

I didn't mean to imply anything. Your original post was fine.

Pool Man

06-25-2009, 09:30 AM

Why can't we just have Lineweaver as the head coach, Dodge as the OC and Joseph as the DC. :eek:

dragonsdaddy

06-25-2009, 09:34 AM

Their wasn't a better X's & O's game planner than Coach Tom Kimbrough. No questions asked.

????? how about his mentor, john clark???? i'd take him in his prime, any day.

Pool Man

06-25-2009, 09:37 AM

Why can't we just have Lineweaver as the head coach, Dodge as the OC and Joseph as the DC. :eek:

I mean as long as I don't have to do the haka, I would be cool with that.

CCCSportsFan

06-25-2009, 09:38 AM

How nice would it be if these 3 guys were the finalist's for your HC job! I have to go with the homer pick of TD and mainly because I saw his work first hand.

Coaches Flores and Brazile are guys who could be in the finalist mix too.

Bro. Malcolm X

06-25-2009, 09:41 AM

Giving All Honor and Praise to God the Father. I thank HIM for his Grace. I thank HIM for his Mercy. I thank HIM for sending Jesus, the Perfect, into the world.

Coach Harrell has done GREAT things in Ennis Texas. May God the Father continue to BLESS him with strength, health, and success. :notworthy

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Harrell said MS affects everyone differently and he is taking medication for it. He said his balance, coordination and mobility have been affected. "Heat is really a big factor in it. When you get hot, your mobility and coordination decreases, and most days I'm going to get up and get hot," Harrell said. "It has continued to get worse, and I thought it was time to disclose it and make sure people understood why I couldn't do some things that you should be able to do, like get outside and show them how to run routes. But coaching isn't about demonstrating, it's about teaching, so I just don't worry about demonstrating." Harrell said that on hot days at practice the last few years, he coached from a golf cart. "Now I'll be in a golf cart every day and not just on the really hot days," Harrell said. Harrell said he didn't tell anyone about his condition for four years because "at first, it was something that would kind of come and go. I thought maybe it'd keep going instead of coming. You look fine and do fine, so I thought it was something I could handle on my own and not make a big deal out of it."

Favpack

06-25-2009, 09:45 AM

E-Vol-ution

06-25-2009, 09:46 AM

Moss out there at Rockwall Heath will be a great one too.

Wypirates03

06-25-2009, 10:18 AM

All I know... is if I was Sam, I'd have a kid every 3 years my whole life. Well, from about age 20 or so.

SLC93

06-25-2009, 11:10 AM

Why can't we just have Lineweaver as the head coach, Dodge as the OC and Joseph as the DC. :eek:

See the end of post 24.:D

SLC93

06-25-2009, 11:19 AM

Hard to go wrong with any of the three. The real question you ask is -- if this coach came to my school how would they do? I think from the three noted, I'd rank them as:

1a - Coach Joseph
1b - Coach Dodge
2 - Coach Lineweaver

All are great. I give Coach Lineweaver credit for being a big time winner at Commerce and ET, whereas Coach Dodge struggled a bit before and after SLC. Coach Joseph is probably the "best" coach right now - he's on an incredible roll that won't end soon.

That's a flawed conclusion, given the question and the available data on the three coaches. Joseph has never been anywhere else. We have no idea how he would transition to a new school. Dodge was a several low level programs but never stayed anywhere long enough to show real impact. He impacted exactly one program and that one was a napping giant with alot of history. Lineweaver has gone to two programs located in two entirely different demographics and built championship level programs. He's the only known in this this equation.

For the record, all of these guys would have no issue going elsewhere. They're the best of the best. I'm just making conversation and pointing out a perceived discrepancy.

Fleeman93

06-25-2009, 11:32 AM

That's a flawed conclusion, given the question and the available data on the three coaches. Joseph has never been anywhere else. We have no idea how he would transition to a new school. Dodge was a several low level programs but never stayed anywhere long enough to show real impact. He impacted exactly one program and that one was a napping giant with alot of history. Lineweaver has gone to two programs located in two entirely different demographics and built championship level programs. He's the only known in this this equation.

For the record, all of these guys would have no issue going elsewhere. They're the best of the best. I'm just making conversation and pointing out a perceived discrepancy.

So you are saying Coach Joseph's loyalty to his program should hold a lot of water in the conversation?

:)

SLC93

06-25-2009, 11:36 AM

So you are saying Coach Joseph's loyalty to his program should hold a lot of water in the conversation?

:)

Oh, no. He actually gets points for that, as does Lineweaver, when I made my decision. As it applies, specifically, to the question Fav posed though I cannot rank Joseph or Dodge ahead of Lineweaver because they haven't done it.

E-Vol-ution

06-25-2009, 11:36 AM

Fleeman93

06-25-2009, 11:41 AM

Coach Joseph had more than school loyalty going for him.......if the program was crap do you think he would have wanted to inherit that or spread his wings? To coach Katy is a "sought after" scenario.

I hear you but the thing that most people outside of Katy don't get is that Coach Joseph is every bit as responsible for Katy being Katy as Coach Johnston is and Coach Johnston would be the first one to tell you that (he has been quoted as saying so many times).

I can't give an honest answer on this because my head and heart are both loyal to Katy but you do know what they say, defense wins championships.

:D

E-Vol-ution

06-25-2009, 11:44 AM

So true.......and a little bit of Andre Dean can never hurt you.......:notworthy
Johnston built the monster.........Joseph taught him more tricks and keeps him well fed.
I hear you but the thing that most people outside of Katy don't get is that Coach Joseph is every bit as responsible for Katy being Katy as Coach Johnston is and Coach Johnston would be the first one to tell you that (he has been quoted as saying so many times).

I can't give an honest answer on this because my head and heart are both loyal to Katy but you do know what they say, defense wins championships.

:D

Fleeman93

06-25-2009, 11:47 AM

So true.......and a little bit of Andre Dean can never hurt you.......:notworthy
Johnston built the monster.........Joseph taught him more tricks and keeps him well fed.

You have to understand that Coach Joseph was there from the the get go with Coach Johnston every step of the way through the good times and bad so he did in fact help build the program. I will give you that Dean and his teammates in 2007 made winning the championship a lot easier but you have to give me what Coach Joseph did with that team last year.

;)

adcwalker

06-25-2009, 11:50 AM

What about Gordon Wood?

I know he has passed but the man was a heck of a coach.

SLC93

06-25-2009, 11:50 AM

I hear you but the thing that most people outside of Katy don't get is that Coach Joseph is every bit as responsible for Katy being Katy as Coach Johnston is and Coach Johnston would be the first one to tell you that (he has been quoted as saying so many times).

I can't give an honest answer on this because my head and heart are both loyal to Katy but you do know what they say, defense wins championships.

:D

I don't doubt that at all. The fact remains, though, he wasn't the head coach who laid the foundation. Bob Ledbetter would tell you the same thing about Lineweaver at Carroll so that may be a draw. Like you said, it's a tough call. I rated Joseph second to Linweaver but who knows?

cougmantx

06-25-2009, 12:00 PM

I mean as long as I don't have to do the haka, I would be cool with that.

I think doing the Haka would be cool...!

cougmantx

06-25-2009, 12:06 PM

That's a flawed conclusion, given the question and the available data on the three coaches. Joseph has never been anywhere else. We have no idea how he would transition to a new school. Dodge was a several low level programs but never stayed anywhere long enough to show real impact. He impacted exactly one program and that one was a napping giant with alot of history. Lineweaver has gone to two programs located in two entirely different demographics and built championship level programs. He's the only known in this this equation.

For the record, all of these guys would have no issue going elsewhere. They're the best of the best. I'm just making conversation and pointing out a perceived discrepancy.

Just continuing the conversation, Coach Joseph did coach at Lake Travis or Westlake in Austin. Can't remember which one. I think he also coached at one other place and then came to Katy.

If I couldn't have Joseph, I would take Lineweaver. Dodge was/is great but I don't like the spread as much as I like watching good ole smash mouth football. Lineweaver understands smash mouth...he would get my vote if not taking the homer vote with Joseph.

E-Vol-ution

06-25-2009, 12:10 PM

Don't get me wrong.......Joseph should be in this discussion.:notworthyYou have to understand that Coach Joseph was there from the the get go with Coach Johnston every step of the way through the good times and bad so he did in fact help build the program. I will give you that Dean and his teammates in 2007 made winning the championship a lot easier but you have to give me what Coach Joseph did with that team last year.

;)

SLC93

06-25-2009, 12:22 PM

Just continuing the conversation, Coach Joseph did coach at Lake Travis or Westlake in Austin. Can't remember which one. I think he also coached at one other place and then came to Katy.

If I couldn't have Joseph, I would take Lineweaver. Dodge was/is great but I don't like the spread as much as I like watching good ole smash mouth football. Lineweaver understands smash mouth...he would get my vote if not taking the homer vote with Joseph.

Right but that's my point and the same thing I ding Dodge for. Neither of them have the track record Lineweaver does. When he's gone somewhere he wins titles. Carroll, Commerce & Trinity all have Lineweaver's DNA in them. He didn't do it all at Carroll but he did at Commerce and Trinity. His resume is more complete, more impressive, imo.

I ranked Joseph second to Lineweaver, leaving Dodge in third for other reasons. I've got spread saturation disease, too, but Dodge's spread with him calling the plays I could never get tired of. Thing of beauty and that's coming from a multibone guy.

Hitman49

06-25-2009, 12:24 PM

Otis Campbell

06-25-2009, 12:42 PM

Helps to have Graham Harrell as your son.;)

Harrell has won 3 state championships, and only one had Graham at QB.

wingnut

06-25-2009, 01:13 PM

You can't go wrong with either of these 3. I would take Line's because I know him ,and I live in Euless. All 3 of these amazing coaches records are stellar. We''ll see Line's work this season with the rebuilding job that lies ahead. I'm in the drooling mode for the season to get started to see what kind of job he'll do with this years young team. HAKAAAAAAAAAAA!!:D:D:D

dragonpants

06-25-2009, 01:35 PM

Well since we are not sticking to three mentioned and we can throw college guys in that have Texas HS experience then I vote for Art Briles. The spread in Texas regardless of which story you want to believe and there are tons that think Todd Dodge is the Godfather of the spread, is Coach Briles. What he did at Stephenville was amazing.
After that I am Sam Harrell all the way.

If we are sticking to the three that is in the original vote than I am going with TD. I like the spread and do not know if either of the other 2 could do it nearly as well. Yes Todd was blessed with talent but he created much of that. How many teams do you see yearly that are incredibly gifted physically and continue to be mediocre. A great coach can take a mediocre team in terms of athleticism and make them a great team.

farmerfan

06-25-2009, 01:57 PM

Harrell has won 3 state championships, and only one had Graham at QB. One was the year before he took the reins, and the other was the year after he graduated.
I grew up in the area, and that program had sunken to depths beyond belief when he took it over. The year before Sam took over, Ennis didn't even field a JV, just a freshman and varsity. The job he's done there is absolutely amazing.

Right you are Mr Otis. Tate Wallis led Ennis to a state title in 00 and Graham led them in 01 as a sophomore. It helped Graham to have some receivers like Vincent Marshall and Broderick Jones. IMO the best QB I have seen come through Ennis was O'Neil Peterson back in 99. He led them to the semis and they lost a heart breaker to Stephenville by 3 points that year. Stephenville went 16-0 and easily won state over PNG the following week.
Graham was QB in 02 when Ennis let a double digit lead slip away in the final 2-3 mins against Denton Ryan. That is a game I would have to question the play calling of Ennis, they had two different series of 1st and goal starting around the 7-8 yard line and they ran 8 straight QB draws that Ryan stuffed. In 03 Graham was a senior and led a very very good Ennis team out to a 12-0 record before being upset by sophomore Matt Stafford and HP in the third round. That Ennis offense was incredible that year.

Matthew 2000 Eagle

06-25-2009, 01:58 PM

I'd play for all 3!

But, I'd also love to have Leo Brittain, Bob Ledbetter, Ronnie Gage, Allen Wilson, Tim Buchanan, and when he was at his best, Quinton Robinson.

Sorry folks! My age may not say it but, I'm old school!:D

rocketgrl94

06-25-2009, 02:52 PM

DW Rutledge

i 2nd this:notworthy

Otis Campbell

06-25-2009, 03:19 PM

I think we've left one off the list; Terry Cron, only coach to win state championships in 3 different classifications. Id love to have seen what he could have done at Timberview with another 5-6 years.

mojotrain

06-25-2009, 03:25 PM

This looks like the start of a prettiest uniform contest. Have-em vote for coachs excluding their own. That will tell you something beyond who has the most posters on this board. That is, if you really want to know.

Fleeman93

06-25-2009, 03:30 PM

If I couldn't pick Joseph then out of the three I would take Dodge. His teams were detail oriented with near flawless execution and it was a thing of beauty to watch.

farmerfan

06-25-2009, 06:15 PM

That class of 2002 had been undefeated collectively since 7th grade. The truly remarkable thing about what Sam did in Ennis is the shape the town was in. Gangs and drugs had all but taken over that town. Dropout rates and teen pregnancy rates were through the roof. He had a HUGE uphill battle.
Sad thing about Oneil Peterson, he went to La Tech, and when they moved him to WR, he quit, and came back to Ennis to work at the roofing shingle plant.
I think we've left one off the list; Terry Cron, only coach to win state championships in 3 different classifications. Id love to have seen what he could have done at Timberview with another 5-6 years.

Terry Cron definitely a good football coach. He had some good ones at La Marque and was able to maintain the program at Commerce when he took over there.
As for Ennis, I have a close friend who grew up in Ennis and very familiar with Ennis football. Knows the Harrells very well. The 04 run to state was an impressive one for Ennis simply because it was an unexpected run to the title. I don't think many outside of Ennis expected it. What Sam has done in Ennis is beyond impressive. It borders on what Briles was able to do when he took over the Stephenville program in the late 80's. The following Ennis has is impressive too. They always bring a crowd to Tx Stadium and many times they would bring more than the local 5A teams would. They are loud and passionate about their Lions too.

farmerfan

06-25-2009, 06:41 PM

All three coaches are great coaches who have cemented their own legacy in Texas HS football history.
If I had to pick one I would go with Lineweaver. To echo what SLC93 has already said about the man, he is one who has been a winner every where he has gone. He has never missed the playoffs as a HC and or a OC on the varsity level. Coach Ledbetter knew he needed some help to finally get over the hump in the 80s and hired a gem when he went over and stole Lineweaver from Trinity. The offenses Lineweaver guided there were very good to great. When Lineweaver left to go over and take the Commerce program he elevated them to one of the finest programs in the 3A ranks by winning a state title and advancing to two more. His record at Trinity speaks for itself. If I wanted somebody to come over to Lewisville and rebuild our programs based on the track record I would go with Lineweaver. You couldn't go wrong with any of the three and more like Brazil, Erwin, Cron, Harrell, JoFlo. But I am a huge Lineweaver fan and he would be my choice. I know that's not shocking to hear though :D

Bottomline

06-25-2009, 07:05 PM

I don't know much about any of the coaches listed but I do know that I couldn't go wrong with Larry Hill from Smithson Valley. He may not have the biggest or fastest players but look at his record ... He's a winner :notworthy

Otis Campbell

06-25-2009, 07:25 PM

Terry Cron definitely a good football coach. He had some good ones at La Marque and was able to maintain the program at Commerce when he took over there.
.

Cron was never at La Marque. He was at Bartlett(1a state championship), Mart(2a state championship), Commerce(3a state championship), and then Timberview.

farmerfan

06-25-2009, 07:34 PM

Cron was never at La Marque. He was at Bartlett(1a state championship), Mart(2a state championship), Commerce(3a state championship), and then Timberview.

Total brain fart on my part. Meant Mart where he was a champ in 99 with John Garrett and the Cosby boys totally dominating an undefeated team in Boyd in the finals at Pennington. Stupid me. Thanks for the correction though

svrangerfan

06-25-2009, 11:17 PM

Give me Larry Hill at Smithson Valley. If I was an AD starting a new program or was looking for a new coach I would talk to him first. He has not won it all yet but he runs a class program and gets the most out of his not always top notch talent.

Bass

06-26-2009, 03:03 AM

How about this dream staff?

HC - Lineweaver
OC - Dodge
DC - Joseph

They could coach the Millsap School for Blind and Troubled Youth to a 100 game winning streak.:D

On offense, give the team Carroll's QBs and receivers, Trinity's o-line, and Katy's backs. Defense: a Katy/Trinity front seven and a Carroll secondary.

Geeze. They'd win 70-0 every week. No fewer than five scores on offense and a guaranteed three scores from special teams and defensive turnovers combined.

#1texasgreat

06-26-2009, 12:08 PM

SV Larry Hill

Fleeman93

06-26-2009, 12:21 PM

I have the highest respect for Coach Hill and SV but after what I saw happen in 2007 I have to have doubts now. NO WAY IN HELL SV should have lost that playoff game to Madison and the loss has to fall squarely on the SV coaching staff. I will say that is the only instance that I could draw any criticism from though.

Favpack

06-26-2009, 03:49 PM

Right but that's my point and the same thing I ding Dodge for. Neither of them have the track record Lineweaver does. When he's gone somewhere he wins titles. Carroll, Commerce & Trinity all have Lineweaver's DNA in them. He didn't do it all at Carroll but he did at Commerce and Trinity. His resume is more complete, more impressive, imo.

I ranked Joseph second to Lineweaver, leaving Dodge in third for other reasons. I've got spread saturation disease, too, but Dodge's spread with him calling the plays I could never get tired of. Thing of beauty and that's coming from a multibone guy.

Reasonable comments. As DD used to say--- he can win with his'n or you'rn - something like that.

The argument for Coach Outlaw will always be that he's won 3 titles with three different programs and made powerhouses out of all three. Do I think these three could be incredibly successful in Lufkin? Absolutely.

From those three for Lufkin - you'd probably pick Coach Dodge simply because he'd leave the D to a master (Coach Quick) and he'd take our spread to levels not seen since 2001-02. Of course, we may get there anyway - who knows.

GameTyme

06-27-2009, 05:31 PM

Gary Joesph is hands down the best defensive mind in Texas HS football today.

Not even close. Give me Lufkin DC Todd Quick. We never have to worry about a defense. Coach Joseph is good but as far as defensive minds he let TWHS hang 47 on him last year while Lufkin and Coach Quick held TWHS to 13. Call it better players on the Panther defense, but one thing is for sure anybody that knows Coach Quick knows exactly what im talkin about. He is without a doubt the Will Muschamp of HS football in Texas. Not to mention Quick is the head coach in waiting for Lufkin also.

AbEagleFan

06-27-2009, 09:48 PM

Well G.A. Moore of course.. :notworthy

Fleeman93

06-27-2009, 11:19 PM

Not even close. Give me Lufkin DC Todd Quick. We never have to worry about a defense. Coach Joseph is good but as far as defensive minds he let TWHS hang 47 on him last year while Lufkin and Coach Quick held TWHS to 13. Call it better players on the Panther defense, but one thing is for sure anybody that knows Coach Quick knows exactly what im talkin about. He is without a doubt the Will Muschamp of HS football in Texas. Not to mention Quick is the head coach in waiting for Lufkin also.

Seriously? If the defense was so good why did he he let Cy Ridge lay 42 on them the week after 6-5 Cy-Ridge held them to 26? Coach Quick can't sniff Coach Joseph's jock.

FYI - Per this site Lufkin gave up 21.3 points per game against the #42 SOS while Katy only gave up 12.3 points per game against the #3 SOS. Crazy right?